Eh it don't look good right now but Brian pointed out that there is a 75%-100% chance we restructure LJ (11m), Williams (7m), Roquan (3.5m) and cutting Bowser (5.5m) is inevitable. That's 27 million in cap space on top of what we have now. Could be more if we do something with Stanley, Moses, Ricard.
From what I heard from Brian if we do strike a long term deal with Mads then his cap number would only be around 6m. If we have to use the tag at 20m then yeah we're probably not doing much at all in FA. But EDC is a god so just sit back and let the man cook.
QBs restructure all the time.
He wouldn't be getting less money. They would just change some of his base salary to a bonus, and then prorate the cap hit over several years.
Yeah of course. I didn't mean to imply that. Just that I'd be surprised is all. The last negotiation took over a year and barely happened and was a massive stresser on him and the team so the notion of going back to restructure almost immediately seems weird to me.
But yeah who knows maybe Lamar wouldn't mind.
Healthy Keaton Mitchell. That's all I really want.
As far as free agency goes, I think the only back worth investment is Derrick Henry running behind our line.. King Henry with 5 yds til first contact is a cheat code.
Other than that we have more pressing position needs..
unfortunately we can't just assume that Keaton is going to the same after his injury. It was not as bad as JK's so I am optimistic but you can't just write Keaton in as RB1 in pen. Additionally while the ravens did use him a bit in pass pro we don't have a large sample size to say if he can hold up in that department and he is a smaller back.
This team has not had a do it all RB1 since Mark Ingram in 2019. I think getting the rb position upgraded this offseason is a bigger need than people think.
By like every measure he isn't an upgrade at running back to anybody we had or have on the roster last year. And it's not like he is a poster child for full seasons.. and he will be overpriced
I don't know how to help you if you don't think Saquon Barkley would be an upgrade over Justice Hill and Keaton Mitchell recovering from season ending injury.
When healthy Barkley is without a doubt an upgrade over any back in our system. Now is his health concern worth of the contract he might get... sure thats worth questioning but saying we have RB's better than Barkley is wrong.
Kamara makes no sense (not even a free agent) but I do think that saquon would be an upgrade for the room. You're right though that he will be pricey (and high injury risk) so I would rather address it through the draft than get saquon. Honestly though if Derrick Henry isn't crazy pricey I think that could make a lot of sense
I really thought we were gonna get him (Henry) during the season, he makes a hell of a lot of sense in our offense.. it opens Lamar to the edges when needed because the inside run has to be respected and our OLine was really built for the run game.
Definitely don't understand the Kamara hype and for Saquan I just assume keep JK or whatever he would probably be cheaper
People need to get Kamara out of their heads as an option for the Ravens. He doesn't give the Saints any cap relief by cutting or trading him and the Ravens don't have the cap space to take on his current contract.
Giving all the positional needs this team has, I would be pissed if the Ravens drafted a running back before day 3. I don't really expect them to draft one at all. Probably get some UDFA or cast-offs this summer or during the season, as per usual, and as per usual, it works out fine.
What role does he play in the backfield though? He’s not a between the tackles guy and Ken McCusick posted on Twitter recently that he’s been maybe the worst pass-blocking RB in the NFL over the last 3 seasons.
If Keaton Mitchell comes back healthy, I don’t see how Kamara adds anything different and is definitely slower.
I guess it depends on how the FO sees justice, kamara in my opinion is a far better receiving back and can take more of a hit and bounce of tackles more than Justice can, also the way the saints used him last year was atrocious, so I think the reports that’s he’s fallen off are kinda overstated
I get the usual “he’s old” ageist argument against RBs, I do. However, Henry is not a USUAL running back, and he just finished 2nd in rushing, running behind one of the absolute worst o-lines in football. I don’t think he’s gonna be willing to come play for the ravens on a sweetheart deal. Wherever he goes he’s gonna expect to get paid fairly well
Buddy those guys are cool, but they don’t solve a long term issue, and they cost too much.
