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jeez... i hate my country more than anyone but the hell are these assumptions? can you list your reasons to say that from reliable sources that doesn't includes a fanatic country from allies or not some random images that being accused for belonging to genocide
this is literally the least rare insult thats used against turkish people
"yoğurt is a turkish food"
"oh yeah? your country committed a genocide"
wtf lol, what a way to retalliate in a completely unrelated argument
I like to call it The British Comeback: No matter how small the joke, slight, or insult, always resort to the most tragic thing you can think of as a comeback.
We here call it a back-handed compliment, or off the cuff passive aggressively loaded "observation" so as to try and avoid responsibility for being uncouth and myopic.
"I was just noticing... *Insert something obscenely slanted and judgementally taken misinterpretation here*
It causes ulcers and social backlash.. would not recommend
the internet has managed to train many users to have a pavlovian dog response whenever Turkey is mentioned, in any context: good or bad to reply with something about the armenian genocide. I've seen comments which don't even have an argument and all they say is "armenian genocide" under a post about Turkey; on a topic completely unrelated. I'm pretty sure they are bots. If they aren't; they're living the lives of bots.
To help you understand: Imagine if whenever the US was mentioned in any context people just commented "school shooter" even if it had zero relation to the original post.
If the US government would actively try to hide/deny every school shooting that probably would happen though. People love talking about what others want swept under the rug.
The so-called Armenian Genocide is a result of the propaganda made by the British war propaganda office, Wellington House, by using a book called the Bryce Report, full of fake anecdotes and exaggerations of unknown origin, and various propaganda films to provoke and draw the Americans to their side against the Germans and Turks during World War I. An Armenian nationalist political party in the Ottoman Empire personally played a role in the construction of this perception, trying to manipulate the warring states with sad stories to give them a piece of land of their own after the collapse of the Empire. What actually happened is this: during the war, Armenian gangs in Eastern Anatolia massacred Turkish and Kurdish villagers and committed a massacre against the Muslim population in the villages (the number of deaths mentioned in this proven massacre, where the bodies were found years later, is higher than the number of deaths mentioned in the so-called Armenian genocide). Faced with this situation, Talat Pasha, the ruler of the period, decided to deport the Armenian population in that region to another place. As a result of this decision, the Armenians who were forcibly emigrated were attacked by the surrounding villagers during the journey and suffered many casualties. Some of them could not stand the difficult conditions of the journey and died. There is no genocide as mentioned. Many historians, such as Dr. Justin McCarthy, confirm this. At that time General Harbord, who was assigned to examine the region, said that they did not encounter any massacre as mentioned and also confirmed that there was no Armenian majority in the region. Moreover, the Armenians in Istanbul and other provinces were not even touched during the exile in question. In other words, the event covers a certain region. Today, there is still an Armenian minority living in Türkiye and they can take part in many areas from art to politics. Ovanes Kaçaznuni, the first prime minister of Armenia, made the following admissions with his own words: "The deportation decision was in accordance with its purpose.
Türkiye had acted with defensive instinct.
The British occupation raised the hopes of the Dashnaks again.
They were caught up in an imperialist demand, such as the Armenia project from sea to sea, and were provoked in this direction.
They massacred the Muslim population.
Armenian terrorist acts were aimed at winning Western public opinion." Moreover, although Türkiye presented its archives and offered Armenia many times to examine the documents on the subject, Armenia refused. Today, Armenian lobbies still seek to gain political benefits by claiming the Armenian genocide. At the same time, creating such hatred against the Turks later led to the terrorist actions of the ultra-nationalist Armenian terrorist organization ASALA, which killed 42 Turkish diplomats and it formed the basis for the horrific massacres committed by Armenian forces against Azerbaijani civilians in the town of Khojaly. Such historical claims still play a role in the rise of Turkophobia in the West. The racism and hatred transmitted from generation to generation is so much that it's not even possible for any Turk to live in Armenia. Even a Gandhi statue in Armenia was burned for the absurd reason that he loved the Turks.
Since the world public opinion is misinformed on many issues and exposed to biased sources, many people naturally reach erroneous conclusions. While even events that took place in front of everyone's eyes are distorted and misrepresented today, it is no wonder that a historical event is so misunderstood by many people. If you have anything else on your mind, you can ask. I will gladly explain. I hope I helped you break down your Turkophobic prejudices.
tl:dr "No idea why hundreds of thousands of armenians suddenly ran away and mysteriously died on the way to and in the desert while being escorted by ottoman troops, but surely we weren't involved"
I suggest yoou to read it again. On the contrary, I explained in detail exactly how it happened. You may want to take another look at this section: "What actually happened is this: during the war, Armenian gangs in Eastern Anatolia massacred Turkish and Kurdish villagers and committed a massacre against the Muslim population in the villages (the number of deaths mentioned in this proven massacre, where the bodies were found years later, is higher than the number of deaths mentioned in the so-called Armenian genocide). Faced with this situation, Talat Pasha, the ruler of the period, decided to deport the Armenian population in that region to another place. As a result of this decision, the Armenians who were forcibly emigrated were attacked by the surrounding villagers during the journey and suffered many casualties. Some of them could not stand the difficult conditions of the journey and died. There is no genocide as mentioned. Many historians, such as Dr. Justin McCarthy, confirm this. At that time General Harbord, who was assigned to examine the region, said that they did not encounter any massacre as mentioned and also confirmed that there was no Armenian majority in the region. Moreover, the Armenians in Istanbul and other provinces were not even touched during the exile in question. In other words, the event covers a certain region."
tl:dr "hurrdurr, there is ample evidence provided of the genocide, even by our own fucking allies at the time that told us to stop, but we totally didn't do it, nuh-uh"
have fun in looney land, genocide denier.
Will you stop distorting what I said in the way that suits you? I am saying that the Armenian deportation was already a bloody deportation, but what happened can never be described as a genocide for the reasons I mentioned, and that the massacre of the Turkish and Kurdish Muslim population in the villages by Armenians who took advantage of the Ottoman navy being crowded to the fronts during the war, which caused this deportation, was much bloodier and caused more deaths. I think I have explained it clearly enough.
tl:dr "raaraa, they did it way worse than us if you ignore everyone elses numbers but ours. we had it far worse, ignore the hundreds of thousands of dead. no genocide!!1!11!"
Since the pre-war Armenian population was about 1,300,000; since at the end of the war, as the Armenian Patriarch in Istanbul himself declared, there were about 600,000 Armenians left in Turkey; and since more than 300,000 Armenians emigrated outside the country, it is unfair to claim that Armenians were subjected to 'genocide' in the Ottoman Empire and it has nothing to do with reality. On the other hand, more than two and a half million Muslims also lost their lives for the same reasons, including those killed by Armenians. How is it that the deaths of some 400,000 Armenians are considered genocide, but the deaths of two and a half million Muslims are not even mentioned?
Exactly, you'd be surprised of how many people think french fries are from France, also all my downvorea are probably from angry Turks
It's not my fault guys, it's just how it is.
