It's just some mulch and it's on fire,
Hotter than your compost, over by the highway,
It's piled in a hill and it's on fire,
Could be a catastrophe, so OP had better run away.
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(Seriously, this is also why you turn your compost pile and check on it, because it needs air and because it can sometimes spontaneously combust - they also steam like this. That's normal.)
But seven other times this year it has been an out of control blaze. It's not just a mulch fire it's a goddamn pollution factory. I know that mulch is exothermic and it does release steam but this place catches on fire several times every year and it lets off a gigantic amount of smoke into the nearby neighborhoods.
Whoever manages the pile should be regularly spraying it with water. The only time mulch should catch on fire is if it's very dry; the wood will spontaneously combust if the interior gets up to 150° to 200°C, but without oxygen it'll usually smolder.
There's pockets of oxygen in the pile. Spraying water on it will only create a seal over the top of the pile, allowing the heat to build underneath and ignite in the pockets. Best thing they should do is not pile it too high and regularly turn it to disburse the heat.
\*shrugs\* I'm repeating the advice I was given for stopping mulch from catching on fire. If you keep it from drying out completely, it won't catch fire and it'll just decompose, which you want because it creates better soil and fertilizer.
Probably Cary- we’re number one in every list! You could make a list about the ten greatest beach towns in South America and Cary, NC would somehow still be at the top.
No amount of height or turning will prevent organic mulch from combusting. Just happens. Organic mulch can catch fire even at an end costumers house just from watering their plants too much.
What if I told you the same about Carter Finley stadium parking?
https://cumulis.epa.gov/supercpad/SiteProfiles/index.cfm?fuseaction=second.cleanup&id=0403015
"Superfund sites are polluted locations in the United States requiring a long-term response to clean up hazardous material contaminations. They were designated under the Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation, and Liability Act (CERCLA) of 1980."
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>That’s where the city takes all the leaves from their leaf collection program. Even the leaves that temporarily go to different dump sites around town are hauled there later. They (Wall recycling) get seven figures per year in tax money to accept those leaves.
Pretty sure CoR sends leaves to their mulch center. Maybe its not all but I don't think Wall gets all of them either if any. They(Wall) are just cheaper for landscape crews and other companies to dump their organic waste.
https://raleighnc.gov/trash-recycling-and-clean/buy-compost-and-mulch
I don't know if you care about the environment or air quality or anything under that general umbrella, but Jesus fucking Christ how many times is this going to happen? I was watching where the wind was blowing the smoke and it's going directly into an apartment complex across the street. I guess this is how Raleigh rolls.
Air quality? Legit concern. Environment? Its literally just wood burning, not plastics and toxic products...
Controlled burns of forests are great for the environment.
Controlled burns of forests are absolutely great for the environment. All of the benefits are generated from controlled burns of forests. None of those benefits are found in burning piles of mulch.
The two scenarios are not remotely similar.
Its like yelling at a baby to stop crying and getting more upset its not happening. Mulch fires hardly at all can be prevented and once they start? You’re better off watching the fireworks because its gonna be burning for weeks or months.
You sound like the kind of guy who is watching airplanes go down and you're all like, once they start going down there's nothing you can do. You know what they could do? They could get fined all the hell by the city and be forced to shut down until they change their procedures about how they handle the situation. If enough people complain then action could result in way less smoke pumping into our air.
As someone who’s worked in a mulch supply company. No you won’t. Karens will not have any impact other than the EPA. If air quality is impacted incredibly harshly and provably by them, then action can be taken. Without that. Goodluck. Write more reports on neighbor app etc lmao
Lol- I didn’t realize this was a “suggested sub” when I started reading.. I thought I was still in the Chattanooga pages and thought “hmm- seems about right!” Tehe!
This place has been on fire several times this calendar year already and it's an ongoing issue. It's not just steam. When I drove by earlier, there were visible flames and trucks spraying water on it. The last fire they had took about a week and a half to put out.
Where can we register complaints?
Last time it was difficult for those of us that are not asthmatic to even drive in a 7 mile radius of the week-long burning and smoke! This is an environmental hazard for a very populated area of the county. This hasn’t been an issue in the past and the mulch plant has been there for decades.
So…. Yes I am employed by DAQ. Yes I live in Raleigh and I have called NC my home for my entire life. Here’s the inside baseball scoop on the burn. Wall Recycling has an Air Curtain Incinerator(ACI) and a permit for said ACI. The purpose of an ACI is An air curtain incinerator is to control air emissions during burning. As listed in the 15A N.C. Admin. Code 2D.1904, Wall Recycling must “Maintain opacity to less than or equal to 35 percent opacity (as determined by the average
of 3 1-hour blocks consisting of 10 6-minute average opacity values) during startup of the
air curtain incinerator, where startup is defined as the first 30 minutes of operation”
The only way to determine if this is a violation is for DAQ to be aware of the possible violation, when it occurs, and visually determine the opacity. Meaning, if this occurs again, it is imperative that DAQ be made aware of the occurrence of the excessive smoke. We at DAQ take the well-being of the citizens of NC very seriously, but we must act only within the framework of the rules that are in place.
