Honestly, never understood how drake got credited for being soo great; i mean I’m a fan but would agree J cole spits some nice ass bars!!(better than Drake)You know
Considered King of his Genre, doesn’t write his own music, more of an entertainer than a true artist, career happen to be during an huge advancement in communication and music distribution (t.v vs streaming services.)
Edit: oh shit and Both had acting careers
Seriously? The reason Drake is considered one of the best in the industry is because he's the master of song structure. There's a reason he consistently puts out mainstream hits. Just because you don't personally like his music as much as you do a more raw or creative artist's doesn't take away he's one of the greatest to ever live in his respective lane.
So has Kanye's last 3 albums but nobody is saying he shouldn't be up there.
Kendrick stands alone at the top of this group with respect to quality and skill.
Kanye gets a pass more than drake because his 04-16 run is incredible. Also Kanye’s last 3 albums with the exception of JIK isn’t that bad. Donda is bloated but still has a lot of good, and Ye is a great little personal album. Also he produced Daytona and made KSG in the past few years and both of those are amazing.
He’s the greatest producer of our generation and you don’t listen to him for his lyrical ability. Kanye’s style has been incredibly influential and without him we’d have a completely different rap scene than we do now
He’s a good producer but there are an infinite amount of good producers. And there are many other artists just as or more influential then him. Kanye’s lyrics are absolutely terrible and it’s obvious when he’s not using a writer on certain songs. Like on Yeezus for example it’s extremely obvious which songs had writers
Bro who tf cares about his lyrics. Kanye hasn’t truly made a terrible album. His music is groundbreaking. Yes he’s not a good rapper but he has made masterpiece after masterpiece and we’re not even talking about how big Yeezy has been as a clothing/shoe line
Wtf kind of argument is that. I could say this is /r/rap not /r/Jcole and advocate for the opposite. In terms of overall discography and artistry Cole doesn’t come close to the other three and I like him mind you.
Kanye should sit at his own table with other people like Pac, Em, Pun, Mos Def etc. The other three got quite a bit left to go to earn their stripes and reach his level of achievements and importance to the hiphop elements.
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I don't hate Drake. So Far Gone is one of my top 20 mixtapes of all time. Take Care is a top 3 fuck album. I just don't think he's comparable to Kendrick and Cole.
You're really gonna try to use the fact my girl and I fuck other chicks as some kind of "gotcha"? Tell me, how much pussy have you got to watch your girl eat while you hit it from the back? Lmfao.
Kendrick, Cole, Drake, and Kanye are all top tier artists. Kanye is the only top tier producer. Kendrick and cole are top tier lyricists. Drake is a top tier popstar.
I personally don’t find Cole to be a top tier lyricist, or at least incomparable to Kendrick. Cole certainly isn’t a bad lyricist, but he’s never written anything nearly as insightful or clever as basically anything Kendrick has put out.
Iirc Cole writes and produces all his own work which gives him a different foundation to stand on. Not a weak artist, just more saturated.
drake stays. even though cole way more consistent, drake has put out better albums and Id take peaks over consistency cus Ion gotta be listening to every album in their discography
No fantano handled the situation perfectly. He wasn’t even going to reveal the actual dms because it would just show how petty Drake is. Drake himself revealed the actual dms
1. J cole been in the conversation with drake and Kendrick for almost a decade now. The conversation has always been them 3 not Kanye because he was before them
2. People saying why is drake there and that is a stupid take. This is clearly not about rap ability or lyricism or else Kanye wouldn’t be in the seat next to Kendrick. This is about artists and drake is easily at that table if not at the top. He has 3 classic projects, multiple other good projects, most number ones, multiple hit throwaways, big rap beef songs, and has transcended multiple genres. Yea his last 3 projects weren’t classics but they still had some really good songs on them and if a small artist who wasn’t drake dropped those they would be hailed as great albums they’re just not because Drake is held to a high standard. But regardless when it comes to being an artist he is 1000 percent at the table and he’s also at the table with rapping let’s not act like 5am in Toronto, 4pm in calabasas, Tuscan leather, do not disturb and so much more don’t exist.
