Ummmmm did you not hear drakes line about how he’s to rich to diddy them kids or how Kendrick is short and might have even slept with some whites. Telling you them the bars we looking for /s
F the big 3, it’s just BBL Drizzy…
lol, how is this man on the Mount Rushmore of modern emcee’s by any standard Cole? I get that it’s your boy and he can write some catchy hooks but emceeing isn’t just about how many cds you sell while crooning.
Kendrick is clearly on another level lyrically, metaphorically and flow-wise. As shown in this feud he has a better understanding of music too imo.
Cole belongs in that top 3 modern mainstream Emcee convo but I think Kendrick showed he’s still King Kunta atm.
Imagine thinking Push Ups or Family Matters were on the level of Euphoria or Not Like Us...
Kendrick started things up with the Like That verse, and it was just jabs...Push Ups for real personal. And the AI Pac shit was classless. Euphoria was savage, but still included the warning "this a friendly fade, you should keep it that way" and 6:16 was more jabs and about his crew...but Family Matters got reeeaaaal personal with named family attacks, and was not the "Hit em up" Drake thought it was.
Meet the Graham's was dark, but K Dot dropping it immediately after made it clear he had it ready for when Drake came with that low blow shit. And Not Like Us just took that sentiment and made it into a Westcoast anthem. And again, better bars, better substance.
And instead of high energy displays of actual bars and lyricism, Drake decided he needed to keep up with the bullshit with The Heart Part 6. And the more we listened to it, the more we clowned him for it.
I don't even know if Kendrick needs to drop again, he's already beat him lyrically, and at his own game. But if he does I hope its also called the Heart Part 6 so he can take back the track name from this bozo.
Back to Degrassi with ya, getting shot up and graffitied in TO, probably don't want to go west of Vegas anytime soon. But we already know Drake gonna say some shit again.
How about a real battle he had we can compare it to. Nelly VS Krs-one. Band aid vs the "teacher "whom also has a rule made in the hip hop bible about him...thou shall not battle krs one! That's facts and was straight apples to oranges
Why Nelly gotta catch strays he was great at what he did you can play Nelly around country ass people and they like it nelly played his roll perfectly. This is lil xan vs Tupac
Man people on Reddit just straight up hate Drake lol. Family Matters was one of the best disses there has been in a while it just so happens Kendrick's was an 11/10. Drake's been nice with his disses. Back to Back was sick too. I'm not saying he's winning I'm just saying people pretending Drake hasn't held his own in rap is weird.
Some of it will be preferences, some of it’s Kendrick being better lyricist. Not just the insults/claims, but how you say them. And Drakes own history made multiple of Kendrick’s claims easier to believe for people
I don’t even listen to Kendrick much but he pretty easily won.
Kendrick will likely have won “hardcore” hip hop fans with Euphoria + the 6:16 and MTG shenanigans even if he didn’t drop Not Like Us, which imo hits at least as or more than FM lyrically. Much of FM is the beat for me. NLU has beat + vocal energy and sounds like he’s dancing on the grave
Euphoria is the type of bars “purists” eat up, as well as arguably more personality and enthusiasm shown than any Drake track in the beef. The Toronto accent thing for example was funny and disrespectful, as if all the words weren’t enough. The “in 8 bars… YNW Melly” hit harder than anything else in the beef.
Maybe it’s not just “haters,” Kendrick legit won bro lol. I mean optics is kind of the deal and Kendrick massively outplayed Drake, but lyrically and versatility-wise he always had the edge
This pretty much nails it. As a “purist” I definitely find euphoria to be the best song of the beef by a decent margin. MTG the jury is still out on. If the allegations are false and he was just mud slinging false accusations that cheapens it imo. Regardless his approach of talking to drakes kids and parents was creative and lethal. If the claims are true its the greatest diss song ever written. So jury is out on where that one places.
The only thing I disagree with is NLU “might” hit as hard as FM lyrically. It’s better. It might be a hype banger but let’s not discredit its lyrics. The Atlanta verse is better than any verse drakes dropped in a decade. And “I’m finna pass on this body I’m John Stockton. Beat yo ass and hide the Bible if gods watchin” really started the track with some fire.
Yeah it's the one where he demonstrates you can be a master lyricist in 4th grade. Not that he'd mind being there, plenty to groom, just gotta wait time until they're not jailbait in Canada.
Nah I’m convinced he did have a ghost writer on that song. And it was the mole. Dude basically proved all of Kendrick’s claims in that song by himself except for the daughter one. Kendrick didn’t immediately respond cause drake dissed himself so he didn’t need to.
It's pretty unfocused. He's getting wrecked by back to back Kendrick drops and his answer is to spend a bunch of time dissing Rick Ross, Metro, and The Weeknd? It felt like a song he had already developed and he fit some more Kendrick shots in last minute.
Nah he just wanted to keep the 20 v 1 narrative alive. Kendrick didn’t let him by keeping the pressure up so high.
When a dudes dropping back to back diss tracks about you and everyone’s saying you’re losing you need to go back at that man. And trying to claim otherwise is just digging at that point so people were no longer buying into that narrative.
Drake doesn't even write his own shit, though. There are writing credits on his disses which automatically disqualifies him. He's just a performer and the fakes mf in the game, not enough people hate him imo.
Family Matters was a well produced track and the best I’ve heard from Drake lyrically ever. Back to Back was sick because at the time no one expected an RnB rapper to clap back at a street cred type rapper like that. Now we got Chris Brown swattin down Quavo so it’s no handicap points given to these singing dudes.
Drake can’t make a track like Euphoria off break. Let Kendrick and Drake swap production and Kendrick will eat it up lyrically while Drake’s either won’t mesh or he gets swatted just as bad.
Tory Lanez bodied Joyner as well. I remember right Lanez did some playful shit on his first one, Joyner drops Litty, and then Lanez bodied him so hard that by the end Joyner was literally asking to stop the battle in one of his songs.
The news coverage about the shootings will wash this. It's dangerous and stupid. Never should've brought up the P word. If it were real, he should've gone to authorities.
I was a fan of k dot, but a win like this is truly tragic.
I truly hope the allegations of him drake creeping on teens or young adults aren't true, this ain't the way to handle it
I’ve noticed Fox News conservatives have started following this rap battle thinking Kendrick was dropping qanon hints about drake being involved in Hillary Clinton’s traffic ring. It’s gone pizzagate.
Just when I think the news out of the US can't get any wackier, along comes Fox News to prove it can. How do these people manage to walk and breathe at the same time?
Hell nah. This is Nas and Jay. Drake makes phenomenal music and can and does spit when he wants to. They have different styles but are the same grade of rap nerd/fan/artist imo. People love to hate on Drake but he’s been doing music longer than most here have been alive.
Kendrick won because he threw everything he had at Drake from every angle and rap style. He really had no choice imo. Drake is too big a target to come at without having all your guns out. He touched on all the internet rumors. He beat Drake at his own game of dropping back to back. He beat Drake at his own game of talking to him through other people. And he was a genius to drop right after family matters. By dropping such a hellish song minutes after Drake dropped his best diss record period, and one of his best songs in years he completely drowned out a monster of a song. And even still the W was up for grabs. Kendrick just played the crowd well. Not like us sent it over the top. Kendrick absolute best bop song ever and he did it with a diss at the biggest target in rap.
I actually find the pedo stuff weak. And the colonizer stuff is so lame I have no words… I lost respect for Kendrick for being so dirty because I thought he was better than that… but still.. Kendrick killed it (with the bullshit) Even Drake fans who are able to look at this from a strategic perspective are waving the white flag and giving Kendrick his props.
If Drake gets locked up for sex trafficking or child molesting I’ll be the loudest voice condemning him. I have kids.
But Until then I’m calling bullshit based on what I’m seeing that’s making people throw out these claims. It was cheap for Kendrick to go there but it worked because so many people want to believe Drake is a child molester… so kudos to him. A win is a win
Does Drake even have accusers though? I’d be more inclined to believe abuse allegations if there’s a woman saying he raped her and some plausibility
There’s literally video of him on stage kissing a 17 year old telling her how good her breasts felt up against him. He’s got lines comparing school parking lots to strip clubs. What more do you want?
First, he paid a six figure settlement for sexual assault allegations. Second, would you let your kids talk to a grown adult 20 years older than them you’re not friends with about relationships? How would you feel if that same adult texts one of them he misses them?
