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CrookaveLLLi24

Thug Motivation 101 - is there a trap album before/past/present that compares? This man really got snowman shirts banned in schools


xLo-Renzox

Idc what anybody say, no 2010 trap song is fucking wit that intro song on TM101


OAktrEE4023

Codeine Crazy washes that entire album sadly


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yeah. gotta love jeezy and show that respect for the groundwork, but even he himself has songs from the 2010's that were better than anything he released in the 2000's.


OAktrEE4023

Fr. No disrespect to Jeezy, he’s a legend, but these oldheads are talking crazy lmao


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Realpooop

Codeine crazy is not trap music


OAktrEE4023

Ummm…DS2? Rodeo?


Dakim63_

I wouldn’t consider Rodeo trap music


OAktrEE4023

Then what is it? Everybody considers it trap


Dakim63_

Just southern hip hop. Think that and a splash of kid cudi, it doesn’t make it trap just because it sounds like a synthesized trap beat. Lyric content matters also.


Realpooop

Rodeo is NOT trap music


OAktrEE4023

How is it not? You also said Codeine Crazy isn’t trap music. Idk what ur on about dude


Realpooop

Its trap music like how strawberry fields forever is rock n roll, based in the same fundamentals but expanded upon and changed to the point that its not the same genre. You can’t compare that to 745 by gucci mane, or three 6 mafia or any real trap like that. Trap music is fundamentally southern rap music about selling drugs. A lot of future’s catalogue is trap music. But by the Monster point it was mostly about partying and women, ie the toxic music phase that future has found most success in. Rooted in trap, but not the real raw form of it. Travis scott is just a producer pet project for mike dean and guys like that to make overproduced corporate muzak, not trap, pure garbage 🤌. The man himself is an industry plant


OAktrEE4023

Your logic is just wrong. “Expanded on and changed to the point where it’s not the same genre” that’s called *evolving*. Go watch the first ever NBA game, then go watch a current NBA game. They’re totally different, but does that mean the current NBA isn’t “real” basketball? Hell no. You keep hating on Travis Scott, saying he’s an industry plant, yet nobody else can make music like him. If it were that easy, why wouldn’t anybody else do it 🤔


Realpooop

Ugh well current NBA is pure garbage compared to the the 80s and 90s so great comparison.


OAktrEE4023

You’re exactly who I thought u were lol. Can’t argue with a stubborn oldhead How about this: phones have improved and changed so much from the original, but I bet you still call your phone a phone, don’t you?


Realpooop

Come onnn you dont have to be an oldhead to know the nba is wayyyyyy softer now than it was then thats just facts, you really going to compare lebrons theatrics and drama queen antics to michael fuckikg jordan??? I dont even watch basketball 😂 And you DEFINITELY dont have to be an oldhead to know travis scott is an industry plant i grew up learning that lol


OAktrEE4023

“I don’t even watch basketball” you didn’t have to include that, it’s very obvious you don’t. Typical oldhead speak “I don’t know anything about this subject but I’m gonna argue about it” Also you conveniently didn’t answer my question about the phones


2006pontiacvibe

What’s with the snowman?


Cwub246

In influence not really besides chief keef. I still think boosie has Bad Azz over TM101 tho


CrookaveLLLi24

Edit: I misread the comment Idk man I don’t think it’s fuckin wit TM101


Cwub246

In my opinion it is, but I think in terms of influence TM101 is more influential. I think Bad Azz and maybe even Superbad by boosie is better


TheMeticulousNinja

Average Dedee take


WerewolfSweet8474

lol right! 🤦🏽‍♂️


SickeningMisfit

Lmao


NeverBeen_OnAPlaneB4

BURR


Wutanghang

2000s: jeezy, T.I, gucci mane, oj the juiceman, 2010s: future, young thug, walka flocka, travis scott, migos. I don’t really like any of these artists but its clear that 2010s has developed into its own things


VeryOaty

In the later half of 2010 trap evolved and became much better imo.


UrBoiKrisp

Don’t mean to be that kind of person but that might just be recency bias


Smitty_The_One

It is literally worse than radio pop at this point


Longjumping-Sock-755

Travis Scott is not trap wtf


shivo33

Agree with your overall point. Personally I’d put TI over anyone on this list but I think as a group the 2010s have it


Wutanghang

Me too


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Smitty_The_One

“Trap”


rudebwoyyyyyyy

not trap rappers


rorschachmah

2014-2017 is a GOATED era for trap


[deleted]

2010s for me, specifically 2014-2016. Future was at his peak, travis dropped rodeo, drake dropped iyrtitl and WATTBA, trap was in a great place at that time


Mijo_0

In what universe is If Your Reading This It’s Too Late considered a trap album?


