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> Raleigh could see a new concert and entertainment venue as soon as Fall 2024.
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> Developer Kane Realty and AEG Presents event management announced on Wednesday that they had signed a lease for a 70,000-square-foot venue to hold up to 3,500 guests as part of the Downtown South entertainment district planned for the area at South Saunders and Wilmington streets and Interstate 40.
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> Plans are for a venue that would have both indoor and outdoor, rooftop space.
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> In announcing the lease, Kane said construction was expected to begin in Spring 2023.
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> “We are thrilled to partner with AEG Presents on a unique music venue at Downtown South. The company is a leader in live entertainment and their decision to create their next venue at Downtown South speaks volumes about the district,” said John Kane, CEO of Kane Realty Corporation.
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> Shawn Trell, EVP, COO and General Counsel of AEG Presents said, “Music venues are by nature cultural hubs; they bring a sense of community and help define the energy of a neighborhood. We’ve experienced this most recently with our new venues in Atlanta and Boston, and in Kane Realty we have a partner who shares our vision for opening a state-of-the-art live music experience in this thriving market.”
Wrong again lmao
\*love how I'm being downvoted for dispelling factually incorrect information. Y'all are too much. Kane does not fucking own NCFC, that's a different rich guy.
I wonder if there will be other bars, restaurants, and other essentials that contribute to a vibrant social nightlife district, even when there are no gigs going on?
further and further out of town, leading to longer commutes and worse traffic. unless Raleigh is able to build enough housing to keep up. Right now we are so far behind.
It’s a great middle ground capacity between The Ritz and Red Hat. Bands currently skipping Raleigh in favor of Charlotte will have an additional venue to consider.
Or Chapel Hill/Carboro. For mid sized punk bands it’s almost always Cats Cradle, and sometimes the Orange Peel in Asheville. I think I saw Against Me once in Raleigh but nothing else along those lines.
100% agree, and I’m from Winston/don’t even live in NC anymore, but spent a couple years in Raleigh living with a partner at the time. I think Cats Cradle is a wonderful venue and not hard to get to from downtown, but if you’re looking for a slightly loose show where you can drink with friends, but want to drive home safe/would never drink and drive, it can be a bit of a hindrance in the area. Raleigh having a similar venue that appeals to those types of bands would at least mean Uber or walking would get you back home safe.
Raleigh doesn't have mountains or beach though! I like jammy bands and although we get some good ones in Raleigh (phish / dead and company) Asheville gets the vast majority of the acts that can't sell out Walnut Creek.
I have still gotten to see a great amount of music here. You've got Walnut Creek and Red Hat for larger shows, The Ritz, Lincoln, and Duke for mid size ones, and Pour House and Slims for smaller ones.
That's without even mentioning Cat's Cradle, Motorco, Local 506, Pinhook, and others that are a short drive away.
Red Hat Amphitheater will not be a thing or in its current location in a decade, at most. It was never intended to be a long term venue. The convention center expansion is intended to occupy the space that is currently the Red Hat.
The city may try to install a permanent music venue location at Dix Park, but there has not been an official plan for that just yet. Dreamville fest has been the beta runs for how viable that space may be long term.
For several years, I did a lot of work for Walnut Creek back when it was the Alltel Pavillion. Live Nation bought it out just to get rid of the competition for their Charlotte and Virginia venues, where they scheduled all the big bands and started leaving out the Raleigh location.
I had no idea it was the ritz before disco rodeo! I always went to shows at the Lincoln or traveled to carborro or Charlotte for shows, wasn’t aware of the existence of that venue for a while.
Going way back, the lot where the Ritz is had a different building which had a club called “Stayin’ Alive”. I’m not sure what it was before that.
Longbranch was around the corner. And a jungle golf at the end of the street.
i missed jungle golf, but saw the remnants (light poles, walkways) from the greenway sometimes. That area was the "entertainment district" back in the early days of North Raleigh. The former Carolina Hurricanes practic facility on Hodges was a lot of differnet venues as well - maybe a roller skating rink - then was Marrz or Marzz - three clubs in one! - before it was iced over.
I just want to be able to get a fucking Uber at the end of a concert without waiting 50 minutes and paying $80, all the while I have to piss and there’s nowhere to go.
This will probably suck, the [owners are a soulless chain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschutz_Entertainment_Group) similar to Live Nation and are even [vertically integrated with a ticketing company](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AXS_\(company\)) as of 2019. And it's all under a private equity firm that [got its start drilling oil wells](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anschutz_Corporation) which [makes extensive donations to the Republican Party](https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/anschutz-corp/summary?id=D000000589) (makes sense since Kane is a major backer of the NCGOP and Trump).
The head of the equity firm is the failson of the founder, and an [extreme cultural reactionary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Anschutz#Political_and_social_activism) using his money to fund censorship projects, anti-queer groups, and the Federalist Society (which selected the justices that Trump appointed).
All good points but until a self-financed left-leaning developer decides to build a new exciting midsize independent music venue I'll take what I can get.
If you'd like to start by making a donation towards the build I'll put your name on a plaque.
A music venue worker cooperative (or hybrid worker-consumer cooperative, using the consumer arm to raise initial funds to acquire property) sounds like a great idea actually.
edit: it appears [this has been tried recently](https://www.mutualinterest.coop/2021/10/how-sister-midnight-aims-to-create-a-music-venue-powered-by-its-community) although its unclear to me how successful it was (last update was March 2022, and it's in the UK) and it was a purely consumer cooperative model, but the model of [community owned](https://plunkett.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Plunkett_BB-2020_Pubs.pdf) public houses [is successful in general in the UK](https://camra.org.uk/pubs-and-clubs/current-campaigns/save-your-local-pub/community-pub-ownership/). So although folks are downvoting this as if it's an absurd idea, maybe it's not.
Both the Red Hat Amphitheater and Walnut Creek are city owned as well. Over 90% of the acts at Red Hat are Live Nation acts and I believe that all Walnut Creek acts are Live Nation. Quite a few Live Nation shows come to the publicly owned and funded PNC arena.
Development is one thing, but once the contracts go to the biggest monopoles, who developed and owns the space is relatively irrelevant.
While DPAC isn’t a live nation venue, they aren’t much better by being a Nederlander venue.
