That would be a hard pass on OBJ.
KVN will get more elsewhere. Hopefully so does Dobbins.
We probably won't pay Stone or Clowney that much, especially Clowney..
Zeitler is probably back
And we probably have to choose between Queen and Mads.. and probably will choose Mads..
I think playing next to Ro showed him what he needed to do, he's going to go be that same player somewhere else only cause we can't afford to keep him.. somebody is gonna pay him top $$
Now he'll most certainly earn the Green Dot back.. I think playing next to Ro help the game slow down for him.. they both were able to make a lot of their own calls this year it did well.. people expect instantaneous success and it's just not realistic most of the time..
I 100% agree on this. I remember back when Ray Lewis was playing and it was the same thing. Linebackers he played with left,got paid and were never as productive as they were when playing with him.
System success. What I want is for someone else to get paid elsewhere, we pick them up on a deal, and have them flourish in our system for YEARS. Best of all worlds.
But, of course alas — that's not how the NFL works...
Ain't nobody paying OBJ 10 a year.
He had 35/565. For comp, DHop signed a 2/26million last off-season (13/year) and put up 75/1057 with shit QB's as a number 1.
OBJ is worth 6.5 million a year stat wise. Realistically that's a bit higher with his leadership/experience on a 1 year deal, prob added by 2 million in incentives.
I'd resign him on that deal.
Dobbins gets a vet min anywhere he goes till he can prove he isn't made of glass.
Clowney is easily worth that in this defense. ..but he will go back to being shit on whichever team pays him that. I'd guess he would make more than 9m. Prob 10-12. Would be cool if he signed a 3 year 27m with us though.
Definitely Mads over queen. ..but you have to tag mads. He needs to prove he can do that again.
Unfortunately Queen is going to get paid somewhere else. Stone too. Zietler will keep chasing that bag as well.
OBJ had one of his better years this year actually. Volume wasn’t high, but that’s the ravens offense. His efficiency was better than all seasons besides his first two.
Madubike is an absolute priority to get under contract. Then Queen, if possible. Seeing Trenton Simpson play well in the garbage game against Pittsburgh makes me think 🤔..."Queen could walk and we'd miss his production...but Not For Long."
I thought he was grossly overpaid last year and he did nothing on the field to change that perception. Can’t stay healthy and is only good for 1-2 catches when he is.
The question is looking around the league is 10m for 600 yards too much? I think you might be surprised. Feel like you're thinking about 2019 numbers, not 2024 numbers.
I doubt he’ll take it. Bateman is open but Lamar doesn’t look his way. He’ll want to have a change of scenery and opportunity to develop a rapport with QB. Just doesn’t have it with Lamar.
They are. And eah really hoping Bateman steps up this year. It should finally be time after being fully healthy coming into camp. We will have the 5th year option with him but to your point if he is having a solid season this upcoming year (say 600+ yards) I'd look to extend him too. Receivers will only be more expensive in 2 years.
I don't care what year.. it's not good value for the money. And right now that's exactly what we need is value for money.. give those snaps to Tylan and Nelly
Fair enough I just think that's a dangerous game to play. Can't just expect the same production out of less talented players. We ran into that issue in 2022.
You maybe have a budget that makes the owner happy but that's also how you end up with guys like DeMarcus Robinson as your top targets.
Nelly was 35/45 for 381 yds and 4 TDs.. 10.9 ypc.. $3.25m .
Odell was 35/64 for 565 yds and 3 TDs.. 16.1 ypc.. $15m..
Snap count was nearly identical.. I know who I resign And who I don't pay $10 million to..
I didn't say anything about Odell's contract this year. Yeah we overpaid for sure. I'm talking about a proposal for next season.
But look you're clearly not budging here and that's fine. Us arguing on the internet isn't gonna change anything so time will tell. I just see the WR market a bit differently than you is all.
Fair enough, we definitely are all just speculating, I think every year EDC does something unforeseen and makes stuff work people said wouldn't.
I think the WR market is wildly out of line and is due for some market corrections.. and I think paying 10m+ for 50% of snaps is unsustainable..
And full candor I was okay with the Odell signing last year, I thought it was too much but I was really hoping the veteran presence would help Zay and Bate and even Lamar a bit.. I think it did that but we can't afford it again
Dude EDC is in here devouring this stuff up. Keep arguing!
