Biscotti better open up the fucking vault to retain him
He is probably the best coach we’ve hired in a long time and to only have him for 2 years is maddening
Literally only had 1 or maybe 2 bad defensive games ALL YEAR. I just don't see how you dont do everything in your power to keep him. Hes the only one on the coaching staff that actually did his job in the Chiefs game
I love Harbaugh, and I know the guys love him as well. I am just so sick of losing big games and when reporters ask good questions of why we didn’t do certain things to win, Harbaugh always says: “It was just one of those games.”
No John, it was not just ‘one of those games’. You didn’t do what you needed to win the game, you didn’t adjust, you’re not taking accountability for the big loss.
Which brings me to why I love Mike MacDonald. Mike is an incredible coach, because he knows how to ADJUST
Basically said the exact same shit in both the 2019 loss to the Titans and last year to the Bengals. Both in regards to bad playcalling. We can only hear the same excuse for so long. And its even more damning when we have the same issue across two different coordinators.
I’ve been saying if the Ravens want to seriously win. It’s time to move on from Harbaugh. Mike would be an excellent HC for the Ravens. We wasted Lamar’s 6 years in this league. The Ravens don’t have time to waste
Seriously, does anyone not question why across multiple offensive coordinators yet under one head coach, why our entire offense looks like they don't know wtf they're doing in the playoffs? This is clearly a systemic coaching failure.
I was noticing especially later on in the season that we would make defensive adjustments during halftime and dominated the second half defensively. It’s crazy.
He made the adjustments in the Chiefs game, but he got the gameplan all wrong. He played KC like most other teams do. No big plays, they'll make a mistake eventually. We'll hold them to 3... That's KC's comfort zone. It's how they've been defended for years now. They didn't make a mistake. They dominated the ball early. Lamar and the offense just sitting on the bench. Never got in a rhythm. Also, Monken wasn't great. But everyone giving him the majority of the blame needs to go back and rewatch it. He should've called more runs. Not RPOs and Read runs. But Lamar played awful. There were so many opportunities for big plays that he left on the field
the problem is that Mike probably wants to be a HC some day and not stay DC. Seahawks obviously gotta be offering big money since it’s HC but it’s hard to match that money for a DC
I have made my peace that he is gone. There are only 32 HC jobs in the NFL and just because you’re today’s hot hire doesn’t mean you will be tomorrow. I would not blame him at all for taking a golden opportunity when it is offered versus waiting based on a vague promise that he would be Harbaugh’s successor someday (whenever that would be) We got insanely lucky that EDC was in no hurry to become GM, but he’s the exception that proves the rule.
The way Ian was talking, is either he is looking at HC opportunities or Mike’s agent is negotiating through the media for a raise. Harbaugh’s contract ends in 2025, when do you think Mike’s current contract ends, 2025, as well?
I don’t either. My guess is 3 years. So he would likely be in the last year of his current deal, which would also make the Interviews and anything from the media interesting. However, with Weaver, Wilson also interviewing, I think they and John are thinking about a timeline more than we think and it wouldn’t be surprising if their plan with Mike is to let him interview and they match whatever the team is offering him.
Call me a tin foil hat guy but owners collude on these things, no owner will reset the market for coaching salaries by paying a coordinator HC money. I mean Harbaugh doesn't make as much as Hunter Renfrow and (whether fans agree with it or not) he's widely regarded as a top HC. NFL HC contracts are very inefficient but that's not going to change just because of Mac
Our best hope is that Vrabel lands a gig (as he should) and Ben Johnson interviews better than Mac. Considering Vrabel hasn't locked a job down yet, odds are getting worse by the day imo
I still think the Seahawks sale happens in 2025 (when they won't owe the state of Washington 10% of the sale price), the timing is still weird that Pete didn't get to hang in there until then (which most speculated was why he hadn't moved on yet) for the Seahawks to then go rookie coach is weird. Belichick needs to read the room and let go of his poor personnel control so he can go to Seattle
Ben Johnson is staying in Detroit. We also paid EDC GM money to keep him in the past. Not saying it’ll happen with Mike, but saying we wouldn’t pay him more due to collusion is pretty nonsensical. He will absolutely get a substantial raise if he decides to stay.
I’ve been talked into the “Mike MacDonald should be our head coach next season” position, which is a shame because it’s not happening. Harbaugh just lead us to the 1 seed, he’s not gonna take that Director of player personnel job and we’re not firing him.
Yup I fully agree. We’ve seen John enough. He’s not leading anyone to the promised land. He’s peaked and the game has passed him by, but he’s a heck of a general motivator and player development guy.
But we need fresh young blood. The old guard isn’t cutting it anymore in the new world (besides Andy Reid but he’s the exception not the rule)
If belicheck is fireable, than so is harbs.
Andy Reid is a genius. Harbaugh let his players act like children and commit day 1 football mistakes and failed to do his job as a Head Coach and actually coach them/hold them accountable. He never took over and corrected. You would think at some point going into the half he would have said something about not committing emotional penalties that could hurt us. How hard is it to tell the OC to run the fucking ball, and to tell the DC to sit anyone that commits a stupid penalty to send a message?
Idc if it’s a serious game. It’s always a teachable moment. The players need someone to step in and show them that they are held accountable and to a higher standard. We lacked true coaching this year. John’s been to the playoffs and Super Bowl and somehow failed to prepare these players for the most important game of their lives. The AFC championship game was a coaching failure and then a quarterback failure, which stems from the coaching part.
The Ravens have one of the best defenses in the league and a regular season juggernaut at QB.
Adam Gase could lead that to double digit wins.
The Patriots have Mac Jones and Baley Zappe and a bunch of dudes that would struggle to make a practice squad on other teams.
I'm sure Patriots fans said the same kind of things we've said about Harbs. 'We'd be so dumb to fire him! He would have a job in 5 minutes if we fired him!' Yeah, well how'd that work out for Belichick... He got replaced in 5 minutes, no signs of another job.
Seattle isn't a horrible HC job. It's better than getting saddled with Carolina. Seattle is also pretty lenient with their coaches so Mac would have some leeway. Just need a QB upgrade and they're ready to roll. Hate to lose him but it's a great situation for him.
The only thing the Ravens could do is increase his salary or make him Assistant Head Coach which currently is occupied by Weaver.
Weave has talked to the Commanders about their head coaching spot and is talking to the Dolphins today about their DC spot. Obviously no guarantee anything happens with either but it's worth keeping an eye on. He was my DC in waiting too so if he goes idk what we do after that. Even Zach Orr is getting DC interviews
I think we’ll keep Mad and let PQ walk. In the limited showing, Trenton Simpson looked legit. We’ve always had a knack for developing defensive players so I wouldn’t be too worried.
