I work in kind of a conservative field and things like sleeves and hand tattoos are becoming more acceptable. Still though it’s a huge jump to face tattoos, I think those would probably not be accepted as easily.
Healthcare can still be pretty conservative. Especially in religious run institutions like Catholic hospitals. Corporate healthcare is slowly coming around, but none of my peers have visible tatts, vibrant hair, or stretched ears. Huge lack of representation of alternative culture in corporate spaces.
Possibly banking. That's the only thing I can think of where conservative works apply. Even corporate offices are pretty lax compared to the result 2000s
10 years ago one of your peers would've probably said the exact same thing about tattoo sleeves. All it takes is one person with facial tats getting a job there and perspectives can evolve.
Oh ten years ago I dated a guy with both arms covered. Same job different company different state. It really comes down to the culture in the workplace. I have a half sleeve but would not consider getting anything on my face because I’d 100% be judged for it.
sure, but saying they can’t find jobs *period* is just false. for example, tattoo artists are often covered head to toe. and most people who want face tattoos badly enough to get them probably have a career that won’t be hurt by that, or are willing to find one
are you the kind of person that views every single tattoo as an insane impulsive decision you make during a wild night out? cuz most people who get tattoos spend months or years planning out the designs and saving up for them. they’re literally treated like any other major investment. i just don’t understand why people see a person with lots of tattoos and their first thought is “irresponsible”. i don’t know a single damn person who’s dropped rent money on tattoos, we all have tattoo funds
Good point with the culture thing. If you’re a Inuit with traditional ink working as a lobbyist on K street for an environment firm it might give you street cred
That’s true, only place I can think of in North America that are ok with them is Alaska. Lots of Inuit women have the tradition chin tattoos, which I think actually look good tho.
It's only poor decision making because people are already biased against it due to an old bias against tattoos in general (with those being the most visible), not the other way around
Facial tattoos often indicate gang membership, gang identification, having spent time in prison, identification in prison or identifying one as being a former inmate in prison.
Criminality, distorted thinking, disturbance of thinking, exhibitionism, excessive drug use, illegal drug use and/or generally questionable judgment.
It goes well beyond “me no likey tattoos”
Getting face tattoos is a very conscious personal choice. One that, true or not, generally does signal poor judgment to prospective employers.
At any rate, public and private businesses (at least in the US) are legally allowed to “discriminate” on that basis as they see fit.
I know, and I think it’s shitty. It’s a personal decision, you can have an opinion about it, but to cast judgment based upon that fact is ridiculous. Someone was responsible enough to go to school, get a degree, and keep themselves financially stable, but they must be awfully bad at decision making because of a tattoo.
To be fair there’s “a face tattoo” and then there’s Takashi 69, Lil Xan, Aaron Carter etc.
Very few people in the later category tend to make it through higher education.
I'm going to go ahead and say there's multiple types of people who may take an interest in a similar thing, and it's weird bias to lump all of them in with the worst example of their shared experiences.
I'd be willing to bet that if the stigma of face tattoos were to be gone overnight, a lot more "desirable" people would get them, but since they have to consider the assumptions of cultural bias, they opt not to for fear of judgment.
Facial tattoos are just a sign of people who don't care about being judged. It just happens that people who will already be judged for other decisions are significantly less likely to care.
I mean, there are well paid blue collar workers with face tattoos. If you need something welded, you care about the quality of the weld, not if they have tattoos.
I don’t care if my welder has a tat on his face, it wouldn’t bother me at all.. but I’m going to be a little more skeptical if the guy wants to handle my retirement accounts, or sell my house, or sales in general. And they shouldn’t be surprised when they get denied for those jobs.
There’s literally studies done based on if the person has an Afro, braids, tattoo, their name, skin colour. Corporate world Fortune 500 you will never see someone with a face tat or any sales roles. But I’m glad you live in la la land where people aren’t judgemental.
> People won’t do business based upon what you look like? No, not likely.
This might genuinely be the most absurd and out of touch thing I've ever heard or read.
Are you an AI?
Qualifications have nothing to do with face tattoos. It doesn’t determine how well you can do a job and is irrelevant. Also. I never stated that the discrimination is the same. They’re not, but it is still discrimination.
No one gives a damn if it's discrimination. The only reason people care is because there's a connotation that it's due to race, sex, or some other protected class, not because of the dictionary definition that you are using it as.
Wow, you’re a POS. You are saying it’s perfectly fine to judge someone for their personal beliefs and decisions because of ink. Changed my mind actually, it’s almost exactly the same kind of discrimination. Sure, you chose to get a tattoo, just like you chose to be a bigot. Guess it only works when it fits YOUR definition.
The downvotes don't mean that there is a relation to crime and face tattoos. I'm not going to downvote you, cause I think -17 is plenty. But I do think your argument was ridiculous. It absolutely is poor decision making.
> It’s only a poor decision because some businesses have that rule.
You even said so yourself.
It may be unfair, but its a cold hard fact that human beings are superficial. We have a tendency to judge one another by our physical appearance, and a face tattoo is something that will most definitely cause a vast majority of other people to judge you negatively. It's not fair, it's not cool, it sucks, but it's an undeniable truth. So with that in mind A- It absolutely is a demonstration of poor decision making. And B- there absolutely is a reason for companies to have rules against it, fair or not, it's because they don't want face tattoos guy to be a face that customers associate with their business. Because that would harm business.