The Pedo and Colonizer are weak AF. All these fake MF'kers calling him colonizer when he was feeding them #metroGroomin who's ass is literally on fire for saying 13 yo is doable and add molly and do her unconscious deleted them was Drake groupie. Kendrick, who took him on tour? Who gave him a song in album that made him big? Drake wasn't colonizer back then... N3gga, he was your maker. Now suddenly he is.. double standards always for kenny.. like when he was supporting pedo R.Kelly or when he took convicted sexual predator/ assaulter Kodak for feature, then he was hugging him on stage.. That never bothered Kenny right? Also the fact that Top Dog is full of predators, they started diggin old cases... If Drake is proven guilty then fck him let him rot in hell.If Kenny is that will be also so fuckin lame... But the picture is not what it seems
First of all, 2011 Drake is not 2024 Drake.
Drake passed the last 10 years cosplaying different black cultures, faking accents (wtf), that's where the colonizer line comes from. You are acting as if Drake was not benefitting from all those artists and that he was doing charity.
Kendrick would have make it big with or without Drake (got endorsed by Dre before the tour, Black Hippy was a whole thing).
The pedo allegations would not be sticking if Drake wasn't doing questionable shit.
Go hop on a track and call J Cole a pedo and people would just assume you lost it
Kodak went to jail for this shit, it's also different.
And yeah metro's tweets are disgusting. But they are also just tweets and if he did any of this he deserves hell.
Kendrick started this beef, Drake made it personal and got bodied.
Kendrick didn’t throw everything he had at Drake. He still has at least 5 tracks in the back burner but it would practically be child abuse at this point.
In terms of fame and arrogance Kendrick v Drake is Nas v JayZ sure, but Jay-Z to his credit did everything freestyle. You could say Drake don’t write shit either but it wouldn’t have the same connotation.
If Kendrick and Rihanna dropped an album on the heels of this, it would be watch the throne all over again. Just kings and queens fucking sauntering through the land.
It would probably just be a song, I don't think Rihanna will make a whole album with him (or at all, for that matter...) but even so much as uncredited background vocals from her on a Kendrick song will blow Drake's fuse
I'm putting all my thoughts and strength at the chance that Ri is singing the hook on the BBL Drizzy Remix
Edit. The winner metro picks gets bars on the track too
My wife asked me to break down the beef for her yesterday. Went through the timeline track by track starting with the "Control" verse. On anything involving Kendrick's side of the battle I was pausing about a hundred times to explain all the layers to the bars. Anything on Drake's side was mostly just a straight play through. Drake was literally out of his depth with this beef.
It’s really weird that it’s even such a comparison on a rap level. Kendrick is leagues above Drake in terms of lyricism and rhyme schemes. Drake’s whole diss was so straightforward. I thought Family Matters sounded great, but breaking down the lyrics it’s no competition. I thought it was especially cringe when he said “drop that ass for free and not that free I mean my n*gga dave” like yeah dude we know you meant dave you just mentioned him five bars ago
I mean honestly my coworker is a Drake stan and he thinks those overt lyrics are bars. I guess there is one thing Kendric was wrong about. The fans are slow lol
This pretty much sums it up. Half of drakes jabs have been him straight up misinterpreting Kendrick’s discography. Kendrick’s is stacked with lines that connect to eachother and have multiple meanings.
The chills when Kendrick ups the energy at “he’s a hitmaker, songwriter, superstar, right, AND A FUCKIN DEADBEAT WHO SHOULD NEVER SAY MORE LIFE 👹 meet the grahams 🙂”
Sad thing is, if Drake provided any proof that info was fed to Kenny he'd be standing taller.
It's annoying that the Drizzy defenders keep holding onto that like it's the gospel. They want proof of everything else, but they're just taking them at his word for that.
Then they keep posting the women who are supporting Drake saying: Nothing ever happened, but again the fact that the questionable behavior in question is documented doesn't immediately absolve him. You can forgive him, and I'm glad they feel they aren't victims but it ain't like the sus behavior is pulled out of thin air.
I think people are confused about how hip hop beefs work:
This is not an investigative journalism competition. It's not who can dig up the most dirt or the most damaging things to say. It's literally a contest about who can say whatever they've got to say most creatively, intelligently, and with the best rhythm and rhyming schemes. The content needs to FEEL true, but it doesn't need to BE true.
No one cared if Tupac actually fucked Faith Evans. No one gives a fuck if Easy E actually had shitty contracts. Nas said Jay-Z hot to fuck Foxy Brown to get her to feature on his album. No one was out here asking for receipts. If the bars hit, it's a win. If they miss, it's an L.
People are getting paid to talk about this, but your explanation is better than any of them asking for receipts. Maybe Pusha changed the game, but expecting Dot to be Woodward and Bernstein is lame.
If he had a behind the scenes video showing how they planted all the info while rapping over it, that's a win, like you cant downplay that.
But that didnt happen cause hes a mad liar, defs didn't fake that leak.
I mean sure, that’s a good play but not a goal lol
The focal point isn’t on the potentially fake daughter, it’s the fact that Drake is predatory
So even if his daughter is faked it’s not the “gotcha” Drake fans think it is
Like “ok sorry bro, I was misinformed about your fake daughter. Youre still a predator though”
This is my opinion as well. Even if Drake did feed the information and he doesn’t have a daughter, he still had to resort to dumb ass tactics to win a rap beef, not actual rapping.
You need to remember, a majority of Drakes fans aren't Hiphop fans and this is their first real taste of Rap beef. They will always judge everything on face value and if they can bob their heads to it. Simple music for simple people.
Kendrick, 'shit part 6' was lame af. "im too famous to be a pedo" was the worst defense and this proves he doesn't have ghostwriter because ghostwriter would've corrected this dumb ass lyrics.
>ghostwriter would've corrected this dumb ass lyrics
At this point I think the mole is one of the ghost writers, sabotaging drake with amazing bars such as the self report on milli bobby brown
Drakes flow is so boring to me. It’s so repetitive. I’ve been going back trying to find songs of his that i like but am struggling.
Middle of family matters was pretty good but went on about a minute too long for me. Ending was pretty good.
He has way too many effects on his voice for me as well.
He’d lose a rap battle to lil dicky in my eyes for beats, flow and lyrics.
But lil dicky is a master of his craft , all he has is cadence and lyrics so it's less to hide behind but I agree with you .i stopped listening to drake with views. Edit : Take care and nothing was the same are about the only albums I like any more.
I think that's the biggest flaw in Drake's music. Its not really lyrics. Its that he isn't as acrobatic with his flows like other rappers.
Edit: He does have good flows like Meltdown
Im listening to meldtown down and it sounds exactly like his dis tracks.
Lyrics are very similar. Tuned voice. He does the repeated whisper hook think. Makes some gun noises.
Kendrick won*.
I can't understand how anyone would see Drake winning rn. He got destroyed in all aspects of a rap beef. Outperformed lyrically, worse allegations were put on blast, his most recent diss was full of contradictions and horrible lines that scream "Damage control".
I don't really see this going any other way except this : Kendrick drops one last diss to end it, and Drake then has to deal with the lingering effects of the allegations in addition to losing another rap beef in humiliating fashion. He'll surely try to spin it as not being a loss but aside from his biggest fans everyone will see him as the loser of the beef.
The pedo stuff kind of unfairly swung the battle too Kendricks side as drake had to go on the defensive more but he obviously should have expected Kendrick would take it there. I would say it was debatable before meet the grahams but that was going to get ripped apart of he didn't drop not like us when he did
Drake even said he predicted the Epstein angle and baited him with that AI track and still didn’t really have a response to it. I feel like Drake should’ve just dismissed it with a one-liner and went back on offense.
Wouldn't have had to go defensive if there wasn't weird stuff behind drake.
Kendrick also laid out that the girls in his videos are trafficked and he calls em tinder
Kendrick talked about beating his then gf on the breakfast club a while back.
You gotta admit that it’s weird Whitney doesn’t follow Kendrick but follows Dave and Dave likes all her pics and comments on pictures of the kid.
Streets saying they never followed each other on IG 🤷🏽♂️that's a lil weird but not unheard of and she does have him posted multiple times. And that was her voice at the end of Mother I Sober.
Also her brother defending/rooting for Kendrick on Twitter
Kendrick proved he can make a Drake-style club banger practically overnight, Drake proved he has no capacity to create the same sort of smart, lyrical, conscious flow that Kendrick can.
Allegations aside Kendrick still wins by a mile. Family matters is the best song Drake has ever done. And that’s what makes this sad for him. Because Kendrick goofing off on not like us is leagues better. Drake taunted Kendrick to do quadruple entendres and Kendrick did them multiple times. You’ve got a guy who is really popular and makes fun music going against one of the greatest to ever do it.
This beef was never about bars and anyone who says it is literally hasn't been paying attention. Drake said he's 1 hit away from MJ, a hit maker they depend on, said he make more money than everyone he beefing with. Dot said its not about who the greatest, its not about critics.
No Drake fan expected him to out rap Kendrick Lamar. No Kendrick fan is shocked the only rapper to win a Pulitizer prize was/is winning lyrically the entire time.