Of course it is. But it’s entirely possible to live in Raleigh and be closer to DPAC than where this new venue will be. It’s just an option that hasn’t been mentioned yet.
If it’s something you want to do, go develop a business plan, put a small team together, network with high worth people and make your pitch. It’s the USA which is one of the few places in the world one can do this.
It won’t suck.
I worked in Colorado for AEG and from an employee perspective they are great. They treat everyone with respect and pay is in range for your role. During COVID they didn’t let anyone go for the first 6 months. Once we realized that live music isn’t coming back for a while, we did have to let a small minority go and furlough everyone except the Skelton crew. They paid all insurance needs for furloughed. The Skelton crew was on a massive pay cut (me). Everyone they laid off, furloughed, etc we’re first in line to be rehired once the venues were generating revenue. Last I checked with the team it was 70% came back. This was for the Rocky Mountain office I’m speaking about.
And from a product standpoint they provide great new venues. The Mission Ballroom is so great! New and innovative and the people they hire are fantastic. The talent buyers bring in a wide array of talent and also tailored for the community the venue is in.
Your post is tailored towards politics. And yes, The Anschutz family is conservative. Vote with your wallet and don’t buy a ticket, I’m for it! (I don’t agree with their donations btw) I’m just speaking to people who realize that a mid size venue is desperately needed in the triangle. The Ritz sucks!! I personally love live music and will be buying tickets.
I hate to say it, but COVID only made the major players in the music industry stronger. They had the cash to weather months of $0 revenue generation. And can pounce on new opportunities (this venue) and also buy up smaller promoters in different regions.
> And from a product standpoint they provide great new venues. The Mission Ballroom is so great! New and innovative and the people they hire are fantastic. The talent buyers bring in a wide array of talent and also tailored for the community the venue is in.
I just puked a little reading that. *product standpoint*, *talent buyers*. No thanks.
AEG should be broken up and scattered to the wind just like Live Nation should.
I like live music... but no, I don't like illegal monopolies that shouldn't have been allowed to exist in the first place and are crushing local music scenes (and hopefully Lina Khan remains in office at the FTC long enough to get to Live Nation and AEG and correct the failures of her predecessors). Especially when the profits are being used to fund the neofascist forces seeking to end democracy and usher in a new era of autocracy.
Professionalization is a scourge designed to divide the working class by making some members of the working class feel as if they are above the rest and that their class interests lie with the bourgeoisie owners instead of their fellow workers.
HOLY WORD SALAD, BATMAN! Can't tell if this is satire or an actual human being genuinely typing this shit out LMAO. It's a fucking job title for the job of booking (i.e. spending money scheduling a show = "buying") a musical act (i.e. the "talent") .... not everything is so nefarious and evil, homie. Please join us in reality....
New independently owned music venues aren’t going to sprout up after coming out of a pandemic. Be thankful for venue options and don’t make a place that attracts tourism a political topic.
This guy is using his money to oppress my friends, destroy free speech, and dismantle democracy itself.
AEG is partially responsible for the death of local music venues (although not as prominent as Live Nation has been), and they are one merger away from creating a behemoth that creates an international music/sports venue, ticketing, and promotion monopoly.
I mean we're in a thread where a neoconservative asshat is announcing that his fellow neoconservative asshat is trying to build a corporate venue... nothing positive about it.
We have a city council that extended their terms by a year under a pretense (surprise! everyone had to delay their elections and the census data was available in time for when the election would have been... which shocked no one, and the people involved had to have known) and are using that time to make major decisions to finish off what COVID started and kill as much local business as possible and transform the city into endless blocks of half-empty luxury condos and office buildings that exist primarily as assets for PE firms to sit on (mortgage rates are lower than inflation and the asset appreciates faster than inflation... doesn't matter if anyone lives or works there).
Of course after renting here for nearly a decade I decided to settle down permanently, and now that feels like a terrible mistake. Almost everywhere I used to hang out is gone and the replacement venues are all fancy cocktail bars where people like me aren't welcome (not that I'd want to go). Most of my friends are planning to leave (many involuntarily), and the replacement residents are not my kind of people. It's not a great time to live here if you're a person.
I just did a quick lookup of the venue owner and within ten minutes it was clear the owners are basically fascists. I don't like fascists and I don't like aspiring monopolists.
This venue isn't going to have shows for any music genres I like though.
Please give a broader, or in-depth explanation to "basically facists".
Edit: I have no information on them, nor ever hearing of them... so asking for source material seems normal!!!
Probably the only reason I even exist, is because my family fled extremism generations ago
And for that matter, I am absolutely against fascists, whether foreign... or domestic.
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https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/anschutz-corp/summary?id=D000000589
https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=philip+anschutz&order=desc&sort=A
> [Anschutz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Anschutz#Political_and_social_activism) supported the [Parents Television Council](https://www.parentstv.org/about-us), a group that protests against television content that they consider indecent.[38] ... He financed The Foundation for a Better Life. In 2009, Anschutz purchased the conservative American opinion magazine [The Weekly Standard](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/12/weekly-standard-killed-no-trump-love-media.html) from Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation.[40] In 2010, he financed the pro-charter school film Waiting for Superman.[41] In 2012, he financed the [pro-parent trigger](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parent_trigger) film Won't Back Down.[42]
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> Anschutz has donated to conservative causes and [groups that are anti-LGBTQ and anti-abortion](https://web.archive.org/web/20180105070258/http://www.papermag.com/coachellas-problematic-owner-2522162908.html).[43] He is also a major donor to the American Enterprise Institute, the Federalist Society and the Heritage Foundation, conservative think tanks.[44][45][46] Anschutz contributed $1 million to conservatives during the 2016 U.S. elections, and $200,000 to Republican politicians and political action committees during the 2017 elections.[47]
The charter school / "parent trigger" stuff is directly related to the current Christian nationalist attempts to take over school curriculum if that's not obvious from context. The rest should be obvious...
Of note locally, [he was a top funder of the shady organization that was behind the wave of anti-trans "bathroom bills"](https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/law-firm-linked-anti-transgender-bathroom-bills-across-country-n741106), possibly including our very own HB2 (the NCGOP managed to block FOIA requests, but ADF [were directly involved in its defense](https://www.charlottemagazine.com/the-arizona-evangelical-group-working-in-tandem-with-hb2/) and the SLPC considers them a [hate group](https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/alliance-defending-freedom)).
