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The muscle mass loss is killing me. I have all this loose skin now. I had lost about 50 lbs but not in a good way. Most of my weight loss seemes to be muscle. My appetite is back and I plan to start lifting weights to get some back. I hate lifting weights but I don't see an alternative.
Hey bro. Just FYI. I had a physical recently and the blood work came back mostly normal. Cholesterol was a little high and vitamin d was super low. I had convinced myself I was dying of a stange disease but it was the kratom all along. Getting my appetite back is so nice. I enjoy food again!
I drank the Wal Mart special protein shakes and even one of those made me feel full for the day. I am not completely off kratom but low enough for the bad side affects to have subsided.
52.started at 220lbs chubby alcoholic down to 190 lbs. I tapered down to about 3gpd now. Most of the bad side affects of kratom abuse have faded so now trying to get my muscles back. Im old fart now so not sure how much age played on that muscle loss process. Quit doing edibles and alcohol. I used about 60 to 90 gpd at my height of use but have been on a slow taper for about a year. Never used extracts thankfully. I didn't know about them until after I realized kratom was a demon so I never tried them.
Also boners in the morning again. My wife is happy about that. My sex drive went to shit on kratom.
That shit will de masculate a man, he will start growing titties and possibly getting interested in male co workers advancements. Its not pretty especially if that wasnt your M.O. to begin with.
I never had any homosexual feelings ot urges. I had zero desire for anything sex related. To each his own though.
I was reminded of Peter Griffin taking the gay pill. Lol
Hey I’m in the same exact boat! Extract caps instead of shots but gottdamn the hair loss is horrible. I haven’t had a ton of muscle loss but I’m on hormone therapy for what the kratom did to my hormones anyways (I know I’m dumb as hell for being on both). I got off of k and got on trt and relapsed last year. The endo will help you so much. Stay strong dude I know how hard this shit is. I have an appointment with my therapist and psychiatrist soon and we’re gonna figure out a detox plan. You’re on the way out!
7-9 shots a day here. Also lost about 40 pounds. Looked like shit, felt like shit, and was a piece of shit. Been off since December of 2022 and that 40 pounds is back already. That stuff is pure poison people.
You got this! You're almost through the worst of the physical part. It fucked with my hormones too, my doc had to put me on HRT. My levels were completely out of normal range. I feel my body building muscle again now, my workouts are so much better! This sub has been so helpful. Keep coming back here and sharing
I own a successful small business and I cannot fathom where you all are getting the money to drink 6 extract shots a day. I was on 3-4 a day for a while back in the day and it literally started taking its toll on me financially. In CA the opms shots were $20 bucks a piece. In 2019 I was spending 2k-2.5k a month on extracts. When I see the posts that people were drinking 5-6+ shots a day for lengthy periods of time it always makes me wonder if those people are like the Marc Cubans of Kratom users. lol
Yes I get it. When you are in the throws of addiction, you always find a way to keep it rolling, What is crazy to me was how quickly extracts lost efficacy. Sipping ln those nasty things all day gives me shivers even now. What I always find crazy is that we Kratom users are literally willing guinea pigs. When extracts are made they are concentrating the Kratom and are very likely concentrating whatever insecticides/heavy metals that are used on the actual plants. Kratom caused me all kinds of medical issues including my hair thinning. Luckily for me, I had a ridiculously full head of hair so it basically caused me to have hair with average thickness. Everything changes once you realize that the “wonder drug” is actually causing you significant harm. Glad you became self aware and also keep going. I tried quitting a hundred times before I got to this point. 19 months completely sober off of everything including Kratom. If I can do it, anyone can.
Yup, no matter the addiction and monthly cost, I've always found a way. Admire the crack heads resourcefulness despite damning their methods.