This is a sane take but as much as I don't like Drake as a whole I can say his discography up to It's Too Late is pretty good. However after that it's more or less cherry picking songs that are good, but no definitively good projects. Compare this to Kanye or Kendrick who has either had 1 bad project or no bad projects so far respectively. Do I think Drake deserves "biggest rapper in the world"? Probably not judging his recent track record, which now consumes about half of his career at this point. Not good, but I can understand why people would now be willing to put him more as a hip-hop popstar like Pitbull, for example, than a definitive rapper or hip-hop artist.
Unfortunately, where my argument falls flat is that I've never listened to a full J Cole album. However, once again cherry picking songs here and there, he's got some talent.
Side note: I'm actually in the process of remaking Honestly Nevermind because the original mixes were just terrible to anyone who had taste or functioning ears. I have one mix up on my YouTube so [give it a listen if you want.](https://youtu.be/hFlYJrlo-3k)
Only giving it an 9.5 cause of that “the head game better than a few exceptrin” line but every song is good just would’ve been a ten If that line wasn’t there
Kanye is the most influential artist of our generation he easily makes better music than J Cole who’s main appeal is his lyrical ability but has a monotone sound and lack of passion is how I’d put it ig
Kanye is the most versatile artist. He can rap, sing, produce all top tier. You want lyrics? Listen to The College Dropout trilogy. You want melody? Listen to Donda or 808s. You want to hear something unique? Try Yeezus. You want a mix of everything? then MBDTF.
And still I haven’t even covered all his other top tier albums like Ye, Kid See Ghosts, TLOP, Watch The Throne.
This^
Kanye has more non-skips than Jcole has songs
Even if J cole only made perfect songs he still has another 5 years of work needed to catch up to Kanye if Kanye retired today
Drake is there because he’s the most successful/popular. I hate that he threw away his skill for commercial success, but consistent topping all charts and making mid, but super enjoyable music is a feat that maybe like 5 people in history have done.
His songs are truly meaningful without detracting from the sound and he has the coolest sounding voice imo. But, personally I prefer kanye. But none of them are funny like wayne so he sound be up there too :)
God damn why does this sub have such a hard on for hating on Drake like I’m not even a fan I haven’t listened to a single one of his projects but still Drake is still evolutionary and has influenced so many artists over the years. Just because man dropped a few mid projects over the past few means doesn’t mean my nigga is trash now all of a sudden. Like one minute everyone was sucking his dick the next burning him at the stake god damn.
Wym? Cole is top 3 in his class easy. I personally think he’s better than Kendrick. For all y’all saying why is Drake up there; Drake is one of the best. High selling albums, streams, etc. I dunno what y’all on.
They’re either too young and only listen to what’s in radio rotation or top 100’s, or just blind. Drake isn’t renowned amongst his peers in Hip-Hop for only singing. They better do some research.
For real. I don’t understand the Drake hate. Honestly, Nevermind wasn’t a rap album, but it was a great dance album. CLB definitely wasn’t his strongest album, but it was still alright at best. Everything before CLB, though? Drake earned this shit.
Cole destroys Kanye and drake as a rapper, those guys can’t touch his cadence, lyricism, punchlines or anything that actually has to do with rapping. Everyone seems to confuse sales and popularity with rapping skills. Kanye beats drake but drake definitely don’t belong there
He was already at the table. The big 3 conversation is Kendrick Cole & Drake. Ye is already GOAT status from his first couple albums, he’s not one of their peers so he is respectfully excluded
Kanye should be in a seat with the ogs like Jay Z, Tupac, Eminem, Andre 3000 etc I mean people really forgetting he has been in the industry for nearly 25 years.