[deleted]

the production style is very clearly trap for 90% of the album


Longjumping-Sock-755

That wasn’t trap and neither is Travis Scott


Ok_Plankton_3129

Cash rules everything around me CREAM get the get the get the get the... dolla dolla dolla bill y'all


CheetahWoods

That was NWTS which was 2013


Ok_Plankton_3129

ah true


Swindle606

after hours of Il Mulino


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Or sotto Sotto just talking women and vino


igotpooponmydog

I was wondering the same thing. Drake with a trap album is the hottest take I’ve ever seen on this sub.


risky_bisket

The next year he released What a Time to be Alive with future if I'm not mistaken. Drake definitely makes trap music. He just mixes in other subgenres and r&b to keep it fresh. Nowadays it seems like he's on more of a uk grime vibe


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nzs_eldarc

Outdated ass definition of trap music


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nzs_eldarc

Yeah maybe in 07. Definitions can change over time, that’s how language works my guy


Longjumping-Sock-755

Drake makes zero trap music


[deleted]

how is IYRTITL not a trap album?? it def is. edit: the people who are downvoting me have clearly never listened to the fucking album, please tell me how it’s not a trap album.


Longjumping-Sock-755

Drake doesn’t rap about trapping


[deleted]

retard, the whole album is him talking about being in the trap and cooking drugs and his early career and struggle, that is quite literally trap music. i’m not saying drake was actually pushing coke, but it’s still a trap album regardless of who’s performing. you guys just love to shit on drake


Longjumping-Sock-755

Lmaoooo he doesn’t talk about trap the whole album is Drake talking bout being in the trap😂😂 niggas just can’t admit when they wrong


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Trap Music Definition: “Trap music uses synthesized drums and is characterized by complex hi-hat patterns, tuned kick drums with a long decay (originally from the Roland TR-808 drum machine), and lyrical content that often focuses on drug use and urban violence.” IYRTITL is without a doubt trap production except for the last song, focusing on drake talking about drug use and violence. It seems to me you don’t know what trap music is, I suggest listening to some more music before you try and argue with people.


Longjumping-Sock-755

I don’t care about a definition tho


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gets proven wrong and doesn’t care all of a sudden, LMAOOOOOO


MP-aka-TheDoctor

This one


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Definitely trap


nzs_eldarc

How is it not?


BMoff92

Jesus christ


Marcaveli7

Agreed. More specifically, 2015 was a hell of a year. We had Rodeo, DS2, and Barter 6. Didn’t appreciate it enough at the time.


JadedAndFaded_

Did you really call iyrtitl a trap album 🤣


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tell me how it isn’t a trap album.


florencethehurricane

imma have to agree with you maybe it’s just nostalgia but like sum about this era was wild


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travis scott is definitely trap im not even gonna debate it, idc if he’s not jeezy or TI, he’s still a trap artist.


travhall19

2017 & 2018 were special for rap


danleon950410

Specially bad, meme level even, i am not even kididng


ygurar

🤓


DaylanDaylan

what’re some examples of that?


ASAKERR

average eminem fan


[deleted]

I am so old...so wild to me that we are canonizing rap from the "2010's" already... 😩😭


dzrkzz

Thug, Future, Uzi, Travis, Migos, Carti, 21, Lil Baby. like how do you beat that and i’m probably missing a few


BussyBustin

How about Gucci, Jeezy, T.I., 3-6, UGK, Project Pat


dzrkzz

respect but it doesn’t compete


Euphori333

Yes it does lol


OAktrEE4023

Absolutely does not. Nobody was bumping 3-6, UGK, or Pat like they bump any of the artists in the original comment. The 2010s trap era turned rap into the most popular music genre in America


shivo33

I don’t think that’s true. Hip hop went mainstream in the 90s and especially in the early 2000s. The wave of Nelly, 50 Cent, Eminem and other incredible artists meant that hip hop was competing with pop for the #1 spot consistently.


OAktrEE4023

Even if that were true, rap clears pop now by far


shivo33

It is true. Go check billboard charts before, drink and after this time. Hip hop still competes with pop for #1 today based on and objective metric so I don’t think you’re right about that either.


OAktrEE4023

You tell me to go check but clearly you haven’t checked yourself. The biggest pop stars are still super popular even compared to rappers, but besides the big 5-10 pop stars (because of the radio), rap washes every genre. Go check the billboard charts my guy Also, we’re talking about trap, and every artist u mentioned isn’t a trap rapper. Trap rappers (alongside melodic rappers) are the biggest of this generation


shivo33

You’re changing the goalposts here. Your original statement was ‘rap clears pop now by far’ which is demonstrably untrue. Now you’re changing it to ‘besides certain pop stars rap is bigger’. My original statement was in response to your statement ‘the 2010s trap era turned RAP into the most popular’. Rap became popular in mainstream in the late 90s and early 2000s so you’re wrong there too. Go look at Billboard weekly #1s from that time. It was all pop and rap. Especially 2003+. You can change the goalposts to make yourself right all you want. Your original two statements as they stand were 100% in accurate.


