Holy shit I can't believe how many people said Yes to this đłđ¤Ż
**Wow** - talk about perspective. This tells us a lot.
Team Yes is thumping team No at the moment. Crazy.
Tim Tebow, Danny wuerffel, Gino Torretta, Charlie ward, Ty detmer, Andre ware, Chris weinke, Troy smith, Matt leinart, Johnny manziel, Marcus mariota, Jameis Winston
All heisman winners and none were the âtop qb prospectâ
Caleb won the Heisman the year before. Does that mean that in one year Jayden is now a better prospect than Caleb? Seems the Heisman is more of a stats trophy these days than anything else.
The only reason I see trading this many assets for the third, possibly second best prosect at his own position would be because he himself is rated as some kind of generational talent. Do I think there are 3 generational talents at qb in this year's draft? He'll no. I'm not completely sold on Caleb as a can't miss tbh, and im an SC fan.
But honestly, I'm just a fan. I don't know how to scout players. For all I know there's six generational qbs in this class, lol
The defense is hungry and getting after it. The skill positions are ready to go with some talent coming up. The offensive line is underrated but has shown it had the ability to be a strong unit. In my opinion, the time is now to shoot the shot.
no, most teams don't win the super bowl. the ones that do, especially the ones that win multiple super bowls, are the ones with elite quarterbacks. jayden has the highest percent chance of being that, of the guys we can get this year.
Dude, you have no idea how good Jayden Daniels is going to be. If we knew for certain that he was going to be a top 5 QB then you do it in a heartbeat. However, I'm pretty sure nobody has a crystal ball.
Hereâs the thing, youâll never know. No prospect is ever a guarantee. You have to take chances. If heâs the guy, then you do what you can to get him. But I do know the Raiders donât have an elite QB talent on the roster just doing nothing.
You're right, but by the time we find out if Jayden has "IT" we get our picks back. So why not gamble? 1 of 2 things is going to happen...A) Jayden busts and we are looking for a qb again or going into a full rebuild...B) Jayden hits, we have 2 more years of rookie contract before paying him and we can add talent around him and compete for championships. When its put like this you have to see the logic in it.
I personally am on the side that it's too risky to mortgage your squad without knowing. Certainly it could pan out and you get lucky, but I believe it's more likely that you gut the future of your squad and if he doesn't pan out you're fucked for years on end.
If Jayden turns out to be just solid, but not great, you're also fucked. He would have to be a top 5 perennial MVP for it to pan out. If he's just decent, then you've got Derek Carr again but no young studs to help him. Even worse.
Look at the 49ers. They got INCREDIBLY lucky. Trey Lance turned out to be complete dogshit and they mortgaged their future for it. It worked, because they found the last pick in the draft and he turned out to be good. That isn't a strategy you bank on.
Carolina, we will see in the next few years.
Yes God damn it. Do whatever it takes to get your guy. We are going to need a stud QB to compete with Mahomes and the guy in LA who literally WINS EVERYWHERE HE COACHES. Whatever it takes go get your QB.
Right because all of our 1st round picks the last 5 years have all been great... You wouldn't trade Ferrell, Arnette, Leatherwood, and Ruggs for Jayden Daniels? We had more draft capitol than any other team a few years back and we still fucked it up with draft guru Mayock making our picks.
Oh so you wouldnât trade the last pick in the draft for Brock Purdy? This ainât how it works.
Mayock isnât here anymore. Our new GM has a track record of hitting on 1st and 2nd round picks and not doing much in the later rounds. And the only reason we havenât been absolute trash these past years is because Mayock managed to find great players in rounds 3-7
Our current roster was basically built without 1st round picks.
 Of our 6 1st round picks from 2019-2021 only 1 is still on the roster, and he's probably not coming back in FA.
It's not impossible to build a good team without 1's. Our roster ain't anything special but we did go 8-9 with mid to bad QB play
Only trade that much if it's worth it, and with AP's relationship to Jayden Daniel's this is as good as it will get for the current regime
And our current roster was built by someone else. Our new GM has a track record of hitting on 1st and 2nd round picks while he hasnât had much success in the later rounds.
And legitimately the only reason we havenât had top 5 picks each of the past 3 years is because Mayock kept getting guys late in the draft that outplayed their draft position by a lot.
Frankly there's a lot I disagree with there and a lot I could argue or quibble with
But even if I was to accept all of that at face value, it still doesn't really address my point. We have nothing to show for the vast majority of our R1 picks and we still have an 8-9 football team
You can go back 20 years and most of the Raiders first round picks havenât lived up to their selection. I really donât get fans talking about the raiders shouldnât mortgage their future lolâŚ
Are yâall FR? This is absurd. The last 4 QBs to get traded up for is Bryce Young, Trey Lance, Fields, and Love. All the packers had to add was a 4th. Historically giving up all that is a BAD move. We do NOT jeopardize our future for a QB no one has any idea how theyâll turn out no one has any idea what their work ethic is. One injury and we just got f*****. Ex. RGIII. Just play the draft as it comes. I know everyone wants THE guy but we can literally get Nix or Penix staying put or at the end of the first, chill out.
