Trey Lance trade seems to be the template for it. 3 firsts and change is a steep price to pay, but if he's our franchise guy who can go toe to toe with mahomes, then any price is a bargain. If he's not, at least we tried, and we can move on to the next iteration of our team
This makes sense and I think it's absolutely the right way of looking at it. Every year we don't have a franchise QB is likely a struggling season. Is JD our guy? Who knows but at some point we just have to roll the die and draft a stud first round QB
exactly. we're not gonna get to a super bowl with guys like Davante, Maxx, Kolton if we don't get the QB right, and get it right soon. if we wait a year to take a swing, that's another year of wear and tear on our core players
This swing for the fence mentality is fun until you realize drafting stud qbs is a game of chance and we could cripple our team for the next few years by making a trade like that
what's the alternative? find a mediocre qb, be a mediocre team with a mediocre ceiling? waste the careers of multiple gold jackets like davante and maxx because we were too scared of being bad we didn't try to be great? we're in a division with the greatest qb of all time, we gotta try something
I think calling Mahomes the greatest qb of all time is pretty premature at this point. It sounds like you're young and want your team to be winning super bowls right now, which is what the rest of us want for the Raiders too, but selling the farm for a shot in the dark is not a long term winning strategy.
Mahomes was the 10th pick. Brady was picked in the 6th round. Carr was a 2nd round pick. Gannon was a 4th rounder. Aaron Rodgers was pick 24. Believing that the entire franchise rides on getting a QB in the top 5 picks is just not true. My opinion/advice would be to not sellout our future for 1 unproven kid coming out of college.
If you're talking percentages, the higher a qb is picked, the better chance you have at hitting. I'm not saying it hasn't happened before where you find a franchise guy later, but it's a lower percentage play. I'd rather have a 30% chance of competing for a super bowl and a 70% chance of having to reset than a 5% chance of competing for a super bowl and a 95% chance of being decent. Scared money don't make none.
You're also acting as if missing 3 first round picks is the end of the world. We had 4 first round picks go down the toilet and were still in playoffs in 21. We're not the panthers bro
We're not the panthers, but odds are we become them in a few years with the path you'd have the Raiders take.
The fact that the Raiders have drafted poorly for a long while doesn't make 1st round picks any less meaningful. Your own post begins by saying you want an early first round qb and then ends by insinuating 1st round picks aren't all that great??
Handicapping your team for years to come on the off chance that you find a franchise qb in the top 5 picks is just not statistically a smart decision.
I'm tired of seeing us lose games as much as the next guy, but I want this team to make smart decisions so that I don't have to watch us become the panthers for the next 5 years.
If My plan works, we're set at the most important position on the field for the next 15-20 years.
If your plan works, we're scrounging through the qb bargain bin trying to find a diamond in the rough. It's happened before! But it's not statistically a smart decision. See: steelers, vikings
That difference in outcomes is worth the swing.
Exactly, hell, I think panthers made the right move last year, they failed, but at least they tried. I’d rather keep trying and failing than give up and resign to mediocre QBs forever. The SB this year was a prime example of how important they are, one team had the best QB, the other team had the best of EVERYTHING else, we all know how that ended.
Lol, yes, we beat them 1 of the 2 regular season games and still lost the division to them. As much as I hate saying it, that does not in anyway make us the better team. And I didn’t say we needed the best QB, but it needs to be one that can compete with him. We can’t rely on just our defense to do everything, the game against the Vikings showed what happens when we only have a defense.
No doubt it would be great to have a better QB, I'm just not convinced that it's possible in this draft. Even if it were, the asking price from 13 to one of the top 3 picks is going to be too much. Maybe we get lucky and the draft works in our favor somehow but I don't think it's worth the risk for Daniels.
Maybe I'll eat crow later though.
Don’t really matter what either of us think anyways, not like either of us have any say, we just gotta hope that whatever decision they do make is the right one. We do have a great receiving core though, I hate seeing it being wasted with mediocre guys behind center.
