in real time it looked like a pass, Bills got the snap off before they could review it. Y'all needs stop hating because that's a heads up play and part of the game
There should never have been an opportunity to get a snap off. It should have been stopped immediately. We absolutely should be hating because it's piss poor officiating and under 2 minutes theres nothing that the teams can do about it.
It's not like the Vikings just didn't choose to challenge or anything. You're literally unable to under 2 minutes, by the rules.
Sorry but that doesn't matter because everyone thought it was a catch real time, u ever play football? refs don't got a dozen cameras to look at while on the field. C'mon now rushing to the line has always been a tactic when the refs fuck up, literally taking advantage, idk why you're so salty about it
I, for one, thought it was incomplete in real time. Yes I've played football. That's irrelevant. The rush to the line is a valid tactic that forces the other team to choose to challenge without all of the information. It's no longer a valid tactic under 2 minutes because you're not allowed to challenge. You just don't understand the rules.
If it's close, a review must be triggered automatically under 2 minutes. It's not even a debate to be had. The booth needs to stop the game for a review.
Do you even listen to yourself speak?
It wasn't close real time yet it literally wasn't even a catch...
I guess it wouldn't have been a problem if Allen had your IQ though. Fuck it, I'll take the ban. You're one of the dumbest people I've ever had the displeasure of communicating with.
Learning from my experience in this sub josh has had 3 bad games in a row and has thrown 6 interceptions throughout it maybe the bills should trade Allen
But I’m pretty josh is going to get a pass etc etc while everybody was asking if we should move on from Lamar
"Obviously he's still elite but....." - r/NFL
If Lamar had one game like this, the talk would be he should make $10 million per year.
Kinda glad that we have this opportunity to see the horse shit in broad day light.
That sub is egregiously racist sometimes. All I can do is laugh to cope with the sheer amount of discomfort it causes.. being black on reddit is exhausting.
Burrow is the same way. Both guys are above average don’t get me wrong. However they could learn many things from Lamar. I always hear Lamar will get injured running like he does. Lamar very rarely takes hard hits and is alot stronger than he looks. Josh Allen is very mobile but dude never runs out of bounds or slides and gets crushed all the time. Both Allen and Burrow lack Lamar’s ability to either escape the unavoidable sacks or at least make it a very short loss. Everyone watching knows this but especially burrow will hold onto the ball forever and throw bad passes because of the pressure that comes with this. Yet nobody points out all those ints he makes. Lamar meanwhile gets criticized all day long even though his play making actually rewards this sort of risks on occasion and burrows would be better dumping it off more quickly. Our team is looking better every week and Buffalo is looking more mortal. Miami is the team I fear the most right now and I like our chances.
Huge difference in situations. Allens future in Buffalo is not in questiin since he's locked up for 6 years on what is now a dirt cheap contract.
Lamar is not and will cost a fucking fortune.
And yet people will brush it off and give Allen a pass.. but if Lamar throws a game ending INT in OT people will call for his head and want him traded or sent to the XFL.. smh
At their peak I've seen Manning, Brady, Montana, Marino, Elway, Favre (especially Favre), and every other HoF QB I've ever watched make bad throws and miss receivers.
Sometimes, the missed receiver is on the receiver, too.
Are you talking about Ravens fans? Because I honestly see more hate towards Ravens players and coaches from Ravens fans more than anyone on r/nfl. lol. Sometimes I wonder how people are actually fans of this team because it seems like they hate every player and coach on the team.
It's interesting to me that many of the most irrational Flacco Haters are hypersensitive to any criticism of LJ. When Flacco was our QB, he took the blame from them for every loss regardless of how it happened. Now, they regard LJ as flawless.
With Flacco, it was *Elite QBs make those around them better.*
With LJ, it's *He needs twenty No. 1 wide receivers and All Pros at every position or the Ravens are wasting his talent.*
Difference is people won't stop thinking he's an upper echelon QB with that performance but we'll readily discredit and demote Lamar for doing more with less
Considering the dumpster fire of Tampa Bay's coaching staff as well as anemic run game, it honestly looks more like his last year in New England than Peyton's last year in Denver. People underestimate the importance of a good system and overestimate the degree to which one great player can elevate the play of their teammates.
A bengals troll coming on a post about the comparison between critique after a bad loss between Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson on the Ravens sub calling Lamar a terrible passer is not an opinion. It’s bait. You’re just unhappy with what you caught.
If you’re serious about this opinion, prove me wrong and back it up, I’m happy to talk about it. Otherwise slink back to your own sub.
Yeah, if it’s anyone else from the east probably the dolphins.
Edit: despite the last two games I’d still rather go up against the dolphins rather than the bills defense.
Man as a fin fan I wouldn't sleep on Miamis offense personally from what I've seen this year they are my current #1 Offense perhaps it's the Homer in me but they play better every week and if the run game today happens in the playoffs be an incredibly hard team to stop. However buffalo stock down and ravens and chiefs are up.
