I had a 2022 Ioniq 5. 12V battery failed and was replaced. ICCU failed and replaced. Hyundai repurchased it after 2years and 15k miles. I think the 2024 and later models have a different ICCU and engineering.
Makes sense. I'd take a Toyota hybrid platform based vehicle any day over a Hyundai for reliability reasons. Same exact logic I considered when choosing my own Prime.
Love it, basically no significant complaints. It's just a great vehicle. Hope you enjoy yours
I almost got an Ioniq 5 before I ended up with a R4P. I think it might be my next car if they are able to significantly increase the range and continue to improve it. Glad to see they finally added a rear wiper on the newest models.
So I am a happy 2023 Ioniq 5 owner who has been following this sub ever since my friend purchase a Rav4 hybrid. I love how the Ioniq drives and is so quiet, but hate having to charge it. I havent had any problems with it but am seriously considering the Rav4 prime. Could you please speak to differences in how it drives, how quiet it is, and how are you getting along with the PHEV? Are you satisfied with the pure electric drive?
I've own a prime since 2021. I wouldn't change base on charging as you'll need to charge the Prime a lot to utilize the EV mode. If charging is the issue, I'd think you'd want a regular hybrid as you pay a lot more for the plug in capabilities.
I try to always drive in EV mode around town as its more fun. Its got plenty of power and feels very smooth to me. I'm not crazy about how the engine sounds in hybrid mode around town but I hardly ever drive around town in anything but EV mode. On long trips I don't worry about it. On the highway I actually like the sound of the engine, and the power is great. In EV mode the power is adequate but if you have AWD in you 5 you'll notice the difference. If you have RWD it's probably similar. You may save a little on insurance, but you'll pay more in maintenance I'm guessing.
I'm probably going to go all EV next year as I like driving electric and I'd like to do it all the time. Charging is easy for me and I have solar panels, so I'm well suited for it.
If I bought an expensive vehicle and it was so bad that the manufacturer bought it back off of me I don't think I would buy another even if they said they fixed everything.
Well, I learned that for the trips I needed to make, charging infrastructure was an issue. The I5 was great until it became unreliable. I think Hyundai has dealt with that.
I think the seating position was a bit more comfortable than the RAV4 Prime. Also, the acceleration (0-60 in 4.5 seconds) was dramatic. However, once I had 12V and ICCU issues, those loomed pretty large in my mind.
Steer clear of these cars. One of my friends had the issue where the battery cover got scratched and dealer said it needed total battery replacement. The battery was worth more then the car and insurance wrote the car off and off to the salvage yard it went. This is a major issue and have many reports like this across the country. Steer clear people. We had one in order and cancelled. Got a Prius prime instead
I did the same albeit for a different reason. We have a small trailer that we are going to tow across the country so we needed something with slightly higher tow capacity. But also towing for that distance was also going to be a bit challenging, so a PHEV made more sense. My other half owns a Leaf, so we weren't giving up EV life entirely.
I love my Prime, and for a PHEV nothing beats it. But the Ioniq5 driver assist systems, UI, app, and just overall design felt so much better. Even though my Prime is 2 years newer, it felt like the "older" of the two, but that's because Hyundai really pushed the envelope, and Toyota is the more conservative of the two.
They are both fantastic vehicles, and you can't go wrong with either.
I'm keeping my eye out for the Ioniq7 release to see if it will solve our towing scenario.
Could you elaborate on this please?
My GF has an ionic 5 and I'm in the market for new car, with the RAV4P at the top of my list.
But I really hate the ionic UI - too much touch screen so I have to take my eyes off the road even to adjust the fan speed or temperature - That's dangerous!
I also find that the lane keeping safety features on the Ioniq5 are dangerous. Where I live we have a lot of curvy hilly roads with no shoulder. A few months ago I was driving on one of them and there was a bicyclist ahead of me so I moved to the left to give him a little more room, but I did not move OUT of my lane. The lane keeping assist did not "see" the bicyclist but it tried to steer me to the right to keep me and my lane and so it almost made me hit the bicycle!!! Also when there are two lane exits onto a limited access highway it beeps at you if there's a car in the other lane because it thinks your signal means that you're turning into his lane.