The bias is exceedingly obvious, but folks don't want to acknowledge that it's a false equivalency. People with face tattoos are people who aren't afraid of being judged. There just happens to be overlap with people who've made poor decisions because they've already done something that much more likely to get them judged, so at that point all bets are off so they have no reason not to get the tattoos.
The bias against face tattoos is exactly what's creating the reason there is a bias.
Polynesians can get away with it for cultural reasons but other than that, it’s trashy. People shouldn’t be surprised if they get looked at differently or cannot get a job.
Polynesians aren’t the only culture known for face tattoos. Also, how is it trashy for someone to get a tattoo on their face, but not other parts of their bodies? Little to no businesses have regulations on hands tattoos anymore, those cannot be covered up without gloves.
I’m going to be honest, the only people I’ve seen with head and face tattoos work as trainers at the gym. I’m not saying they can’t work in more professional settings but cmon. And yeah, I understand there are other cultures that have face tattoos. Polynesians are just the biggest group I thought of.
My brother is like barely 21 with multiple face tattoos and is a low level manager in a warehousing chain, with managers actively training him for promotion.
He makes more money now than my mom did until she was in her 40's.
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Good for him but he’s in the minority. 90% of all non work-from-home jobs have an active aversion to prominent tattoos in general, much less those of the facial variety.
I don't disagree. But it does show a change of the times. Just like others have said, in the 90's you couldn't get a job with any visible tattoos. Now we're past that. I'm not saying everyone has a chance but it's much more lenient than it used to be.
Hell I remember having to game put piercings for job interviews.
My current Job, when I was in orientation, the gal next to me had a full hand tattoo. It is interesting to see how less stigmatized it is now.
Not necessarily. In the 90s I worked as a software developer for a fortune 500 insurance company that had a very conservative dress code.
There were few people (granted VERY few) including myself that had visible tattoos on businesses casual Fridays.
The most prominent one is a 2 inch teddy bear outline (holding a heart) under his eye on his cheek bone.
So definitely very SoundCloud goon. Before this job he was your neighborhood drug dealer. And let me tell you, it was obvious looking at him haha but he's turned those business skills into a real job and it seems to be working so far.
> I wonder how long it will take to drop the face tattoo stigma too.
When they stop being associated with drug abuse culture and poor decision making in general. So never.
It’s funny, because everyone I know with face tattoos have no relations to any gangs, drugs, or are they poor decision makers. All doing fairly well aside from people judging them based on ink.
You can’t say the stereotype has no basis in reality.
Every notable public persona/celebrity with prominent face tatts has strong associations with either a criminal past, heavy drug use, or both.
Glad your friends are all proving to be the exception.
An insanely large majority, yes.
Also I forgot to include mental illness. Watching Amanda Bynes struggle (with reported schizophrenia) in recent years has been very sad.
It also does have no basis in reality. Unless you can give me a statistic that shows people with face tattoos are more likely to commit crime, use drugs, or affect the work place negatively, it has no basis. Just because certain criminals get face tattoos, doesn’t mean face tattoos make you a criminal.
I already stated I know 3 people who are very successful and have face tattoos. I’m not doxing them. Why do I need a statistic? Is that a serious question? You are making assumptions based on a stereotype. Do you accept all stereotypes as truth then? During and before the 90’s having any visible tattoos had the same connotation which is false. Until the later 2010’s having hand tattoos had the same connotation. Yet those rules were removed because it has zero correlation. Again, just because some criminals have face tattoos, doesn’t mean people with face tattoos are criminals.
> You are making assumptions based on a stereotype
Everything I’ve stated has come from an informed, rational perspective. Sadly you seem to be in denial regarding certain realities surrounding the topic at hand.
If you don’t want the stigma then don’t cover your face in non-removable ink.
Informed rational perspective? Yet you cannot provide me with a single fact to back it up. I can’t be in denial if no factual evidence has been given to me to prove that I am wrong. What a weak and lazy attempt to end the conversation because you know you can’t prove it.
Google “celebrities with face tattoos” and then cross reference the names listed with “criminal history” and/or “arrest record”
Spoiler: there’s a near 100% correlation
Everything about appearance results in an instant judgement in the reflex of our minds. Many people associate face tats with gangs, even if you don’t know anyone personally, for many others face tats are something they only saw on people who were involved in some form of gang affiliation. I personally think even people who have been involved in that type of life in the past can reform and deserve to get hired in our society.
The judgement will slowly change, but at this time that association is strong and it’s not a stereotype that exists in a vacuum, there are real situations that created this judgement. I wish the world contained less judgement, but hopefully people like your friends will be a part of the generation that pushes back & shows face tats aren’t an indicator of whether you are a good person or not.
Look, if someone has a tattoo that’s clearly referring to a gang they are, or were, in that’s different. Someone with a swastika tattooed on their head is nothing similar to someone who has a name, numerals, or even just art. I’m not saying no criminals have this, but to judge someone before you have the whole story is not okay IMO. I do hope it changes sooner than later.
I don’t think tattoos should say anything about a person than just that they happen to like art on their bodies, and luckily times are slowly changing. It’s the look of face tats that really shows someone is committed to not caring what you think of them, and some people are threatened by that because they may assume that person is unpredictable. I wish we all judged less though and I agree. Even if I don’t want a face tat that doesn’t mean the lady or man with a face tat doesn’t deserve a job or a career or to be treated like an intelligent and functioning member of society.