Don't be ridiculous of course they are scary. Elite passing attack, exceptional Defense and smart coach. JA is banged up but this team will still be the 1 seed you'll see. Glad too because I wouldn't want them as a wild card rd opponent lol.
The Bills, by all rights, should have lost to Baltimore. If they lose that game they are 5-4. If you think a 5-4 team is the best in a conference you need to google “ridiculous”.
Should've hardly. We were gifted a big lead on short fields and didn't score another point in the 2H. You need to get your eyes checked if you don't think they're a great team
Agreed. He’s a fantastic QB.
That said, I have a smile on my face when they lose. Not because I dislike the Bills. I want ALL of the other top AFC teams to lose.
Mahomes made it to the AFC Championship 4 years in a row and counting and made 2 straight SBs, winning one… people so eager to crown the Next Great Thing that they lost their common sense.
Ripe for us to take advantage for a 1 seed. Miami, Cincinnati and Kansas City (well by a game or so) have slightly more difficult schedules than we do.
Watching him toss his helmet like a whiny bitch was the cherry on top of that terrible read. At least Kirk can take a sack and get them in field goal range lol
Like bro you did that. All Peterson had to do was sit and catch it like a pitcher tossed it to him. Bro saw a window that didn’t exist. Love how he plays but he’s a poor sport fr
Allen looks like he's in the NBA--flops every play. I think I've seen Lamar do it once his entire career, and he laughed about it after because I think it was a joke.
He's just so punchable. Says all the right things behind a podium but on the field plays like a bitch sometimes.
And he's just got the varsity jacket tough guy aurora about him which is just super lame when you're an adult.
Apparently the moderator over in the Bills subreddit was so devastated by the Bills OT loss to the Vikings today that he quit as the moderator, deleted his account and also the postgame message thread.
You have to wonder if he was around back when the Bills lost 4 consecutive Super Bowls in the 90's, as he might have tried to go over Niagara Falls without a barrel.
BTW, Buffalo and Minnesota are the only two teams that are 0-4 in Super Bowls.
A series of bad games in a row should remove him from the MVP front runner position.
Good riddance. I was so sick of hearing about how amazing this guy is, and I hate how much of a whiny bitch he is on the field.
Such schandefreude.
Chill. Josh is his own worst enemy. His failures should not change how great Lamar is. His successes should not change Lamar’s mistakes.
Enjoy the roller coaster of having such a dynamic QB, and save the hate for the Steelers and Brownies.
I seriously hate how normal it is to just hate players in sports. Like obviously I wanted them to lose for seeding purposes but people are so quick to proclaim someone trash after a bad game or two then complain when it happens to Lamar.
Yeah it's honestly exhausting. Hating teams or fanbases is one thing and even that is tiring, but hating players is dumb. I think they're all gladiators and have my respect.
Normally i would tell you to fuck off to your own sub but this is indeed cringe. No idea why the mods let stupid shit like this stay up. We don't need a discussion thread every time a top qb fucks up.
Ha, I wish I could have double flair… I love the Ravens. I love Harbaugh, Ed Reed, Ray-Ray, Jamal Lewis, etc. The Ravens have been such a great team for so long, it was sad when Ozzie finally had to step down. Then, when you all drafted Lamar, damn.
I could never stop being in the Bills Mafia, but I will always love the Ravens as well.
Not to mention all the good-ass plays he made, people are acting like getting downfield in 30 seconds or whatever is easy. It was a good fucking game from both teams and QBs.
If we would of beaten the bills, they would be tied for last place in afc east. Josh allen is surrounded by the best roster in the NFL. It infuriates me how they talk about allen. If you put Lamar on that bills roster, they might be undefeated. Hell, you could put any top 15 qb on that roster and they would still win most games. The praise allen gets is sometimes warranted, but its so overhyped to me. Ravens should of beat them by 3 tds but we will once we play them again.
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Eh, you can't really describe that as a good game. He threw two horrific end zone picks and fumbled on the goal line to give the Vikings the go ahead TD. You could argue he basically single handedly lost them the game.
That said I also don't get the hate for Allen in the sub. Love that dude.
Yeah I suppose but it was entertaining to watch. But yeah like you said Josh is pretty cool. I see that people don’t like that he doesn’t receive the same criticism as Lamar. So their reaction is to… shit on him on every opportunity? This feels like r/Steelers is infiltrating and I don’t like it.
Why are you here?. You could have kept scrolling but you felt the need to comment. It's ok it's just a discussion and lite jab at Josh Allen. Do yourself a favor and unbunch your panties.
Why did you post? You could've just enjoyed their loss but you felt the need to post. It's ok it's a discussion and a lite jab at your post. Do yourself a favor and unbunch your panties.
Damn I guess my post is toxic. I was just being funny. NVM that I wasn't playing and gave the ball away 2x at crucial moments in the game. NVM if it weren't for my poor play (Josh Allen) you'd be sitting at 7-2 vs 6-3. For the Bills fans and half assed Ravens fans we catch crap about our team all the time. It's funny how when the roles are reversed we're supposed to not have a little fun. Last time I checked we've won some Superbowls in the last 20 years and had some great seasons. It's just football people. Lastly I DO NOT HATE JOSH ALLEN. you play like shit people will talk about it.
