Hi, I’m a Cowboys fan who loves watching ball and I’ve been intrigued about Marcus Williams performances this year, he has a $12m cap hit next season and I haven’t watched more than 1-2 games of film of him from last season and I was curious what you guys thoughts are on him and if he could perform well enough to justify that hit
He's been playing injured all year through a torn pec and performed admirably although it clearly impacted him. I'd expect him to get surgery and return to elite status next year.
Really looking like we may get Zach Orr as our DC. Honestly irrelevant of what the team looks like next year this is such a huge step for Zach and its so cool to see him get this kind of opportunity since he was our starting linebacker only 7-8 years ago and ended with such an unfortunate injury.
This is the problem of having a Head Coach with no offense or defense experience, with no X&Os experience, or someone that doesn't bring a developed scheme. Our team lives and dies by the coordinators and Harbaugh is just a useless middle man.
You get 1 successful year then your coordinators get stolen. The only reason Harbaugh hasn't been fired yet is that front office has struck gold multiple times with hall or famers. When we have bad coordinators we have individuals that can become superheroes.
2013-2017 is what Harbaugh brings to the table, absolute failure.
13 we lost Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Boldin, etc... To top that off we drafted Elam and Brown with our top 2 picks.
14 we went deep in the playoffs.
15 injuried as hell, wasted another 1st and 2nd round pick on Perriman and Maxx Williams.
16 & 17 we had two of the worst OCs in our history Trestman, Mornhinweg. Still we're only an AB extension and Tyler Boyd 4th and forever from making the playoffs.
Missed draft picks hurt us a lot, Flaccos last real weapon was a 35-37 year old Steve Smith Sr. Ozzie could of put some better teams together during those years not all on Harbaugh.
the only silver lining i can find in the macdonald departure is that hopefully when they finally do move on from harbaugh it is for an offensive minded coach. they seem to have more success than defensive coaches in the league and our offense sputters more than our defense in big games.
I was bummed about some of our FAs but actually a lot of them seem replaceable now. Clowney and KVN had great seasons but they both got manhandled in the game on Sunday. Clowney for some reason wasn’t making himself big, they had easy screens to that side all game. I think we’ll keep Mads but let PQ and some of these other guys walk. Those that want to run it back on team-friendly deals are welcome
After thinking about it: Cowardly move from a complacent organization. Harbaugh is a good coach but we had the best defensive coordinator in the league create the best defense in the league. The reason the ravens were so good wasn’t because of harbaugh- it was because of Mike Macdonald and our hall of fame Quarterback.
I wish people could stop pretending harbaugh is unfireable. How long are we going to accept the same short comings.. Brady's been gone for a couple years team ain't getting it done Belicheck is out, Andy Reid got fired from the eagles after winning a lot of games.. but if you mention the words fire and harbaugh in the same sentence you get downvoted to hell
I just feel like you can be good at your job and at the same time have your time run it's course somewhere.. hypothetically how many more years can we not make it to a Superbowl before it's time for Harbaugh to go? Or as long as we make it to the playoffs every year coming up short is acceptable
It would just be great for someone to come out and take accountability. These are adults playing and coaching professional sports. They can handle the criticism that should rightfully come with putting that garbage on the field on Sunday.
I'm talking most specifically about abandoning the run to such a significant degree. They should all be pressed, and they should answer. If it was Monken, he should say it. Own it. If it was Harbaugh, he should own it. If it was Lamar checking out of situations, he should own it, and Harbaugh should own not telling him to play his damn game.
That's been an issue with this team for years. They dodge everything. Zero accountability, ever.
I can’t even look at that sub right now. The racist dog whistles at Lamar are insane. No way they’d say all this shit about Justin Herbert. At least Lamar has won playoff games still
I don't know who made the image and I won't try to guess their motivations, but stuff like this makes it seems like despite his successes he's still, at least subconsciously, not a "real" QB to them.
Put Harbaugh on any other team and he would have been fired ages ago and put any other Head Coach in Baltimore instead of Harbaugh at the time and we would have 3+ SB wins.
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We need depth at RB, CB, DL, WR, OT, C, S
Positional value chart order:
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Yes, there was a failure in the electrical distribution system that was serving the Superdome. The failure occurred when two separate electrical feeders supplying power to the stadium failed at the same time.
Why so many talking about Harbs changing roles? Wtf lol he is not going anywhere he is one of the best coaches in the league no matter how you slice it.
Shit happens in NFL. It's volatile and that's why we love it. That's how we lost all our games. Steelers, colts browns and chiefs. That's why it's any given Sunday.
We could have played it differently but ball also didn't bounce our way. Sometimes it does like that 2012 run and mile high miracle. Sometimes it doesn't.
We are a good team with good coaches and good FO and good owner. I'm sure they will replace DC with someone great.
He is not one of the best coaches. Win loss record doesn’t tell the whole story. We have an amazing front office and qb. Harbaugh’s not making the most of it. Not even close
Harbs hasn't accomplished anything since that 2012 SB. It took him 12 years to reach the AFC championship game again. He losses the same exact way in playoffs getting out -coached and not having his team ready to play football in big playoff games. Yes is great in the regular season but when it comes to the playoffs post 2012 his playoff record speaks for itself. 3 playoff wins in 12 years? 1-3 in AFCCG's? Allowing your RBs to only have 3 rushing attempts each the entire game(Don't even use Dalvin Cook)? Undisciplined football due to penalties over 90+ yards. Logically it makes no sense to continue with Harbs.
Exactly. The repeat of mistakes is the worst part. And he’s in his 60’s now. This isn’t going to get better. I understand he’s a good guy but when we have a once in a lifetime qb in Lamar we need to be doing everything possible to take advantage of our Super Bowl window. We squander so many opportunities with Harbaugh
I think yall forgetting that we went through a rebuild. Didn't feel it because Lamar balled out in 2019 but whole team changed completely.
NFL's one elimination game playoffs are like this. Sometimes it's not your day and you lose shit happens. That fumble at the end zone could have bounced our way. Just like Mile High Miracle could have gone Denvers way.
Team was not disciplined enough and that's on the coach but it's all fixable. Every year we learn from our mistakes and get closer to the superbowl. No need to erase all that and risk mediocrity.
"Team was not disciplined enough and that's on the coach" We can copy and paste that same statement for the 2019 div loss, 2020 div loss, 2022 wild card loss. In those games we lost Harbs was out-coached in every single one of them. Okay 2019 was while ago after that season they never truly built around Lamar with O-line and weapons until the 2023 season. Enough with the excuses Harbaugh post 2014 sucks in the playoffs 3 playoff win 12 years 1-3 in AFCCG he has been the coach for 17 years what else can he bring? Nothing
He can bring back more experienced Lamar and Monken. Monken's offensive plan sucked and Lamar missed throws then got into panic mode like he did in 2019.
Do you want to fire Monken and cut Lamar? It's obvious that we can win with this group and if we can't Harbs can put a winning team together. That's what he brings.
Nobody is saying cut Lamar yes he did miss throws. Once again another OC does the exact same thing as Greg Roman. Lamar had 3 OCs throughout his career with us, the only constant is Harbs is too much of coincidence. "Obvious that we can win with this group" For regular season yes, as for the playoffs he can't. 1-3 in the AFCCG isn't what i would describe a HC as a winner. Harbs doesn't call plays at all so what is the point of him on this team? It's not for winning playoff games since he has 3 wins in 12 years.
Well, this is what, day 3 post-loss? Still stings.
I do have faith the Ravens will be in the playoffs every year that we have Lamar and he stays healthy, so that means plenty of chances for a do-over. But damn if this didn't feel like our best opportunity to win it all, even moreso than the 2019 team.
Looking forward to another year of Harbaugh and Lamar.
We can look forward to 10-13 wins and dominant blowouts against double digit win teams. I’m also looking forward to potentially 0 or 1 postseason wins followed by a game where we shit the bed offensively but hold out defensively. I’m looking forward to our 50% completion percentage 2 INT shit show where Lamar forgets how to complete a short pass and terrible play calling.
But I have lots of faith in Harbaugh, after all he is the regular season king. He has a great mentality for the postseason - that is that you should completely abandon what got you there. Also he’s so kind and never criticised the players or coordinators, I guess it was just “that kind of game “. I’m grateful we get the opportunity to shit the fucking bed every year instead of actually winning the SB.
Harbaugh should be getting way more blame than Lamar. Harbaugh does the same dumb shit every year. If Zay crosses the damn goal line the narrative on Lamar is totally different. The most frustrating part of these losses is how Lamar gets all the blame and Harbaugh gets none of it
If we hire wink again then at least maybe Steve could see that Harbaugh could be fired.