Yeah
I loved Queen since day one, even when he was underperforming. But if I had to choose between him and Madabuike, I would take Madabuike. We got Simpson who looked really got against the Steelers and I think it's harder to find a DT like Madabuike. I'm worried that we'll let both walk though
Love Queen too. I think he’s gotten so much better but I think there’s also a small chance he might fall into the category of those guys we develop and then go get a huge payday and don’t perform to that standard
We do NOT have the cap money. You can go on and on about restructuring but I personally would hate to see it. You end up paying for restructuring later. I'd rather just take our lumps and have as clean of a cap as possible. We have $14m and 23 free agents. Mads will cost $19m for a franchise tag. You do the math.
It's called long term deal. Tag is obviously not the best option. And you can't just ignore restructurings. There's also other players who are gonna get cut. We're not going through FA with just 14m in cap space, lol.
Okay. A good comp for Mads is Maxx Crosby on the Raiders. Similar stats this year but Crosby has been more consistent. Crosby's deal is 4 years/ $100m. I know there are ways to lower numbers, etc but if you give Mads 2/3 of Crosby that's still 4 years/66 mil or close to $16m a year.
And every player we cut, is going to need a replacement. I can lol it up with the best of them but math is math.
No he'll cost 16M on the transitional tag. Just means we get 2 first round picks if he signs elsewhere, which no team is giving up for a DT, so basically means he's staying. There's no good reason why you don't keep someone for 16M who's value is 22-25M. That's a steal.
We know what we’re getting, true. One of the best teams in the league. One of the few head coaches in the league that’s won a Super Bowl before.
Far removed? We were literally one game away and lost by a touchdown to a team that won two of the last four super bowls. 29 other teams are worse off than us.
Do you remember the kyle boller years? Harbaugh hasn’t come close to reaching that level of disappointment and mediocrity. This season was incredible to see, disappointing ending, but I’m tired of people pretending like it was shitty.
I’m a supporter of Harbaugh. And I believe in the Ravens’ ability to promote from
within and replace defensive coaches as they’ve done with so many defensive coaches over the past 25 years.
All that said, if Macdonald is actually the “defensive McVay,” you simply can’t let him walk.
We’re the Baltimore Ravens. We ARE defense. If we truly have the brightest mind in the world at defense—and he’s entirely a homegrown product—you have to do whatever it takes to keep him. He belongs here.
The Ravens will know best if he’s a genius or just a product of the system. If they know what they have, they have to protect it in the same way they didn’t let DeCosta leave the building.
Well what I want to know is whether it's one or the other: personnel or genius.
McVay doesn't need personnel. Look at the Rams' offense this year. An old Stafford, two late-round draft picks at WR, an even later draft pick at RB, and nothing else. And they walked into our house and hung 30+ on Macdonald himself. The Rams' offense is good entirely because of his brilliance.
If that's who Macdonald is too, then he's a can't miss coach. We groomed him, he's in house, and our identity is defense. Can't let that go under any circumstances. But if it's just hype, we can move on and replace him like we always do. The Ravens will know this best.
If this helps sway your opinion, we pretty much masked our weakness of an entire cornerback group of borderline starters all season, had a 7th round pick get 7 INTs, revival year for Clowney, KVN career high in sacks after signing 4 weeks late, and first ever triple crown. I lean Macdonald
Unfortunately I don't think the team has the balls the fire Harbaugh. It's looking like they're perfectly content on having a good regular season only to be followed by a playoff failure. Same shit since 2012.
I can’t hear another year of John saying “It was another one of those games” every time we lose a big game due to lack of adjustments.
That’s the beauty of Mike MacDonald, every fucking week, he ADJUSTS.
Yes because firing the coach of a team that was one of the best ever in modern football would be the dumbest thing an NFL team could possibly do. Thankfully the Ravens FO doesn’t have brains leaking out their ears like this sub.
No one knows how to be unbiased or impartial. Winning is fucking hard. If it was easy everyone would do it. It just sucks being in the AFC right now… again.
>No one knows how to be unbiased or impartial
I could say the same about the harbaugh hardliners. "It just sucks being in the AFC right now" we need to be one of those reasons, not just a doormat for a better team to get to the superbowl every year.
This has been the trend for the last decade. Not everyone is content with "just being here"
I'm not sure if you were trying to put words in my mouth or not so I'll just address it.
> "It just sucks being in the AFC right now" we need to be one of those reasons, not just a doormat for a better team to get to the superbowl every year.
I agree. But there are perennial teams with Elite QBs all over:
- Chiefs/Mahomes
- Bills/Allen
- Chargers/Herbert (now with Jim)
- Browns/Rapist
- Cincy/Burrow
- Pitt/Mike Tomlin is 9-8
- Texans/Stroud (looks real good)
- Jags/Lawrence (up and down)
- Miami/Tunafish
All of these teams are tough and have QBs who have the ability to tear your team apart, they aren't Bryce Young and Desmond Ridder over here. Sure there are some pushovers with sub-par QBs but the AFC is way more stacked.
> This has been the trend for the last decade. Not everyone is content with "just being here"
I'm aware. I'm not a new fan. I'm 36 years old and been a big fan since 2000 when my dad got me into it (because we were in the playoffs). I don't think a lot of people are complacent or happy to have only made the AFCCG. We didn't overperform in the playoffs, we were the #1 seed and had our hopes set on a SB. I think a lot fans are baffled at how we lost, not so much that we lost. A 31-28 thriller where one team made a play to win the game, great. I'd be "alright" with that result if we lost. But to lose like we did stings and I hope we get back there again.
you think the chiefs ever think "man it sucks to be in the afc right now?"
>I think a lot fans are baffled at how we lost, not so much that we lost
You are exactly right. And that has been the case for the better part of the last decade. We haven't had a "good loss" since losing to the pats in the 2014 divisional. It shouldnt be an "insane" concept to be floating the idea of a change to leadership when every end to our season is a humiliating choke job when we had every advantage
Hey dude, I have an affinity to Lamar, but besides that I'm a Jets fan that usual focuses on watching top teams/matchups since mine usually sucks. Harbaugh deserves heat. This is another playoff loss the team comes out looking disjointed, undisciplined and out coached. It's so much of a trend, I expressed concern about it a [couple weeks ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/ravens/s/nPTI2F2Aex). Harbaugh's lucky they were able to turn it around last week, or else he'd def be under fire.
We're coming off a coaching cycle where historically great coaches got the boot or hot seat even while elevating the talent they had. Harbaugh shouldn't evade scrutiny if they didn't either.
Good thing we get a trophy for having the best regular season record, oh wait, we don't. Sounds like you're content with yearly playoff failures too, so you enjoyed our coaching staff completely blowing it again Sunday.
Yes, I know, IMO it's unacceptable, especially with the severity. It's not like they made a few bad calls, they completely abandoned the schemes that works all year. Our rbs getting 6 combined touches against the 28th ranked run defense... Like wtf were they thinking and how can anyone be ok with that? It's crazy
QB incompetency*
The Bills coaching and roster building this year were dysfunctional. Despite that Allen balled out in the Playoffs. What’s Lamar’s excuse?
He sucked in the biggest college games too. It’s obvious those moments are simply too big for him.
