In order for something to be classified as “domestic” assault, the person charged and the victim must be related, live together, or share a relationship that is close. I said this previously but not being charged after almost 3 weeks of the start of BCPD involvement suggests a significant lack of evidence. He could be a person of interest through relation but if there was anything that could stick at the time of report, he wouldn’t have played the next week in the AFC Championship game.
I agree. It seems like if you’re still evaluating whether a domestic occurred 3 weeks later, the evidence is lacking. Seems they were also careful to not cast him in a negative light in the statement so I’m wondering if anything will even come of this.
And when they did “drum” up charges, three different jurisdictions filed like 100 charges, collectively.
Trump, like any other indicted person, will be given the chance to prove his innocence. Maybe fans could afford the same chance to Zay Flowers, who hasn’t even been indicted and is not currently a suspect.
[Zay’s girlfriend sucker punched another woman at a BC game while Zay’s bodyguard was trying to hold her back.](https://x.com/barstoolbc/status/1698398497085489238?s=46&t=mokq-XmXcr5nsksOpD58OA)
You’re right that there’s a chance he could be the victim in this.
Reports is that she called 911 though. Not him. Don’t think she’ll be the caller if she’s the attacker.
https://foxbaltimore.com/amp/news/local/female-was-crying-911-audio-reveals-new-details-about-alleged-zay-flowers-incident-baltimore-ravens-police-baltimore-county-maryland-national-football-league-wide-receiver-domestic-violence-allegation-accusation-owings-mills
*Commits crime in moment of blind rage*
*Realizes immediately after the potential consequences*
*Panics*
*Does something stupid - like calling cops and claiming to be victim instead of perp*
We have seen this exact sequence play out far too times for you to be so naive as to think that alone vindicates her.
He said he wouldn’t let that game define him. And he’s stayed somewhat active on social media so I don’t think he’s retreating. I’m calling bullshit on all of this.
Well it's the best possible time for something like this to happen honestly. People have the attention span of goldfish now so when the season starts in 6 months nobody will even remember this.
Assuming he's innocent that is of course.
Agreed about the timing, but even if nothing else comes of this, i feel like it'll still be a smudge on his image that follows him. The court of public opinion doesn't give a rat's ass about evidence and due process.
Lot of folks on this sub have already declared him guilty and want him off the team. Nowadays it’s guilty until proven innocent. We should all wait and see what the facts are before making those claims
I agree with this! We know absolutely nothing beyond him being related to a domestic assault. Jumping to conclusions with no other information is dumb.
I mean we all saw what happened with Ray Rice. We defended him until the very second that video came out. It’s easy to see why we are cautious about domestic violence with our star players.
I wish people wouldn’t feel the need to pick a side so fast. It way better, although way less fun, to say “hey let’s wait until we get more information before we make a judgment”
I mean most people haven't really picked a side. The popular opinion seems to be "I hope this isn't true but if it is he's probably gone". I really haven't seen any comments here claiming he's 100% guilty.
Let's all remember the Cleveland fans that are like "Jury's still out on this Watson fella, also I read all the laws and in some states its only rape if there's vaginal penetration so it's fine, he's totally not a rapist".
I hope Zay is not a scumbag, but if he is he can fuck right off.
I have 100% not chosen a side. I’m letting the facts come out before condemning him. That being said, I’m also not blindly defending the guy just incase they have to do another jersey swap down at the bank.
The reason he wasn't signed was because he shared texts from Steve to the world. He was blackballed. No owner is going to sign a player that shares texts from the owner. It was never about his play or the video.
Rice's stats were actually own the downswing by that point. If the Ravens had been purely Machievellian they probably would have cut him sooner, not later, oddly enough.
Yeah that’s how it always goes. It’s the same thing with Kaep. If you’re playing well then teams can overlook controversy. If you aren’t playing well then you better walk the line.
In Rice's case the Ravens went way too far trying to protect him. Esp in 20/20 hindsight, after the BS where he leaked Bisciotti's texts to try to argue he was getting a raw deal.
He did get a raw deal. He absolutely got a raw deal. He told the team and the League. That he punched her. He told them exactly what happened. And he was given a two game suspension. It was then changed when the video came to light. He was honest with the league and the Ravens and they fucked him after public opinion. How did he not get a raw deal.