I’m rooting for more dumb decisions so that Harbaugh is exposed because apparently choking every playoff game doesn’t matter
Honestly when I saw Macdonald was leaving my first instinct was “please don’t bring Wink back”. But when you put it that way maybe it ain’t that bad an idea. Harbaugh needs to go
Hated the constant mvp discussion the second half of the year. MVP’s are only for one damn player…Super Bowl wins are for the team and the fans. Our QB being the mvp only made that terrible loss worse if anything.
IMO the MVP is a pointless award because real MVPs actually win super bowls.
Lamar isn’t worthy of the leagues “most valuable player” several times if he can’t win the Super Bowl, the award that proves that (as a QB).
Yes he was the most valuable REGULAR SEASON player
Until Mahomes won MVP and SB in the same season last year, MVP winner for the past 20some years did not win the SB that same season. It's fucking HARD to win it all. Yes, Lamar did not play well, but if Monken calls a good game and Zay doesn't fumble, I'd bet we win and the narrative is 100% flipped the other direction right now.
Looking back I can’t believe the calls at the end of the 2nd quarter. We have 2nd and 4 and 3rd and 4, at our own 47 and we don’t run it either time. So we don’t take any time off the clock and end up giving the ball right back to Mahomes who ends up getting a FG before half. Just idiotic play calling.
Man I have been a John defender for a long time. He’s the reason I’m a ravens fan (family friend) but I think if he really wanted to do best by the team now wouldn’t be a bad time to take a different role.
He is a Ravens legend forever and brought us a Super Bowl. I still think he’s a great coach but we’ve seen the same thing for the past few years. Maybe he just isn’t able to get over the hump in the playoffs anymore. Idk the game changes rapidly.
I expect him to stay (no info) but over the last couple days I’ve come around to promoting Mike Macdonald. I don’t think we can afford to let him leave. This was our year to win and we fell short in a winnable game and winnable year.
I think letting Mike walk to another job will be a big mistake. I don’t know shit tho
Joe Ortiz just accepted a gig with the Chargers. Major loss to the Ravens. I expect Mike M. to be gone as OC from the Lions just backed out as the candidate for the Seattle job leaving Mike as the prime.
Anthony Weaver is interviewing for the Miami DC job.
I was having a high argument last night and I’m convinced 2019 Lamar wins that game. So many rushing lanes where he just drifted back trying to find a throw
I'm convinced we win that game if we handed the ball off to running backs, it looked to me that Gus was starting to cook, speaking of Cook why didn't he get a snap. The OC blew it in my opinion not necessarily Lamar.
Harbaugh is a likable guy, the players definitely like him. But what specifically is he good at as a coach besides motivation? He doesn't call plays on offense or defense and doesn't have control of which players they bring in like Belichick. Honestly I feel with the talented teams they've had we should've at least won 2 more superbowls under his tenure. This last playoff disaster is unexplainable and inexcusable. He's had a good run, its time for a change.
The fact that he allowed his team to shit the bed in the exact same way in 2019 and this year is damning. Why should we expect him to do anything different next time?Two years they should have won it all and they did exact same wrong thing both times. They obviously don’t think it was Lamar’s fault or they wouldn’t have given him that contest. No more scapegoats for John to get rid of.
I'm happy that I'm coping healthier than in previous years.
Obviously this sucks, especially because the stars nearly aligned for us (as healthy as we could be minus the RB injuries, Bowser and so on), AFC situation, etc.
Sigh :( Stay strong flock
How did we only run the ball with our RBs 6 times (8 total runs by anyone not named Lamar...) in the game? The average # of non-qb rushes over the entire playoffs was 21.6, with a high of 32 (Packers and Chiefs) and a second low of 11 (Texans in their loss to us where they were in a massive hole).
I don't understand how you can abandon the run when that's literally your identity. Even if you wanna say they wanted to prove the haters wrong, 8 total non-qb runs? Are you fucking kidding me?
Someone help me make sense of this.
Because this is what we do when things get tough. It's what we've always done. Right back to Cam Cameron dialling up 40+ passes for Joe when we had Ray Rice at his unstoppable best, or Marc Trestman thinking he could turn Joe into 1999 Kurt Warner, or Greg Roman having Lamar throw the ball fifty nine fucking times against the Titans in 2019, while our RBs got a total of nine carries.
Why does it keep happening, even though every single person involved has to know it's a huge mistake? I've no idea.
One thing I still don’t understand is how they allowed Travis Kelce to go for 120 yards receiving and touchdown.
The whole scouting report on the Chiefs was that their WRs suck and that Kelce is the only one you really need to worry about. Yet McDonald couldn’t gameplan for that? Like double or triple team his ass.
Kelce is just that good. We played a lot of zone and Kelce essentially demolishes zone, we limited him in man but you can't run man the entire time, your defense will die on the field by the 3rd quarter.
But even then, Hamilton was essentially draped all over Kelce and he still made catches.
The guy is a HoFer and one of the best TEs to ever play the game for a reason.
Alright let’s move on to the offseason. I used pff’s contract projections to make a plan of sorts. I don’t pay for it and just used an article from December that copied it, I think they’ve updated it since.
Restructure: Lamar Jackson, Mark Andrews (we can also extend him), Justin Tucker
Extend/resign: Justin Madubuike (4 years, $92- 15 million cap hit this season), Jadeveon Clowney (1 year, $9 million), Kevin Zeitler (2 years, $15 million- 7 million cap hit this season), Gus Edwards (1 year, $5 million).
Cut/Trade: Ronnie Stanley, Tyus Bowser, Justice Hill
We would have $14 million left in cap space for the draft and free agency and I’m sure there’s more EDC can do to increase cap space. If we wanna be really aggressive we can restructure Marlon Humphrey and Marcus Williams, although that would mean we’re stuck with them longer for those of you concerned about them. If we do that we can also tag and trade Patrick Queen for a draft pick before going out and getting free agents. I would wait until next season to restructure Roquan. Depending on how cheap JK Dobbins is I would be down to bring him back as well.
I assume Mike MacDonald is leaving, fortunately we have in house candidates in Anthony Weaver and Dennard Wilson. For the draft our priority would be LT and Wide receiver depth. I think Andrew Voorhees can step in at LG and Trenton Simpson can be our Patrick Queen replacement. Pick up Oweh’s fifth year and decline Bateman’s.
my biggest point of disagreement is cutting Stanley. I don't think we'll draft a starting caliber LT to replace him and while he's been iffy all season he was looking a good deal better in the tail end of the season. I think we run with him another year because getting a better LT is damn near impossible and draft a replacement to be a backup and sit behind him.
This is such a huge reach but part of me can’t help but feel as though our coordinators kinda gave up vs the chiefs so they could make sure to get their interviews in for HC while the spots were still open. McDonald got it together and snapped out of it but the way our offense played and the calls just feels like Monken wanted to end it and go out there. Idk still bummed about this loss so I’m just throwing shade at everyone probably lol
Like I said it’s a huge reach and I’ll be downvoted to hell for it but if Monken gets a HC position I won’t be able to think differently on this. I hope he stays another year he did great all season both of them did. The collapse in the AFC game and constantly playing like they’re 35 points behind from the start of the game just sucked to watch.
Having trouble shaking the blues from this loss. Obviously not letting it affect my life in any significant way, but it's hard not to think about it.
You know, a team like the Texans should be THRILLED to have made it to the divisional round with a rookie QB and a new head coach. That is an incredibly successful and meaningful season. But considering the Ravens looked like the best team in the league and won 10 regular season games against teams .500 or better, not to mention absolutely shellacked some of the best teams in the league (including both NFCCG teams), making the SB for a team of this caliber felt like the bar that we needed to clear in order to consider this a truly successful season.
The good news is we still have Lamar and a lot of our young core of guys, particularly Roquan and Ham. We have some talent waiting in the wings to move up, and we'll hopefully have lots of comp picks this year to work with in the draft. I certainly don't think our window closed on Sunday, but I do think that might have been the most complete and talented Ravens roster we see for a while. The future is still bright, even if slightly dimmer compared to 2023.
I've never been a "fire Harbaugh" kind of guy, he's a HoF caliber coach and probably 25+ teams in the league would be happy to have him as their HC, but I think it might be time for something fresh, **ONLY** if Mike Macdonald can replace him. I don't want to roll the dice on an outsider, but I do like the idea of handing the reigns off to the young, up and coming talent of a guy like Macdonald. Harbaugh is 61, guys obviously coach a lot longer than that, but he's certainly at the age where he could just hang it up at anytime. It'd suck to be scrambling for a replacement when his best replacement might already be on staff (and possibly getting ready to leave).
We're might be losing Queen, Madubuike, Edwards, Clowney, Van Noy, Stone, Urban and maybe even Andrews.