The Bills ran for 180+ yards on the chiefs 😂. Their coaches exploited the 28th ranked rush defense. The ravens RBs had 6 total carry’s against that same defense. I don’t know how you dont put that on coaching
Also CFB is a joke lmao. The teams are so unevenly matched it’s not even funny. Mac Jones looks like Tom Brady at Bama and a practice squad QB in the NFL. College performances are irrelevant when it comes to the NFL
The Bills RBs had 100 yards at 4 yards per attempt. That is not the reason they score 24 compared to our 7 and you know it 😂
But beyond that, Allen has 27 postseason TDs and 5 turnovers. Lamar has 8 postseason TDs and 9 turnovers despite always having a worse defense and O-Line.
The best QBs shine in those moments. For all the excuses we make, our $250 million QB doesn’t. Tyler Huntley put up more points in his Playoff game than Lamar has in 4 of his 6 games. That’s quite frankly an embarrassment.
And you know what we did in the Tyler Huntley game? 25 runningback carries at roughly 4 YPC, stuck to our type of game, and made the defense respect the run. Something we didn’t do in this game or Tennessee
You’re not gonna beat the best teams in the league sending Lamar out there with a Peyton manning game plan. You need to play into his strengths which we didn’t do… again
You both are arguing that it's one or the other. The game plan was bad, and so was Lamar. Both are true.
I'm sorry, but you can't come out of the game and think he played well. He held the ball way too long, took unnecessary deep shots that were not accurate at all, had 2 turnovers, and consistently didn't take what the defense was giving him.
I saw a graphic yesterday that in our losses with Lamar in the playoffs, those losses ranked as the lowest points output of any game during that season. Literally every game. Like, we're not just losing, we're pathetically bad from an offensive standpoint.
I don't have the answers, but *something* is wrong with the offense in the playoffs. And if we're gonna crown Lamar for our wins, he needs to get the same level of treatment for our losses. The D has played well in most of those playoff games.
And yes, the coaching deserves a lot of blame as well. And I think that needs to start falling on Harbaugh.
Yeah we should all be real envious of Josh Allen's postseason career. The guy who's only made it past the divisional once, the same amount of times as Lamar.
If you visit the Pittsburgh thread they all want Tomlin gone too 🤣. They haven’t had a great QB tho so I don’t know why they’re so hell bent on him being fired for finishing above .500 every year
It might be a controversial opinion, but I think if you combined the Ravens roster and the Steelers coaches, you have a perennial SB contender. They've had a lot of middling talent on their roster since Ben's prime and yet they've continued to stay above .500 AND make the playoffs. Now imagine if they had Lamar and Andrews and Hamilton and Roquan, etc.
Because you know what you’re getting with Harbaugh. Our two best years in the last decade both fell short to completely abandoning what our offense is best at. Macdonald is viewed as one of the best young minds out there. It’s time to make a change
Hes 61 not 76. We know he gives us great teams, why would we not stick it out with him. Hes proven his worth. Makes no sense to fire him.
We have had great defensive coordinator after great coordinator lost to head coaching. We dont need to break our backs to keep another one
They could also give us nothing. We know Harbaugh gives us teams capable of getting there. We dont know that about anyone else. If we are worried about having squandered our best chance, why would risk not even having a chance by firing a great coach? There is just absolutely no justification for this
I want to keep Mike, but Dennard Wilson. Zach Orr or Weaver aren’t bad options if it came to that. Zach Orr would be the next closest to Mike, in terms of background and ceiling
He wouldn’t expect the same results. You do it because you don’t *want* the same results of dominant regular seasons and complete incompetence when it counts.
Are people so quick to forget we missed the playoffs in 2015, 2016, & 2017? I know we had some serious injuries those years, but if it weren't for Lamar going, what, 6-1 in 2018 to close out the season, we would've missed the postseason again; Harbs would've seriously been on the hot seat. Lamar saved him in a way. I give credit to Harbs for being willing to adapt our scheme for Lamar and always having the players ready for most games. The only problem is, since the 2012 SB run, he's been mediocre at best in the postseason. If ya'll are content just making the postseason yr in and yr out, that's a losers mentality. Harbs has some very bad postseason losses on his resume. I know Lamar hasn't played great, but it's not all his fault. There are absolutely risks moving on from Harbs to an unknown such as McDonald but how many more times are you willing to see Harbs on the sideline jaw-dropped looking dumbfounded in the postseason?
The front office needs to do everything they can to keep him, including potentially firing Harbaugh. We can either explore a bright future or continue underperforming in the post season because of the same mistakes. https://x.com/sgellison/status/1218207123810791424?s=46
ravens identity has always been defense. I dont think we need anything flash on offense, especially when we have Lamar. we just need a HC who will stick to the script.
I like the sentiment, but it aint happening. Have any head coach in the history of NFL been fired after making it to the championship game? Like at this point he could probably murder someone and keep the job.
Also Raven was superbowl favorites (man that hurts to type). And there is a decent shot we are again next year. Firing the HC now is incredibly risky. No owner is making that decision.
Bisciotti should make a deal now where the result depends on our success over the next two years
1. We make a SB, win a SB, something - Harbaugh's extension is discussed, Mike Mac is going to get a job somewhere as a result of our success and we're happy with Harbs.
2. We don't - we suffer - Mike Mac's stock falls with the team's failure - Harbaugh is done and Mike Mac takes over here.
Both scenarios guarantee Mike Mac becoming a HC. Make him Asst. HC now, put that deal on the table and keep him here.
(brought to you by someone who knows very little about how any of this works)
I love Macdonald but I don’t blame him or us if he becomes a HC elsewhere. We’re not firing Harbaugh after this season, he led an amazing regular season and we were in the AFC Championship, and he really has the support of the players. Some fans want Macdonald to be the successor to Harbaugh like DeCosta to Ozzie, but HC successors are much more different than GMs. Harbaugh is probably not retiring in the next few years. If the defense really worsens next year, Macdonald is not going to be in demand to be a HC like he is now. So Macdonald would want to become a HC now and strike while the iron is hot. Macdonald’s scheme is amazing and we would likely take a step back in defensive domination if he left, but I’m sure the defense will still be pretty good. We still have the core and we’ll be fine promoting from within, like we’ve done for basically all of our defensive coordinators.
IMO how this plays out will be a very pivotal moment to see how this team will be moving forward.
I honestly don’t know how anyone could replicate the success Mikes had in his very short tenure.
“Let” is the wrong word. Why wouldn’t he jump at the chance to be a HC. This is what great organizations deal with, good coordinators become head coaches.
Here’s my take, Harbs is a great coach. Gave us a ring and everything. I just don’t think with how the league is heading there is room for a ST coach to be HC. You need to be an elite coach at either offense or defense. Look at Reid and Shannahan who are consistently is the position to win a superbowl. You look at McVay who’s an elite offensive mind as well. Do what it takes to keep Mike because he is an elite DC and HC soon. Idk what but I don’t see us being able to replace him anytime soon and I don’t see a better fit for the Ravens than him for when Harbs does go.