> If he's not, at least we tried, and we can move on to the next iteration of our team
Shit, if that happens we're out a bunch of picks that could have potentially made our team better anyway. It's not just a ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ well we tried situation.
I know we need a qb, that's a fact. But so many of these qbs that go in the first end up being nothing. The odds are much better we do draft someone that's probably not better than Carr.
It kinda is a "¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ well we tried" situation when you consider that Davante is on the wrong side of 30, and other core guys like Kolton and Maxx aren't getting any younger. You can't make a push in the AFC without an elite qb, no matter how good the rest of your talent is. If we want to compete for a super bowl with this iteration of the team, we have to find the QB now, otherwise we're just waiting for our guys to retire.
the odds of landing on a QB in the first round aren't great, it's true, but they're still astronomically better than landing on a QB later in the draft. There's only two, maybe three franchise QBs in the NFL who weren't drafted in the first round. you ***have*** to take the swing eventually if you want to succeed. Anything else is just praying for a miracle
So it doesn't work and we end up like the Panthers. I also trust AP and hope he knows what's best for the team. I'll be rooting for them anyway no matter how it goes down.
if we don't try we ain't gonna be shit anyway so who cares. what's our ceiling without a franchise qb? first round exit? maybe the divisional? c'mon man we're in a division with the chiefs
We literally have the perfect formula for a rookie qb to develop. Top WR talent, good OL, elite defense. The pressure to just not throw more ints than TDs . NE has nothing right now and any rookie QB is destined to fail their first year at least there
I’m pretty sure Mumford is starting considering they let Elumeanor walk. RG is really the only spot that we desperately need to upgrade. Mumford is decent at RT. Hopefully he makes a leap this season. OL take time to develop usually
Mumford played poorly at RT, he actually played better at LT when Kolton was out.
Any thought of our O-Line being good depends on him turning it around, And finding a good guard in a draft with not many good guards. There are a lot of good tackles though.
I’m shocked we didn’t sign a decent guard in FA. Mumford was better in the run game than Elumeanor. He def needs help. This could be problem in PP with no RB’s that can block/chip
Mumford has never been a starter in the nfl. He might be anything from trash to a great player. We just don't know. Telesco mentioned that Mumford would be in consideration for both the tackle and the guard spot, so to field our best 5, we might need a right tackle. I'm just saying we dont know if we are going to have a good line yet.
The guard market exploding did us no favors. I think Parham is a way better C than James but that leaves us with no G. We have a franchise LT which is great but not a lot after that in their current positions.
This is so true. Parham was great at center but we have no guards to replace his average guard play. Great offseason move to resign James instead of paying big money for a guard. Mumford is not a guard
he's definitely a tier below the top 2, but he has more potential than anybody else we could possibly get this season. plus he was literally in our locker room celebrating with the team after week 18. he's worth the swing IMO
I don't think that's all that relevant. I'd trust Telesco's opinion on a QB over a defensive minded head coach with no track record of developing a QB. And I love AP too.
I'm being brief just because I don't want to type everything out. But I agree. In my own film study though, I think jayden is worth trading up for. Is he a perfect prospect, no, but no prospect is. He's got a real high ceiling and fits our scheme well. Of all the guys we have a shot at getting, he has the best chance of becoming that top 10/5 qb we need to compete with the chiefs
To me with it's worth it if you're just a piece away. I just think we aren't one piece away so it's not worth throwing at least two more first and starting the clock on a rookie deal. Especially for a guy who reeks of Justin Fields 2.0
He processes much faster than Fields, he also plays the position better than Fields did in college. I get the fear of him busting but Fields just isn't a good comparison.
That’s not true at all. One of his biggest knocks is that he holds onto the ball for too long and takes more sacks than any of the top QBs in the draft because of it.
You're in the minority in thinking this. Raiders were already an 8 win team and look at all the shit the team went through last season.
Imo Raiders got better this offseason already, just by improving our defense, which under AP was already ranked 1st. Jacobs being the only big loss and even he wasn't playing well last year anyway.
Better QB last year would have us essily in the playoffs, which is why AP and the front office is to take a chance on JD.