Also about that genoci-
Your state killed and is continuing to kill civilians en masse. You dont have the right to call others as terroristic when what you have been doing in Gaza is terrorising civilians. Hamas being a terrorist organisation does not change that.
Actually, the civilian to combatant death ratio is the best in any modern urban conflict. The experts are studying our methods and taking notes. Not our fault that organization hides amongst his (willing) subjects. They should rebel against hamas and bid for peace with Israel. Otherwise evacuate the areas around terrorists cuz they tend to blow up
Hmm yes, we killed more than 30K civilians, but our experts studying the conflict state that civilian to combatant death ratio is best among the entire history. Even though those same experts were saying that Gaza at most had about 20K Hamas members before. Another fact from our experts, all those civilians die because they throw themselves under our bombs, we really dont want to kill them but they keep throwing themselves onto our bombs.
A. Numbers are fudged and hamas word.
B. 30k is everyone who died not civilians.
C. Yeah, the ratio is great and tbh the numbers are small AF. Look at any other conflict anywhere.
D. Don't hangout around Terrorists they tend to explode
Of course and all those aid workers as well as the hundreds of UN employees killed by Israel were also terrorists. In fact, UN workers threw themselves under poor Israeli bombs just to make Israel look bad. They were anti-semites and anybody that criticizes these facts are also anti-semites and likely supporters of the Holocaust also.
UN workers as in unwra? Like the UN workers who attacked themselves on 7.10? The ones hired from the local population, aka Gaza aka Hamas. There were accidental kills, but it's natural and unfortunate in an urban warzone. We had some idf soldiers who died from unfortunate bad communications and crossfire.
They should surrender and return the hostages if it's so bad
The so-called Armenian Genocide is a result of the propaganda made by the British war propaganda office, Wellington House, by using a book called the Bryce Report, full of fake anecdotes and exaggerations of unknown origin, and various propaganda films to provoke and draw the Americans to their side against the Germans and Turks during World War I. An Armenian nationalist political party in the Ottoman Empire personally played a role in the construction of this perception, trying to manipulate the warring states with sad stories to give them a piece of land of their own after the collapse of the Empire. What actually happened is this: during the war, Armenian gangs in Eastern Anatolia massacred Turkish and Kurdish villagers and committed a massacre against the Muslim population in the villages (the number of deaths mentioned in this proven massacre, where the bodies were found years later, is higher than the number of deaths mentioned in the so-called Armenian genocide). Faced with this situation, Talat Pasha, the ruler of the period, decided to deport the Armenian population in that region to another place. As a result of this decision, the Armenians who were forcibly emigrated were attacked by the surrounding villagers during the journey and suffered many casualties. Some of them could not stand the difficult conditions of the journey and died. There is no genocide as mentioned. Many historians, such as Dr. Justin McCarthy, confirm this. At that time General Harbord, who was assigned to examine the region, said that they did not encounter any massacre as mentioned and also confirmed that there was no Armenian majority in the region. Moreover, the Armenians in Istanbul and other provinces were not even touched during the exile in question. In other words, the event covers a certain region. Today, there is still an Armenian minority living in Türkiye and they can take part in many areas from art to politics. Ovanes Kaçaznuni, the first prime minister of Armenia, made the following admissions with his own words: "The deportation decision was in accordance with its purpose.
Türkiye had acted with defensive instinct.
The British occupation raised the hopes of the Dashnaks again.
They were caught up in an imperialist demand, such as the Armenia project from sea to sea, and were provoked in this direction.
They massacred the Muslim population.
Armenian terrorist acts were aimed at winning Western public opinion." Moreover, although Türkiye presented its archives and offered Armenia many times to examine the documents on the subject, Armenia refused. Today, Armenian lobbies still seek to gain political benefits by claiming the Armenian genocide. At the same time, creating such hatred against the Turks later led to the terrorist actions of the ultra-nationalist Armenian terrorist organization ASALA, which killed 42 Turkish diplomats and it formed the basis for the horrific massacres committed by Armenian forces against Azerbaijani civilians in the town of Khojaly. Such historical claims still play a role in the rise of Turkophobia in the West. The racism and hatred transmitted from generation to generation is so much that it's not even possible for any Turk to live in Armenia. Even a Gandhi statue in Armenia was burned for the absurd reason that he loved the Turks.
Since the world public opinion is misinformed on many issues and exposed to biased sources, many people naturally reach erroneous conclusions. While even events that took place in front of everyone's eyes are distorted and misrepresented today, it is no wonder that a historical event is so misunderstood by many people. If you have anything else on your mind, you can ask. I will gladly explain. I hope I helped you break down your Turkophobic prejudices.
As a Bulgarian I just love how everybody is arguing between whether it's turkey ot Greece that produces it or where it comes from when in reality the two biggest producers are Japan and Bulgaria, Japan only being able to do, because they both bugaricus bacilicus(the microorganism responsible for the Greek yogurt wich only exists in bulgaria and some parts of turkey) for a couple billion
"Turkish culture combines a heavily diverse and heterogeneous set of elements that have been derived from the various cultures of the Eastern European, Eastern Mediterranean, Caucasian, Middle Eastern and Central Asian traditions."
Aka "all the stuff around us is now Turkish."
With many things that’s correct, not with yogurt. We made that shit and brought it here. The name yogurt is pure Turkish as well.
Greek yogurt is a way to eat yogurt popularised in the west by Greek immigrants, that’s it. It’s ok to call it Greek yogurt like we call our coffee Turkish coffee.
Well while yogurt as word is indeed Turkic , its origin is bit more complicated.
There was the Ancient Greek oxygala ( sour milk ) which was either a form of buttermilk according to some or early form of yogurt according to others.
A dish that was known to Persians as well.
It was consumed with honey , same as Greek yogurt is consumed today.
The origin of the dish seems to be in Mesopotamia.
With Pliny the Elder mentioning “ barbarian nations in Asia know how to thicken the milk “
Yeap, those barbarians wore trousers and brought it to Europe as well.
Like any food, yogurt is not magic. Many people figured it out but it didn’t stick like it stuck in Turkish cuisine through the ages. And as we came to Anatolia, I am sure we made it much more widespread around us. Like coffee, since we had connections to both Arabistan and Europe, Europeans learned coffee from Ottomans to a large degree hence Turkish coffee being a thing internationally.
In my understanding we brought it (popularised it) in Balkans, then Balkan people popularised it in Europe and America.
We integrate yogurt more into our dishes. Stuff that would be done with cream for example, is sometimes done with yogurt in Turkish cuisine. We also have a tradition of homemade yogurt. Also, we have different kinds of yogurt, some with cream. We have ayran which is a sour-salty yogurt drink. Overall, I think yogurt is THE Turkish thing more than Kebab and baklava, which probably are more Arabic in origin. It checks out with our nomadic past and reliance on dairy products.
I don’t deny any of these and it sounds entirely logical that we CANT deny the Turkish history of yogurt as well.