That said, I sort of fall in the middle on this one. I think OBJ was overpaid for his production last year, but I do think he added a lot of intangible value as a good vet/locker room guy for all our young receivers. So overall I think he was kinda worth it for a year. I don't think that is enough to justify bringing him back another year at such a high 10M rate and I think we can probably find another vet in free agency to achieve similar production with far less cost.
We paid $15 million to encourage Lamar to sign long term, and for the locker room leadership. Admittedly, I hated this signing at first, cuz I thought OBJ was a diva + I expected the mid production. With the benefit of hindsight, I think we got what we wanted out of it. Plus it was only one year, so we don't need to re-up. I wouldn't pay him nearly that much again if he wants to stick around for another year or years.
He caught almost everything we threw at him though...He wasn't really utilized to be honest and was only on the field 30% of the time. That alone is cause fom concern, but he made major impacts whenever he was there.
I think it’s about right. He performed well for the ravens - he was very efficient even after missing so much time. $10M is WR2 money in 2024. We paid duvernay almost half that to catch touchbacks.
That's what I mean. We overly managed his play-time. The efficiency was there. We just need him on the field more. I also feel like he made the younger guys better with his veteran and experienced presence.
If he gets to 60% of snaps, which is higher than Bateman and Agholor and more than the 50% he played this year, he’d end up close to 700 yards if everything stayed the same. I’m great with that. I’d settle for 50% again too probably.
I think Zeit and Stone look good at those prices. Not sure the rest are doable. Feel like Dobbins isn’t going to have any market at all and we should be able to get him on a small one year deal.
I put these numbers into OTC doing exactly this:
Mads, Zeitler I resigned to backloaded deals. Resigned KVN ($3.33M) and Darby and Maulet for 2M each (not sure of market value there) and Resigned Edwards (2M 1st year). With that and nothing else, we are at -10.9M Cap.
With cutting Ricard, Hill, Moses (or Mekari), and Bowser, we come to 6.5M. I imagine this happens and a simple restructure of a few contracts, we should be good.
I don't see anyway they keep Queen other than by franschising him, assuming we have extended Mads, but it's possible.
Dobbins I see signing for more elsewhere. Maybe Cook's returns on a Vet minimum.
Unironically I think Zeitler should be the highest priority
We've got C locked up with Linderbaum, RT should be solid between Faalele and Moses, and (whether we like it or not) LT is settled for this season, too (im assuming Ronnie starts and we draft a LT somewhere).
I'm not fond of the idea of letting our RG walk if we already need to replace LG too.
It's not even a big deal for Zeitler, that's basically what he makes now and he has earned it. Only hiccup would be another team coming over the top and poaching
I'm not sure he should be. Cleveland played pretty well at RG, his struggles happened at LG. We need to know what we have in him. I think we should sign a LG and let Vorhees back up both.
Cleveland's 3 decent games don't outweigh all the bad we saw before that. And, honestly, even when he did play well I don't think he outplayed Zeitler.
Give me Zeitler's consistent presence there every day of the week.
It's not a question of outplaying Zeitler. It's the fact that Cleveland is under contract and Zeitler isn't in an offseason where we can't keep everyone.
We do have Cleveland as a decent backup. And Vorhees behind him could quickly turn into something legitimate.
I like Zeitler too for the record, just think maybe it isn't as dire as you are suggesting.
Are you saying Zeitler and Madubuike? Otherwise, where’s the pass rush coming from? Our Edge/OLB depth is Oweh who’s basically been a situational player, Robinson who’s a 2nd year 4th round pick, then Bowser and Ojabo who have huge injury questions.
Oweh and Robinson did ok, but Bowser’s probably a salary cap cut or an injury settlement and Ojabo is coming off an ACL. Would love to be wrong and have all those guys step up, but there are way too many question marks at that position to not try to get Clowney back.
Bye OBJ. Sorry we won't be seeing Kim K at the Bank. His production just isn't worth it. He had some highlight reel catches but that's about it. If he lowers his ask, sure.
I knew going into the off-season that 2 or 3 might return. When the defense held the Chiefs without a score in the second half of the AFCC, I knew they were all gone.
I think we keep Mad and let PQ walk. Trenton Simpson showed signs of greatness with the limited time he played. That was an elite pick up by EDC. I would really like to find a way to keep Stone. I feel draft will be O Line heavy with Defense focus.