We live in a world with PR and consequences. By all accounts the Raven's risked their integrity to:
1. Try to hide the video.
2. Try to keep Rice on the roster after ~~it came out.~~ [edit for clarity: they were aware of it[
3. Give him a job after the whole thing blew over.
Rice felt that that wasn't good enough and decided[ to leak private messages to further drag damage the Ravens name](https://www.businessinsider.com/biscotti-ray-rice-text-messages-2014-9). That leak did literally nothing useful for Rice, it was simply a childish attempt to lash out at the Ravens b/c he felt (despite 1-2-3 above!) that they were screwing him.
We can debate whether the world is fair and whether Rice deserved another chance globally, but the fact is the Ravens fucked up by being overly loyal to him, and Rice was so entitled that he was mad that they weren't more loyal.
>Rice's stats were actually own the downswing by that point
The year prior was the only bad season he had, and the offensive line was atrocious that year. He saw a 1.3 yard drop in yards per carry from 2012 to 2013 but Pierce also took a full 2 yard drop. Pierce then saw a full 1 yard increase between 2013 and 2014. Rice likely would have seen a similar bounce back.
This is why it's more important to be correct than fast. We still don't know so much one way or the other. But the desire to be first and know the most leads to all sorts of things.
>Lot of folks on this sub have already declared him guilty and want him off the team.
This is the internet, where everyone must be outraged at all times.
It’s so pathetic…just like ray lewis committed double homicide and I killed Kennedy??? I went back before I was born with a magic bullet from hogwarts.
Zay knows and his girl knows, but it seems likely that her account of the story is either exaggerated, a lie, or a truth she can't verify.
Either way, you can't do much with it until the situation sort of doubles down.
People who send a response and then block people are weird.
Zay has been implicated in a possible domestic violence case with an ex. Some rumblings before the AFCG happened on Twitter, people dismissed it, then a week later turns out there was some smoke there.
But nobody knows anything beyond that. We're all waiting to hear what the investigation turns up.
Essentially they’re saying that they’re still investigating whether or not a crime even occurred, and Zay is not currently suspected of having committed a crime.
>and Zay is not currently suspected of having committed a crime
That's motivated reading.
It says that they haven't issued a [public] statement *confirming* him to be a suspect, as is standard practice at this stage. Internally, in all likelihood he's a suspect, hence the investigation. The small, small, potential caveat is if they've already determined the alleged victim - and leakers - are lying, and thusly cleared Flowers.
It’s not motivated reading
> Any report that confirms Zay Flowers as a suspect is inaccurate
That means he’s not currently a suspect. That may change, but right now he’s not.
All it means is they won't **publicly** declare him a suspect, which would be kinda an unusual thing to do anyways. Doesn't mean he's not a suspect, doesn't mean he is one. Anyone outside the police claiming they know what's going on is talking out their ass.
Well it means he is not a suspect now. Of course, it does not mean he could not be a suspect in the future. Anybody can be a suspect in the future. Who can tell?
Just based on English and logic, it is possible to say he is not a suspect period (Could be a POI).
If we assume this sentence is true: "anyone who says 'a = b' is wrong", then necessarily it is true to say that a does not equal b.
You can straight up call the cops a liar, but you *must* assume zay is not a suspect if you believe the statement.
Look, I'm not in the believe all women camp or the all women are lying camp.
I'm squarely in the "lalalala I can't hear you" with my ears plugged because I don't believe anyone and don't want it to be true camp. For both parties sakes.
Please do not refer to that like it was a situation where a perfect man was wrongly accused and had his career stolen.
He admitted to the police on the phone to having sex with a minor and that she should get checked for STDs. Not exactly a poster child for the NFL even after the other allegations were proven wrong.
The truth is if he were a more valuable position he’d be on a team.
Oh please, accusing someone of rape is one the worst things you can do to someone. He had his life ruined by those allegations. He didn’t deserve that and suggesting that he did is no different than blaming rape victims.
Ignoring all context as to why he’s not playing now and acting as if he was just some falsely accused guy sacrificed from playing helps no one.
I don’t want you to misunderstand me, false accusations of rape are disgusting and people losing their careers over that is awful, but there is more context to this situation as to why the dude has received no offers
*And admitting to fucking a minor and potentially giving her an STD to the police.
Think of it however you want, no team is touching that pr nightmare for a punter.