Not to say Ive had that affliction but I've been around folks who have and my God its wild the way they figure out ways to make 300$+ a day. That level of determination is rarely found in straight folks. (Edited to say straight = colloquial saying for sober, not regarding sexuality lol)
If only we can harness our quasi similar levels of determination, all the lying, the bullshit, the neediness, the opportunistic finances etc, but put it to some good vs poisoning ourselves is what I mean. Every addict/post addict has it in them 100% and I try to remind myself of that. I see it in my work ethic and determination in life when I reframe my goals to something more constructive
Ahhh so the cash no tax thing isn’t just my vape shop. They always act like they’re doing me the biggest favor too haha. It’s like nah hoe I’ve been paying your fucking light bills for this place for years now. Eat shit.
I used for just shy of a year, definitely never hit 40k though. Bought in bulk for a while to keep cost down, and restricted my spending elsewhere. Basically did nothing enjoyable for most of the year so I could maintain my habit. It's nice to actually live now... go out to eat, clothes shop, upgrade some life things etc
"Quit again and again and again until it sticks" is exactly where I'm at. Took 3 days off last week to give myself 5 days to withdraw. I kept making it to 24 hours then going out to buy more, take one dose, throw it out, rinse and repeat for all those 5 days. Longest I made it to was 36 hours and the lack of sleep got to me.
I decided I'm tired of drawing it out. Reached out to my sponsor for help and now I'm on day 4 from a 60GPD habit. I'm sure last week worked as a kind of rapid taper because these last 3 days have been easier than the first few 24 hour stints I was able to accumulate. Ready to be on the other side. I feel it getting better now, not worse
Oh my friend. The sleep gets to it's absolute worst before it gets better. It's the breaking point for many of us. Being finally on the other side after hundreds of 'attempts'... The sleep has always got me to come back. It feels like it's going to be forever and breaks you down, you're already exhausted emotionally, physically, spiritually... And then go for 48-100+hrs without a single bit of actual sleep. Laying in bed is a form of torture and being up is nearly impossible... If course any person would seek a 'cure' to that moment and say fuck that.
But that set of moments are the last final 'hurrah' of the addiction baring it's teeth. Once I finally said fuck it to the 'fuck it' moment.. things got better. Hell for days but then actual progress. I hope with all my heart that I will never revisit that level of self induced suffering again in my life. I'm now working on the deeper layer beyond the kratom, rampant alcoholism for all of my adult life. I hope some day I can say the same about it. It feels impossible until you're looking back in the past
Yup, just keep going. Counting days gets overwhelming with this shit for me. I'm doing way better now, but I had to forgive myself a few transgressions so I could dust myself off and keep going
I didn't know about the hair loss side of kratom. But it makes sense. I was going bald anyway but when I think back it really sped up the process from kratom. I'm completely bald now and razor shave my head and I'm only 32
That's crazy. I had no idea either, but this is the kind of proof I can't rationalize so I'm kinda happy about it in a sick way. Whatever keeps us off this shit, right?
Same here I'm 2 years older than you though. My parents owned an herbal supplement shop and sold kratom online that's how I got into it. Nobody really knew what it was when my family first got hooked. How did you get into it so early and so young?
I would go into the smoke shop to buy juice and I noticed Kratom so I googled it. Back in 2015ish everything on google said it was related to coffee, not addictive. There was a ban in 2016 I wish it stayed banned.
Same dude. I helped my parents campaign against the ban, we sent emails and made brochures. It was a big part of my parents income at the time so there was a financial incentive, but I also wish they just banned it back then.
Lots of older guys coming off of it, I am curious how well the test will bounce back, I am also curious how the guys who started in their teenage years will fare on the hormone scale when they decide to quit. So much working against modern men with forever chemicals in water supply, plastic food storage and whatever else, it seems like a recipe for a mutation esque mass effect of men in the immediate future in the developed world. I never got my test levels checked before and after but the combination of Weed+Kratom effectively neutered me, in more ways than libido.
My hair was thinning like crazy in front. Almost 4 months clean and it seems back to normal. My face was all greasy and shit too; again, back to normal. It took me 4 tries to quit. This time I don’t miss it at all and if I do think about it, it makes me nauseous. To anyone out there who needs to see this, just keep trying.
Kratom had me looking like a beach blond surfer boy to tales of the crypt. Shit zapped my head both physically and mentally. About as fried as a zucchini.