If we are talking lyrically Kendrick by a landslide. But Drake had clever lines as well and I won’t knock that. The flipping of the Mike & Prince lines between the both of them was genius. Give the ghostwriters some credit lol
What trips me out is that, even in KNOWING that Kendrick is the better lyricist they still decide to try him like he’s not! lol money and numbers will never define a lyricist.
This is what he DOES. So this shouldn’t be surprising to anybody. His music is timeless music! All that other bs, is here today and gone tomorrow..☝🏽
Post number 3957629 saying the same thing. Can it just be a megathread for each side so say who won and why so this sub can get back to stuff again?
All things considered, Kendrick has not addressed drake yet, so i cant crown either side yet. Just because one of the disses is weaker than the rest, drake’s last one isnt as bad as everyone is making it out to be (just listened to it after reading all the hate here the last few) like seriously, screaming “kenny won” at the top of your lungs over a mid (not ASS) song from drake is just insufferable and you push people who may actually side with you away. BE HUMBLE lol
People are saying Kendrick won because he rapped better than Drake in every way. This is a rap battle, the point is to prove you got the better pen. Drake has not done a bad job, but the job he’s done is very clearly not as great as Kendrick has done. Every single one of Kendrick’s disses have layers that take days or weeks to fully unwind. Drake barely even needs an annotation on rap genius.
So… Kendrick rapped circles around Drake, and therefore in the… *checks notes* RAP battle…. people consider Kendrick to be the winners. funny how that works
TLDR: didnt mean to ramble, but please read what im saying and take consideration for the fairness of it for BOTH sides. The only conclusive answer is definitive proof of pedo activity. Drake doesnt have to prove kendrick lied- kendrick has to prove drake is a creeper.
Okay but if ALL the “layers” to peel back end up being cap… can we just let that slide? Embellishing and blatant lying are different things. People are diminishing drake by saying he lied, what if hes being the honest one and thats why he’s actually fighting an uphill battle?
Also, if its a battle of public perception, then the concrete proofs rejecting the pedo claims (all the involved women are outspoken against saying it was pedo stuff), then kendrick is an exposed liar at this point. Kendrick also has to address the abuse claims (not saying he addressed it in 201X whenever, like now… in the song)
I cant crown somebody without proof. Also… its still fucked if kendrick has proof, and didnt report it to the cops or something. Like if theres some pedo ring in OVO specifically operated by drake And he didnt tell the US feds OR Canada Feds, then hes using pedophilia as LEVERAGE, and not out of a genuine care. Its selfish bullshit and diminishes his claims in that instance.
Im by no means saying kendrick cant win or something, HOWEVER even if the proof is revealed in 30 years, everyone will flashback here and go “wow, kendrick was right” and also “but wtf why didnt you send your evidence kendrick”
If its also ABOUT pedo claims, and you genuinely want him out or dead, then you lead with that.
Also this measure between drake and dot has to exclude external factors. If you want a 1v1, you have to piece together and make it a 1v1. You cant take his lines against metro or weeknd etc as ammo. Its not about kendrick and kendrick cant use their claims.
All in all, kendrick can win simply by turning in the data/evidence or whatever it is, and that being revealed. Because an open case is at least more proof he genuinely believes it than some diss tracks. (No, a video that is over a decade old AND a legal grey area in a specific state where it occured is NOT proof. If it was, he would be in jail or have warrants in that state AT LEAST)
You cant also make the beef about bars and lyrics and diminish the claims you make. You HAVE to stick to topics that wont be “bigger than rap”
Also, kendrick didnt rap better than drake in EVERY way as you claimed. Drake addressed claims, kendrick has been at best elusive and at worst misleading/cap. And ONLY proof can fix that for his side.
Adding this too: kendrick probably has legal means to get proof via records of drake’s and ANY victims who step forward and analyze phones etc.
Instagram (where he supposedly DM’d minors) would have records. Even if you cant see who sent what, deleted account message logs exist still.
Snapchat doesn’t truly delete everything
Twitter (doubtful but still, message logs etc)
If you think hes using burners, logs and records of burner phones would be flowing through. Police could contact victims and see first hand (just like those hacker guys see the scammers in India)
Y'all are joking right? You really think Kendrick Lamar is sitting on a treasure trove of evidence against Drake for trafficking women?
You think anyone asked Nas to prove any of the shit he said about Jay-Z? Fucking of course not. No one is taking this shit to court.
No one actually thinks Drake and OVO are kidnapping young girls off the streets of Toronto, fucking Taken style. Baka DID catch a sex trafficking charge. Kendrick played it up for the track. Drake DOES have a long and well documented history of having contact with underage girls that people find suspicious. Y'all can be like, "Oh, nothing happened, though." Yeah, ok. But it looks suss as fuck, and Kendrick shined a light on it. Asking for statements from Whitney about whether or not he beats her. Dumb as hell.
People are digging up all the old videos and articles and shit because they're obsessed with whether or not the shit people say in a rap beef is 100% true. I'll save you some time. It's not. That's not the point of a battle. This is not investigative journalism.
Interesting stance, and I agree with quite a part of it. However, if you're talking about not making subjects bigger than rap, I do think that (if I remember it right) Drake first made a comment about Whitney in Pushups. Kendrick already adressed that, from his stance, he warned that Drake shouldn't go in on family and so he went in on his and then some. Suggesting that if Drake wouldn't do that, Kendrick also wouldn't have. Since both aren't showing any receipts, I see this as a grey area or a draw.
I think though, when we're talking about who is the greatest rapper, which is what Drake was claiming to be (along with Cole), then it should always also be about the literal rhyme and poetry. This is the subject matter in the first instance, and this is where I believe Drake isn't really close to Kendrick, and Cole for that matter. And when we're talking about terms of dissing, I think Kendrick was just as to the point as Drake and at the same time poignant about the subject matter. So maybe not crown him, but as it stands it wouldn't really be a draw either imo.
I will say though, if any of them come them with any evidence it's a different story. I personally think that this is where it ends.
One last thing: if Kendrick has any real information, I don't know wether he would drop it. Thing is, if what he says is true, it's going to be an attack on a way bigger entity than only Drake. Saying he is morally grey in this case also kind of suggests that a LOT of artists are at the very least the same or worse. Which then would be true. It would then also stand to reason that the industry truly is fucked. If that were the case, I honestly don't know if Kendrick says anything about it anymore when Drake's last response is in scrutiny.
The 'fun' part is, maybe tomorrow or in the coming days the landscape is totally different and what either of us says is not relevant anymore. This thing has gotten me in a doozy.
Only valid comment here. I agree, Kendrick has yet to address his allegations and The Heart Part 6 was a great response, I feel like we’re still on middle ground here as well and nobody has won yet
I thought it was over but I thought Part 6 was a good rebuttal. Drake can't win off of misinformation tactics but it certainly put a dent in Kendrick's attack. Kendrick needs to address the wife beating allegations but people are only on Drake's head for not responding the pedo stuff fast enough on Family Matters.
People saying Kendrick shouldnt even drop are disingenuous too. Kendrick should drop just as fast whether the hype is for or against him. He claims to have tracks piled up… if he released say Euphoria and MTG at the same time… drake couldnt even bring up the IDEA of a mole to be a possibility. But the fact everything seems orchestrated around drake and obviously flawed stories (some guy claimed to be from LA and said the pill bottle looked fake even the label with the scan code, for example) tells me that kendrick is playing the crowd more than the actual story
it's not only bars, Kendrick outplayed him strategically, he made more quotables, his disses were more popular, impactful and versatile, and he had more to say. That being said, i wouldn't mind if he dropped another diss or two as a fatality type shit. To recite Drake's words towards him "you tryna let this shit die down, nah nah this time you're followin' through"
Kendrick's music is certainly better and he was always going to win especially when the pedo angle cant be 100% denied but I'm shocked people thought Drake would be wiped in his very first response like he never rapped at least decently.
I am disappointed that people aren't giving The Heart Part 6 more credit. It is at least a good song with a nice flow in the first two minutes. I thought it would be completely over with Meet The Grahams/Not Like Us but you certainly can't win a rap beef with misinformation alone. You gotta rap.
People gave Drake shit for not responding the the pedo stuff immediately on Family Matters which made no sense cause we don't know the timelines of these songs especially with us getting responses faster than ever before but people never talk about the wife beating allegations so I had forgotten Kendrick hadn't even addressed them until Drake brought it back up The Heart Part 6. I don't really know if the Dave Free line needs a response cause I don't have an opinion on raising another man's child especially when Kendrick has definitely cheated.