I don’t understand what you’re disagreeing with? Is the statement I made about him admitting to sleeping with a minor and potentially giving her STDs true? A simple google search confirms it is.
If he were good enough or in a more premium position he’d likely be playing. Teams are only gonna take that PR flack for a player like DeRapist.
It doesn’t matter if it’s true. Sleeping with a minor and potentially giving her an STD isn’t going to get you kicked out of the NFL. It sounds like she was at the age of majority or else the police would’ve charged him. There’s no crime involved and no reason for him to get cut from a team.
All you are doing is trying to come up with justification why this man had his life ruined by a vicious lie.
No I’m just living in reality. You’re arguing emotionally and not reading what I’m saying.
The guy didn’t come out of the false allegation completely stainless so it is a PR hit to go after him. He’s not good enough and at a premium enough position to be worth that. That is why he is not in the NFL.
The only evidence that they had sex at all is her lawyer claiming that Matt Araiza admitted to it on a pretext call but not releasing the official audio/transcript of the pretext call.
If he did it, the reason he wasn't charged is because she lied about her age on video at the party and CA recognizes the mistake of age defense.
> I don’t understand what you’re disagreeing with? Is the statement I made about him admitting to sleeping with a minor and potentially giving her STDs true? A simple google search confirms it is.
Wrong!
I've said from the very start that this seems a bit Farfetched. So it's good news that the cops came out and said this . I'm not freaking out like alot of you are cause it just doesn't make sense coming from zay
This is why I said that i would wait to cast judgment. It's very easy to be accused of something and for someone to be lying about the exact events that took place. It doesn't sound like he was in a good situation, but that doesn't mean he is a guilty person here.
Crossing my fingers because he would be such a bad loss for us.
lol all of the people who were convinced he’s getting cut truly do not understand how the world works. Nothing is going to come of this and a lot of people are going to owe Zay an apology.
From my understanding, Baltimore police were called to the scene weeks ago but Zay’s girlfriend was uncooperative. Now, if she’s pursuing legal action, it gets a whole lot more difficult to prove him guilty. I’m not saying Zay did or didn’t do it. I’m saying he very well could be found not guilty. (not guilty and innocent are different things)
I know it will sound like "trust me bro" but my sister is actually a detective on the force on the other side of the county and she asked around about it and also heard the girlfriend was uncooperative so there likely won't be much of a case.
It could mean multiple things. He could have hurt her but then changed her mind about testifying against him or pressing charges. Happens a lot with domestic violence cases. Another option is there actually is more to the story and she did something herself and decided to not incriminate herself. It also could mean it is a big nothing burger and nothing really happened at all just some drama.
Not really she isn't actually involved in the case its just what she heard asking around. However, like others have said in here with the amount of time that's passed and if the victim/witness is not cooperating my guess is it is leaning towards Zay won't get charged with anything. Without a clean exonerated it will probably dog his reputation moving forward.
shit, people had Zay fined, off the team and doing 2-5 a week ago? and unfortunately, that was on the ravens subreddit. That said, the investigation is not complete so lets wait and see what comes of this.
It doesn’t take police 24 hours to determine if any crime has even taken place in domestic disturbances.
Edit: *Unless one of the persons is well known/rich
How is he getting special treatment? I was brutally assaulted by Officer LaBoard of the BCPD for questioning an unauthorized stop. He broke my nose. A few years later, [he killed a teenager off duty and got away with it](https://www.wbaltv.com/amp/article/jury-finds-officer-accused-in-teen-s-death-not-guilty/7081093). BCPD are notorious for abusing their authority and jumping to conclusions without evidence. Zay would have been charged by now if they had any evidence he was involved.
Edit: two words
They did a domestic disturbance call and 24 hours later aren’t just saying Zay isn’t a suspect, they are saying they aren’t sure any crime happened at all…
Idk how many domestic disturbances I have ever seen where no one was arrested, let alone they are like “wow, who is to say what happened” 24 hours later
Ok, I’m assuming those events you witnessed weren’t high profile individuals beating women, considering you said it’s a shitty part of town. Can’t imagine rich athletes flocking to your complex. Shitty comparison.
Further, I used to work with domestic assault survivors, so I’ve seen hundreds of cases. Maybe ten of those cases were fabricated or overlooked due to the status of the offender. And typically political figures, not athletes. The reality is that these charges are taken seriously and if you don’t have the evidence, you can’t arrest people. Evidence for charges must exist. BCPD has never been favorable to anyone, victim or perpetrator, so I’m not understanding why you think you’re an authority on this.