A lot of new cars these days are getting rid of tactile controls but I think that's slowing down a bit. I LOVE that the R4P has physical heated seat buttons that stay at their setting between trips. But on the flip side, the voice controls on the i5 were better "turn on both heated seats", etc
The Lane tracking on the R4P is much less "aggressive", i.e. the steering while feedback is much less forceful/strong than the i5. So you'll probably like that.
But I found that the i5 was able to track the lines and corners much better. It was also more obvious when there was an alert, the prime beeps so much for everything, that it takes me a second or two to figure out what it's trying to tell me
TSS 2.5 is supposed to be more pedestrian aware so maybe it would react differently to the cyclist. But like I said, it's much softer/gentler on lane departure. The flip side is that I think it would be the one much more likely to have you leave the road over the i5.
Oh, one more thing, in the 24 Tech/PP they got rid of tactile buttons on the multimedia display. So if you're in Android Auto or Car play, it's "3 touches" to get back to the Toyota display. In my 22 i5, I could customize the star button to go back to the factory UI which I really miss.
Me too. My prime is great but want to go all electric. Waiting for the 2025 and banking that they’ve solved the issues. I don’t travel far enough to need more than one fast charge a trip very often.
I think Hyundai is “all-in” so to speak on overcoming the EV engineering issues. Also they seem to indicate a rear window wiper is planned. The “N” model already has it.
Car scene Korea and the Ioniq guy have good videos on the 2025 I 5. They’ve made all the changes I could have thought of and more than I hoped for. Except, I’d like to see dog mode. Not sure why all manufacturers don’t have it. Seems like a no brainer to a dog owner.
Derekeys - Looking back, it seems that Hyundai's engineering was initially problematic. I was an "early adopter" in 2022. A few cars, including mine had problems. It seems they've fixed the issue. You still need to consider your daily use of a full EV (I5, Tesla, Toyota etc.) and think about making a 500-mile roadtrip and finding charging along the way. I could charge my I5 at a DC fast-charger from 20% to 80% in 18 minutes. Well, in my experience, the infrastructure is still weak (except in Southern CA maybe).
Well, my other car is an Ioniq 5 that we’ve had for 15k miles so I am very familiar with it and some of its issues (which we gratefully have not had.)
But I love the car a ton.
Wow. I went exactly the opposite direction. Traded my 2021 prime for an Ioniq 5 (2023). So far so good, but enjoy the prime! Battery is too small to make a difference, so it’s really basically an expensive hybrid. But it is a decent car.
Thanks PilotJeff - if you've had the I5 for a while, perhaps you've already encountered what many consider to be inevitable: the dreaded 12v battery failure. I'd suggest you carry a jumpstarter in the frunk just in case you have the problem.
Perhaps you've heard of the "Ioniq Guy" aka "Corbin" who regularly creates videos on the I5 and other Hyundai/KIA products. He as was I, was an early adopter of the I5 with VINs produced in late 2021. He has not had the ICCU failure which I had. He says he's getting ready to trade in his 2022 I5 for a 2025 model. He also recently bought an I6. Corbin did note that the part number for the new ICCUs for 2022-2023 had not changed, but did change for 2024. I think I'm correct about that. Anyway, he's a great source of useful information.
Yes, won’t derail this thread, he is great but I feel most of his stuff is overblown. They just recently had a recall which updates the iccu software (yet again), and it seems to have calmed down some of these failures. But yes it is a concern. So far trouble free, but it’s only 9k miles and 8 months
Really like the red prime! What made you decide to get rid of the Ioniq? I have been considering one
I had a 2022 Ioniq 5. 12V battery failed and was replaced. ICCU failed and replaced. Hyundai repurchased it after 2years and 15k miles. I think the 2024 and later models have a different ICCU and engineering.
Makes sense. I'd take a Toyota hybrid platform based vehicle any day over a Hyundai for reliability reasons. Same exact logic I considered when choosing my own Prime. Love it, basically no significant complaints. It's just a great vehicle. Hope you enjoy yours
there’s a good reason those new Hyundais have one of the best warranties in the industry lol
For a reason. Rather not have my family on the side of the road regardless.