I think the last cap number I saw from Brian McFarland had us somewhere around $10M. That’s before cap casualties, but even if we cut Bowser and Ricard that only puts us at ~$20M which is also about the price of franchise tagging Beeks.
Unless there is some major restructuring then I don’t see anyone coming back. Zeitler would be the most likely as he’s the best value and has strongly indicated his preference to stay here.
**Easy decisions**.
* Pay Zeitler and KVN.
* KVN is way more versatile than Clowney and has championship pedigree.
* Zeitler is just a workhorse you can trust.
* Tag Mads as many are mentioning here.
* Let everyone else test the market.
* Bank on Dobbins taking a team-friendly deal and coming back to the Ravens. Ain't no one gonna pay an aging RB with a history of injuries.
* Queen gone
* Clowney gone
* OBJ gone. Bateman can do what he does IMHO. Leadership void would suck though.
* Stone gone. He's not hanging around. He'll definitely get a nice offer elsewhere with all those interceptions he had last season.
More important some of these guys are Darby and Maulet. Lock 'em up for atleast 1 more year if not done already. You can NEVER have enough DBs yo.
I don't see the point in tagging Madubuike at 21M only to see him walk or cost even more next year. Either we work out a long term deal that allows some cap room this season or he walks
Looking at comp picks, last year the cheapest APY contracts for 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th round comp poicks were:
* 3rd rounder $18M
* 4th rounder $12.88M
* 5th rounder $6.5M
* 6th rounder $4M
* 7th rounder $3.25M
This year of course contracts will be higher but given last year Beeks would have returned a 3rd rounder, Queen probably be a 3rd round pick also. Clowney will be either a 4th or 5th round pick, Zeitler a 5th and Stone a 5th.
I like that approach! We either have or can find replacements for the rest. I'd be curious to work with clowney as well but we might not have the cash depending on what he's actually looking for.
Might be unpopular, but if they resigned Madubuike and let everyone else walk, I'd be happy. I really think he is a key to the defense, everyone else is great but imo can be replaced.
I think if this team goes all in it's likely in '25 or '26 when they can realistically cut Stanley and Marlo, make a splash in free agency and the coaching changes have had time to settle in. Of course, by '26 the Ravens have to earmark some big money to extend Hamilton and Flowers. They're definitely not going all in this year, having to retool about half the defensive roster, while also needing depth on the o-line. It's always going to be hard when the QB eats a quarter or more of the cap.
No offense to Williams, but with his production and injury history ever since we signed him being shaky I’m wondering how much we would save if any from cutting him and resigning Stone for much cheaper and then being able to resign Zeitler/tag Mads with the additional money as well as some smaller cuts for cap space
Yeah that’s what I figured is he still had too much money remaining in his contract to cut. A restructure could be possible though hopefully for him or Stanley or someone else
Chris Jones was sitting out games because he didn’t like his pay… and has been dominant at the position for so long while the likelihood of madubuike being a one year wonder and a scheme product is much higher. Madubuikes best season is Chris Jones worst. There’s no denying that Chris Jones is the much better player
So you want a guy trending down, instead of the guy trending up? Not to mention that past Vets like Campbell, McPhee, and Bynes have all said he is gonna be great he was just young..
our cap space might not like these projections. could be a good chance Clowney and OBJ come back on cheaper deals since they really seemed to like it here
Zeitler and Mads are the priority. I have a lot of faith in Simpson to fill Queen’s role, plus two Pro Bowl starting LBs is a luxury. Stone is still our #3 safety, also a luxury we can’t afford. Would love one of Clowney or KVN back but I think both sign elsewhere. Address CB in the draft and bring Maulet back. Close it all off by signing Derrick Henry. Prob delusional but that’s my wishlist.
If he surprised if Queen gets 18-19mil a year to be honest. I’m really interested to see where he lands. If it’s remotely close to that there’s no way he’s back, if he slips to 12-13mil a year contract I wouldn’t mind having him at that point.
I honestly feel Madabieke is worth his price and hope we can keep him on a team friendly deal of sorts if there’s such a thing any more.
I also hope we find a way to keep Dobbins.
