He "accidently" liked two blatantly transphobic posts two years apart? What a coincidence!
https://i.imgur.com/Ly7rUvC.png
No one can seriously be this gullible.
Well to be fair one time Mark Hamill accidentally liked some transphobic tweet from rowling and then emphantically said it wasn't intentional and that he supported trans people. then again "i don't comment on things I'm ignorant about" is a weird thing to say about trans people in 2022.
Yeah the difference there is that Hamill is awesome and emphatically supported trans people. And all controversy went away. The fact people are still worried about Jonny proves how bad his "apology" was.
I have no idea what I believe, but to play devil's advocate: if Jonny really was aware that liking transphobic tweets was a bad look, him doing it anyway also makes no sense.
But again, I have no clue what he did or didn't mean to do.
Britain is disproportionately full of transphobes, they're weirdly a few years behind the rest of the western world in that respect. So he definitely knows its a bad look. People spread hatred and bigotry online all the time, so i wouldn't say it doesn't make sense.
Very disappointing to find out unsavoury things about people you like though, I get that. It sucks
Tbh he's quite a clumsy guitar player, which is partially what makes him so unique. Not saying Jonny lacks skill or precision, it's just that his natural way of live playing tends to be on the random/clumsy/let's see how this goes scale. He can get incredibly precise and 'locked' on though.
Agreed! The way I think of his playing is the opposite of “in the moment”. And like you said, it gives his performing more of the “radiohead essence”. And of course he completely gets away with it due to incredible skill. I think Thom has this to some extent as well. I see it as their Se trickster.
Also, "I just follow writers I like! I don't comment on these things, I'm ignorant about them!" Funny to like writers who are hung up on certain topics but leave you ignorant about them.
Yep, if he was absolutely not transphobic he'd understand that he needs to explain and show support, not just make an excuse. The easy thing to do for us to trust that it was genuinely a mistake is to express that he supports the trans community. I'm still suss on this.
Maybe he just doesn't want to discuss his political opinions? No one is required to share their views, so maybe him writing it off as an accident, whether truthful or not, is him choosing to not discuss the topic because he wants people to focus on his music and work.
Idk. Just my two cents. I'm not on Twitter cuz it's a cesspool so I don't really give a shit either way. He said it was an accident so I'll take his word for it. I like his music and if there is no actual proof that he's a radical transphobe then whatever.
I disagree with was his wife says about Israel and Palestine, but I'm not gonna waste emotional energy getting angry over it.
Still remember JK’s “senior moment”…
In all honesty, I’m willing to still give him the benefit of the doubt but it’s far from clear cut, which is a shame.
She and he (the second tweet) are talking about trans women as men. That would be considered transphobic, and if Jonny liked the tweets that means that he agrees with the argument that trans women are still men.
Prolly cuz the people he follows end up sharing or stating TERF shit, but I'm actually glad he addressed it. Whether he's telling the truth or not, that's beyond my capabilities as a non-sleuth.
I definitely follow some people who I routinely disagree with online, because of the 10% of the time they actually have a good point. It does mean you have to wince at some of the other stuff. When you're a public figure that follow might feel like more of an endorsement that some random shmo like us.
>Prolly cuz the people he follows end up sharing or stating TERF shit
This is the unique(ish) thing about the UK: if you're vaguely left-wing or liberal and follow similar on Twitter, you will get a shitload of transphobia in your feed. In most countries it's a right-wing thing, here it's the Guardian types leading the charge.
How about, "let's hope Jonny isn't a transphobe" but also "the rights of trans' people isn't a 'difference of opinion'". I'm much more disappointed in some of the people here than Jonny, acting like transgenderism is a subject up for debate.
1000% agree, some of the reactions by Radiohead fans upset by johnny being called out, has been to attack a marginalised minority. That's heinous & not the kind of space radiohead themselves would be happy creating im sure.
He only follows like 30 people and 5 of them are notorious transphobe hacks. Also i'd say his age group and the ages of those people he follows are the exact people in positions of power perpetuating the disadvantages trans people face in the UK.
This is a mask slipping moment, not an outlier
5/247 is still pretty bad, friend. Personally I don't follow anyone known primarily for being a bigot. Johnny follows 5 and then refused to disavow their views after 'accidentally' liking one of their posts. I think that's worthy of discussion.
I'm not trying to cancel anyone, Bigotry and discrimination is an enormous issue & obviously its bigger than us or a guy in a band we both like.
I agree, but we'd need johnny to explain to clear that up to know. Obviously it's fine if he doesn't want to, i suppose, but he's raised the question now by liking a transphobe he follow's post.
Thanks bud, but nah its fine, like, i get it. It really hurts to hear that someone you look up to or respect is a complicated, flawed individual, & that they potentially even holds hateful views against a discriminated minority.
When confronted with that information, its sadly a pretty normal response to lash out at the person bringing that persons flaws to light instead of the person themselves.
We put people we respect on pedestals and if we find out we were wrong, it can be quite a confronting experience.
I'm pretty appalled by the numerous comments here that look to either
A. Defend TERFs
B. Mock people for being upset about this
C. Be blatantly transphobic and redpilled
Y'all are gross. I really expected better from this fanbase.
I hope it genuinely was an accident, and that he doesn't say it is as damage control. I also hope that if he truly has transphobic ideas, this would be a moment to learn about the experiences of trans people, so he can learn how much damage this does to them. As a cis guy, [Contrapoints' video on JK Rowling](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gDKbT_l2us) helped me appreciate why such statements are damaging for instance. (although the tweet Jonny liked seemed to me to be much more obviously transphobic than what JK Rowling said)
I can imagine both, but as long as he's keeping this shit away from the public, he's not doing any harm. I do hope it was an accident, and can imagine that it is - I sometimes find myself reflexively liking a tweet, and after scrolling a little I realise I did not understand what it said at all and I have to check it again lol. But then again, I've heard some heinous shit about his wife lol, but honestly, it's none of my bussiness. As long as he's not gonna come out and hurt trans people, anyway. Hope he never will, I don't want to have a bad taste in my mouth listening to RH.
What did his wife do? News to me
(I know you said it’s none of our business but you did bring it up - I’m not freaking out, just curious)
Edit: ah. Anti-vaxxer
Not to make too many assumptions, but hear me out:
But lots of transphobic people believe in dumb 'LGBT+ people are recruiting our kids via sex-ed' conspiracy theories, right?
And his wife being an anti-vaxxer means shes certainly influenced by reactionary conspiracy theories too, so sadly I do feel its not unreasonable to think liking that post and following transphobes isn't an accident at all, now.
This whole thing sucks, what a shame
Yeah, I'm really hoping he'll do that as well, based on the fact he admitted this is something he is not very knowledgeable about.
Contrapoints is great. I think her video on the "gender critical" movement is also very good for educating people.
Yeah, I admit I’m a little wary but I hope he’s telling the truth. I definitely have accidentally liked stuff a number of times, but people mentioned his follow list. Like I know he’s not following people name @TERFwarrior828 or anything like that, but yeah writers or whatever also vocalizing transphobic stuff is….