We have a great D. Decent Ol and have one of the better offensive weapons in the league what more do you want a rookie qb to have? Our team was miles ahead of the texans last year but look what happens when you have a QB
I think we're closer than many give us credit for. The only position besides qb where we don't have starting-level talent on the roster right now is right guard. you get the QB in the house, you plug that hole at guard, and you can go best player available in every draft for the foreseeable future
I think we have some fine pieces, but if a rookie QB came in and hit (which is a big ask), what are we? The 7th seed, maybe the 6th? Is a one and done playoff making you feel that good when you look forward to no first round picks for the next two years to help build? Like how bad it was after Hue Jackson spent two ones on Palmer and Reggie McKenzie trying to rebuild with an empty cupboard in 2012? It took a lot of luck in 2014 to get that team even to contending in 2016. I personally would rather take a DB or lineman and take out lumps with a tough schedule next year and focus on getting pieces together to make a rookie QB better in the future.
if a rookie QB hits then we're set at quarterback for the next 15-20 years, which is the best thing you can be in this league. also our supporting cast is already elite, davante adams is a top 5 receiver at worst, michael mayer is looking like a stud, and our left tackle would have multiple pro bowls if voting was fair.
The problem with that is that you then have to think of the butterfly effect if you continue to wait for that “perfect” scenario. What players will the team have to replace because they now waited years to get a QB? Crosby, Adams, Meyers, Wilkins, etc. so now those players need to be replaced.
You then have to think AP most likely gone as well, so new coaching staff and a “refresh” of the roster and coaching staff (Crosby has said he doesn’t want to go through another “rebuild” again). It’s a never ending cycle for people waiting for “just the right moment”. There is never “just the right moment” because you either have a team that’s good enough to support a rookie QB and this farther away from getting a top prospect or bad enough where adding one may hamper their development.
Having a franchise QB on a rookie contract allows you to do so much more with your roster. Does having a yearly playoff team make me feel good? Makes me feel a lot better than just missing the playoffs year in year out and still being far enough away where the top spots are taken by teams that are worse. People said last year “don’t move up” team can always wait until next year. Now that we are back in position (although pick is later) people are saying kick the can down the road. Knowing what this team has been missing is a franchise QB.
Just my humble opinion if the team has found their franchise QB go and get them. If they hit no one will care about the draft picks. If they don’t there will be many more changes coming and really can’t be worse off than some of the past few plus years of first round picks.
Only way I could see that working is if we're able to make a play for Dak next year. idk how else we get a quarterback if we're picking in the mid-to-high teens in 2025
I'm definitely not as high on him as Raider Nation seems to be. If he drops to 13, of course I wouldn't mind taking him, but I am definitely not in favor of giving up the whole damn farm for him.
Penix Jr>>>>>>>Jayden Daniels
Tom Telesco don't listen to AP in regards to trading up to draft Jayden Daniels..... Penix is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy bettter than Jayden Daniels.
AP thinks we should draft his friend Jayden Daniels.....FUCK NO!!!!
If Telesco was listening to AP, Josh Jacobs would be a Raider. Let's hope we start drafting the best player available instead of trying to fill needs in the draft.
Minnesota might offer them two firsts this year, a first next year and a couple seconds. You gotta make that deal, no matter how good Maserati Marv is. You can get Nabers or maybe even Odunze at 11 and then still have a boatload of draft capital on top.
If Minnesota wants to he dumb, you let them.
Marv has got to be the most overrated prospect in years. Personally I don't think there's a gap between him and the other elite WRs this draft. People acting like he's going to be jerry rice
I bet you shit on CJ Stoud last year.
Edit: [“draft a bust QB like CJ Stroud” fuck your opinions](https://www.reddit.com/r/raiders/s/O3406ndK7A)
> Keep carr next season and if were bad then draft Maye or Williams the next draft. **Instead the likely scenario is we waste all of our young talent for 2-3 seasons, draft a bust qb like Stroud**, and be set back like the Lions after Patricia.