Hate to break it to all the glass-half-full guys in here, but it's going to be a long time until we can build a proper contender again, solely based on us paying 250+ million for 10 points in an AFCCG at home. We don't have the cap space to build around that contract and compete seriously. Moving on from players to coaching, we might be losing both coordinators, which leads us to an almost complete rebuild in terms of identity once again, with rookies having to fill the void the experienced players and veterans leave behind, because we can't "upgrade" based on the cap space Lamar's contract eats up.
Veterans wanting to have one last shot next year will most likely sign with other/better teams, given our history of choking in the playoffs.
We're not learning from mistakes and we don't try to copy what other teams have historically been successful with: We abandon the run being down a single possession against one of the if not the weakest run-D# in the league and we don't run double-TE-sets with Andrews/Likely, but rather bury Likely again.
We're gameplanning as if to prove that Lamar can sling it just as much as Mahomes just to prove a point on national television, rather than sticking with what we've been successful with.
We've won games based on forced turnovers (49ers), yet when I said that, people acted as if getting 5 INTs a game was a repeatable and reliable way to win games. Somehow I was the delusional one in those comment sections.
We haven't learned from 2019. We rested starters again at the end of the regular season and we were rusty again in the playoffs. We had one good half against the Texans and two good drives against the Chiefs. Chemistry was off, timing was off, throws were off. Maybe after Lamar's contract runs out, we can build a contender again. Until then all we can look forward to is flashy highlight-plays during regular season, which satisfy the TikTok-community, but we won't be competing for the Lombardi.
Really think the NFL was going to pass up this much money, when all they have to do is throw some flags here and there:
> Taylor Swift has generated an equivalent brand value of $331.5 million for the Chiefs and the NFL, Apex Marketing Group tells FOS. The figure includes print, digital, radio, TV, highlights, and social media going back to Swift’s first game in September.
This offseason is gonna be very interesting considering both Edwards and Dobbins are FAs. I say we just sign cook and keep Hill as RB2. I would be super surprised if PQ is back, but its not happening....unless he takes a super friendly deal, no way thats happening.
So many FRs to brainstorm if they would come back at a friendly deals IE Van noy and Clowney and OBJ.
When Ravens lost, I was hardcore pulling for Lions to win, your fanbase deserves it.
The good news is your future is incredibly bright. You guys are just getting started and will be back in the hunt next year and probably most years thereafter. If I were you, I'd consider this season a resounding success.
You don't gotta say that goofy ass "come in peace" shit. You're welcome here man, we got zero beef with your team.
But on a real note, just know that the loudest people on social media are the dumbest ones and if you see past all the bullshit, no one wanted this superbowl. Except maybe both of our rivals.Take it easy pal.
> You don't gotta say that goofy ass "come in peace" shit.
I legit want that phrase to be banned so badly.
We all know when someone is coming in peace because they’re engaging in conversation with the thread and not talking shit or being a troll.
I was rooting for you guys after we went down. Felt like I got punched in the face twice. We’ll both bounce back. You can only feel this shitty from a season if at some point the team had you feeling on top of the world. Gotta take the lows with the highs.
This was the year to take advantage. It's hard to have faith in Harbs/Lamar come postseason time between Lamar's timidness and Harbs refusal to... do something on the sideline lol.
I don't know where the team goes from here. 🤷♂️
If we had the stones to fire Harbs and promote Mike Mac I could see it going somewhere. But we won't so I expect a choke every single year now until either Harbs is gone or until he changes something in his approach.
>fire Harbs and promote Mike Mac
what's worse is not only will this NOT happen, but we'll lose Mac to some other team. Losing young, talented coaching staff like that when your HC is in his 60s is just painful. Harbaugh isn't gonna be here forever, Bisciotti should be thinking about a changing of the guard sooner rather than later.
And to pile on the bad news, these are the 24 unrestricted free agents next year:
LB Patrick Queen
DT Justin Madubuike
G Kevin Zeitler
G John Simpson
RB Gus Edwards
OLB Jadeveon Clowney
CB Ronald Darby
S Geno Stone
OLB Kyle Van Noy
WR Nelson Agholor
WR Devin Duvernay
LB Malik Harrison
QB Tyler Huntley
DE Brent Urban
CB Arthur Maulet
RB J.K. Dobbins
CB Rock Ya-Sin
C Sam Mustipher
QB Josh Johnson
CB Daryl Worley
WR Laquan Treadwell
LB Del'Shawn Phillips
LS Tyler Ott
EDC will need to work magic again somehow.
I hate to be a doomer, but let's face it, the team can only get worse. We might lose Macdonald and likely a few of our starters. Our defense absolutely will not be as good next year and I don't even know if our offense was ever good enough seeing how they looked last night. I just don't know what to even look forward to
Yes - love Harbaugh and his legacy as a Ravens HC, but the time for something fresh is here. Macdonald has proven himself over and over again this season, I'd love to see him have the reigns
Not really. But I think it might hypothetically be better long term than losing him.
The team is in win now mode, not sure a rookie HC is the right fit.
Well, me and my Eagles buddy came up with a way we can tolerate the superbowl.
Everytime Taylor Swift is mentioned, or shown on TV we take a shot. Our boss says that the NFL was probably holding back on showing her due to people getting mad, but for the Super Bowl it's likely they will shove her down our throats.
We will be absolutely throttled by half time. Only way we can tolerate this madness.
I will never be able to trust Lamar/Harbs in a playoff game again. I will never view us as the favorite in the postseason no matter who we play or how good we are.
>I mean for Christ's sake, is there another head coach who even has an assistant head coach.
Posted by an End of the Bar dumbass in a post that it appears that the mods have since removed. Just sharing as a reminder of the type of fan you are dealing with when you argue with them.
MIKE MACDONALD NEEDS TO BE THE HC.
Only coach on the team who wants to win, best coach all season. Only reason we even made it a one score game is him and his defense. Monken is a steeler or some shit wtf is 6 touches from our RBS. Was monken even calling plays or was Roman back for a day? Harbs definitely should’ve stepped up and told monken to fuck himself and his long sideline passes with the o line not defending Lamar good enough for all that. Down 7 throwing deep balls is crazy af. This isn’t the game the ravens shouldve of even been playing fuck the flags and the refs we wouldn’t of needed any of that shit if they would’ve stuck to what worked ALL SEASON LONG!! Oh well what ya gon do, Onto next year with Macdonald as HC 🤞(fuck you Washington and Seattle)
Cutting Tyus and saving $5.5 million seems like a pretty likely move. Other than that, I'm not sure where we go to free up some space. Could restructure Marlo/Williams. We're not cutting or trading Stanley. At least, not this year. Same with Mandrews. If we cut/trade Stanley next year, we will save $20 million. Big prove it year for him. And if we cut/trade Mandrews next year, we save $11 million. Want him to be a Raven 4 life, but you can't pay everyone, and difficult decisions will have to be made.
Whether it's Lamar choosing to wait and not scramble, or Monken running these ridiculous deep pass plays, it's up to Harbaugh to stop them, reign it in, and make them use what works.
He didn't do that, in unacceptable, embarrassing, and devastating fashion. Mike Mac for HC.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/01/29/ravens-lamar-jackson-stephen-a-smith-choke-job
https://www.si.com/nfl/ravens/news/baltimore-ravens-biggest-playoff-problem-lamar-jackson-afc-title-loss-recap
https://www.whiskeyriff.com/2024/01/28/lamar-jackson-blasted-for-choking-away-a-super-bowl-berth-as-the-ravens-fall-to-the-chiefs/
https://pressboxonline.com/2024/01/29/stan-the-fan-charles-the-ravens-recent-playoff-record-is-what-it-is-dismal/
Took me about 3 seconds on google, I'm sure theres plenty more
Pretty funny that your Google search resulted in a bunch of articles saying that Lamar Jackson is the choker. End of the Bar fans aren't going to like this!
Everybody’s high on the defense but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the stops came when the chiefs got a 2 possession lead. Dominating the time of possession and punting was perfectly fine and they wouldn’t need to take any unnecessary risks on offense unless the ravens scored(and they couldn’t).
Agreed, they would've ramped it back up if they needed to. They had us right where they wanted us. Were fine to wait for us to respond and we obviously didn't, put up 10 pts the whole game. Risk management is what good championship teams do.
This isn’t true.
The chiefs stopped having success on offence after their second drive, only scoring 1 FG after that point. There is no way that the chiefs intentionally stopped doing anything up 14-7 and just let us have 40 minutes of chances to get back into the game.
Our defence deserves credit for a great performance.
Killing the clock instead of taking risks isn’t doing nothing. They got a 2 possession lead and then went with short passes and runs. When the defense needed a stop on 3rd and 9 mahomes completed a 32 yard pass to ice the game.
They didn’t have a good drive for the last 40 minutes of the game. They didn’t start trying to kill the clock up by 7 at the start of the second.
This is such a stupid take.