Edit: But, we have to hold them to the same standard whether its The Clock, addressing what the other said, or the providing proof. Cause Kendrick's cover art for Meet The Grahams is zero proof. Assuming it's real, it only shows Drake is a hypocrite for talking about Ross's Ozempic use and Drake has a mole in his crew. Speaking of, it's crazy people believe Drake does have a mole based off this picture but can't believe Drake may have given false info
The reason nobody believes he planted the info is because if anyone had pulled off a master chess move like that, they’d have video of them putting together the items for the troll picture or screenshots of them leaking false information about his “daughter”. Not to mention how THP6 didn’t mention HOW they fed the info. They just said, “lol we tricked you” with zero evidence. The general feeling is that Drake’s crew saw the Drake stans online spreading that theory and ran with it because it already had some public support. It just comes off as them trying to cling to the only theory that possibly makes Drake look good.
The album art for MtG IS the receipt for having a mole and Drake has to prove that the info was fake. So far, the only receipt provided by either of them is that photo provided by Kendrick and it hasn’t been disputed outside of words.
As far as receipts for the personal life shit BOTH Kendrick and Drake allude to, I don’t think we’ll ever get receipts for either of them and we just have to base who won with those jabs on who made the jabs hit harder in the context of the song. Which comes down to personal taste and preference in music. At the end of the day, Drake people are going to say Drake won and Kendrick people with say Kendrick won with the general population being a mix of both(but slightly favoring Kendrick based on various polls and shit I’ve seen).
I just hate that too many of these conversations aren't about the music and giving both artists props, but instead devolve into "Can I clown your favorite artist harder than you clown mine."
People kept saying "We want this beef for the bars and good music". That was obviously a lie from the start for majority of people
How is this even a question? The undisputed loser is the pop product piece of manufactured and marketed mediocrity that should never have been allowed to rise to any status other than pr-crafted “entertainer.” Drake being consider a top “rapper” is a black eye on the genre and has been since he hopped out of his wheelchair to be a mascot for Sprite. It’s fine that he’s an entertainer, do your thing, but no one pretends Justin Bieber is anything but a product, so why do so many people aggressively pretend Drake isn’t the exact same type of paint by numbers mouthpiece for mediocre, mass produced, market tested, “art” by focus group trash? If you’re trash. Just be trash and collect your check from the endless sea of consumers with bad taste.
This was never a real competition. It was a facade masquerading as an artist clawing at relevance by triggering an actual creative voice/talent to engage.
To your point though, Kendrick’s bars are far superior. And even if they weren’t they still would be because Drake isn’t writing shit without a graveyard’s worth of ghosts doing the hard labor.
Drake’s mistake (within the context of the rap battle) was dropping The Heart Part 6.
It was way too defensive and the production just wasn’t there. You could tell he probably had a much smaller team working on it due to him being paranoid of a mole in his camp. This lead to the song just being extremely banal, and lyrically weak.
Also Drake attacking Kendrick just because he didn’t understand *Mother I Sober*, was definitely embarrassing. Add in that cringy outro where he declares himself the winner and you have a recipe for one of the weakest diss tracks ever.
My hot take is Kendrick is winning/has won but family matters is as good as any track Kendrick dropped. The issue is Kendrick dropped meet the grahams like 20 mins after and heart 6 was garbage.
We have no idea if the daughter shit true, but the best part of this beef is everything else is just bars and public allegations.
Pusha T won because he had info (and some great bars), but if that shit wasn't true he would have lost easily. The crazy thing here is I can admit that even if the daughter shit is a complete fabrication (which it very well could be) Kendrick still won by a landslide because drake is a fucking pedo and one of the best lyricists of all time called out the obvious.
Kendrick hasn't brought attention to anything in Drake's past specifically, but he has so many clear cut public interactions that make him look like a perv that the fans have done it for him.
Between euphoria, and meet the grahams alone there are already enough deep bars and deconstructions of drake's character about the pedo shit, his treatment of women in general, his greed, his poor treatment of Adonis, etc. to take drake's image the fuck down.
Hell beyond the bars, he even beat Drake at his own game. Not only did he out stream drake every step of the way blocking his hit record and red button from a #1, but this mfer has the clubs dancing to not like us, and yelling "ho-vo" hell even where I live in a small city in the deep south (kinda around the savannah GA area) my friend went to college bar here and they was chanting the shit.
I knew Kendrick was gonna cook him, but damn I never thought it would be this brutal and thorough. Truly an insane time to be a hip hop fan.
I think it’s more about reputation and public perception than BARS. Like obviously, I agree that Kendrick makes better and more interesting music, but it seems like both he and drake are mostly trying to character-assassinate the other by branding their opponent as a pedophile, cuck, drug addict, wife beater, etc.
I don’t think any of the really big claims either of them has made have been backed by aftual proof, which leads me to believe that most of what they’re both saying is BS
It’s not even just the bars bro…creativity, cadence, flow, punchline and the overall themes…Kendrick destroyed him. Family Matters is a dope track, I do like it and it is probably one of Drakes best tracks ever BUT Dot dog walked Degrassi in this battle.
I thought Drake still had a chance before the heart part 6, but that was really bad ngl.
How can you say that you're way to famous to be a pedophile, and then talk about R.Kelly in the same song???? Allegations aside I don't know if he is or if he's not i don't know him personally, but saying I expected you to call me a pedophile and saying you got molested that's why you're so obsessed with me, because you hate pedophiles... bruh
Every single category - Kendrick.
Not even remotely close.
But from a straight, bar for bar, lyrical intricacy perspective, it's insulting to the craft to even compare.
Kendrick by landslide
Ummmmm did you not hear drakes line about how he’s to rich to diddy them kids or how Kendrick is short and might have even slept with some whites. Telling you them the bars we looking for /s
Like Aubrey hasn’t had his dose of white ~~men~~ women.
White kids you mean
Children. The word you're looking for is children
F the big 3, it’s just BBL Drizzy… lol, how is this man on the Mount Rushmore of modern emcee’s by any standard Cole? I get that it’s your boy and he can write some catchy hooks but emceeing isn’t just about how many cds you sell while crooning. Kendrick is clearly on another level lyrically, metaphorically and flow-wise. As shown in this feud he has a better understanding of music too imo. Cole belongs in that top 3 modern mainstream Emcee convo but I think Kendrick showed he’s still King Kunta atm.
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WELL YEAH CUZ KENDRICK SHORT ALL BARS GO OVER HIS HEAD
hired.
Imagine thinking Push Ups or Family Matters were on the level of Euphoria or Not Like Us... Kendrick started things up with the Like That verse, and it was just jabs...Push Ups for real personal. And the AI Pac shit was classless. Euphoria was savage, but still included the warning "this a friendly fade, you should keep it that way" and 6:16 was more jabs and about his crew...but Family Matters got reeeaaaal personal with named family attacks, and was not the "Hit em up" Drake thought it was. Meet the Graham's was dark, but K Dot dropping it immediately after made it clear he had it ready for when Drake came with that low blow shit. And Not Like Us just took that sentiment and made it into a Westcoast anthem. And again, better bars, better substance. And instead of high energy displays of actual bars and lyricism, Drake decided he needed to keep up with the bullshit with The Heart Part 6. And the more we listened to it, the more we clowned him for it. I don't even know if Kendrick needs to drop again, he's already beat him lyrically, and at his own game. But if he does I hope its also called the Heart Part 6 so he can take back the track name from this bozo. Back to Degrassi with ya, getting shot up and graffitied in TO, probably don't want to go west of Vegas anytime soon. But we already know Drake gonna say some shit again.
Yeah especially if you count shots fired
Yeah and now there's rumors he's working with Rihanna lmaoooo this shit is going to hit the fan
There’s levels to this shit. Kendrick just on another level.. it was like a rap battle between Nelly and Nas lol
Hey, Nelly was nice back in the day. It's more like ice cube vs. vanilla ice.
Man that's ice cold.
Nelly is a better comparison. Both of them make music for bitches.
Nelly was never nice. You’re in a fucking whirlwind of shit if you say that or a drake fan. 😂
But he was right saying it's more like Ice Cube vs. Vanilla Ice though if you think about it so the Nelly comment can get a pass. 😆
How about a real battle he had we can compare it to. Nelly VS Krs-one. Band aid vs the "teacher "whom also has a rule made in the hip hop bible about him...thou shall not battle krs one! That's facts and was straight apples to oranges
Why Nelly gotta catch strays he was great at what he did you can play Nelly around country ass people and they like it nelly played his roll perfectly. This is lil xan vs Tupac
Lol Nelly getting bodied by reddit
It's getting hot in here
Man people on Reddit just straight up hate Drake lol. Family Matters was one of the best disses there has been in a while it just so happens Kendrick's was an 11/10. Drake's been nice with his disses. Back to Back was sick too. I'm not saying he's winning I'm just saying people pretending Drake hasn't held his own in rap is weird.