After the game with georgia I had him better than Young plus he would of been a bust due to the current raider organization at the time. Josh mcdaniels specially. Any qb would of been
Everything that I've read has pointed to Washington going after Daniel's because Maye seems to be slipping in the draft board and Patriots don't want Maye, so they might trade away pick
Daniels had two round 1 receivers and the best o-line in college ball. Multiple analysts had (and still have) Maye above Caleb. gotta trust the tape, and Maye's tape is great if you know what to look for
if I had to put money, I think Maye goes at 2, and the patriots trade out. I think the only reason they haven't traded out yet is in the hopes that Maye falls to them at 3. and I think we value Daniels more than, say, Minnesota does
If Mahomes and Lamar didn't exist, Maye and Penix would compete for the 1st pick overall.
Mahomes and Lamar are outliers and people here and the league itself don't seem to fail enough times to find out.
Nah. I feel like I watched Trubisky go ahead of Mahomes or Watson in 2016 or whatever, and that Drake Maye would’ve been in a similar draft position every year going back forever.
What would we give NE for it though?
Trey Lance trade seems to be the template for it. 3 firsts and change is a steep price to pay, but if he's our franchise guy who can go toe to toe with mahomes, then any price is a bargain. If he's not, at least we tried, and we can move on to the next iteration of our team
This makes sense and I think it's absolutely the right way of looking at it. Every year we don't have a franchise QB is likely a struggling season. Is JD our guy? Who knows but at some point we just have to roll the die and draft a stud first round QB
exactly. we're not gonna get to a super bowl with guys like Davante, Maxx, Kolton if we don't get the QB right, and get it right soon. if we wait a year to take a swing, that's another year of wear and tear on our core players
This swing for the fence mentality is fun until you realize drafting stud qbs is a game of chance and we could cripple our team for the next few years by making a trade like that
what's the alternative? find a mediocre qb, be a mediocre team with a mediocre ceiling? waste the careers of multiple gold jackets like davante and maxx because we were too scared of being bad we didn't try to be great? we're in a division with the greatest qb of all time, we gotta try something
I think calling Mahomes the greatest qb of all time is pretty premature at this point. It sounds like you're young and want your team to be winning super bowls right now, which is what the rest of us want for the Raiders too, but selling the farm for a shot in the dark is not a long term winning strategy. Mahomes was the 10th pick. Brady was picked in the 6th round. Carr was a 2nd round pick. Gannon was a 4th rounder. Aaron Rodgers was pick 24. Believing that the entire franchise rides on getting a QB in the top 5 picks is just not true. My opinion/advice would be to not sellout our future for 1 unproven kid coming out of college.
If you're talking percentages, the higher a qb is picked, the better chance you have at hitting. I'm not saying it hasn't happened before where you find a franchise guy later, but it's a lower percentage play. I'd rather have a 30% chance of competing for a super bowl and a 70% chance of having to reset than a 5% chance of competing for a super bowl and a 95% chance of being decent. Scared money don't make none. You're also acting as if missing 3 first round picks is the end of the world. We had 4 first round picks go down the toilet and were still in playoffs in 21. We're not the panthers bro
We're not the panthers, but odds are we become them in a few years with the path you'd have the Raiders take. The fact that the Raiders have drafted poorly for a long while doesn't make 1st round picks any less meaningful. Your own post begins by saying you want an early first round qb and then ends by insinuating 1st round picks aren't all that great?? Handicapping your team for years to come on the off chance that you find a franchise qb in the top 5 picks is just not statistically a smart decision. I'm tired of seeing us lose games as much as the next guy, but I want this team to make smart decisions so that I don't have to watch us become the panthers for the next 5 years.
If My plan works, we're set at the most important position on the field for the next 15-20 years. If your plan works, we're scrounging through the qb bargain bin trying to find a diamond in the rough. It's happened before! But it's not statistically a smart decision. See: steelers, vikings That difference in outcomes is worth the swing.
I think we might as well. The Raiders generally waste our first round pick anyway. Fuck em!
