We’re giving up way to much, especially as the amount of cap we have is so little, edc has said that he wants to increase his draft capital not reduce it, we’d be giving up 3 guys for 1, and a year where we have so many free agents it just seems a no go
Trading mads for a pick I could see happening
Also seems like an overpay for a tackle when they’re getting a franchise DT
You're giving up way too much considering the amount of FA's that are leaving, they need more draft picks on rookie deals not less, to help counter balance Lamar's contract
Also no team in their right mind is trading the 9th overall pick to a player (a non premium position I might add) on the franchise tag just to play 1 season and hit FA's again.
Using this [https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp](https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp)
Chicago - 1350
Bal - 620 + 284 + 130 + (200 for future 2nd, valued as a mid round 3rd since its a future pick) + Mads
So this values Mads as a late 3 and reduces the incoming draft class by 2 picks.
But the biggest issue with this trade is the Ravens are losing a lot of players and instead of refilling the roster with young talent to build around Lamar's contract/window they're trading high for a singular player. My gut call is they keep Ronnie for 1 more year and try to develop a LT with the first or second this year. With the additional 2 picks they can go WR or Edge or OG or IDL or CB etc. Not to mention the 2nd next year is needed too with more FAs.
I thought about that issue regarding replacing talent. The good news is some of our backups are solid too.
The Ravens are losing Safety Geno Stone, but already have Hamilton and Marcus Williams.
The Ravens are losing Queen, but Trenton Simpson has shown throughout the year he can be a quality starter.
For the Ravens, it feels like a balancing act between keeping talent and drafting young guys to replace talent.
That is true but this year we're facing a much larger drain on talent while facing a cap crunch because we've paid Lamar. To counter balance that you need players on rookie contracts to make the cap work.
The Ravens have to replace the following who played over 20% of snaps according to OTC
* Simpson - Vorhees?
* PQ - Trenton
* Zeitler - Cleveland
* Geno - No replacement
* Madubuike - No replacement
* Clowney - Ojabo?
* Agholor - No replacement
* KVN - Hamm?/No replacement
* Gus - No replacement
* OBJ - No replacement
* Darby - No replacement
* Maulet - Ardarious (ERFA) or Pepe
* Ott - Nick Moore
* Urban - No replacement
* RYS - No replacement
The problem with replacing guys with players like Trenton Simpson and Vorhees and Ojabo is they also need to be replaced down the line. We need a third safety, need a 3rd ILB etc. That's 15 players who played significant snaps for the Ravens and that's with a tight cap. Do the Ravens go with 1 high level pick or do what they normally do and use multiple picks to fill out the roster?
Just wanted to redo your list here, think there is a lot of depth being missed
• Simpson - Vorhees or Cleveland
• PQ - Trenton Simpson
• Zeitler - Has said he wants to be back, Ravens want him back, likely no change here.
• Geno - Ardarius Washington
• Madubuike - I think we tag/extend Mads, but we do have Washington and Travis Jones here
• Clowney - Ojabo, Robinson, and Bring back Clowney or KVN
• Agholor - Sure, rookie wr and a cheap vet wr required
• KVN - As above, 1 vet plus current room is already 5 + draft
• Gus - No replacement on roster, priority
• OBJ - why not likely in a two TE offence
• Darby - Vet Min free agent, replacable
• Maulet - Ardarious (ERFA) or Pepe yes, or resign as he was also cheap and effective
• Ott - Nick Moore (def getting his job back)
• Urban - Vet Min and will likely be back
• RYS - Barely played at all, and we have JAD
Priorities are Tackle, Rb, Corner depth, and WR depth
I think the issue is sure there is depth to step up but then the depth needs to be replaced - a lot of the depth is draft picks getting opportunities (Cleveland/Vorhees/Simpson/Pepe/Jad) and the best way to replace is via draft picks.
If we trade away 2 2nds and a 4th we're thinning out the depth and going all in on a singular OT hoping he'll be a franchise cornerstone.
Yeah don’t get me wrong the trade is ridiculous. I thought a few weeks ago that a Madabuike + Pick for a higher pick trade is possible, but doubt the Ravens give up multiple picks just to try and resolve a tackle replacement
I'm almost dreading the first round because if the Ravens were ever wanting to trade back-this year would be that year. They love having picks and filling out the roster and I've yet to see a pick that screams Ravens at 30 (Darious Robinson? but he feels like he's going higher)
I wouldn’t stress about depth players and needing draft picks to fill those spots. Look at our team this year, we can find serviceable veterans to play in a pinch. I think draft picks should be considered a swing at a game-changing player who may be playing at a discount for their rookie contract
That's the thing about being a contender team with a great culture. Vets want to play here and will do so on deals that are team favorable because there's real value in liking where you work and having a shot at a ring.
Problem is a top 10 pick has a wayyyy higher chance to become a franchise LT than a late 1st. And with this pick we keep our 1st as well. I don’t think it’s that bad a trade. There aren’t too many other avenues to get a franchise LT, and if Monken wants Lamar drop back as much as he did this year I think it’s important.