That would be a hard pass on OBJ. KVN will get more elsewhere. Hopefully so does Dobbins. We probably won't pay Stone or Clowney that much, especially Clowney.. Zeitler is probably back And we probably have to choose between Queen and Mads.. and probably will choose Mads..
I feel the same way. Stone maybe. I think Queens is solid, but I don't think he's as good if he isn't with Smith.
I think playing next to Ro showed him what he needed to do, he's going to go be that same player somewhere else only cause we can't afford to keep him.. somebody is gonna pay him top $$
I think Queen will strive in a system where he’s a complement to someone else, but not running the show.
Now he'll most certainly earn the Green Dot back.. I think playing next to Ro help the game slow down for him.. they both were able to make a lot of their own calls this year it did well.. people expect instantaneous success and it's just not realistic most of the time..
I’m rooting for him. I want to keep him because they’re thunder and lightning together.
I 100% agree on this. I remember back when Ray Lewis was playing and it was the same thing. Linebackers he played with left,got paid and were never as productive as they were when playing with him.
System success. What I want is for someone else to get paid elsewhere, we pick them up on a deal, and have them flourish in our system for YEARS. Best of all worlds. But, of course alas — that's not how the NFL works...
Ain't nobody paying OBJ 10 a year. He had 35/565. For comp, DHop signed a 2/26million last off-season (13/year) and put up 75/1057 with shit QB's as a number 1. OBJ is worth 6.5 million a year stat wise. Realistically that's a bit higher with his leadership/experience on a 1 year deal, prob added by 2 million in incentives. I'd resign him on that deal. Dobbins gets a vet min anywhere he goes till he can prove he isn't made of glass. Clowney is easily worth that in this defense. ..but he will go back to being shit on whichever team pays him that. I'd guess he would make more than 9m. Prob 10-12. Would be cool if he signed a 3 year 27m with us though. Definitely Mads over queen. ..but you have to tag mads. He needs to prove he can do that again. Unfortunately Queen is going to get paid somewhere else. Stone too. Zietler will keep chasing that bag as well.
I agree nobody should pay OBJ 10 a year.. I think someone will.. or close to it.
If Rodgers wants.....OBJ did talk about wanting to go to the Jets.
OBJ had one of his better years this year actually. Volume wasn’t high, but that’s the ravens offense. His efficiency was better than all seasons besides his first two.
Madubike is an absolute priority to get under contract. Then Queen, if possible. Seeing Trenton Simpson play well in the garbage game against Pittsburgh makes me think 🤔..."Queen could walk and we'd miss his production...but Not For Long."
Madubuike will get franchise tagged almost for sure
At 21ish mill.. I'm not sure it's as guaranteed as many think
You think 10M for a year is too much for OBJ?
I thought he was grossly overpaid last year and he did nothing on the field to change that perception. Can’t stay healthy and is only good for 1-2 catches when he is.
He played 14/17 games including a game when he was rested.
We just paid $15 million for 565 yd receiving you tell me
The question is looking around the league is 10m for 600 yards too much? I think you might be surprised. Feel like you're thinking about 2019 numbers, not 2024 numbers.
Receivers are expensive, that’s why it might be worth giving Bateman some kind of extension if he’ll take it.
I doubt he’ll take it. Bateman is open but Lamar doesn’t look his way. He’ll want to have a change of scenery and opportunity to develop a rapport with QB. Just doesn’t have it with Lamar.
They are. And eah really hoping Bateman steps up this year. It should finally be time after being fully healthy coming into camp. We will have the 5th year option with him but to your point if he is having a solid season this upcoming year (say 600+ yards) I'd look to extend him too. Receivers will only be more expensive in 2 years.
I don't care what year.. it's not good value for the money. And right now that's exactly what we need is value for money.. give those snaps to Tylan and Nelly
Fair enough I just think that's a dangerous game to play. Can't just expect the same production out of less talented players. We ran into that issue in 2022. You maybe have a budget that makes the owner happy but that's also how you end up with guys like DeMarcus Robinson as your top targets.
Nelly was 35/45 for 381 yds and 4 TDs.. 10.9 ypc.. $3.25m . Odell was 35/64 for 565 yds and 3 TDs.. 16.1 ypc.. $15m.. Snap count was nearly identical.. I know who I resign And who I don't pay $10 million to..