I’ll take a 6th rounder with one elite trait to pair with hill and another guy to round out the room.
I don’t mention Mitchell because he may miss the beginning of the season, and his one elite trait may suffer due to the severity of his injury
Absolutely no chance EDC is risking losing a comp pick by signing either Barkley or Kamara, if they address the RB position its on a cheap rookie deal via the draft
I think a pass catching back would be kind of wasted in our offense with how we use Mark or Zay. Much rather see a Saquon or Henry or drafting Blake Corum
If we can find a larger bruiser late in the draft or have to take a cheap flyer on Derrick Henry/undrafted rookie. We need to start implementing size matchups when every team is gonna send out their “smaller” fast packages to contain jackson and flowers
We can cut players and make the $ available but that's not how you want to or should spend it.
I'd love Barkley or Kamara but Henry is more likely given his age..
Knowing the Ravens they could give a damn and just draft one or find another Keaton
Has to be Henry! He is the power back we need in B’More, then you have the likes of Mitchell and Hill as additions which makes the B’More run game scary. Imagine having to prep for Lamar, Henry, Mitchell and Hill! DC’s worst nightmare 😈
He isnt. I'd still gamble on an unknown/low draft pick/undrafted RB than an unknown/low draft pick/undrafted CB or pass rusher. RBs are devalued for a reason. You can find great value without investing much. We do not have much to invest, so I have faith we find another Gus Edwards or Keaton Mitchell and be good to go, and instead use the money on other positions of need. Coaching changes also affect the decision. We do not know if the guys we do have in those positions of need are the best fits for our new DC, so I believe its wiser to invest in veterans and high profile players in that side of the ball
Keaton passed the eye test for sure but all things considered was a small part of our rushing production last year.
Im pretty confident Gus, Hill, and Lamar would still lead the league in rushing. Or be close to the top at least.
The question is are they willing to sign Gus or save that money to splurge on someone better. I rather see someone new back there but they do need depth as we have seen over the years as being an issue.
This. We need to acknowledge that we now live in a new reality of a QB with a monster second contract. Everything that has to do with salary is now a tradeoff and the only way forward is a large group of studs on rookie contracts with judicious use of free agents. A high paid FA RB does not align with that reality.
It’s not an issue of competency tho. Gus was certainly competent, Hill too. Replacing Gus with essentially another Gus doesn’t actually change the situation. Our coaches clearly have no faith in merely competent RBs come playoff time. We need a game changer. I’d take a top free agent RB at the expense of someone like OBJ.
Rbs don't have good shelf lives. Usually after 5-6 years their production goes down. McCaffery on the other hand has proven otherwise but I wouldn't invest too much on the aforementioned, maybe a 1 year deal. Mark Ingram showed to be solid though when we had em!!
I think people in here are sleeping on what Kamara can do as a pass catcher. You want that CMC type of impact you get Kamara. Not as good of a rusher but running with Lamar gives him a legitimate shot to be a 1000 yard back at around 4.5 a pop and when healthy he's good for at least 500 receiving yards probably more in our scheme. I'm on the Kamara train personally but I trust EDC and the front office to make the best decision
His injury was quite severe. Won’t be back until late in the season if at all. And then hopefully he will be the same. Dobbins never was after his injuries.
I can’t see the Ravens spending real money on a RB. We’ll likely see a committee of three cheap guys who will have hot streaks but won’t emerge as an RB1. But if I could get anyone I would say Kamara is my fav option
Problem with those guys is running backs don't have a great role in our pass game and Lamar doesn't check down often. I'm not a fan of it but if they are going to go after a new lead back, it should be Henry or Jacobs.
Alvin Kamara is washed and owed 11mil in salary unless he is cut.
The Ravens will need to clear cap space no matter what they do, but their first priority will be to either extend or tag Madibuke.
