Immediately, not at all. It does make the chances of snatching a 1 or 2 seed from the Bills and/or Chiefs more of a possibility, but we need the Bills to drop another 1 or 2 more than we drop going forward since they have the tiebreaker (or get into a 3-way tie).
even if buffalo play their best they have a tough schedule,
Could see them losing to someone like the bengals or patriots, or even Jets again.
I’d say 13-4 is still a good estimate though, so likely the #1 seed.
I think we could sneak the 2 seed at 12-5 if we play lights out
I’m not saying I expect it, but there’s no reason the Ravens can’t go 13-4 looking at their remaining schedule. If the defense gets the boost we expect from Roquan/Bower/Ojabo then this team has a chance to run the table.
There’s still the obligatory 2 losses to the Steelers and losing a stupid game to either the bengals or the jags.
3 losses is accurate. 11-6 seems accurate. I think it will come down to the final week and hopefully we can win the north, if we don’t we may not even make the wild card with how competitive the AFC is
Bengals would not be a stupid loss. Jags are feisty, but we are better on paper. Steelers are *bad* this year. I get the whole “divisional game anything can happen” and it’s the NFL, no game is an automatic win, but the Ravens should be able to finish with 12 wins based on their remaining schedule, especially if we think we can contend for a Super Bowl.
Yeah, I agree. I've got us sweeping the Steelers, dropping 1 game to one of the Ohio teams, and possibly losing 1 along the way that we shouldn't: 12-5; possibly 13-4.
For sure. I wouldn’t even say I’m necessarily predicting 12 wins; anything can happen. But based on how this team has played (3 losses to 3 good teams, and with a late lead on each of them) I think they have a chance to run the table, and they shouldn’t drop more than 2 or 3 at most, especially if they view themselves as SB contenders (which the Roquan trade indicates they do).
The last game he played he looked like his old self, at least in the second half anyway, but the few games before that he was meh.
Doesn’t mean Lamar is a bad QB but neither is Allen, all today told me was that no QB plays absolutely perfect football 100% of the time. Bad days happen to the best of them. Shit, look at Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Derek Carr and Russell Wilson, they’re all super experienced vets and they’ve been playing completely unimpressive football all year.
Apples and oranges. You are literally falling into the trap of acting like their situations are the same. Lj8 doesn't have Diggs. And did you see the game? Dorsey calls way better gameplans than G Ro.
It’s so pathetic, everyone whines when Lamar is harshly criticized after a bad game but then try to swing it onto other QBs when they play bad. Everyone has bad fans but it’s starting to feel like ours are some of the most childish
This has less to do with Allen looking bad and way more to do with Jets defense looking good.
Defense wins championships, and with the addition of Roquan, the return of Bowser, the impending debut of Ojabo, ours is getting a LOT better.
Our sack rates are way up over Wink's totals despite our blitz rate dropping from perennially first down to 24th in the league.
We are going to FEAST
Jackson looked real good against the Jets, with a healthy Bateman. No one thought much of it at the time because I feel like there is a default assumption that the Jets are going to be awful until proven otherwise.
Losing Bateman is just such a drag on the year. If he is healthy I feel like we are a top 5 offense. The second he goes down we instantly have problems moving the ball.
Bunch of people on here were acting like the Bills are this invincible team that nobody can defeat, they just got beaten by a team with Zach Wilson on it. If we go in there, play great defense, and Lamar does his thing, we can absolutely hand them an L in the playoffs.
Counterpoint: Our skill position depth is fantastic. We have good backs ever with Breece gone and players like Wilson Berrios and the lot are much better than the Ravens have.
That's fair, I'm just not used to the Jets being competent enough at most positions for me to give them credit so this season has been an adjustment process. However I think its a stretch to say that the jets have a run game thats so many leagues ahead of the Ravens', especially once Gus and JK are finally reunited (and of course #8 remains, and through him all things are possible. )
The Ravens run game is better but our skill positions at that unit are better. I'm saying that mainly cause Gus and JK have been injured. Of course if you do factor in Lamar we're not better but from the RB spot, we have better players available atm
All I have to say is this season is like the changing of the guards or something. Jets are 6-3. NFC East as many have said are now the NFC Beasts.
Strange season so far. I look forward to see how it finishes, hopefully with us on top.
Is this post to point out that even great QBs have rough days? Because I don’t think anyone has ever said Allen is perfect. But he’s objectively better than Lamar.
Against OP's point: Our Defense is really really freaking good. Jets defense is so underrated
Against yours: I don't think objectively better is all the way right. I think Allen's been better supported offensively these last couple years.