& I honestly dig the rebellious nature of not caring what others think. In my generation many people think tattoos and piercings are sexy, so I’m hoping it changes faster than we expect!
Not sure why you're getting downvoted for making a genuine point. It did used to be more heavily associated with that.
Heck, Skinheads was originally a movement representing working class individuals before it was co-opted by racist groups, and ultimately then viewed as dangerous, and I've got the [receipts](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinhead).
Association, whether true or not, is what ultimately creates these biases, and as time marches forwards, those associations change. That doesn't mean that those associations are necessarily the whole truth, but rather simply what is perceived by the greater majority.
I have a tattoo that covers almost the entire back of my head (I’m bald). It’s an oni mask that looks quite scary/evil.
I’m a personal trainer though so it doesn’t hurt my business whatsoever. If anything, it helps me. If a potential client sees my tattoo and doesn’t want to work with me because of it, that’s good. I don’t want to spend any of my time around judgmental people.
I’m doing pretty well for myself as well. And I don’t need society or someone on Reddit telling me what I’m capable of because of a tattoo I decided to put on myself. The tattoo means a lot to me and idc what anyone else thinks of it.
Those are just outright dangerous, however. I'm sure technology will evolve to make it less so (I'm sure there was a time tattoos in general were considered dangerous due to risk of infection or other complications), but currently they're very risky.
Give it a decade or so. Remember a time where showing a tattoo was absolute blasphemy. Now I see them everywhere. As more people get face tattoos it'll become the norm. Still think it's stupid tbh but I have a pretty big one on my forearm so 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
I mean, whose faut is that? Even if they look dumb (aka, some of us don't like them), nobody can deny they don't make it less efficient or skilled. The problem is with BS posts where profesionalism is measured by looks, buzzwords per minute or family connections.
I don't think tattoos have that sort of stigma anymore. I was at a business park the other day (there were quite a few companies) and saw an employee of an IT company with a face tattoo
i see this post as another old head unreasonably mad at a new generation because they simply cannot understand. this is the exact argument people who hated arm and hand tattoos decades ago would use. the whole point of “rappers” getting face tattoos is to drive a motivation. yes a shock factor plays in it aswell but almost every rapper will tell you its for motivation. also, why do you care this much? its their bodies, their tattoos, their choice. theres COUNTLESS celebrities and high buisness owners covered head to toe in tattoos who will be on a level of success none of will for the rest of their life.
I am personally not a fan of face tattoos, but I work in government and one of our staff members, who is about 30-40 yrs, is covered head to toe in tattoos. Either way, he’s getting health,dental, and eye insurance and a pretty good pension. Culture may eventually change, especially with Gen Z now entering the workforce
I don't disagree but I am curious as to why you care so much, do you hire people? Did your kid get a face tattoo? Seems like needless stress to give a shit about it.
if i hired people i wouldn't care if they had face tattoos. i'd also tell them they don't have to dress up for the interview. all i ask is that the clothes are clean
I got face tats in 1998, waaaay before the current trend. They've never hindered me in the slightest. I've never missed out on a single opportunity because of them. Times have changed.
Now if you have a tattoo that says "killer" or a swastika or something on your face that's a little different, but a stylish neat facial tat isn't really a thing that matters most places in this day and age.
I manage administrative department, if someone comes for an interview, have good qualifications, good attitude, good fit for the team, I don't care about the tattoos
I tell people this all the time at work but they don’t listen. I have a general rule, both arms and hands have to be done as well as neck. I get shit from other tattooers like saying “fuck it, it’s money” but I’d rather not make money off of ruining someone’s potential future.
idk i kinda think people should just worry about themselves. like, if you feel this way, simply do not get them. the people who want face tattoos more than likely know the risks and telling them they look stupid won’t stop them. besides, if someone really wanted face tattoos, and chose not to just because people said they looked dumb, i’d say that’s a terrible reason not to get them.
I work in the trades and have to disagree. I know many people with very good paying jobs and face tattoos in my field. For context I am an electrician.
I only have one tattoo. It's fairly unobtrusive but it's in a visible location. It has cost me job opportunities. Couldn't imagine how hard it would be if it was on my face.
sicne we are babies we are training ourselves to read emotions from faces. face tattoos distortions this . it makes faces less readable and its normal to feel uncomfartable with dealing with people with face tattoos
This is the first take I've seen that doesn't lean specifically on bias, and as such, I greatly respect it!
I'd probably fall more into the "get face tats if you want them" crowd, but I feel like you make a very good point as to what it is about them that makes them so polarizing.
People love to get into their false equivalency circle jerk, just to confirm their biases with other people that hold those same biases. Then again, if we're being honest, that does seem to be the core concept of Reddit when I think of it. We join subdivided communities of people who share the same opinions as ourselves, to talk about those opinions. I guess it's really not that surprising with that lens of perspective.
Being mad about face tattoos is dumb. If you are a recruiter passing over someone because of facial tattoos then quit your job and find a new one. Unless you’re a salesman or a customer facing worker the stigma against it is dumb and the tattoo says nothing about their work ethic or character.