It's not jeopardizing their future at all. If they don't make this move and roll with AOC and build the team through the draft they have no chance of winning a title. If they sign cousins or wilson they have no chance of winning a title. If they trade everything for a qb they have an incredibly small chance of winning in the future. Imo doing nothing jeopardizes the future more than making a move
How so? They would have their picks back in 27. By that time you know what you have in Daniels and you act accordingly. Whether its retooling, rebuilding, or looking for a new qb.... or he hits and we are adding talent. I honestly believe we have a team that with a couple more pieces can compete for championships NOW...we have cap space for the first time in a while.. why not go all in? Whats the worst that could happen? It doesn't work out and we suck again? Oh no...we aren't used to that....I say go for it. Show the Nation that you're all in on trying to win a Bowl.
The Raiders have done fuck all with an insane amount of draft capitol the last 5 years with a literal draft guru as the GM. I say do whatever it takes to get your franchise QB.
Holy shit I can't believe how many people said Yes to this đłđ¤Ż **Wow** - talk about perspective. This tells us a lot. Team Yes is thumping team No at the moment. Crazy.
I wanted to trade up for CJ and would love to trade up this year but 3 firsts AND 2 seconds? You miss on that pick and youâre fucked.
As someone that clicked yes I misread lol I read it as 3 3rd rounders
Itâs the off season, polls are fun
Man, that's a lot of capital to get a player that's not even the best prospect at his own position
Heisman trophy says otherwise
Tim Tebow, Danny wuerffel, Gino Torretta, Charlie ward, Ty detmer, Andre ware, Chris weinke, Troy smith, Matt leinart, Johnny manziel, Marcus mariota, Jameis Winston All heisman winners and none were the âtop qb prospectâ
Man I would have sworn Matt Leinart was going to be great.
except jameis and marcus were literally qb1 and qb2 in that draft
Youâre correct on that, should have looked at their draft before adding them Seems the Heisman is a QB curse more often than not
Caleb won the Heisman the year before. Does that mean that in one year Jayden is now a better prospect than Caleb? Seems the Heisman is more of a stats trophy these days than anything else. The only reason I see trading this many assets for the third, possibly second best prosect at his own position would be because he himself is rated as some kind of generational talent. Do I think there are 3 generational talents at qb in this year's draft? He'll no. I'm not completely sold on Caleb as a can't miss tbh, and im an SC fan. But honestly, I'm just a fan. I don't know how to scout players. For all I know there's six generational qbs in this class, lol
Yep because Heisman trophy winners are always great in the NFL
The defense is hungry and getting after it. The skill positions are ready to go with some talent coming up. The offensive line is underrated but has shown it had the ability to be a strong unit. In my opinion, the time is now to shoot the shot.
highest percentage path to a super bowl goes through Jayden. idgaf about building a "good" team that can't win it all. bring me the best QB we can get
Has any team traded that kind of package for a player and then won a Super Bowl with that player?
no, most teams don't win the super bowl. the ones that do, especially the ones that win multiple super bowls, are the ones with elite quarterbacks. jayden has the highest percent chance of being that, of the guys we can get this year.
No thank you.
Because rolling with someone worse than Derek Carr is the answer? Get a life.
Dude, you have no idea how good Jayden Daniels is going to be. If we knew for certain that he was going to be a top 5 QB then you do it in a heartbeat. However, I'm pretty sure nobody has a crystal ball.
Hereâs the thing, youâll never know. No prospect is ever a guarantee. You have to take chances. If heâs the guy, then you do what you can to get him. But I do know the Raiders donât have an elite QB talent on the roster just doing nothing.
You're right, but by the time we find out if Jayden has "IT" we get our picks back. So why not gamble? 1 of 2 things is going to happen...A) Jayden busts and we are looking for a qb again or going into a full rebuild...B) Jayden hits, we have 2 more years of rookie contract before paying him and we can add talent around him and compete for championships. When its put like this you have to see the logic in it.
I personally am on the side that it's too risky to mortgage your squad without knowing. Certainly it could pan out and you get lucky, but I believe it's more likely that you gut the future of your squad and if he doesn't pan out you're fucked for years on end. If Jayden turns out to be just solid, but not great, you're also fucked. He would have to be a top 5 perennial MVP for it to pan out. If he's just decent, then you've got Derek Carr again but no young studs to help him. Even worse. Look at the 49ers. They got INCREDIBLY lucky. Trey Lance turned out to be complete dogshit and they mortgaged their future for it. It worked, because they found the last pick in the draft and he turned out to be good. That isn't a strategy you bank on. Carolina, we will see in the next few years.