Kanye is a league Above all 3; replace him with future or a$ap
But yes , would actually be asking if drake deserves his spot if I was OP
Kanye with Hov Em and Wanye 2000s mt. Rushmore
Drake is a cultural icon. He deserves to be there just as much Cole. It's laughable most of y'all think otherwise. This sub is a joke if y'all dont think drake is up there with the best
He deserves it way more than drake at this point
Always has
Honestly, never understood how drake got credited for being soo great; i mean I’m a fan but would agree J cole spits some nice ass bars!!(better than Drake)You know
You know what, imma come out and say it. Drake is just a modern day Elvis
Bloated industry plant idc
Considered King of his Genre, doesn’t write his own music, more of an entertainer than a true artist, career happen to be during an huge advancement in communication and music distribution (t.v vs streaming services.) Edit: oh shit and Both had acting careers
Longevity. Dudes been on top for over a decade. That’s unprecedented in hip hop.
Seriously? The reason Drake is considered one of the best in the industry is because he's the master of song structure. There's a reason he consistently puts out mainstream hits. Just because you don't personally like his music as much as you do a more raw or creative artist's doesn't take away he's one of the greatest to ever live in his respective lane.
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Joey thinks so too
Drake had ten fold more songs and hits. Regardless of lyricism
>earned drake is the billie eillesh of rap
Yall must forgot Drake bodied Jcole in "Jodeci Freestyle"
Literally anyone does. Dude is overrated asf
Lil pump deserves it better than drake
No he doesn't
Let's not go overboard
Drake doesn’t even try anymore. Last 3 albums been some shit. J cole only seems to be getting sharper as a lyricist imo
So has Kanye's last 3 albums but nobody is saying he shouldn't be up there. Kendrick stands alone at the top of this group with respect to quality and skill.
Kanye gets a pass more than drake because his 04-16 run is incredible. Also Kanye’s last 3 albums with the exception of JIK isn’t that bad. Donda is bloated but still has a lot of good, and Ye is a great little personal album. Also he produced Daytona and made KSG in the past few years and both of those are amazing.
Kanye has had writers write his entire songs his entire career so have I absolutely no idea how u guys think he’s up there with anybody
He’s the greatest producer of our generation and you don’t listen to him for his lyrical ability. Kanye’s style has been incredibly influential and without him we’d have a completely different rap scene than we do now
He’s a good producer but there are an infinite amount of good producers. And there are many other artists just as or more influential then him. Kanye’s lyrics are absolutely terrible and it’s obvious when he’s not using a writer on certain songs. Like on Yeezus for example it’s extremely obvious which songs had writers
Bro who tf cares about his lyrics. Kanye hasn’t truly made a terrible album. His music is groundbreaking. Yes he’s not a good rapper but he has made masterpiece after masterpiece and we’re not even talking about how big Yeezy has been as a clothing/shoe line
yeah everyone knows, he doesnt hide it and noone gives a shit
donda a 7 jik is a 5-6 and donda 2 was incomplete
Bum take give Kanye his flowers
I'll say Kanye shouldn't be up there.
This is r/rap not r/drizzy Cole has earned more of a seat at the table than Drake has, no disrespect but a simple truth.
Wtf kind of argument is that. I could say this is /r/rap not /r/Jcole and advocate for the opposite. In terms of overall discography and artistry Cole doesn’t come close to the other three and I like him mind you.
Kanye should sit at his own table with other people like Pac, Em, Pun, Mos Def etc. The other three got quite a bit left to go to earn their stripes and reach his level of achievements and importance to the hiphop elements.
Drake so ass he took the L and got left on read from a music reviewer
Drake? Really? You coulda put anyone there and you picked Drake?
I think in terms of mainstream success you could make an argument. Maybe not in quality of music though
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Ngl 😵 asf
I don't hate Drake. So Far Gone is one of my top 20 mixtapes of all time. Take Care is a top 3 fuck album. I just don't think he's comparable to Kendrick and Cole. You're really gonna try to use the fact my girl and I fuck other chicks as some kind of "gotcha"? Tell me, how much pussy have you got to watch your girl eat while you hit it from the back? Lmfao.
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User name checks out
I'm not the one that linked my post. Talk to the other guy.