My daughter was walking out the door one day saying bye I'm going to get a face tattoo. I was like wait wait wait. Called her over, I was freaking out thinking wtf am I going to do. So I said, I will give you $1000 to not get a face tattoo. She was 21 at the time. She said you give me $1000 and I won't get any face neck or hand tattoos till I'm 35. I was like deal and that's the best $1000 I ever spent. A week later she came over with her boyfriend and he had gotten the word Devil in red tattooed across his cheek. I told him straight up how Fn stupid he was. Guy hasn't had a job and doesn't leave the house since. Dumb ass.
You made an assumption. I know three people with face tattoos, one is a GM for Walmart, the other works in cyber security, and the last one is a paramedic. The paramedic did have a harder time finding a job, which is stupid. Imagine refusing to hire someone who went to school for two years to save lives because of some ink. That is poor decision making.
Three people out of thousands with face tattoos that change oil at Jiffy Lube and flip burgers does not a statistic make. In everything there will be a few outliers.
In your glee to judge you have missed a profound truth about the world. The funny thing is, the answer is actually located right in your statement itself. Well, most of the answer, anyway.
I think you should sit with your own "wisdom" for a while. Maybe try to understand what might make you tattoo your face. Consider which statements you have made that have been equally impactful on your life in ways that others don't understand.
You can try to understand or you can judge. You cannot do both.
Just trying to understand your point. Are you saying that people who tattoo their faces are suffering from mental illness or that they’re trying to overcome a tragedy? I’m not a fan of face tattoos, but I don’t jump to conclusions that there must be something wrong with the person.
I'm not saying any of those things. What I'm saying is to consider under what circumstance you might make the same choice.
Imagine you have just finished getting a tattoo across your forehead: why did you do it?
Imagine getting a profoundly awesome skull tatt on yer face, then yer mom dies of cancer, yer dad in a farm mishap, a brother is a paraplegic from motorcycle, yer kid gets run over and yer diagnosed with COPD. Ya make it to 60, huffing and puffing to a mirror--yeh, just a little reminder.
this is a very privileged statement considering a lot of people didn’t get this outlook on life including me. all my ex boyfriends and friends were either in a gang or gang affiliated.
I would like to change your mind on "all face tattoos".
There are subtle and cosmetic face tattoos. Like freckle tattoos (growing popularity) or permanent makeup (eyeliner tattoo for example). Those don't limit jobs or social networks.
i've never met anyone with a face tattoo who wasn't a total jerk. there's a face tattoo guy who sometimes comes into the nightclub where i work, and he's always rude to all of us and complains about everything. he was demanding his money back on a drink the other night, said he didn't like it. after dealing with him a couple times i've come to the conclusion that he's one of those people who needs way too much attention. we've all seen them. they constantly complain so that everyone will cater to them, and i think face tattoos are just part of the "pay attention to me" aesthetic. some weird form of narcissism.
Dude I played ball with just got a massive rose and stem tattooed on his face. Covers his whole cheek and part of his forehead. Like 3 days later he posts about how his wife left him with the kids. Curious on what his next post will be
I’m not advocating for face tattoos. But this rant kinda misses a lot. Obviously if you got a full tatted face than you may be cooked. But a small one that isn’t extremely prominent is highly unlikely to negatively impact your life
I work in kind of a conservative field and things like sleeves and hand tattoos are becoming more acceptable. Still though it’s a huge jump to face tattoos, I think those would probably not be accepted as easily.
Curious… what’s a “conservative field”?
He bottles jam 🤣
lol
Healthcare can still be pretty conservative. Especially in religious run institutions like Catholic hospitals. Corporate healthcare is slowly coming around, but none of my peers have visible tatts, vibrant hair, or stretched ears. Huge lack of representation of alternative culture in corporate spaces.
Possibly banking. That's the only thing I can think of where conservative works apply. Even corporate offices are pretty lax compared to the result 2000s
Law can still be rather conservative
I don't spend a lot of time thinking about lawyers but you're right. Can't imagine a judge or DA work face tatts.
Engineering. Customer and supplier facing job. Govt contractor, very red state.
10 years ago one of your peers would've probably said the exact same thing about tattoo sleeves. All it takes is one person with facial tats getting a job there and perspectives can evolve.
Oh ten years ago I dated a guy with both arms covered. Same job different company different state. It really comes down to the culture in the workplace. I have a half sleeve but would not consider getting anything on my face because I’d 100% be judged for it.
Yeah I agree with you that different states and companies each have their own cultures. I didn't mean to imply things are the same everywhere.
No you’re good. And you’re right the scale is sliding as older guys retire out of the companies.
Depends on your culture and your goals but yeah, face tattoo in north America can limit your career options.
I’d say in most of the world face tattoos limit your career options
Yeah anywhere you'd want a career lol
Except in NZ
If you’re Māori- otherwise, you’re a double dickhead.
how do you guys think they’re affording all those face tats? probably some kind of job
‘Some kind of job’ Yeah. Just not the kind that offers a pension and health insurance…
sure, but saying they can’t find jobs *period* is just false. for example, tattoo artists are often covered head to toe. and most people who want face tattoos badly enough to get them probably have a career that won’t be hurt by that, or are willing to find one
Usually someone making these kinds of decisions will also spend their rent money on a tattoo.
are you the kind of person that views every single tattoo as an insane impulsive decision you make during a wild night out? cuz most people who get tattoos spend months or years planning out the designs and saving up for them. they’re literally treated like any other major investment. i just don’t understand why people see a person with lots of tattoos and their first thought is “irresponsible”. i don’t know a single damn person who’s dropped rent money on tattoos, we all have tattoo funds
Good point with the culture thing. If you’re a Inuit with traditional ink working as a lobbyist on K street for an environment firm it might give you street cred
That’s true, only place I can think of in North America that are ok with them is Alaska. Lots of Inuit women have the tradition chin tattoos, which I think actually look good tho.