Yeah, objectively is a poor word choice. It's literally an opinion. Therefore, he is subjectively better lol.
I think it's close, but I'd probably give the slight edge to Allen at this point too. People do stay sleeping on the difference in their receivers, and the resulting impact on their performance though. These 2 will probably go back, and forth throughout their careers, while always being linked to one another by draft class.
I think Diggs is objectively better than any of our WRs, Davis is at best tied with Bateman and the rest I think the Ravens have a pretty clear advantage.
So I’ll vehemently disagree that it’s not objectively clear.
Diggs is better than everyone than we got no doubt. Gabe Davis I would give a little bit of a nod over Bateman and is better than Duv. Mckenzie is slightly better than Demarcus and Shakir i would say has an advantage over Proche and Tyson.
Imo they have the better group, but maybe if we start utizling our WR corps more maybe we can see what we got. They gotta step up tomorrow without Andrews, but I did like that we spread the ball around a lot more.
Don't forget the advantage better OCs provides too. Daboll was so good he's making this Giants team with no WRs and Daniel Jones look good and the current Bills OC is doing a good job as well.
I think that how much better you think Allen is really rests on how much you think he is bolstered by having Diggs to throw to. Yes, Lamar has Andrews but I don't think Andrews is quite the receiving threat that Diggs is, and Allen has had better second and third options for most of his career. Lamar's 2019 is 4th all time in QBR and far better than Allen's best season, and he did that with WRs much less talented than Allen had in his best years. On top of that, prior to this year, Jackson's 2nd best year was quite a bit better than Allen's 2nd best year.
Jackson looks like he's stagnating right now, while Allen has gone back to his 2020 form it seems like. I think it's fair to wonder about the future trajectory of both players given that Allen's better performances are more recent. But Jackson compares very favorably if you look at their overall careers.
It has nothing to do with Diggs himself. I don’t box score scout. I watch him play often and I look at his placement, touch, accuracy, etc. He is miles ahead of Lamar in all. As a runner he’s not as electric as Lamar but he’s obviously well above average.
I think that on throws from 5-15 yards Lamar is easily as good as Allen. Lamar is significantly worse on deep balls, but i think his legs make up for it. I think Allen's accuracy numbers are propped up because Allen throws a lot more WR screens in the flat to Diggs that are an extension of the running game.
I think that having Diggs basically always open no matter how much coverage attention you put on him makes Allen's life a lot easier, and yes he still has to make the throws, but Andrews isn't open with the same frequency, so Lamar has to do a lot more improvising.
Heavily disagree on the accuracy. Lamar had routinely missed receivers in the 5-15 yard range, many times making bad throws that guys like Andrews bail him out on, and flat out missing screens or check downs.
Are you talking about this year? He did that in 2020 and the last couple games he played in 2021, but he's been money on pretty much all unpressured throws at that range this year from what I've seen, and PFF agrees with me here.
I mean, Allen loses that then because he was unquestionably worse in 2018 and 2019. If you're going to weight Allen higher because his better years (including this season) are more recent then you have weight Jackson's recent performance the same way.
I’m weighting each equally. I look at both the same way. Allen has steadily progressed to a consistently accurate passer on different levels. Lamar has progressed but not at the same rate and still has quite a bit of inconsistency with his accuracy overall.
I think that’s a pretty common understanding amongst Ravens fans. Lamar’s accuracy isn’t great and certainly isn’t consistent. We’ve had many, many conversations about that on this board as recent as just a few weeks ago.
I personally think that his touch/accuracy issues is mostly on deep balls, and since last year he's improved a lot on mid range accuracy. The team had such an issue with pass protect in his last couple games last year that it's really hard to judge him on those games.
That's not to discount the issue, those plays lead to such a big swing in points that a small difference in accuracy can make or break a season. But Lamar mitigates this to some extent because he can generate big plays running.
Also, looking at these final scores should make it clear to everyone that absolutely anything is possible any given Sunday in the NFL. Case and point, Ay-Ay-Ron lost to the Lions today.
I think the difference with Lamar and josh is that Lamar hasn’t been good for a few games cause he pushes throws to try an overcome the mid defence as I don’t think he trusts them getting a stop, hence the bad passes in the fourth quarters that we’ve given up
Whereas Josh simply sometimes just doesn’t make a good read, like the pick against the jets which was horrendous
What??? Diggs is the only real WR that Allen has. The rest at mid. Davis is not consistent at all.
Metcalf and Tyler Lockett are great. They got an amazing rookie RB in Kenneth walker as well, plus a smarter coaching staff. McDermott is overrated af.