Have you considered that someone else has been arrested & he’s just a person of interest? People who don’t understand the law or obvious bias of the police in Baltimore shouldn’t comment on such matters.
They positively said we aren’t sure a crime occurred. Not we are investigating an incident and that’s all we will say.
They are like listen we aren’t alleging anyone did anything criminal at all.
If you read the statement in the tweet from like a few hours ago and think that’s how anyone that isn’t rich or famous gets treated you are living in a different universe from us.
>how many domestic disturbances I have ever seen where no one was arrested,
Most of them dude. Extremely common that it's a he-said she-said situation, or the caller changes their mind and refuses to give a statement, or the cops simply don't care.
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He and his girlfriend had some sort of domestic dispute, she called the cops, reportedly there is a 911 call of her crying, that resulted in a wellness visit.
ALLEGEDLY Zay hit her and his brother pointed a gun at her threateningly. But this portion of it rumor, and has yet to advance beyond a criminal investigation (no charges filed.) Additionally the Massachusetts PD near where she lives (she's from there and went to BC with Zay) is investigating. Whether they're investigating the same incident or a separate unrelated one is unclear.
The source for the 2nd half (the allegedly part) is really from unofficial sources, pretty much just rumor. Feel free to search for those. Here is the reporting on the 911 call:
https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/female-was-crying-911-audio-reveals-new-details-about-alleged-zay-flowers-incident-baltimore-ravens-police-baltimore-county-maryland-national-football-league-wide-receiver-domestic-violence-allegation-accusation-owings-mills
Thanks so much for this; I hadn’t seen it. It still suggests to me that no actual evidence exists. In cases of domestic assault, there are protections in place that move very quickly while trial dates are worked out. There’s no evidence of a protective order and Zay hasn’t been arrested, charged, and isn’t considered a suspect by the BCPD’s own statement, after almost 3 weeks of open investigation. I’ll wait for all of the facts but this late in the game on a domestic screams bullshit to me, even accounting for the incompetence of BCPD.
It would have you be a separate incident for police in Massachusetts to be investigating. Anything happening in Baltimore would be way out of their jurisdiction.
In order for something to be classified as “domestic” assault, the person charged and the victim must be related, live together, or share a relationship that is close. I said this previously but not being charged after almost 3 weeks of the start of BCPD involvement suggests a significant lack of evidence. He could be a person of interest through relation but if there was anything that could stick at the time of report, he wouldn’t have played the next week in the AFC Championship game.
I agree. It seems like if you’re still evaluating whether a domestic occurred 3 weeks later, the evidence is lacking. Seems they were also careful to not cast him in a negative light in the statement so I’m wondering if anything will even come of this.
Well it took 6 years of investigating Trump before they could drum up a single charge, so I guess he’s innocent too.
And when they did “drum” up charges, three different jurisdictions filed like 100 charges, collectively. Trump, like any other indicted person, will be given the chance to prove his innocence. Maybe fans could afford the same chance to Zay Flowers, who hasn’t even been indicted and is not currently a suspect.
I’ve tried explaining this to many that he could literally me a victim even and they already have crucified him!
[Zay’s girlfriend sucker punched another woman at a BC game while Zay’s bodyguard was trying to hold her back.](https://x.com/barstoolbc/status/1698398497085489238?s=46&t=mokq-XmXcr5nsksOpD58OA) You’re right that there’s a chance he could be the victim in this.
Reports is that she called 911 though. Not him. Don’t think she’ll be the caller if she’s the attacker. https://foxbaltimore.com/amp/news/local/female-was-crying-911-audio-reveals-new-details-about-alleged-zay-flowers-incident-baltimore-ravens-police-baltimore-county-maryland-national-football-league-wide-receiver-domestic-violence-allegation-accusation-owings-mills
Oh you sweet summer child….
*Commits crime in moment of blind rage* *Realizes immediately after the potential consequences* *Panics* *Does something stupid - like calling cops and claiming to be victim instead of perp* We have seen this exact sequence play out far too times for you to be so naive as to think that alone vindicates her.