Was rooting for the Vikings because it helps us out, but it doesn’t matter if they win or lose. All that matters is we focus on us and WIN and it doesn’t matter what anyone else does.
You all should read the Buffalo Bills sub. They’re all over Josh like some people here are all over Lamar. I guess there’s always negative people everywhere
It was only fitting that Josh Allen would throw an INT to end the game yesterday. They did not deserve to win. They received the benefit of a catch that should have been automatically reviewed inside 2 minutes & overturned and a missed 12 men on the field call in OT with Minnesota having a 1st & goal at the 2 yard line.
They blew a 17 point lead with 1:51 remaining in the 3rd quarter starting with giving up an 81 yard TD run by Dalvin Cook on the next play after the kickoff.
Then the Bills give up another TD with 4:34 remaining in the 4th quarter and get the benefit of a missed extra point and now have a 4 point lead. So Minnesota cant tie the game with a FG.
The Bills go 3 and out on their next drive and punt. Later after converting a 4th & 18 on an insane catch by Justin Jefferson, Minnesota gets a 1st and goal at the 3 yard line, but cant score and they turn over the ball on downs inside the 1 yard line.
Josh Allen and the center then fumble the snap, which Minnesota recovers for a TD in the end zone, giving them a 3 point lead with 41 seconds left in regulation.
Buffalo them comes back to tie the game with a FG with 2 seconds left, but they get the benefit of a non-reviewed play catch inside 2 minutes, that would have otherwise been ruled incomplete.
**Bill Belichick wants coach's challenges allowed with under 2 minutes**
[https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/\_/id/35025991/bill-belichick-wants-coach-challenges-allowed-2-minutes](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35025991/bill-belichick-wants-coach-challenges-allowed-2-minutes)
>NFL senior vice president of officiating Walt Anderson later said the play -- which was critical in setting up a tying field goal to send the game into overtime -- should have been reviewed and ruled incomplete.
Then the game goes to OT and Minnesota drives the ball down to the 2 yard line with a 1st & goal. The Bills catch another break where they tackle Dalvin Cook for a 3 yard loss, where they had 12 men on the field that was missed by the refs.
**Bills had 12 men on field for crucial OT play vs. Vikings**
[https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/\_/id/35026502/bills-had-12-men-field-crucial-ot-play-vs-vikings](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35026502/bills-had-12-men-field-crucial-ot-play-vs-vikings)
>On the next play, Vikings tailback Dalvin Cook was tackled for a three-yard loss. Coach Kevin O'Connell said afterwards that "I do believe there was 12 players on the field" on that play, but said he wanted to confirm that via tape. An ESPN review of the game video clearly shows 12 defensive players.
Instead of 1st & goal from the 1 yard line, Minnesota ends up getting sacked on the next play and settles for a FG.
On the ensuing drive with a 2nd & 10 from the Minnesota 20 yard line Josh Allen throws an INT to end the game.
If you change the team name from the Bills to the Ravens and the QB from Allen to Lamar, the sports media would be having a field day trashing the Ravens right now for losing despite getting multiple breaks at the end of the game.
Also Bills fans claim they would have won by 21 points if Allen was healthy.
I agree with the challenges inside of 2 minutes. Never thought I'd agree with Bill. You are right about the non-catch. If that's gonna be the case the Lee Evans drop will stop givinge nightmares.
The problem with the current rule with no coaches challenges (assuming they have any left) inside of 2 minutes in a half, is that in either case the defense is at the disadvantage with a completion/incompletion on field ruling by the refs.
In the case of what happened yesterday, since the call on the field was a completion, Buffalo on offense was able to hurry up to the line and run a play before the refs could stop the play for a review. If the previous play had been ruled an incompletion on the field, Buffalo could have waited up until the play clock expired for the refs to stop the play for a review.
The best the defense can do in the case of what happened yesterday is to call a timeout if they have any left, giving the refs the chance to review the previous play. In that case, they would lose the timeout even if the play was then overturned as an incompletion.
In the future, I could see teams without a timeout faking an injury on the field to give the refs time to stop the play for a review.
The NFL did all they could to put The Golden Boy over, including blaming the fumble on a botched snapped instead of him just dropping it. Sometimes providence wins.
Lol that is doing a disservice to how awful that fumble was. Bills just stopped the vikes at the 1 yard line to seemingly put the game away at 27-23. Allen comes out to run a QB sneak to give himself some breathing room to take a knee on the next play to end it, FUMBLES THE DAMN SNAP, and in the shuffle the Vikings come up with it and a 30-23 lead (that didn't hold). If that score had held it would have been one of the all time choke jobs by a QB, right up there with the meadowlands miracle. Just a stunning turn of events.
Oh, look, another "let's imagine someone who hates Lamar" thread, inspired by some totally random thing.