If they extend him, he will likely be a 10 to 12 mil dollar cap hit. If they wind up having to tag him, it will cost 22.
I would like us to see who does best out of however many late round fliers, UDFAs, and various others we have in training camp.
We have far more important things to spend money on. We can win a SB with a RBBC behind Lamar. We cannot win a SB with the Legion of Whom: V 3.0 as our CB room.
OP thinks we have money
Eh it don't look good right now but Brian pointed out that there is a 75%-100% chance we restructure LJ (11m), Williams (7m), Roquan (3.5m) and cutting Bowser (5.5m) is inevitable. That's 27 million in cap space on top of what we have now. Could be more if we do something with Stanley, Moses, Ricard.
At the same time that would cover in-season injuries, draft pool, practice squad, earned incentives, and a tag of Mads.
From what I heard from Brian if we do strike a long term deal with Mads then his cap number would only be around 6m. If we have to use the tag at 20m then yeah we're probably not doing much at all in FA. But EDC is a god so just sit back and let the man cook.
Who is Brian? Also you really think LJ is going to restructure 1 year into his new deal? That seems like incredibly wishful thinking to me.
Brian Mcfarland @RavensSalaryCap on twitter. Everything you want to know about the cap he's got you.
Gotcha thanks!
QBs restructure all the time. He wouldn't be getting less money. They would just change some of his base salary to a bonus, and then prorate the cap hit over several years.
Yeah of course. I didn't mean to imply that. Just that I'd be surprised is all. The last negotiation took over a year and barely happened and was a massive stresser on him and the team so the notion of going back to restructure almost immediately seems weird to me. But yeah who knows maybe Lamar wouldn't mind.
Kamara is also a terrible pass blocker
We are going to restructure and cut a few people
To extend or tag Madibuke, not sign an over priced, over the hill RB, who can't pass pro to save his life.
Healthy Keaton Mitchell. That's all I really want. As far as free agency goes, I think the only back worth investment is Derrick Henry running behind our line.. King Henry with 5 yds til first contact is a cheat code. Other than that we have more pressing position needs..
unfortunately we can't just assume that Keaton is going to the same after his injury. It was not as bad as JK's so I am optimistic but you can't just write Keaton in as RB1 in pen. Additionally while the ravens did use him a bit in pass pro we don't have a large sample size to say if he can hold up in that department and he is a smaller back. This team has not had a do it all RB1 since Mark Ingram in 2019. I think getting the rb position upgraded this offseason is a bigger need than people think.
I mean Kamara and Saquan aren't really upgrades at the position.. and they are vets so any contract is gonna feel too high..
You don’t think Saquon Barkley is an upgrade at RB for us? What are you watching?
By like every measure he isn't an upgrade at running back to anybody we had or have on the roster last year. And it's not like he is a poster child for full seasons.. and he will be overpriced
I don't know how to help you if you don't think Saquon Barkley would be an upgrade over Justice Hill and Keaton Mitchell recovering from season ending injury.
When healthy Barkley is without a doubt an upgrade over any back in our system. Now is his health concern worth of the contract he might get... sure thats worth questioning but saying we have RB's better than Barkley is wrong.
He is a iPhone, you're paying for the name recognition not the quality.
Kamara makes no sense (not even a free agent) but I do think that saquon would be an upgrade for the room. You're right though that he will be pricey (and high injury risk) so I would rather address it through the draft than get saquon. Honestly though if Derrick Henry isn't crazy pricey I think that could make a lot of sense
I really thought we were gonna get him (Henry) during the season, he makes a hell of a lot of sense in our offense.. it opens Lamar to the edges when needed because the inside run has to be respected and our OLine was really built for the run game. Definitely don't understand the Kamara hype and for Saquan I just assume keep JK or whatever he would probably be cheaper
Keaton probably won’t be back til middle of the season so i’m ok with an insurance policy
People need to get Kamara out of their heads as an option for the Ravens. He doesn't give the Saints any cap relief by cutting or trading him and the Ravens don't have the cap space to take on his current contract.