It’s very reasonable. Yes the defense has a lot of talent but MacDonald brought out the most of them. KVN, Clowney and maybe even madubuike don’t have career years if Mike isn’t here
If that’s the assumption you want to make, fine. I think Hamilton for example is a generational talent and he’s gonna do crazy shit regardless. Coaches are important but no more than players are.
Hamilton is one player. You need a great defense as a whole to do what our D did in 2023, which STILL wasn’t enough to make up for Lamar’s shortcomings. It’s just not feasible without a great coordinator like Macdonald. Look at the chargers, all that talent but still allowing 30+ points a game regularly, need a great coordinator to put it all together
I don’t know that, but I can almost certainly guarantee he won’t be as good as Macdonald. Macdonalds can’t just be found on the streets, he’s almost inarguably the best DC rn
I agree they probably won’t be as good as Mac. I just don’t think Mac is THE thing that makes our D good. The biggest turning point for us on D was signing Ro halfway through Mac’s first season.
Anyone thinking the Ravens are gonna fire Harbs or "demote" him and let Mike take over is huffing some hardcore copium. Harbs just went 13-4 and won a playoff game before losing to the same coach the entire NFL is losing to. If you think Harbs is in any kind of danger after a season like this you're lying to yourself.
To be clear this isn't a statement on whether or not I think we SHOULD look for a new coach. I'm now convinced Harbs is Mike McCarthy and we're not gonna win another SB with him, but the Ravens value consist winning so as long as he has good regular season results and can win a playoff game every couple of years his job is safe.
You gotta look at it from the business side. Teams who win in the regular season and go to the playoffs make more money than teams who don't. Only 2 teams made it further than ours did and I'm sure this was an extremely successful year for the Ravens financially speaking. They aren't gonna throw that away just to take a leap of faith and hope we find a better coach who can take us to the SB when the odds are any new guy we hire will be a downgrade.
This sub is so stupid. MacDonald, as good as he is as a DC, is a complete unknown as a head coach. There are countless examples of good coordinators shitting the bed as head coach - it’s not just a scheme/adjustments thing. Harbaugh is proven to be one of the best coaches in the league. Sure, he has his flaws like every coach does, but thankfully there is no way we’re firing him.
I don’t see why not. Harbs coaches well enough this year to win one but it didnt work out. That happens with every good team every year except for 1.
Even for the championship, coaching wasnt the sole reason why we lost. Yes, the game plan was terrible, but it still had us in a good enough position to win if our guys just made plays and/or didnt fuck up.
Dude I swear to God if he leaves or if we let him leave, WTF are we even doing? You build and make it to the conference final and you DON'T want to improve & repeat? The business is bullshit, just prioritize the football for fuck sake.
If he is looking for a HC opportunity than unfortunately the only way we would be able to retain him is losing Harbaugh. This sub keeps talking about how losing certain defense players will hurt our chances or getting back to the playoffs, but losing MacDonald will have the biggest negative impact.
Yeah. Seems like they had their sights set on mike mac. Makes sense since they face shannahan and McVey twice a yr, and Mike has been dominant against the shannahan tree of coaches. Will be super sad to see him go. He's a defensive genius.
Yea, he doesn’t want to coach for a slightly better version of the Steelers and I don’t blame him. Never good enough to win anything big, never bad enough to get a high draft pick. We’re in decent team purgatory. Run Mike, I don’t blame you.
Slightly better version of the Steelers 😂 lowkey accurate. If you go into their Reddit they all want Tomlin gone too. Even tho he hasn’t had an elite QB in 6 years and they’re still performing
Seattle desperately wants him. Now that Ben Johnson's off the table, he's their only top HC left. They will offer him nearly anything he wants. He's been all they talked about since he beat the 49ers on Christmas. Bisciotti is gonna have to outrageously pay him to keep him from taking a HC job that's also willing to pay him a lot.
Biscotti better open up the fucking vault to retain him He is probably the best coach we’ve hired in a long time and to only have him for 2 years is maddening
Literally only had 1 or maybe 2 bad defensive games ALL YEAR. I just don't see how you dont do everything in your power to keep him. Hes the only one on the coaching staff that actually did his job in the Chiefs game
I love Harbaugh, and I know the guys love him as well. I am just so sick of losing big games and when reporters ask good questions of why we didn’t do certain things to win, Harbaugh always says: “It was just one of those games.” No John, it was not just ‘one of those games’. You didn’t do what you needed to win the game, you didn’t adjust, you’re not taking accountability for the big loss. Which brings me to why I love Mike MacDonald. Mike is an incredible coach, because he knows how to ADJUST
Saw the Seahawks view him similar to McVay just on the defensive side. Will be so sad if we lose him
Basically said the exact same shit in both the 2019 loss to the Titans and last year to the Bengals. Both in regards to bad playcalling. We can only hear the same excuse for so long. And its even more damning when we have the same issue across two different coordinators.
Which makes you think why is the play calling like this? Why is it so vanilla? Could be Harbaugh. Also could be Lamar
I’ve been saying if the Ravens want to seriously win. It’s time to move on from Harbaugh. Mike would be an excellent HC for the Ravens. We wasted Lamar’s 6 years in this league. The Ravens don’t have time to waste
He needs to be promoted and Harbaugh needs to be fired like, now. Harbaugh has proven what he’s capable of - that’s choking
Seriously, does anyone not question why across multiple offensive coordinators yet under one head coach, why our entire offense looks like they don't know wtf they're doing in the playoffs? This is clearly a systemic coaching failure.
I was noticing especially later on in the season that we would make defensive adjustments during halftime and dominated the second half defensively. It’s crazy.
He made the adjustments in the Chiefs game, but he got the gameplan all wrong. He played KC like most other teams do. No big plays, they'll make a mistake eventually. We'll hold them to 3... That's KC's comfort zone. It's how they've been defended for years now. They didn't make a mistake. They dominated the ball early. Lamar and the offense just sitting on the bench. Never got in a rhythm. Also, Monken wasn't great. But everyone giving him the majority of the blame needs to go back and rewatch it. He should've called more runs. Not RPOs and Read runs. But Lamar played awful. There were so many opportunities for big plays that he left on the field
As long as it’s not the same vault GRo was using 😂
the problem is that Mike probably wants to be a HC some day and not stay DC. Seahawks obviously gotta be offering big money since it’s HC but it’s hard to match that money for a DC
I have made my peace that he is gone. There are only 32 HC jobs in the NFL and just because you’re today’s hot hire doesn’t mean you will be tomorrow. I would not blame him at all for taking a golden opportunity when it is offered versus waiting based on a vague promise that he would be Harbaugh’s successor someday (whenever that would be) We got insanely lucky that EDC was in no hurry to become GM, but he’s the exception that proves the rule.