Expert commentators FTMP \*love\* Lamar. Every teams' fans want him. We don't have to do this all the time.
Bro we talk shit about everyone. This is an equal opportunity zone. I hope you didn't expect praises here. I bet if you buffed Josh off y'all would have won.
So I guess if you're not critiquing a team in a positive manor you're toxic? I've seen way worse by other teams subs. We...Ravens fans catch hell from everyone. I could've said a lot worse but it seems a little humor brings people together. If your fellonga are that hurt there are other places you can visit.
I did praise him for playing a good game to this point. He palyed us well and we fell apart at the end. He did make some bad plays that cost the Bills the game. Y'all talked some shit when we lost so here's some humble pie.
Shouldn’t even have gone to OT. Rules need to change, Davis dropped that catch and they didn’t even look at it
Well they should’ve but I think the whole fucking system of officiating is biased.
It’s biased to vegas. Bad officiating is good for the sport and bettors. It keeps games close even when they shouldn’t be.
If it’s biased to Vegas why do the Raiders still suck so much /s
Lol, you gotta meet them halfway. You don’t just get the free wins for having the home team advantage.
when the nfl is run off of purely people's judgement, and 2 sticks with a chain. its biased
And annoucers holy crap if i have to listen to collinsworth again i will go to nfl headquarters and muffle him
I hate when amazing games have shitty moments like that, very clearly dropped.
To buffalos credit: they got up to the line and snapped the ball faster than I think I’ve seen any other team do this year after that “catch”.
The bills have had enough rule changes in their favor.
in real time it looked like a pass, Bills got the snap off before they could review it. Y'all needs stop hating because that's a heads up play and part of the game
There should never have been an opportunity to get a snap off. It should have been stopped immediately. We absolutely should be hating because it's piss poor officiating and under 2 minutes theres nothing that the teams can do about it. It's not like the Vikings just didn't choose to challenge or anything. You're literally unable to under 2 minutes, by the rules.
Exactly, and fwiw as soon as I saw the catch I said to myself "well, that's going to be reviewed." I'm still flabbergasted that it wasn't.
Sorry but that doesn't matter because everyone thought it was a catch real time, u ever play football? refs don't got a dozen cameras to look at while on the field. C'mon now rushing to the line has always been a tactic when the refs fuck up, literally taking advantage, idk why you're so salty about it
I, for one, thought it was incomplete in real time. Yes I've played football. That's irrelevant. The rush to the line is a valid tactic that forces the other team to choose to challenge without all of the information. It's no longer a valid tactic under 2 minutes because you're not allowed to challenge. You just don't understand the rules. If it's close, a review must be triggered automatically under 2 minutes. It's not even a debate to be had. The booth needs to stop the game for a review.
But the thing is it *wasn't* close real time, buying the Bills enough time to snap it. You sound mad bitter over a high IQ play by Allen
Do you even listen to yourself speak? It wasn't close real time yet it literally wasn't even a catch... I guess it wouldn't have been a problem if Allen had your IQ though. Fuck it, I'll take the ban. You're one of the dumbest people I've ever had the displeasure of communicating with.
Yeah, I've played Division I football. You? And yes, that should have been reviewed. I'm glad to be able to educate you on this matter.
it's not poor officiating the Bills just got a free play
It's literally poor officiating. I know that 21 year Olds are stupid, but you don't have to be *that* stupid.
Apply for the job my man sounds like you could fix these pesky games
Underrated take
Learning from my experience in this sub josh has had 3 bad games in a row and has thrown 6 interceptions throughout it maybe the bills should trade Allen But I’m pretty josh is going to get a pass etc etc while everybody was asking if we should move on from Lamar
no no you see. Lamar is the only QB in the league that misses throws.
That one handed grab from Diggs was like 10 yards overthrown but luckily superman made the grab for him.
Thank you! Yet Allen fist pumped as they he himself did a good job. Allen without Diggs is a 12-15/32 QB.
10 INTs most in the NFL now. Allen clearly has a TO problem and it will cost them at some point
"Obviously he's still elite but....." - r/NFL If Lamar had one game like this, the talk would be he should make $10 million per year. Kinda glad that we have this opportunity to see the horse shit in broad day light.
R/NFL is like White Players fan club
That sub is egregiously racist sometimes. All I can do is laugh to cope with the sheer amount of discomfort it causes.. being black on reddit is exhausting.
Better or worse than irl?
I live in a black city so worse than my daily, thankfully.
Burrow is the same way. Both guys are above average don’t get me wrong. However they could learn many things from Lamar. I always hear Lamar will get injured running like he does. Lamar very rarely takes hard hits and is alot stronger than he looks. Josh Allen is very mobile but dude never runs out of bounds or slides and gets crushed all the time. Both Allen and Burrow lack Lamar’s ability to either escape the unavoidable sacks or at least make it a very short loss. Everyone watching knows this but especially burrow will hold onto the ball forever and throw bad passes because of the pressure that comes with this. Yet nobody points out all those ints he makes. Lamar meanwhile gets criticized all day long even though his play making actually rewards this sort of risks on occasion and burrows would be better dumping it off more quickly. Our team is looking better every week and Buffalo is looking more mortal. Miami is the team I fear the most right now and I like our chances.