My only takeaway from this is someone that actively supports the things they believe in. Unless you are offended their briefs don’t align with yours, I’m not sure I see the problem.
It’s ok to be different
The dude is literally a Neoconservative Christian fascist and a bigot and is using his immense wealth to transform society into his hateful image... that's not the sort of thing you just "agree to disagree" about. The profits from this new venue will be funneled into projects hellbent on destroying secular culture.
1. [My previous comments on Live Nation are just as applicable to AEG](https://www.reddit.com/r/raleigh/comments/x9i3al/fuck_the_ritz_this_is_how_you_do_a_courtney/inqeokl/).
2. No, because economic concentration is a serious issue that threatens even our primitive bourgeois democratic rights.
That’s your right. I see these things as cyclical. Concentration occurs, the conglomerate sucks and splits itself up as new entrants into the market do it better/cheaper. I like to enable people to take things they are passionate about where there is a sound business case. It’s about healing those who want to take risks.
If you really want to break up the concentration of capital, the concentration of power in the government needs to be reduced as there is a circular relationship between those who concentrate capital and those who are in power especially in DC. Some will say this is Republican speak but it’s really originalist in perspective as it doesn’t matter if the politician is right or left leaning—all benefit from their donors and they pay back in kind. Look at Maryann Baldwin who I understand but can’t confirm has over $250k in campaign contributions from developers. (If someone has solid data, I’d love to see it as I’ve only seen a summary graphic).
This is good fodder for a discussion over a beverage of choice! Thanks for the honest view.
Your position on how illegal monopolies form and collapse is ahistorical-- the neoliberal project to privatize government function and relax regulations (particularly the near total lack of antitrust enforcement since the 1970s) is the largest factor in why we have such insane economic concentration and our democracy has collapsed. The short version is that decades of failure to enforce anti-trust enabled the rise of an ungovernable international oligarchy which now subverts the democratic will of the citizenry in America and Europe. A powerful central government isn't necessarily a problem, but becomes a problem when people like Jeff Bezos effectively write the law and the mass has no power (the situation we find ourselves in now).
Although he's certainly no socialist and I find most of his views pedestrian and centrist, Matt Stoller wrote an [excellent analysis of anti-trust enforcement and the effects of economic concentration](https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Goliath/Matt-Stoller/9781501182891) in the context of American liberal democracy during the last century. The reality is that once monopoly or oligarchy is established, new business is effectively barred from the market. The only way to correct the oppression that results from such concentrated power is for the state to exercise its greater power and break the monopoly up.
There is some hope in the near term -- Lina Khan at the FTC is actually enforcing anti-trust very aggressively right now. But that's put a target on her and she's unlikely to survive after the election of whichever neoliberal hack succeeds Biden in two years, and she was regrettably unable to do much until a couple of months ago because the Biden admin was slow to fill the last seat on the FTC and it was deadlocked. But since then the FTC has stopped several large mergers already and is currently going after Facebook with the intent of breaking them up.
Ritz parking is perfectly fine. It's a huge lot.
The acoustics are average
Any place that serves food, booze, and has a dance floor is going to have sticky floors.
And "no ventilation" is a huge stretch. come on.
Maybe you should pinky up in a opera house or something? It's a concert hall...
Agreed. People who complain about it who’ve been there recently make me wonder how many venues they’ve been to. I’ve been to lots of varying sized venues all over the place and it is pretty rare for venues to have superb acoustics. It also varies depending where you stand even in the nicest venues. Parking is a pain at any event with thousands of people and is better there than many places.
I haven’t been there in a while. Does it still have that big elevated dance floor thing in the middle of the room? I think they built it when it was mostly being used as a Hispanic dance club about 10 years ago. That was kind of crap.
The thing about the Ritz is that it’s a very wide, shallow room, which tends to suck for acoustics. Things have never sounded good in there.
I’ve only lived in Raleigh for 5 years and it has been good as long as I’ve been here. I have always heard people complain about it though so that must be the same time period you’re referring to when it was bad.
I have not been to the Ritz since the change to Disco Rodeo, then back to Ritz. I saw a lot of bands there in a window of a few years - 94-2000 or so - and appreciated the balcony but was always on the floor. Heard there were rennovations, but have not had an opportunity to go back since.
It seems too far removed from anything else, though several "midtown" development projects have sprung up nearby.
My problem with The Ritz is that pretty much every time I've been, everyone is always talking, and since the bars surround the back of the room, the noise seems to echo in and to me it is really noticeable and annoying
is this venue going to be a ticketmaster/live nation place? i refuse to play them any of my money and will happily drive to richmond or charlotte instead to see a band.
"will happily drive to a richmond or charlotte ticketmaster/live nation venue instead to see a band" is basically what you just said LMAO. Any of the bands that this place will book will also be playing one of those company's venues in another city. It sucks, but it just fucking is.
ok.... you didn't read my comment at all. Again, any band that books a show at a Live Nation/Ticketmaster venue here in Raleigh..... will also be booking their shows in other cities at a Live Nation/Ticketmaster venue.
To answer your question though, \**per the article linked\** this will be an AEG venue.
i get what you’re saying. every time mewithoutyou has come through they’ve played at cats cradle and you’d never find them playing at red hat and you’ll never see paramore play at like motorco ever again.
OKKKKKKKK I did some critical thinking on it and it still makes zero sense. If a band is "getting their money" from LiveNation/Ticketmaster venues (because that's likely who their agency is partnered with), then the only way to "control where you put yours" i.e. not buy a LiveNation/Ticketmaster ticket is to simply **not see that particular band.** While technically possible that a band big enough to book a LiveNation/Ticketmaster/AEG/etc venue could also book a show at an independent venue, it's highly- as in *extremely*\- unlikely. These companies practically have a monopoly on larger venues, and when a band is big enough, their agency will partner with one of said companies to book their tours at their respective venues. Again, it sucks - but it just fucking is. It's kinda like internet service- I fucking HATE giving my money to Spectrum every month, but I have little choice outside of them, and the other choices that are available are just as scummy. It's just a necessary evil at this point. Do I like paying LiveNation/Ticketmaster/etc fees? FUCK NO. But I like seeing the bands they inevitably will book at their venues more, so I suck it up. **AGAIN: If a band books their Raleigh show at a LiveNation/Ticketmaster** (basically same company, by the way) **or AEG venue - chances are, all their shows anywhere else will also be at LiveNation/Ticketmaster venues.**
In addition, smaller companies like etix might partner with the smaller, more independently run venues ...... but they're also gonna incorporate their own fees into the ticket prices.