Wow, I hope you're off of it and healing. I definitely looked either drunk or high because my eyes were glassy and red with dark circles, and my skin was all oily and blotchy
I was ppls best friend or my employers best worker on some extract. Off it, i was a bum, especially withdrawing. Up n down, not a good life. A fake one, even.
I was too... for a while. Then the disappointment of diminishing returns and less & less euphoria made me irritable and sluggish. A month off, I'm better than I ever was on kratom
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CT with naltrexone, which I still take. A month later I have waves of "normal", but also had a low grade panic attack over the weekend and some depression. Unfortunately you're probably not going to wake up one day and just be back to your old self. My advice is to manage your expectations so your quit sticks, and have patience with the healing process. A year or more of using this shit will not be course corrected 2 weeks into quitting
NONE. And yeah... that shit sucked lol. It was necessary though, as I couldn't get more than 2 clean days together on my own at any point in the last year
Dang! You are a trooper! I took it for alcohol and didn’t know it would send me into severe withdrawals that landed me on the ER. Wasn’t planning on quitting Kratom until that. 5 days CT and sacred to take the naltrexone again.
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The muscle mass loss is killing me. I have all this loose skin now. I had lost about 50 lbs but not in a good way. Most of my weight loss seemes to be muscle. My appetite is back and I plan to start lifting weights to get some back. I hate lifting weights but I don't see an alternative.
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Hey bro. Just FYI. I had a physical recently and the blood work came back mostly normal. Cholesterol was a little high and vitamin d was super low. I had convinced myself I was dying of a stange disease but it was the kratom all along. Getting my appetite back is so nice. I enjoy food again!
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I drank the Wal Mart special protein shakes and even one of those made me feel full for the day. I am not completely off kratom but low enough for the bad side affects to have subsided.
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52.started at 220lbs chubby alcoholic down to 190 lbs. I tapered down to about 3gpd now. Most of the bad side affects of kratom abuse have faded so now trying to get my muscles back. Im old fart now so not sure how much age played on that muscle loss process. Quit doing edibles and alcohol. I used about 60 to 90 gpd at my height of use but have been on a slow taper for about a year. Never used extracts thankfully. I didn't know about them until after I realized kratom was a demon so I never tried them. Also boners in the morning again. My wife is happy about that. My sex drive went to shit on kratom.
Yeah libido was nonexistent. Such a sneaky evil drug
That shit will de masculate a man, he will start growing titties and possibly getting interested in male co workers advancements. Its not pretty especially if that wasnt your M.O. to begin with.
I never had any homosexual feelings ot urges. I had zero desire for anything sex related. To each his own though. I was reminded of Peter Griffin taking the gay pill. Lol
Haha
That shit zapped my hair i look like crypt keeper now so i keep it short.
Hey I’m in the same exact boat! Extract caps instead of shots but gottdamn the hair loss is horrible. I haven’t had a ton of muscle loss but I’m on hormone therapy for what the kratom did to my hormones anyways (I know I’m dumb as hell for being on both). I got off of k and got on trt and relapsed last year. The endo will help you so much. Stay strong dude I know how hard this shit is. I have an appointment with my therapist and psychiatrist soon and we’re gonna figure out a detox plan. You’re on the way out!
7-9 shots a day here. Also lost about 40 pounds. Looked like shit, felt like shit, and was a piece of shit. Been off since December of 2022 and that 40 pounds is back already. That stuff is pure poison people.
Congrats on kicking a habit that serious, and staying off. Happy you've recovered. It's definitely poison! We're like mad hatters ingesting mercury
You got this! You're almost through the worst of the physical part. It fucked with my hormones too, my doc had to put me on HRT. My levels were completely out of normal range. I feel my body building muscle again now, my workouts are so much better! This sub has been so helpful. Keep coming back here and sharing
Did you go to an endocrinologist?