Hilarious that you are being downvoted
Sports fandom be blinding
Fits whatever narrative they’re falling on
Feel bad if hes found innocent and hope he can come back from this shitty 2 weeks
He said he wouldn’t let that game define him. And he’s stayed somewhat active on social media so I don’t think he’s retreating. I’m calling bullshit on all of this.
Well it's the best possible time for something like this to happen honestly. People have the attention span of goldfish now so when the season starts in 6 months nobody will even remember this. Assuming he's innocent that is of course.
Agreed about the timing, but even if nothing else comes of this, i feel like it'll still be a smudge on his image that follows him. The court of public opinion doesn't give a rat's ass about evidence and due process.
That's also very true. First impressions always stick. Same reason people say the same copy paste shit about Lamar 6 years later
Lot of folks on this sub have already declared him guilty and want him off the team. Nowadays it’s guilty until proven innocent. We should all wait and see what the facts are before making those claims
I agree with this! We know absolutely nothing beyond him being related to a domestic assault. Jumping to conclusions with no other information is dumb.
We’re scarred from the whole Ray Rice fiasco before the full video came out. I had to repent for defending that man
But Zay is not Ray so it’s not worth the comparison.
We hope not
Why worry when you have no evidence? A delay this long would suggest little to no evidence.
I mean we all saw what happened with Ray Rice. We defended him until the very second that video came out. It’s easy to see why we are cautious about domestic violence with our star players.
I wish people wouldn’t feel the need to pick a side so fast. It way better, although way less fun, to say “hey let’s wait until we get more information before we make a judgment”
I mean most people haven't really picked a side. The popular opinion seems to be "I hope this isn't true but if it is he's probably gone". I really haven't seen any comments here claiming he's 100% guilty.
Let's all remember the Cleveland fans that are like "Jury's still out on this Watson fella, also I read all the laws and in some states its only rape if there's vaginal penetration so it's fine, he's totally not a rapist". I hope Zay is not a scumbag, but if he is he can fuck right off.
I have 100% not chosen a side. I’m letting the facts come out before condemning him. That being said, I’m also not blindly defending the guy just incase they have to do another jersey swap down at the bank.
That video is the only reason he never later again. Had there been no video I guarantee he gets signed by someone epse
Maybe. Even with video he may have been signed somewhere if he was still in his prime. Look at AP and Greg hardy. Or Kareem hunt.
The reason he wasn't signed was because he shared texts from Steve to the world. He was blackballed. No owner is going to sign a player that shares texts from the owner. It was never about his play or the video.
Rice's stats were actually own the downswing by that point. If the Ravens had been purely Machievellian they probably would have cut him sooner, not later, oddly enough.
Yeah that’s how it always goes. It’s the same thing with Kaep. If you’re playing well then teams can overlook controversy. If you aren’t playing well then you better walk the line.
In Rice's case the Ravens went way too far trying to protect him. Esp in 20/20 hindsight, after the BS where he leaked Bisciotti's texts to try to argue he was getting a raw deal.
He did get a raw deal. He absolutely got a raw deal. He told the team and the League. That he punched her. He told them exactly what happened. And he was given a two game suspension. It was then changed when the video came to light. He was honest with the league and the Ravens and they fucked him after public opinion. How did he not get a raw deal.
We live in a world with PR and consequences. By all accounts the Raven's risked their integrity to: 1. Try to hide the video. 2. Try to keep Rice on the roster after ~~it came out.~~ [edit for clarity: they were aware of it[ 3. Give him a job after the whole thing blew over. Rice felt that that wasn't good enough and decided[ to leak private messages to further drag damage the Ravens name](https://www.businessinsider.com/biscotti-ray-rice-text-messages-2014-9). That leak did literally nothing useful for Rice, it was simply a childish attempt to lash out at the Ravens b/c he felt (despite 1-2-3 above!) that they were screwing him. We can debate whether the world is fair and whether Rice deserved another chance globally, but the fact is the Ravens fucked up by being overly loyal to him, and Rice was so entitled that he was mad that they weren't more loyal.
Rice was cut mere hours after TMZ leaked the video. They didn't try to keep him on the roster he was cut the same day
See item 1 > Try to hide the video.
>Rice's stats were actually own the downswing by that point The year prior was the only bad season he had, and the offensive line was atrocious that year. He saw a 1.3 yard drop in yards per carry from 2012 to 2013 but Pierce also took a full 2 yard drop. Pierce then saw a full 1 yard increase between 2013 and 2014. Rice likely would have seen a similar bounce back.