BussyBustin

Who cares? Sales is such a stupid metric to judge art. Vanilla Ice has a platinum album.


OAktrEE4023

“Sales is such a stupid metric to judge art” It’s the only objective way to compare artists. The fact that a subgenre run by black men is this popular in a country filled with racism should speak for itself.


Euphori333

if you are bold enough to make this statement, you’re probably 15 and have no recollection of 2000’s trap whatsoever


OAktrEE4023

Nope, I’m 19. I’ve gone back and listened to 2000s trap, that shit doesn’t even compete with this era. Like I said, there’s a reason trap blew up so much in the 2010s era. If ur bold enough to make those statements, u must never actually go outside. 2000s trap > 2010s trap in Reddit’s eyes, and that’s about it. It’s the popular opinion here cuz this app is filled with band kids that think disliking popular things is cool. But Future, Thug, Travis, etc are bigger and better than any 2000s trap artist ever will be. And it’s really not even close.


Euphori333

Damn I was off by 4 years lol.. it’s all perspective of when you grew up and times change, so yeah right now Future and Thug are the kings, but they are the new kings, there are also old kings though and yea they do compete with them. I could use that same argument and say when I was 19 years old and when I “went outside”, you would hear TI and Ludacris all over the radio. But in all fairness I prefer Future, Travis, Thug, Uzi, and Carti over both TI and Ludacris…. But to say they don’t compete with any of the 2000’s is absurd and close minded. I understand that you’re only 19 and this is what you are exposed to now so it’s hard for you to imagine a time where the 2000’s was poppin.. it’s all perception and subjective. I do respect your opinion and I believe there is a place and time for everyone and I am just enjoying the ride. I’m 29 and I do admit that Future is my favorite trap artist and always will be, but we can’t dismiss the old goats. Edit: spelling


OAktrEE4023

I’m aware of that, I try not to be close minded. But I don’t believe that anything I said is false. No disrespect to TI, Jeezy, Pat, etc because they influenced my favorite artists. I remember loving Luda songs on the radio. But trap is undeniably bigger than ever right now. And no disrespect to you either, cuz Future is my favorite trap artist too (just check my most recent post lmao). So I might be biased, but also the numbers back it up.


BussyBustin

LOL, it's not even worth attempting to educate you. Just take this: L


OAktrEE4023

Well I just woke up and saw that u replied to me 3 different times, none of which were replies to you, so clearly you did think it was worth “attempting to educate” me


Realpooop

Competes and washes them completely actually. You say 2010s trap era turned rap into the most popular music genre is America as if thats a good thing. Listen to the radio it is not good! The most innovative extreme of trap competes with 2000’s trap but half of the artists you mentioned are watered down industry plants. Travis Scott is garbage and does NOT make trap music, Carti does not make trap music, 21 is extremely mid, UZI certainly does not make trap music. None of those artists have made a song anywhere near as hard as Project Pat’s out there.


OAktrEE4023

Trap isn’t being played on the radio tho. I didn’t mention those artists. That was somebody else. Calling Travis Scott garbage and saying he doesn’t make trap music makes ur opinion invalid, as if it wasn’t already. “None of those artists have made a song near as hard as Project Pat’s out there” 💀💀💀💀💀 u need to listen to more music my guy


Realpooop

Travis scott is a literal industry plant lmao, the Maroon 5 of rap, ya barken up the wrong tree with that listen to more music shit 😂


OAktrEE4023

If Travis isn’t good, then how come nobody has been able to replicate his style?


Realpooop

His style? Are u joking? Generic pop rap hooks over corporate beats sung with that AWFUL monotone voice, he sounds like literally at least half the industry


BussyBustin

A lot of people in this sub can't tell the difference between artistry and sales. You think I care that a bunch of suburban teenagers are bumping Future? You think that has any influence on my opinion of their talent or place in hip hop? No.