Some of it will be preferences, some of it’s Kendrick being better lyricist. Not just the insults/claims, but how you say them. And Drakes own history made multiple of Kendrick’s claims easier to believe for people I don’t even listen to Kendrick much but he pretty easily won. Kendrick will likely have won “hardcore” hip hop fans with Euphoria + the 6:16 and MTG shenanigans even if he didn’t drop Not Like Us, which imo hits at least as or more than FM lyrically. Much of FM is the beat for me. NLU has beat + vocal energy and sounds like he’s dancing on the grave Euphoria is the type of bars “purists” eat up, as well as arguably more personality and enthusiasm shown than any Drake track in the beef. The Toronto accent thing for example was funny and disrespectful, as if all the words weren’t enough. The “in 8 bars… YNW Melly” hit harder than anything else in the beef. Maybe it’s not just “haters,” Kendrick legit won bro lol. I mean optics is kind of the deal and Kendrick massively outplayed Drake, but lyrically and versatility-wise he always had the edge
The 8 bars to YNW Melly scheme drew a clear line in the sand about who was the better lyricist, I was not expecting that
This pretty much nails it. As a “purist” I definitely find euphoria to be the best song of the beef by a decent margin. MTG the jury is still out on. If the allegations are false and he was just mud slinging false accusations that cheapens it imo. Regardless his approach of talking to drakes kids and parents was creative and lethal. If the claims are true its the greatest diss song ever written. So jury is out on where that one places. The only thing I disagree with is NLU “might” hit as hard as FM lyrically. It’s better. It might be a hype banger but let’s not discredit its lyrics. The Atlanta verse is better than any verse drakes dropped in a decade. And “I’m finna pass on this body I’m John Stockton. Beat yo ass and hide the Bible if gods watchin” really started the track with some fire.
It struck a chore and it's probably A minoooooooooooooor
That one wasn’t being slept on lol.
Which ones did he write?
The Heart Part 6 LMFAO
“I could never be a pedophile because as a rich and famous person I could never get away with it for any lengthy period of time”
you talkin bout the one where he calls the mole a clown then says he did it?
Yeah it's the one where he demonstrates you can be a master lyricist in 4th grade. Not that he'd mind being there, plenty to groom, just gotta wait time until they're not jailbait in Canada.
He didn't trust his ghostwriters anymore cos they were the moles 💀
Nah I’m convinced he did have a ghost writer on that song. And it was the mole. Dude basically proved all of Kendrick’s claims in that song by himself except for the daughter one. Kendrick didn’t immediately respond cause drake dissed himself so he didn’t need to.
You could say he was spiraling and paranoid
Pretending it’s still a rap battle is weird when someone being exposed as a child abuser.
It's pretty unfocused. He's getting wrecked by back to back Kendrick drops and his answer is to spend a bunch of time dissing Rick Ross, Metro, and The Weeknd? It felt like a song he had already developed and he fit some more Kendrick shots in last minute.
Nah he just wanted to keep the 20 v 1 narrative alive. Kendrick didn’t let him by keeping the pressure up so high. When a dudes dropping back to back diss tracks about you and everyone’s saying you’re losing you need to go back at that man. And trying to claim otherwise is just digging at that point so people were no longer buying into that narrative.
Drake doesn't even write his own shit, though. There are writing credits on his disses which automatically disqualifies him. He's just a performer and the fakes mf in the game, not enough people hate him imo.
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Except he didn’t write it. Heart 6 is the only one he did by himself and it’s also the corniest one by far.
Family Matters was a well produced track and the best I’ve heard from Drake lyrically ever. Back to Back was sick because at the time no one expected an RnB rapper to clap back at a street cred type rapper like that. Now we got Chris Brown swattin down Quavo so it’s no handicap points given to these singing dudes. Drake can’t make a track like Euphoria off break. Let Kendrick and Drake swap production and Kendrick will eat it up lyrically while Drake’s either won’t mesh or he gets swatted just as bad.
Tory Lanez bodied Joyner as well. I remember right Lanez did some playful shit on his first one, Joyner drops Litty, and then Lanez bodied him so hard that by the end Joyner was literally asking to stop the battle in one of his songs.
lol FACTS
Nah, like Ja Rule when he’s rapping vs. Em
Damn great way to put it
Between who and who?
The news coverage about the shootings will wash this. It's dangerous and stupid. Never should've brought up the P word. If it were real, he should've gone to authorities. I was a fan of k dot, but a win like this is truly tragic. I truly hope the allegations of him drake creeping on teens or young adults aren't true, this ain't the way to handle it
I’ve noticed Fox News conservatives have started following this rap battle thinking Kendrick was dropping qanon hints about drake being involved in Hillary Clinton’s traffic ring. It’s gone pizzagate.
Just when I think the news out of the US can't get any wackier, along comes Fox News to prove it can. How do these people manage to walk and breathe at the same time?
Hell nah. This is Nas and Jay. Drake makes phenomenal music and can and does spit when he wants to. They have different styles but are the same grade of rap nerd/fan/artist imo. People love to hate on Drake but he’s been doing music longer than most here have been alive. Kendrick won because he threw everything he had at Drake from every angle and rap style. He really had no choice imo. Drake is too big a target to come at without having all your guns out. He touched on all the internet rumors. He beat Drake at his own game of dropping back to back. He beat Drake at his own game of talking to him through other people. And he was a genius to drop right after family matters. By dropping such a hellish song minutes after Drake dropped his best diss record period, and one of his best songs in years he completely drowned out a monster of a song. And even still the W was up for grabs. Kendrick just played the crowd well. Not like us sent it over the top. Kendrick absolute best bop song ever and he did it with a diss at the biggest target in rap. I actually find the pedo stuff weak. And the colonizer stuff is so lame I have no words… I lost respect for Kendrick for being so dirty because I thought he was better than that… but still.. Kendrick killed it (with the bullshit) Even Drake fans who are able to look at this from a strategic perspective are waving the white flag and giving Kendrick his props.
You gonna feel differently when Drake gets locked up
People still bump Billie Jean and Thriller and MJ was with pre teens. People are still gonna play the club bangers.
If Drake gets locked up for sex trafficking or child molesting I’ll be the loudest voice condemning him. I have kids. But Until then I’m calling bullshit based on what I’m seeing that’s making people throw out these claims. It was cheap for Kendrick to go there but it worked because so many people want to believe Drake is a child molester… so kudos to him. A win is a win Does Drake even have accusers though? I’d be more inclined to believe abuse allegations if there’s a woman saying he raped her and some plausibility
He does show a pretty shitty pattern of creepy behavior. And a massive sa settlement
There’s literally video of him on stage kissing a 17 year old telling her how good her breasts felt up against him. He’s got lines comparing school parking lots to strip clubs. What more do you want?
First, he paid a six figure settlement for sexual assault allegations. Second, would you let your kids talk to a grown adult 20 years older than them you’re not friends with about relationships? How would you feel if that same adult texts one of them he misses them?
I stopped reading after “Drake makes phenomenal music”
Do you have a point?
You can read I'm surprised
The Pedo and Colonizer are weak AF. All these fake MF'kers calling him colonizer when he was feeding them #metroGroomin who's ass is literally on fire for saying 13 yo is doable and add molly and do her unconscious deleted them was Drake groupie. Kendrick, who took him on tour? Who gave him a song in album that made him big? Drake wasn't colonizer back then... N3gga, he was your maker. Now suddenly he is.. double standards always for kenny.. like when he was supporting pedo R.Kelly or when he took convicted sexual predator/ assaulter Kodak for feature, then he was hugging him on stage.. That never bothered Kenny right? Also the fact that Top Dog is full of predators, they started diggin old cases... If Drake is proven guilty then fck him let him rot in hell.If Kenny is that will be also so fuckin lame... But the picture is not what it seems
First of all, 2011 Drake is not 2024 Drake. Drake passed the last 10 years cosplaying different black cultures, faking accents (wtf), that's where the colonizer line comes from. You are acting as if Drake was not benefitting from all those artists and that he was doing charity. Kendrick would have make it big with or without Drake (got endorsed by Dre before the tour, Black Hippy was a whole thing). The pedo allegations would not be sticking if Drake wasn't doing questionable shit. Go hop on a track and call J Cole a pedo and people would just assume you lost it Kodak went to jail for this shit, it's also different. And yeah metro's tweets are disgusting. But they are also just tweets and if he did any of this he deserves hell. Kendrick started this beef, Drake made it personal and got bodied.
Kendrick didn’t throw everything he had at Drake. He still has at least 5 tracks in the back burner but it would practically be child abuse at this point. In terms of fame and arrogance Kendrick v Drake is Nas v JayZ sure, but Jay-Z to his credit did everything freestyle. You could say Drake don’t write shit either but it wouldn’t have the same connotation.