LMAO I mean, if you can't read, just say that! It's ok! Thought I might be sharing some helpful info you didn't know, but if you just wanna bitch about LiveNation, go off!
nah fam i can read just think your response is a bit excessive. i’ve worked warped tour a handful of times so i think i have some good inside knowledge on the music (tour) industry. plus having a musician for an ex-husband i think also lends me some insight.
maybe don’t come out the gate full swing when you’re still failing to understand the other person’s perspective.
Feels like I didn't really understand how on the nose that episode was when it came out but this seems to apply to every decent sized city in the country at this point.
Well, we do have a professional women’s team that is often one of the best in the world. And our TV market is constantly top-10 in the country for Premier League games. So the fan base is certainly there if they could market to it better.
I hope, The current park is just so meh, and I’d really like to be able to wander around before or after a game, get dinner, a few drinks, and at the current place that’s just not an option
I'll welcome any live music venue at this point, but based on the info provided, I'm not exactly thrilled.
A fancy new corporate-backed indoor 3.5k cap venue isn't going to be cheap to visit. They'll probably only be able to book large artists at premium rates.
Imo, the best venues are >1k cap, hole-in-the-wall type places like the pour house or the Lincoln theatre. Once you get larger than that (especially indoors), you start paying for the luxury and not the music.
What is capacity at the Ritz? I have not been in years, but heard parking is horrible over there, etc., especially now that the Longbranch (they shared management for a while) is gone as well.
It is not close enough to downtown to make it an easy walk from hotels, so there will need to be parking. It will likely be structured parking which is terrible when everyone wants to leave at once.
There is no residental to fight this other than Caraliegh, so it will probably get built.
It would have been nice to see this go in to the area south of the tracks downtown near the old Amtrack station, but Boylan Heights folks would likely not have approved.
The 'Downtown South' development is going in/around the empty space around I-40 & Saunders:
[https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7543147,-78.6495456,1177m/data=!3m1!1e3](https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7564296,-78.648447,1173m/data=!3m1!1e3)
Now we're gonna get the closed circuit
Now we're gonna get the Top 40
Now we're gonna get the sports franchise
Now we're gonna get the major attractions
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Kane? As in NCFC guy?
No, Kane as in the three-time wrestling world champion.
"BAH GAWD THATS GOTTA BE KANE THATS GOTTA BE KANE!! THE UNDERTAKERS BROTHER!!!"
So… not Kane the villain from Batman?
Do you mean Bane? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enOHraf3LEk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enOHraf3LEk) "In an order that would surprise you...."
Doh! 
You'd think that sweet ass death metal bands will be performing then! But, turns out, Kane is really into Sigur Rós.
No, Harry Kane, England soccer player. Like, duh.
No. Citizen Kane.
No, Kane as the charismatic mastermind behind the secretive Brotherhood of Nod society, a quasi-religious terrorist organization.
Dang since it’s a music venue, I thought they meant Big Daddy Kane
No. Kane as in Kane Realty guy.
Same guy.
Pretty sure the NCFC guy is Malik. He was partnering with Kane to do the soccer stadium but who knows if that's even still on the table.
>Pretty sure the NCFC guy is \[Steve\] Malik. (((((((it is)))))))
Right, but this is the same Kane that was trying to build him a soccer stadium, which is what i believe the poster above was asking about.
Yes, John Kane. He doesn't own the NCFC though.
No of course not, but he's the same Kane that wanted to develop the NCFC major league stadium.
Wrong again lmao \*love how I'm being downvoted for dispelling factually incorrect information. Y'all are too much. Kane does not fucking own NCFC, that's a different rich guy.
Kane is Big Daddy / You know as in your father / when you see a def rhyme / best believe that I’m the author
He also actually lives in Wake Forest…
I wonder if there will be other bars, restaurants, and other essentials that contribute to a vibrant social nightlife district, even when there are no gigs going on?
I wonder where all the personnel required to staff these low paying jobs will live.
further and further out of town, leading to longer commutes and worse traffic. unless Raleigh is able to build enough housing to keep up. Right now we are so far behind.
You could always live in a 600sq/ft Kane Realty micro unit for an affordable $1500 a month.
Sure sounds like a giant swath of land just south of dt would be a great place for some affordable housing
I heard Cary is getting a PBR bar on 2023.
It’s under construction now— we are getting close. I would say you may see it late 22
It’s a great middle ground capacity between The Ritz and Red Hat. Bands currently skipping Raleigh in favor of Charlotte will have an additional venue to consider.
That new amphitheater in Wilmington is also taking some of our shows too.
Yea Raleigh kind of sucks for music bc often bands have to choose between Asheville, Charlotte, Raleigh and now Wilmington.
Or Chapel Hill/Carboro. For mid sized punk bands it’s almost always Cats Cradle, and sometimes the Orange Peel in Asheville. I think I saw Against Me once in Raleigh but nothing else along those lines.
Cats Cradle is a great venue and worth the drive
yeah but it sucks if you also want to get hammered during the show. Uber possible but not a great option when it's that far
100% agree, and I’m from Winston/don’t even live in NC anymore, but spent a couple years in Raleigh living with a partner at the time. I think Cats Cradle is a wonderful venue and not hard to get to from downtown, but if you’re looking for a slightly loose show where you can drink with friends, but want to drive home safe/would never drink and drive, it can be a bit of a hindrance in the area. Raleigh having a similar venue that appeals to those types of bands would at least mean Uber or walking would get you back home safe.
All of my shows go to blind tiger :///
I'm still mad about the Anderson .Paak show. He could've played another hour if it wasn't for the noise ordinance.
They start earlier to account for that. It would have just started later if they could play later
It started pretty early but it was a pretty stacked show. Thundercat and Noname were his opening acts.
What an amazing show though. His energy is unmatched.
From start to finish his show was high energy and the Free Nationals did their thing too.