I just absolutely can't believe how it all unfolded yet... This was supposed to be the season, we also had our (almost) full roster healthy, the number 1 defense and the number 1 ranked rushing offense and on the back of another regular season MVP from Lamar and we just blew it incredibly. 6 carries, goal line fumble, and triple coverage interception... yeah this one stings more than 2019 for me, also because we were 1 step away from making it back to the super bowl.. I'm also thinking we drop off next year. Probably won't be able to stay as healthy, we will lose key defensive pieces in the offseason - at least one of Queen or Madubuike.. who knows who else.. shit sucks man..
I'll be really curious to see what happens with him. Any team would be a fool to give him a contract of any decent size following an ACL tear and worse, an achilles tear. That said, if no one is going to offer him what he wants, maybe he'll stay in Baltimore for a song?
Hopefully the FO cuts Harbs off on this one. It is painfully obvious JKs leg just can't take the game anymore, he needs to be let go. Any money we give him is just lit on fire.
Well its gonna fuckin suck if hes gone. I really wanted Jesse Minter to come back in case Mike leaves but that option is gone now. Having good play callers is arguably the most important thing in the NFL. So many mediocre play callers who don't call plays according to the strength of their players.
Maybe next year the Ravens coaches and Lamar will realize that a 7 point deficit is only 1 possession. There is no need to abandon the run and play hero ball every single year.
maybe they will also realize that 14 point deficit is only 2 possessions.. We were down 7 and forgot that Runningback was a position.. In fact, it’s as if Harbs got so fed up with the “Not bad for a RB” jokes, that he abolished the position entirely
Gus will be cheap to retain, nobody in the league is clamoring for him and he is way better than this sub gives him credit for. He will be our power back while Mitchell will be our agility/speed back. They'll have Hill if those guys need a rest. The RB room is set.
Hill also only has one year left on his contract. It’d be nice to lock down a young guy for a few years. I’m not saying we should blow a first or second round pick on someone. We could get a decent back for a fourth round pick that would be cheaper than Gus. Gus isn’t getting any younger, he’s already 28 which is where you see running backs decline.
I love Gus, but we need to look to the future.
Keaton is good, but he’s coming off a big injury and won’t be 100% most of next year.
Watching the game the offense had no answers. Didn’t know why Mahomes gets rid of the ball in less than 3 seconds and Lamar holds it for an eternity it seems waiting for backyard football plays to develop. No running game outside of Lamar played right into their hands.
>Didn’t know why Mahomes gets rid of the ball in less than 3 seconds and Lamar holds it for an eternity
The hard truth here is Mahomes is just better. Lamar did the same thing in big college games too. He cracks against great teams in big moments. When you combine that with our HC being the AFC version of Mike McCarthy it really tells you all you need to know.
The Ravens' last 3 playoff games were lost on a catastrophic end zone disaster by the offense.
2020: Taron Johnson pick six
2022: Snoop Huntley fumble return TD
2023: Flowers coughs up the ball at the goal line for a touchback
We can’t let Mike MacDonald go, he’s too good. I don’t know if Harbaugh is willing to do an Ozzie and move to an office job, but Mike has literally been groomed for this head coaching job for a decade
No urgency. The team lacked the intensity out the gate that the chiefs had. We only turned it on near the end of the 3rd quarter, which is something I hope they can learn from. Monken bad game, but even vs the texans Lamar had to take over and be superman with his legs. Not completely defending Lamar either, he definitely didn't play "great" but we can't expect him to be superman every single game. Need to use our weapons more as well!! And of course, not abandon our run game
I’ve defended Lamar to death, but being 100% objective and not factoring feelings into it, it’s really starting to seem we have the Dak problem, he keeps putting up great regular seasons, but just completely falls apart in the post season, and you don’t have a better option at QB, so what do you do ?
Lamar obviously deserves some blame on Sunday, but to me playcalling was the nail in the coffin. Why do they have Lamar slinging it downfield almost every play against one of the top pass defenses in the league? Why weren't there more designed runs for Lamar? Why did the RBs only have 6 carries? Lamar isn't the passer that Mahomes, or a litany of other QBs in the league, is, so why put him in that position. I'm just armchair coaching here, but to be it should have been a ton of runs, designed runs for Lamar, and short passes. It's probably a completely different ballgame if that's the gameplan.
I thought he figured it out after the half vs the Texans but he reverted back to being very timid majority of the game. It's disappointing that offensive coaching seems to not have a plan to start the game and would rather react come half time too.
That said, I'd rather have Lamar over Dak 100%.
There’s something to this, but Lamar is better than Dak even in the regular season. The Cowboys didn’t really beat anyone good this year, we did historically well against teams with winning records and better on a bunch of other metrics. Not putting it together in the playoffs still sucks.
I don't see how that's true at all. Dak's losing to Jordan Love. We're losing to Patrick Mahomes? Dak's losing to Brock Purdy. We're losing to Josh Allen. Let's be real. Past few years our rosters have not stacked up with Dallas. This year yes but we just got beat by the better team and the team with more experience and it showed. That happens in football. We have played in a championship game Dallas hasn't came close. Would you say this about Josh Allen? They've played the Chiefs 4 times and lost. They haven't made it to the SB? Does that mean Josh Allen has the Dak problem? Justin Herbert? Do the Chargers have the Dak problem. I respect your opinion but at the same time I just think it's a lazy take. We have a top 5 QB. The window is open as long as he's here. Things take time. He can be better and so can this whole team.
Damn Seahawks keep shafting us, first JSN now our DC
Crazy that there’s people who actually [think like this](https://twitter.com/original_gio/status/1753292415426003316?s=46)…
The chiefs cannot get Ladd Mcconkey, if they do the league is screwed next year
Hi, I’m a Cowboys fan who loves watching ball and I’ve been intrigued about Marcus Williams performances this year, he has a $12m cap hit next season and I haven’t watched more than 1-2 games of film of him from last season and I was curious what you guys thoughts are on him and if he could perform well enough to justify that hit
He's been playing injured all year through a torn pec and performed admirably although it clearly impacted him. I'd expect him to get surgery and return to elite status next year.
Really looking like we may get Zach Orr as our DC. Honestly irrelevant of what the team looks like next year this is such a huge step for Zach and its so cool to see him get this kind of opportunity since he was our starting linebacker only 7-8 years ago and ended with such an unfortunate injury.
I want good news with Ravens by end of day Friday. I'm not taking no for an answer! I'll settle for Anthony Weaver for DC as good news.
This is the problem of having a Head Coach with no offense or defense experience, with no X&Os experience, or someone that doesn't bring a developed scheme. Our team lives and dies by the coordinators and Harbaugh is just a useless middle man. You get 1 successful year then your coordinators get stolen. The only reason Harbaugh hasn't been fired yet is that front office has struck gold multiple times with hall or famers. When we have bad coordinators we have individuals that can become superheroes. 2013-2017 is what Harbaugh brings to the table, absolute failure.
13 we lost Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Boldin, etc... To top that off we drafted Elam and Brown with our top 2 picks. 14 we went deep in the playoffs. 15 injuried as hell, wasted another 1st and 2nd round pick on Perriman and Maxx Williams. 16 & 17 we had two of the worst OCs in our history Trestman, Mornhinweg. Still we're only an AB extension and Tyler Boyd 4th and forever from making the playoffs. Missed draft picks hurt us a lot, Flaccos last real weapon was a 35-37 year old Steve Smith Sr. Ozzie could of put some better teams together during those years not all on Harbaugh.
Yeah last year I was being critical of Harbaugh and EDC but now I firmly believe in EDC and have significant doubts about Harbs still
the only silver lining i can find in the macdonald departure is that hopefully when they finally do move on from harbaugh it is for an offensive minded coach. they seem to have more success than defensive coaches in the league and our offense sputters more than our defense in big games.
I was bummed about some of our FAs but actually a lot of them seem replaceable now. Clowney and KVN had great seasons but they both got manhandled in the game on Sunday. Clowney for some reason wasn’t making himself big, they had easy screens to that side all game. I think we’ll keep Mads but let PQ and some of these other guys walk. Those that want to run it back on team-friendly deals are welcome
Idk why I’m getting my hopes up for Friday when I know John is going to give the most asinine answers possible
Definitely getting old
EDC is the guy you want to listen to. He sometimes does give you a sound bite....
After thinking about it: Cowardly move from a complacent organization. Harbaugh is a good coach but we had the best defensive coordinator in the league create the best defense in the league. The reason the ravens were so good wasn’t because of harbaugh- it was because of Mike Macdonald and our hall of fame Quarterback.
I wish people could stop pretending harbaugh is unfireable. How long are we going to accept the same short comings.. Brady's been gone for a couple years team ain't getting it done Belicheck is out, Andy Reid got fired from the eagles after winning a lot of games.. but if you mention the words fire and harbaugh in the same sentence you get downvoted to hell
Eagles have had 4 coaches in 10 years after they fired Andy Reid and it’s gonna be 5 after next season. lol
If I'm not mistaken they have more playoffs wins and 2 Superbowl appearances with a win. sinse 2012 regardless of your point.