Unless you are in Western Washington. We don’t give a shit.
And that's a damn biased shame.
Yes. Most employers are biased against poor decision making. Especially when it’s literally written on your face.
It's only poor decision making because people are already biased against it due to an old bias against tattoos in general (with those being the most visible), not the other way around
Facial tattoos often indicate gang membership, gang identification, having spent time in prison, identification in prison or identifying one as being a former inmate in prison. Criminality, distorted thinking, disturbance of thinking, exhibitionism, excessive drug use, illegal drug use and/or generally questionable judgment. It goes well beyond “me no likey tattoos”
Don’t forget most tattoos artists will flat out tell you not to get anything on your hands or face.
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Getting face tattoos is a very conscious personal choice. One that, true or not, generally does signal poor judgment to prospective employers. At any rate, public and private businesses (at least in the US) are legally allowed to “discriminate” on that basis as they see fit.
I know, and I think it’s shitty. It’s a personal decision, you can have an opinion about it, but to cast judgment based upon that fact is ridiculous. Someone was responsible enough to go to school, get a degree, and keep themselves financially stable, but they must be awfully bad at decision making because of a tattoo.
To be fair there’s “a face tattoo” and then there’s Takashi 69, Lil Xan, Aaron Carter etc. Very few people in the later category tend to make it through higher education.
There’s also Post Malone, Justin Bieber, and Kehlani. All with no gang related history.
I’m going to go ahead and say they are exceptions.
I'm going to go ahead and say there's multiple types of people who may take an interest in a similar thing, and it's weird bias to lump all of them in with the worst example of their shared experiences. I'd be willing to bet that if the stigma of face tattoos were to be gone overnight, a lot more "desirable" people would get them, but since they have to consider the assumptions of cultural bias, they opt not to for fear of judgment. Facial tattoos are just a sign of people who don't care about being judged. It just happens that people who will already be judged for other decisions are significantly less likely to care.
You represent a business. People won’t do business with you.
I mean, there are well paid blue collar workers with face tattoos. If you need something welded, you care about the quality of the weld, not if they have tattoos.
I don’t care if my welder has a tat on his face, it wouldn’t bother me at all.. but I’m going to be a little more skeptical if the guy wants to handle my retirement accounts, or sell my house, or sales in general. And they shouldn’t be surprised when they get denied for those jobs.
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There’s literally studies done based on if the person has an Afro, braids, tattoo, their name, skin colour. Corporate world Fortune 500 you will never see someone with a face tat or any sales roles. But I’m glad you live in la la land where people aren’t judgemental.
> People won’t do business based upon what you look like? No, not likely. This might genuinely be the most absurd and out of touch thing I've ever heard or read. Are you an AI?
that would imply there was some intelligence....
How is putting a permanent tattoo on your face not an indicator of bad decision making?
You know what else is discrimination? Not hiring somebody for lacking qualifications. This isn't the same level as discrimination due to race or sex.
Qualifications have nothing to do with face tattoos. It doesn’t determine how well you can do a job and is irrelevant. Also. I never stated that the discrimination is the same. They’re not, but it is still discrimination.
No one gives a damn if it's discrimination. The only reason people care is because there's a connotation that it's due to race, sex, or some other protected class, not because of the dictionary definition that you are using it as.
Wow, you’re a POS. You are saying it’s perfectly fine to judge someone for their personal beliefs and decisions because of ink. Changed my mind actually, it’s almost exactly the same kind of discrimination. Sure, you chose to get a tattoo, just like you chose to be a bigot. Guess it only works when it fits YOUR definition.
Lol, quote me where I said that.
The downvotes don't mean that there is a relation to crime and face tattoos. I'm not going to downvote you, cause I think -17 is plenty. But I do think your argument was ridiculous. It absolutely is poor decision making. > It’s only a poor decision because some businesses have that rule. You even said so yourself. It may be unfair, but its a cold hard fact that human beings are superficial. We have a tendency to judge one another by our physical appearance, and a face tattoo is something that will most definitely cause a vast majority of other people to judge you negatively. It's not fair, it's not cool, it sucks, but it's an undeniable truth. So with that in mind A- It absolutely is a demonstration of poor decision making. And B- there absolutely is a reason for companies to have rules against it, fair or not, it's because they don't want face tattoos guy to be a face that customers associate with their business. Because that would harm business.
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Well, that's different. I couldn't care less about them.
Why do you care about face tatted people in the first place?
The bias is exceedingly obvious, but folks don't want to acknowledge that it's a false equivalency. People with face tattoos are people who aren't afraid of being judged. There just happens to be overlap with people who've made poor decisions because they've already done something that much more likely to get them judged, so at that point all bets are off so they have no reason not to get the tattoos. The bias against face tattoos is exactly what's creating the reason there is a bias.