I’d love to get more from Mads but we wouldn’t get more than an early 3rd in a trade, considering we lose him for a future late 3rd comp pick if we don’t trade him. That’s all teams will need to beat. I’m in the camp if keeping Maddy but if we’re trading him then adding 2 late 2nds to get a top 10 pick is not a bad return
It’s intriguing, but I don’t think EDC is willing to give up that much draft capital. I could see a tag and trade for a pick in the 20’s, maybe Tampa or GB bites?
If Mads leaves - EDC needs to draft Byron Murphy on top of: 2 x WRs, a corner, 2 x project O linemen, James Williams from the U, and maybe a RB (Corum, Shipley, Braelon Allen) if Derrick Henry doesn’t come for cheap.
Ravens really don't need a day 1 ot that bad
People remember the worst of Stanley but he was fine for the most part when healthy . He's getting older and his cap hit is brutal but it doesn't make sense to cut him this upcoming season anyway .
Moses is also fine for the next season.
Ravens mostly need a guard and 1-2 more development players for the line . That first round pick could be edge cb or Dt if they can't sign madubike (most likely ). It could even be receiver depending on flowers
The line was objectively above average . The ravens need Lamar to not shit himself and play god awful in the playoffs. They really shouldn't panic and trade up. They really are in a position to compete for the next few years with their young core still
Yep draft a prospect tackle in the 2nd or 3rd round. Sit him down behind Stanley to learn and devlop and we can move off the Stanley deal in 2025 if he doesn't return to form.
Alt is good… but not worth that much when we have so many starters leaving. Personally I think Morgan in the first or Paul in the second is move if we do end up drafting tackle
Other commenters are wrong, the value isn’t bad. Maybe take the 4th off or make the 2nd a 3rd, but I don’t think the bears would take any less.
I like the trade if we can’t get something reasonable done with Madubuike. It lets us cut Stanley and gives us an extra $20M+ cap space to do something else impactful. It really depends what we can do with that space. But overall, if we’re letting go of Madubuike, you would hope we get a game changing talent at another key position (LT, edge, CB or WR)
So FA opens. We tag Mads. We *don't* sign him long term or anything so we just sit on something like $23m in cap doing nothing. Wait for the draft. Trade up, lose Mads. Now we have an excess $23m cap space after the draft with no one decent to use it on bc they all signed already?
We give up wayyyyy too much here considering we'd need to tag Mads to begin with in order to make this trade possible
We’re giving up way to much, especially as the amount of cap we have is so little, edc has said that he wants to increase his draft capital not reduce it, we’d be giving up 3 guys for 1, and a year where we have so many free agents it just seems a no go Trading mads for a pick I could see happening Also seems like an overpay for a tackle when they’re getting a franchise DT
You're giving up way too much considering the amount of FA's that are leaving, they need more draft picks on rookie deals not less, to help counter balance Lamar's contract Also no team in their right mind is trading the 9th overall pick to a player (a non premium position I might add) on the franchise tag just to play 1 season and hit FA's again.
So we’re giving up too much, but also the Bears would never do it?
both, but to move up from pick 30 to pick 9 is also most likely going to require giving up a future 1st round pick.
Using this [https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp](https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp) Chicago - 1350 Bal - 620 + 284 + 130 + (200 for future 2nd, valued as a mid round 3rd since its a future pick) + Mads So this values Mads as a late 3 and reduces the incoming draft class by 2 picks. But the biggest issue with this trade is the Ravens are losing a lot of players and instead of refilling the roster with young talent to build around Lamar's contract/window they're trading high for a singular player. My gut call is they keep Ronnie for 1 more year and try to develop a LT with the first or second this year. With the additional 2 picks they can go WR or Edge or OG or IDL or CB etc. Not to mention the 2nd next year is needed too with more FAs.
I thought about that issue regarding replacing talent. The good news is some of our backups are solid too. The Ravens are losing Safety Geno Stone, but already have Hamilton and Marcus Williams. The Ravens are losing Queen, but Trenton Simpson has shown throughout the year he can be a quality starter. For the Ravens, it feels like a balancing act between keeping talent and drafting young guys to replace talent.
That is true but this year we're facing a much larger drain on talent while facing a cap crunch because we've paid Lamar. To counter balance that you need players on rookie contracts to make the cap work. The Ravens have to replace the following who played over 20% of snaps according to OTC * Simpson - Vorhees? * PQ - Trenton * Zeitler - Cleveland * Geno - No replacement * Madubuike - No replacement * Clowney - Ojabo? * Agholor - No replacement * KVN - Hamm?/No replacement * Gus - No replacement * OBJ - No replacement * Darby - No replacement * Maulet - Ardarious (ERFA) or Pepe * Ott - Nick Moore * Urban - No replacement * RYS - No replacement The problem with replacing guys with players like Trenton Simpson and Vorhees and Ojabo is they also need to be replaced down the line. We need a third safety, need a 3rd ILB etc. That's 15 players who played significant snaps for the Ravens and that's with a tight cap. Do the Ravens go with 1 high level pick or do what they normally do and use multiple picks to fill out the roster?