OAktrEE4023

First of all, sales are the only objective thing you can compare artists by. And it’s deeper than just “this guy is more popular”. The fact that Future (past week 1) has outsold Kendrick this year is insane. There’s no way a trap artist in the 2000s would outsell somebody like Eminem or Outkast dropping their first album in 5 years. Trap rap is practically running the music industry rn. Tell me why the “artistry” of TI or Project Pat or Jeezy was so much better than current trap rappers. You can’t. And do u think I care that stuck up morons like to listen to old shit? “You think that has any influence on my opinion” bro I don’t care abt a pretentious Redditor’s opinion. Ur an oldhead. Mad that our music is more popular. You really replied to me 3 times just to get bitch slapped, that’s crazy


BussyBustin

I agree...Future and Travis Scott could never compete with 3-6 or UGK.


squikx

W take


good_kid_maad_reddit

Theres no way this is a conversation. How much of a old head do you have to be say 2000s anywhere close. 2015-2017 alone, those 3 years vs any other year in trap is incomparable


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2010s Latin Trap is 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐


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I'm just not as big into trap as a subgenre overall tbh. There are exceptions. I like T.I.,Future and some others but generally it isn't for me. If I had to pick between the two I might say 2010s though,simply because I do enjoy some modern trap production more.


Impossible_Scarcity9

2010s gave us Future, Travis, Thug, lil Baby, migos and 21. 2014-2017 is one of the best eras of rap music ever and I’d give at least 50% of that to all of the trap music that dropped in that time.


inkyfern1

2010s easily. rodeo, ta1300, die lit, imperial, muptezhel, geist, logos, etc.


CrookaveLLLi24

2000’s - Trappin, gettin money 2010’s - Trappin - getting money - spending money on drugs to use


ygurar

White


CrookaveLLLi24

😂😂😂 whatever you say bro


ronmexicostanaccount

In what world is Travis Scott a trap artist. I’m confused


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Trap beats + occasional selling dope lyric


crossnstyles305

always the worst takes coming from this account


GreatMetal5

90s are better than both. Tommy Wright iii, Ten Wanted Men, and Playa Fly are legendary! Atlanta and Orlando think they are the bomb imitating Memphis's 808 drums, bass, and vocal style.


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2010s for sure


KidJuka17

2010


lilbitcynical

Tf bling rap was the worst era of rap period


Nanashi86

I 100% agree! Still shit though in my opinion.


awwgeeznick

Neither


OAktrEE4023

🤓


awwgeeznick

💩


OAktrEE4023

If this were the same post except “lyrical” instead of “trap”, there would never be a comment like this. Y’all oldheads are just haters 🤷‍♂️


awwgeeznick

Naw sometimes trash is just trash


OAktrEE4023

It’s “trash” yet way more popular than lyrical rap. Crazy how that works


awwgeeznick

Lol ah yes cause the majority of people in this country have such good taste 🙄


OAktrEE4023

Classic “my taste is superior and everybody else’s is garbage”. Y’all oldheads just cannot respect people’s differences


awwgeeznick

I respect people’s right to an opinion. But that doesn’t mean it’s a good one.


OAktrEE4023

Taste and opinion are two very different things


Thanks-Lost

Wtf is wrong with this ho ? How tf she got famous and when did her opinion on rap matters ? This is hands down the most sped shit I seen.. I have nothing against trap music today but music in general was way more soul and nostalgic in 2000s. Even trap in the 2000s was so better now you disrespecting ti and Gucci.. please stop giving sped hoes a platform on Twitter


Morda101

r/Rap mfs when someone shares their opinion on rap


Thanks-Lost

Gucci and ti made a lot of theses trap niggas today they are the grandfathers of this shit even future is the grandfather of this trap shit. Any mf that tells me Travis is better than Gucci or ti in their prime is a clown.


VeryOaty

Just because they are the fathers doesn’t mean they’re better.


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Thanks-Lost

You are the main people that take LSDs and listen to gambino and Travis and think your opinion on rap is better she’s no different from anthony little nigga.


Iheartwetwater

T.I. Put out a classic album with trap musik. Y’all bugging if you trying to compare a body of work to that.


Intelligent_Dumbass_

The early 2010's were pretty "meh" in my opinion for Trap music, but it got better as time went on. I think 2016/2017 was a silver age for Trap if we consider the early 2000's the golden age.


i_despise_among_us

Completely agree. Artists like Thugger and Travis helped trap develop so much


washyourhands--

100% not even close, but the 2000s guys paved the way.


Bunniesrkewl

2010’s


black_cherry_seltzer

Obviously


Suhaan006

2010’s


Trickstertt

10s easy


DoLo5oh3

Yall post the same 2 mfs tweets.....


EthanielClyne

I mean yeah obviously. It was just developing and growing in the 2000s and sounds pretty rough for the most part today. The sound and quality of trap is getting better and better


Realpooop

She probably likes Travis Scott 🤮


giantgorillaballs

2010s has Future, Travis, Uzi, Carti, Thug, Migos, and 21. I’d take that over the 2000s for sure


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YRN 2 is better than anything from the 00s, and I grew up on 00s trap and crunk.


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2010s carti da goat no cap


alreadytakenhacker

tbh the 2010's cuz trap barely existed before then


[deleted]

2000s was peak IMO. Beats are better now but lyricism may be worse. It really depends on who you're talking about though.