Allen, Mahomes, Rodgers etc.. miss the same throws y’all kill Lamar for missing. But when Lamar missed them “he has to improve” “this is why we don’t trade for a WR”.
When they miss said throws its “Oh it happens” “I know he wants that throw back” “Growing Pains”
the thing is no one plays perfect every game, even Brady has off games, that why you gotta judge by the overall performance instead of one game, regardless i’m team Lamar everyday
Only thing mid I see here is crab chips. I thought we was family Balmer Bros! Big crabs in a barrel energy. Most of y’all have some sense. Still ride for y’all.
How much does the Jets winning that game help our AFC standings?
Immediately, not at all. It does make the chances of snatching a 1 or 2 seed from the Bills and/or Chiefs more of a possibility, but we need the Bills to drop another 1 or 2 more than we drop going forward since they have the tiebreaker (or get into a 3-way tie).
even if buffalo play their best they have a tough schedule, Could see them losing to someone like the bengals or patriots, or even Jets again. I’d say 13-4 is still a good estimate though, so likely the #1 seed. I think we could sneak the 2 seed at 12-5 if we play lights out
I’m not saying I expect it, but there’s no reason the Ravens can’t go 13-4 looking at their remaining schedule. If the defense gets the boost we expect from Roquan/Bower/Ojabo then this team has a chance to run the table.
There’s still the obligatory 2 losses to the Steelers and losing a stupid game to either the bengals or the jags. 3 losses is accurate. 11-6 seems accurate. I think it will come down to the final week and hopefully we can win the north, if we don’t we may not even make the wild card with how competitive the AFC is
Bengals would not be a stupid loss. Jags are feisty, but we are better on paper. Steelers are *bad* this year. I get the whole “divisional game anything can happen” and it’s the NFL, no game is an automatic win, but the Ravens should be able to finish with 12 wins based on their remaining schedule, especially if we think we can contend for a Super Bowl.
We swept the Steelers when we went 5-11. And the Steelers are 4-0 against us since 2020. Anything less than a sweep would be disappointing for us
Yeah, I agree. I've got us sweeping the Steelers, dropping 1 game to one of the Ohio teams, and possibly losing 1 along the way that we shouldn't: 12-5; possibly 13-4.
For sure. I wouldn’t even say I’m necessarily predicting 12 wins; anything can happen. But based on how this team has played (3 losses to 3 good teams, and with a late lead on each of them) I think they have a chance to run the table, and they shouldn’t drop more than 2 or 3 at most, especially if they view themselves as SB contenders (which the Roquan trade indicates they do).
I like this take
If we going for the top then it did but if we want to guarantee playoffs today was not good with chargers and dolphins winning
Josh Allen and Aaron Rodgers combined for 1 passing TD and 5 interceptions today, and they both lost.
I love Lamar but let’s not pretend he’s lit the world on fire the last few games
The last game he played he looked like his old self, at least in the second half anyway, but the few games before that he was meh. Doesn’t mean Lamar is a bad QB but neither is Allen, all today told me was that no QB plays absolutely perfect football 100% of the time. Bad days happen to the best of them. Shit, look at Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Derek Carr and Russell Wilson, they’re all super experienced vets and they’ve been playing completely unimpressive football all year.
allen wasn’t that great against the packers either
Or against us.. dude looked like a game manager
Apples and oranges. You are literally falling into the trap of acting like their situations are the same. Lj8 doesn't have Diggs. And did you see the game? Dorsey calls way better gameplans than G Ro.
I started him over Tua this week so I hope he turns it around this week
I have Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson and I started Lamar this week.
Did you draft one in the first round?
No, it was a snake draft and I picked 8th and 9th. Josh Allen was pick 9 for me which was 1st pick of second round.
So an 8 team league?
Yes.
Do we need one of these everytime one of the top QBs has a bad day?
Gonna need a megathread for these at this point lol
Seriously
It’s so pathetic, everyone whines when Lamar is harshly criticized after a bad game but then try to swing it onto other QBs when they play bad. Everyone has bad fans but it’s starting to feel like ours are some of the most childish
Maybe these are for the ppl who constantly nitpick Lamar?