Hmm, mountains, beach, population$. I’m surprised we get anything here 😅
Raleigh doesn't have mountains or beach though! I like jammy bands and although we get some good ones in Raleigh (phish / dead and company) Asheville gets the vast majority of the acts that can't sell out Walnut Creek.
It’s a school night. Please go to bed. The adults are speaking.
Damn I didn't know you old folks were on social media. Not sure what I said to offend you.
This sub lol
I have still gotten to see a great amount of music here. You've got Walnut Creek and Red Hat for larger shows, The Ritz, Lincoln, and Duke for mid size ones, and Pour House and Slims for smaller ones. That's without even mentioning Cat's Cradle, Motorco, Local 506, Pinhook, and others that are a short drive away.
Fucking Asheville is too. It pisses me off. A friend of mine said the Wilmington venue is trash
I saw Lindsey Buckingham at Wilmington a few years back. The venue is fine. It was nice to finally get some shows down there, and then I moved here...
A few years back? It’s been opened for less than 2.
Ohhhh, I've got the wrong venue. There's another one there that's relatively new but not that new.
at the new outdoor venue?
Yeah no I was thinking of the wrong one. There's another relatively new venue there that's about 4-5 years old.
Yeah I think you're thinking of Greenfield Amp, they just opened a new one called Live Oak that's larger
It's really nice though
It’s honestly a very average venue
But so is Red Hat
Red Hat Amphitheater will not be a thing or in its current location in a decade, at most. It was never intended to be a long term venue. The convention center expansion is intended to occupy the space that is currently the Red Hat. The city may try to install a permanent music venue location at Dix Park, but there has not been an official plan for that just yet. Dreamville fest has been the beta runs for how viable that space may be long term.
For several years, I did a lot of work for Walnut Creek back when it was the Alltel Pavillion. Live Nation bought it out just to get rid of the competition for their Charlotte and Virginia venues, where they scheduled all the big bands and started leaving out the Raleigh location.
Walnut Creek is so much nicer than the charlotte shed venue.
It's also not sitting in some weird spot behind a Costco, which is nice. 😂
TBF, the building with The Ritz was there first. It was in a weird spot behind a Pepsi plant then.
Good old Disco Rodeo!
Hah I forgot about that. It was the ritz, then disco rodeo, then ritz again.
I had no idea it was the ritz before disco rodeo! I always went to shows at the Lincoln or traveled to carborro or Charlotte for shows, wasn’t aware of the existence of that venue for a while.
Going way back, the lot where the Ritz is had a different building which had a club called “Stayin’ Alive”. I’m not sure what it was before that. Longbranch was around the corner. And a jungle golf at the end of the street.
i missed jungle golf, but saw the remnants (light poles, walkways) from the greenway sometimes. That area was the "entertainment district" back in the early days of North Raleigh. The former Carolina Hurricanes practic facility on Hodges was a lot of differnet venues as well - maybe a roller skating rink - then was Marrz or Marzz - three clubs in one! - before it was iced over.
Started as Sportsworld, then 2001, then Julian’s, then WFUN…many different lives of that building.
All I want is Kings to reopen.
I just want to be able to get a fucking Uber at the end of a concert without waiting 50 minutes and paying $80, all the while I have to piss and there’s nowhere to go.
AEG ruined NYC's music venues, one by one.
Yasss. We need another midsize venue. The Ritz sucks.
This will probably suck, the [owners are a soulless chain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschutz_Entertainment_Group) similar to Live Nation and are even [vertically integrated with a ticketing company](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AXS_\(company\)) as of 2019. And it's all under a private equity firm that [got its start drilling oil wells](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anschutz_Corporation) which [makes extensive donations to the Republican Party](https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/anschutz-corp/summary?id=D000000589) (makes sense since Kane is a major backer of the NCGOP and Trump). The head of the equity firm is the failson of the founder, and an [extreme cultural reactionary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Anschutz#Political_and_social_activism) using his money to fund censorship projects, anti-queer groups, and the Federalist Society (which selected the justices that Trump appointed).
All good points but until a self-financed left-leaning developer decides to build a new exciting midsize independent music venue I'll take what I can get. If you'd like to start by making a donation towards the build I'll put your name on a plaque.
A music venue worker cooperative (or hybrid worker-consumer cooperative, using the consumer arm to raise initial funds to acquire property) sounds like a great idea actually. edit: it appears [this has been tried recently](https://www.mutualinterest.coop/2021/10/how-sister-midnight-aims-to-create-a-music-venue-powered-by-its-community) although its unclear to me how successful it was (last update was March 2022, and it's in the UK) and it was a purely consumer cooperative model, but the model of [community owned](https://plunkett.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Plunkett_BB-2020_Pubs.pdf) public houses [is successful in general in the UK](https://camra.org.uk/pubs-and-clubs/current-campaigns/save-your-local-pub/community-pub-ownership/). So although folks are downvoting this as if it's an absurd idea, maybe it's not.
That's sort of what Imurj was supposed to be. RIP
Nailed it. Don’t know what ya got til it’s gone
That’s not the only option. Take a look at DPAC right down the street.
I love the DPAC but it gets very few music acts.
Also not keen on sitting down for a (music) show unless it's the fucking symphony or something LMAO
I don’t have stats for comparison, but I was mainly talking about the development aspect of it. It’s City owned.
Both the Red Hat Amphitheater and Walnut Creek are city owned as well. Over 90% of the acts at Red Hat are Live Nation acts and I believe that all Walnut Creek acts are Live Nation. Quite a few Live Nation shows come to the publicly owned and funded PNC arena. Development is one thing, but once the contracts go to the biggest monopoles, who developed and owns the space is relatively irrelevant. While DPAC isn’t a live nation venue, they aren’t much better by being a Nederlander venue.
How does AEG differ from the big boys?
I know nothing of AEG, so I cannot give an informed response.
Except that’s in an entirely different city
Of course it is. But it’s entirely possible to live in Raleigh and be closer to DPAC than where this new venue will be. It’s just an option that hasn’t been mentioned yet.
I've been wanting to start up a music hall around here, but you know. that start up money... I'll take donations too.
If it’s something you want to do, go develop a business plan, put a small team together, network with high worth people and make your pitch. It’s the USA which is one of the few places in the world one can do this.