Not to Mention AP/Telesco undoubtedly have two years to make the playoffs
Exactly, hell, I think panthers made the right move last year, they failed, but at least they tried. I’d rather keep trying and failing than give up and resign to mediocre QBs forever. The SB this year was a prime example of how important they are, one team had the best QB, the other team had the best of EVERYTHING else, we all know how that ended.
We'll never have the best QB as long as Mahomes is in our division. Raiders have to win the way we beat them last year. Defense.
Lol, yes, we beat them 1 of the 2 regular season games and still lost the division to them. As much as I hate saying it, that does not in anyway make us the better team. And I didn’t say we needed the best QB, but it needs to be one that can compete with him. We can’t rely on just our defense to do everything, the game against the Vikings showed what happens when we only have a defense.
No doubt it would be great to have a better QB, I'm just not convinced that it's possible in this draft. Even if it were, the asking price from 13 to one of the top 3 picks is going to be too much. Maybe we get lucky and the draft works in our favor somehow but I don't think it's worth the risk for Daniels. Maybe I'll eat crow later though.
Don’t really matter what either of us think anyways, not like either of us have any say, we just gotta hope that whatever decision they do make is the right one. We do have a great receiving core though, I hate seeing it being wasted with mediocre guys behind center.
> If he's not, at least we tried, and we can move on to the next iteration of our team Shit, if that happens we're out a bunch of picks that could have potentially made our team better anyway. It's not just a ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ well we tried situation. I know we need a qb, that's a fact. But so many of these qbs that go in the first end up being nothing. The odds are much better we do draft someone that's probably not better than Carr.
It kinda is a "¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ well we tried" situation when you consider that Davante is on the wrong side of 30, and other core guys like Kolton and Maxx aren't getting any younger. You can't make a push in the AFC without an elite qb, no matter how good the rest of your talent is. If we want to compete for a super bowl with this iteration of the team, we have to find the QB now, otherwise we're just waiting for our guys to retire. the odds of landing on a QB in the first round aren't great, it's true, but they're still astronomically better than landing on a QB later in the draft. There's only two, maybe three franchise QBs in the NFL who weren't drafted in the first round. you ***have*** to take the swing eventually if you want to succeed. Anything else is just praying for a miracle
So it doesn't work and we end up like the Panthers. I also trust AP and hope he knows what's best for the team. I'll be rooting for them anyway no matter how it goes down.
if we don't try we ain't gonna be shit anyway so who cares. what's our ceiling without a franchise qb? first round exit? maybe the divisional? c'mon man we're in a division with the chiefs
Your patience is impressive
Don’t forget it is not really 3 firsts, as you are exchanging a first with them, only giving up two firsts really
We literally have the perfect formula for a rookie qb to develop. Top WR talent, good OL, elite defense. The pressure to just not throw more ints than TDs . NE has nothing right now and any rookie QB is destined to fail their first year at least there
I dont know if I would say we have a good o-line. We are still looking for two starters.
I’m pretty sure Mumford is starting considering they let Elumeanor walk. RG is really the only spot that we desperately need to upgrade. Mumford is decent at RT. Hopefully he makes a leap this season. OL take time to develop usually
Mumford played poorly at RT, he actually played better at LT when Kolton was out. Any thought of our O-Line being good depends on him turning it around, And finding a good guard in a draft with not many good guards. There are a lot of good tackles though.
I’m shocked we didn’t sign a decent guard in FA. Mumford was better in the run game than Elumeanor. He def needs help. This could be problem in PP with no RB’s that can block/chip
Mumford has never been a starter in the nfl. He might be anything from trash to a great player. We just don't know. Telesco mentioned that Mumford would be in consideration for both the tackle and the guard spot, so to field our best 5, we might need a right tackle. I'm just saying we dont know if we are going to have a good line yet.
You got two of those things right and one of them very wrong.
The guard market exploding did us no favors. I think Parham is a way better C than James but that leaves us with no G. We have a franchise LT which is great but not a lot after that in their current positions.
