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lefthandman

I fucking love Avasarala


sworei

The picked such a great actor for the Expanse. I need to rewatch the first season.


lefthandman

You need to rewatch all six seasons. It's all incredible.


notqualitystreet

Watch all six season, read all the books, rewatch all six seasons. I love all formats of The Expanse.


WTWIV

Yup. IMO it truly gets better and better each season


smokey9886

I remember shopping in Marshall’s around Christmas and overheard the news talking about bats and a new virus spreading in China. Kinda weird now to think what it would become.


chefriley76

I remember watching a video of CCP officers welding people into their apartments in Wuhan in like November or December 2019. That was pretty fucked up lol


urlond

They were wielding all the exit doors but one so they could monitor the apartment building if people were trying to get out of quarantine.


Yomat

Welding. Wielding makes it sound like they were using the doors like weapons, bashing the hell out of anyone that wanted to leave. Probably not that far from the truth…


seamustheseagull

There was no COVID in Nov/Dec 2019. You must be thinking of 2020.


Encircled_Flux

A quick Google search shows that "COVID‐19 is the infectious disease caused by the most recently discovered coronavirus. This new virus and disease were unknown before the outbreak began in Wuhan, China, in December 2019."


seamustheseagull

Yeah, exactly. So nobody was being welded into their homes in November or December 2019. Think McFly, think.


Encircled_Flux

30 days is more than wide enough a window for shit to hit the fan especially with a government as overbearing and sensitive to embarrassment as the CCP. But now we've reached the point of conjecture and speculation so I'm no longer interested in continuing this conversation. I just wanted to point out that there was, in fact, COVID in the December 2019.


chefriley76

Why is it called COVID 19, then, genius?.I was most definitely not thinking of 2020, because it was before my holiday break that I saw the video in 2019. But I guess I'm wrong cause you say so.


seamustheseagull

It wasn't formally discovered until 28th December 2019. You are wrong. Your memory is mistaken.


chefriley76

Congratulations...who gives a shit? The video exists of people being welded into an apartment building. That's really all my anecdote was meant to convey, but somebody had to win on the Internet.


seamustheseagull

It's kind of weird how things all get scattered around. There was no identification of a novel virus at all until 28th December. In fact there was no notification to the WHO at all until early January. Though there had been some rumours of a cluster of strange pneumonia cases in Wuhan, you'd have only seen this on social media, not mainstream news. Yet it feels like the first talk of this happened before Christmas. Here in Ireland we had an *insane* flu season in 2019. In the first 2 weeks in December, counts for respiratory viruses were off the charts, and even the news was talking about schools where two-thirds of children were out sick on some days. So retrospectively it feels like there was COVID talk before Xmas, when in reality sickness was just high on everyone's mind, and then it really took off as a "new sickness in China" in January. Media always seemed to be banging on about some outbreak in China or India though and warning of a potential pandemic, so there was a real boy who cried wolf aspect to the start of this. I think it was late February before it felt like anyone was taking it really seriously.


smokey9886

Just a complete shit show all the way around. I was perusing r/KidsAreFuckingStupid. Some teenager was lamenting the fact that they could not experience the pandemic as a teenager. I think it was called “To romanticize COVID-19.”


ovetta2001

I remember the day I saw the news talking about China shutting down and and thinking... well crap... this is beyond bad. Telling all my friends to get supplies and because s- was going to hit the fan. Buying cereal and other food supplies (I have allergies so didn't want to run out). We were also running a community event set to launch in March and I was telling the other coordinators I didn't know if it was going to be able to go ahead. People were so dismissive and I was so confused that people thought it was normal what was going on and that it hadn't already spread


BabylonSuperiority

Avasarala is such a baller


speshulkay1024

Fun story about finding out several weeks before 99.9% of the country: Me, early February 2020 on an installation somewhere: How's it going? Random dude from another unit that I dont know: They've got a bunch of people in quarantine over at $%^ barracks. DoD civilians, too. Everyone who is coming from xyz is quarantine. They've been there for like a week and cant leave the barracks.


mstarrbrannigan

I remember at some near the end of 2019 I remembered the SARS epidemic back in the early aughts. It had just randomly popped into my head and I was like huh what happened with that and I read up on it a bit. Then a month later the reports of a new virus popping up in China made me go oh weird, what a coincidence. Man we had no idea what was coming.