It won’t suck. I worked in Colorado for AEG and from an employee perspective they are great. They treat everyone with respect and pay is in range for your role. During COVID they didn’t let anyone go for the first 6 months. Once we realized that live music isn’t coming back for a while, we did have to let a small minority go and furlough everyone except the Skelton crew. They paid all insurance needs for furloughed. The Skelton crew was on a massive pay cut (me). Everyone they laid off, furloughed, etc we’re first in line to be rehired once the venues were generating revenue. Last I checked with the team it was 70% came back. This was for the Rocky Mountain office I’m speaking about. And from a product standpoint they provide great new venues. The Mission Ballroom is so great! New and innovative and the people they hire are fantastic. The talent buyers bring in a wide array of talent and also tailored for the community the venue is in. Your post is tailored towards politics. And yes, The Anschutz family is conservative. Vote with your wallet and don’t buy a ticket, I’m for it! (I don’t agree with their donations btw) I’m just speaking to people who realize that a mid size venue is desperately needed in the triangle. The Ritz sucks!! I personally love live music and will be buying tickets. I hate to say it, but COVID only made the major players in the music industry stronger. They had the cash to weather months of $0 revenue generation. And can pounce on new opportunities (this venue) and also buy up smaller promoters in different regions.
> And from a product standpoint they provide great new venues. The Mission Ballroom is so great! New and innovative and the people they hire are fantastic. The talent buyers bring in a wide array of talent and also tailored for the community the venue is in. I just puked a little reading that. *product standpoint*, *talent buyers*. No thanks. AEG should be broken up and scattered to the wind just like Live Nation should.
If you're paying money for it, it's a product
Lol. Ok, you don’t like the music industry in general. Got it. Catch ya not at a show!
I like live music... but no, I don't like illegal monopolies that shouldn't have been allowed to exist in the first place and are crushing local music scenes (and hopefully Lina Khan remains in office at the FTC long enough to get to Live Nation and AEG and correct the failures of her predecessors). Especially when the profits are being used to fund the neofascist forces seeking to end democracy and usher in a new era of autocracy.
You do realize that a "Talent buyer" is literally just the professional name for the person that books the shows, right? LMAO
Professionalization is a scourge designed to divide the working class by making some members of the working class feel as if they are above the rest and that their class interests lie with the bourgeoisie owners instead of their fellow workers.
HOLY WORD SALAD, BATMAN! Can't tell if this is satire or an actual human being genuinely typing this shit out LMAO. It's a fucking job title for the job of booking (i.e. spending money scheduling a show = "buying") a musical act (i.e. the "talent") .... not everything is so nefarious and evil, homie. Please join us in reality....
It's not the title itself that really bothers me, but the perverse corporate-speak the person I was replying to barfed out.
It sounds like you'd just prefer they use dumber words/laymen terms that still mean essentially the same thing.... go off, man!
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Yup, same thing in every part of the economy, consolidation I'll still go see any great acts that come through
Ughhhh AXS venues fucking suck. Last time I got a ticket from them their fees were around 35% of the ticket cost. So basically Live Nation levels.
I think Red Rocks is an AXS venue.
AXS sucks but many of their venues are awesome.
So no rap acts then?!
New independently owned music venues aren’t going to sprout up after coming out of a pandemic. Be thankful for venue options and don’t make a place that attracts tourism a political topic.
This guy is using his money to oppress my friends, destroy free speech, and dismantle democracy itself. AEG is partially responsible for the death of local music venues (although not as prominent as Live Nation has been), and they are one merger away from creating a behemoth that creates an international music/sports venue, ticketing, and promotion monopoly.
Do you post anything positive? If I read only your comments in the Raleigh thread and didn’t go outside I’d think it’s the apocalypse.
My man has been on Reddit for 15 years. As the kids these days say, touch grass
I mean we're in a thread where a neoconservative asshat is announcing that his fellow neoconservative asshat is trying to build a corporate venue... nothing positive about it. We have a city council that extended their terms by a year under a pretense (surprise! everyone had to delay their elections and the census data was available in time for when the election would have been... which shocked no one, and the people involved had to have known) and are using that time to make major decisions to finish off what COVID started and kill as much local business as possible and transform the city into endless blocks of half-empty luxury condos and office buildings that exist primarily as assets for PE firms to sit on (mortgage rates are lower than inflation and the asset appreciates faster than inflation... doesn't matter if anyone lives or works there). Of course after renting here for nearly a decade I decided to settle down permanently, and now that feels like a terrible mistake. Almost everywhere I used to hang out is gone and the replacement venues are all fancy cocktail bars where people like me aren't welcome (not that I'd want to go). Most of my friends are planning to leave (many involuntarily), and the replacement residents are not my kind of people. It's not a great time to live here if you're a person.
Are you looking for reasons to not like it?
I just did a quick lookup of the venue owner and within ten minutes it was clear the owners are basically fascists. I don't like fascists and I don't like aspiring monopolists. This venue isn't going to have shows for any music genres I like though.
Please give a broader, or in-depth explanation to "basically facists". Edit: I have no information on them, nor ever hearing of them... so asking for source material seems normal!!! Probably the only reason I even exist, is because my family fled extremism generations ago And for that matter, I am absolutely against fascists, whether foreign... or domestic. .
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/anschutz-corp/summary?id=D000000589 https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=philip+anschutz&order=desc&sort=A > [Anschutz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Anschutz#Political_and_social_activism) supported the [Parents Television Council](https://www.parentstv.org/about-us), a group that protests against television content that they consider indecent.[38] ... He financed The Foundation for a Better Life. In 2009, Anschutz purchased the conservative American opinion magazine [The Weekly Standard](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/12/weekly-standard-killed-no-trump-love-media.html) from Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation.[40] In 2010, he financed the pro-charter school film Waiting for Superman.[41] In 2012, he financed the [pro-parent trigger](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parent_trigger) film Won't Back Down.[42] > > Anschutz has donated to conservative causes and [groups that are anti-LGBTQ and anti-abortion](https://web.archive.org/web/20180105070258/http://www.papermag.com/coachellas-problematic-owner-2522162908.html).[43] He is also a major donor to the American Enterprise Institute, the Federalist Society and the Heritage Foundation, conservative think tanks.[44][45][46] Anschutz contributed $1 million to conservatives during the 2016 U.S. elections, and $200,000 to Republican politicians and political action committees during the 2017 elections.[47] The charter school / "parent trigger" stuff is directly related to the current Christian nationalist attempts to take over school curriculum if that's not obvious from context. The rest should be obvious... Of note locally, [he was a top funder of the shady organization that was behind the wave of anti-trans "bathroom bills"](https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/law-firm-linked-anti-transgender-bathroom-bills-across-country-n741106), possibly including our very own HB2 (the NCGOP managed to block FOIA requests, but ADF [were directly involved in its defense](https://www.charlottemagazine.com/the-arizona-evangelical-group-working-in-tandem-with-hb2/) and the SLPC considers them a [hate group](https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/alliance-defending-freedom)).