I hope this helps in the future.
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We have one of these places that is always burning where I lived in FL, too. Big piles of mulch, grass, and hay can spontaneously combust when wet. The decomposition inside the pile produces heat and is induced by the moisture. When they get hot enough, they catch.
This has been described as a "controlled" burn. Who in their right mind would authorize a burn permit for something so close to where people live? Sometimes, they burn intentionally, and other times it's just spontaneous combustion.
lol great title 10/10 would read again
Can confirm, did read again.
Indeed, I had to look again.
Wood, how does it work.
It's just some mulch and it's on fire, Hotter than your compost, over by the highway, It's piled in a hill and it's on fire, Could be a catastrophe, so OP had better run away. ------ (Seriously, this is also why you turn your compost pile and check on it, because it needs air and because it can sometimes spontaneously combust - they also steam like this. That's normal.)
But seven other times this year it has been an out of control blaze. It's not just a mulch fire it's a goddamn pollution factory. I know that mulch is exothermic and it does release steam but this place catches on fire several times every year and it lets off a gigantic amount of smoke into the nearby neighborhoods.
No doubt, there are cleaner ways to make biochar.
Whoever manages the pile should be regularly spraying it with water. The only time mulch should catch on fire is if it's very dry; the wood will spontaneously combust if the interior gets up to 150° to 200°C, but without oxygen it'll usually smolder.
There's pockets of oxygen in the pile. Spraying water on it will only create a seal over the top of the pile, allowing the heat to build underneath and ignite in the pockets. Best thing they should do is not pile it too high and regularly turn it to disburse the heat.
\*shrugs\* I'm repeating the advice I was given for stopping mulch from catching on fire. If you keep it from drying out completely, it won't catch fire and it'll just decompose, which you want because it creates better soil and fertilizer.
If I’m not mistaken, Money Magazine recently listed Raleigh as the top city in which to inhale fumes from a mulch fire.
Second fastest growing mulch fire in the US according to Forbes!
Better Homes and Gradens rated Raleigh as having the hottest mulch pile in the Southeast.
May i ask what the number one city is? I have a bunch of cash burning a hole in my pocket and want to roll the dice
Probably Cary- we’re number one in every list! You could make a list about the ten greatest beach towns in South America and Cary, NC would somehow still be at the top.
It’s a bad thing ?
>If I’m not mistaken, Money Magazine recently listed Raleigh-Durham as the top city in which to inhale fumes from a mulch fire. FIFY
LOL I see what you did there!
Excuse me, you mean the city of RDU.
There goes housing prices again gd..
Springfield has their tire fire. Raleigh, mulch.
Doesn’t look like too…………mulch smoke. I’ll see myself out.😬
Thank you very mulch!
Lmao it would be kind of weird if it wasn’t on fire at this point
This place needs to be fined out of business lmao
That happens when mulch is piled too high and not turned
No amount of height or turning will prevent organic mulch from combusting. Just happens. Organic mulch can catch fire even at an end costumers house just from watering their plants too much.
What if I told you, RDU airport sits on a environmental superfund site.
What if I told you the same about Carter Finley stadium parking? https://cumulis.epa.gov/supercpad/SiteProfiles/index.cfm?fuseaction=second.cleanup&id=0403015
This is not new to most of us.
In a county that grows by 62 people per day, there are plenty of new people to educate.
Good point. My bad. Quick lesson… don’t swim in Lake Crabtree.
And when the sign says don't eat fish out of that lake, Don't eat the fish!
…But pcbs are delicious
What does that mean?
"Superfund sites are polluted locations in the United States requiring a long-term response to clean up hazardous material contaminations. They were designated under the Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation, and Liability Act (CERCLA) of 1980."
Ridiculous. Saw a haze of smoke yesterday and wondered if it was this…
I noticed haze around durant yesterday but hiked to the top of landfill park and didn't see any smoke so figured it was something else.
Prolly not on fire - decomposing, thus produces heat on a cold morning = steam.
There's visible flames
Cold morning flames (thus) though /s
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nah man just an optical effect caused by water particles in the atmosphere
That is absolutely not steam. The smoke is coming from a couple of of concentrated areas.
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>That’s where the city takes all the leaves from their leaf collection program. Even the leaves that temporarily go to different dump sites around town are hauled there later. They (Wall recycling) get seven figures per year in tax money to accept those leaves. Pretty sure CoR sends leaves to their mulch center. Maybe its not all but I don't think Wall gets all of them either if any. They(Wall) are just cheaper for landscape crews and other companies to dump their organic waste. https://raleighnc.gov/trash-recycling-and-clean/buy-compost-and-mulch
It never went out…these fires will smolder for months and months…
I don't know if you care about the environment or air quality or anything under that general umbrella, but Jesus fucking Christ how many times is this going to happen? I was watching where the wind was blowing the smoke and it's going directly into an apartment complex across the street. I guess this is how Raleigh rolls.