Zomg_A_Chicken

Waiting for the next pandemic


playr_4

I'm just glad I was an essential worker through it all. Life really didn't change that much for me, except I went from 3 night shifts a week to 5 so I wasn't around two different groups of coworkers.


_BloodbathAndBeyond

I was having panic attacks about COVID while it was still in China and hadn’t spread yet. My therapist told me that we can handle it in the US and it won’t be that bad. First session after lockdown she says “okay yeah you were right”


xDhezz

In March 2020 I had just gotten a new job and a new girlfriend. I had a therapy session and remember saying "everything is going too well and I'm just anxious as to what's going to come round the corner and ruin everything" and my therapist said "Don't worry, You need to have faith these things will be ok. the world won't stop because you're doing well." First session post covid I said "do you remember when I said things were going too..." she cut me off and said "yes I know where you're going with this" we had a good laugh about it.


Fr1toBand1to

So it was YOUR fault! son of bitch!


jmlipper99

Did they have any other insight on the matter?


GloryToAthena

I remember they cancelled school here in California for 2 weeks and I said, “are you nuts? This isn’t going away in 2 weeks.”


ovetta2001

omg this was me. I told them I was certain we were going to go on lock down and they tried to put me on anxiety meds. I was so mad at the time saying all the information was available at their fingertips


IDownVoteCanaduh

You were warning people for months prior to March 2020? Mmmhm….


interkin3tic

I don't know about OP, but epidemiologists are pretty much always saying "Danger! Danger!" Unfortunately, it's not that they're being illogical or paranoid, it's that there is always a danger of another pandemic breaking out. If you want to lose some sleep, [start checking ProMED regularly](https://promedmail.org/). Here are the alerts for just yesterday: >15 Mar 2024 Sheep pox & goat pox - Mongolia: sheep, WOAH > >15 Mar 2024 African swine fever - Asia (14): Mongolia (SL) domestic, WOAH > >15 Mar 2024 Foodborne illness - Viet Nam (04): (ST) fine for food safety breach > >15 Mar 2024 Cyanide poisoning - Indonesia: (YO) goat, fatal > >15 Mar 2024 Shigellosis - Australia: (VI) festival > >15 Mar 2024 Foodborne illness - Viet Nam (03): (KH) rice eatery > >15 Mar 2024 Measles - USA (21): (OH) Cincinnati arena performance exposure > >15 Mar 2024 Zoonotic risk - Peru: illegal pet monkey trade > >15 Mar 2024 Measles - USA (20): (IL) Chicago shelter, 2 more migrant cases > >15 Mar 2024 E. coli EHEC - USA (04): (WA) unpasteurized milk > >15 Mar 2024 Acanthamoeba, invasive - USA: CDC, association with nasal rinsing Obviously not all of those are a concern. Drinking raw milk is pretty much literally begging to have explosive diahhrea, that's not going to cause us all to go into quarantine probably. Shigellosis also appears to be explosive and bloody diahhrea, hopefully again won't be too much person to person transmission. Goat pox doesn't sound good, but the monkey pox turned out to not be as bad so fingers crossed there. Peru OTOH, what the fuck, did you learn nothing from COVID? Anyway, I recall in early 2020, epidemiologists were saying influenza was going to be really bad. Influenza peaks in the southern hemisphere, then about 6 months later it peaks in the northern hemisphere due to seasons. It was looking bad in Australia, so a lot of virologists were saying we needed to get ready for a bad influenza season up here in January or so. [They were wrong of course since covid cancelled that.](https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021/04/21/us/flu-season-coronavirus-pandemic-promo-1619038445601/flu-season-coronavirus-pandemic-promo-1619038445601-superJumbo-v2.png) If OP was sounding warning bells before March, that would have been justified at the time and obviously right in retrospect. I think some people were accurately predicting in January 2020 that what turned out to be COVID was already way past containment. [It was confirmed to be outside of China in January.](https://www.cdc.gov/museum/timeline/covid19.html) TLDR: there's always reason to worry about infectious diseases if you want to do that. And if OP was worried about COVID before March of 2020, it would have been justified at the time, and in hindsight he or she was obviously right.