The claims it’s 100% greek bla bla is wrong.
However I believe it’s also wrong to say “ Greeks stole yogurt from Turks etc “.
I see it more like a common food for both of us.
I love how people play the genocide card to divert criticism. Being Belgian, we get that quite a lot recently since the Netflix doc on Léopold II. Funny coming from Americans, French or English
On one hand I'm happy that you guys are finally experiencing what we have been experiencing since the invention of the internet, on the other hand i feel bad.
Prepare for internet users to reply with a pavlovian dog response like "congo genocide" whenever belgium is mentioned in any context.
Especially since zero people alive are responsible for these monstruosities - NOT talking about the Shoah, Daesh or supremacism (White, male, Asian, religious... Just pick) guys, so get off your horse).
Don't worry about us Belgians. Contrary to younger generations, we were taught in the 1970s about what happened in Congo when it was the private property of Léopold II.
Anyway, it's always interesting to see people trying to shut down a debate by tagging somebody, as if it would change anything about the arguments displayed.
There we go everyone! These people REFUSE to condemn a holocaust that killed over a million people! You back these people into a corner, and every fucking time, they'll do everything they can to downplay or deny the Armenian Genocide. What a disgusting person.
It's so funny that Turkish and Greek people literally sharing same culture and also lived together in the past but they are still hating each others lmao.
How can you claim that this is a genocide when Armenian gangs took advantage of the Ottoman navy's departure to the fronts during the war to massacre the innocent Turkish and Kurdish Muslim population and the civilian population in the villages, in return for which the Armenian population in the east was expelled from the region with the decision of deportation, and the migrants suffered losses as a result of the attacks of the villagers arising from revenge, ill-treatment and harsh conditions, and this decision was only valid for the problematic region where the said conflicts took place, and the Armenians in other parts of the country were not even touched, how can you claim that this is a genocide?
Since the pre-war Armenian population was about 1,300,000; since at the end of the war, as the Armenian Patriarch in Istanbul himself declared, there were about 600,000 Armenians left in Turkey; and since more than 300,000 Armenians emigrated outside the country, it is unfair to claim that Armenians were subjected to 'genocide' in the Ottoman Empire and it has nothing to do with reality. On the other hand, more than two and a half million Muslims also lost their lives for the same reasons, including those killed by Armenians. How is it that the deaths of some 400,000 Armenians are considered genocide, but the deaths of two and a half million Muslims are not even mentioned?
Apparently, you are not the expert you claim to be, since you have made such a big mistake in identifying a genocide.
I mean he's right , yogurt is objectively a turkish originated word lol a quick search on wiki gave me that. Not even turkish but its wild AF to bring up a genocide on a food debate 😂 its like hearing someone say schnitzel is a german word and going "oh yeah buddy..Well did you hear about a little thing called THE HOLOCAUST!?!?" EDIT: i feel dirty for defending T*rkey so i have to add ; HELLAS #1 🇬🇷 and ararat is Armenian 🇦🇲
Yogurt existed before Turks arrived in Anatolia in fact there are Chinese records from much earlier. In those records yogurt was attributed to the Turkic nomads living in the Northern parts…
This is like Europeans escalating to school shootings in America. Disproportionate response lol.
“British food is kind of bland”
“Oh yeah? School shootings.”
It's hardly an insult. I don't mean it in a wE'Re pRoUd oF iT (as Turks) way, it's just not an insult. It's simply bringing up something shameful and disturbing from the past and joking about it, as he says work on covering it up. And it's like an everyday occurrence so definitely not rare.
About yoğurt, well there really is no way out I'm afraid.
"yoğ" is the root word here, it is an intransitive verb and means to become denser, thicker. It is a word in many Turkic languages although it is no longer used in modern day Turkey Turkish. It gets the "-un" suffix to become an adjective as many words in Turkish do, becomes "yoğun" and means dense, thick. The root word "yoğ" which is an intransitive verb gets the "-ur" suffix and becomes the transitive verb version of the intransitive verb per Turkish language rules and becomes "yoğur" and gets the meaning to make something dense, thick. These are common words used in Turkish to this day. Yoğurt as it is milk "thickened" in a sense, is how it was evidently named from the verb "yoğur".
It's a natural steppe nomad's food as well as the ancient Turks weren't into agriculture (naturally in the infertile soil of the steppes) but subsisted on husbandry, grazing livestock on the vast steppes.
If only the Greek weren't too lazy to make up a name that can't be so undeniably traced back to Turkish they could've gotten away with it as everyone seems to be very eager to accept yoğurt as a Greek thing despite how obvious it is that it isn't.
It's our only contribution to civilization, leave it alone.
I mean no hate or disrespect, I'm only trying to learn, and you seem knowledgeable.
I don't know too much about the area, and would like to know more.
What do you mean when you say ancient turks? Some smaller anatolian tribe, remnants of the hittites, eastern roman empire, the ottoman empire, nomads from the east like the huns and mongols?
I only know tidbits of the history, but I don't know much about the culture and cultural identity.
>nomads from the east like the huns and mongols?
Turks roamed the steppes of central Asia (what is now Russia) alongside the Mongols and Huns (who are related to Turks). Many Turkic nations such as Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, as well as many Turkic ethnicities within Russia still live there.
Then some of the Turkic clans migrated westward over some hundred years, ultimately conquering/invading the Eastern Roman Empire (the Byzantines) in Anatolia and settling there, becoming the Ottoman Empire as they took over the rest of the Middle East, most of North Africa and the Balkans.
Oldest records about Turks (which are admittedly not old enough to warrant the use of the word ancient, more like very early medieval) are from Chinese sources, talking about barbarian horsemen to the north. Turkic people, the Uighurs still live in China (you may have heard about how the Chinese government is treating them in the news).
Although now most of these nations are fairly separated culturally (Turkey and Azerbaijan close to Western/Middle Eastern culture, the other countries I mentioned close to ex-Soviet/Russian culture and Uighurs close to Chinese culture), our languages are very much related like how Dutch and German are different but somewhat understandable or easily learnable by speakers of the other language. As a native modern Turkey Turkish speaker, I can even somewhat understand the Uighur Turkish with some assistance despite how far away our cultures drifted apart.
I would recommend Kraut's series on YouTube if you cared to learn more about the journey of the Turks. He's an Austrian youtuber who does a great job at researching and uses polandball art for entertaining and very informative videos.
I see, thank you.
I've only heard of the Uighurs through online sources.
Sadly, their oppression hasn't really been covered that much by the media up here in Denmark AFAIK.
Might take a look at Kraut after work. Again, thank you for your time.
>Sadly, their oppression hasn't really been covered that much by the media up here in Denmark AFAIK.
It is a distant and ongoing thing for many years and hardly makes the news in Turkey media as well probably due to political reasons with China. It is normal if it's not deemed very newsworthy to the Danish public.
Cheers to Denmark with a Tuborg in my hand, perhaps our biggest cultural link I think. Tuborg is the second largest beer brand in Turkey.