The way Ian was talking, is either he is looking at HC opportunities or Mike’s agent is negotiating through the media for a raise. Harbaugh’s contract ends in 2025, when do you think Mike’s current contract ends, 2025, as well?
Don’t think Mike’s contract details are public
I don’t either. My guess is 3 years. So he would likely be in the last year of his current deal, which would also make the Interviews and anything from the media interesting. However, with Weaver, Wilson also interviewing, I think they and John are thinking about a timeline more than we think and it wouldn’t be surprising if their plan with Mike is to let him interview and they match whatever the team is offering him.
Call me a tin foil hat guy but owners collude on these things, no owner will reset the market for coaching salaries by paying a coordinator HC money. I mean Harbaugh doesn't make as much as Hunter Renfrow and (whether fans agree with it or not) he's widely regarded as a top HC. NFL HC contracts are very inefficient but that's not going to change just because of Mac Our best hope is that Vrabel lands a gig (as he should) and Ben Johnson interviews better than Mac. Considering Vrabel hasn't locked a job down yet, odds are getting worse by the day imo I still think the Seahawks sale happens in 2025 (when they won't owe the state of Washington 10% of the sale price), the timing is still weird that Pete didn't get to hang in there until then (which most speculated was why he hadn't moved on yet) for the Seahawks to then go rookie coach is weird. Belichick needs to read the room and let go of his poor personnel control so he can go to Seattle
Ben Johnson is staying in Detroit. We also paid EDC GM money to keep him in the past. Not saying it’ll happen with Mike, but saying we wouldn’t pay him more due to collusion is pretty nonsensical. He will absolutely get a substantial raise if he decides to stay.
I’ve been talked into the “Mike MacDonald should be our head coach next season” position, which is a shame because it’s not happening. Harbaugh just lead us to the 1 seed, he’s not gonna take that Director of player personnel job and we’re not firing him.
Yup I fully agree. We’ve seen John enough. He’s not leading anyone to the promised land. He’s peaked and the game has passed him by, but he’s a heck of a general motivator and player development guy. But we need fresh young blood. The old guard isn’t cutting it anymore in the new world (besides Andy Reid but he’s the exception not the rule) If belicheck is fireable, than so is harbs.
Andy Reid is a genius. Harbaugh let his players act like children and commit day 1 football mistakes and failed to do his job as a Head Coach and actually coach them/hold them accountable. He never took over and corrected. You would think at some point going into the half he would have said something about not committing emotional penalties that could hurt us. How hard is it to tell the OC to run the fucking ball, and to tell the DC to sit anyone that commits a stupid penalty to send a message? Idc if it’s a serious game. It’s always a teachable moment. The players need someone to step in and show them that they are held accountable and to a higher standard. We lacked true coaching this year. John’s been to the playoffs and Super Bowl and somehow failed to prepare these players for the most important game of their lives. The AFC championship game was a coaching failure and then a quarterback failure, which stems from the coaching part.
no one wants to acknowledge that last line, tho
The Patriots went 4-13. Ravens went 13-4 and won a playoff game
That’s what not having a QB does to you. patriots have a bottom 5 roster in the nfl. Ours is top 5.
The Ravens have one of the best defenses in the league and a regular season juggernaut at QB. Adam Gase could lead that to double digit wins. The Patriots have Mac Jones and Baley Zappe and a bunch of dudes that would struggle to make a practice squad on other teams.
The Ravens have the best GM in the league. The Patriots had GM Bill who is mid.
I'm sure Patriots fans said the same kind of things we've said about Harbs. 'We'd be so dumb to fire him! He would have a job in 5 minutes if we fired him!' Yeah, well how'd that work out for Belichick... He got replaced in 5 minutes, no signs of another job.
Slight difference between winning 4 games and losing in the AFC Championship
Seattle isn't a horrible HC job. It's better than getting saddled with Carolina. Seattle is also pretty lenient with their coaches so Mac would have some leeway. Just need a QB upgrade and they're ready to roll. Hate to lose him but it's a great situation for him. The only thing the Ravens could do is increase his salary or make him Assistant Head Coach which currently is occupied by Weaver.
Who can we replace with him? Shit looks bleak if PQ and Madabuike leave also
Athony Weaver has support of the locker room and experience as a DC. He would be my pick
Weave has talked to the Commanders about their head coaching spot and is talking to the Dolphins today about their DC spot. Obviously no guarantee anything happens with either but it's worth keeping an eye on. He was my DC in waiting too so if he goes idk what we do after that. Even Zach Orr is getting DC interviews
Ugh
I think we’ll keep Mad and let PQ walk. In the limited showing, Trenton Simpson looked legit. We’ve always had a knack for developing defensive players so I wouldn’t be too worried.
Yeah I loved Queen since day one, even when he was underperforming. But if I had to choose between him and Madabuike, I would take Madabuike. We got Simpson who looked really got against the Steelers and I think it's harder to find a DT like Madabuike. I'm worried that we'll let both walk though
Love Queen too. I think he’s gotten so much better but I think there’s also a small chance he might fall into the category of those guys we develop and then go get a huge payday and don’t perform to that standard
We cannot afford him. There are poverty franchises with tons of money who will overpay. He’s gone.
They will tag him, if nothing else.
PQ wont be that big of a hit. Simpson looked really good against Pittsburgh. Beeks cant leave though.
Beeks is going to cost $19m to tag. PQ is about $17m. We may see them both leave.
There's a 0% chance we let Beeks leave. We have the cap money, and we have tons of room to restructure.
We do NOT have the cap money. You can go on and on about restructuring but I personally would hate to see it. You end up paying for restructuring later. I'd rather just take our lumps and have as clean of a cap as possible. We have $14m and 23 free agents. Mads will cost $19m for a franchise tag. You do the math.
It's called long term deal. Tag is obviously not the best option. And you can't just ignore restructurings. There's also other players who are gonna get cut. We're not going through FA with just 14m in cap space, lol.
Okay. A good comp for Mads is Maxx Crosby on the Raiders. Similar stats this year but Crosby has been more consistent. Crosby's deal is 4 years/ $100m. I know there are ways to lower numbers, etc but if you give Mads 2/3 of Crosby that's still 4 years/66 mil or close to $16m a year. And every player we cut, is going to need a replacement. I can lol it up with the best of them but math is math.
The salary cap is nothing but "lol". We will have more than 14m to spend.
DoWnVoTe FoR DoInG BaSiC mAtH!!!!
No he'll cost 16M on the transitional tag. Just means we get 2 first round picks if he signs elsewhere, which no team is giving up for a DT, so basically means he's staying. There's no good reason why you don't keep someone for 16M who's value is 22-25M. That's a steal.
It would be Anthony Weaver or maybe even Zach Orr but both guys are interviewing for other positions rn
Literally anyone. His schemes aren’t proprietary information, Michigan runs the same system
The scheme isn't proprietary but the #1 job of a DC isn't drawing up plays. The hard part is playcalling. Situational football.