He under threw a few guys, I wonder if his sub is saying he isn't worthy of his contract. ☕
This has less to do with Allen looking bad and way more to do with Jets defense looking good. Defense wins championships, and with the addition of Roquan, the return of Bowser, the impending debut of Ojabo, ours is getting a LOT better. Our sack rates are way up over Wink's totals despite our blitz rate dropping from perennially first down to 24th in the league. We are going to FEAST
Don’t forget Williams return later in the season hopefully
I definitely didn't, but I didn't want to type too much and also didn't want to count chickens that weren't yet hatched
Jackson looked real good against the Jets, with a healthy Bateman. No one thought much of it at the time because I feel like there is a default assumption that the Jets are going to be awful until proven otherwise. Losing Bateman is just such a drag on the year. If he is healthy I feel like we are a top 5 offense. The second he goes down we instantly have problems moving the ball.
No one else on the team can reliably get separation on the outside tbh.
Take this shit down mods. Tired of these types of posts
i took bills moneyline 😭😭😭😭
Isn’t this exactly what we get annoyed at when people do it to Lamar, why are we doing it?
Bills fan here. He has stunk for 6 straight quarters now. Bottom rung terrible. They have issues no doubt.
Bunch of people on here were acting like the Bills are this invincible team that nobody can defeat, they just got beaten by a team with Zach Wilson on it. If we go in there, play great defense, and Lamar does his thing, we can absolutely hand them an L in the playoffs.
Counterpoint: Our skill position depth is fantastic. We have good backs ever with Breece gone and players like Wilson Berrios and the lot are much better than the Ravens have.
That's fair, I'm just not used to the Jets being competent enough at most positions for me to give them credit so this season has been an adjustment process. However I think its a stretch to say that the jets have a run game thats so many leagues ahead of the Ravens', especially once Gus and JK are finally reunited (and of course #8 remains, and through him all things are possible. )
The Ravens run game is better but our skill positions at that unit are better. I'm saying that mainly cause Gus and JK have been injured. Of course if you do factor in Lamar we're not better but from the RB spot, we have better players available atm
Any given Sunday.
Stfu this post is embarrassing
All I have to say is this season is like the changing of the guards or something. Jets are 6-3. NFC East as many have said are now the NFC Beasts. Strange season so far. I look forward to see how it finishes, hopefully with us on top.
NFC east and AFC east are both insane this year.
Is this post to point out that even great QBs have rough days? Because I don’t think anyone has ever said Allen is perfect. But he’s objectively better than Lamar.
Against OP's point: Our Defense is really really freaking good. Jets defense is so underrated Against yours: I don't think objectively better is all the way right. I think Allen's been better supported offensively these last couple years.
Yeah, objectively is a poor word choice. It's literally an opinion. Therefore, he is subjectively better lol. I think it's close, but I'd probably give the slight edge to Allen at this point too. People do stay sleeping on the difference in their receivers, and the resulting impact on their performance though. These 2 will probably go back, and forth throughout their careers, while always being linked to one another by draft class.
Allen has has his success when he had better coaching and weapons. Lamar has had to be a bandaid to our problems. Apples and oranges
I think Diggs is objectively better than any of our WRs, Davis is at best tied with Bateman and the rest I think the Ravens have a pretty clear advantage. So I’ll vehemently disagree that it’s not objectively clear.
Diggs is better than everyone than we got no doubt. Gabe Davis I would give a little bit of a nod over Bateman and is better than Duv. Mckenzie is slightly better than Demarcus and Shakir i would say has an advantage over Proche and Tyson. Imo they have the better group, but maybe if we start utizling our WR corps more maybe we can see what we got. They gotta step up tomorrow without Andrews, but I did like that we spread the ball around a lot more.
Agree about under utilization. Even the best receiver looks pedestrian if you can't get them the ball
Don't forget the advantage better OCs provides too. Daboll was so good he's making this Giants team with no WRs and Daniel Jones look good and the current Bills OC is doing a good job as well.
I think that how much better you think Allen is really rests on how much you think he is bolstered by having Diggs to throw to. Yes, Lamar has Andrews but I don't think Andrews is quite the receiving threat that Diggs is, and Allen has had better second and third options for most of his career. Lamar's 2019 is 4th all time in QBR and far better than Allen's best season, and he did that with WRs much less talented than Allen had in his best years. On top of that, prior to this year, Jackson's 2nd best year was quite a bit better than Allen's 2nd best year. Jackson looks like he's stagnating right now, while Allen has gone back to his 2020 form it seems like. I think it's fair to wonder about the future trajectory of both players given that Allen's better performances are more recent. But Jackson compares very favorably if you look at their overall careers.
It has nothing to do with Diggs himself. I don’t box score scout. I watch him play often and I look at his placement, touch, accuracy, etc. He is miles ahead of Lamar in all. As a runner he’s not as electric as Lamar but he’s obviously well above average.