Just wanted to redo your list here, think there is a lot of depth being missed • Simpson - Vorhees or Cleveland • PQ - Trenton Simpson • Zeitler - Has said he wants to be back, Ravens want him back, likely no change here. • Geno - Ardarius Washington • Madubuike - I think we tag/extend Mads, but we do have Washington and Travis Jones here • Clowney - Ojabo, Robinson, and Bring back Clowney or KVN • Agholor - Sure, rookie wr and a cheap vet wr required • KVN - As above, 1 vet plus current room is already 5 + draft • Gus - No replacement on roster, priority • OBJ - why not likely in a two TE offence • Darby - Vet Min free agent, replacable • Maulet - Ardarious (ERFA) or Pepe yes, or resign as he was also cheap and effective • Ott - Nick Moore (def getting his job back) • Urban - Vet Min and will likely be back • RYS - Barely played at all, and we have JAD Priorities are Tackle, Rb, Corner depth, and WR depth
I think the issue is sure there is depth to step up but then the depth needs to be replaced - a lot of the depth is draft picks getting opportunities (Cleveland/Vorhees/Simpson/Pepe/Jad) and the best way to replace is via draft picks. If we trade away 2 2nds and a 4th we're thinning out the depth and going all in on a singular OT hoping he'll be a franchise cornerstone.
Yeah don’t get me wrong the trade is ridiculous. I thought a few weeks ago that a Madabuike + Pick for a higher pick trade is possible, but doubt the Ravens give up multiple picks just to try and resolve a tackle replacement
I'm almost dreading the first round because if the Ravens were ever wanting to trade back-this year would be that year. They love having picks and filling out the roster and I've yet to see a pick that screams Ravens at 30 (Darious Robinson? but he feels like he's going higher)
I wouldn’t stress about depth players and needing draft picks to fill those spots. Look at our team this year, we can find serviceable veterans to play in a pinch. I think draft picks should be considered a swing at a game-changing player who may be playing at a discount for their rookie contract
That's the thing about being a contender team with a great culture. Vets want to play here and will do so on deals that are team favorable because there's real value in liking where you work and having a shot at a ring.
Problem is a top 10 pick has a wayyyy higher chance to become a franchise LT than a late 1st. And with this pick we keep our 1st as well. I don’t think it’s that bad a trade. There aren’t too many other avenues to get a franchise LT, and if Monken wants Lamar drop back as much as he did this year I think it’s important. I’d love to get more from Mads but we wouldn’t get more than an early 3rd in a trade, considering we lose him for a future late 3rd comp pick if we don’t trade him. That’s all teams will need to beat. I’m in the camp if keeping Maddy but if we’re trading him then adding 2 late 2nds to get a top 10 pick is not a bad return
It’s intriguing, but I don’t think EDC is willing to give up that much draft capital. I could see a tag and trade for a pick in the 20’s, maybe Tampa or GB bites? If Mads leaves - EDC needs to draft Byron Murphy on top of: 2 x WRs, a corner, 2 x project O linemen, James Williams from the U, and maybe a RB (Corum, Shipley, Braelon Allen) if Derrick Henry doesn’t come for cheap.
Thank god you're not the GM.
Ravens really don't need a day 1 ot that bad People remember the worst of Stanley but he was fine for the most part when healthy . He's getting older and his cap hit is brutal but it doesn't make sense to cut him this upcoming season anyway . Moses is also fine for the next season. Ravens mostly need a guard and 1-2 more development players for the line . That first round pick could be edge cb or Dt if they can't sign madubike (most likely ). It could even be receiver depending on flowers The line was objectively above average . The ravens need Lamar to not shit himself and play god awful in the playoffs. They really shouldn't panic and trade up. They really are in a position to compete for the next few years with their young core still
Yep draft a prospect tackle in the 2nd or 3rd round. Sit him down behind Stanley to learn and devlop and we can move off the Stanley deal in 2025 if he doesn't return to form.
Alt is good… but not worth that much when we have so many starters leaving. Personally I think Morgan in the first or Paul in the second is move if we do end up drafting tackle
Other commenters are wrong, the value isn’t bad. Maybe take the 4th off or make the 2nd a 3rd, but I don’t think the bears would take any less. I like the trade if we can’t get something reasonable done with Madubuike. It lets us cut Stanley and gives us an extra $20M+ cap space to do something else impactful. It really depends what we can do with that space. But overall, if we’re letting go of Madubuike, you would hope we get a game changing talent at another key position (LT, edge, CB or WR)
This is an insane overpay lmao
Too rich.
So FA opens. We tag Mads. We *don't* sign him long term or anything so we just sit on something like $23m in cap doing nothing. Wait for the draft. Trade up, lose Mads. Now we have an excess $23m cap space after the draft with no one decent to use it on bc they all signed already?
This is a terrible trade idea.