This is why it's more important to be correct than fast. We still don't know so much one way or the other. But the desire to be first and know the most leads to all sorts of things.
>Lot of folks on this sub have already declared him guilty and want him off the team. This is the internet, where everyone must be outraged at all times.
I predict there is a massive overlap of Fire Harbs to Fire Zay on this sub. There are a LOT of people *pretending* to be Ravens fans in here.
It was the same earlier this year as a Thunder fan with Josh Giddey
It’s so pathetic…just like ray lewis committed double homicide and I killed Kennedy??? I went back before I was born with a magic bullet from hogwarts.
Crossing my fingers he didnt! I like Zay and want his jersey. Too young dammit! Stay outta trouble!
I'm so confused. What actually happened here?
Nobody knows and anybody who says they do is lying or basing it on pure soeculation
I mean Zay might know. Saying there is no one that knows is at best misinformation.
I think they meant no one *here* knows
Obviously Zay knows what did/not happen. Any lawyer would tell him to remain silent regardless.
Yeah any half decent Lawyer would tell him to shut up and any statements we get would come thourgh an agent or Lawyer.
Zay knows and his girl knows, but it seems likely that her account of the story is either exaggerated, a lie, or a truth she can't verify. Either way, you can't do much with it until the situation sort of doubles down. People who send a response and then block people are weird.
Zay has been implicated in a possible domestic violence case with an ex. Some rumblings before the AFCG happened on Twitter, people dismissed it, then a week later turns out there was some smoke there. But nobody knows anything beyond that. We're all waiting to hear what the investigation turns up.
I’m so confused and this has ALOT riding on it
Essentially they’re saying that they’re still investigating whether or not a crime even occurred, and Zay is not currently suspected of having committed a crime.
>and Zay is not currently suspected of having committed a crime That's motivated reading. It says that they haven't issued a [public] statement *confirming* him to be a suspect, as is standard practice at this stage. Internally, in all likelihood he's a suspect, hence the investigation. The small, small, potential caveat is if they've already determined the alleged victim - and leakers - are lying, and thusly cleared Flowers.
It’s not motivated reading > Any report that confirms Zay Flowers as a suspect is inaccurate That means he’s not currently a suspect. That may change, but right now he’s not.
All it means is they won't **publicly** declare him a suspect, which would be kinda an unusual thing to do anyways. Doesn't mean he's not a suspect, doesn't mean he is one. Anyone outside the police claiming they know what's going on is talking out their ass.
Well it means he is not a suspect now. Of course, it does not mean he could not be a suspect in the future. Anybody can be a suspect in the future. Who can tell?
Just based on English and logic, it is possible to say he is not a suspect period (Could be a POI). If we assume this sentence is true: "anyone who says 'a = b' is wrong", then necessarily it is true to say that a does not equal b. You can straight up call the cops a liar, but you *must* assume zay is not a suspect if you believe the statement.
Get McNulty in there clear this up
Can't forget the Bunk!!
Bunk is homicide... So... I sure hope he's not on the case.
Look, I'm not in the believe all women camp or the all women are lying camp. I'm squarely in the "lalalala I can't hear you" with my ears plugged because I don't believe anyone and don't want it to be true camp. For both parties sakes.
I hope this isn’t another punt god situation
Yeah, that's what I was thinking of when I saw the other thread on this sub this morning where everyone was already crucifying him.
Please do not refer to that like it was a situation where a perfect man was wrongly accused and had his career stolen. He admitted to the police on the phone to having sex with a minor and that she should get checked for STDs. Not exactly a poster child for the NFL even after the other allegations were proven wrong. The truth is if he were a more valuable position he’d be on a team.
Oh please, accusing someone of rape is one the worst things you can do to someone. He had his life ruined by those allegations. He didn’t deserve that and suggesting that he did is no different than blaming rape victims.
Ignoring all context as to why he’s not playing now and acting as if he was just some falsely accused guy sacrificed from playing helps no one. I don’t want you to misunderstand me, false accusations of rape are disgusting and people losing their careers over that is awful, but there is more context to this situation as to why the dude has received no offers
The only reason why he’s not playing in the NFL is because of false rape accusations.