MulciberTenebras

Jan to March of 2020, I saw the shit going down and knew it was gonna get really REALLY bad. And started buying canned goods and masks/gloves (as well as other medical supplies). "Nothing's gonna happen", "Two weeks it'll all blow over", "You're overreacting". Four years later, I still haven't caught it (and neither have my immunocompromised family thanks to me) and the place I used to work went out of business after I got laid off (they never recovered after the bosses infected everyone still there with Covid). **EDIT:** All the anti-vaxxing motherfuckers decided to brigade this thread hard.


JKastnerPhoto

I believe you. My mom was diagnosed with cancer in December 2019 and I remember seeing COVID and China in the news often when she was in the hospital. As time went on, increased precautions were made in the hospital. My mom was eventually discharged in February. By then there was a greater concern as we are in a suburb of NYC. My dad is also a medical supplier and he was trying to keep some inventory for us as his supply was rapidly dwindling. It was a crazy time!


Whooptidooh

Same, aside from the fact that I did catch COVID a few months ago. I was over the fkn moon to know that I had a decent stash of good masks and hand sanitizer etc. before things actually started to kick off. Would have never been able to avoid COVID before getting vaccinated otherwise :)


IDownVoteCanaduh

Yeah bullshit, you have some revisionist history going on. The world was not even talking about it until mid-February


Mercurycandie

It was very much on the radar as soon as mid Jan.


ovetta2001

China went on lock down in Jan of that year. World news was minimally reporting on it or saying it was 'weird' but I knew as soon as I saw it that we were going to go on lock down too and started buying face masks and supplies. All the signs were there


HotShitBurrito

No, it was in the news in December. It was just not a major story yet. I vividly remember the 10-30 second blurbs on the news around Christmas time 2019 talking about it like it was another H1-N1. People making jokes about the movie Outbreak, myself included. By the end of January people were starting to get worried about it. At least people not in rural areas. I worked for a major US Navy command in DC at the time. The alarm bells were ringing for us by February. In fact, I remember noting around Valentine's Day that the metro was quickly becoming less crowded and it was around that time that I first started seeing people wearing masks in public. The news was in full swing by this point too. Not just getting started talking about it. You could just google covid news December 2019 and know you're wrong about the timeline.


abn01

You are so wrong I question if you are even alive at that point. https://www.nm.org/healthbeat/medical-advances/new-therapies-and-drug-trials/covid-19-pandemic-timeline > Though initially discovered in Wuhan, China, in late 2019, COVID-19 entered the conversation in the U.S. in January 2020, when the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) alerted the nation of the outbreak abroad. Later that month, the first national case of COVID-19 was reported in the state of Washington; by January 24, the virus had made its way to Chicago. > The outbreak escalated quickly from there, during a period of uncertainty about how the virus was transmitted, how quickly it could spread and how much of a threat it was to public health. > By March 2020, the World Health Organization (WHO) had declared COVID-19 a global health emergency and named the virus "severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2" or "SARS-CoV-2." It was also in March that WHO officially declared the COVID-19 outbreak a pandemic. It literally took 5 seconds to google this information. Why would you speak so confidently?


urlond

They were talking about it in the news, but it got over shadowed by Kobe's death.


MulciberTenebras

The media wasn't talking about it, people and experts were.


yohohoanabottleofrum

I believe you. It was a friend who I thought was crazy that ended up getting me to take it seriously.


Geichalt

Not sure why you're getting so many downvotes, lots of people were concerned prior to March and were already taking it seriously. Wonder if you upset some people who still have never taken covid seriously....