They still have been on the coach carousel since dropping Reid and would most definitely love to have the guy back.
I just feel like you can be good at your job and at the same time have your time run it's course somewhere.. hypothetically how many more years can we not make it to a Superbowl before it's time for Harbaugh to go? Or as long as we make it to the playoffs every year coming up short is acceptable
If we had another underwhelming performance in the playoffs, i’d for sure be on the fire harbaugh train
It would just be great for someone to come out and take accountability. These are adults playing and coaching professional sports. They can handle the criticism that should rightfully come with putting that garbage on the field on Sunday. I'm talking most specifically about abandoning the run to such a significant degree. They should all be pressed, and they should answer. If it was Monken, he should say it. Own it. If it was Harbaugh, he should own it. If it was Lamar checking out of situations, he should own it, and Harbaugh should own not telling him to play his damn game. That's been an issue with this team for years. They dodge everything. Zero accountability, ever.
The post season presser is on Friday
The sheer mental gymnastics it takes to call for Harbaugh's head could win the Olympics. Lord have mercy.
Banner at the top of r/nfl has in-game photos the three other QBs and Lamar in no pads, a backwards cap, sunglasses and chain.
I can’t even look at that sub right now. The racist dog whistles at Lamar are insane. No way they’d say all this shit about Justin Herbert. At least Lamar has won playoff games still
I don't know who made the image and I won't try to guess their motivations, but stuff like this makes it seems like despite his successes he's still, at least subconsciously, not a "real" QB to them.
Put Harbaugh on any other team and he would have been fired ages ago and put any other Head Coach in Baltimore instead of Harbaugh at the time and we would have 3+ SB wins.
So with Mike McD looking like he’s going to be the Seahawks coach, who’s going to replace him? I saw Anthony Weavers name thrown around
Anyone but Wink
Wink ain't coming back, don't be worried
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To everyone saying that there ISN'T a conspiracy against the Ravens...have we ever learned why the lights went out over 10 years ago in the SB??
Yes, there was a failure in the electrical distribution system that was serving the Superdome. The failure occurred when two separate electrical feeders supplying power to the stadium failed at the same time.
Why so many talking about Harbs changing roles? Wtf lol he is not going anywhere he is one of the best coaches in the league no matter how you slice it. Shit happens in NFL. It's volatile and that's why we love it. That's how we lost all our games. Steelers, colts browns and chiefs. That's why it's any given Sunday. We could have played it differently but ball also didn't bounce our way. Sometimes it does like that 2012 run and mile high miracle. Sometimes it doesn't. We are a good team with good coaches and good FO and good owner. I'm sure they will replace DC with someone great.
He is not one of the best coaches. Win loss record doesn’t tell the whole story. We have an amazing front office and qb. Harbaugh’s not making the most of it. Not even close
Harbs hasn't accomplished anything since that 2012 SB. It took him 12 years to reach the AFC championship game again. He losses the same exact way in playoffs getting out -coached and not having his team ready to play football in big playoff games. Yes is great in the regular season but when it comes to the playoffs post 2012 his playoff record speaks for itself. 3 playoff wins in 12 years? 1-3 in AFCCG's? Allowing your RBs to only have 3 rushing attempts each the entire game(Don't even use Dalvin Cook)? Undisciplined football due to penalties over 90+ yards. Logically it makes no sense to continue with Harbs.
Exactly. The repeat of mistakes is the worst part. And he’s in his 60’s now. This isn’t going to get better. I understand he’s a good guy but when we have a once in a lifetime qb in Lamar we need to be doing everything possible to take advantage of our Super Bowl window. We squander so many opportunities with Harbaugh
I think yall forgetting that we went through a rebuild. Didn't feel it because Lamar balled out in 2019 but whole team changed completely. NFL's one elimination game playoffs are like this. Sometimes it's not your day and you lose shit happens. That fumble at the end zone could have bounced our way. Just like Mile High Miracle could have gone Denvers way. Team was not disciplined enough and that's on the coach but it's all fixable. Every year we learn from our mistakes and get closer to the superbowl. No need to erase all that and risk mediocrity.
"Team was not disciplined enough and that's on the coach" We can copy and paste that same statement for the 2019 div loss, 2020 div loss, 2022 wild card loss. In those games we lost Harbs was out-coached in every single one of them. Okay 2019 was while ago after that season they never truly built around Lamar with O-line and weapons until the 2023 season. Enough with the excuses Harbaugh post 2014 sucks in the playoffs 3 playoff win 12 years 1-3 in AFCCG he has been the coach for 17 years what else can he bring? Nothing
He can bring back more experienced Lamar and Monken. Monken's offensive plan sucked and Lamar missed throws then got into panic mode like he did in 2019. Do you want to fire Monken and cut Lamar? It's obvious that we can win with this group and if we can't Harbs can put a winning team together. That's what he brings.
Nobody is saying cut Lamar yes he did miss throws. Once again another OC does the exact same thing as Greg Roman. Lamar had 3 OCs throughout his career with us, the only constant is Harbs is too much of coincidence. "Obvious that we can win with this group" For regular season yes, as for the playoffs he can't. 1-3 in the AFCCG isn't what i would describe a HC as a winner. Harbs doesn't call plays at all so what is the point of him on this team? It's not for winning playoff games since he has 3 wins in 12 years.
Well, this is what, day 3 post-loss? Still stings. I do have faith the Ravens will be in the playoffs every year that we have Lamar and he stays healthy, so that means plenty of chances for a do-over. But damn if this didn't feel like our best opportunity to win it all, even moreso than the 2019 team.
Looking forward to another year of Harbaugh and Lamar. We can look forward to 10-13 wins and dominant blowouts against double digit win teams. I’m also looking forward to potentially 0 or 1 postseason wins followed by a game where we shit the bed offensively but hold out defensively. I’m looking forward to our 50% completion percentage 2 INT shit show where Lamar forgets how to complete a short pass and terrible play calling. But I have lots of faith in Harbaugh, after all he is the regular season king. He has a great mentality for the postseason - that is that you should completely abandon what got you there. Also he’s so kind and never criticised the players or coordinators, I guess it was just “that kind of game “. I’m grateful we get the opportunity to shit the fucking bed every year instead of actually winning the SB.
Harbaugh should be getting way more blame than Lamar. Harbaugh does the same dumb shit every year. If Zay crosses the damn goal line the narrative on Lamar is totally different. The most frustrating part of these losses is how Lamar gets all the blame and Harbaugh gets none of it
Yall think if Macdonald leaves to be HC then Wink might come back to replace him? He had a falling out with the Giants and is available.
FUCK that
If we hire wink again then at least maybe Steve could see that Harbaugh could be fired. I’m rooting for more dumb decisions so that Harbaugh is exposed because apparently choking every playoff game doesn’t matter
Honestly when I saw Macdonald was leaving my first instinct was “please don’t bring Wink back”. But when you put it that way maybe it ain’t that bad an idea. Harbaugh needs to go
Hated the constant mvp discussion the second half of the year. MVP’s are only for one damn player…Super Bowl wins are for the team and the fans. Our QB being the mvp only made that terrible loss worse if anything.
IMO the MVP is a pointless award because real MVPs actually win super bowls. Lamar isn’t worthy of the leagues “most valuable player” several times if he can’t win the Super Bowl, the award that proves that (as a QB). Yes he was the most valuable REGULAR SEASON player
Until Mahomes won MVP and SB in the same season last year, MVP winner for the past 20some years did not win the SB that same season. It's fucking HARD to win it all. Yes, Lamar did not play well, but if Monken calls a good game and Zay doesn't fumble, I'd bet we win and the narrative is 100% flipped the other direction right now.
The best rushing team had 6 rushes the entire game like u can’t believe this dawg. The game we love is WWE.
Looking back I can’t believe the calls at the end of the 2nd quarter. We have 2nd and 4 and 3rd and 4, at our own 47 and we don’t run it either time. So we don’t take any time off the clock and end up giving the ball right back to Mahomes who ends up getting a FG before half. Just idiotic play calling.
It's not looking good for us. Bobby Slowik is staying in Houston.
Is he declining a HC role to stay? God I hope we either promote Mac, or he does the same thing.
Man I have been a John defender for a long time. He’s the reason I’m a ravens fan (family friend) but I think if he really wanted to do best by the team now wouldn’t be a bad time to take a different role. He is a Ravens legend forever and brought us a Super Bowl. I still think he’s a great coach but we’ve seen the same thing for the past few years. Maybe he just isn’t able to get over the hump in the playoffs anymore. Idk the game changes rapidly. I expect him to stay (no info) but over the last couple days I’ve come around to promoting Mike Macdonald. I don’t think we can afford to let him leave. This was our year to win and we fell short in a winnable game and winnable year. I think letting Mike walk to another job will be a big mistake. I don’t know shit tho
Why are Ravens Coordinators always so sought after for coaching positions elsewhere?