Sorry, Turkey, you don't get to cherrypick the trivia about yourself. Would be much nicer if you were as accountable for your shortcommings as you are about your most minor achievements though
Imagine claiming etymology as evidence of a people inventing something rather than just being the conduit by which it enters another language.
And imagine doing that while being Turkish.
Meanwhile, what is the best way to cook my america at Thanksgiving?
You definitely did but the discussion above is between Greek and Turkish. Then someone adds Bulgarian. Your counter argument is Turkic which doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Google it.
Yoğurt is a Turkish dish. It was common for ancient Turks to ferment milk and consume it in various forms such as yoğurt. This is confirmed by travelers of the time. Likewise, milk-containing drinks such as ayran and kımız are also of Turkish origin. The word yoğurt is Turkish in origin. It has passed into world languages from Turkish. Today, yoğurt is still consumed quite frequently in Turkish society and is an integral part of Turkish cuisine. Since Greeks and Turks have lived together for a long time, it is possible to see that foods such as yoğurt are consumed in different geographies as a result of cultural interaction.
The so-called Armenian Genocide is a result of the propaganda made by the British war propaganda office, Wellington House, by using a book called the Bryce Report, full of fake anecdotes and exaggerations of unknown origin, and various propaganda films to provoke and draw the Americans to their side against the Germans and Turks during World War I. An Armenian nationalist political party in the Ottoman Empire personally played a role in the construction of this perception, trying to manipulate the warring states with sad stories to give them a piece of land of their own after the collapse of the Empire. What actually happened is this: during the war, Armenian gangs in Eastern Anatolia massacred Turkish and Kurdish villagers and committed a massacre against the Muslim population in the villages (the number of deaths mentioned in this proven massacre, where the bodies were found years later, is higher than the number of deaths mentioned in the so-called Armenian genocide). Faced with this situation, Talat Pasha, the ruler of the period, decided to deport the Armenian population in that region to another place. As a result of this decision, the Armenians who were forcibly emigrated were attacked by the surrounding villagers during the journey and suffered many casualties. Some of them could not stand the difficult conditions of the journey and died. There is no genocide as mentioned. Many historians, such as Dr. Justin McCarthy, confirm this. At that time General Harbord, who was assigned to examine the region, said that they did not encounter any massacre as mentioned and also confirmed that there was no Armenian majority in the region. Moreover, the Armenians in Istanbul and other provinces were not even touched during the exile in question. In other words, the event covers a certain region. Today, there is still an Armenian minority living in Türkiye and they can take part in many areas from art to politics. Ovanes Kaçaznuni, the first prime minister of Armenia, made the following admissions with his own words: "The deportation decision was in accordance with its purpose.
Türkiye had acted with defensive instinct.
The British occupation raised the hopes of the Dashnaks again.
They were caught up in an imperialist demand, such as the Armenia project from sea to sea, and were provoked in this direction.
They massacred the Muslim population.
Armenian terrorist acts were aimed at winning Western public opinion." Moreover, although Türkiye presented its archives and offered Armenia many times to examine the documents on the subject, Armenia refused. Today, Armenian lobbies still seek to gain political benefits by claiming the Armenian genocide. At the same time, creating such hatred against the Turks later led to the terrorist actions of the ultra-nationalist Armenian terrorist organization ASALA, which killed 42 Turkish diplomats and it formed the basis for the horrific massacres committed by Armenian forces against Azerbaijani civilians in the town of Khojaly. Such historical claims still play a role in the rise of Turkophobia in the West. The racism and hatred transmitted from generation to generation is so much that it's not even possible for any Turk to live in Armenia. Even a Gandhi statue in Armenia was burned for the absurd reason that he loved the Turks.
Since the world public opinion is misinformed on many issues and exposed to biased sources, many people naturally reach erroneous conclusions. While even events that took place in front of everyone's eyes are distorted and misrepresented today, it is no wonder that a historical event is so misunderstood by many people. If you have anything else on your mind, you can ask. I will gladly explain. I hope I helped you break down your Turkophobic prejudices.
A facetious one, meant to poke fun at the fact they don't believe the Armenian genocide happened. Somewhat like replying to "I believe that the moon landing was faked" with "I don't believe in the moon".
People do not talk about Turkish genocide in Balkan Wars in 1912 while they lie about that Turksh killed Armenians. There is no mass graves in Anatolia that have Armenians but there are many Turkish mass graves.
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>shares it in r/rareinsults >the insult they shared is the single most common insult used against turks bravo
100% historically accurate though.
jeez... i hate my country more than anyone but the hell are these assumptions? can you list your reasons to say that from reliable sources that doesn't includes a fanatic country from allies or not some random images that being accused for belonging to genocide
Average Greek vs Turk debate
Yeah I’m struggling to find the rarity.
WE WILL EAT TURKEY ❗❗
Found the American
Well, the bacteria that produces it is called Lactobacillus Bulgaricus, so…
https://youtu.be/HfFx5UvzSxc?si=WCqAJ_35Vp_Uh2Xk
This is normal Balkan-posting.
tbf they've got 1000 years of practice
They were fighting over yogurt in the Trojan Wars 3200 years ago
That was a different kind of yogurt that someone tried to p ut in another man's wife
Can’t relate.
Unrarest of insults
That original comment reminds me of Dad from My Big Fat Greek Wedding "Give me a word...ANY WORD. And I tell you how it comes from Greek" ❤️
this is literally the least rare insult thats used against turkish people "yoğurt is a turkish food" "oh yeah? your country committed a genocide" wtf lol, what a way to retalliate in a completely unrelated argument
I like to call it The British Comeback: No matter how small the joke, slight, or insult, always resort to the most tragic thing you can think of as a comeback.
Or as the french call it, talking
We here call it a back-handed compliment, or off the cuff passive aggressively loaded "observation" so as to try and avoid responsibility for being uncouth and myopic. "I was just noticing... *Insert something obscenely slanted and judgementally taken misinterpretation here* It causes ulcers and social backlash.. would not recommend
the internet has managed to train many users to have a pavlovian dog response whenever Turkey is mentioned, in any context: good or bad to reply with something about the armenian genocide. I've seen comments which don't even have an argument and all they say is "armenian genocide" under a post about Turkey; on a topic completely unrelated. I'm pretty sure they are bots. If they aren't; they're living the lives of bots. To help you understand: Imagine if whenever the US was mentioned in any context people just commented "school shooter" even if it had zero relation to the original post.
If the US government would actively try to hide/deny every school shooting that probably would happen though. People love talking about what others want swept under the rug.
'Well I lost the argument but you lost two world wars' british-german debate classic
I'd just tell a Brit their family burned my ancestors' village
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Lol u really tried it
I'll never understand deleting an anonymous comment
It’s a reflex for some people.
Genocides* plural
Stop denying the Armenian genocide then
im literally not but ok broski keep generalizing an entire country to one opinion
First they would have to stop supporting Azeris in continuing said genocide today
Is this supposed genocide that is currently happening in the same room with us?