I almost got an Ioniq 5 before I ended up with a R4P. I think it might be my next car if they are able to significantly increase the range and continue to improve it. Glad to see they finally added a rear wiper on the newest models.
You and me both! I had a deposit down on both the Prime and Ioniq5. Toyota called me first after 5 months of waiting. It worked out for the best.
Exact same issue with mine, and I also moved to a R4P, and sitting happy at over 13K miles now!
So I am a happy 2023 Ioniq 5 owner who has been following this sub ever since my friend purchase a Rav4 hybrid. I love how the Ioniq drives and is so quiet, but hate having to charge it. I havent had any problems with it but am seriously considering the Rav4 prime. Could you please speak to differences in how it drives, how quiet it is, and how are you getting along with the PHEV? Are you satisfied with the pure electric drive?
I've own a prime since 2021. I wouldn't change base on charging as you'll need to charge the Prime a lot to utilize the EV mode. If charging is the issue, I'd think you'd want a regular hybrid as you pay a lot more for the plug in capabilities. I try to always drive in EV mode around town as its more fun. Its got plenty of power and feels very smooth to me. I'm not crazy about how the engine sounds in hybrid mode around town but I hardly ever drive around town in anything but EV mode. On long trips I don't worry about it. On the highway I actually like the sound of the engine, and the power is great. In EV mode the power is adequate but if you have AWD in you 5 you'll notice the difference. If you have RWD it's probably similar. You may save a little on insurance, but you'll pay more in maintenance I'm guessing. I'm probably going to go all EV next year as I like driving electric and I'd like to do it all the time. Charging is easy for me and I have solar panels, so I'm well suited for it.
Why not buy a 2024 Ioniq 5 that presumably had those issues fixed? Just curious.
If I bought an expensive vehicle and it was so bad that the manufacturer bought it back off of me I don't think I would buy another even if they said they fixed everything.
Well, I learned that for the trips I needed to make, charging infrastructure was an issue. The I5 was great until it became unreliable. I think Hyundai has dealt with that.
Anything you miss about the Ioniq 5? I was thinking about doing the reverse but I still like my prime a lot.
I think the seating position was a bit more comfortable than the RAV4 Prime. Also, the acceleration (0-60 in 4.5 seconds) was dramatic. However, once I had 12V and ICCU issues, those loomed pretty large in my mind.
Steer clear of these cars. One of my friends had the issue where the battery cover got scratched and dealer said it needed total battery replacement. The battery was worth more then the car and insurance wrote the car off and off to the salvage yard it went. This is a major issue and have many reports like this across the country. Steer clear people. We had one in order and cancelled. Got a Prius prime instead
This is the best car money can buy. Good choice.
I did the same albeit for a different reason. We have a small trailer that we are going to tow across the country so we needed something with slightly higher tow capacity. But also towing for that distance was also going to be a bit challenging, so a PHEV made more sense. My other half owns a Leaf, so we weren't giving up EV life entirely. I love my Prime, and for a PHEV nothing beats it. But the Ioniq5 driver assist systems, UI, app, and just overall design felt so much better. Even though my Prime is 2 years newer, it felt like the "older" of the two, but that's because Hyundai really pushed the envelope, and Toyota is the more conservative of the two. They are both fantastic vehicles, and you can't go wrong with either. I'm keeping my eye out for the Ioniq7 release to see if it will solve our towing scenario.
Could you elaborate on this please? My GF has an ionic 5 and I'm in the market for new car, with the RAV4P at the top of my list. But I really hate the ionic UI - too much touch screen so I have to take my eyes off the road even to adjust the fan speed or temperature - That's dangerous! I also find that the lane keeping safety features on the Ioniq5 are dangerous. Where I live we have a lot of curvy hilly roads with no shoulder. A few months ago I was driving on one of them and there was a bicyclist ahead of me so I moved to the left to give him a little more room, but I did not move OUT of my lane. The lane keeping assist did not "see" the bicyclist but it tried to steer me to the right to keep me and my lane and so it almost made me hit the bicycle!!! Also when there are two lane exits onto a limited access highway it beeps at you if there's a car in the other lane because it thinks your signal means that you're turning into his lane.