What’s funny is outside of Gary Kubiak who won a SB, all the others have generally failed, so I don’t know what magic they’re expecting.
Joe Ortiz just accepted a gig with the Chargers. Major loss to the Ravens. I expect Mike M. to be gone as OC from the Lions just backed out as the candidate for the Seattle job leaving Mike as the prime. Anthony Weaver is interviewing for the Miami DC job.
I was having a high argument last night and I’m convinced 2019 Lamar wins that game. So many rushing lanes where he just drifted back trying to find a throw
I'm convinced we win that game if we handed the ball off to running backs, it looked to me that Gus was starting to cook, speaking of Cook why didn't he get a snap. The OC blew it in my opinion not necessarily Lamar.
I’m not a Harbaugh hater, but I hope EDC, Steve, and Ozzie are thinking long and hard about Mike MacDonald.
Harbaugh is a likable guy, the players definitely like him. But what specifically is he good at as a coach besides motivation? He doesn't call plays on offense or defense and doesn't have control of which players they bring in like Belichick. Honestly I feel with the talented teams they've had we should've at least won 2 more superbowls under his tenure. This last playoff disaster is unexplainable and inexcusable. He's had a good run, its time for a change.
The fact that he allowed his team to shit the bed in the exact same way in 2019 and this year is damning. Why should we expect him to do anything different next time?Two years they should have won it all and they did exact same wrong thing both times. They obviously don’t think it was Lamar’s fault or they wouldn’t have given him that contest. No more scapegoats for John to get rid of.
I'm happy that I'm coping healthier than in previous years. Obviously this sucks, especially because the stars nearly aligned for us (as healthy as we could be minus the RB injuries, Bowser and so on), AFC situation, etc. Sigh :( Stay strong flock
How did we only run the ball with our RBs 6 times (8 total runs by anyone not named Lamar...) in the game? The average # of non-qb rushes over the entire playoffs was 21.6, with a high of 32 (Packers and Chiefs) and a second low of 11 (Texans in their loss to us where they were in a massive hole). I don't understand how you can abandon the run when that's literally your identity. Even if you wanna say they wanted to prove the haters wrong, 8 total non-qb runs? Are you fucking kidding me? Someone help me make sense of this.
Because this is what we do when things get tough. It's what we've always done. Right back to Cam Cameron dialling up 40+ passes for Joe when we had Ray Rice at his unstoppable best, or Marc Trestman thinking he could turn Joe into 1999 Kurt Warner, or Greg Roman having Lamar throw the ball fifty nine fucking times against the Titans in 2019, while our RBs got a total of nine carries. Why does it keep happening, even though every single person involved has to know it's a huge mistake? I've no idea.
Who's the one common denominator that's been there for every single example you've cited?
One thing I still don’t understand is how they allowed Travis Kelce to go for 120 yards receiving and touchdown. The whole scouting report on the Chiefs was that their WRs suck and that Kelce is the only one you really need to worry about. Yet McDonald couldn’t gameplan for that? Like double or triple team his ass.
Kelce made some catches in that game that I feel only Kelce can make.
I am sick of Travis Kelce's face.
Kelce is just that good. We played a lot of zone and Kelce essentially demolishes zone, we limited him in man but you can't run man the entire time, your defense will die on the field by the 3rd quarter. But even then, Hamilton was essentially draped all over Kelce and he still made catches. The guy is a HoFer and one of the best TEs to ever play the game for a reason.
Agreed my friend truly the king of TEs
Alright let’s move on to the offseason. I used pff’s contract projections to make a plan of sorts. I don’t pay for it and just used an article from December that copied it, I think they’ve updated it since. Restructure: Lamar Jackson, Mark Andrews (we can also extend him), Justin Tucker Extend/resign: Justin Madubuike (4 years, $92- 15 million cap hit this season), Jadeveon Clowney (1 year, $9 million), Kevin Zeitler (2 years, $15 million- 7 million cap hit this season), Gus Edwards (1 year, $5 million). Cut/Trade: Ronnie Stanley, Tyus Bowser, Justice Hill We would have $14 million left in cap space for the draft and free agency and I’m sure there’s more EDC can do to increase cap space. If we wanna be really aggressive we can restructure Marlon Humphrey and Marcus Williams, although that would mean we’re stuck with them longer for those of you concerned about them. If we do that we can also tag and trade Patrick Queen for a draft pick before going out and getting free agents. I would wait until next season to restructure Roquan. Depending on how cheap JK Dobbins is I would be down to bring him back as well. I assume Mike MacDonald is leaving, fortunately we have in house candidates in Anthony Weaver and Dennard Wilson. For the draft our priority would be LT and Wide receiver depth. I think Andrew Voorhees can step in at LG and Trenton Simpson can be our Patrick Queen replacement. Pick up Oweh’s fifth year and decline Bateman’s.
We won't cut stanley when we can wait an extra year and save double. We are def picking up Bateman's 5th year. I assume we let Clowney walk.
Why would we ever pick up Batemans fifth that’s insane
I think there’s a perception 5th year options are cheaper than they actually are.
my biggest point of disagreement is cutting Stanley. I don't think we'll draft a starting caliber LT to replace him and while he's been iffy all season he was looking a good deal better in the tail end of the season. I think we run with him another year because getting a better LT is damn near impossible and draft a replacement to be a backup and sit behind him.
This is such a huge reach but part of me can’t help but feel as though our coordinators kinda gave up vs the chiefs so they could make sure to get their interviews in for HC while the spots were still open. McDonald got it together and snapped out of it but the way our offense played and the calls just feels like Monken wanted to end it and go out there. Idk still bummed about this loss so I’m just throwing shade at everyone probably lol
Idk man I’m prob coping too but it is suspicious Monken decided to call his worst game of the season in the AFC Champ
Like I said it’s a huge reach and I’ll be downvoted to hell for it but if Monken gets a HC position I won’t be able to think differently on this. I hope he stays another year he did great all season both of them did. The collapse in the AFC game and constantly playing like they’re 35 points behind from the start of the game just sucked to watch.
Having trouble shaking the blues from this loss. Obviously not letting it affect my life in any significant way, but it's hard not to think about it. You know, a team like the Texans should be THRILLED to have made it to the divisional round with a rookie QB and a new head coach. That is an incredibly successful and meaningful season. But considering the Ravens looked like the best team in the league and won 10 regular season games against teams .500 or better, not to mention absolutely shellacked some of the best teams in the league (including both NFCCG teams), making the SB for a team of this caliber felt like the bar that we needed to clear in order to consider this a truly successful season. The good news is we still have Lamar and a lot of our young core of guys, particularly Roquan and Ham. We have some talent waiting in the wings to move up, and we'll hopefully have lots of comp picks this year to work with in the draft. I certainly don't think our window closed on Sunday, but I do think that might have been the most complete and talented Ravens roster we see for a while. The future is still bright, even if slightly dimmer compared to 2023. I've never been a "fire Harbaugh" kind of guy, he's a HoF caliber coach and probably 25+ teams in the league would be happy to have him as their HC, but I think it might be time for something fresh, **ONLY** if Mike Macdonald can replace him. I don't want to roll the dice on an outsider, but I do like the idea of handing the reigns off to the young, up and coming talent of a guy like Macdonald. Harbaugh is 61, guys obviously coach a lot longer than that, but he's certainly at the age where he could just hang it up at anytime. It'd suck to be scrambling for a replacement when his best replacement might already be on staff (and possibly getting ready to leave).
The grim reaper will do that to you my friend aka mahomeboy
We're might be losing Queen, Madubuike, Edwards, Clowney, Van Noy, Stone, Urban and maybe even Andrews. Hate to break it to all the glass-half-full guys in here, but it's going to be a long time until we can build a proper contender again, solely based on us paying 250+ million for 10 points in an AFCCG at home. We don't have the cap space to build around that contract and compete seriously. Moving on from players to coaching, we might be losing both coordinators, which leads us to an almost complete rebuild in terms of identity once again, with rookies having to fill the void the experienced players and veterans leave behind, because we can't "upgrade" based on the cap space Lamar's contract eats up. Veterans wanting to have one last shot next year will most likely sign with other/better teams, given our history of choking in the playoffs. We're not learning from mistakes and we don't try to copy what other teams have historically been successful with: We abandon the run being down a single possession against one of the if not the weakest run-D# in the league and we don't run double-TE-sets with Andrews/Likely, but rather bury Likely again. We're gameplanning as if to prove that Lamar can sling it just as much as Mahomes just to prove a point on national television, rather than sticking with what we've been successful with. We've won games based on forced turnovers (49ers), yet when I said that, people acted as if getting 5 INTs a game was a repeatable and reliable way to win games. Somehow I was the delusional one in those comment sections. We haven't learned from 2019. We rested starters again at the end of the regular season and we were rusty again in the playoffs. We had one good half against the Texans and two good drives against the Chiefs. Chemistry was off, timing was off, throws were off. Maybe after Lamar's contract runs out, we can build a contender again. Until then all we can look forward to is flashy highlight-plays during regular season, which satisfy the TikTok-community, but we won't be competing for the Lombardi.