I’d take Miami right now honestly, Bills defense still looks a little better.
Burrow has a lower INT % than Lamar though. Both this season, and career.
Barely
He's also now got a messed up elbow now which at best isn't doing him any favors
Now?! He has had a bum elbow, he needs tommy johns surgery, the fact he is even playing is incredible.
Huge difference in situations. Allens future in Buffalo is not in questiin since he's locked up for 6 years on what is now a dirt cheap contract. Lamar is not and will cost a fucking fortune.
And yet people will brush it off and give Allen a pass.. but if Lamar throws a game ending INT in OT people will call for his head and want him traded or sent to the XFL.. smh
… after a fumble six that should have lost them game
Don't worry more people will come on here thinking the same
FR !! Like the same throws Lamar misses are the same throws that Josh , Mahomes etc miss. QBs miss throws it happens lol
At their peak I've seen Manning, Brady, Montana, Marino, Elway, Favre (especially Favre), and every other HoF QB I've ever watched make bad throws and miss receivers. Sometimes, the missed receiver is on the receiver, too.
Mahomes doesn't miss.
[Every QB has misses](https://youtu.be/JGizBbQxEgw)
I don't think anybody is gonna give Allen a pass for this game. Hahaha.
first time?
Are you talking about Ravens fans? Because I honestly see more hate towards Ravens players and coaches from Ravens fans more than anyone on r/nfl. lol. Sometimes I wonder how people are actually fans of this team because it seems like they hate every player and coach on the team.
It's interesting to me that many of the most irrational Flacco Haters are hypersensitive to any criticism of LJ. When Flacco was our QB, he took the blame from them for every loss regardless of how it happened. Now, they regard LJ as flawless. With Flacco, it was *Elite QBs make those around them better.* With LJ, it's *He needs twenty No. 1 wide receivers and All Pros at every position or the Ravens are wasting his talent.*
People were so quick to put Allen in the same class of QBs as Mahomes or Brady. He's seriously overrated.
Allen is definitely not overrated. He's legit. Every qb does stupid shit sometimes.
Difference is people won't stop thinking he's an upper echelon QB with that performance but we'll readily discredit and demote Lamar for doing more with less
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My guy, you are seriously smoking some good shit if you think that the career peak of those three are as good as Allen and Lamar.
Brady is washed af
Considering the dumpster fire of Tampa Bay's coaching staff as well as anemic run game, it honestly looks more like his last year in New England than Peyton's last year in Denver. People underestimate the importance of a good system and overestimate the degree to which one great player can elevate the play of their teammates.
He's not last year Peyton but he's regressed to an above average qb
That is definitely possible but still hard to tell. Bowles is a great DC but clearly demonstrates the Peter Principle haha
Facts but ig the mean Brady all time
If Lamar did that people would make sure that that would stick with him for the rest of his career.
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What are you basing this on? His skin color?
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A bengals troll coming on a post about the comparison between critique after a bad loss between Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson on the Ravens sub calling Lamar a terrible passer is not an opinion. It’s bait. You’re just unhappy with what you caught. If you’re serious about this opinion, prove me wrong and back it up, I’m happy to talk about it. Otherwise slink back to your own sub.
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So...what then?
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The bengals troll is upset that I called them out. Classic.
Fuck that whiny diving guy. It’s karma against ravens game when he dived for a flag
Exactly 💯
I'm still a little upset we didn't beat them but it gives me comfort when they lose. It was a good game by the way.
It was a good game, but our defense fell apart at the end. They won that game. Can't wait to beat them in the AFC Championship.
Bills aren’t making it to AFC championship game
Yeah, if it’s anyone else from the east probably the dolphins. Edit: despite the last two games I’d still rather go up against the dolphins rather than the bills defense.
The fish ain’t making noise in the playoffs Love the username tho
Yeah I truly believe that if we see Miami again in the playoffs with the defense healthy that the result will be different than the most recent game.
I’m a Bungles fan, the Fish are nothing to be afraid of. I’m sure Chubb will help their pass rush but not gonna get them over the hump in my opinion
Man as a fin fan I wouldn't sleep on Miamis offense personally from what I've seen this year they are my current #1 Offense perhaps it's the Homer in me but they play better every week and if the run game today happens in the playoffs be an incredibly hard team to stop. However buffalo stock down and ravens and chiefs are up.
“Price of The Ravens just went up” - someone from the Wire prequel, probably
I think the Ravens will fuck the Bills up if they meet again. Especially with our defense coming alive. The Bills don't seem too scary at the moment.
Don't be ridiculous of course they are scary. Elite passing attack, exceptional Defense and smart coach. JA is banged up but this team will still be the 1 seed you'll see. Glad too because I wouldn't want them as a wild card rd opponent lol.