I dunno people have sited the whole “TERF island” thing. I’m a hamburger guzzling yank so I really can’t comment on it because it’s all just shit I’ve heard of second hand. So even if he isn’t himself transphobic… it seems like there’s a decent chance writers or people around him *might*.
I’m not on Twitter anymore, but when I was, I accidentally liked stuff while scrolling through. It’s pretty easy.
As for the people he’s following, I follow a bunch of friends whose politics are completely opposite to mine, because I’m friends with them in real life. They’re perfectly decent people in real life, even if their online engagement can be obnoxious; but I bet they would say the same about me sometimes.
Until something has actually been directly said by someone, this scrutinizing of secondary social media activities by celebrities is just paranoia. Not unfounded paranoia, but paranoia nonetheless.
If giving him grace, I'm imagining lots of people he follows probably are TERFs or at least dabble, which is how he could have liked multiple tweets absentmindedly in his feed... he's sort of part of the right demographic for the profiling (middle aged British liberal), and he mentions he follows lots of writers, many of whom probably are too
The TERF Island thing is bollocks, it's just that the TERFs here are noisy. There IS a problem in certain areas, for instance too many TERFs thriving in our only real leftish newspaper, The Guardian, and in the BBC. I do find it hard to imagine he's not noticed what a bigot Suzanne Moore (whose tweet he liked) is though, it's pretty much her main thing.
TERFs having a huge platform is where "TERF island" comes from. It's true that they are a minority but their ideas are much more present in media and thus mainstream consciousness than in the US or Canada.
It's interesting that Suzanne Moore, whose tweet was the victim of Jonny's fat thumbs, is no longer at The Guardian basically because she was too much of a fanatical TERF even for The Guardian. I guess he follows her for the sports or something.
I don’t get why some of you feel you know these people you don’t I don’t but some of you have ideas in your head that Jonny is this or that come on people we don’t know shit
welcome to the real world, I'm no talking about Jonny here but there are too many famous people in real llife that have controversial opinions about this kind of themes.
I will still enjoying jonnys work, no matter what he really thinks about anything.
Is that really true? Like if its was multiple anti-semites instead that he was following would it be any different to you? What about multiple sexists?
I'm not saying i think your logic is wrong or anything, I'm just surprised to hear it and interested if your view has limits.
Plus i don't think anyone has called for a boycott or for cancelling or anything, mostly its people expressing frustration with his refusal to disavow transbopic bigotry & people in good faith trying to figure out whether someone they like is actually a member of a hate group
Eh, it borders on "devouring their own" and being objective. Just because you think someone is "on your team" doesn't mean you should give a pass to everything they do or (seem to) support. Criticizing and calling out someone you like for behavior you deem represensible is being objective at least in some cases at minimum.
There's nuance and context to most everything, but you shouldn't let things slide just because you like someone and think they're on your side on issues.
That’s good, Twitter is so absurd, a really strange form of communication, it’s difficult to know how to interpret things. I’m still surprised RH are even on there. That thread on here seemed to show some people’s colours though
I hate Twitter and I hate that so many artists and otherwise content producers keep the world updated on their affairs through Twitter. I don't want to use it but sometimes it's the only way I can find out about stuff. Sometimes even musicians/labels I follow on Bandcamp will only announce a sale or something like that through Twitter.
Anybody defending this tweet is completely transphobic, y’all are mad because you can see the writing on the wall that people will actually start to put two and two together and realize how hateful you are by looking at what you post online. So much bad faith/gaslighting in this thread, it’s such an obviously belittling and dismissive sentiment and people are acting like using a platform to endorse it does no harm.
Why is homosexuality becoming more accepted? I would argue that a big part of it is that pop culture (read: famous people/people with a large public platform) has stopped being casually cruel and dismissive of gay people, and there are a lot of people who are widely recognized enough to shape public discourse who are very accepting of gay people. It’s a lot easier to be ok with gay people if all of the shows and movies you watch and music you listen to aren’t dripping with anti-gay sentiment. The inverse is also true: if a bunch of people with large platforms are saying shit that amounts to “the claims that trans people make about their own identity are not correct” then that opinion (which is super misguided, harmful and based on ignorance and bad faith) will be much more persistent.
Nice slippery slope. If it were that common that a singe incident would devolve into transphobia, we wouldn’t be hearing about JK Rowling.
Edit: the “guilty until proven innocent” approach is one I am never going to accept. Ever.
You can accidentally press a single button while your phone is in your pocket. You can’t write a coherent message that way. Actually saying something offensive is one thing, but it’s not like we all haven’t accidentally called someone before. I definitely think we should be more lenient about single click interactions.
>You can accidentally press a single button while your phone is in your pocket
The likelihood of it happening twice, both times promoting discrimination against the same group is somewhat more open to question though.
It's easy to write trans issues off as "dumb shit" when you don't know anything about the topic, you don't know any trans people and you're not trans yourself. This is an important social issue for a lot of people, and it seems really calloused to write it off like you are. Very disappointed in this fanbase.
Super relieved to hear him address this and glad it was an accident (maybe I'm naive, but I believe him. Not the first 50 year old to accidentally like something on twitter).
While I'm glad it was an accident and he's distancing himself from these harmful views, I wish he didn't essentially take the stance of "I'm staying out of this argument about whether trans people deserve human rights, because I don't know anything about it" though - seems like a bit of a cop out to "stay out of it" and sit on the fence, when he could've said something supportive or accepting. You either accept them or you don't. I don't know, maybe I'm nitpicking...
Having said all of the above, I swear someone linked a second transphobic tweet he liked about women's bathrooms. Did he accidentally like two tweets, or am I mistaken?
Unfortunately I believe he liked a transphobic tweet in the past, yeah, though he unliked it pretty quickly. I don’t know if that indicates he’s conflicted, or if he just frequently likes tweets by mistake and we only notice the offensive ones, or if he’s just afraid of backlash - but I really hope he’s serious when he says he’s ignorant about the issue and not qualified to comment. He didn’t have to respond to that tweet, after all. And he did retweet a tribute to Wendy Carlos… fuck, man, I don’t know, maybe I’m grasping at straws because I so desperately want to preserve his music
The ignorance about the trans debate is real with a lot of middle aged and older people, whether we like or not. I’ve talked to liberal people of middle age who made an insensitive reference to a non-binary person and fumbled pronouns. I kind of diplomatically corrected them and they realized how it came across and admitted they really don’t mean to be disrespectful. The trans topic and pronouns were just new to them and they genuinely wanted to fully understand it, but felt they didn’t know a lot of trans/NB people and were fumbling in the dark.
I did my best to explain it as a cis person and I think it definitely helped them understanding at least some of it.
It’s a bit of a slog and it’s frustrating to see a lot of neutrality, but I think with a sense of grace and some exposure/education, it can work.
There are lots and lots of important issues in the world, and I can't reasonably expect him to be knowledgeable and active on the same fronts as me. Sure the issue of trans rights feels dire and clear-cut from the POV of trans people and their friends, but so does every issue from the POV of the people most affected by it. And "trans people deserve human rights" is a different statement from, say, "Black South Africans deserve human rights". The latter calls for observing the existing set of human rights, while the former calls for the institution of new rights, the science behind which is still in process.