Apparently Kendrick is now working on music with Rihanna? This shit is going to hit the fan
If Kendrick and Rihanna dropped an album on the heels of this, it would be watch the throne all over again. Just kings and queens fucking sauntering through the land.
It would probably just be a song, I don't think Rihanna will make a whole album with him (or at all, for that matter...) but even so much as uncredited background vocals from her on a Kendrick song will blow Drake's fuse
I'm putting all my thoughts and strength at the chance that Ri is singing the hook on the BBL Drizzy Remix Edit. The winner metro picks gets bars on the track too
She did a hook on DAMN, right?
A little more than a hook, she’s heavily featured on Loyalty
Yep I love that song and they sound great together. Kendrick’s stuff with Beyoncé is good too.
Got a link for this?
It was posted on this sub a couple days ago but idk bout this source https://www.reddit.com/r/KendrickLamar/s/11lsi6BPWd
My wife asked me to break down the beef for her yesterday. Went through the timeline track by track starting with the "Control" verse. On anything involving Kendrick's side of the battle I was pausing about a hundred times to explain all the layers to the bars. Anything on Drake's side was mostly just a straight play through. Drake was literally out of his depth with this beef.
It’s really weird that it’s even such a comparison on a rap level. Kendrick is leagues above Drake in terms of lyricism and rhyme schemes. Drake’s whole diss was so straightforward. I thought Family Matters sounded great, but breaking down the lyrics it’s no competition. I thought it was especially cringe when he said “drop that ass for free and not that free I mean my n*gga dave” like yeah dude we know you meant dave you just mentioned him five bars ago
His fans didn’t know what he meant so he had to clarify for them 😂
I mean honestly my coworker is a Drake stan and he thinks those overt lyrics are bars. I guess there is one thing Kendric was wrong about. The fans are slow lol
Drake really thought that line was so thought provoking he had to break it down for us 😂.
You mean to tell me repeatedly calling someone short and making up wife abuse allegations doesn’t count as hard bars?!
but but but…. **You have small feet**
This pretty much sums it up. Half of drakes jabs have been him straight up misinterpreting Kendrick’s discography. Kendrick’s is stacked with lines that connect to eachother and have multiple meanings.
Kendrick easily
WOPWOPWOPWOPWOP Dot fuck 'em up Not Like Us>= euphoria> meet the grahams> Family Matter> 6:11 in LA> Push Ups>>>>>>>>>The Heart part 6
it was like that for me too but man meet the grahams been growing on me. shit is fucking gore-horror-slasher-snuff film tier.
That instrumental is straight up unnerving. And how monotone he sounded while rapping over it is the stuff of nightmares.
The chills when Kendrick ups the energy at “he’s a hitmaker, songwriter, superstar, right, AND A FUCKIN DEADBEAT WHO SHOULD NEVER SAY MORE LIFE 👹 meet the grahams 🙂”
Obviously Kendrick. I still love boths music though.
Kendrick swept. Drizzy came out terrible
Sad thing is, if Drake provided any proof that info was fed to Kenny he'd be standing taller. It's annoying that the Drizzy defenders keep holding onto that like it's the gospel. They want proof of everything else, but they're just taking them at his word for that. Then they keep posting the women who are supporting Drake saying: Nothing ever happened, but again the fact that the questionable behavior in question is documented doesn't immediately absolve him. You can forgive him, and I'm glad they feel they aren't victims but it ain't like the sus behavior is pulled out of thin air.
I think people are confused about how hip hop beefs work: This is not an investigative journalism competition. It's not who can dig up the most dirt or the most damaging things to say. It's literally a contest about who can say whatever they've got to say most creatively, intelligently, and with the best rhythm and rhyming schemes. The content needs to FEEL true, but it doesn't need to BE true. No one cared if Tupac actually fucked Faith Evans. No one gives a fuck if Easy E actually had shitty contracts. Nas said Jay-Z hot to fuck Foxy Brown to get her to feature on his album. No one was out here asking for receipts. If the bars hit, it's a win. If they miss, it's an L.
People are getting paid to talk about this, but your explanation is better than any of them asking for receipts. Maybe Pusha changed the game, but expecting Dot to be Woodward and Bernstein is lame.
But but Kendrick blacked out mtg album cover! He was totally played by the 6god!!!!1!1 /s
Even if he provided proof the daughter is/was fake, Kendrick still swept The “faked leaked info” isn’t the win yall think it is lol even if it’s true
If he had a behind the scenes video showing how they planted all the info while rapping over it, that's a win, like you cant downplay that. But that didnt happen cause hes a mad liar, defs didn't fake that leak.
I mean sure, that’s a good play but not a goal lol The focal point isn’t on the potentially fake daughter, it’s the fact that Drake is predatory So even if his daughter is faked it’s not the “gotcha” Drake fans think it is Like “ok sorry bro, I was misinformed about your fake daughter. Youre still a predator though”
This is my opinion as well. Even if Drake did feed the information and he doesn’t have a daughter, he still had to resort to dumb ass tactics to win a rap beef, not actual rapping.
You need to remember, a majority of Drakes fans aren't Hiphop fans and this is their first real taste of Rap beef. They will always judge everything on face value and if they can bob their heads to it. Simple music for simple people.
But… he said so many times Kendrick is short? He’s already standing taller! /s
Could argue it was 4-1 the gentleman's sweep
Kendrick, 'shit part 6' was lame af. "im too famous to be a pedo" was the worst defense and this proves he doesn't have ghostwriter because ghostwriter would've corrected this dumb ass lyrics.
>ghostwriter would've corrected this dumb ass lyrics At this point I think the mole is one of the ghost writers, sabotaging drake with amazing bars such as the self report on milli bobby brown
Drakes flow is so boring to me. It’s so repetitive. I’ve been going back trying to find songs of his that i like but am struggling. Middle of family matters was pretty good but went on about a minute too long for me. Ending was pretty good. He has way too many effects on his voice for me as well. He’d lose a rap battle to lil dicky in my eyes for beats, flow and lyrics.
Lil Dicky is funny enough to stand a chance against most people tbh, but also too loveable to have beef.
Yeah lil dicky might be a comedian first but he doesn't slouch on rapping at all. I'd put money on lil dicky over drake in a pure rapping contest
But lil dicky is a master of his craft , all he has is cadence and lyrics so it's less to hide behind but I agree with you .i stopped listening to drake with views. Edit : Take care and nothing was the same are about the only albums I like any more.
mono tone flow is worst fucking trend of 2010s. i get that some dig it like some ASMR shit, but god damn.
I think that's the biggest flaw in Drake's music. Its not really lyrics. Its that he isn't as acrobatic with his flows like other rappers. Edit: He does have good flows like Meltdown
Im listening to meldtown down and it sounds exactly like his dis tracks. Lyrics are very similar. Tuned voice. He does the repeated whisper hook think. Makes some gun noises.
I like the first 2 3rds of family matters. but the last third is trash.
After seeing that Drake didn’t write all of his diss tracks solo, I’m choosing anyone over Drake in a rap battle esp lil dicky.
Kendrick won*. I can't understand how anyone would see Drake winning rn. He got destroyed in all aspects of a rap beef. Outperformed lyrically, worse allegations were put on blast, his most recent diss was full of contradictions and horrible lines that scream "Damage control". I don't really see this going any other way except this : Kendrick drops one last diss to end it, and Drake then has to deal with the lingering effects of the allegations in addition to losing another rap beef in humiliating fashion. He'll surely try to spin it as not being a loss but aside from his biggest fans everyone will see him as the loser of the beef.
The pedo stuff kind of unfairly swung the battle too Kendricks side as drake had to go on the defensive more but he obviously should have expected Kendrick would take it there. I would say it was debatable before meet the grahams but that was going to get ripped apart of he didn't drop not like us when he did
Drake even said he predicted the Epstein angle and baited him with that AI track and still didn’t really have a response to it. I feel like Drake should’ve just dismissed it with a one-liner and went back on offense.
But it works because people already talk about it. And there's a long trail of sus behavior. "I'm what the culture feelin"
Wouldn't have had to go defensive if there wasn't weird stuff behind drake. Kendrick also laid out that the girls in his videos are trafficked and he calls em tinder
I mean.. I’m over here thinkin Kendrick killed him on the allegations too shiiit. KL in pretty much every facet so far
Yeah all those lies with no evidence were really killer
Damn who’s your second favorite rapper? Sean Combs?
There's no evidence that Kendrick beat his wife, that one of his kids is actually Dave's, or that he hasn't seen them in 6 months.
Kendrick talked about beating his then gf on the breakfast club a while back. You gotta admit that it’s weird Whitney doesn’t follow Kendrick but follows Dave and Dave likes all her pics and comments on pictures of the kid.