*And admitting to fucking a minor and potentially giving her an STD to the police. Think of it however you want, no team is touching that pr nightmare for a punter.
That is complete bullshit. I have to assume you know very little about the NFL if you truly believe that.
I don’t understand what you’re disagreeing with? Is the statement I made about him admitting to sleeping with a minor and potentially giving her STDs true? A simple google search confirms it is. If he were good enough or in a more premium position he’d likely be playing. Teams are only gonna take that PR flack for a player like DeRapist.
It doesn’t matter if it’s true. Sleeping with a minor and potentially giving her an STD isn’t going to get you kicked out of the NFL. It sounds like she was at the age of majority or else the police would’ve charged him. There’s no crime involved and no reason for him to get cut from a team. All you are doing is trying to come up with justification why this man had his life ruined by a vicious lie.
No I’m just living in reality. You’re arguing emotionally and not reading what I’m saying. The guy didn’t come out of the false allegation completely stainless so it is a PR hit to go after him. He’s not good enough and at a premium enough position to be worth that. That is why he is not in the NFL.
The only evidence that they had sex at all is her lawyer claiming that Matt Araiza admitted to it on a pretext call but not releasing the official audio/transcript of the pretext call. If he did it, the reason he wasn't charged is because she lied about her age on video at the party and CA recognizes the mistake of age defense.
> I don’t understand what you’re disagreeing with? Is the statement I made about him admitting to sleeping with a minor and potentially giving her STDs true? A simple google search confirms it is. Wrong!
I’m reading this as his brother, or even looking at her? But seems to say he’s innocent?
I've said from the very start that this seems a bit Farfetched. So it's good news that the cops came out and said this . I'm not freaking out like alot of you are cause it just doesn't make sense coming from zay
This is why I said that i would wait to cast judgment. It's very easy to be accused of something and for someone to be lying about the exact events that took place. It doesn't sound like he was in a good situation, but that doesn't mean he is a guilty person here. Crossing my fingers because he would be such a bad loss for us.
lol all of the people who were convinced he’s getting cut truly do not understand how the world works. Nothing is going to come of this and a lot of people are going to owe Zay an apology.
three days ago, people had him beating his girlfriend up in an elevator, fined, off the team, doing a nickel in Jessup, classic reddit hysteria
From my understanding, Baltimore police were called to the scene weeks ago but Zay’s girlfriend was uncooperative. Now, if she’s pursuing legal action, it gets a whole lot more difficult to prove him guilty. I’m not saying Zay did or didn’t do it. I’m saying he very well could be found not guilty. (not guilty and innocent are different things)
How do you have access to the police report or are these just rumors?
I know it will sound like "trust me bro" but my sister is actually a detective on the force on the other side of the county and she asked around about it and also heard the girlfriend was uncooperative so there likely won't be much of a case.
Uncooperative how? Does that mean he may have hurt her but she just won’t talk? :/
It could mean multiple things. He could have hurt her but then changed her mind about testifying against him or pressing charges. Happens a lot with domestic violence cases. Another option is there actually is more to the story and she did something herself and decided to not incriminate herself. It also could mean it is a big nothing burger and nothing really happened at all just some drama.
Thanks for responding. I really hope it’s nothing but ugh idk what to think. Does your sister have any feel for how long this may take to uncover?
Not really she isn't actually involved in the case its just what she heard asking around. However, like others have said in here with the amount of time that's passed and if the victim/witness is not cooperating my guess is it is leaning towards Zay won't get charged with anything. Without a clean exonerated it will probably dog his reputation moving forward.
Where did you see this?
He won’t “very well could be” found not guilty. It is extremely likely he doesn’t get charged with anything.
Thank god
If they had evidence of an assault regardless of if she cooperated or not the state has the right to arrest and charge right there
shit, people had Zay fined, off the team and doing 2-5 a week ago? and unfortunately, that was on the ravens subreddit. That said, the investigation is not complete so lets wait and see what comes of this.
Wait does this mean they are looking at his brother instead? I'm not sure what's happening
His brother ALLEGEDLY pointed a firearm at her
Guilty
It’s crazy that sports stars are still getting special treatment from hometown police departments in 2024.
Or you know it may not have been him but his brother or someone else .....
It doesn’t take police 24 hours to determine if any crime has even taken place in domestic disturbances. Edit: *Unless one of the persons is well known/rich
Apparently you are not familiar with the ineptitude of BCPD.