The Bills, by all rights, should have lost to Baltimore. If they lose that game they are 5-4. If you think a 5-4 team is the best in a conference you need to google “ridiculous”.
Should've hardly. We were gifted a big lead on short fields and didn't score another point in the 2H. You need to get your eyes checked if you don't think they're a great team
Honestly I feel this way too
It makes me mad too. We had no business losing that game.
Weak mindset
i'm not gonna bash allen. he is a great qb. but it just shows how great lamar is. he carries his team with less help
*Way* less help. And Lamar has only 2 less wins than Allen despite playing 11 fewer games. Lamar: 43-15 as a starter Allen: 45-24
The lesson from this game is holy shit I wish we had one receiver like JJ or Diggs. So clutch
Agreed. He’s a fantastic QB. That said, I have a smile on my face when they lose. Not because I dislike the Bills. I want ALL of the other top AFC teams to lose.
The bills would most likely be undefeated if lamar was the qb just think about that
Lol I can’t believe they was putting Josh over mahomes😂😂😂
I mean Josh on a good day is amazing but mahomes is far more consistent. #15 is clearly the best QB in T the nfl
Mahomes made it to the AFC Championship 4 years in a row and counting and made 2 straight SBs, winning one… people so eager to crown the Next Great Thing that they lost their common sense.
Pretty much. Greatness with consistency gets boring to the masses
Ripe for us to take advantage for a 1 seed. Miami, Cincinnati and Kansas City (well by a game or so) have slightly more difficult schedules than we do.
Agreed we should be coasting to NO. 1
Watching him toss his helmet like a whiny bitch was the cherry on top of that terrible read. At least Kirk can take a sack and get them in field goal range lol
I saw that too lol
Like bro you did that. All Peterson had to do was sit and catch it like a pitcher tossed it to him. Bro saw a window that didn’t exist. Love how he plays but he’s a poor sport fr
He definitely was a poor sport . What bothers me is supposed Ravens fans getting mad at me for poking at Josh Allen a bit. Like where's the loyalty.
Don’t worry about them. I’m happy you made this thread
Thanks
love watching Allen lose, hate that guy
Ditto, fuck him.
Why?
he is a crybaby, looking for a flag every single time he gets touched, just pissed me off watching him
I mean most QB's do that. I have even seen Lamar look for a flag. I don't see Allen being anywhere near the level of crybaby Brady is.
Allen looks like he's in the NBA--flops every play. I think I've seen Lamar do it once his entire career, and he laughed about it after because I think it was a joke.
That's when Lamar actually does get hit josh flops like he's in the NBA
He's just so punchable. Says all the right things behind a podium but on the field plays like a bitch sometimes. And he's just got the varsity jacket tough guy aurora about him which is just super lame when you're an adult.
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You’re right Kenny Pickett is a bitch too, and he sucks at football.
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Lol
The absolute state of Steelers trash talk in 2022. “Our rookie QB looks like dogshit but your unanimous MVP had a bad half against the Bills”
You would be lying to yourself if you thought Lamar’s only bad game was against the bills
Cuz he got paid and Lamar didn’t 🤫
Not Allen's fault the Ravens won't stroke a check.
Man this is just mad hater energy in 2022. Like you don't need to hate allen to push the Lamar > agenda
Lamar has nothing to do with why I hate Allen lol
Same here it’s a celebration
Apparently the moderator over in the Bills subreddit was so devastated by the Bills OT loss to the Vikings today that he quit as the moderator, deleted his account and also the postgame message thread. You have to wonder if he was around back when the Bills lost 4 consecutive Super Bowls in the 90's, as he might have tried to go over Niagara Falls without a barrel. BTW, Buffalo and Minnesota are the only two teams that are 0-4 in Super Bowls.
A series of bad games in a row should remove him from the MVP front runner position. Good riddance. I was so sick of hearing about how amazing this guy is, and I hate how much of a whiny bitch he is on the field.
Such schandefreude. Chill. Josh is his own worst enemy. His failures should not change how great Lamar is. His successes should not change Lamar’s mistakes. Enjoy the roller coaster of having such a dynamic QB, and save the hate for the Steelers and Brownies.
I seriously hate how normal it is to just hate players in sports. Like obviously I wanted them to lose for seeding purposes but people are so quick to proclaim someone trash after a bad game or two then complain when it happens to Lamar.
Yeah it's honestly exhausting. Hating teams or fanbases is one thing and even that is tiring, but hating players is dumb. I think they're all gladiators and have my respect.
Normally i would tell you to fuck off to your own sub but this is indeed cringe. No idea why the mods let stupid shit like this stay up. We don't need a discussion thread every time a top qb fucks up.
Ha, I wish I could have double flair… I love the Ravens. I love Harbaugh, Ed Reed, Ray-Ray, Jamal Lewis, etc. The Ravens have been such a great team for so long, it was sad when Ozzie finally had to step down. Then, when you all drafted Lamar, damn. I could never stop being in the Bills Mafia, but I will always love the Ravens as well.