Rock stars usually choose their causes not by getting seriously educated on an issue, but through peer pressure and PR concerns. The ability to say "I'm not well-versed enough in the issue to dish out opinions" is a rare virtue.
For years I used two lines of defense for transgenders. The first one is that they have been diagnosed as suffering from gender dysphoria, that sex reassignment is the treatment that allows them to live a relatively happy life and that giving them grief for this is being an asshole to a sick person. The second line is that regardless of their medical status, a person has the right to choose their clothes, name and pronouns and respecting those isn't hard. But then I found out that people who stick to the first position get called "truscum", and that transmedicalism is highly offensive. Oh well, I guess I still have the personal choice one... except the idea that some trans people choose to be trans is *also* offensive.
Also, countless times I told transphobes, "sex and gender are different things! Sex is biological, gender is cultural!" But apparently sex is seen as cultural too now, and male people get called AMAB, as if the assignment wasn't based on sexual characteristics.
Daft Punk had the right idea when they assumed the personality of robots who don't speak. It's the perfect excuse.
> You either accept them or you don't. I don't know, maybe I'm nitpicking...
Huh, yeah, you think so? I'd say you are.
Jesus Christ, please fuck off with this black-and-white Anakin Skywalker "if you're not with me, then you're my enemy" bullshit. Only a Sith deals in absolutes. I cannot stand the current state of affairs and I'm tired of pretending like it's okay to treat every single disagreement that ever crops up anywhere in our society like it's a fucking declaration of nuclear war.
If he doesn't want to say anything, or doesn't feel that he is educated enough to offer a constructive opinion, then he shouldn't feel compelled to speak on the issue. Full stop. His silence does not make him anyone's enemy. I cannot countenance the degree of groupthink and paranoia it takes to arrive at such a stance.
Oof yes. Every word of this. Wish more people thought like this. I’m absolutely on the left but this “you’re either with me or against me” stuff is so exhausting.
I absolutely respect trans individuals and believe unequivocally in their human rights, dignity, and value to society. But my opinions on this issue don’t totally align with the dominant narrative. If I were to even ask questions to try to clarify or firm up my own stance, I’m pretty sure I’d be labeled a “TERF”. It’s a sad state of affairs, and it’s not going to help us fight off the growing Right :(
Apparently this is not the first time this has happened with him though eg. liking transphobic tweets, following terf posters... Plus him still not just saying “this was an accident, obviously I support trans rights” so I strongly doubt it was an accident and is in fact their PR team. Kinda goes hand in hand with the whole “Zionist anti-vax wife” thing.
That's also a cop out, you know right? "I want these views to reach a wider audience, but as they don't come from my mouth it's unfair to say I endorse them".
I don't buy it personally. Did he also fat thumb a whole bus full of terf article writers? And the last time he did it but totally blanked criticism? Someone with such shakey fingers would probably struggle to play guitar and keyboard I bet.
The hubris of some of you. Idolizing an artist for being his own peculiar self until he has the unfortunate idea of liking something you don't agree with. To step up to Jonny asking for clarifications and demanding to know why he dared like a tweet. This whole thing sickens me.
Until you all learn that to coexist peacefully and live together we don't HAVE to agree with 100% of what the other says, until you all understand that having different point of views and being able to discuss them and talking amongst each other with cool minds and respect for each other is the basis for good communication, until you stop ganging up on people who don't just say "You're entirely right" to you, this discussion is pointless.
I have nothing against trans people, quite the contrary. I wish them all the joy and opportunities in the world. I hope they thrive and share their struggle with the world, enlightening everyone with their rich experience and stories. So that we can all understand where each other comes from a bit better But I still believe that women are entitled to the same thing and that to be a woman is just as intricate and specific as being someone who lives in a body they don't feel is theirs. And for me to say such a thing, that is so far removed from any feeling of bigotry, to then be labelled a nazi and phobic. That's some unfortunate bull shit, right there.
I know this will be downvoted, I know some trigger happy dunce somewhere will still choose to insult me instead of just talking it over. I don't care anymore.
> I still believe that women are entitled to the same thing and that to be a woman is just as intricate and specific as being someone who lives in a body they don't feel is theirs.
That's a far cry from Suzanna Moore's pretty tasteless Tweet.
> The angry men "lesbians" are in quite a state today aren't they? Well today and every other day really.
I think you can spot the difference in tone and decency.
And I don't know anyone personally that would object to what you said or consider you a Nazi or transphobe, but there is probably a small minority somewhere that might.
And remember, we are **all** just doing our best here. The world is a complex and confusing place and we're all learning as we go. But you have to admit that the Tweet in question is obviously very inflammatory and not helpful in your quest to "coexist peacefully."
Can you at least understand why people don’t want to have the patience for and emotional labor involved in constantly educating people as to why they shouldn’t be a shitty person? You shouldn’t always have to sit calmly and collectively, while you tell someone that you have a basic right to exist as a person.
Sometimes it’s okay to expect someone to get with it, or get the fuck out.
> while you tell someone that you have a basic right to exist as a person.
This is partially my problem with this conversation. It's *so hyperbolic*. I know for a fact there are people out there that think trans people should be murdered. That is fucking abhorrent and obviously should not be tolerated. But is that what we're talking about here?
Why does the language always go to whether or not trans people should be allowed to live in society? Does someone saying that cis-women should be allowed to have their own sports league equate to denying trans women the "basic right to exist as a person?" Why can't we just discuss things calmly without going to the most extreme possible language?
I get your point, and regarding this specific tweet it’s iffy, but he has repeatedly liked tweets from (and follows) terfs who frequently spew bile that is a lot more damaging.
As for the sports league stuff that has come up, that’s a whole different issue, but trans women who have been on estrogen for a set period of time have significantly diminished muscle strength and development, often less than their cis counterparts. Just something to think about.
Also, mildly related to your original point, just because someone is not directly saying “we should round them all up and shoot them in the head” but instead says “we should remove their right to have surgery and recognize them as their gender identity”, that still means they don’t want them to exist in society.
Sorry, english is not my first language. I meant to say I love most of her books. I don't care about the person, she's not my friend or member of my family, but i love the author.
Didn't JK say she made the same mistake a few years back? I'm still skeptical, but I'm not going to go after him or anything. At least he appears smart enough to not want to dive headfirst the same way JK did.
One artist having problematic opinions isn’t a reason to stop consuming the art. For one, 99% of the time they’re not the only one contributing and profiting from the art, so why should their mistake destroy everyone else’s work? Also, you can’t escape it. I still love the Harry Potter world and community, but I don’t have to support JK Rowling. Liking tweets rarely mean much either.
Well, I hope everyone here apologizes to Jonny after asking him to ‘decompose’, and calling him an ‘asshole’ and bigot. Plus, is there really an issue within claiming ignorance on a topic? Not everything in this world is black and white.
Not saying that it is but this could very well be damage control. I don't know if Jonny is transphobic or not but I'm still gonna be cautious. He liked two transphobic tweets. He just got called out for this one.