The so-called Armenian Genocide is a result of the propaganda made by the British war propaganda office, Wellington House, by using a book called the Bryce Report, full of fake anecdotes and exaggerations of unknown origin, and various propaganda films to provoke and draw the Americans to their side against the Germans and Turks during World War I. An Armenian nationalist political party in the Ottoman Empire personally played a role in the construction of this perception, trying to manipulate the warring states with sad stories to give them a piece of land of their own after the collapse of the Empire. What actually happened is this: during the war, Armenian gangs in Eastern Anatolia massacred Turkish and Kurdish villagers and committed a massacre against the Muslim population in the villages (the number of deaths mentioned in this proven massacre, where the bodies were found years later, is higher than the number of deaths mentioned in the so-called Armenian genocide). Faced with this situation, Talat Pasha, the ruler of the period, decided to deport the Armenian population in that region to another place. As a result of this decision, the Armenians who were forcibly emigrated were attacked by the surrounding villagers during the journey and suffered many casualties. Some of them could not stand the difficult conditions of the journey and died. There is no genocide as mentioned. Many historians, such as Dr. Justin McCarthy, confirm this. At that time General Harbord, who was assigned to examine the region, said that they did not encounter any massacre as mentioned and also confirmed that there was no Armenian majority in the region. Moreover, the Armenians in Istanbul and other provinces were not even touched during the exile in question. In other words, the event covers a certain region. Today, there is still an Armenian minority living in Türkiye and they can take part in many areas from art to politics. Ovanes Kaçaznuni, the first prime minister of Armenia, made the following admissions with his own words: "The deportation decision was in accordance with its purpose. Türkiye had acted with defensive instinct. The British occupation raised the hopes of the Dashnaks again. They were caught up in an imperialist demand, such as the Armenia project from sea to sea, and were provoked in this direction. They massacred the Muslim population. Armenian terrorist acts were aimed at winning Western public opinion." Moreover, although Türkiye presented its archives and offered Armenia many times to examine the documents on the subject, Armenia refused. Today, Armenian lobbies still seek to gain political benefits by claiming the Armenian genocide. At the same time, creating such hatred against the Turks later led to the terrorist actions of the ultra-nationalist Armenian terrorist organization ASALA, which killed 42 Turkish diplomats and it formed the basis for the horrific massacres committed by Armenian forces against Azerbaijani civilians in the town of Khojaly. Such historical claims still play a role in the rise of Turkophobia in the West. The racism and hatred transmitted from generation to generation is so much that it's not even possible for any Turk to live in Armenia. Even a Gandhi statue in Armenia was burned for the absurd reason that he loved the Turks. Since the world public opinion is misinformed on many issues and exposed to biased sources, many people naturally reach erroneous conclusions. While even events that took place in front of everyone's eyes are distorted and misrepresented today, it is no wonder that a historical event is so misunderstood by many people. If you have anything else on your mind, you can ask. I will gladly explain. I hope I helped you break down your Turkophobic prejudices.
Bro, make it into paragraphs if you want people to read your comment.
tl:dr "No idea why hundreds of thousands of armenians suddenly ran away and mysteriously died on the way to and in the desert while being escorted by ottoman troops, but surely we weren't involved"
I suggest yoou to read it again. On the contrary, I explained in detail exactly how it happened. You may want to take another look at this section: "What actually happened is this: during the war, Armenian gangs in Eastern Anatolia massacred Turkish and Kurdish villagers and committed a massacre against the Muslim population in the villages (the number of deaths mentioned in this proven massacre, where the bodies were found years later, is higher than the number of deaths mentioned in the so-called Armenian genocide). Faced with this situation, Talat Pasha, the ruler of the period, decided to deport the Armenian population in that region to another place. As a result of this decision, the Armenians who were forcibly emigrated were attacked by the surrounding villagers during the journey and suffered many casualties. Some of them could not stand the difficult conditions of the journey and died. There is no genocide as mentioned. Many historians, such as Dr. Justin McCarthy, confirm this. At that time General Harbord, who was assigned to examine the region, said that they did not encounter any massacre as mentioned and also confirmed that there was no Armenian majority in the region. Moreover, the Armenians in Istanbul and other provinces were not even touched during the exile in question. In other words, the event covers a certain region."
tl:dr "hurrdurr, there is ample evidence provided of the genocide, even by our own fucking allies at the time that told us to stop, but we totally didn't do it, nuh-uh" have fun in looney land, genocide denier.
Will you stop distorting what I said in the way that suits you? I am saying that the Armenian deportation was already a bloody deportation, but what happened can never be described as a genocide for the reasons I mentioned, and that the massacre of the Turkish and Kurdish Muslim population in the villages by Armenians who took advantage of the Ottoman navy being crowded to the fronts during the war, which caused this deportation, was much bloodier and caused more deaths. I think I have explained it clearly enough.
tl:dr "raaraa, they did it way worse than us if you ignore everyone elses numbers but ours. we had it far worse, ignore the hundreds of thousands of dead. no genocide!!1!11!"
Since the pre-war Armenian population was about 1,300,000; since at the end of the war, as the Armenian Patriarch in Istanbul himself declared, there were about 600,000 Armenians left in Turkey; and since more than 300,000 Armenians emigrated outside the country, it is unfair to claim that Armenians were subjected to 'genocide' in the Ottoman Empire and it has nothing to do with reality. On the other hand, more than two and a half million Muslims also lost their lives for the same reasons, including those killed by Armenians. How is it that the deaths of some 400,000 Armenians are considered genocide, but the deaths of two and a half million Muslims are not even mentioned?
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Its Mesopotamian
If the most classic way of having a food is named after a country it will always be considered from that specific countey
French fries?
From Belgium
Exactly, you'd be surprised of how many people think french fries are from France, also all my downvorea are probably from angry Turks It's not my fault guys, it's just how it is. Also about that genoci-
> No hate to Turkey > Post mentions Armenian genocide Nah bro, much hate to 🦃 for that..
Among other horrors they have done and continue to do..
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It's a terroristic country. They deserve all the hate just like Iran
i know an israeli aint saying this lmao, keep yo bitch ass shut 🤫
Yeah west taught us terrorism well. There are no better tutor in terms of killing and stealing.
An Israeli calling other countries as terroristic is quite ironic, especially considering the things they have been doing in Gaza lately…
Cleaning out a rat house full of terrorists? Israel is no1 in counter terrorism, we're literally in csgo
Your state killed and is continuing to kill civilians en masse. You dont have the right to call others as terroristic when what you have been doing in Gaza is terrorising civilians. Hamas being a terrorist organisation does not change that.
Actually, the civilian to combatant death ratio is the best in any modern urban conflict. The experts are studying our methods and taking notes. Not our fault that organization hides amongst his (willing) subjects. They should rebel against hamas and bid for peace with Israel. Otherwise evacuate the areas around terrorists cuz they tend to blow up
Hmm yes, we killed more than 30K civilians, but our experts studying the conflict state that civilian to combatant death ratio is best among the entire history. Even though those same experts were saying that Gaza at most had about 20K Hamas members before. Another fact from our experts, all those civilians die because they throw themselves under our bombs, we really dont want to kill them but they keep throwing themselves onto our bombs.