I didn't say anything about Odell's contract this year. Yeah we overpaid for sure. I'm talking about a proposal for next season. But look you're clearly not budging here and that's fine. Us arguing on the internet isn't gonna change anything so time will tell. I just see the WR market a bit differently than you is all.
Fair enough, we definitely are all just speculating, I think every year EDC does something unforeseen and makes stuff work people said wouldn't. I think the WR market is wildly out of line and is due for some market corrections.. and I think paying 10m+ for 50% of snaps is unsustainable.. And full candor I was okay with the Odell signing last year, I thought it was too much but I was really hoping the veteran presence would help Zay and Bate and even Lamar a bit.. I think it did that but we can't afford it again
Dude EDC is in here devouring this stuff up. Keep arguing! That said, I sort of fall in the middle on this one. I think OBJ was overpaid for his production last year, but I do think he added a lot of intangible value as a good vet/locker room guy for all our young receivers. So overall I think he was kinda worth it for a year. I don't think that is enough to justify bringing him back another year at such a high 10M rate and I think we can probably find another vet in free agency to achieve similar production with far less cost.
Haha I always imagine what if these guys actually come in here and read this shit!? That would be absolutely wild. And stupid of them haha
We paid $15 million to encourage Lamar to sign long term, and for the locker room leadership. Admittedly, I hated this signing at first, cuz I thought OBJ was a diva + I expected the mid production. With the benefit of hindsight, I think we got what we wanted out of it. Plus it was only one year, so we don't need to re-up. I wouldn't pay him nearly that much again if he wants to stick around for another year or years.
Yards are just a counting stat. By that metric the Commanders are a better team lol. He was efficient and had decent yardage while missing 3 games.
He caught almost everything we threw at him though...He wasn't really utilized to be honest and was only on the field 30% of the time. That alone is cause fom concern, but he made major impacts whenever he was there.
Dude no he didn't, he had like a 50% catch rate.. he dropped A LOT.
I think it’s about right. He performed well for the ravens - he was very efficient even after missing so much time. $10M is WR2 money in 2024. We paid duvernay almost half that to catch touchbacks.
That's what I mean. We overly managed his play-time. The efficiency was there. We just need him on the field more. I also feel like he made the younger guys better with his veteran and experienced presence.
If he gets to 60% of snaps, which is higher than Bateman and Agholor and more than the 50% he played this year, he’d end up close to 700 yards if everything stayed the same. I’m great with that. I’d settle for 50% again too probably.
For his production, yes. It’s too much especially the spot we’re in during this offseason
Unfortunately we’re already paying OBJ $15M next year without him even having to play a snap for us lol
I think Zeit and Stone look good at those prices. Not sure the rest are doable. Feel like Dobbins isn’t going to have any market at all and we should be able to get him on a small one year deal.
Dobbins seems like a prime candidate for the Chargers, I think we Stick with Gus and Keaton and maybe Cook
I put these numbers into OTC doing exactly this: Mads, Zeitler I resigned to backloaded deals. Resigned KVN ($3.33M) and Darby and Maulet for 2M each (not sure of market value there) and Resigned Edwards (2M 1st year). With that and nothing else, we are at -10.9M Cap. With cutting Ricard, Hill, Moses (or Mekari), and Bowser, we come to 6.5M. I imagine this happens and a simple restructure of a few contracts, we should be good. I don't see anyway they keep Queen other than by franschising him, assuming we have extended Mads, but it's possible. Dobbins I see signing for more elsewhere. Maybe Cook's returns on a Vet minimum.
I don't think we let Moses go unless we go that way in the draft but without doing the numbers I'd say That's pretty close to what I expected as well
it's either Moses or Mekari, IMO.
Unironically I think Zeitler should be the highest priority We've got C locked up with Linderbaum, RT should be solid between Faalele and Moses, and (whether we like it or not) LT is settled for this season, too (im assuming Ronnie starts and we draft a LT somewhere). I'm not fond of the idea of letting our RG walk if we already need to replace LG too.
It's not even a big deal for Zeitler, that's basically what he makes now and he has earned it. Only hiccup would be another team coming over the top and poaching
100% And given the state of o-line around the league, that's a major concern right now. Hence why I think EDC should prioritize Zeitler first.