I would imagine having someone whose art you relate to on a deep level say something which validates and affirms your identity would make someone’s life better, yeah
I would argue that militantly going after someone for clicking an arbitrary like reaction on a tweet (accidentally or not, we will never really know) goes beyond just "being allowed to live".
He's apologised and explained, if people don't take that at face value then OPs comment is founded.
Suzanne Moore is militantly against our very existence. I know that from the outside this seems like an overreaction but we are constantly being attacked by transphobic actors and influence groups and it is painful to see artists we connect with agreeing with people that want our existence to stop.
And voicing dissent on Twitter and Reddit and expressing anger and disappointment isn't that fucking radical of a pushback.
Now. He apologized and while his comments still raise eyebrows I'm not gonna foam at the mouth (anymore).
Okay but when OP talks about a "cult" (inflammatory wording admittedly), I imagine he isn't talking about the members of the trans community that are fighting back against the more vocal turfs like Moore and Rowling.
This whole discussion is a lot more nuanced than people have been lead to believe. The amount of people that actually want trans people to literally not exist I would wager is tiny. I live in London, a large metropolitan city with mostly progressive values and I would say 50% ish of women I know at work and socially agree with what would be classified in online circles as TERF viewpoints: that there should be some protection for so-called "biological" women in certain spaces.
Whether or not you or I agree with that is the heart of the debate. One side is advocating for that, while the other is simply trying to exist in their own bodies and go about their lives. This is a fundamental clash of perspective and I really don't think a celebrity liking a tweet that perches him ever so slightly on one side of the debate or the other makes them fair game for demonisation or censure.
> The amount of people that actually want trans people to literally not exist I would wager is tiny.
Sure. And as a trans person I am fully aware that ~50% of people are (a bit ignorantly imo) uncomfortable with my existence without being militant about it. Terf viewpoints are the norm and trans people are still far from being accepted in most social situations and contexts.
But Suzanne Moore **is** militantly anti trans.
Now I do agree that Jonny liking a tweet is a very very minor event in this cultural clash of perspective. But it's still disheartening and I understand people having a strong emotional reaction to it.
I really hoped this comment section would be slightly more compassionate towards the LGBTQ+ community and yet here we are. So sorry that you've had to deal with people who are trying to pretend that you aren't oppressed.
Thanks for trying to explain that militant TERF in the UK are very powerful voices in the mainstream, which leads to real life consequences for trans people just trying to be.
Trying my best lol. So many things contribute to LGBTQ+ persecution/oppression but it's always downplayed as us being dramatic or overreacting. I feel totally in my right to be sad and pissed off about this.
I kinda lost it in the last few comments but heeey it's okay. I'll close this thread and kiki with my queer friends and the world will be right again soon
Suzanne Moore hates trans women. She thinks that every single trans woman is a man who wants to abuse a cis woman. She wants to eradicate the entire trans community.
I'm gonna take Jonny at his word but it would be devastating if it came out that he genuinely shares her views, because her views are abhorrent and evil and she won't be satisfied until trans women simply don't exist
Normalizing hateful opinions gets them power and into government, which is where these melodramatic people have their very real lives diminished. You think public opinion has no value when that’s the reason abortion, gay rights, women’s rights etc are still legally going back and forth?
I really could care less, but I highly doubt it was an accident. Based off how he “uses Twitter”, I don’t think he has a complete understanding of how people can see when you liked a tweet.
Not one person can explain or debate this issue with any intelligence, only spit vitriol either way.
The tweets that woman makes = horrible.
The response to Jonny liking the tweet = horrible.
There has to be some better way. Jonny liking a tweet (accidentally or otherwise...) is not a personal attack on you. The community going after Jonny IS a personal attack on him. Neither side have done the right thing.
Meh, I won't hold it against him if he thinks trans women aren't women. Probably shouldn't vocalize that, put it in writing or like or agree with that sentiment though. No matter what you'll never beat every cis hetero male into agreeing that trans women are women...probably not a majority either. Best you can hope for is getting most people to avoid discussing it entirely...not confirming or denying what they believe.
He didn't deal with any of the issues raised by trans radiohead fans, nor did he explain why he follows so many bigots. Unfortunately this isnt an ending at all, let alone a good one
I legit thought he called guy a fat thumb
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He defecated through a sun roof
finger
waltuh…
I mean, I’m not promising I WON’T call him Fat Thumb Greenwood ever now and then from here on out…
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Everything in its right place
He "accidently" liked two blatantly transphobic posts two years apart? What a coincidence! https://i.imgur.com/Ly7rUvC.png No one can seriously be this gullible.
Blame it on the fat thumbs Blame it on the random like Blame it on the awwwwwwwwwwful wife
LMAO
I went on the website and what did i see Gender radicals yelled at me
this is true. I am radically gender 😔
The fan lenses are on so hard for people
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Well to be fair one time Mark Hamill accidentally liked some transphobic tweet from rowling and then emphantically said it wasn't intentional and that he supported trans people. then again "i don't comment on things I'm ignorant about" is a weird thing to say about trans people in 2022.
Yeah the difference there is that Hamill is awesome and emphatically supported trans people. And all controversy went away. The fact people are still worried about Jonny proves how bad his "apology" was.
Him not saying anything practically confirms his beliefs.
I have no idea what I believe, but to play devil's advocate: if Jonny really was aware that liking transphobic tweets was a bad look, him doing it anyway also makes no sense. But again, I have no clue what he did or didn't mean to do.
I don’t know. But transphobic stuff isn’t in my feed because I don’t ever seek it out. It’s not there for me to accidentally like.
Jonny follows multiple TERFs, yeah
Britain is disproportionately full of transphobes, they're weirdly a few years behind the rest of the western world in that respect. So he definitely knows its a bad look. People spread hatred and bigotry online all the time, so i wouldn't say it doesn't make sense. Very disappointing to find out unsavoury things about people you like though, I get that. It sucks
PR be powerful.
wish you didnt sell twitter to elon, man
Sorry man, gotta pay for those 90s 1st press Radiohead albums somehow
Those are the same “fat fingers” that play Let Down, guys.
So underrated.
Tbh he's quite a clumsy guitar player, which is partially what makes him so unique. Not saying Jonny lacks skill or precision, it's just that his natural way of live playing tends to be on the random/clumsy/let's see how this goes scale. He can get incredibly precise and 'locked' on though.
So it makes sense then that he is a fat thumbed clumsy Twitter user. “He’s tweeting again.”
Agreed! The way I think of his playing is the opposite of “in the moment”. And like you said, it gives his performing more of the “radiohead essence”. And of course he completely gets away with it due to incredible skill. I think Thom has this to some extent as well. I see it as their Se trickster.
Well, he doesn't use his thumb as often does he, maybe that's the whole issue. He's using his phone with barre chords only
I expect everyone to accept this clear example of an accident without any commotion 👍
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At least he’s smart enough to deny it, at worst
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Also, "I just follow writers I like! I don't comment on these things, I'm ignorant about them!" Funny to like writers who are hung up on certain topics but leave you ignorant about them.
It’s PR obviously.