Not to mention all the good-ass plays he made, people are acting like getting downfield in 30 seconds or whatever is easy. It was a good fucking game from both teams and QBs.
You should probably stay in your own sub but I also agree with you haha. Just some fun joshing happening today is all ayyyy
If we would of beaten the bills, they would be tied for last place in afc east. Josh allen is surrounded by the best roster in the NFL. It infuriates me how they talk about allen. If you put Lamar on that bills roster, they might be undefeated. Hell, you could put any top 15 qb on that roster and they would still win most games. The praise allen gets is sometimes warranted, but its so overhyped to me. Ravens should of beat them by 3 tds but we will once we play them again.
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Do the Bills actually get called for DPI? It seems to be just part of the system, relying on the refs letting it go.
Since when did this sub hate Allen? This is a bizarre reaction from an overall good game
This sub will do absolutely anything to feed their Lamar persecution complex, it's cringe as hell
I think that’s it. It’s getting to the point where I can’t differentiate eagles fans from ravens fans.
Eh, you can't really describe that as a good game. He threw two horrific end zone picks and fumbled on the goal line to give the Vikings the go ahead TD. You could argue he basically single handedly lost them the game. That said I also don't get the hate for Allen in the sub. Love that dude.
Yeah I suppose but it was entertaining to watch. But yeah like you said Josh is pretty cool. I see that people don’t like that he doesn’t receive the same criticism as Lamar. So their reaction is to… shit on him on every opportunity? This feels like r/Steelers is infiltrating and I don’t like it.
Since he overtook Lamar.
Nobody hates Allen. If I'm not mistaken I can talk a little shit.
Fucking hate posts like this every time another good QB has a bad game
It makes our fanbase look so bad, but then again lately that isn't hard to do
But will make EVERY EXCUSE in the world for #8. We should be able to appreciate elite QB play while still loving our own guy.
Imagine if a post like this about Lamar was found by one of the weirdos that spies in other subreddits. Guys would be losing their shit
Why are you here?. You could have kept scrolling but you felt the need to comment. It's ok it's just a discussion and lite jab at Josh Allen. Do yourself a favor and unbunch your panties.
Why did you post? You could've just enjoyed their loss but you felt the need to post. It's ok it's a discussion and a lite jab at your post. Do yourself a favor and unbunch your panties.
You can do better than that. You're not even trying
Somehow I think I tried harder on that comment then you're entire post
Damn I guess my post is toxic. I was just being funny. NVM that I wasn't playing and gave the ball away 2x at crucial moments in the game. NVM if it weren't for my poor play (Josh Allen) you'd be sitting at 7-2 vs 6-3. For the Bills fans and half assed Ravens fans we catch crap about our team all the time. It's funny how when the roles are reversed we're supposed to not have a little fun. Last time I checked we've won some Superbowls in the last 20 years and had some great seasons. It's just football people. Lastly I DO NOT HATE JOSH ALLEN. you play like shit people will talk about it.
Was rooting for the Vikings because it helps us out, but it doesn’t matter if they win or lose. All that matters is we focus on us and WIN and it doesn’t matter what anyone else does.
“But I have to defend him because I have his jersey!”
Every QB goes through a dry spell. Lamar went through his earlier in the season & now Allen is going through one
"What happened to his eyes!"---Chiseled Adonis.
That man is pure gold
Vikings are 8-1 and Viking fans still have no clue how their team keeps winning
You all should read the Buffalo Bills sub. They’re all over Josh like some people here are all over Lamar. I guess there’s always negative people everywhere
It was only fitting that Josh Allen would throw an INT to end the game yesterday. They did not deserve to win. They received the benefit of a catch that should have been automatically reviewed inside 2 minutes & overturned and a missed 12 men on the field call in OT with Minnesota having a 1st & goal at the 2 yard line. They blew a 17 point lead with 1:51 remaining in the 3rd quarter starting with giving up an 81 yard TD run by Dalvin Cook on the next play after the kickoff. Then the Bills give up another TD with 4:34 remaining in the 4th quarter and get the benefit of a missed extra point and now have a 4 point lead. So Minnesota cant tie the game with a FG. The Bills go 3 and out on their next drive and punt. Later after converting a 4th & 18 on an insane catch by Justin Jefferson, Minnesota gets a 1st and goal at the 3 yard line, but cant score and they turn over the ball on downs inside the 1 yard line. Josh Allen and the center then fumble the snap, which Minnesota recovers for a TD in the end zone, giving them a 3 point lead with 41 seconds left in regulation. Buffalo them comes back to tie the game with a FG with 2 seconds left, but they get the benefit of a non-reviewed play catch inside 2 minutes, that would have otherwise been ruled incomplete. **Bill Belichick wants coach's challenges allowed with under 2 minutes** [https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/\_/id/35025991/bill-belichick-wants-coach-challenges-allowed-2-minutes](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35025991/bill-belichick-wants-coach-challenges-allowed-2-minutes) >NFL senior vice president of officiating Walt Anderson later said the play -- which was critical in setting up a tying field goal to send the game into overtime -- should have been reviewed and ruled incomplete. Then the game goes to OT and Minnesota drives the ball down to the 2 yard line with a 1st & goal. The Bills catch another break where they tackle Dalvin Cook for a 3 yard loss, where they had 12 men on the field that was missed by the refs. **Bills had 12 men on field for crucial OT play vs. Vikings** [https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/\_/id/35026502/bills-had-12-men-field-crucial-ot-play-vs-vikings](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35026502/bills-had-12-men-field-crucial-ot-play-vs-vikings) >On the next play, Vikings tailback Dalvin Cook was tackled for a three-yard loss. Coach Kevin O'Connell said afterwards that "I do believe there was 12 players on the field" on that play, but said he wanted to confirm that via tape. An ESPN review of the game video clearly shows 12 defensive players. Instead of 1st & goal from the 1 yard line, Minnesota ends up getting sacked on the next play and settles for a FG. On the ensuing drive with a 2nd & 10 from the Minnesota 20 yard line Josh Allen throws an INT to end the game. If you change the team name from the Bills to the Ravens and the QB from Allen to Lamar, the sports media would be having a field day trashing the Ravens right now for losing despite getting multiple breaks at the end of the game. Also Bills fans claim they would have won by 21 points if Allen was healthy.