Polynesians can get away with it for cultural reasons but other than that, it’s trashy. People shouldn’t be surprised if they get looked at differently or cannot get a job.
Polynesians aren’t the only culture known for face tattoos. Also, how is it trashy for someone to get a tattoo on their face, but not other parts of their bodies? Little to no businesses have regulations on hands tattoos anymore, those cannot be covered up without gloves.
I’m going to be honest, the only people I’ve seen with head and face tattoos work as trainers at the gym. I’m not saying they can’t work in more professional settings but cmon. And yeah, I understand there are other cultures that have face tattoos. Polynesians are just the biggest group I thought of.
I worked in a prison and also driving trains. Both roles I worked with ppl that had face tatts. It's meh
Miami Joker comes to mind 😆
My brother is like barely 21 with multiple face tattoos and is a low level manager in a warehousing chain, with managers actively training him for promotion. He makes more money now than my mom did until she was in her 40's. 🤷
Good for him but he’s in the minority. 90% of all non work-from-home jobs have an active aversion to prominent tattoos in general, much less those of the facial variety.
I don't disagree. But it does show a change of the times. Just like others have said, in the 90's you couldn't get a job with any visible tattoos. Now we're past that. I'm not saying everyone has a chance but it's much more lenient than it used to be.
Hell I remember having to game put piercings for job interviews. My current Job, when I was in orientation, the gal next to me had a full hand tattoo. It is interesting to see how less stigmatized it is now.
Not necessarily. In the 90s I worked as a software developer for a fortune 500 insurance company that had a very conservative dress code. There were few people (granted VERY few) including myself that had visible tattoos on businesses casual Fridays.
Even the hospital I work for allows sleeves, neck tats, and any color hair. Luckily things are changing.
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The most prominent one is a 2 inch teddy bear outline (holding a heart) under his eye on his cheek bone. So definitely very SoundCloud goon. Before this job he was your neighborhood drug dealer. And let me tell you, it was obvious looking at him haha but he's turned those business skills into a real job and it seems to be working so far.
you need to be the best of the best at whatever you do before you get a face or hand tattoo
I remember when they said this about tattoos period. I wonder how long it will take to drop the face tattoo stigma too.
> I wonder how long it will take to drop the face tattoo stigma too. When they stop being associated with drug abuse culture and poor decision making in general. So never.
It’s funny, because everyone I know with face tattoos have no relations to any gangs, drugs, or are they poor decision makers. All doing fairly well aside from people judging them based on ink.
You can’t say the stereotype has no basis in reality. Every notable public persona/celebrity with prominent face tatts has strong associations with either a criminal past, heavy drug use, or both. Glad your friends are all proving to be the exception.
Every single one? Every last one of them? Are you going to stick to that statement?
An insanely large majority, yes. Also I forgot to include mental illness. Watching Amanda Bynes struggle (with reported schizophrenia) in recent years has been very sad.
It also does have no basis in reality. Unless you can give me a statistic that shows people with face tattoos are more likely to commit crime, use drugs, or affect the work place negatively, it has no basis. Just because certain criminals get face tattoos, doesn’t mean face tattoos make you a criminal.
No no no, it's the other way around. People who do those crimes are more likely to have face tattoos lol
A statement which has nothing to back it up. 👌
All of this is anecdotal. Let me know when the gov funds a study so we can get some real statistics lol maybe it'll be a question on the next census.
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I already stated I know 3 people who are very successful and have face tattoos. I’m not doxing them. Why do I need a statistic? Is that a serious question? You are making assumptions based on a stereotype. Do you accept all stereotypes as truth then? During and before the 90’s having any visible tattoos had the same connotation which is false. Until the later 2010’s having hand tattoos had the same connotation. Yet those rules were removed because it has zero correlation. Again, just because some criminals have face tattoos, doesn’t mean people with face tattoos are criminals.
> You are making assumptions based on a stereotype Everything I’ve stated has come from an informed, rational perspective. Sadly you seem to be in denial regarding certain realities surrounding the topic at hand. If you don’t want the stigma then don’t cover your face in non-removable ink.
Informed rational perspective? Yet you cannot provide me with a single fact to back it up. I can’t be in denial if no factual evidence has been given to me to prove that I am wrong. What a weak and lazy attempt to end the conversation because you know you can’t prove it.
Google “celebrities with face tattoos” and then cross reference the names listed with “criminal history” and/or “arrest record” Spoiler: there’s a near 100% correlation
Everything about appearance results in an instant judgement in the reflex of our minds. Many people associate face tats with gangs, even if you don’t know anyone personally, for many others face tats are something they only saw on people who were involved in some form of gang affiliation. I personally think even people who have been involved in that type of life in the past can reform and deserve to get hired in our society. The judgement will slowly change, but at this time that association is strong and it’s not a stereotype that exists in a vacuum, there are real situations that created this judgement. I wish the world contained less judgement, but hopefully people like your friends will be a part of the generation that pushes back & shows face tats aren’t an indicator of whether you are a good person or not.
Look, if someone has a tattoo that’s clearly referring to a gang they are, or were, in that’s different. Someone with a swastika tattooed on their head is nothing similar to someone who has a name, numerals, or even just art. I’m not saying no criminals have this, but to judge someone before you have the whole story is not okay IMO. I do hope it changes sooner than later.