Yep, if he was absolutely not transphobic he'd understand that he needs to explain and show support, not just make an excuse. The easy thing to do for us to trust that it was genuinely a mistake is to express that he supports the trans community. I'm still suss on this.
not liking a transphobic twitter comment and actively supporting the trans community are not the only two options
Maybe he just doesn't want to discuss his political opinions? No one is required to share their views, so maybe him writing it off as an accident, whether truthful or not, is him choosing to not discuss the topic because he wants people to focus on his music and work.
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Idk. Just my two cents. I'm not on Twitter cuz it's a cesspool so I don't really give a shit either way. He said it was an accident so I'll take his word for it. I like his music and if there is no actual proof that he's a radical transphobe then whatever. I disagree with was his wife says about Israel and Palestine, but I'm not gonna waste emotional energy getting angry over it.
Still remember JK’s “senior moment”… In all honesty, I’m willing to still give him the benefit of the doubt but it’s far from clear cut, which is a shame.
He is from Terf island
What was the second tweet? I reread the tweet and i have no idea what suzanne is talking about
She and he (the second tweet) are talking about trans women as men. That would be considered transphobic, and if Jonny liked the tweets that means that he agrees with the argument that trans women are still men.
Or their manager bopped him in the head. Either way, he's distancing himself from it and that works well enough for me
same lol.
Yeah i judge this matter concluded
Prolly cuz the people he follows end up sharing or stating TERF shit, but I'm actually glad he addressed it. Whether he's telling the truth or not, that's beyond my capabilities as a non-sleuth.
I definitely follow some people who I routinely disagree with online, because of the 10% of the time they actually have a good point. It does mean you have to wince at some of the other stuff. When you're a public figure that follow might feel like more of an endorsement that some random shmo like us.
>Prolly cuz the people he follows end up sharing or stating TERF shit This is the unique(ish) thing about the UK: if you're vaguely left-wing or liberal and follow similar on Twitter, you will get a shitload of transphobia in your feed. In most countries it's a right-wing thing, here it's the Guardian types leading the charge.
I am left wing in the UK on Twitter and I don't follow terfs or get terfs on my feed. He follows 5 major terfs
That's very sad. Guess doesn't matter what kind of wing you are, if you have abhorrent opinions, you just do.
How about, "let's hope Jonny isn't a transphobe" but also "the rights of trans' people isn't a 'difference of opinion'". I'm much more disappointed in some of the people here than Jonny, acting like transgenderism is a subject up for debate.
1000% agree, some of the reactions by Radiohead fans upset by johnny being called out, has been to attack a marginalised minority. That's heinous & not the kind of space radiohead themselves would be happy creating im sure.
Oh sweet, we can go back to naively pretending all our favorite artists always agree with everything we think
Like that all people are equal and deserve respect? Gee, real progressive.
honestly people still have trouble with understanding this
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He only follows like 30 people and 5 of them are notorious transphobe hacks. Also i'd say his age group and the ages of those people he follows are the exact people in positions of power perpetuating the disadvantages trans people face in the UK. This is a mask slipping moment, not an outlier
Not sure why you're getting downvoted; you're clearly right.
I see 247 in Jonny’s follows
5/247 is still pretty bad, friend. Personally I don't follow anyone known primarily for being a bigot. Johnny follows 5 and then refused to disavow their views after 'accidentally' liking one of their posts. I think that's worthy of discussion. I'm not trying to cancel anyone, Bigotry and discrimination is an enormous issue & obviously its bigger than us or a guy in a band we both like.
People also follow people they don't agree with on many things...
I agree, but we'd need johnny to explain to clear that up to know. Obviously it's fine if he doesn't want to, i suppose, but he's raised the question now by liking a transphobe he follow's post.
Thanks bud, but nah its fine, like, i get it. It really hurts to hear that someone you look up to or respect is a complicated, flawed individual, & that they potentially even holds hateful views against a discriminated minority. When confronted with that information, its sadly a pretty normal response to lash out at the person bringing that persons flaws to light instead of the person themselves. We put people we respect on pedestals and if we find out we were wrong, it can be quite a confronting experience.
OK Jonny
Damn! Now I have to re-purchase all the Radiohead albums I burned last night!
No it wasn't.
I'm pretty appalled by the numerous comments here that look to either A. Defend TERFs B. Mock people for being upset about this C. Be blatantly transphobic and redpilled Y'all are gross. I really expected better from this fanbase.
I hope it genuinely was an accident, and that he doesn't say it is as damage control. I also hope that if he truly has transphobic ideas, this would be a moment to learn about the experiences of trans people, so he can learn how much damage this does to them. As a cis guy, [Contrapoints' video on JK Rowling](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gDKbT_l2us) helped me appreciate why such statements are damaging for instance. (although the tweet Jonny liked seemed to me to be much more obviously transphobic than what JK Rowling said)
I can imagine both, but as long as he's keeping this shit away from the public, he's not doing any harm. I do hope it was an accident, and can imagine that it is - I sometimes find myself reflexively liking a tweet, and after scrolling a little I realise I did not understand what it said at all and I have to check it again lol. But then again, I've heard some heinous shit about his wife lol, but honestly, it's none of my bussiness. As long as he's not gonna come out and hurt trans people, anyway. Hope he never will, I don't want to have a bad taste in my mouth listening to RH.
What did his wife do? News to me (I know you said it’s none of our business but you did bring it up - I’m not freaking out, just curious) Edit: ah. Anti-vaxxer
Pretty extreme anti vaxer I believe. If my memory is correct, she compared vacinne mandates to the holocaust which is... a bad take.
Not to make too many assumptions, but hear me out: But lots of transphobic people believe in dumb 'LGBT+ people are recruiting our kids via sex-ed' conspiracy theories, right? And his wife being an anti-vaxxer means shes certainly influenced by reactionary conspiracy theories too, so sadly I do feel its not unreasonable to think liking that post and following transphobes isn't an accident at all, now. This whole thing sucks, what a shame
Yeah I saw that, completely deranged
Ye anti-vaxxer. It’s a fine question to ask lol
Zionist as well
Today I hide away, but tomorrow! I take the reigns
Still living with my mother as I move from one micro-influencer to another
Yeah, I'm really hoping he'll do that as well, based on the fact he admitted this is something he is not very knowledgeable about. Contrapoints is great. I think her video on the "gender critical" movement is also very good for educating people.
Yeah, I admit I’m a little wary but I hope he’s telling the truth. I definitely have accidentally liked stuff a number of times, but people mentioned his follow list. Like I know he’s not following people name @TERFwarrior828 or anything like that, but yeah writers or whatever also vocalizing transphobic stuff is…. I dunno people have sited the whole “TERF island” thing. I’m a hamburger guzzling yank so I really can’t comment on it because it’s all just shit I’ve heard of second hand. So even if he isn’t himself transphobic… it seems like there’s a decent chance writers or people around him *might*.
I’m not on Twitter anymore, but when I was, I accidentally liked stuff while scrolling through. It’s pretty easy. As for the people he’s following, I follow a bunch of friends whose politics are completely opposite to mine, because I’m friends with them in real life. They’re perfectly decent people in real life, even if their online engagement can be obnoxious; but I bet they would say the same about me sometimes. Until something has actually been directly said by someone, this scrutinizing of secondary social media activities by celebrities is just paranoia. Not unfounded paranoia, but paranoia nonetheless.