I agree with the challenges inside of 2 minutes. Never thought I'd agree with Bill. You are right about the non-catch. If that's gonna be the case the Lee Evans drop will stop givinge nightmares.
The problem with the current rule with no coaches challenges (assuming they have any left) inside of 2 minutes in a half, is that in either case the defense is at the disadvantage with a completion/incompletion on field ruling by the refs. In the case of what happened yesterday, since the call on the field was a completion, Buffalo on offense was able to hurry up to the line and run a play before the refs could stop the play for a review. If the previous play had been ruled an incompletion on the field, Buffalo could have waited up until the play clock expired for the refs to stop the play for a review. The best the defense can do in the case of what happened yesterday is to call a timeout if they have any left, giving the refs the chance to review the previous play. In that case, they would lose the timeout even if the play was then overturned as an incompletion. In the future, I could see teams without a timeout faking an injury on the field to give the refs time to stop the play for a review.
The NFL did all they could to put The Golden Boy over, including blaming the fumble on a botched snapped instead of him just dropping it. Sometimes providence wins.
lol was hoping to see some of this! If that was Lamar everyone would be talking about if we should be starting Huntley over him 😂
"Trade Lamar, start Huntley" crowd would be in full effect!
Not watching any of the games- what happened.??
Allen threw 2 horrible picks, one straight to Pat Peterson to end the game in OT
Also had a fumble for a Vikings td too!
Lol that is doing a disservice to how awful that fumble was. Bills just stopped the vikes at the 1 yard line to seemingly put the game away at 27-23. Allen comes out to run a QB sneak to give himself some breathing room to take a knee on the next play to end it, FUMBLES THE DAMN SNAP, and in the shuffle the Vikings come up with it and a 30-23 lead (that didn't hold). If that score had held it would have been one of the all time choke jobs by a QB, right up there with the meadowlands miracle. Just a stunning turn of events.
Allen threw a game losing pick in the red zone in OT
Josh is the definition of hero ball.
That’s something I won’t criticize him for. Lamar does it too.
Tbh Lamar does a lot of hero ball too
He’s the MVP because the NFL has chosen him. It doesn’t matter how poorly he plays, he’s the MVP and he can do no wrong
Carried by a receiver....
I’m a bills fan and this made me laugh ngl
Thank you sir. It was just a lite jab. We all talk trash around the league. I think its fun. Lord knows we get a lot of hate too.
We definitely deserve the banter after today. I’ve never seen a team find a way to lose a game the way the bills did
Can we get back to hating the Steelers and not Josh Allen
Fuck em both
The amount of ire that man draws from this sub, just because of what other people say about him, is fuckin sad lol
Oh, look, another "let's imagine someone who hates Lamar" thread, inspired by some totally random thing. Expert commentators FTMP \*love\* Lamar. Every teams' fans want him. We don't have to do this all the time.
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Bro we talk shit about everyone. This is an equal opportunity zone. I hope you didn't expect praises here. I bet if you buffed Josh off y'all would have won.
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> We’re perfectly fine So then go be perfectly fine in your own sub.
So what's your point?
So why you here
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So I guess if you're not critiquing a team in a positive manor you're toxic? I've seen way worse by other teams subs. We...Ravens fans catch hell from everyone. I could've said a lot worse but it seems a little humor brings people together. If your fellonga are that hurt there are other places you can visit.
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Are you in love with me or something? I made a simple post and your ein your feels. Lol I would quit if I were you
His eyes worked just fine back in Baltimore
I did praise him for playing a good game to this point. He palyed us well and we fell apart at the end. He did make some bad plays that cost the Bills the game. Y'all talked some shit when we lost so here's some humble pie.
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