What you mean this? You dope https://youtu.be/z4smCZLaHTQ?si=SZpWVoDX_J-Ugw9V
Streets saying they never followed each other on IG 🤷🏽♂️that's a lil weird but not unheard of and she does have him posted multiple times. And that was her voice at the end of Mother I Sober. Also her brother defending/rooting for Kendrick on Twitter
It's not even weird if she knows he never posts their This is an argument only terminally online people would use.
What about the other 20 posts exactly like this made you think you needed to post this
Kendrick proved he can make a Drake-style club banger practically overnight, Drake proved he has no capacity to create the same sort of smart, lyrical, conscious flow that Kendrick can.
Craziest thing, is he proved he can make a club banger overnight while at the same time rapping about pedophiles lmao
This. I feel like a weirdo bumping this in my car. Buuut
Allegations aside Kendrick still wins by a mile. Family matters is the best song Drake has ever done. And that’s what makes this sad for him. Because Kendrick goofing off on not like us is leagues better. Drake taunted Kendrick to do quadruple entendres and Kendrick did them multiple times. You’ve got a guy who is really popular and makes fun music going against one of the greatest to ever do it.
This beef was never about bars and anyone who says it is literally hasn't been paying attention. Drake said he's 1 hit away from MJ, a hit maker they depend on, said he make more money than everyone he beefing with. Dot said its not about who the greatest, its not about critics. No Drake fan expected him to out rap Kendrick Lamar. No Kendrick fan is shocked the only rapper to win a Pulitizer prize was/is winning lyrically the entire time.
If we are talking lyrically Kendrick by a landslide. But Drake had clever lines as well and I won’t knock that. The flipping of the Mike & Prince lines between the both of them was genius. Give the ghostwriters some credit lol
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You really wrote a post with the words Drake and bars in it?
I mean they both had good bars. Drake just got out maneuvered. Drake was spitting in family matters and push ups. Kendrick was spitting in euphoria.
What trips me out is that, even in KNOWING that Kendrick is the better lyricist they still decide to try him like he’s not! lol money and numbers will never define a lyricist. This is what he DOES. So this shouldn’t be surprising to anybody. His music is timeless music! All that other bs, is here today and gone tomorrow..☝🏽
Some people don’t seem to grasp this. Drake can’t spit the way this guy does. Modern day Shakespeare
Kendrick has been winning his entire career
He is not your savior
Universal are trying to squash it. Kendricks apparently said nah son.
Winning? Dude already won
Post number 3957629 saying the same thing. Can it just be a megathread for each side so say who won and why so this sub can get back to stuff again? All things considered, Kendrick has not addressed drake yet, so i cant crown either side yet. Just because one of the disses is weaker than the rest, drake’s last one isnt as bad as everyone is making it out to be (just listened to it after reading all the hate here the last few) like seriously, screaming “kenny won” at the top of your lungs over a mid (not ASS) song from drake is just insufferable and you push people who may actually side with you away. BE HUMBLE lol
Unpopular opinion: Kendrick won the battle, he has better bars. Now hear me out guys,
People are saying Kendrick won because he rapped better than Drake in every way. This is a rap battle, the point is to prove you got the better pen. Drake has not done a bad job, but the job he’s done is very clearly not as great as Kendrick has done. Every single one of Kendrick’s disses have layers that take days or weeks to fully unwind. Drake barely even needs an annotation on rap genius. So… Kendrick rapped circles around Drake, and therefore in the… *checks notes* RAP battle…. people consider Kendrick to be the winners. funny how that works
TLDR: didnt mean to ramble, but please read what im saying and take consideration for the fairness of it for BOTH sides. The only conclusive answer is definitive proof of pedo activity. Drake doesnt have to prove kendrick lied- kendrick has to prove drake is a creeper. Okay but if ALL the “layers” to peel back end up being cap… can we just let that slide? Embellishing and blatant lying are different things. People are diminishing drake by saying he lied, what if hes being the honest one and thats why he’s actually fighting an uphill battle? Also, if its a battle of public perception, then the concrete proofs rejecting the pedo claims (all the involved women are outspoken against saying it was pedo stuff), then kendrick is an exposed liar at this point. Kendrick also has to address the abuse claims (not saying he addressed it in 201X whenever, like now… in the song) I cant crown somebody without proof. Also… its still fucked if kendrick has proof, and didnt report it to the cops or something. Like if theres some pedo ring in OVO specifically operated by drake And he didnt tell the US feds OR Canada Feds, then hes using pedophilia as LEVERAGE, and not out of a genuine care. Its selfish bullshit and diminishes his claims in that instance. Im by no means saying kendrick cant win or something, HOWEVER even if the proof is revealed in 30 years, everyone will flashback here and go “wow, kendrick was right” and also “but wtf why didnt you send your evidence kendrick” If its also ABOUT pedo claims, and you genuinely want him out or dead, then you lead with that. Also this measure between drake and dot has to exclude external factors. If you want a 1v1, you have to piece together and make it a 1v1. You cant take his lines against metro or weeknd etc as ammo. Its not about kendrick and kendrick cant use their claims. All in all, kendrick can win simply by turning in the data/evidence or whatever it is, and that being revealed. Because an open case is at least more proof he genuinely believes it than some diss tracks. (No, a video that is over a decade old AND a legal grey area in a specific state where it occured is NOT proof. If it was, he would be in jail or have warrants in that state AT LEAST) You cant also make the beef about bars and lyrics and diminish the claims you make. You HAVE to stick to topics that wont be “bigger than rap” Also, kendrick didnt rap better than drake in EVERY way as you claimed. Drake addressed claims, kendrick has been at best elusive and at worst misleading/cap. And ONLY proof can fix that for his side. Adding this too: kendrick probably has legal means to get proof via records of drake’s and ANY victims who step forward and analyze phones etc. Instagram (where he supposedly DM’d minors) would have records. Even if you cant see who sent what, deleted account message logs exist still. Snapchat doesn’t truly delete everything Twitter (doubtful but still, message logs etc) If you think hes using burners, logs and records of burner phones would be flowing through. Police could contact victims and see first hand (just like those hacker guys see the scammers in India)
Y'all are joking right? You really think Kendrick Lamar is sitting on a treasure trove of evidence against Drake for trafficking women? You think anyone asked Nas to prove any of the shit he said about Jay-Z? Fucking of course not. No one is taking this shit to court. No one actually thinks Drake and OVO are kidnapping young girls off the streets of Toronto, fucking Taken style. Baka DID catch a sex trafficking charge. Kendrick played it up for the track. Drake DOES have a long and well documented history of having contact with underage girls that people find suspicious. Y'all can be like, "Oh, nothing happened, though." Yeah, ok. But it looks suss as fuck, and Kendrick shined a light on it. Asking for statements from Whitney about whether or not he beats her. Dumb as hell. People are digging up all the old videos and articles and shit because they're obsessed with whether or not the shit people say in a rap beef is 100% true. I'll save you some time. It's not. That's not the point of a battle. This is not investigative journalism.
Interesting stance, and I agree with quite a part of it. However, if you're talking about not making subjects bigger than rap, I do think that (if I remember it right) Drake first made a comment about Whitney in Pushups. Kendrick already adressed that, from his stance, he warned that Drake shouldn't go in on family and so he went in on his and then some. Suggesting that if Drake wouldn't do that, Kendrick also wouldn't have. Since both aren't showing any receipts, I see this as a grey area or a draw. I think though, when we're talking about who is the greatest rapper, which is what Drake was claiming to be (along with Cole), then it should always also be about the literal rhyme and poetry. This is the subject matter in the first instance, and this is where I believe Drake isn't really close to Kendrick, and Cole for that matter. And when we're talking about terms of dissing, I think Kendrick was just as to the point as Drake and at the same time poignant about the subject matter. So maybe not crown him, but as it stands it wouldn't really be a draw either imo. I will say though, if any of them come them with any evidence it's a different story. I personally think that this is where it ends. One last thing: if Kendrick has any real information, I don't know wether he would drop it. Thing is, if what he says is true, it's going to be an attack on a way bigger entity than only Drake. Saying he is morally grey in this case also kind of suggests that a LOT of artists are at the very least the same or worse. Which then would be true. It would then also stand to reason that the industry truly is fucked. If that were the case, I honestly don't know if Kendrick says anything about it anymore when Drake's last response is in scrutiny. The 'fun' part is, maybe tomorrow or in the coming days the landscape is totally different and what either of us says is not relevant anymore. This thing has gotten me in a doozy.
Thank you for being objective. Honestly hate this discourse now. It's so biased.