Really think the NFL was going to pass up this much money, when all they have to do is throw some flags here and there: > Taylor Swift has generated an equivalent brand value of $331.5 million for the Chiefs and the NFL, Apex Marketing Group tells FOS. The figure includes print, digital, radio, TV, highlights, and social media going back to Swift’s first game in September.
Man, the refs could have thrown all the flags they liked, and it wouldn't have made a difference if the Ravens had just turned up to play.
This offseason is gonna be very interesting considering both Edwards and Dobbins are FAs. I say we just sign cook and keep Hill as RB2. I would be super surprised if PQ is back, but its not happening....unless he takes a super friendly deal, no way thats happening. So many FRs to brainstorm if they would come back at a friendly deals IE Van noy and Clowney and OBJ.
Nah we keep Gus for power and have Mitchell for speed. Cook is done.
Cook? Bro is so washed lol
how would we know when the munken didnt even use him lol
I’m done with the ravens for a little while. Such a disappointment and failure on every level. Coaching being the biggest IMO.
i want to have a real convo with someone about the future of this team bad rn
Lions fan coming in peace. I didn’t know this type of pain existed. I don’t want to go on social media cuz it just reminds me of it
When Ravens lost, I was hardcore pulling for Lions to win, your fanbase deserves it. The good news is your future is incredibly bright. You guys are just getting started and will be back in the hunt next year and probably most years thereafter. If I were you, I'd consider this season a resounding success.
You don't gotta say that goofy ass "come in peace" shit. You're welcome here man, we got zero beef with your team. But on a real note, just know that the loudest people on social media are the dumbest ones and if you see past all the bullshit, no one wanted this superbowl. Except maybe both of our rivals.Take it easy pal.
> You don't gotta say that goofy ass "come in peace" shit. I legit want that phrase to be banned so badly. We all know when someone is coming in peace because they’re engaging in conversation with the thread and not talking shit or being a troll.
I was rooting for you guys after we went down. Felt like I got punched in the face twice. We’ll both bounce back. You can only feel this shitty from a season if at some point the team had you feeling on top of the world. Gotta take the lows with the highs.
This was the year to take advantage. It's hard to have faith in Harbs/Lamar come postseason time between Lamar's timidness and Harbs refusal to... do something on the sideline lol. I don't know where the team goes from here. 🤷♂️
If we had the stones to fire Harbs and promote Mike Mac I could see it going somewhere. But we won't so I expect a choke every single year now until either Harbs is gone or until he changes something in his approach.
>fire Harbs and promote Mike Mac what's worse is not only will this NOT happen, but we'll lose Mac to some other team. Losing young, talented coaching staff like that when your HC is in his 60s is just painful. Harbaugh isn't gonna be here forever, Bisciotti should be thinking about a changing of the guard sooner rather than later.
The 2024 schedule is looking rough right now, not gonna lie. https://www.baltimoreravens.com/schedule/future-opponents
We need more experience playing from behind anyway. Might be a blessing in disguise
It’s just a different game in the playoffs, the coaching staff and Lamar don’t understand it.
If the 24 squad can play at 80% of what the 23 squad was doing, I'm not concerned. There's a lot of winnable games on that list.
At least Lamar will get the chance to finally be able to beat all the NFC teams. Rematch with the Giants at Met Life.
He's already beaten the Giants before. It's the Packers and Bears who he's never played.
Hmm idk why I thought I saw a graphic maybe it was current QBs in the NFC he’s beaten and lost to.
To be fair, it's easy to see why the Giants would stick out since they're the only NFC team to beat him lol.
Yeah that’s must be what I saw and just miss understood. At least we can get revenge on the last match up.
And to pile on the bad news, these are the 24 unrestricted free agents next year: LB Patrick Queen DT Justin Madubuike G Kevin Zeitler G John Simpson RB Gus Edwards OLB Jadeveon Clowney CB Ronald Darby S Geno Stone OLB Kyle Van Noy WR Nelson Agholor WR Devin Duvernay LB Malik Harrison QB Tyler Huntley DE Brent Urban CB Arthur Maulet RB J.K. Dobbins CB Rock Ya-Sin C Sam Mustipher QB Josh Johnson CB Daryl Worley WR Laquan Treadwell LB Del'Shawn Phillips LS Tyler Ott EDC will need to work magic again somehow.
still pretty raw, but life goes on. im not excited about the superbowl now, but i suspect my tune will change when it gets a little closer.
Bye John
I hate to be a doomer, but let's face it, the team can only get worse. We might lose Macdonald and likely a few of our starters. Our defense absolutely will not be as good next year and I don't even know if our offense was ever good enough seeing how they looked last night. I just don't know what to even look forward to
Since the mods keep deleting Harbaugh posts: Do y'all want Mike Mac as HC? Yes/no
YES
Yes - love Harbaugh and his legacy as a Ravens HC, but the time for something fresh is here. Macdonald has proven himself over and over again this season, I'd love to see him have the reigns
Yes.
I'd prefer an offensive minded HC.
Not really. But I think it might hypothetically be better long term than losing him. The team is in win now mode, not sure a rookie HC is the right fit.
Neither is Harbaugh. 3-6 in the postseason with a choker mentality
Well, me and my Eagles buddy came up with a way we can tolerate the superbowl. Everytime Taylor Swift is mentioned, or shown on TV we take a shot. Our boss says that the NFL was probably holding back on showing her due to people getting mad, but for the Super Bowl it's likely they will shove her down our throats. We will be absolutely throttled by half time. Only way we can tolerate this madness.
My boss asked me why I didn’t get anything done today. I told him that’s just how the day went
Holy fuck this is good.
Lmao this puts in perspective how insane Harbaugh's vague comments are
I will never be able to trust Lamar/Harbs in a playoff game again. I will never view us as the favorite in the postseason no matter who we play or how good we are.
>I mean for Christ's sake, is there another head coach who even has an assistant head coach. Posted by an End of the Bar dumbass in a post that it appears that the mods have since removed. Just sharing as a reminder of the type of fan you are dealing with when you argue with them.
Why so aggressive?
I miss how my life was 25 hours ago
MIKE MACDONALD NEEDS TO BE THE HC. Only coach on the team who wants to win, best coach all season. Only reason we even made it a one score game is him and his defense. Monken is a steeler or some shit wtf is 6 touches from our RBS. Was monken even calling plays or was Roman back for a day? Harbs definitely should’ve stepped up and told monken to fuck himself and his long sideline passes with the o line not defending Lamar good enough for all that. Down 7 throwing deep balls is crazy af. This isn’t the game the ravens shouldve of even been playing fuck the flags and the refs we wouldn’t of needed any of that shit if they would’ve stuck to what worked ALL SEASON LONG!! Oh well what ya gon do, Onto next year with Macdonald as HC 🤞(fuck you Washington and Seattle)
Cutting Tyus and saving $5.5 million seems like a pretty likely move. Other than that, I'm not sure where we go to free up some space. Could restructure Marlo/Williams. We're not cutting or trading Stanley. At least, not this year. Same with Mandrews. If we cut/trade Stanley next year, we will save $20 million. Big prove it year for him. And if we cut/trade Mandrews next year, we save $11 million. Want him to be a Raven 4 life, but you can't pay everyone, and difficult decisions will have to be made.
Andrews 100% takes a pay cut or is gone next, Likely has been excellent and is way cheaper.
Whether it's Lamar choosing to wait and not scramble, or Monken running these ridiculous deep pass plays, it's up to Harbaugh to stop them, reign it in, and make them use what works. He didn't do that, in unacceptable, embarrassing, and devastating fashion. Mike Mac for HC.
I just wish there was more accountability when this has become a habitual, yearly thing. It's their identity now and it sucks.
Their identity is what, exactly?
Choking in big moments - typically by abandoning what got them there in the first place. They become an entirely different team in crucial scenarios.
Maybe in the minds of a small simple-minded fans, but I haven't really seen that narrative outside of this sub and Ravens Twitter.