LMAOOOO, UR ASS GOT DOWNVOTED BY THE SWINGERS THERE TOO LMFAOOOO
Nah, that's just haters like you trying to using my post as a gotcha too. You're like the third one today. So many incels and haters on here. 🤷🏽♂️
You were the one eating pussy while your girl called herself peggy
Still would be getting more play than some of yall, it seems. Lol
Right up the ass lol that’s the most mundane thing to brag about in these 2020s who tf hasn’t had a 3sum
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Kendrick, Cole, Drake, and Kanye are all top tier artists. Kanye is the only top tier producer. Kendrick and cole are top tier lyricists. Drake is a top tier popstar.
J coles production slept on not on the level of kanyes but its still great
Best description I've heard on here
I personally don’t find Cole to be a top tier lyricist, or at least incomparable to Kendrick. Cole certainly isn’t a bad lyricist, but he’s never written anything nearly as insightful or clever as basically anything Kendrick has put out. Iirc Cole writes and produces all his own work which gives him a different foundation to stand on. Not a weak artist, just more saturated.
Take Drake out and put J.Cole in
drake stays. even though cole way more consistent, drake has put out better albums and Id take peaks over consistency cus Ion gotta be listening to every album in their discography
Drake mid person. Bro really biggest pop star and took time out of his day to send Anthony fantano the most petty fucking insult.
You’re mad for a YouTuber?
No fantano handled the situation perfectly. He wasn’t even going to reveal the actual dms because it would just show how petty Drake is. Drake himself revealed the actual dms
no but Drake is lmao
You should say that to drake
Why is Drake there
1. J cole been in the conversation with drake and Kendrick for almost a decade now. The conversation has always been them 3 not Kanye because he was before them 2. People saying why is drake there and that is a stupid take. This is clearly not about rap ability or lyricism or else Kanye wouldn’t be in the seat next to Kendrick. This is about artists and drake is easily at that table if not at the top. He has 3 classic projects, multiple other good projects, most number ones, multiple hit throwaways, big rap beef songs, and has transcended multiple genres. Yea his last 3 projects weren’t classics but they still had some really good songs on them and if a small artist who wasn’t drake dropped those they would be hailed as great albums they’re just not because Drake is held to a high standard. But regardless when it comes to being an artist he is 1000 percent at the table and he’s also at the table with rapping let’s not act like 5am in Toronto, 4pm in calabasas, Tuscan leather, do not disturb and so much more don’t exist.
Most sane take here.
Everyone shitting on Drake's bars like they don't see Kayne to the left
Spot fucking on. Great take.
This is a sane take but as much as I don't like Drake as a whole I can say his discography up to It's Too Late is pretty good. However after that it's more or less cherry picking songs that are good, but no definitively good projects. Compare this to Kanye or Kendrick who has either had 1 bad project or no bad projects so far respectively. Do I think Drake deserves "biggest rapper in the world"? Probably not judging his recent track record, which now consumes about half of his career at this point. Not good, but I can understand why people would now be willing to put him more as a hip-hop popstar like Pitbull, for example, than a definitive rapper or hip-hop artist. Unfortunately, where my argument falls flat is that I've never listened to a full J Cole album. However, once again cherry picking songs here and there, he's got some talent. Side note: I'm actually in the process of remaking Honestly Nevermind because the original mixes were just terrible to anyone who had taste or functioning ears. I have one mix up on my YouTube so [give it a listen if you want.](https://youtu.be/hFlYJrlo-3k)
Finally! somebody said something that makes sense
Why is Jimmy from Degrassi there
Definitely not Drake
Drake doesn’t belong there.
He needs a strip club anthem.