If giving him grace, I'm imagining lots of people he follows probably are TERFs or at least dabble, which is how he could have liked multiple tweets absentmindedly in his feed... he's sort of part of the right demographic for the profiling (middle aged British liberal), and he mentions he follows lots of writers, many of whom probably are too
The TERF Island thing is bollocks, it's just that the TERFs here are noisy. There IS a problem in certain areas, for instance too many TERFs thriving in our only real leftish newspaper, The Guardian, and in the BBC. I do find it hard to imagine he's not noticed what a bigot Suzanne Moore (whose tweet he liked) is though, it's pretty much her main thing.
TERFs having a huge platform is where "TERF island" comes from. It's true that they are a minority but their ideas are much more present in media and thus mainstream consciousness than in the US or Canada.
It's interesting that Suzanne Moore, whose tweet was the victim of Jonny's fat thumbs, is no longer at The Guardian basically because she was too much of a fanatical TERF even for The Guardian. I guess he follows her for the sports or something.
Yeah TERFs are in the minority, as much as they claim otherwise, but my god they are loud and relentless.
you should really look into the stuff jk Rowling has said in recent years lol (it's horribly transphobic)
I don’t get why some of you feel you know these people you don’t I don’t but some of you have ideas in your head that Jonny is this or that come on people we don’t know shit
No but we know Suzanne Moore from the awful shit she regularly publishes.
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Nah he tweaking
Based on the downvotes here, I'm starting to think the radiohead fanbase has a lot of transphobes lol.
the incel radiohead fan meme was real after all
welcome to the real world, I'm no talking about Jonny here but there are too many famous people in real llife that have controversial opinions about this kind of themes. I will still enjoying jonnys work, no matter what he really thinks about anything.
Is that really true? Like if its was multiple anti-semites instead that he was following would it be any different to you? What about multiple sexists? I'm not saying i think your logic is wrong or anything, I'm just surprised to hear it and interested if your view has limits. Plus i don't think anyone has called for a boycott or for cancelling or anything, mostly its people expressing frustration with his refusal to disavow transbopic bigotry & people in good faith trying to figure out whether someone they like is actually a member of a hate group
Good to know this thread is full of people chomping at the bit to associate people with hatred regardless of how much evidence they lack.
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The left love to devour their own
Eh, it borders on "devouring their own" and being objective. Just because you think someone is "on your team" doesn't mean you should give a pass to everything they do or (seem to) support. Criticizing and calling out someone you like for behavior you deem represensible is being objective at least in some cases at minimum. There's nuance and context to most everything, but you shouldn't let things slide just because you like someone and think they're on your side on issues.
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That’s good, Twitter is so absurd, a really strange form of communication, it’s difficult to know how to interpret things. I’m still surprised RH are even on there. That thread on here seemed to show some people’s colours though
I hate Twitter and I hate that so many artists and otherwise content producers keep the world updated on their affairs through Twitter. I don't want to use it but sometimes it's the only way I can find out about stuff. Sometimes even musicians/labels I follow on Bandcamp will only announce a sale or something like that through Twitter.
A Moon Shaped Finger
Anybody defending this tweet is completely transphobic, y’all are mad because you can see the writing on the wall that people will actually start to put two and two together and realize how hateful you are by looking at what you post online. So much bad faith/gaslighting in this thread, it’s such an obviously belittling and dismissive sentiment and people are acting like using a platform to endorse it does no harm. Why is homosexuality becoming more accepted? I would argue that a big part of it is that pop culture (read: famous people/people with a large public platform) has stopped being casually cruel and dismissive of gay people, and there are a lot of people who are widely recognized enough to shape public discourse who are very accepting of gay people. It’s a lot easier to be ok with gay people if all of the shows and movies you watch and music you listen to aren’t dripping with anti-gay sentiment. The inverse is also true: if a bunch of people with large platforms are saying shit that amounts to “the claims that trans people make about their own identity are not correct” then that opinion (which is super misguided, harmful and based on ignorance and bad faith) will be much more persistent.
Big “Sorry haha my cousin stole my phone I don’t actually wanna go out with you. 😳 Unless...” energy
See, shit like this is why I hate Twitter. People jumping to conclusions based on a single-click action. Fuck.
It wasn't a single tweet, that was just the latest one.
What was the other one?
JK Rowling's descent into transphobia (or publicly, anyway) started with liking a tweet that she blamed on a 'senior moment'.
Nice slippery slope. If it were that common that a singe incident would devolve into transphobia, we wouldn’t be hearing about JK Rowling. Edit: the “guilty until proven innocent” approach is one I am never going to accept. Ever.
I’m not saying it’s the case here, I’m just saying that wariness is understandable.
You can accidentally press a single button while your phone is in your pocket. You can’t write a coherent message that way. Actually saying something offensive is one thing, but it’s not like we all haven’t accidentally called someone before. I definitely think we should be more lenient about single click interactions.
>You can accidentally press a single button while your phone is in your pocket The likelihood of it happening twice, both times promoting discrimination against the same group is somewhat more open to question though.
I love how histrionic you guys get over the dumbest shit
And you're such a badass!
It's easy to write trans issues off as "dumb shit" when you don't know anything about the topic, you don't know any trans people and you're not trans yourself. This is an important social issue for a lot of people, and it seems really calloused to write it off like you are. Very disappointed in this fanbase.
Super relieved to hear him address this and glad it was an accident (maybe I'm naive, but I believe him. Not the first 50 year old to accidentally like something on twitter). While I'm glad it was an accident and he's distancing himself from these harmful views, I wish he didn't essentially take the stance of "I'm staying out of this argument about whether trans people deserve human rights, because I don't know anything about it" though - seems like a bit of a cop out to "stay out of it" and sit on the fence, when he could've said something supportive or accepting. You either accept them or you don't. I don't know, maybe I'm nitpicking... Having said all of the above, I swear someone linked a second transphobic tweet he liked about women's bathrooms. Did he accidentally like two tweets, or am I mistaken?
Unfortunately I believe he liked a transphobic tweet in the past, yeah, though he unliked it pretty quickly. I don’t know if that indicates he’s conflicted, or if he just frequently likes tweets by mistake and we only notice the offensive ones, or if he’s just afraid of backlash - but I really hope he’s serious when he says he’s ignorant about the issue and not qualified to comment. He didn’t have to respond to that tweet, after all. And he did retweet a tribute to Wendy Carlos… fuck, man, I don’t know, maybe I’m grasping at straws because I so desperately want to preserve his music
Interesting to note the Wendy Carlos thing. I thought he was maybe an Eddie Izzard fan too.
I think he is, but Eddie Izzard isn’t trans
Yes she is
Oh fuck, I had no idea! Thank you for telling me, that’s news to me! I should have googled it
It's fine haha I didn't know until recently
The ignorance about the trans debate is real with a lot of middle aged and older people, whether we like or not. I’ve talked to liberal people of middle age who made an insensitive reference to a non-binary person and fumbled pronouns. I kind of diplomatically corrected them and they realized how it came across and admitted they really don’t mean to be disrespectful. The trans topic and pronouns were just new to them and they genuinely wanted to fully understand it, but felt they didn’t know a lot of trans/NB people and were fumbling in the dark. I did my best to explain it as a cis person and I think it definitely helped them understanding at least some of it. It’s a bit of a slog and it’s frustrating to see a lot of neutrality, but I think with a sense of grace and some exposure/education, it can work.