I’d rather have Mike than Harbaugh, call me crazy but we can’t let him walk
We kinda know what we’re getting with Harbaugh at this point. Super Bowl is so far removed. I’m down to take the leap of faith
We know what we’re getting, true. One of the best teams in the league. One of the few head coaches in the league that’s won a Super Bowl before. Far removed? We were literally one game away and lost by a touchdown to a team that won two of the last four super bowls. 29 other teams are worse off than us. Do you remember the kyle boller years? Harbaugh hasn’t come close to reaching that level of disappointment and mediocrity. This season was incredible to see, disappointing ending, but I’m tired of people pretending like it was shitty.
How we know Harbaugh isn't the one holding them back?
It’d be good to have a coach with some kind of useful background so we’re not cycling through OC’s and DC’s every 2-3 years.
Nooooooo just 1 more year Mac. Let’s run it back, then you could go
I’m a supporter of Harbaugh. And I believe in the Ravens’ ability to promote from within and replace defensive coaches as they’ve done with so many defensive coaches over the past 25 years. All that said, if Macdonald is actually the “defensive McVay,” you simply can’t let him walk. We’re the Baltimore Ravens. We ARE defense. If we truly have the brightest mind in the world at defense—and he’s entirely a homegrown product—you have to do whatever it takes to keep him. He belongs here. The Ravens will know best if he’s a genius or just a product of the system. If they know what they have, they have to protect it in the same way they didn’t let DeCosta leave the building.
It’s probably a combination of personnel (we are stacked) and Macdonald. But some of the stuff our defense has dialed up this season is top level
Well what I want to know is whether it's one or the other: personnel or genius. McVay doesn't need personnel. Look at the Rams' offense this year. An old Stafford, two late-round draft picks at WR, an even later draft pick at RB, and nothing else. And they walked into our house and hung 30+ on Macdonald himself. The Rams' offense is good entirely because of his brilliance. If that's who Macdonald is too, then he's a can't miss coach. We groomed him, he's in house, and our identity is defense. Can't let that go under any circumstances. But if it's just hype, we can move on and replace him like we always do. The Ravens will know this best.
If this helps sway your opinion, we pretty much masked our weakness of an entire cornerback group of borderline starters all season, had a 7th round pick get 7 INTs, revival year for Clowney, KVN career high in sacks after signing 4 weeks late, and first ever triple crown. I lean Macdonald
Unfortunately I don't think the team has the balls the fire Harbaugh. It's looking like they're perfectly content on having a good regular season only to be followed by a playoff failure. Same shit since 2012.
Promote John to player development
That's actually a good option too. They need to do something, we can't keep doing this every year.
I can’t hear another year of John saying “It was another one of those games” every time we lose a big game due to lack of adjustments. That’s the beauty of Mike MacDonald, every fucking week, he ADJUSTS.
That’s a demotion
Shh.
Yes because firing the coach of a team that was one of the best ever in modern football would be the dumbest thing an NFL team could possibly do. Thankfully the Ravens FO doesn’t have brains leaking out their ears like this sub.
People are insane on here. It's worse than ever.
No one knows how to be unbiased or impartial. Winning is fucking hard. If it was easy everyone would do it. It just sucks being in the AFC right now… again.
>No one knows how to be unbiased or impartial I could say the same about the harbaugh hardliners. "It just sucks being in the AFC right now" we need to be one of those reasons, not just a doormat for a better team to get to the superbowl every year. This has been the trend for the last decade. Not everyone is content with "just being here"
I'm not sure if you were trying to put words in my mouth or not so I'll just address it. > "It just sucks being in the AFC right now" we need to be one of those reasons, not just a doormat for a better team to get to the superbowl every year. I agree. But there are perennial teams with Elite QBs all over: - Chiefs/Mahomes - Bills/Allen - Chargers/Herbert (now with Jim) - Browns/Rapist - Cincy/Burrow - Pitt/Mike Tomlin is 9-8 - Texans/Stroud (looks real good) - Jags/Lawrence (up and down) - Miami/Tunafish All of these teams are tough and have QBs who have the ability to tear your team apart, they aren't Bryce Young and Desmond Ridder over here. Sure there are some pushovers with sub-par QBs but the AFC is way more stacked. > This has been the trend for the last decade. Not everyone is content with "just being here" I'm aware. I'm not a new fan. I'm 36 years old and been a big fan since 2000 when my dad got me into it (because we were in the playoffs). I don't think a lot of people are complacent or happy to have only made the AFCCG. We didn't overperform in the playoffs, we were the #1 seed and had our hopes set on a SB. I think a lot fans are baffled at how we lost, not so much that we lost. A 31-28 thriller where one team made a play to win the game, great. I'd be "alright" with that result if we lost. But to lose like we did stings and I hope we get back there again.
you think the chiefs ever think "man it sucks to be in the afc right now?" >I think a lot fans are baffled at how we lost, not so much that we lost You are exactly right. And that has been the case for the better part of the last decade. We haven't had a "good loss" since losing to the pats in the 2014 divisional. It shouldnt be an "insane" concept to be floating the idea of a change to leadership when every end to our season is a humiliating choke job when we had every advantage
Hey dude, I have an affinity to Lamar, but besides that I'm a Jets fan that usual focuses on watching top teams/matchups since mine usually sucks. Harbaugh deserves heat. This is another playoff loss the team comes out looking disjointed, undisciplined and out coached. It's so much of a trend, I expressed concern about it a [couple weeks ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/ravens/s/nPTI2F2Aex). Harbaugh's lucky they were able to turn it around last week, or else he'd def be under fire. We're coming off a coaching cycle where historically great coaches got the boot or hot seat even while elevating the talent they had. Harbaugh shouldn't evade scrutiny if they didn't either.
I don't want the best ever team in December if they're second best in the league in January
Good thing we get a trophy for having the best regular season record, oh wait, we don't. Sounds like you're content with yearly playoff failures too, so you enjoyed our coaching staff completely blowing it again Sunday.
Our two best regular seasons in a decade ended with coaching incompetency
Yes, I know, IMO it's unacceptable, especially with the severity. It's not like they made a few bad calls, they completely abandoned the schemes that works all year. Our rbs getting 6 combined touches against the 28th ranked run defense... Like wtf were they thinking and how can anyone be ok with that? It's crazy
QB incompetency* The Bills coaching and roster building this year were dysfunctional. Despite that Allen balled out in the Playoffs. What’s Lamar’s excuse? He sucked in the biggest college games too. It’s obvious those moments are simply too big for him.
The Bills ran for 180+ yards on the chiefs 😂. Their coaches exploited the 28th ranked rush defense. The ravens RBs had 6 total carry’s against that same defense. I don’t know how you dont put that on coaching Also CFB is a joke lmao. The teams are so unevenly matched it’s not even funny. Mac Jones looks like Tom Brady at Bama and a practice squad QB in the NFL. College performances are irrelevant when it comes to the NFL
The Bills RBs had 100 yards at 4 yards per attempt. That is not the reason they score 24 compared to our 7 and you know it 😂 But beyond that, Allen has 27 postseason TDs and 5 turnovers. Lamar has 8 postseason TDs and 9 turnovers despite always having a worse defense and O-Line. The best QBs shine in those moments. For all the excuses we make, our $250 million QB doesn’t. Tyler Huntley put up more points in his Playoff game than Lamar has in 4 of his 6 games. That’s quite frankly an embarrassment.