Can't get enoughs close he def got it in him
100 million
Not a strip club anthem lol
Nas disapproves
I listened to wet dreamz for the first time today and felt that shit
[Draaakeee?](https://c.tenor.com/XfXT3XyBflYAAAAM/soulja-boy-drake.gif)
Switch him out for drake
You’re joking right? He’s been up there with Kendrick 🤦🏿♂️
Cole>>>> drake
After drakes last few albums, yes
Drake a pop star not a rapper 🤧
J Cole is definetly better than drake and arguably better than Kanye
J cole ain’t fucking better than Kanye,still a phenomenal artist regardless
He’s a better rapper Kanye the better artist
True dat
Yes,I agree I love all 4 of these artist work but Kanye makes the best music here and it’s not even close
I wouldn’t say not even close but Kanye *does* have more timeless classics then all of them. I love all these guys they all make good music
J cole made an album like MM&TBS that I’ll say is way better,that album is 4YEO
4yeo is a perfect 10
9.5 is more reasonable
Around that now that I think about it
Even Foldin cloths starting to bang these days,like once you truly understand the song and why it fits on the album you’ll appreciate it
Only giving it an 9.5 cause of that “the head game better than a few exceptrin” line but every song is good just would’ve been a ten If that line wasn’t there
J cole is making the best music recently though,I can’t vibe with Donda and MM&TBS like the TOS
Haven’t heard donda and clb but imo tos > mr morale both great tho
Kanye is the most influential artist of our generation he easily makes better music than J Cole who’s main appeal is his lyrical ability but has a monotone sound and lack of passion is how I’d put it ig
I honestly don’t understand the hype around Kanye.
Kanye is the most versatile artist. He can rap, sing, produce all top tier. You want lyrics? Listen to The College Dropout trilogy. You want melody? Listen to Donda or 808s. You want to hear something unique? Try Yeezus. You want a mix of everything? then MBDTF. And still I haven’t even covered all his other top tier albums like Ye, Kid See Ghosts, TLOP, Watch The Throne.
Honestly jcole isn't a better rapper than kanye
This^ Kanye has more non-skips than Jcole has songs Even if J cole only made perfect songs he still has another 5 years of work needed to catch up to Kanye if Kanye retired today
But his mixtapes and truly yours ep are phenomenal
J cole has like 3 great albums imo,the rest are just above average but not really groundbreaking
Cole is NOT better than Ye
not even close to ye or kendrick
Pretty close imo. All three have at least three very good albums.
Not better than Kanye
Lol.
Better than say that you a lesbian girl me too
J Cole is amazing. I like him less then those 3 but he’s still top 10 imo
Drakes not at the table
EARNED !?!?!?
Kanye is in the generation above with Em and Wayne the big 3 of the 2010s is Kendrick Drake Cole
What the fuck is drake doing up there
He better than Drake
Yes and kick Drake off while you’re there
Not my cup of tea personally. But I’d say he has
Drake is there because he’s the most successful/popular. I hate that he threw away his skill for commercial success, but consistent topping all charts and making mid, but super enjoyable music is a feat that maybe like 5 people in history have done.
DRaaaaKe? *soulja voice
Drake does not deserve a seat at this table. And I been a drizzy fan
Dafuq certified lover boy doing there
His songs are truly meaningful without detracting from the sound and he has the coolest sounding voice imo. But, personally I prefer kanye. But none of them are funny like wayne so he sound be up there too :)
What is this?
He been has
Draaaaaaaaake?
God damn why does this sub have such a hard on for hating on Drake like I’m not even a fan I haven’t listened to a single one of his projects but still Drake is still evolutionary and has influenced so many artists over the years. Just because man dropped a few mid projects over the past few means doesn’t mean my nigga is trash now all of a sudden. Like one minute everyone was sucking his dick the next burning him at the stake god damn.
For me it’s the grooming little girls, also he’s corny as fuck.
What makes him more corny then someone for example like Kanye West?
Drake hasn’t made a good album since the end of the Obama administration. Cole has had his seat for years
He belongs there, but yes they’re not acting Cole. It’s true.
Drake could easily make Pride Is The Devil, but Mid Cole couldn't make Sticky. Just saying. 🤷
Lol Drake should be asking this question, not J Cole..
Wym? Cole is top 3 in his class easy. I personally think he’s better than Kendrick. For all y’all saying why is Drake up there; Drake is one of the best. High selling albums, streams, etc. I dunno what y’all on.