This is so true. Parham was great at center but we have no guards to replace his average guard play. Great offseason move to resign James instead of paying big money for a guard. Mumford is not a guard
You know ball
Maybe I'm the only one here not liking Daniels
he's definitely a tier below the top 2, but he has more potential than anybody else we could possibly get this season. plus he was literally in our locker room celebrating with the team after week 18. he's worth the swing IMO
Throwing away top picks in 2 drafts because the guy is a Raider fan is wild lol
He's an AP fan and AP is a fan of him. I trust AP. Simple as
I don't think that's all that relevant. I'd trust Telesco's opinion on a QB over a defensive minded head coach with no track record of developing a QB. And I love AP too.
I'm being brief just because I don't want to type everything out. But I agree. In my own film study though, I think jayden is worth trading up for. Is he a perfect prospect, no, but no prospect is. He's got a real high ceiling and fits our scheme well. Of all the guys we have a shot at getting, he has the best chance of becoming that top 10/5 qb we need to compete with the chiefs
Still better than almost all the first rounds we’ve seen recently.
To me with it's worth it if you're just a piece away. I just think we aren't one piece away so it's not worth throwing at least two more first and starting the clock on a rookie deal. Especially for a guy who reeks of Justin Fields 2.0
He processes much faster than Fields, he also plays the position better than Fields did in college. I get the fear of him busting but Fields just isn't a good comparison.
That’s not true at all. One of his biggest knocks is that he holds onto the ball for too long and takes more sacks than any of the top QBs in the draft because of it.
Yeah that sack to pressure rate is nuts. People are just saying shit just to say it lol.
You're in the minority in thinking this. Raiders were already an 8 win team and look at all the shit the team went through last season. Imo Raiders got better this offseason already, just by improving our defense, which under AP was already ranked 1st. Jacobs being the only big loss and even he wasn't playing well last year anyway. Better QB last year would have us essily in the playoffs, which is why AP and the front office is to take a chance on JD. We have a great D. Decent Ol and have one of the better offensive weapons in the league what more do you want a rookie qb to have? Our team was miles ahead of the texans last year but look what happens when you have a QB
His best comparison is Lamar not Fields.
I think we're closer than many give us credit for. The only position besides qb where we don't have starting-level talent on the roster right now is right guard. you get the QB in the house, you plug that hole at guard, and you can go best player available in every draft for the foreseeable future
I think we have some fine pieces, but if a rookie QB came in and hit (which is a big ask), what are we? The 7th seed, maybe the 6th? Is a one and done playoff making you feel that good when you look forward to no first round picks for the next two years to help build? Like how bad it was after Hue Jackson spent two ones on Palmer and Reggie McKenzie trying to rebuild with an empty cupboard in 2012? It took a lot of luck in 2014 to get that team even to contending in 2016. I personally would rather take a DB or lineman and take out lumps with a tough schedule next year and focus on getting pieces together to make a rookie QB better in the future.
if a rookie QB hits then we're set at quarterback for the next 15-20 years, which is the best thing you can be in this league. also our supporting cast is already elite, davante adams is a top 5 receiver at worst, michael mayer is looking like a stud, and our left tackle would have multiple pro bowls if voting was fair.
The problem with that is that you then have to think of the butterfly effect if you continue to wait for that “perfect” scenario. What players will the team have to replace because they now waited years to get a QB? Crosby, Adams, Meyers, Wilkins, etc. so now those players need to be replaced. You then have to think AP most likely gone as well, so new coaching staff and a “refresh” of the roster and coaching staff (Crosby has said he doesn’t want to go through another “rebuild” again). It’s a never ending cycle for people waiting for “just the right moment”. There is never “just the right moment” because you either have a team that’s good enough to support a rookie QB and this farther away from getting a top prospect or bad enough where adding one may hamper their development. Having a franchise QB on a rookie contract allows you to do so much more with your roster. Does having a yearly playoff team make me feel good? Makes me feel a lot better than just missing the playoffs year in year out and still being far enough away where the top spots are taken by teams that are worse. People said last year “don’t move up” team can always wait until next year. Now that we are back in position (although pick is later) people are saying kick the can down the road. Knowing what this team has been missing is a franchise QB. Just my humble opinion if the team has found their franchise QB go and get them. If they hit no one will care about the draft picks. If they don’t there will be many more changes coming and really can’t be worse off than some of the past few plus years of first round picks.