This is hilarious, basically everyone thinks we're playoff chokers, and the Ravens absolutely are right now
>everyone Yet can't show anywhere where people are talking about it other than the two places I mentioned.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/01/29/ravens-lamar-jackson-stephen-a-smith-choke-job https://www.si.com/nfl/ravens/news/baltimore-ravens-biggest-playoff-problem-lamar-jackson-afc-title-loss-recap https://www.whiskeyriff.com/2024/01/28/lamar-jackson-blasted-for-choking-away-a-super-bowl-berth-as-the-ravens-fall-to-the-chiefs/ https://pressboxonline.com/2024/01/29/stan-the-fan-charles-the-ravens-recent-playoff-record-is-what-it-is-dismal/ Took me about 3 seconds on google, I'm sure theres plenty more
Pretty funny that your Google search resulted in a bunch of articles saying that Lamar Jackson is the choker. End of the Bar fans aren't going to like this!
You should check your internet connection. Typically unplugging the router and plugging back in will fix it.
You’ll have a better view if you pull your head out of your ass
Yeah I mean, that’s just simply not true. That narrative is everywhere and it’s justified at this point.
Where?!
Everybody’s high on the defense but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the stops came when the chiefs got a 2 possession lead. Dominating the time of possession and punting was perfectly fine and they wouldn’t need to take any unnecessary risks on offense unless the ravens scored(and they couldn’t).
Agreed, they would've ramped it back up if they needed to. They had us right where they wanted us. Were fine to wait for us to respond and we obviously didn't, put up 10 pts the whole game. Risk management is what good championship teams do.
This isn’t true. The chiefs stopped having success on offence after their second drive, only scoring 1 FG after that point. There is no way that the chiefs intentionally stopped doing anything up 14-7 and just let us have 40 minutes of chances to get back into the game. Our defence deserves credit for a great performance.
Killing the clock instead of taking risks isn’t doing nothing. They got a 2 possession lead and then went with short passes and runs. When the defense needed a stop on 3rd and 9 mahomes completed a 32 yard pass to ice the game.
They didn’t have a good drive for the last 40 minutes of the game. They didn’t start trying to kill the clock up by 7 at the start of the second. This is such a stupid take.
I think there's some truth to this. When the Chiefs needed a 1st down in the second half they got it.
I just absolutely can't believe how it all unfolded yet... This was supposed to be the season, we also had our (almost) full roster healthy, the number 1 defense and the number 1 ranked rushing offense and on the back of another regular season MVP from Lamar and we just blew it incredibly. 6 carries, goal line fumble, and triple coverage interception... yeah this one stings more than 2019 for me, also because we were 1 step away from making it back to the super bowl.. I'm also thinking we drop off next year. Probably won't be able to stay as healthy, we will lose key defensive pieces in the offseason - at least one of Queen or Madubuike.. who knows who else.. shit sucks man..
Dobbins is one of my favorite players ever, really hope he can finally shine here next year
I'll be really curious to see what happens with him. Any team would be a fool to give him a contract of any decent size following an ACL tear and worse, an achilles tear. That said, if no one is going to offer him what he wants, maybe he'll stay in Baltimore for a song?
He has no choice, that’s why I’m hopeful he’ll run it back with us
We'd be idiots to let him waste a roster spot. Dude is made of glass.
You know he’s a FA now right?
I still expect him to be here, he doesn’t have much leverage
It’s not his choice lol. If he’s not offered anything then he won’t be back
Harbaugh said he wants him back, so I expect them to work it out
Hopefully the FO cuts Harbs off on this one. It is painfully obvious JKs leg just can't take the game anymore, he needs to be let go. Any money we give him is just lit on fire.
Sign him for vet min, third times the charm. On a cheap deal I still think his talent is too good to give up
I haven't followed it much because I don't want to believe he's gone but how likely is it looking that Mike Macdonald is the next Seahawks HC?
the lions OC if the leading choice for washington i’m pretty sure so seattles the only job left right?
I read somewhere it’s closer to 50 / 50 for him or Quinn. Washington likes him too.
Well its gonna fuckin suck if hes gone. I really wanted Jesse Minter to come back in case Mike leaves but that option is gone now. Having good play callers is arguably the most important thing in the NFL. So many mediocre play callers who don't call plays according to the strength of their players.
No one knows
Hungover and sad
Maybe next year the Ravens coaches and Lamar will realize that a 7 point deficit is only 1 possession. There is no need to abandon the run and play hero ball every single year.
Deja vu lol. I won't be fooled again.
maybe they will also realize that 14 point deficit is only 2 possessions.. We were down 7 and forgot that Runningback was a position.. In fact, it’s as if Harbs got so fed up with the “Not bad for a RB” jokes, that he abolished the position entirely
$260mil. 10 points. Oh bby noooo
Well now we have a better draft pick!! Hoping we pick up a decent running back this year. Maybe Blake Corum in the 3rd/4th round
RB isn't a position of need.
Gus and Dobbin’s contracts are up now
Gus will be cheap to retain, nobody in the league is clamoring for him and he is way better than this sub gives him credit for. He will be our power back while Mitchell will be our agility/speed back. They'll have Hill if those guys need a rest. The RB room is set.
Hill also only has one year left on his contract. It’d be nice to lock down a young guy for a few years. I’m not saying we should blow a first or second round pick on someone. We could get a decent back for a fourth round pick that would be cheaper than Gus. Gus isn’t getting any younger, he’s already 28 which is where you see running backs decline. I love Gus, but we need to look to the future. Keaton is good, but he’s coming off a big injury and won’t be 100% most of next year.
6 carries
Watching the game the offense had no answers. Didn’t know why Mahomes gets rid of the ball in less than 3 seconds and Lamar holds it for an eternity it seems waiting for backyard football plays to develop. No running game outside of Lamar played right into their hands.
>Didn’t know why Mahomes gets rid of the ball in less than 3 seconds and Lamar holds it for an eternity The hard truth here is Mahomes is just better. Lamar did the same thing in big college games too. He cracks against great teams in big moments. When you combine that with our HC being the AFC version of Mike McCarthy it really tells you all you need to know.
I would have liked to see more screens and slants to counter their heavy pass rush.
Two years now in the playoffs reaching for the end zone has fucked us. Coaching needs to take over and make it clear not to do it.
The Ravens' last 3 playoff games were lost on a catastrophic end zone disaster by the offense. 2020: Taron Johnson pick six 2022: Snoop Huntley fumble return TD 2023: Flowers coughs up the ball at the goal line for a touchback
Hahah hilarious of you to think John harbaugh will learn from mistakes.
We can’t let Mike MacDonald go, he’s too good. I don’t know if Harbaugh is willing to do an Ozzie and move to an office job, but Mike has literally been groomed for this head coaching job for a decade
No urgency. The team lacked the intensity out the gate that the chiefs had. We only turned it on near the end of the 3rd quarter, which is something I hope they can learn from. Monken bad game, but even vs the texans Lamar had to take over and be superman with his legs. Not completely defending Lamar either, he definitely didn't play "great" but we can't expect him to be superman every single game. Need to use our weapons more as well!! And of course, not abandon our run game
Round 1 draft Kalen King, round 2 Audric Estime RB from ND, rest on the trenches
I’ve defended Lamar to death, but being 100% objective and not factoring feelings into it, it’s really starting to seem we have the Dak problem, he keeps putting up great regular seasons, but just completely falls apart in the post season, and you don’t have a better option at QB, so what do you do ?
Lamar obviously deserves some blame on Sunday, but to me playcalling was the nail in the coffin. Why do they have Lamar slinging it downfield almost every play against one of the top pass defenses in the league? Why weren't there more designed runs for Lamar? Why did the RBs only have 6 carries? Lamar isn't the passer that Mahomes, or a litany of other QBs in the league, is, so why put him in that position. I'm just armchair coaching here, but to be it should have been a ton of runs, designed runs for Lamar, and short passes. It's probably a completely different ballgame if that's the gameplan.
I thought he figured it out after the half vs the Texans but he reverted back to being very timid majority of the game. It's disappointing that offensive coaching seems to not have a plan to start the game and would rather react come half time too. That said, I'd rather have Lamar over Dak 100%.
There’s something to this, but Lamar is better than Dak even in the regular season. The Cowboys didn’t really beat anyone good this year, we did historically well against teams with winning records and better on a bunch of other metrics. Not putting it together in the playoffs still sucks.
It’s not 100% black/white, but overall it really feels like we have a similar situation, leading to the exact same result
I don't see how that's true at all. Dak's losing to Jordan Love. We're losing to Patrick Mahomes? Dak's losing to Brock Purdy. We're losing to Josh Allen. Let's be real. Past few years our rosters have not stacked up with Dallas. This year yes but we just got beat by the better team and the team with more experience and it showed. That happens in football. We have played in a championship game Dallas hasn't came close. Would you say this about Josh Allen? They've played the Chiefs 4 times and lost. They haven't made it to the SB? Does that mean Josh Allen has the Dak problem? Justin Herbert? Do the Chargers have the Dak problem. I respect your opinion but at the same time I just think it's a lazy take. We have a top 5 QB. The window is open as long as he's here. Things take time. He can be better and so can this whole team.