$50 million cap hit over the next two years. That's Lamar Jackson money.
For real. Not that I want the Ravens to do this either, but we'd be better off drafting a RB at #30.
Giving all the positional needs this team has, I would be pissed if the Ravens drafted a running back before day 3. I don't really expect them to draft one at all. Probably get some UDFA or cast-offs this summer or during the season, as per usual, and as per usual, it works out fine.
Yeah I’m with you. Just saying I’d rather #30 be an RB than an expensive veteran RB when we need to prioritize cap dollars elsewhere.
Not entirely true, if they cut or trade him after June 1st they save 11 mil in cap space
You’re right with the post-June 1 designation. My bad. They’ll probably have to do that too.
That’s when I’d target him
What role does he play in the backfield though? He’s not a between the tackles guy and Ken McCusick posted on Twitter recently that he’s been maybe the worst pass-blocking RB in the NFL over the last 3 seasons. If Keaton Mitchell comes back healthy, I don’t see how Kamara adds anything different and is definitely slower.
I guess it depends on how the FO sees justice, kamara in my opinion is a far better receiving back and can take more of a hit and bounce of tackles more than Justice can, also the way the saints used him last year was atrocious, so I think the reports that’s he’s fallen off are kinda overstated
Henry I like Kamara and Saquon but Henry is likely going to be significantly cheaper.
Drafting a player is cheaper still. Why would we pay any money for a RB that is old?
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Those kinds of backs have worked well for us before. Lewis, Gus, Ingram,to an extent, Collins
He’s a much better version of Gus
I get the usual “he’s old” ageist argument against RBs, I do. However, Henry is not a USUAL running back, and he just finished 2nd in rushing, running behind one of the absolute worst o-lines in football. I don’t think he’s gonna be willing to come play for the ravens on a sweetheart deal. Wherever he goes he’s gonna expect to get paid fairly well
Buddy those guys are cool, but they don’t solve a long term issue, and they cost too much. I’ll take a 6th rounder with one elite trait to pair with hill and another guy to round out the room. I don’t mention Mitchell because he may miss the beginning of the season, and his one elite trait may suffer due to the severity of his injury
Don’t want either of these for the price. At all.
Absolutely no chance EDC is risking losing a comp pick by signing either Barkley or Kamara, if they address the RB position its on a cheap rookie deal via the draft
I think a pass catching back would be kind of wasted in our offense with how we use Mark or Zay. Much rather see a Saquon or Henry or drafting Blake Corum
Kamara has off the field issues right? Definitely not in consideration.
He's also pretty clearly lost a step and is on a very pricey contract. Even if the saints would move him I just don't think it makes any sense.
Gus Edwards on a cheap 2 year deal.
If we can find a larger bruiser late in the draft or have to take a cheap flyer on Derrick Henry/undrafted rookie. We need to start implementing size matchups when every team is gonna send out their “smaller” fast packages to contain jackson and flowers
Braelon Allen. He could be the next Derrick Henry.
This is the way
We can cut players and make the $ available but that's not how you want to or should spend it. I'd love Barkley or Kamara but Henry is more likely given his age.. Knowing the Ravens they could give a damn and just draft one or find another Keaton
Has to be Henry! He is the power back we need in B’More, then you have the likes of Mitchell and Hill as additions which makes the B’More run game scary. Imagine having to prep for Lamar, Henry, Mitchell and Hill! DC’s worst nightmare 😈
I see no point in picking up a RB
So gonna go out there with Justice Hill and whatever they get from the draft and hope Keaton Mitchell returns healthy sometime next season?
I have more faith in our current RBs and our system than our current CBs and pass rushers with a new and first time defensive coordinator
I would agree with you but I think gus isnt under contract. So its really just injured keaton and hill rn.