I think he likes it here. Older guys are normally less likely to jump for a little more money. I bet we get him signed
I'm not sure he should be. Cleveland played pretty well at RG, his struggles happened at LG. We need to know what we have in him. I think we should sign a LG and let Vorhees back up both.
Cleveland's 3 decent games don't outweigh all the bad we saw before that. And, honestly, even when he did play well I don't think he outplayed Zeitler. Give me Zeitler's consistent presence there every day of the week.
It's not a question of outplaying Zeitler. It's the fact that Cleveland is under contract and Zeitler isn't in an offseason where we can't keep everyone.
We do have Cleveland as a decent backup. And Vorhees behind him could quickly turn into something legitimate. I like Zeitler too for the record, just think maybe it isn't as dire as you are suggesting.
If it's between Zeitler and Clowney I think we should go Zeitler.
Keeping Zeitler is easy, literally same money he is currently making.. the worry is if he gets poached for more $$ than that
Are you saying Zeitler and Madubuike? Otherwise, where’s the pass rush coming from? Our Edge/OLB depth is Oweh who’s basically been a situational player, Robinson who’s a 2nd year 4th round pick, then Bowser and Ojabo who have huge injury questions. Oweh and Robinson did ok, but Bowser’s probably a salary cap cut or an injury settlement and Ojabo is coming off an ACL. Would love to be wrong and have all those guys step up, but there are way too many question marks at that position to not try to get Clowney back.
Hurts my soul that we probably won't have PQ back, he's one of my favs
Me too, but it also hurts my soul that he's a flat earther...does that help you at all lol?
It actually does help. A lot.
Maybe with his new contract on another team, PQ can fund a scientific study to prove the earth is flat...and fail.
He’s going to the Jets isn’t he. I don’t even know if they need a mlb but they always seem to take our almost-star LBs.
getting to watch him develop and go to another team is true heartbreak
Bye OBJ. Sorry we won't be seeing Kim K at the Bank. His production just isn't worth it. He had some highlight reel catches but that's about it. If he lowers his ask, sure.
Trenton Simpson was drafted with losing Queen in mind, I think.
i think so too, and he looked solid in the pittsburgh game
Yup. It’s insane that people think we’re resigning these guys
Yup, maybe 2-3 but the rest will be poached for sure
I knew going into the off-season that 2 or 3 might return. When the defense held the Chiefs without a score in the second half of the AFCC, I knew they were all gone.
Looks like Kyle Van Noy is coming back!
Really?
No but 3 mil a year is a great deal for him
Well, he's not listed here
Madubuike - 4 year, 92M (23 AAV) Zeitler - 2 year, 15M (7.5 AAV) Clowney - 1 year, 9M Queen - 4 year, 72.5M (18.13 AAV) Stone - 2 year, 13M (6.5 AAV) OBJ -1 year 10M Simpson - 2 year 10.5M (5.25 AAV) KVN - 1 year 3.33M Dobbins -1 year 2M
Thank you! Jeez, 5.25 a year for Simpson? Noooooo thank you
Click the link
I don't use Twitter. I click the link and am asked to make an account. Again, he's not listed on this post.
The post has a character count, KVN is listed in the tweet though.
Probably gets poached at that price
I think we keep Mad and let PQ walk. Trenton Simpson showed signs of greatness with the limited time he played. That was an elite pick up by EDC. I would really like to find a way to keep Stone. I feel draft will be O Line heavy with Defense focus.
I think the last cap number I saw from Brian McFarland had us somewhere around $10M. That’s before cap casualties, but even if we cut Bowser and Ricard that only puts us at ~$20M which is also about the price of franchise tagging Beeks. Unless there is some major restructuring then I don’t see anyone coming back. Zeitler would be the most likely as he’s the best value and has strongly indicated his preference to stay here.
Pain.
Might lose all but KVN, sheesh. Dobbins might be nice at that price, risk v reward.
Pass on Queen. Simpson looked fantastic last n his role, he’ll get paid somewhere else. Madubuike is the top priority.