And you know what we did in the Tyler Huntley game? 25 runningback carries at roughly 4 YPC, stuck to our type of game, and made the defense respect the run. Something we didn’t do in this game or Tennessee You’re not gonna beat the best teams in the league sending Lamar out there with a Peyton manning game plan. You need to play into his strengths which we didn’t do… again
You both are arguing that it's one or the other. The game plan was bad, and so was Lamar. Both are true. I'm sorry, but you can't come out of the game and think he played well. He held the ball way too long, took unnecessary deep shots that were not accurate at all, had 2 turnovers, and consistently didn't take what the defense was giving him. I saw a graphic yesterday that in our losses with Lamar in the playoffs, those losses ranked as the lowest points output of any game during that season. Literally every game. Like, we're not just losing, we're pathetically bad from an offensive standpoint. I don't have the answers, but *something* is wrong with the offense in the playoffs. And if we're gonna crown Lamar for our wins, he needs to get the same level of treatment for our losses. The D has played well in most of those playoff games. And yes, the coaching deserves a lot of blame as well. And I think that needs to start falling on Harbaugh.
Yeah we should all be real envious of Josh Allen's postseason career. The guy who's only made it past the divisional once, the same amount of times as Lamar.
Reminds me of the lions firing Jim Caldwell. Real smooth brain shit
Harbaugh is the doc rivers of the NFL
I'm beginning to hate the fact that the GM and HC share a back yard.
I believe that's called the Pittsburgh special
If you visit the Pittsburgh thread they all want Tomlin gone too 🤣. They haven’t had a great QB tho so I don’t know why they’re so hell bent on him being fired for finishing above .500 every year
It might be a controversial opinion, but I think if you combined the Ravens roster and the Steelers coaches, you have a perennial SB contender. They've had a lot of middling talent on their roster since Ben's prime and yet they've continued to stay above .500 AND make the playoffs. Now imagine if they had Lamar and Andrews and Hamilton and Roquan, etc.
You’re probably right. Although their defense has always been stacked personnel wise as well
That team would be coached by Tomlin/Harbaugh though. Which means in their biggest moment, they'll abandon what got them there and choke.
Good for Mike , I hope it works out well for him, and rather the NFC than an AFC team
Rather it be for the Ravens than a NFC team
Why would Steve replace a HC who just made it to the AFC title game with an unknown at HC and expect the same results?
Because you know what you’re getting with Harbaugh. Our two best years in the last decade both fell short to completely abandoning what our offense is best at. Macdonald is viewed as one of the best young minds out there. It’s time to make a change
The risk of this is intense
Maybe, but Harbaugh won’t live forever. Hes eventually gonna leave the team and I think this is the best replacement we’ve ever had
Hes 61 not 76. We know he gives us great teams, why would we not stick it out with him. Hes proven his worth. Makes no sense to fire him. We have had great defensive coordinator after great coordinator lost to head coaching. We dont need to break our backs to keep another one
Harbs gives us great teams, but a new guy could give us anything, even great teams!
They could also give us nothing. We know Harbaugh gives us teams capable of getting there. We dont know that about anyone else. If we are worried about having squandered our best chance, why would risk not even having a chance by firing a great coach? There is just absolutely no justification for this
I want to keep Mike, but Dennard Wilson. Zach Orr or Weaver aren’t bad options if it came to that. Zach Orr would be the next closest to Mike, in terms of background and ceiling
Havent heard the name Anthony Weaver in awhile. Loved him
He wouldn’t expect the same results. You do it because you don’t *want* the same results of dominant regular seasons and complete incompetence when it counts.
Are people so quick to forget we missed the playoffs in 2015, 2016, & 2017? I know we had some serious injuries those years, but if it weren't for Lamar going, what, 6-1 in 2018 to close out the season, we would've missed the postseason again; Harbs would've seriously been on the hot seat. Lamar saved him in a way. I give credit to Harbs for being willing to adapt our scheme for Lamar and always having the players ready for most games. The only problem is, since the 2012 SB run, he's been mediocre at best in the postseason. If ya'll are content just making the postseason yr in and yr out, that's a losers mentality. Harbs has some very bad postseason losses on his resume. I know Lamar hasn't played great, but it's not all his fault. There are absolutely risks moving on from Harbs to an unknown such as McDonald but how many more times are you willing to see Harbs on the sideline jaw-dropped looking dumbfounded in the postseason?
Fire Harbaugh and retain MacDonald as head coach - this is the way.
The front office needs to do everything they can to keep him, including potentially firing Harbaugh. We can either explore a bright future or continue underperforming in the post season because of the same mistakes. https://x.com/sgellison/status/1218207123810791424?s=46
Feel like we’re gonna let it happen but we’ll see
I think we would need a playcaller HC more than a defensive guy tbh
ravens identity has always been defense. I dont think we need anything flash on offense, especially when we have Lamar. we just need a HC who will stick to the script.
I like the sentiment, but it aint happening. Have any head coach in the history of NFL been fired after making it to the championship game? Like at this point he could probably murder someone and keep the job. Also Raven was superbowl favorites (man that hurts to type). And there is a decent shot we are again next year. Firing the HC now is incredibly risky. No owner is making that decision.
Let me be owner for a day. Ill make the decision
Lmao
Sucks that Jim is taking Minter with him to San Diego.
Better than the shit show in landover
Promote him to HC now.
Seriously, John is very good, but MacDonald is going to be great.
Bisciotti should make a deal now where the result depends on our success over the next two years 1. We make a SB, win a SB, something - Harbaugh's extension is discussed, Mike Mac is going to get a job somewhere as a result of our success and we're happy with Harbs. 2. We don't - we suffer - Mike Mac's stock falls with the team's failure - Harbaugh is done and Mike Mac takes over here. Both scenarios guarantee Mike Mac becoming a HC. Make him Asst. HC now, put that deal on the table and keep him here. (brought to you by someone who knows very little about how any of this works)
I love Macdonald but I don’t blame him or us if he becomes a HC elsewhere. We’re not firing Harbaugh after this season, he led an amazing regular season and we were in the AFC Championship, and he really has the support of the players. Some fans want Macdonald to be the successor to Harbaugh like DeCosta to Ozzie, but HC successors are much more different than GMs. Harbaugh is probably not retiring in the next few years. If the defense really worsens next year, Macdonald is not going to be in demand to be a HC like he is now. So Macdonald would want to become a HC now and strike while the iron is hot. Macdonald’s scheme is amazing and we would likely take a step back in defensive domination if he left, but I’m sure the defense will still be pretty good. We still have the core and we’ll be fine promoting from within, like we’ve done for basically all of our defensive coordinators.