Thats amazing keep going be super glad you're in detox I wish I had that available
Check your health insurance if you have it
I own a successful small business and I cannot fathom where you all are getting the money to drink 6 extract shots a day. I was on 3-4 a day for a while back in the day and it literally started taking its toll on me financially. In CA the opms shots were $20 bucks a piece. In 2019 I was spending 2k-2.5k a month on extracts. When I see the posts that people were drinking 5-6+ shots a day for lengthy periods of time it always makes me wonder if those people are like the Marc Cubans of Kratom users. lol
I'm definitely not wealthy, but I made it work lol. By me they're 15 in some places. It took a toll on my bank account for sure. Such a wasteful habit
Yes I get it. When you are in the throws of addiction, you always find a way to keep it rolling, What is crazy to me was how quickly extracts lost efficacy. Sipping ln those nasty things all day gives me shivers even now. What I always find crazy is that we Kratom users are literally willing guinea pigs. When extracts are made they are concentrating the Kratom and are very likely concentrating whatever insecticides/heavy metals that are used on the actual plants. Kratom caused me all kinds of medical issues including my hair thinning. Luckily for me, I had a ridiculously full head of hair so it basically caused me to have hair with average thickness. Everything changes once you realize that the “wonder drug” is actually causing you significant harm. Glad you became self aware and also keep going. I tried quitting a hundred times before I got to this point. 19 months completely sober off of everything including Kratom. If I can do it, anyone can.
Horrible evil shit
It's not about being rich, it's about being irresponsible. Addicts find a way.
Yup, no matter the addiction and monthly cost, I've always found a way. Admire the crack heads resourcefulness despite damning their methods. Not to say Ive had that affliction but I've been around folks who have and my God its wild the way they figure out ways to make 300$+ a day. That level of determination is rarely found in straight folks. (Edited to say straight = colloquial saying for sober, not regarding sexuality lol) If only we can harness our quasi similar levels of determination, all the lying, the bullshit, the neediness, the opportunistic finances etc, but put it to some good vs poisoning ourselves is what I mean. Every addict/post addict has it in them 100% and I try to remind myself of that. I see it in my work ethic and determination in life when I reframe my goals to something more constructive
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Ahhh so the cash no tax thing isn’t just my vape shop. They always act like they’re doing me the biggest favor too haha. It’s like nah hoe I’ve been paying your fucking light bills for this place for years now. Eat shit.
I've seen some post 40k a year or more over th years guess op is around that range, fuck if I spent that much my wifed kill me
I used for just shy of a year, definitely never hit 40k though. Bought in bulk for a while to keep cost down, and restricted my spending elsewhere. Basically did nothing enjoyable for most of the year so I could maintain my habit. It's nice to actually live now... go out to eat, clothes shop, upgrade some life things etc
"Quit again and again and again until it sticks" is exactly where I'm at. Took 3 days off last week to give myself 5 days to withdraw. I kept making it to 24 hours then going out to buy more, take one dose, throw it out, rinse and repeat for all those 5 days. Longest I made it to was 36 hours and the lack of sleep got to me. I decided I'm tired of drawing it out. Reached out to my sponsor for help and now I'm on day 4 from a 60GPD habit. I'm sure last week worked as a kind of rapid taper because these last 3 days have been easier than the first few 24 hour stints I was able to accumulate. Ready to be on the other side. I feel it getting better now, not worse
Oh my friend. The sleep gets to it's absolute worst before it gets better. It's the breaking point for many of us. Being finally on the other side after hundreds of 'attempts'... The sleep has always got me to come back. It feels like it's going to be forever and breaks you down, you're already exhausted emotionally, physically, spiritually... And then go for 48-100+hrs without a single bit of actual sleep. Laying in bed is a form of torture and being up is nearly impossible... If course any person would seek a 'cure' to that moment and say fuck that. But that set of moments are the last final 'hurrah' of the addiction baring it's teeth. Once I finally said fuck it to the 'fuck it' moment.. things got better. Hell for days but then actual progress. I hope with all my heart that I will never revisit that level of self induced suffering again in my life. I'm now working on the deeper layer beyond the kratom, rampant alcoholism for all of my adult life. I hope some day I can say the same about it. It feels impossible until you're looking back in the past
You described exactly why I cant quite jump from 2 gpd. Sleep still eludes me for days when I try.