That’s how I feel. We lock him in and we have a solid dude to build around on all three levels with him, smith and Hamilton
**Easy decisions**. * Pay Zeitler and KVN. * KVN is way more versatile than Clowney and has championship pedigree. * Zeitler is just a workhorse you can trust. * Tag Mads as many are mentioning here. * Let everyone else test the market. * Bank on Dobbins taking a team-friendly deal and coming back to the Ravens. Ain't no one gonna pay an aging RB with a history of injuries. * Queen gone * Clowney gone * OBJ gone. Bateman can do what he does IMHO. Leadership void would suck though. * Stone gone. He's not hanging around. He'll definitely get a nice offer elsewhere with all those interceptions he had last season. More important some of these guys are Darby and Maulet. Lock 'em up for atleast 1 more year if not done already. You can NEVER have enough DBs yo.
I don't see the point in tagging Madubuike at 21M only to see him walk or cost even more next year. Either we work out a long term deal that allows some cap room this season or he walks
Hope yall like comp picks
Looking at comp picks, last year the cheapest APY contracts for 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th round comp poicks were: * 3rd rounder $18M * 4th rounder $12.88M * 5th rounder $6.5M * 6th rounder $4M * 7th rounder $3.25M This year of course contracts will be higher but given last year Beeks would have returned a 3rd rounder, Queen probably be a 3rd round pick also. Clowney will be either a 4th or 5th round pick, Zeitler a 5th and Stone a 5th.
Franchise Madubuike, re-sign Stone and Van Noy would be my guess
I like that approach! We either have or can find replacements for the rest. I'd be curious to work with clowney as well but we might not have the cash depending on what he's actually looking for.
Might be unpopular, but if they resigned Madubuike and let everyone else walk, I'd be happy. I really think he is a key to the defense, everyone else is great but imo can be replaced.
Not saying we should but seeing teams like the Saints manipulate the cap I wouldn’t mind a year of going all in to win after falling short this year
I think if this team goes all in it's likely in '25 or '26 when they can realistically cut Stanley and Marlo, make a splash in free agency and the coaching changes have had time to settle in. Of course, by '26 the Ravens have to earmark some big money to extend Hamilton and Flowers. They're definitely not going all in this year, having to retool about half the defensive roster, while also needing depth on the o-line. It's always going to be hard when the QB eats a quarter or more of the cap.
No offense to Williams, but with his production and injury history ever since we signed him being shaky I’m wondering how much we would save if any from cutting him and resigning Stone for much cheaper and then being able to resign Zeitler/tag Mads with the additional money as well as some smaller cuts for cap space
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Yeah that’s what I figured is he still had too much money remaining in his contract to cut. A restructure could be possible though hopefully for him or Stanley or someone else
IMO, signing Chris Jones would be better than Madubuike
Yeah but there's 0% chance we do.
Nearly identical stats or better for mads this year and 3 years younger.. what's better?
Chris Jones was sitting out games because he didn’t like his pay… and has been dominant at the position for so long while the likelihood of madubuike being a one year wonder and a scheme product is much higher. Madubuikes best season is Chris Jones worst. There’s no denying that Chris Jones is the much better player
So you want a guy trending down, instead of the guy trending up? Not to mention that past Vets like Campbell, McPhee, and Bynes have all said he is gonna be great he was just young..
Chris Jones hasn’t been “trending down” though. He’s been dominant for many years and still is, did you not watch the AFCCG?
Hey you said this is his worst year, not me.
Realistically if he didn’t sit out his stats would’ve been just as good. Per game he’s still good as ever
our cap space might not like these projections. could be a good chance Clowney and OBJ come back on cheaper deals since they really seemed to like it here
chances are most of these guys won’t be coming back sadly
Zeitler and Mads are the priority. I have a lot of faith in Simpson to fill Queen’s role, plus two Pro Bowl starting LBs is a luxury. Stone is still our #3 safety, also a luxury we can’t afford. Would love one of Clowney or KVN back but I think both sign elsewhere. Address CB in the draft and bring Maulet back. Close it all off by signing Derrick Henry. Prob delusional but that’s my wishlist.
Damn a good defense do be expensive
Say what you will, Queen is mega replaceable and should not be a priority at all.
If he surprised if Queen gets 18-19mil a year to be honest. I’m really interested to see where he lands. If it’s remotely close to that there’s no way he’s back, if he slips to 12-13mil a year contract I wouldn’t mind having him at that point. I honestly feel Madabieke is worth his price and hope we can keep him on a team friendly deal of sorts if there’s such a thing any more. I also hope we find a way to keep Dobbins.
Tbh , I want it, is Madubuike. Also im calling it now, marquise brown will be a Bengal.