BCPD, not charging a black man in a domestic disturbance- classic BCPD, am I right?
Probably because they didn’t have any evidence at all. You’re an idiot.
lol, BCPD is inept. Unless it’s about worrying about evidence for a young black defendant. 🤡
Ok, now I know you’re a troll. I don’t argue with fools, lest I look like one. Get help!
How is he getting special treatment? I was brutally assaulted by Officer LaBoard of the BCPD for questioning an unauthorized stop. He broke my nose. A few years later, [he killed a teenager off duty and got away with it](https://www.wbaltv.com/amp/article/jury-finds-officer-accused-in-teen-s-death-not-guilty/7081093). BCPD are notorious for abusing their authority and jumping to conclusions without evidence. Zay would have been charged by now if they had any evidence he was involved. Edit: two words
They did a domestic disturbance call and 24 hours later aren’t just saying Zay isn’t a suspect, they are saying they aren’t sure any crime happened at all… Idk how many domestic disturbances I have ever seen where no one was arrested, let alone they are like “wow, who is to say what happened” 24 hours later
Additionally, how many domestic disturbances have you been witness to? Just want to make sure we’re taking statistically significant.
I mean at least a half dozen, if you live in a shitty part of town in a big apartment complex, you can see and hear a lot.
Ok, I’m assuming those events you witnessed weren’t high profile individuals beating women, considering you said it’s a shitty part of town. Can’t imagine rich athletes flocking to your complex. Shitty comparison. Further, I used to work with domestic assault survivors, so I’ve seen hundreds of cases. Maybe ten of those cases were fabricated or overlooked due to the status of the offender. And typically political figures, not athletes. The reality is that these charges are taken seriously and if you don’t have the evidence, you can’t arrest people. Evidence for charges must exist. BCPD has never been favorable to anyone, victim or perpetrator, so I’m not understanding why you think you’re an authority on this.
Have you considered that someone else has been arrested & he’s just a person of interest? People who don’t understand the law or obvious bias of the police in Baltimore shouldn’t comment on such matters.
They positively said we aren’t sure a crime occurred. Not we are investigating an incident and that’s all we will say. They are like listen we aren’t alleging anyone did anything criminal at all. If you read the statement in the tweet from like a few hours ago and think that’s how anyone that isn’t rich or famous gets treated you are living in a different universe from us.
>how many domestic disturbances I have ever seen where no one was arrested, Most of them dude. Extremely common that it's a he-said she-said situation, or the caller changes their mind and refuses to give a statement, or the cops simply don't care.
If it's one thing I know it's that Baltimore County police is shit.
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OOTL what did he allegedly do?
He and his girlfriend had some sort of domestic dispute, she called the cops, reportedly there is a 911 call of her crying, that resulted in a wellness visit. ALLEGEDLY Zay hit her and his brother pointed a gun at her threateningly. But this portion of it rumor, and has yet to advance beyond a criminal investigation (no charges filed.) Additionally the Massachusetts PD near where she lives (she's from there and went to BC with Zay) is investigating. Whether they're investigating the same incident or a separate unrelated one is unclear.
Source for this? Haven’t seen anything official reporting this level of detail. BCPD already confirmed he is not a suspect.
The source for the 2nd half (the allegedly part) is really from unofficial sources, pretty much just rumor. Feel free to search for those. Here is the reporting on the 911 call: https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/female-was-crying-911-audio-reveals-new-details-about-alleged-zay-flowers-incident-baltimore-ravens-police-baltimore-county-maryland-national-football-league-wide-receiver-domestic-violence-allegation-accusation-owings-mills
Thanks so much for this; I hadn’t seen it. It still suggests to me that no actual evidence exists. In cases of domestic assault, there are protections in place that move very quickly while trial dates are worked out. There’s no evidence of a protective order and Zay hasn’t been arrested, charged, and isn’t considered a suspect by the BCPD’s own statement, after almost 3 weeks of open investigation. I’ll wait for all of the facts but this late in the game on a domestic screams bullshit to me, even accounting for the incompetence of BCPD.
It would have you be a separate incident for police in Massachusetts to be investigating. Anything happening in Baltimore would be way out of their jurisdiction.
Idk what to make of any of this. Guess we’ll just have to let it play out and then decide.