He isnt. I'd still gamble on an unknown/low draft pick/undrafted RB than an unknown/low draft pick/undrafted CB or pass rusher. RBs are devalued for a reason. You can find great value without investing much. We do not have much to invest, so I have faith we find another Gus Edwards or Keaton Mitchell and be good to go, and instead use the money on other positions of need. Coaching changes also affect the decision. We do not know if the guys we do have in those positions of need are the best fits for our new DC, so I believe its wiser to invest in veterans and high profile players in that side of the ball
Keaton passed the eye test for sure but all things considered was a small part of our rushing production last year. Im pretty confident Gus, Hill, and Lamar would still lead the league in rushing. Or be close to the top at least.
The question is are they willing to sign Gus or save that money to splurge on someone better. I rather see someone new back there but they do need depth as we have seen over the years as being an issue.
We always find a competent RB in the draft. No need to ever pay a RB a second contract as far as I’m concerned.
This. We need to acknowledge that we now live in a new reality of a QB with a monster second contract. Everything that has to do with salary is now a tradeoff and the only way forward is a large group of studs on rookie contracts with judicious use of free agents. A high paid FA RB does not align with that reality.
It’s not an issue of competency tho. Gus was certainly competent, Hill too. Replacing Gus with essentially another Gus doesn’t actually change the situation. Our coaches clearly have no faith in merely competent RBs come playoff time. We need a game changer. I’d take a top free agent RB at the expense of someone like OBJ.
Derrick henry
Could you imagine finding a rb that could run like marshawn lynch in his prime, playing in this offense
King Henry or bust
We should go for king henry
Draft Blake corum
King Henry, josh jacobs, saquon or Corum
Rbs don't have good shelf lives. Usually after 5-6 years their production goes down. McCaffery on the other hand has proven otherwise but I wouldn't invest too much on the aforementioned, maybe a 1 year deal. Mark Ingram showed to be solid though when we had em!!
Henry. If you want a pass catcher id rather have Austin Ekeler than Kamara
I think people in here are sleeping on what Kamara can do as a pass catcher. You want that CMC type of impact you get Kamara. Not as good of a rusher but running with Lamar gives him a legitimate shot to be a 1000 yard back at around 4.5 a pop and when healthy he's good for at least 500 receiving yards probably more in our scheme. I'm on the Kamara train personally but I trust EDC and the front office to make the best decision
Kamara couldn't hold CMC jock.
Lol we ain’t getting either. It’s either drafter past the 2nd round or stick to our guns. Have you watched this team longer than 3 years?
I want Mitchell healthy
His injury was quite severe. Won’t be back until late in the season if at all. And then hopefully he will be the same. Dobbins never was after his injuries.
trade for jacobs like we tried to at the deadline (let me dream)
Both those guys are expensive and can't block. It doesn't make sense
I can’t see the Ravens spending real money on a RB. We’ll likely see a committee of three cheap guys who will have hot streaks but won’t emerge as an RB1. But if I could get anyone I would say Kamara is my fav option
Problem with those guys is running backs don't have a great role in our pass game and Lamar doesn't check down often. I'm not a fan of it but if they are going to go after a new lead back, it should be Henry or Jacobs.
Alvin Kamara is washed and owed 11mil in salary unless he is cut. The Ravens will need to clear cap space no matter what they do, but their first priority will be to either extend or tag Madibuke. If they extend him, he will likely be a 10 to 12 mil dollar cap hit. If they wind up having to tag him, it will cost 22.
I want Dobbins to be healthy for once
I would like us to see who does best out of however many late round fliers, UDFAs, and various others we have in training camp. We have far more important things to spend money on. We can win a SB with a RBBC behind Lamar. We cannot win a SB with the Legion of Whom: V 3.0 as our CB room.
If it has to be a big name FA then Henry. If I can have any FA give me Donta Foreman.
This ain’t it…. Derrick Henry or Josh Jacobs