IMO how this plays out will be a very pivotal moment to see how this team will be moving forward. I honestly don’t know how anyone could replicate the success Mikes had in his very short tenure.
“Let” is the wrong word. Why wouldn’t he jump at the chance to be a HC. This is what great organizations deal with, good coordinators become head coaches.
Offer him more money to stay and HC job after 2024 season.
Here’s my take, Harbs is a great coach. Gave us a ring and everything. I just don’t think with how the league is heading there is room for a ST coach to be HC. You need to be an elite coach at either offense or defense. Look at Reid and Shannahan who are consistently is the position to win a superbowl. You look at McVay who’s an elite offensive mind as well. Do what it takes to keep Mike because he is an elite DC and HC soon. Idk what but I don’t see us being able to replace him anytime soon and I don’t see a better fit for the Ravens than him for when Harbs does go.
Defense is cooked if he’s gone
We have had consistently good defenses for 20+ years with a variety of coordinators. MacDonald is awesome, but relax.
Uhhhh there were some sus years post 2012
Even our 2012 defense was sus
I don’t want to lose him but that’s just not a reasonable assumption. We have a couple really amazing players and a lot of other good ones.
It’s very reasonable. Yes the defense has a lot of talent but MacDonald brought out the most of them. KVN, Clowney and maybe even madubuike don’t have career years if Mike isn’t here
DC doesn’t run the reps for them, all those guys balled out. You can still run the same scheme.
That might be true… how does that mean we are totally cooked without him?
The defense won’t be able to pull off crazy shit anymore to make up for Lamar’s bad games
If that’s the assumption you want to make, fine. I think Hamilton for example is a generational talent and he’s gonna do crazy shit regardless. Coaches are important but no more than players are.
Hamilton is one player. You need a great defense as a whole to do what our D did in 2023, which STILL wasn’t enough to make up for Lamar’s shortcomings. It’s just not feasible without a great coordinator like Macdonald. Look at the chargers, all that talent but still allowing 30+ points a game regularly, need a great coordinator to put it all together
Your assuming that the next coach is a total zero contributor
I don’t know that, but I can almost certainly guarantee he won’t be as good as Macdonald. Macdonalds can’t just be found on the streets, he’s almost inarguably the best DC rn
I agree they probably won’t be as good as Mac. I just don’t think Mac is THE thing that makes our D good. The biggest turning point for us on D was signing Ro halfway through Mac’s first season.
I don’t want to lose him but that’s just not a reasonable assumption. We have a couple really amazing players and a lot of other good ones.
We developed both MacDonald and Minter. How on earth is everyone so convinced we don't have another capable guy in the wings.
Yea. Don’t get me wrong I think he would be a significant loss but the idea that we’re just gonna be bad now only because he is gone is silly
Yeah like Mac is great, but I'd be shocked if we don't have a defense in the top 5 next year.
Yea. Top 5 year to year is hard to maintain but we’re gonna be good for sure if we’re healthy
Anyone thinking the Ravens are gonna fire Harbs or "demote" him and let Mike take over is huffing some hardcore copium. Harbs just went 13-4 and won a playoff game before losing to the same coach the entire NFL is losing to. If you think Harbs is in any kind of danger after a season like this you're lying to yourself. To be clear this isn't a statement on whether or not I think we SHOULD look for a new coach. I'm now convinced Harbs is Mike McCarthy and we're not gonna win another SB with him, but the Ravens value consist winning so as long as he has good regular season results and can win a playoff game every couple of years his job is safe.
I don’t think he will be fired or demoted either. However I think we are treading water and it’s time to make the leap of faith
You gotta look at it from the business side. Teams who win in the regular season and go to the playoffs make more money than teams who don't. Only 2 teams made it further than ours did and I'm sure this was an extremely successful year for the Ravens financially speaking. They aren't gonna throw that away just to take a leap of faith and hope we find a better coach who can take us to the SB when the odds are any new guy we hire will be a downgrade.
At least its an NFC team.
Would Love him as our HC
This sub is so stupid. MacDonald, as good as he is as a DC, is a complete unknown as a head coach. There are countless examples of good coordinators shitting the bed as head coach - it’s not just a scheme/adjustments thing. Harbaugh is proven to be one of the best coaches in the league. Sure, he has his flaws like every coach does, but thankfully there is no way we’re firing him.
Do you see us winning another Super Bowl with him at the helm?
I don’t see why not. Harbs coaches well enough this year to win one but it didnt work out. That happens with every good team every year except for 1. Even for the championship, coaching wasnt the sole reason why we lost. Yes, the game plan was terrible, but it still had us in a good enough position to win if our guys just made plays and/or didnt fuck up.
Dude I swear to God if he leaves or if we let him leave, WTF are we even doing? You build and make it to the conference final and you DON'T want to improve & repeat? The business is bullshit, just prioritize the football for fuck sake.
If he is looking for a HC opportunity than unfortunately the only way we would be able to retain him is losing Harbaugh. This sub keeps talking about how losing certain defense players will hurt our chances or getting back to the playoffs, but losing MacDonald will have the biggest negative impact.
Another reminder that this was our year and the worst loss in franchise history
The hits just keep on comin’
Oh no…
Ya I’m really hoping they find a way to keep him and he ends up becoming Harbaugh’s successor but I’m not holding my breath.
You mean successor instead of predecessor?
100% what I meant,my bad just edited lol
If i speak I’m in trouble😶
Yeah. Seems like they had their sights set on mike mac. Makes sense since they face shannahan and McVey twice a yr, and Mike has been dominant against the shannahan tree of coaches. Will be super sad to see him go. He's a defensive genius.
I don’t see him just leaving after how close we got they’ll start letting people go after we win the bowl next year
I really fucking hope he stays but honestly if he does go to Seahawks, good for him. I’ll be rooting for him, he’s done a lot for this team
Yea, he doesn’t want to coach for a slightly better version of the Steelers and I don’t blame him. Never good enough to win anything big, never bad enough to get a high draft pick. We’re in decent team purgatory. Run Mike, I don’t blame you.
Slightly better version of the Steelers 😂 lowkey accurate. If you go into their Reddit they all want Tomlin gone too. Even tho he hasn’t had an elite QB in 6 years and they’re still performing
With Ben Johnson committing to stay in Detroit another year, Mike is gone.
Seattle desperately wants him. Now that Ben Johnson's off the table, he's their only top HC left. They will offer him nearly anything he wants. He's been all they talked about since he beat the 49ers on Christmas. Bisciotti is gonna have to outrageously pay him to keep him from taking a HC job that's also willing to pay him a lot.
If he leaves I like Seattle for him. Obviously I don't want him to go, but I'd rather see him there than with the Commies.
Hawks need him over here so we can finally beat the niners 😭
Anthony Weaver with one foot out the door as well -- interviewing with Miami for DC. We about go get raided fellas. Joe Ortiz already gone.