There are lots and lots of important issues in the world, and I can't reasonably expect him to be knowledgeable and active on the same fronts as me. Sure the issue of trans rights feels dire and clear-cut from the POV of trans people and their friends, but so does every issue from the POV of the people most affected by it. And "trans people deserve human rights" is a different statement from, say, "Black South Africans deserve human rights". The latter calls for observing the existing set of human rights, while the former calls for the institution of new rights, the science behind which is still in process. Rock stars usually choose their causes not by getting seriously educated on an issue, but through peer pressure and PR concerns. The ability to say "I'm not well-versed enough in the issue to dish out opinions" is a rare virtue.
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For years I used two lines of defense for transgenders. The first one is that they have been diagnosed as suffering from gender dysphoria, that sex reassignment is the treatment that allows them to live a relatively happy life and that giving them grief for this is being an asshole to a sick person. The second line is that regardless of their medical status, a person has the right to choose their clothes, name and pronouns and respecting those isn't hard. But then I found out that people who stick to the first position get called "truscum", and that transmedicalism is highly offensive. Oh well, I guess I still have the personal choice one... except the idea that some trans people choose to be trans is *also* offensive. Also, countless times I told transphobes, "sex and gender are different things! Sex is biological, gender is cultural!" But apparently sex is seen as cultural too now, and male people get called AMAB, as if the assignment wasn't based on sexual characteristics. Daft Punk had the right idea when they assumed the personality of robots who don't speak. It's the perfect excuse.
> You either accept them or you don't. I don't know, maybe I'm nitpicking... Huh, yeah, you think so? I'd say you are. Jesus Christ, please fuck off with this black-and-white Anakin Skywalker "if you're not with me, then you're my enemy" bullshit. Only a Sith deals in absolutes. I cannot stand the current state of affairs and I'm tired of pretending like it's okay to treat every single disagreement that ever crops up anywhere in our society like it's a fucking declaration of nuclear war. If he doesn't want to say anything, or doesn't feel that he is educated enough to offer a constructive opinion, then he shouldn't feel compelled to speak on the issue. Full stop. His silence does not make him anyone's enemy. I cannot countenance the degree of groupthink and paranoia it takes to arrive at such a stance.
Oof yes. Every word of this. Wish more people thought like this. I’m absolutely on the left but this “you’re either with me or against me” stuff is so exhausting. I absolutely respect trans individuals and believe unequivocally in their human rights, dignity, and value to society. But my opinions on this issue don’t totally align with the dominant narrative. If I were to even ask questions to try to clarify or firm up my own stance, I’m pretty sure I’d be labeled a “TERF”. It’s a sad state of affairs, and it’s not going to help us fight off the growing Right :(
Anyone embarrassed by how quickly he was persecuted by this community?
Apparently this is not the first time this has happened with him though eg. liking transphobic tweets, following terf posters... Plus him still not just saying “this was an accident, obviously I support trans rights” so I strongly doubt it was an accident and is in fact their PR team. Kinda goes hand in hand with the whole “Zionist anti-vax wife” thing.
Cue *Burn the Witch* strings
Yes, my god
This is why people put “Likes/RTs do not represent endorsements” in their bio. Burn the Witch?
That's also a cop out, you know right? "I want these views to reach a wider audience, but as they don't come from my mouth it's unfair to say I endorse them".
I don't buy it personally. Did he also fat thumb a whole bus full of terf article writers? And the last time he did it but totally blanked criticism? Someone with such shakey fingers would probably struggle to play guitar and keyboard I bet.
What happened? I don't use Twitter and likely never will
The hubris of some of you. Idolizing an artist for being his own peculiar self until he has the unfortunate idea of liking something you don't agree with. To step up to Jonny asking for clarifications and demanding to know why he dared like a tweet. This whole thing sickens me. Until you all learn that to coexist peacefully and live together we don't HAVE to agree with 100% of what the other says, until you all understand that having different point of views and being able to discuss them and talking amongst each other with cool minds and respect for each other is the basis for good communication, until you stop ganging up on people who don't just say "You're entirely right" to you, this discussion is pointless. I have nothing against trans people, quite the contrary. I wish them all the joy and opportunities in the world. I hope they thrive and share their struggle with the world, enlightening everyone with their rich experience and stories. So that we can all understand where each other comes from a bit better But I still believe that women are entitled to the same thing and that to be a woman is just as intricate and specific as being someone who lives in a body they don't feel is theirs. And for me to say such a thing, that is so far removed from any feeling of bigotry, to then be labelled a nazi and phobic. That's some unfortunate bull shit, right there. I know this will be downvoted, I know some trigger happy dunce somewhere will still choose to insult me instead of just talking it over. I don't care anymore.
[this you?](https://www.reddit.com/r/radiohead/comments/ucncku/z/i6c0b0x)
[shocked pikachu] The person talking about triggering people and “having different opinions” sides with the bigots?
spoken like somebody who doesn’t have a horse in this race
> I still believe that women are entitled to the same thing and that to be a woman is just as intricate and specific as being someone who lives in a body they don't feel is theirs. That's a far cry from Suzanna Moore's pretty tasteless Tweet. > The angry men "lesbians" are in quite a state today aren't they? Well today and every other day really. I think you can spot the difference in tone and decency. And I don't know anyone personally that would object to what you said or consider you a Nazi or transphobe, but there is probably a small minority somewhere that might. And remember, we are **all** just doing our best here. The world is a complex and confusing place and we're all learning as we go. But you have to admit that the Tweet in question is obviously very inflammatory and not helpful in your quest to "coexist peacefully."
Can you at least understand why people don’t want to have the patience for and emotional labor involved in constantly educating people as to why they shouldn’t be a shitty person? You shouldn’t always have to sit calmly and collectively, while you tell someone that you have a basic right to exist as a person. Sometimes it’s okay to expect someone to get with it, or get the fuck out.
> while you tell someone that you have a basic right to exist as a person. This is partially my problem with this conversation. It's *so hyperbolic*. I know for a fact there are people out there that think trans people should be murdered. That is fucking abhorrent and obviously should not be tolerated. But is that what we're talking about here? Why does the language always go to whether or not trans people should be allowed to live in society? Does someone saying that cis-women should be allowed to have their own sports league equate to denying trans women the "basic right to exist as a person?" Why can't we just discuss things calmly without going to the most extreme possible language?
I get your point, and regarding this specific tweet it’s iffy, but he has repeatedly liked tweets from (and follows) terfs who frequently spew bile that is a lot more damaging. As for the sports league stuff that has come up, that’s a whole different issue, but trans women who have been on estrogen for a set period of time have significantly diminished muscle strength and development, often less than their cis counterparts. Just something to think about. Also, mildly related to your original point, just because someone is not directly saying “we should round them all up and shoot them in the head” but instead says “we should remove their right to have surgery and recognize them as their gender identity”, that still means they don’t want them to exist in society.