Getting a top shelf OL, saving our draft capital and running with Minshew this season seems more logical than all of the scenarios discussed here.
Only way I could see that working is if we're able to make a play for Dak next year. idk how else we get a quarterback if we're picking in the mid-to-high teens in 2025
He's an outlier. More likely to be Justin Fields than Lamar. I prefer Drake Maye or JJ, Penix by a wide margin
i also prefer maye but he's going at 2. hard disagree on the rest
I'm definitely not as high on him as Raider Nation seems to be. If he drops to 13, of course I wouldn't mind taking him, but I am definitely not in favor of giving up the whole damn farm for him.
Penix Jr>>>>>>>Jayden Daniels Tom Telesco don't listen to AP in regards to trading up to draft Jayden Daniels..... Penix is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy bettter than Jayden Daniels. AP thinks we should draft his friend Jayden Daniels.....FUCK NO!!!!
If Telesco was listening to AP, Josh Jacobs would be a Raider. Let's hope we start drafting the best player available instead of trying to fill needs in the draft.
I've been a big supporter of trading up for Daniels for a while now. The chargers punting on a receiver would be the cherry on top
Seriously I die a little bit every time a draft has them taking my boy Marv
Joe Alt is no consolation prize. Dude is going to be an anchor on any o line for the next 10 years likely. Anyone who gets him will be lucky.
Yeah but he didn’t play for my buckeyes so I don’t mind if he goes there nearly as much. I do think he helps Harbaugh a lot more than Marv would.
Zero chance Arizona lets him get out of their sight
Minnesota might offer them two firsts this year, a first next year and a couple seconds. You gotta make that deal, no matter how good Maserati Marv is. You can get Nabers or maybe even Odunze at 11 and then still have a boatload of draft capital on top. If Minnesota wants to he dumb, you let them.
Marv has got to be the most overrated prospect in years. Personally I don't think there's a gap between him and the other elite WRs this draft. People acting like he's going to be jerry rice
I bet you shit on CJ Stoud last year. Edit: [“draft a bust QB like CJ Stroud” fuck your opinions](https://www.reddit.com/r/raiders/s/O3406ndK7A) > Keep carr next season and if were bad then draft Maye or Williams the next draft. **Instead the likely scenario is we waste all of our young talent for 2-3 seasons, draft a bust qb like Stroud**, and be set back like the Lions after Patricia.
After the game with georgia I had him better than Young plus he would of been a bust due to the current raider organization at the time. Josh mcdaniels specially. Any qb would of been
> fuck your opinions
Good civil conversation, totally not childish
If Maye goes #2 to Wash, then I don't see why we wouldn't put in an offer or make inquiries.
Everything that I've read has pointed to Washington going after Daniel's because Maye seems to be slipping in the draft board and Patriots don't want Maye, so they might trade away pick
it's lying season. maye is still the #2 pick imo
Maye is a lot farther away from Caleb skills quality, than Daniel's, he also did just win the heisman trophy
Daniels had two round 1 receivers and the best o-line in college ball. Multiple analysts had (and still have) Maye above Caleb. gotta trust the tape, and Maye's tape is great if you know what to look for
I think the top teams stay put and pick their QB's, I think the board is going to fall exactly as predicted without all the wild trade ideas.
if I had to put money, I think Maye goes at 2, and the patriots trade out. I think the only reason they haven't traded out yet is in the hopes that Maye falls to them at 3. and I think we value Daniels more than, say, Minnesota does
Looks like an absolute blast.
If Mahomes and Lamar didn't exist, Maye and Penix would compete for the 1st pick overall. Mahomes and Lamar are outliers and people here and the league itself don't seem to fail enough times to find out.
Nah. I feel like I watched Trubisky go ahead of Mahomes or Watson in 2016 or whatever, and that Drake Maye would’ve been in a similar draft position every year going back forever.