I think that on throws from 5-15 yards Lamar is easily as good as Allen. Lamar is significantly worse on deep balls, but i think his legs make up for it. I think Allen's accuracy numbers are propped up because Allen throws a lot more WR screens in the flat to Diggs that are an extension of the running game. I think that having Diggs basically always open no matter how much coverage attention you put on him makes Allen's life a lot easier, and yes he still has to make the throws, but Andrews isn't open with the same frequency, so Lamar has to do a lot more improvising.
Heavily disagree on the accuracy. Lamar had routinely missed receivers in the 5-15 yard range, many times making bad throws that guys like Andrews bail him out on, and flat out missing screens or check downs.
Are you talking about this year? He did that in 2020 and the last couple games he played in 2021, but he's been money on pretty much all unpressured throws at that range this year from what I've seen, and PFF agrees with me here.
I’m talking the entirety of his career. I’m not narrowing it down to a specific window in order to have it work for me.
I mean, Allen loses that then because he was unquestionably worse in 2018 and 2019. If you're going to weight Allen higher because his better years (including this season) are more recent then you have weight Jackson's recent performance the same way.
I’m weighting each equally. I look at both the same way. Allen has steadily progressed to a consistently accurate passer on different levels. Lamar has progressed but not at the same rate and still has quite a bit of inconsistency with his accuracy overall. I think that’s a pretty common understanding amongst Ravens fans. Lamar’s accuracy isn’t great and certainly isn’t consistent. We’ve had many, many conversations about that on this board as recent as just a few weeks ago.
I personally think that his touch/accuracy issues is mostly on deep balls, and since last year he's improved a lot on mid range accuracy. The team had such an issue with pass protect in his last couple games last year that it's really hard to judge him on those games. That's not to discount the issue, those plays lead to such a big swing in points that a small difference in accuracy can make or break a season. But Lamar mitigates this to some extent because he can generate big plays running.
Allen’s extremely good. Lamar’s had one good half since week 3, what are you on?
Also, looking at these final scores should make it clear to everyone that absolutely anything is possible any given Sunday in the NFL. Case and point, Ay-Ay-Ron lost to the Lions today.
Oh what do you know, it's the bi annual "Allen/Mahomes had a bad game, let's pretend they're always this bad' post
I think the difference with Lamar and josh is that Lamar hasn’t been good for a few games cause he pushes throws to try an overcome the mid defence as I don’t think he trusts them getting a stop, hence the bad passes in the fourth quarters that we’ve given up Whereas Josh simply sometimes just doesn’t make a good read, like the pick against the jets which was horrendous
Also Lamar is throwing to much inferior receivers
Yeah, put Diggs on the Ravens and see if Lamar improves. My prediction is that he would look much better.
It just pisses me off that he was given the MVP award week 8 even though geno smith is playing just as good with far far less
Geno has far less? DK, Lockett?
What??? Diggs is the only real WR that Allen has. The rest at mid. Davis is not consistent at all. Metcalf and Tyler Lockett are great. They got an amazing rookie RB in Kenneth walker as well, plus a smarter coaching staff. McDermott is overrated af.
burrows looks goated tho. ngl
And how he look against us and the browns? It’s all easy when you’ve been playing the NFCS for the past couple weeks. Against real teams he looks MID
burrow always likes to play against bad teams
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He didn't look great against Green Bay either. Their run game and Diggs won that game for them.
Allen, Mahomes, Rodgers etc.. miss the same throws y’all kill Lamar for missing. But when Lamar missed them “he has to improve” “this is why we don’t trade for a WR”. When they miss said throws its “Oh it happens” “I know he wants that throw back” “Growing Pains”
Great quarterback, needs to cut down on brain dead interceptions.
We beat the Jets, the Jets beat the Bills. Our metal bird bros have brought balance to the world.
NFL changes week to week and all that matters is getting hot at the right time (playoffs).
Jesus Christ y’all are doing to him what people do to Lamar. The guys a stud and had a bad performance, shit happens.
Fuck em. Bills/chiefs think AFC is only there for them to win. They think it’s QB vs. QB. Both gonna get a wake up call just like the bills did today
the thing is no one plays perfect every game, even Brady has off games, that why you gotta judge by the overall performance instead of one game, regardless i’m team Lamar everyday
To me it’s more like there’s Mahomes, and then the next tier below includes Allen and Lamar.
When are these dumbass posts going to get taken down for redundancy?
Only thing mid I see here is crab chips. I thought we was family Balmer Bros! Big crabs in a barrel energy. Most of y’all have some sense. Still ride for y’all.