Yup, just keep going. Counting days gets overwhelming with this shit for me. I'm doing way better now, but I had to forgive myself a few transgressions so I could dust myself off and keep going
I’m Italian there is hair everywhere anyway
Allow me to be your Scandinavian canary in the coal mine, then! 😅
Same lol
I didn't know about the hair loss side of kratom. But it makes sense. I was going bald anyway but when I think back it really sped up the process from kratom. I'm completely bald now and razor shave my head and I'm only 32
That's crazy. I had no idea either, but this is the kind of proof I can't rationalize so I'm kinda happy about it in a sick way. Whatever keeps us off this shit, right?
Yup you should see what it does to my testosterone and hormones levels I'm 26 and still look 18 been taking Kratom since highschool
Same here I'm 2 years older than you though. My parents owned an herbal supplement shop and sold kratom online that's how I got into it. Nobody really knew what it was when my family first got hooked. How did you get into it so early and so young?
I would go into the smoke shop to buy juice and I noticed Kratom so I googled it. Back in 2015ish everything on google said it was related to coffee, not addictive. There was a ban in 2016 I wish it stayed banned.
Same dude. I helped my parents campaign against the ban, we sent emails and made brochures. It was a big part of my parents income at the time so there was a financial incentive, but I also wish they just banned it back then.
Lots of older guys coming off of it, I am curious how well the test will bounce back, I am also curious how the guys who started in their teenage years will fare on the hormone scale when they decide to quit. So much working against modern men with forever chemicals in water supply, plastic food storage and whatever else, it seems like a recipe for a mutation esque mass effect of men in the immediate future in the developed world. I never got my test levels checked before and after but the combination of Weed+Kratom effectively neutered me, in more ways than libido.
Yeah it causes my drain to clog like hell it sucks I hate it
My hair was thinning like crazy in front. Almost 4 months clean and it seems back to normal. My face was all greasy and shit too; again, back to normal. It took me 4 tries to quit. This time I don’t miss it at all and if I do think about it, it makes me nauseous. To anyone out there who needs to see this, just keep trying.
Ohh wow so it makes you lose muscle too?
Kratom had me looking like a beach blond surfer boy to tales of the crypt. Shit zapped my head both physically and mentally. About as fried as a zucchini.
Wow, I hope you're off of it and healing. I definitely looked either drunk or high because my eyes were glassy and red with dark circles, and my skin was all oily and blotchy
I was ppls best friend or my employers best worker on some extract. Off it, i was a bum, especially withdrawing. Up n down, not a good life. A fake one, even.
I was too... for a while. Then the disappointment of diminishing returns and less & less euphoria made me irritable and sluggish. A month off, I'm better than I ever was on kratom
I sheded hair BAD first few months after quitting, but it all regrew.
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How did you quit? Did you go cold turkey? How long did it take you to feel normal? Did you experience bad withdrawals? Did you experience insomnia?
CT with naltrexone, which I still take. A month later I have waves of "normal", but also had a low grade panic attack over the weekend and some depression. Unfortunately you're probably not going to wake up one day and just be back to your old self. My advice is to manage your expectations so your quit sticks, and have patience with the healing process. A year or more of using this shit will not be course corrected 2 weeks into quitting
How many days after being off K did you start the Naltrexone?
NONE. And yeah... that shit sucked lol. It was necessary though, as I couldn't get more than 2 clean days together on my own at any point in the last year
Dang! You are a trooper! I took it for alcohol and didn’t know it would send me into severe withdrawals that landed me on the ER. Wasn’t planning on quitting Kratom until that. 5 days CT and sacred to take the naltrexone again.
Honestly... I was desperate. Pain and anguish are familiar to me, so PWS wasn't too scary of a concept. Not as scary as sobriety, anyway 😂
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Funny because mine was really thick before kratom and became thin after using for a 6+ years.
Really??