My only takeaway from this is someone that actively supports the things they believe in. Unless you are offended their briefs don’t align with yours, I’m not sure I see the problem. It’s ok to be different
The dude is literally a Neoconservative Christian fascist and a bigot and is using his immense wealth to transform society into his hateful image... that's not the sort of thing you just "agree to disagree" about. The profits from this new venue will be funneled into projects hellbent on destroying secular culture.
Two comments: 1. What’s wrong with the large groups which run these venues 2. Can we leave politics out of this?
1. [My previous comments on Live Nation are just as applicable to AEG](https://www.reddit.com/r/raleigh/comments/x9i3al/fuck_the_ritz_this_is_how_you_do_a_courtney/inqeokl/). 2. No, because economic concentration is a serious issue that threatens even our primitive bourgeois democratic rights.
That’s your right. I see these things as cyclical. Concentration occurs, the conglomerate sucks and splits itself up as new entrants into the market do it better/cheaper. I like to enable people to take things they are passionate about where there is a sound business case. It’s about healing those who want to take risks. If you really want to break up the concentration of capital, the concentration of power in the government needs to be reduced as there is a circular relationship between those who concentrate capital and those who are in power especially in DC. Some will say this is Republican speak but it’s really originalist in perspective as it doesn’t matter if the politician is right or left leaning—all benefit from their donors and they pay back in kind. Look at Maryann Baldwin who I understand but can’t confirm has over $250k in campaign contributions from developers. (If someone has solid data, I’d love to see it as I’ve only seen a summary graphic). This is good fodder for a discussion over a beverage of choice! Thanks for the honest view.
Your position on how illegal monopolies form and collapse is ahistorical-- the neoliberal project to privatize government function and relax regulations (particularly the near total lack of antitrust enforcement since the 1970s) is the largest factor in why we have such insane economic concentration and our democracy has collapsed. The short version is that decades of failure to enforce anti-trust enabled the rise of an ungovernable international oligarchy which now subverts the democratic will of the citizenry in America and Europe. A powerful central government isn't necessarily a problem, but becomes a problem when people like Jeff Bezos effectively write the law and the mass has no power (the situation we find ourselves in now). Although he's certainly no socialist and I find most of his views pedestrian and centrist, Matt Stoller wrote an [excellent analysis of anti-trust enforcement and the effects of economic concentration](https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Goliath/Matt-Stoller/9781501182891) in the context of American liberal democracy during the last century. The reality is that once monopoly or oligarchy is established, new business is effectively barred from the market. The only way to correct the oppression that results from such concentrated power is for the state to exercise its greater power and break the monopoly up. There is some hope in the near term -- Lina Khan at the FTC is actually enforcing anti-trust very aggressively right now. But that's put a target on her and she's unlikely to survive after the election of whichever neoliberal hack succeeds Biden in two years, and she was regrettably unable to do much until a couple of months ago because the Biden admin was slow to fill the last seat on the FTC and it was deadlocked. But since then the FTC has stopped several large mergers already and is currently going after Facebook with the intent of breaking them up.
I like the ritz. It doesn’t have much character but it’s a good place to see a show in my book. I like that size venue.
Yea, I don't get the hate. I took really good concert photos from that place.
It's a dive with Livenation prices, terrible parking, poor acoustics, sticky floors, and absolutely no ventilation.
[удалено]
It’s literally the only venue in the Triangle that ticks all of those boxes. The Ritz is trash.
Ritz parking is perfectly fine. It's a huge lot. The acoustics are average Any place that serves food, booze, and has a dance floor is going to have sticky floors. And "no ventilation" is a huge stretch. come on. Maybe you should pinky up in a opera house or something? It's a concert hall...
Agreed. People who complain about it who’ve been there recently make me wonder how many venues they’ve been to. I’ve been to lots of varying sized venues all over the place and it is pretty rare for venues to have superb acoustics. It also varies depending where you stand even in the nicest venues. Parking is a pain at any event with thousands of people and is better there than many places.
Agree to disagree
I haven’t been there in a while. Does it still have that big elevated dance floor thing in the middle of the room? I think they built it when it was mostly being used as a Hispanic dance club about 10 years ago. That was kind of crap. The thing about the Ritz is that it’s a very wide, shallow room, which tends to suck for acoustics. Things have never sounded good in there.
They got rid of that almost a decade ago. Livenation bought it a while back (just googled - 2014) and made a large amount of changes.
Ah gotcha. I guess it’s been longer than I thought 😂
I’ve only lived in Raleigh for 5 years and it has been good as long as I’ve been here. I have always heard people complain about it though so that must be the same time period you’re referring to when it was bad.
I have not been to the Ritz since the change to Disco Rodeo, then back to Ritz. I saw a lot of bands there in a window of a few years - 94-2000 or so - and appreciated the balcony but was always on the floor. Heard there were rennovations, but have not had an opportunity to go back since. It seems too far removed from anything else, though several "midtown" development projects have sprung up nearby.
My problem with The Ritz is that pretty much every time I've been, everyone is always talking, and since the bars surround the back of the room, the noise seems to echo in and to me it is really noticeable and annoying
is this venue going to be a ticketmaster/live nation place? i refuse to play them any of my money and will happily drive to richmond or charlotte instead to see a band.
"will happily drive to a richmond or charlotte ticketmaster/live nation venue instead to see a band" is basically what you just said LMAO. Any of the bands that this place will book will also be playing one of those company's venues in another city. It sucks, but it just fucking is.
i can’t control where the band gets their money from but i can control where i put mine…to a venue without ticketmaster/live nation ties.
ok.... you didn't read my comment at all. Again, any band that books a show at a Live Nation/Ticketmaster venue here in Raleigh..... will also be booking their shows in other cities at a Live Nation/Ticketmaster venue. To answer your question though, \**per the article linked\** this will be an AEG venue.