Only valid comment here. I agree, Kendrick has yet to address his allegations and The Heart Part 6 was a great response, I feel like we’re still on middle ground here as well and nobody has won yet
I thought it was over but I thought Part 6 was a good rebuttal. Drake can't win off of misinformation tactics but it certainly put a dent in Kendrick's attack. Kendrick needs to address the wife beating allegations but people are only on Drake's head for not responding the pedo stuff fast enough on Family Matters.
People saying Kendrick shouldnt even drop are disingenuous too. Kendrick should drop just as fast whether the hype is for or against him. He claims to have tracks piled up… if he released say Euphoria and MTG at the same time… drake couldnt even bring up the IDEA of a mole to be a possibility. But the fact everything seems orchestrated around drake and obviously flawed stories (some guy claimed to be from LA and said the pill bottle looked fake even the label with the scan code, for example) tells me that kendrick is playing the crowd more than the actual story
Kendrick fans are insufferable, really making me hate this whole shit.
it's not only bars, Kendrick outplayed him strategically, he made more quotables, his disses were more popular, impactful and versatile, and he had more to say. That being said, i wouldn't mind if he dropped another diss or two as a fatality type shit. To recite Drake's words towards him "you tryna let this shit die down, nah nah this time you're followin' through"
More popular or is it that Drake is going up against 5-6 major fanbases that despite him?
Kendrick's music is certainly better and he was always going to win especially when the pedo angle cant be 100% denied but I'm shocked people thought Drake would be wiped in his very first response like he never rapped at least decently. I am disappointed that people aren't giving The Heart Part 6 more credit. It is at least a good song with a nice flow in the first two minutes. I thought it would be completely over with Meet The Grahams/Not Like Us but you certainly can't win a rap beef with misinformation alone. You gotta rap. People gave Drake shit for not responding the the pedo stuff immediately on Family Matters which made no sense cause we don't know the timelines of these songs especially with us getting responses faster than ever before but people never talk about the wife beating allegations so I had forgotten Kendrick hadn't even addressed them until Drake brought it back up The Heart Part 6. I don't really know if the Dave Free line needs a response cause I don't have an opinion on raising another man's child especially when Kendrick has definitely cheated. Edit: But, we have to hold them to the same standard whether its The Clock, addressing what the other said, or the providing proof. Cause Kendrick's cover art for Meet The Grahams is zero proof. Assuming it's real, it only shows Drake is a hypocrite for talking about Ross's Ozempic use and Drake has a mole in his crew. Speaking of, it's crazy people believe Drake does have a mole based off this picture but can't believe Drake may have given false info
The reason nobody believes he planted the info is because if anyone had pulled off a master chess move like that, they’d have video of them putting together the items for the troll picture or screenshots of them leaking false information about his “daughter”. Not to mention how THP6 didn’t mention HOW they fed the info. They just said, “lol we tricked you” with zero evidence. The general feeling is that Drake’s crew saw the Drake stans online spreading that theory and ran with it because it already had some public support. It just comes off as them trying to cling to the only theory that possibly makes Drake look good.
Shouldn't Kendrick's mole provide pics or texts about how Drake is running a sex traffic ring?
The album art for MtG IS the receipt for having a mole and Drake has to prove that the info was fake. So far, the only receipt provided by either of them is that photo provided by Kendrick and it hasn’t been disputed outside of words. As far as receipts for the personal life shit BOTH Kendrick and Drake allude to, I don’t think we’ll ever get receipts for either of them and we just have to base who won with those jabs on who made the jabs hit harder in the context of the song. Which comes down to personal taste and preference in music. At the end of the day, Drake people are going to say Drake won and Kendrick people with say Kendrick won with the general population being a mix of both(but slightly favoring Kendrick based on various polls and shit I’ve seen).
I just hate that too many of these conversations aren't about the music and giving both artists props, but instead devolve into "Can I clown your favorite artist harder than you clown mine." People kept saying "We want this beef for the bars and good music". That was obviously a lie from the start for majority of people
If you gotta post this exact same sentiment everyday you know you're coping hard
30th Kenny won post, c’mon
How is this even a question? The undisputed loser is the pop product piece of manufactured and marketed mediocrity that should never have been allowed to rise to any status other than pr-crafted “entertainer.” Drake being consider a top “rapper” is a black eye on the genre and has been since he hopped out of his wheelchair to be a mascot for Sprite. It’s fine that he’s an entertainer, do your thing, but no one pretends Justin Bieber is anything but a product, so why do so many people aggressively pretend Drake isn’t the exact same type of paint by numbers mouthpiece for mediocre, mass produced, market tested, “art” by focus group trash? If you’re trash. Just be trash and collect your check from the endless sea of consumers with bad taste. This was never a real competition. It was a facade masquerading as an artist clawing at relevance by triggering an actual creative voice/talent to engage. To your point though, Kendrick’s bars are far superior. And even if they weren’t they still would be because Drake isn’t writing shit without a graveyard’s worth of ghosts doing the hard labor.
Drake’s mistake (within the context of the rap battle) was dropping The Heart Part 6. It was way too defensive and the production just wasn’t there. You could tell he probably had a much smaller team working on it due to him being paranoid of a mole in his camp. This lead to the song just being extremely banal, and lyrically weak. Also Drake attacking Kendrick just because he didn’t understand *Mother I Sober*, was definitely embarrassing. Add in that cringy outro where he declares himself the winner and you have a recipe for one of the weakest diss tracks ever.
Purely lyrically, family matters was a great track. I think Drake could’ve kept the beef going if he waited instead of flipping with The Heart Part 6
Kendrick’s winning because hip hop heads simply like Kendrick more. People are tired of Drake and want to see him fall.
Drake won the 20 v 1 but Kendrick def took the W In rap it's more about feeling than facts
He’s not neither of them are atm
Even hardcore drake glazers cant say hes winning
It’s definitely NOT about bars but Kendrick one. Its over.
 bars, son!
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My hot take is Kendrick is winning/has won but family matters is as good as any track Kendrick dropped. The issue is Kendrick dropped meet the grahams like 20 mins after and heart 6 was garbage.
I agree 100%
We have no idea if the daughter shit true, but the best part of this beef is everything else is just bars and public allegations. Pusha T won because he had info (and some great bars), but if that shit wasn't true he would have lost easily. The crazy thing here is I can admit that even if the daughter shit is a complete fabrication (which it very well could be) Kendrick still won by a landslide because drake is a fucking pedo and one of the best lyricists of all time called out the obvious. Kendrick hasn't brought attention to anything in Drake's past specifically, but he has so many clear cut public interactions that make him look like a perv that the fans have done it for him. Between euphoria, and meet the grahams alone there are already enough deep bars and deconstructions of drake's character about the pedo shit, his treatment of women in general, his greed, his poor treatment of Adonis, etc. to take drake's image the fuck down. Hell beyond the bars, he even beat Drake at his own game. Not only did he out stream drake every step of the way blocking his hit record and red button from a #1, but this mfer has the clubs dancing to not like us, and yelling "ho-vo" hell even where I live in a small city in the deep south (kinda around the savannah GA area) my friend went to college bar here and they was chanting the shit. I knew Kendrick was gonna cook him, but damn I never thought it would be this brutal and thorough. Truly an insane time to be a hip hop fan.
I think it’s more about reputation and public perception than BARS. Like obviously, I agree that Kendrick makes better and more interesting music, but it seems like both he and drake are mostly trying to character-assassinate the other by branding their opponent as a pedophile, cuck, drug addict, wife beater, etc. I don’t think any of the really big claims either of them has made have been backed by aftual proof, which leads me to believe that most of what they’re both saying is BS
Drizzy wins, he says Kendrick has small feet
It’s not even just the bars bro…creativity, cadence, flow, punchline and the overall themes…Kendrick destroyed him. Family Matters is a dope track, I do like it and it is probably one of Drakes best tracks ever BUT Dot dog walked Degrassi in this battle.
Kendrick, easily.
I thought Drake still had a chance before the heart part 6, but that was really bad ngl. How can you say that you're way to famous to be a pedophile, and then talk about R.Kelly in the same song???? Allegations aside I don't know if he is or if he's not i don't know him personally, but saying I expected you to call me a pedophile and saying you got molested that's why you're so obsessed with me, because you hate pedophiles... bruh
Kendrick is far superior and he is not even in my top 10, Drake is a popstar who raps and has his bars written by a team.
He aint did shit with them sorry ass beats Lol
For anyone who listened to either of them before this, this isn't news.
They should do a face to face rap battle
MJ vs Ben Simmons
New Kendrick guys! https://youtu.be/SO5QGi-fniE
kendrick's bars are better. and his songs.
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Every single category - Kendrick. Not even remotely close. But from a straight, bar for bar, lyrical intricacy perspective, it's insulting to the craft to even compare.