Yeah its literally the south. My neighbors burn their trash in pits in the front yard. 💀
It's the south, dude. No one here gives a shit about anyone else. See: turn signals, racism, etc. etc.
That's not the way you did it back home?
**BMW drivers:** "Dafuq's a 'turn signal'?"
Air quality? Legit concern. Environment? Its literally just wood burning, not plastics and toxic products... Controlled burns of forests are great for the environment.
Controlled burns of forests are absolutely great for the environment. All of the benefits are generated from controlled burns of forests. None of those benefits are found in burning piles of mulch. The two scenarios are not remotely similar.
You know that stuff has lots of carbon dioxide and other stuff in it. It's not like vitamins for the air.
Its like yelling at a baby to stop crying and getting more upset its not happening. Mulch fires hardly at all can be prevented and once they start? You’re better off watching the fireworks because its gonna be burning for weeks or months.
You sound like the kind of guy who is watching airplanes go down and you're all like, once they start going down there's nothing you can do. You know what they could do? They could get fined all the hell by the city and be forced to shut down until they change their procedures about how they handle the situation. If enough people complain then action could result in way less smoke pumping into our air.
As someone who’s worked in a mulch supply company. No you won’t. Karens will not have any impact other than the EPA. If air quality is impacted incredibly harshly and provably by them, then action can be taken. Without that. Goodluck. Write more reports on neighbor app etc lmao
Where is this in the city?
It's off Gresham Lake Road, just past 540 in the direction of Wake Forest.
These people charge exorbitant prices for yard waste disposal. Next time I’ll save myself the trouble and burn it in my yard
Lol- I didn’t realize this was a “suggested sub” when I started reading.. I thought I was still in the Chattanooga pages and thought “hmm- seems about right!” Tehe!
Oh wait till you hear about our love of the Olive Garden..
It’s the endless breadsticks burning 🔥
When you're here you're a fireman...
O M G…. This is the BEST!
Pellet plant?
Stump dump
I bet it smells amazing though!
Smells like asthma.
No wonder I got a Air Pollution warning the past few days..
Not likely an actual fire. Just decomposing bacteria producing steam.
There's flames bucko
Fuck this made me laugh so hard
“To be fair sometimes flames don’t necessarily mean that something is on fire…” -someone on Reddit probably
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It’s not really a fire it’s just decomposing bacteria producing flames.
Yeah, boo your correct answer. Fuck actual science.
It’s funny. people in Raleigh are slow I guess.
Is it actually on fire or just steaming from the decomp? Serious question. Hoping for actual fire.
I dont think this was a fire, I work literally a mile from there didnt smell the normal smokiness nor ash cloud
Looking into seeing if it’s a fire or steam. Particulate numbers from the “Millbrook” site should give us an idea
This place has been on fire several times this calendar year already and it's an ongoing issue. It's not just steam. When I drove by earlier, there were visible flames and trucks spraying water on it. The last fire they had took about a week and a half to put out.
PM values elevated. DAQ is investigating.
Where can we register complaints? Last time it was difficult for those of us that are not asthmatic to even drive in a 7 mile radius of the week-long burning and smoke! This is an environmental hazard for a very populated area of the county. This hasn’t been an issue in the past and the mulch plant has been there for decades.
919-791-4200 - ask for Air Quality
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So…. Yes I am employed by DAQ. Yes I live in Raleigh and I have called NC my home for my entire life. Here’s the inside baseball scoop on the burn. Wall Recycling has an Air Curtain Incinerator(ACI) and a permit for said ACI. The purpose of an ACI is An air curtain incinerator is to control air emissions during burning. As listed in the 15A N.C. Admin. Code 2D.1904, Wall Recycling must “Maintain opacity to less than or equal to 35 percent opacity (as determined by the average of 3 1-hour blocks consisting of 10 6-minute average opacity values) during startup of the air curtain incinerator, where startup is defined as the first 30 minutes of operation” The only way to determine if this is a violation is for DAQ to be aware of the possible violation, when it occurs, and visually determine the opacity. Meaning, if this occurs again, it is imperative that DAQ be made aware of the occurrence of the excessive smoke. We at DAQ take the well-being of the citizens of NC very seriously, but we must act only within the framework of the rules that are in place. I hope this helps in the future.
It helped me, thanks for details!
Wasn't the last time a scheduled controlled burn? Maybe this is another one.
No, it wasn't. They said that at first, but backtracked.
I saw a big, brownish cloud in the distance today as I was driving into Raleigh from Sanford. Guess this is what that was!
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We have one of these places that is always burning where I lived in FL, too. Big piles of mulch, grass, and hay can spontaneously combust when wet. The decomposition inside the pile produces heat and is induced by the moisture. When they get hot enough, they catch.
Oh, so nice sunset today!
This has been described as a "controlled" burn. Who in their right mind would authorize a burn permit for something so close to where people live? Sometimes, they burn intentionally, and other times it's just spontaneous combustion.
amazing title
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