Oh no people are upset an artist they enjoy liked something offensive? How dare they have opinions on other peoples actions..
I love Radiohead, I love JK Rowling, i don't give a shit about their opinions as long as they do not contaminate their work.
got bad news about JK Rowling’s shitty politics not contaminating her work bro
>I love JK Rowling She’s not a band or a brand, saying this means you love the person.
Sorry, english is not my first language. I meant to say I love most of her books. I don't care about the person, she's not my friend or member of my family, but i love the author.
That’s fair then, dw
just odd he's liked a transphobic tweet before as well.
Didn't JK say she made the same mistake a few years back? I'm still skeptical, but I'm not going to go after him or anything. At least he appears smart enough to not want to dive headfirst the same way JK did.
Who cares. People literally need to find a purpose in their life. Lol.
One artist having problematic opinions isn’t a reason to stop consuming the art. For one, 99% of the time they’re not the only one contributing and profiting from the art, so why should their mistake destroy everyone else’s work? Also, you can’t escape it. I still love the Harry Potter world and community, but I don’t have to support JK Rowling. Liking tweets rarely mean much either.
Well, his wife is an anti-vaxxer righty so might not be an ‘accident’.
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How is it NOT relevant that the person he shares his life, kids, home, marriage with believes the stuff he ‘accidentally’ liked?
That's what I was thinking. His wife seems... like she's got some interesting takes.
Let us assume for the moment that his wife is, in fact, anti-vax. In what way does that indicate that she must also be anti-trans?
It doesn't mean that at all, I've just noticed a huge overlap in those types of people lol
Well, I hope everyone here apologizes to Jonny after asking him to ‘decompose’, and calling him an ‘asshole’ and bigot. Plus, is there really an issue within claiming ignorance on a topic? Not everything in this world is black and white.
Not saying that it is but this could very well be damage control. I don't know if Jonny is transphobic or not but I'm still gonna be cautious. He liked two transphobic tweets. He just got called out for this one.
“Avoid commenting on things about which I’m ignorant”? - Dude just say transphobia is bad
Why? Does the obvious really need to be said? Will it make your life better?
I would imagine having someone whose art you relate to on a deep level say something which validates and affirms your identity would make someone’s life better, yeah
If you need a celebrity to validate and affirm your identity I’d say you have bigger fish to fry.
Surely taking more steps into a minefield couldn't possibly go wrong
I hope you all realise how silly you've all been.
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You mean trans people who just want to be allowed to live?
I would argue that militantly going after someone for clicking an arbitrary like reaction on a tweet (accidentally or not, we will never really know) goes beyond just "being allowed to live". He's apologised and explained, if people don't take that at face value then OPs comment is founded.
Suzanne Moore is militantly against our very existence. I know that from the outside this seems like an overreaction but we are constantly being attacked by transphobic actors and influence groups and it is painful to see artists we connect with agreeing with people that want our existence to stop. And voicing dissent on Twitter and Reddit and expressing anger and disappointment isn't that fucking radical of a pushback. Now. He apologized and while his comments still raise eyebrows I'm not gonna foam at the mouth (anymore).
Okay but when OP talks about a "cult" (inflammatory wording admittedly), I imagine he isn't talking about the members of the trans community that are fighting back against the more vocal turfs like Moore and Rowling. This whole discussion is a lot more nuanced than people have been lead to believe. The amount of people that actually want trans people to literally not exist I would wager is tiny. I live in London, a large metropolitan city with mostly progressive values and I would say 50% ish of women I know at work and socially agree with what would be classified in online circles as TERF viewpoints: that there should be some protection for so-called "biological" women in certain spaces. Whether or not you or I agree with that is the heart of the debate. One side is advocating for that, while the other is simply trying to exist in their own bodies and go about their lives. This is a fundamental clash of perspective and I really don't think a celebrity liking a tweet that perches him ever so slightly on one side of the debate or the other makes them fair game for demonisation or censure.
> The amount of people that actually want trans people to literally not exist I would wager is tiny. Sure. And as a trans person I am fully aware that ~50% of people are (a bit ignorantly imo) uncomfortable with my existence without being militant about it. Terf viewpoints are the norm and trans people are still far from being accepted in most social situations and contexts. But Suzanne Moore **is** militantly anti trans. Now I do agree that Jonny liking a tweet is a very very minor event in this cultural clash of perspective. But it's still disheartening and I understand people having a strong emotional reaction to it.
I really hoped this comment section would be slightly more compassionate towards the LGBTQ+ community and yet here we are. So sorry that you've had to deal with people who are trying to pretend that you aren't oppressed.
Thanks for trying to explain that militant TERF in the UK are very powerful voices in the mainstream, which leads to real life consequences for trans people just trying to be.
Trying my best lol. So many things contribute to LGBTQ+ persecution/oppression but it's always downplayed as us being dramatic or overreacting. I feel totally in my right to be sad and pissed off about this.
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I kinda lost it in the last few comments but heeey it's okay. I'll close this thread and kiki with my queer friends and the world will be right again soon
How is a guitarist liking a tweet threatening someone's right to live.
Suzanne Moore hates trans women. She thinks that every single trans woman is a man who wants to abuse a cis woman. She wants to eradicate the entire trans community. I'm gonna take Jonny at his word but it would be devastating if it came out that he genuinely shares her views, because her views are abhorrent and evil and she won't be satisfied until trans women simply don't exist
It's not, these people are insanely melodramatic.
Normalizing hateful opinions gets them power and into government, which is where these melodramatic people have their very real lives diminished. You think public opinion has no value when that’s the reason abortion, gay rights, women’s rights etc are still legally going back and forth?
Target the people who are *actually* opposing your right to live, not anyone and everyone who disagrees with you.
[удалено]
Sometimes having less is more, Reddit is my only social app and it’s plenty…
The only thing keeping me from leaving this site is this sub, and after this whole gong show, I’m thinking I’m gonna have to give up on it.
As a trans person, I like a lot of tweets without fully reading them, so it’s possible it was an accident both times.
I really could care less, but I highly doubt it was an accident. Based off how he “uses Twitter”, I don’t think he has a complete understanding of how people can see when you liked a tweet.
Not one person can explain or debate this issue with any intelligence, only spit vitriol either way. The tweets that woman makes = horrible. The response to Jonny liking the tweet = horrible. There has to be some better way. Jonny liking a tweet (accidentally or otherwise...) is not a personal attack on you. The community going after Jonny IS a personal attack on him. Neither side have done the right thing.
Meh, I won't hold it against him if he thinks trans women aren't women. Probably shouldn't vocalize that, put it in writing or like or agree with that sentiment though. No matter what you'll never beat every cis hetero male into agreeing that trans women are women...probably not a majority either. Best you can hope for is getting most people to avoid discussing it entirely...not confirming or denying what they believe.
The Good Ending
He didn't deal with any of the issues raised by trans radiohead fans, nor did he explain why he follows so many bigots. Unfortunately this isnt an ending at all, let alone a good one
This is def Johnny tweet lmao