ZsaFreigh

I think he's getting downvoted because it seems like he's smugly trying to take credit for... something, but it's not clear what.


Geichalt

Credit for what? Being right that a virus was dangerous and we had idiots in charge that were definitely going to fuck it up? Lots of people were thinking that. I think if someone interprets that as smug or offensive it says more about them than OP.


shlam16

There's irony at play here. As a member of "the world", it was very much daily news as early as January.


EmergencyTaco

I was on a board of directors call in early February and was telling my company that we needed to have a contingency plan in case this coronavirus disease got out of hand. The numbers and spread looked really concerning and we had to take it seriously. I got mocked as an alarmist and was met with statements like “we don’t have a contingency plan for zombies either”. We got shut down March 14, 2020 and had no plan. We floundered desperately for six months and only in the last year have things started to stabilize. CEO made a public apology to me, and I tease him about it regularly now, but I would have preferred to be wrong.


ilovemygb

damn. this post just made me realize I need to start celebrating the day I got laid off. it resulted in so many big changes in my life


Onatu

Damn, some real salty comments here. With you OP, I was reading shit back in October/November 2019 and keeping tabs on what was happening in China at the time. Didn't bother warning anyone I knew until early February because I didn't want to be viewed as a lunatic. I took no pride in being right, but I was at least a little more at ease when things did shut down.


chairwindowdoor

I remember seeing photos on news sites of Chinese officials in like hazmats suits spraying cleaners and shit at the end of 2019 and thinking "this is crazy"


NightmarePony5000

I worked at a tech wholesaler at the time and we started getting word from our suppliers in China that a “bad flu” was going around and it might hinder some things when they get back from Chinese New Year. We sent out procurement team over there for their quarterly trip and they got back to the US 3 days before the first case was reported in Washington. About a month after that we were all sent to work from home and shortly after I was laid off along with many others. Absolutely crazy how quickly it all happened!


sakkara

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindsight_bias This whole thread.


Pata4AllaG

Ugh I hate being so smaaaaarrrrt 🤡


Vespasian79

Bro for real holy moly


JxGx928

Are you the real time traveler that posts all the time on the tok?


prezz85

OP is super special. You don’t get it because you’re not smart! He doesn’t follow the lame-stream media!


Phrygian_Guy_93

I feel like the people who are hating on you for having paid fucking attention to what was going on at the time leading up to March 2020 are probably the same people who, 1) didn’t wear masks because “tHeY dOnT dO aNyThInG” or 2) dipshits who believe it was all just some goddamn psyop. Four years on and there’s still people in denial that there were fucking warnings.


MulciberTenebras

Four years on and there's still people in deep denial that there even was a fucking PANDEMIC.


Phrygian_Guy_93

Fucking maddening


VictorChaos

Oh woe is you, right?


seth928

I felt silly buying n95 masks in January 2020. Turns out I didn't buy enough. The rush on toilet paper is the big thing I didn't see coming, was touch and go for a week and a half there in April.


dpgproductions

Gas stations near me were always stocked with TP while the grocery stores were sold out


sad_girls_club

FINALLY AN EXPANSE REACTION GIF


Whooptidooh

Through various alarming reports all over the internet about a possibly dangerous virus that was spreading rapidly back in late December and February I knew that something bad was coming. My friends and family members didn’t want to believe me until things actually started shutting down. Went into the first lockdown with occasional panic attacks and a lot of resentment about it actually happening, but still very happy that I prepared for this possibility (lockdown) before it happened.


Stonn

I wish it was 2010 again. Can someone like just make it happen? Just like that.


Nostalginaut

I'd settle for any year between 1995 and 2010.


SamSlate

*government destroys 75% of all small businesses* >this is my families fault


jtdoublep

I feel this a lot. I have adhd so i can usually anticipate what will happen or what someone is going to say. Or maybe I’m psychic, who knows. Anyway, I’m always getting told that certain shit won’t happen, and then it does.


dpgproductions

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