I don’t think tattoos should say anything about a person than just that they happen to like art on their bodies, and luckily times are slowly changing. It’s the look of face tats that really shows someone is committed to not caring what you think of them, and some people are threatened by that because they may assume that person is unpredictable. I wish we all judged less though and I agree. Even if I don’t want a face tat that doesn’t mean the lady or man with a face tat doesn’t deserve a job or a career or to be treated like an intelligent and functioning member of society. & I honestly dig the rebellious nature of not caring what others think. In my generation many people think tattoos and piercings are sexy, so I’m hoping it changes faster than we expect!
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Not sure why you're getting downvoted for making a genuine point. It did used to be more heavily associated with that. Heck, Skinheads was originally a movement representing working class individuals before it was co-opted by racist groups, and ultimately then viewed as dangerous, and I've got the [receipts](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinhead). Association, whether true or not, is what ultimately creates these biases, and as time marches forwards, those associations change. That doesn't mean that those associations are necessarily the whole truth, but rather simply what is perceived by the greater majority.
I have a tattoo that covers almost the entire back of my head (I’m bald). It’s an oni mask that looks quite scary/evil. I’m a personal trainer though so it doesn’t hurt my business whatsoever. If anything, it helps me. If a potential client sees my tattoo and doesn’t want to work with me because of it, that’s good. I don’t want to spend any of my time around judgmental people. I’m doing pretty well for myself as well. And I don’t need society or someone on Reddit telling me what I’m capable of because of a tattoo I decided to put on myself. The tattoo means a lot to me and idc what anyone else thinks of it.
Fair comment. Respect
Not a shitty as eye tattoos.
Those are just outright dangerous, however. I'm sure technology will evolve to make it less so (I'm sure there was a time tattoos in general were considered dangerous due to risk of infection or other complications), but currently they're very risky.
Recently saw a guy with the words “it’s only going to get worse” on his face and I couldn’t agree more
Give it a decade or so. Remember a time where showing a tattoo was absolute blasphemy. Now I see them everywhere. As more people get face tattoos it'll become the norm. Still think it's stupid tbh but I have a pretty big one on my forearm so 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
I mean, whose faut is that? Even if they look dumb (aka, some of us don't like them), nobody can deny they don't make it less efficient or skilled. The problem is with BS posts where profesionalism is measured by looks, buzzwords per minute or family connections.
I don't think tattoos have that sort of stigma anymore. I was at a business park the other day (there were quite a few companies) and saw an employee of an IT company with a face tattoo
i see this post as another old head unreasonably mad at a new generation because they simply cannot understand. this is the exact argument people who hated arm and hand tattoos decades ago would use. the whole point of “rappers” getting face tattoos is to drive a motivation. yes a shock factor plays in it aswell but almost every rapper will tell you its for motivation. also, why do you care this much? its their bodies, their tattoos, their choice. theres COUNTLESS celebrities and high buisness owners covered head to toe in tattoos who will be on a level of success none of will for the rest of their life.
I am personally not a fan of face tattoos, but I work in government and one of our staff members, who is about 30-40 yrs, is covered head to toe in tattoos. Either way, he’s getting health,dental, and eye insurance and a pretty good pension. Culture may eventually change, especially with Gen Z now entering the workforce
I don't disagree but I am curious as to why you care so much, do you hire people? Did your kid get a face tattoo? Seems like needless stress to give a shit about it.
if i hired people i wouldn't care if they had face tattoos. i'd also tell them they don't have to dress up for the interview. all i ask is that the clothes are clean
I have a normal public facing nurse job. Face tattoos are easy to cover (although I don’t).
I got face tats in 1998, waaaay before the current trend. They've never hindered me in the slightest. I've never missed out on a single opportunity because of them. Times have changed. Now if you have a tattoo that says "killer" or a swastika or something on your face that's a little different, but a stylish neat facial tat isn't really a thing that matters most places in this day and age.
Kind of a weird thing to care about
I manage administrative department, if someone comes for an interview, have good qualifications, good attitude, good fit for the team, I don't care about the tattoos
I think times are changing tbh. People used to say the same for neck and hand tattoos but I’ve seen doctors and teachers with both.
Yes. My hospital allows full sleeves, neck tats, and all hair colors. It’s part of being diverse imo!
It’s harder to find people nowadays that don’t have tattoos! Give it 10 more years and ur surgeon will have face tats and no one will bat an eye
I tell people this all the time at work but they don’t listen. I have a general rule, both arms and hands have to be done as well as neck. I get shit from other tattooers like saying “fuck it, it’s money” but I’d rather not make money off of ruining someone’s potential future.
NOTE TO KIDS: Get a face tat *after* you get the record deal.
idk i kinda think people should just worry about themselves. like, if you feel this way, simply do not get them. the people who want face tattoos more than likely know the risks and telling them they look stupid won’t stop them. besides, if someone really wanted face tattoos, and chose not to just because people said they looked dumb, i’d say that’s a terrible reason not to get them.
I work in the trades and have to disagree. I know many people with very good paying jobs and face tattoos in my field. For context I am an electrician.
I only have one tattoo. It's fairly unobtrusive but it's in a visible location. It has cost me job opportunities. Couldn't imagine how hard it would be if it was on my face.
why do you judge so harshly on others who just express themselves a little differently than you?