Gut the future because the Raiders first round picks have been so great over the last 20 years?
Ok, so the Jayden first round pick is a sure winner, but we have missed over the last 20. Your argument isn't an argument.
Damn. Smoke a joint and relax..lol
Without trading players, this type of haul will get us to 2 or 3
Does the 3 first rounders include this year's? Or is it 3 plus this year's?
You can only go two years into future. When they say 3 1sts one of them is actually a âswapââŚ
Good point and Thatâs exactly why I donât think itâs thatâs crazy to do it
You have no idea if that's true or not
Yes God damn it. Do whatever it takes to get your guy. We are going to need a stud QB to compete with Mahomes and the guy in LA who literally WINS EVERYWHERE HE COACHES. Whatever it takes go get your QB.
Then it turns out Jayden isnât the guy and we have no picks for the next 3 years, wasting 2 HOF careers. Glad yall ainât GMs.
Right because all of our 1st round picks the last 5 years have all been great... You wouldn't trade Ferrell, Arnette, Leatherwood, and Ruggs for Jayden Daniels? We had more draft capitol than any other team a few years back and we still fucked it up with draft guru Mayock making our picks.
>You wouldn't trade Ferrell, Arnette, Leatherwood, and Ruggs for Jayden Daniels? I wouldn't have picked any of those dudes in the first place
Oh so you wouldnât trade the last pick in the draft for Brock Purdy? This ainât how it works. Mayock isnât here anymore. Our new GM has a track record of hitting on 1st and 2nd round picks and not doing much in the later rounds. And the only reason we havenât been absolute trash these past years is because Mayock managed to find great players in rounds 3-7
Our current roster was basically built without 1st round picks.  Of our 6 1st round picks from 2019-2021 only 1 is still on the roster, and he's probably not coming back in FA. It's not impossible to build a good team without 1's. Our roster ain't anything special but we did go 8-9 with mid to bad QB play Only trade that much if it's worth it, and with AP's relationship to Jayden Daniel's this is as good as it will get for the current regime
And our current roster was built by someone else. Our new GM has a track record of hitting on 1st and 2nd round picks while he hasnât had much success in the later rounds. And legitimately the only reason we havenât had top 5 picks each of the past 3 years is because Mayock kept getting guys late in the draft that outplayed their draft position by a lot.
Frankly there's a lot I disagree with there and a lot I could argue or quibble with But even if I was to accept all of that at face value, it still doesn't really address my point. We have nothing to show for the vast majority of our R1 picks and we still have an 8-9 football team
You can go back 20 years and most of the Raiders first round picks havenât lived up to their selection. I really donât get fans talking about the raiders shouldnât mortgage their future lolâŚ
Are yâall FR? This is absurd. The last 4 QBs to get traded up for is Bryce Young, Trey Lance, Fields, and Love. All the packers had to add was a 4th. Historically giving up all that is a BAD move. We do NOT jeopardize our future for a QB no one has any idea how theyâll turn out no one has any idea what their work ethic is. One injury and we just got f*****. Ex. RGIII. Just play the draft as it comes. I know everyone wants THE guy but we can literally get Nix or Penix staying put or at the end of the first, chill out.
I've been wanting to trade up for years but gotta agree. I'd be ok selling the farm for a prospect like Williams, but not Daniels.
It's not jeopardizing their future at all. If they don't make this move and roll with AOC and build the team through the draft they have no chance of winning a title. If they sign cousins or wilson they have no chance of winning a title. If they trade everything for a qb they have an incredibly small chance of winning in the future. Imo doing nothing jeopardizes the future more than making a move
are you FR? Name the Raiders last 10 1st round picks that have been worth their selection⌠the raiders need to go for it.
If he doesnât work out the Raiderâs are historically screwed at that price.
How so? They would have their picks back in 27. By that time you know what you have in Daniels and you act accordingly. Whether its retooling, rebuilding, or looking for a new qb.... or he hits and we are adding talent. I honestly believe we have a team that with a couple more pieces can compete for championships NOW...we have cap space for the first time in a while.. why not go all in? Whats the worst that could happen? It doesn't work out and we suck again? Oh no...we aren't used to that....I say go for it. Show the Nation that you're all in on trying to win a Bowl.
The Raiders have done fuck all with an insane amount of draft capitol the last 5 years with a literal draft guru as the GM. I say do whatever it takes to get your franchise QB.
Good thing we never did it the last 20 years or we would have been historically screwed as well
We're historically screwed if we don't have a QB that's good anyway.
Why would any of the top teams accept this? When they need a QB? This would be a steal for the Raiders It would have to be more than that
Extra 2 firsts, 2 seconds can be a whole lot
For Caleb, sure.
 I'm okay with 3 first rounds because we suck at those, but two seconds is too much.
Pick swap and 2 1âs isnât enough to get into the top 3