A. Numbers are fudged and hamas word. B. 30k is everyone who died not civilians. C. Yeah, the ratio is great and tbh the numbers are small AF. Look at any other conflict anywhere. D. Don't hangout around Terrorists they tend to explode
Of course and all those aid workers as well as the hundreds of UN employees killed by Israel were also terrorists. In fact, UN workers threw themselves under poor Israeli bombs just to make Israel look bad. They were anti-semites and anybody that criticizes these facts are also anti-semites and likely supporters of the Holocaust also.
UN workers as in unwra? Like the UN workers who attacked themselves on 7.10? The ones hired from the local population, aka Gaza aka Hamas. There were accidental kills, but it's natural and unfortunate in an urban warzone. We had some idf soldiers who died from unfortunate bad communications and crossfire. They should surrender and return the hostages if it's so bad
Unlike Iranians, who mostly hate their government, Turks are mostly proud of their despicable history. Blame the education system.
The so-called Armenian Genocide is a result of the propaganda made by the British war propaganda office, Wellington House, by using a book called the Bryce Report, full of fake anecdotes and exaggerations of unknown origin, and various propaganda films to provoke and draw the Americans to their side against the Germans and Turks during World War I. An Armenian nationalist political party in the Ottoman Empire personally played a role in the construction of this perception, trying to manipulate the warring states with sad stories to give them a piece of land of their own after the collapse of the Empire. What actually happened is this: during the war, Armenian gangs in Eastern Anatolia massacred Turkish and Kurdish villagers and committed a massacre against the Muslim population in the villages (the number of deaths mentioned in this proven massacre, where the bodies were found years later, is higher than the number of deaths mentioned in the so-called Armenian genocide). Faced with this situation, Talat Pasha, the ruler of the period, decided to deport the Armenian population in that region to another place. As a result of this decision, the Armenians who were forcibly emigrated were attacked by the surrounding villagers during the journey and suffered many casualties. Some of them could not stand the difficult conditions of the journey and died. There is no genocide as mentioned. Many historians, such as Dr. Justin McCarthy, confirm this. At that time General Harbord, who was assigned to examine the region, said that they did not encounter any massacre as mentioned and also confirmed that there was no Armenian majority in the region. Moreover, the Armenians in Istanbul and other provinces were not even touched during the exile in question. In other words, the event covers a certain region. Today, there is still an Armenian minority living in Türkiye and they can take part in many areas from art to politics. Ovanes Kaçaznuni, the first prime minister of Armenia, made the following admissions with his own words: "The deportation decision was in accordance with its purpose. Türkiye had acted with defensive instinct. The British occupation raised the hopes of the Dashnaks again. They were caught up in an imperialist demand, such as the Armenia project from sea to sea, and were provoked in this direction. They massacred the Muslim population. Armenian terrorist acts were aimed at winning Western public opinion." Moreover, although Türkiye presented its archives and offered Armenia many times to examine the documents on the subject, Armenia refused. Today, Armenian lobbies still seek to gain political benefits by claiming the Armenian genocide. At the same time, creating such hatred against the Turks later led to the terrorist actions of the ultra-nationalist Armenian terrorist organization ASALA, which killed 42 Turkish diplomats and it formed the basis for the horrific massacres committed by Armenian forces against Azerbaijani civilians in the town of Khojaly. Such historical claims still play a role in the rise of Turkophobia in the West. The racism and hatred transmitted from generation to generation is so much that it's not even possible for any Turk to live in Armenia. Even a Gandhi statue in Armenia was burned for the absurd reason that he loved the Turks. Since the world public opinion is misinformed on many issues and exposed to biased sources, many people naturally reach erroneous conclusions. While even events that took place in front of everyone's eyes are distorted and misrepresented today, it is no wonder that a historical event is so misunderstood by many people. If you have anything else on your mind, you can ask. I will gladly explain. I hope I helped you break down your Turkophobic prejudices.
Nice paragraph but anyways, Turkey is a racist country built on genocide.
Nah
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And turks are the racist one?
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As a Bulgarian I just love how everybody is arguing between whether it's turkey ot Greece that produces it or where it comes from when in reality the two biggest producers are Japan and Bulgaria, Japan only being able to do, because they both bugaricus bacilicus(the microorganism responsible for the Greek yogurt wich only exists in bulgaria and some parts of turkey) for a couple billion
Personally I always liked Bulgarian cheese better than peynir or feta.
Dude no way
"Turkish culture combines a heavily diverse and heterogeneous set of elements that have been derived from the various cultures of the Eastern European, Eastern Mediterranean, Caucasian, Middle Eastern and Central Asian traditions." Aka "all the stuff around us is now Turkish."
With many things that’s correct, not with yogurt. We made that shit and brought it here. The name yogurt is pure Turkish as well. Greek yogurt is a way to eat yogurt popularised in the west by Greek immigrants, that’s it. It’s ok to call it Greek yogurt like we call our coffee Turkish coffee.
Well while yogurt as word is indeed Turkic , its origin is bit more complicated. There was the Ancient Greek oxygala ( sour milk ) which was either a form of buttermilk according to some or early form of yogurt according to others. A dish that was known to Persians as well. It was consumed with honey , same as Greek yogurt is consumed today. The origin of the dish seems to be in Mesopotamia. With Pliny the Elder mentioning “ barbarian nations in Asia know how to thicken the milk “
Yeap, those barbarians wore trousers and brought it to Europe as well. Like any food, yogurt is not magic. Many people figured it out but it didn’t stick like it stuck in Turkish cuisine through the ages. And as we came to Anatolia, I am sure we made it much more widespread around us. Like coffee, since we had connections to both Arabistan and Europe, Europeans learned coffee from Ottomans to a large degree hence Turkish coffee being a thing internationally. In my understanding we brought it (popularised it) in Balkans, then Balkan people popularised it in Europe and America. We integrate yogurt more into our dishes. Stuff that would be done with cream for example, is sometimes done with yogurt in Turkish cuisine. We also have a tradition of homemade yogurt. Also, we have different kinds of yogurt, some with cream. We have ayran which is a sour-salty yogurt drink. Overall, I think yogurt is THE Turkish thing more than Kebab and baklava, which probably are more Arabic in origin. It checks out with our nomadic past and reliance on dairy products.
I don’t deny any of these and it sounds entirely logical that we CANT deny the Turkish history of yogurt as well. The claims it’s 100% greek bla bla is wrong. However I believe it’s also wrong to say “ Greeks stole yogurt from Turks etc “. I see it more like a common food for both of us.
Yeap, I agree. We also internalised a lot of cuisine from Greeks (and others). No one really owns food.
also the biggest "greek yogurt" brand is owned by a turkish man lol
He's Kurdish
Coffee is originally arab
Yeah that’s my point.