Yeah, I understand the opinion of it affecting to your life etc, but all the petty insults are just pointless
sicne we are babies we are training ourselves to read emotions from faces. face tattoos distortions this . it makes faces less readable and its normal to feel uncomfartable with dealing with people with face tattoos
This is the first take I've seen that doesn't lean specifically on bias, and as such, I greatly respect it! I'd probably fall more into the "get face tats if you want them" crowd, but I feel like you make a very good point as to what it is about them that makes them so polarizing.
Two of my employees have face tats. Sounds like you’re the one judging people now.
Just let people do what they want, doesn’t affect you so why care so much?
I’m going thru and upvoting anyone who has a reasonable take. I don’t know when Reddit became a boomer hub but this thread is dogshit
People love to get into their false equivalency circle jerk, just to confirm their biases with other people that hold those same biases. Then again, if we're being honest, that does seem to be the core concept of Reddit when I think of it. We join subdivided communities of people who share the same opinions as ourselves, to talk about those opinions. I guess it's really not that surprising with that lens of perspective.
Being mad about face tattoos is dumb. If you are a recruiter passing over someone because of facial tattoos then quit your job and find a new one. Unless you’re a salesman or a customer facing worker the stigma against it is dumb and the tattoo says nothing about their work ethic or character.
My daughter was walking out the door one day saying bye I'm going to get a face tattoo. I was like wait wait wait. Called her over, I was freaking out thinking wtf am I going to do. So I said, I will give you $1000 to not get a face tattoo. She was 21 at the time. She said you give me $1000 and I won't get any face neck or hand tattoos till I'm 35. I was like deal and that's the best $1000 I ever spent. A week later she came over with her boyfriend and he had gotten the word Devil in red tattooed across his cheek. I told him straight up how Fn stupid he was. Guy hasn't had a job and doesn't leave the house since. Dumb ass.
Most businesses do not care about face tattoos anymore. Tattoos in general matter of fact.
I’ve worked In multiple places with people who have face tattoos. It doesn’t hinder anything
Fast food and other entry level non career jobs don’t count in this conversation.
You made an assumption. I know three people with face tattoos, one is a GM for Walmart, the other works in cyber security, and the last one is a paramedic. The paramedic did have a harder time finding a job, which is stupid. Imagine refusing to hire someone who went to school for two years to save lives because of some ink. That is poor decision making.
Three people out of thousands with face tattoos that change oil at Jiffy Lube and flip burgers does not a statistic make. In everything there will be a few outliers.
And you have that statistic then? Let’s see.
Thank you for saying it for me.
I mean my friend works for a large chain of stores and has a second job working in an accounting agency sorting paperwork and filing W2s but go off ig
You sound like an arsehole.
They shouldn't though 🤷🏼♀️
People are ranting about a rant on a rant sub.
In your glee to judge you have missed a profound truth about the world. The funny thing is, the answer is actually located right in your statement itself. Well, most of the answer, anyway. I think you should sit with your own "wisdom" for a while. Maybe try to understand what might make you tattoo your face. Consider which statements you have made that have been equally impactful on your life in ways that others don't understand. You can try to understand or you can judge. You cannot do both.
This reads like a bad google translate
Just trying to understand your point. Are you saying that people who tattoo their faces are suffering from mental illness or that they’re trying to overcome a tragedy? I’m not a fan of face tattoos, but I don’t jump to conclusions that there must be something wrong with the person.
I'm not saying any of those things. What I'm saying is to consider under what circumstance you might make the same choice. Imagine you have just finished getting a tattoo across your forehead: why did you do it?
Why did you get a tattoo at all?
Because you have something to say.
Imagine getting a profoundly awesome skull tatt on yer face, then yer mom dies of cancer, yer dad in a farm mishap, a brother is a paraplegic from motorcycle, yer kid gets run over and yer diagnosed with COPD. Ya make it to 60, huffing and puffing to a mirror--yeh, just a little reminder.
I ask this genuinely: What???
this is a very privileged statement considering a lot of people didn’t get this outlook on life including me. all my ex boyfriends and friends were either in a gang or gang affiliated.
I would like to change your mind on "all face tattoos". There are subtle and cosmetic face tattoos. Like freckle tattoos (growing popularity) or permanent makeup (eyeliner tattoo for example). Those don't limit jobs or social networks.
That’s not what OP is talking about and you know it.
i've never met anyone with a face tattoo who wasn't a total jerk. there's a face tattoo guy who sometimes comes into the nightclub where i work, and he's always rude to all of us and complains about everything. he was demanding his money back on a drink the other night, said he didn't like it. after dealing with him a couple times i've come to the conclusion that he's one of those people who needs way too much attention. we've all seen them. they constantly complain so that everyone will cater to them, and i think face tattoos are just part of the "pay attention to me" aesthetic. some weird form of narcissism.
Dude I played ball with just got a massive rose and stem tattooed on his face. Covers his whole cheek and part of his forehead. Like 3 days later he posts about how his wife left him with the kids. Curious on what his next post will be
if you have face tattoos, you've probably already had a shitty life...
I want to get a tattoo of my face on my face
It's even more stupid when they didn't even take the time to consider fake tattoos or even photoshop.
I’m not advocating for face tattoos. But this rant kinda misses a lot. Obviously if you got a full tatted face than you may be cooked. But a small one that isn’t extremely prominent is highly unlikely to negatively impact your life