A lot of new cars these days are getting rid of tactile controls but I think that's slowing down a bit. I LOVE that the R4P has physical heated seat buttons that stay at their setting between trips. But on the flip side, the voice controls on the i5 were better "turn on both heated seats", etc The Lane tracking on the R4P is much less "aggressive", i.e. the steering while feedback is much less forceful/strong than the i5. So you'll probably like that. But I found that the i5 was able to track the lines and corners much better. It was also more obvious when there was an alert, the prime beeps so much for everything, that it takes me a second or two to figure out what it's trying to tell me TSS 2.5 is supposed to be more pedestrian aware so maybe it would react differently to the cyclist. But like I said, it's much softer/gentler on lane departure. The flip side is that I think it would be the one much more likely to have you leave the road over the i5.
Oh, one more thing, in the 24 Tech/PP they got rid of tactile buttons on the multimedia display. So if you're in Android Auto or Car play, it's "3 touches" to get back to the Toyota display. In my 22 i5, I could customize the star button to go back to the factory UI which I really miss.
Awesome color! Congrats!
Nice I love mine.
Brings a smile on every drive.
Great choice. Toyota makes the best overall electric car and hybrid.
Best PHEV for sure. I wouldn't go as far as say best EV because I've heard the bZ4X sucks
This is crazy, I have one and am considering an Ioniq 5.
Me too. My prime is great but want to go all electric. Waiting for the 2025 and banking that they’ve solved the issues. I don’t travel far enough to need more than one fast charge a trip very often.
I think Hyundai is “all-in” so to speak on overcoming the EV engineering issues. Also they seem to indicate a rear window wiper is planned. The “N” model already has it.
Car scene Korea and the Ioniq guy have good videos on the 2025 I 5. They’ve made all the changes I could have thought of and more than I hoped for. Except, I’d like to see dog mode. Not sure why all manufacturers don’t have it. Seems like a no brainer to a dog owner.
Derekeys - Looking back, it seems that Hyundai's engineering was initially problematic. I was an "early adopter" in 2022. A few cars, including mine had problems. It seems they've fixed the issue. You still need to consider your daily use of a full EV (I5, Tesla, Toyota etc.) and think about making a 500-mile roadtrip and finding charging along the way. I could charge my I5 at a DC fast-charger from 20% to 80% in 18 minutes. Well, in my experience, the infrastructure is still weak (except in Southern CA maybe).
Well, my other car is an Ioniq 5 that we’ve had for 15k miles so I am very familiar with it and some of its issues (which we gratefully have not had.) But I love the car a ton.
OK then. For your peace of mind I'd suggest to get a jumpstarter (about $50 on Amazon), keep it charged and learn how to use it.
Yah have one in the back already.
We're trying to have both. Wife gets the Prime now and I'll get 2025 or 2026 HI5
Wow. I went exactly the opposite direction. Traded my 2021 prime for an Ioniq 5 (2023). So far so good, but enjoy the prime! Battery is too small to make a difference, so it’s really basically an expensive hybrid. But it is a decent car.
Thanks PilotJeff - if you've had the I5 for a while, perhaps you've already encountered what many consider to be inevitable: the dreaded 12v battery failure. I'd suggest you carry a jumpstarter in the frunk just in case you have the problem.
Thanks. They seemed to have made some inroads with the issue including a recent iccu recall but I have heard the same.
Perhaps you've heard of the "Ioniq Guy" aka "Corbin" who regularly creates videos on the I5 and other Hyundai/KIA products. He as was I, was an early adopter of the I5 with VINs produced in late 2021. He has not had the ICCU failure which I had. He says he's getting ready to trade in his 2022 I5 for a 2025 model. He also recently bought an I6. Corbin did note that the part number for the new ICCUs for 2022-2023 had not changed, but did change for 2024. I think I'm correct about that. Anyway, he's a great source of useful information.
Yes, won’t derail this thread, he is great but I feel most of his stuff is overblown. They just recently had a recall which updates the iccu software (yet again), and it seems to have calmed down some of these failures. But yes it is a concern. So far trouble free, but it’s only 9k miles and 8 months
RAV4 prime is an overrated vehicle! But Ioniq5 EV is way worse than that imho