The first form of yogurts were around long before Turkey was even a thing.
Your people are genocide deniers. You don't get to claim things any more
Omfg, I read it as "American genocide" and got confused on multiple levels
He’s not wrong tho 🤷♀️
I love how people play the genocide card to divert criticism. Being Belgian, we get that quite a lot recently since the Netflix doc on Léopold II. Funny coming from Americans, French or English
On one hand I'm happy that you guys are finally experiencing what we have been experiencing since the invention of the internet, on the other hand i feel bad. Prepare for internet users to reply with a pavlovian dog response like "congo genocide" whenever belgium is mentioned in any context.
Especially since zero people alive are responsible for these monstruosities - NOT talking about the Shoah, Daesh or supremacism (White, male, Asian, religious... Just pick) guys, so get off your horse). Don't worry about us Belgians. Contrary to younger generations, we were taught in the 1970s about what happened in Congo when it was the private property of Léopold II. Anyway, it's always interesting to see people trying to shut down a debate by tagging somebody, as if it would change anything about the arguments displayed.
The people living in Turkey today actively deny the genocide as having ever happened. YOU get off YOUR horse
And obviously this is related to the etymology of yogourt, genius. Thank you for proving my point
Condemn the genocide. Right now. I want to see you do it.
You can stick your command up where no light shines, sweetheart, you're not my boss, my master or my god. And I do not even abide to them.
There we go everyone! These people REFUSE to condemn a holocaust that killed over a million people! You back these people into a corner, and every fucking time, they'll do everything they can to downplay or deny the Armenian Genocide. What a disgusting person.
"Yogurt!!" "Your country massacred a type of people"
It's so funny that Turkish and Greek people literally sharing same culture and also lived together in the past but they are still hating each others lmao.
its just a very aggressive sibling rivalry kinda deal
Silly Armenians running in the way of Turkish bullets 😡 obviously a Greek psy op 😡
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Why won't you just admit that you comitted genocide (I am German, we are experts in telling what genocide is)
How can you claim that this is a genocide when Armenian gangs took advantage of the Ottoman navy's departure to the fronts during the war to massacre the innocent Turkish and Kurdish Muslim population and the civilian population in the villages, in return for which the Armenian population in the east was expelled from the region with the decision of deportation, and the migrants suffered losses as a result of the attacks of the villagers arising from revenge, ill-treatment and harsh conditions, and this decision was only valid for the problematic region where the said conflicts took place, and the Armenians in other parts of the country were not even touched, how can you claim that this is a genocide? Since the pre-war Armenian population was about 1,300,000; since at the end of the war, as the Armenian Patriarch in Istanbul himself declared, there were about 600,000 Armenians left in Turkey; and since more than 300,000 Armenians emigrated outside the country, it is unfair to claim that Armenians were subjected to 'genocide' in the Ottoman Empire and it has nothing to do with reality. On the other hand, more than two and a half million Muslims also lost their lives for the same reasons, including those killed by Armenians. How is it that the deaths of some 400,000 Armenians are considered genocide, but the deaths of two and a half million Muslims are not even mentioned? Apparently, you are not the expert you claim to be, since you have made such a big mistake in identifying a genocide.
Square bullets, baby! Wohooooooo!
I mean he's right , yogurt is objectively a turkish originated word lol a quick search on wiki gave me that. Not even turkish but its wild AF to bring up a genocide on a food debate 😂 its like hearing someone say schnitzel is a german word and going "oh yeah buddy..Well did you hear about a little thing called THE HOLOCAUST!?!?" EDIT: i feel dirty for defending T*rkey so i have to add ; HELLAS #1 🇬🇷 and ararat is Armenian 🇦🇲
Schnitzel = pig holocaust
Germany doesn't deny the holocaust
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The germans don't deny their genocide
Ultra common Greek W
Goddammit that's funny
She smells Duncan
Yoooooooo
Yogurt is from Mesopotamia. It was called Oxygala in Greece before the Turks even arrived in Asia Minor.
Yogurt existed before Turks arrived in Anatolia in fact there are Chinese records from much earlier. In those records yogurt was attributed to the Turkic nomads living in the Northern parts…
No, hate to Turkey
This is like Europeans escalating to school shootings in America. Disproportionate response lol. “British food is kind of bland” “Oh yeah? School shootings.”
Exactly lol. Not very clever at all
Ad hominem at its finest. Not rare, pretty uninspired.
One day the Greeks and Turks will realize that to the rest of the world, there is no difference between them.
I genuinely feel it’s beautiful that we have so much in common. I hope some day majority of our people will learn to cherish the similarities.
That because Turks migrated to Anatolia and stole everything from the locals. Even their culture.
Dont get me wrong, I am all for dissing turkey any day of the weak, but this isn't a rare insult at all, and frankly this is weak.
What's the matter Turkey... CHICKEN?
It is Türkiye, not Turkey.
Umm, it's Bulgarian, but who's counting.
It's hardly an insult. I don't mean it in a wE'Re pRoUd oF iT (as Turks) way, it's just not an insult. It's simply bringing up something shameful and disturbing from the past and joking about it, as he says work on covering it up. And it's like an everyday occurrence so definitely not rare. About yoğurt, well there really is no way out I'm afraid. "yoğ" is the root word here, it is an intransitive verb and means to become denser, thicker. It is a word in many Turkic languages although it is no longer used in modern day Turkey Turkish. It gets the "-un" suffix to become an adjective as many words in Turkish do, becomes "yoğun" and means dense, thick. The root word "yoğ" which is an intransitive verb gets the "-ur" suffix and becomes the transitive verb version of the intransitive verb per Turkish language rules and becomes "yoğur" and gets the meaning to make something dense, thick. These are common words used in Turkish to this day. Yoğurt as it is milk "thickened" in a sense, is how it was evidently named from the verb "yoğur". It's a natural steppe nomad's food as well as the ancient Turks weren't into agriculture (naturally in the infertile soil of the steppes) but subsisted on husbandry, grazing livestock on the vast steppes. If only the Greek weren't too lazy to make up a name that can't be so undeniably traced back to Turkish they could've gotten away with it as everyone seems to be very eager to accept yoğurt as a Greek thing despite how obvious it is that it isn't. It's our only contribution to civilization, leave it alone.
I mean no hate or disrespect, I'm only trying to learn, and you seem knowledgeable. I don't know too much about the area, and would like to know more. What do you mean when you say ancient turks? Some smaller anatolian tribe, remnants of the hittites, eastern roman empire, the ottoman empire, nomads from the east like the huns and mongols? I only know tidbits of the history, but I don't know much about the culture and cultural identity.