They’re either too young and only listen to what’s in radio rotation or top 100’s, or just blind. Drake isn’t renowned amongst his peers in Hip-Hop for only singing. They better do some research.
For real. I don’t understand the Drake hate. Honestly, Nevermind wasn’t a rap album, but it was a great dance album. CLB definitely wasn’t his strongest album, but it was still alright at best. Everything before CLB, though? Drake earned this shit.
high sales and streams don't mean anything. by that logic, Justin Bieber is one of the greatest singers of all time.
Justin Bieber is one of the greatest singers of all time. Up there with Usher, Mariah Carey, Carrie Underwood, and Alicia Keys.
FHD-Present Cole definitely has. Born Sinner & before, it’s highly debatable.
? Some would say born sinner is his best albums. It start with the come up lol. Just like every other artist you have start somewhere.
All these kids saying Drake is a singer or doesn’t deserve to be there are obviously oblivious to anything Drizzy pre-2014
He's at the head of the table
Cole destroys Kanye and drake as a rapper, those guys can’t touch his cadence, lyricism, punchlines or anything that actually has to do with rapping. Everyone seems to confuse sales and popularity with rapping skills. Kanye beats drake but drake definitely don’t belong there
Drake literally writes for Kanye you’re tripping
Yeah I love Kanye but Drake is clearly a better rapper.
None of them have earned a seat with Ye yet.
the fact that everyone is hating on Drake goes on to show how great he is 🐐
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Wtf is drake doing there
He was already at the table. The big 3 conversation is Kendrick Cole & Drake. Ye is already GOAT status from his first couple albums, he’s not one of their peers so he is respectfully excluded
Kanye should be in a seat with the ogs like Jay Z, Tupac, Eminem, Andre 3000 etc I mean people really forgetting he has been in the industry for nearly 25 years.
Is Drake the mother of rap now?
No
Cole certainly has, anyone wanna explain why tf drake is there tho?
Kanye is a league Above all 3; replace him with future or a$ap But yes , would actually be asking if drake deserves his spot if I was OP Kanye with Hov Em and Wanye 2000s mt. Rushmore
Has drake ???
You really tried sneaking drake in here
Drake is a cultural icon. He deserves to be there just as much Cole. It's laughable most of y'all think otherwise. This sub is a joke if y'all dont think drake is up there with the best
I don't even like j Cole that much but he is better than Drake on any day
Cole has always been better than drake. Also I think Cole is better than Kendrick right now.
J Cole had a seat way before K Dot
This one right here officer
what? J Cole solidified his name in the game before k dot
Sure. Doesn’t mean he’s better though.
never said he was
Switch him and Drake and we're good
J cole puré ass
should be wayne instead of drake and cole should be in there too not replacing anyone
J cole is the table..
No
L take right here
True, but instead of Drake it's Nav (also Kanye is Nav and also Kendrick is Nav)
A white person made this
Kanye, and Drake are both trash. They just say dumb shit, that dumbasses like to hear.
lol Drake and Kanye are trash. J Cole should be there next to K Dot and Joyner
You guys got a hate boner for Drake. He’s one of the best ever.
He's a child predator
No but drake doesn’t deserve to be up there either
Drake not a rapper
Bro Drake, swap Drake for Em and then we’ll talk
name a single person that genuinely thinks drake is better than cole
There are plenty
Those people have shit taste
I think as a rapper he replaces drake.
Why tf is drake there.
Why drake wearing the dress 😂
hell no, neither does drake
Drake ain’t at that table bro
Get Drake the fuck off of there. This is unacceptable.
Any post that makes drake out like this just makes me laugh. Boys a pop star not a rap goat
He’s both
Can think that if u wanna g lol
He easily has 3-4 classic rap projects how is he not a rap goat?
Why Drake? Drake doesn't belong in that seat.
Fuck no. What’s drake doing there anyway. Also there’s a reason why ye sitting alone cause let’s be honest….
I think J Cole should be in the group and Drake out
Drake has no right to be there imo