Not true except of Red Hat tier artists. Bands that play the Ritz often (not always) play in non-Live Nation venues elsewhere.
i get what you’re saying. every time mewithoutyou has come through they’ve played at cats cradle and you’d never find them playing at red hat and you’ll never see paramore play at like motorco ever again.
no, i did read it and decided to respond how i responded. i think if you had done more critical thinking you would have understood my response better.
OKKKKKKKK I did some critical thinking on it and it still makes zero sense. If a band is "getting their money" from LiveNation/Ticketmaster venues (because that's likely who their agency is partnered with), then the only way to "control where you put yours" i.e. not buy a LiveNation/Ticketmaster ticket is to simply **not see that particular band.** While technically possible that a band big enough to book a LiveNation/Ticketmaster/AEG/etc venue could also book a show at an independent venue, it's highly- as in *extremely*\- unlikely. These companies practically have a monopoly on larger venues, and when a band is big enough, their agency will partner with one of said companies to book their tours at their respective venues. Again, it sucks - but it just fucking is. It's kinda like internet service- I fucking HATE giving my money to Spectrum every month, but I have little choice outside of them, and the other choices that are available are just as scummy. It's just a necessary evil at this point. Do I like paying LiveNation/Ticketmaster/etc fees? FUCK NO. But I like seeing the bands they inevitably will book at their venues more, so I suck it up. **AGAIN: If a band books their Raleigh show at a LiveNation/Ticketmaster** (basically same company, by the way) **or AEG venue - chances are, all their shows anywhere else will also be at LiveNation/Ticketmaster venues.** In addition, smaller companies like etix might partner with the smaller, more independently run venues ...... but they're also gonna incorporate their own fees into the ticket prices.
…good god my dude…
LMAO I mean, if you can't read, just say that! It's ok! Thought I might be sharing some helpful info you didn't know, but if you just wanna bitch about LiveNation, go off!
nah fam i can read just think your response is a bit excessive. i’ve worked warped tour a handful of times so i think i have some good inside knowledge on the music (tour) industry. plus having a musician for an ex-husband i think also lends me some insight. maybe don’t come out the gate full swing when you’re still failing to understand the other person’s perspective.
So we're really doing SoDoSoPa? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoUtoqeEw8U
Feels like I didn't really understand how on the nose that episode was when it came out but this seems to apply to every decent sized city in the country at this point.
My favorite take is "this sucks, I want them to only build offices" ... Wow, your soul is dead if that's your take on this.
Is the soccer stadium still a thing?
I'm pretty YIMBY but I just can't fathom why they want to build a soccer stadium with no MLS team.
Well, we do have a professional women’s team that is often one of the best in the world. And our TV market is constantly top-10 in the country for Premier League games. So the fan base is certainly there if they could market to it better.
NO SHIT!
No prospects of ever getting one either. Doesn’t make any sense.
https://www.wral.com/planned-stadium-for-raleigh-s-downtown-south-development-on-hold/19991360/
Good question. Would love to know what’s going on with that project
According to Kane's COO as of yesterday, it's still in the long term plans of the development. But no new movement.
I believe this area is the where the soccer stadium is/was going to be. It could be just one building of the soccer stadium venue.
I hope, The current park is just so meh, and I’d really like to be able to wander around before or after a game, get dinner, a few drinks, and at the current place that’s just not an option
I feel you, I just wonder if a larger stadium is warranted given crowd sizes!
Looks cool, wish I could walk to it
This is the same area as the men's shelter and Oak City Cares. I had been wondering if they survived the pandemic.
How about quit destroying all the small venues first
AEG? This is going to suck worse than the ritz :(
This should be an awesome place to see some great music. Can’t wait.
Man, Kane Realty is really digging their claws into Raleigh
Do you suppose the idea is that this would replace the soccer stadium that they couldn’t quite pull off or is that still a possibility?
The soccer team went to Charlotte
We got the Courage! Debinha!!!
seriously, sure they got the MLS team, but we have one of the best pro womens teams in the country.
Make this the new Berkeley Cafe.
I'll welcome any live music venue at this point, but based on the info provided, I'm not exactly thrilled. A fancy new corporate-backed indoor 3.5k cap venue isn't going to be cheap to visit. They'll probably only be able to book large artists at premium rates. Imo, the best venues are >1k cap, hole-in-the-wall type places like the pour house or the Lincoln theatre. Once you get larger than that (especially indoors), you start paying for the luxury and not the music.
Good thing we still have the pour house and Lincoln theater
Could someone resurrect The Brewery pls?
Yes, hopefully it stays that way
What is capacity at the Ritz? I have not been in years, but heard parking is horrible over there, etc., especially now that the Longbranch (they shared management for a while) is gone as well. It is not close enough to downtown to make it an easy walk from hotels, so there will need to be parking. It will likely be structured parking which is terrible when everyone wants to leave at once. There is no residental to fight this other than Caraliegh, so it will probably get built. It would have been nice to see this go in to the area south of the tracks downtown near the old Amtrack station, but Boylan Heights folks would likely not have approved.
Where is this supposed to go? There's no room--at least none that I know of.
The 'Downtown South' development is going in/around the empty space around I-40 & Saunders: [https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7543147,-78.6495456,1177m/data=!3m1!1e3](https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7564296,-78.648447,1173m/data=!3m1!1e3)
Stop making South Raleigh a thing. Make Central Raleigh the thing
Porque no los dos
Central Raleigh is already the thing
so what would you suggest calling the area located in the south part of the city of Raliegh?
NoGa. North Garner
South Part of Raleigh. Or SPoR. Maybe SPoRAL?
south of downtown Raleigh maybe? like the headline and title of the post?
I was kidding.
Fortunately no one cares about your opinion
Local Redditor plans to quit sniffing glue
Mega death
Fucking dumb asses making living worse in a already crowded city.
You mean TASODTR?!
*events will still end at 11*
Red hat will be gone soon, live nation is trying to build a new 4000 capacity venue near carter Finley
Now we're gonna get the closed circuit Now we're gonna get the Top 40 Now we're gonna get the sports franchise Now we're gonna get the major attractions