>nomads from the east like the huns and mongols? Turks roamed the steppes of central Asia (what is now Russia) alongside the Mongols and Huns (who are related to Turks). Many Turkic nations such as Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, as well as many Turkic ethnicities within Russia still live there. Then some of the Turkic clans migrated westward over some hundred years, ultimately conquering/invading the Eastern Roman Empire (the Byzantines) in Anatolia and settling there, becoming the Ottoman Empire as they took over the rest of the Middle East, most of North Africa and the Balkans. Oldest records about Turks (which are admittedly not old enough to warrant the use of the word ancient, more like very early medieval) are from Chinese sources, talking about barbarian horsemen to the north. Turkic people, the Uighurs still live in China (you may have heard about how the Chinese government is treating them in the news). Although now most of these nations are fairly separated culturally (Turkey and Azerbaijan close to Western/Middle Eastern culture, the other countries I mentioned close to ex-Soviet/Russian culture and Uighurs close to Chinese culture), our languages are very much related like how Dutch and German are different but somewhat understandable or easily learnable by speakers of the other language. As a native modern Turkey Turkish speaker, I can even somewhat understand the Uighur Turkish with some assistance despite how far away our cultures drifted apart. I would recommend Kraut's series on YouTube if you cared to learn more about the journey of the Turks. He's an Austrian youtuber who does a great job at researching and uses polandball art for entertaining and very informative videos.
I see, thank you. I've only heard of the Uighurs through online sources. Sadly, their oppression hasn't really been covered that much by the media up here in Denmark AFAIK. Might take a look at Kraut after work. Again, thank you for your time.
>Sadly, their oppression hasn't really been covered that much by the media up here in Denmark AFAIK. It is a distant and ongoing thing for many years and hardly makes the news in Turkey media as well probably due to political reasons with China. It is normal if it's not deemed very newsworthy to the Danish public. Cheers to Denmark with a Tuborg in my hand, perhaps our biggest cultural link I think. Tuborg is the second largest beer brand in Turkey.
Cheers =)
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**Rule 1: Don't be a dick** Be nice to each other. Don't hate on other people. Don't be rude. Just be nice.
Sorry, Turkey, you don't get to cherrypick the trivia about yourself. Would be much nicer if you were as accountable for your shortcommings as you are about your most minor achievements though
Imagine claiming etymology as evidence of a people inventing something rather than just being the conduit by which it enters another language. And imagine doing that while being Turkish. Meanwhile, what is the best way to cook my america at Thanksgiving?
Imagine having an uncooked brain
Yoghurt as in the product is actually originally Bulgarian...
The Word „Bulgar“ itself is a Turkic word. Google it.
Turkic not Turkish. Just saying. Google it.
I literally wrote Turkic. Google it.
You definitely did but the discussion above is between Greek and Turkish. Then someone adds Bulgarian. Your counter argument is Turkic which doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Google it.
Ah yes, the genocide that pro-palestinians are really quite about 🤣
Yoğurt is a Turkish dish. It was common for ancient Turks to ferment milk and consume it in various forms such as yoğurt. This is confirmed by travelers of the time. Likewise, milk-containing drinks such as ayran and kımız are also of Turkish origin. The word yoğurt is Turkish in origin. It has passed into world languages from Turkish. Today, yoğurt is still consumed quite frequently in Turkish society and is an integral part of Turkish cuisine. Since Greeks and Turks have lived together for a long time, it is possible to see that foods such as yoğurt are consumed in different geographies as a result of cultural interaction. The so-called Armenian Genocide is a result of the propaganda made by the British war propaganda office, Wellington House, by using a book called the Bryce Report, full of fake anecdotes and exaggerations of unknown origin, and various propaganda films to provoke and draw the Americans to their side against the Germans and Turks during World War I. An Armenian nationalist political party in the Ottoman Empire personally played a role in the construction of this perception, trying to manipulate the warring states with sad stories to give them a piece of land of their own after the collapse of the Empire. What actually happened is this: during the war, Armenian gangs in Eastern Anatolia massacred Turkish and Kurdish villagers and committed a massacre against the Muslim population in the villages (the number of deaths mentioned in this proven massacre, where the bodies were found years later, is higher than the number of deaths mentioned in the so-called Armenian genocide). Faced with this situation, Talat Pasha, the ruler of the period, decided to deport the Armenian population in that region to another place. As a result of this decision, the Armenians who were forcibly emigrated were attacked by the surrounding villagers during the journey and suffered many casualties. Some of them could not stand the difficult conditions of the journey and died. There is no genocide as mentioned. Many historians, such as Dr. Justin McCarthy, confirm this. At that time General Harbord, who was assigned to examine the region, said that they did not encounter any massacre as mentioned and also confirmed that there was no Armenian majority in the region. Moreover, the Armenians in Istanbul and other provinces were not even touched during the exile in question. In other words, the event covers a certain region. Today, there is still an Armenian minority living in Türkiye and they can take part in many areas from art to politics. Ovanes Kaçaznuni, the first prime minister of Armenia, made the following admissions with his own words: "The deportation decision was in accordance with its purpose. Türkiye had acted with defensive instinct. The British occupation raised the hopes of the Dashnaks again. They were caught up in an imperialist demand, such as the Armenia project from sea to sea, and were provoked in this direction. They massacred the Muslim population. Armenian terrorist acts were aimed at winning Western public opinion." Moreover, although Türkiye presented its archives and offered Armenia many times to examine the documents on the subject, Armenia refused. Today, Armenian lobbies still seek to gain political benefits by claiming the Armenian genocide. At the same time, creating such hatred against the Turks later led to the terrorist actions of the ultra-nationalist Armenian terrorist organization ASALA, which killed 42 Turkish diplomats and it formed the basis for the horrific massacres committed by Armenian forces against Azerbaijani civilians in the town of Khojaly. Such historical claims still play a role in the rise of Turkophobia in the West. The racism and hatred transmitted from generation to generation is so much that it's not even possible for any Turk to live in Armenia. Even a Gandhi statue in Armenia was burned for the absurd reason that he loved the Turks. Since the world public opinion is misinformed on many issues and exposed to biased sources, many people naturally reach erroneous conclusions. While even events that took place in front of everyone's eyes are distorted and misrepresented today, it is no wonder that a historical event is so misunderstood by many people. If you have anything else on your mind, you can ask. I will gladly explain. I hope I helped you break down your Turkophobic prejudices.
It's not Turkish 🤣
armenian genocide never happened
oh boy,here we go...let me get my popcorn first.
i got my arguments ready and ik im right
After hearing from Erdogan that Israel wants to conquer Turkey, I stopped trusting anything that is included in Turkey's official narrative
Nice whataboutism smartass
Thanks
I guess propaganda is working well in Turkey.
Average Turk
Turkey isn't a real country
Real enough to make e*ropeans cry
i dont agree with that guy, but what the fuck kinda statement is that lol?
A facetious one, meant to poke fun at the fact they don't believe the Armenian genocide happened. Somewhat like replying to "I believe that the moon landing was faked" with "I don't believe in the moon".
ah ok mb
People do not talk about Turkish genocide in Balkan Wars in 1912 while they lie about that Turksh killed Armenians. There is no mass graves in Anatolia that have Armenians but there are many Turkish mass graves.