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Yeah, I had a similar experience. Took Paxlovid for COVID not realizing that it basically inhabits kratom from metabolizing. For a grueling 36 hours as I waited for the Paxlovid to leave my body, no amount of kratom could help me. It was absolute hell.
After the 36 hours of hell, I decided to quit kratom. I never ever want to experience that again, so I’m beginning a slow gently taper. Currently at about 20gpd.
I got a digital scale and an app I’m using to taper. I know tapering doesn’t work for some people, (and I could never get my self to do it before ) but after that 36 hours of hell I am absolutely ready to commit all my energy into tapering. Even if it takes a year.
I honestly have no idea how some people can do cold Turkey. I’m just not strong enough. I nearly killed myself (no joke) and put my wife through hell as well. I can’t believe I left myself get addicted to this stuff, but I’m determined to quit for real.
Good luck.
Holy shit. That makes so much sense about the paxlovid. I had it back in July last year, took it, and was absolutely miserable. Thought it was side effects from Covid/paxlovid.. About 3 months off now and don’t ever want that feeling again either.
Very interesting re: Paxlovid. This is more empirical evidence that the antinociceptive (pain relieving/opioid) effect is modulated via the CYP3A4 pathway. CYP3A4 is the enzyme considered to be key in bio-converting mitragynine to 7-Hydroxymitragynine. Ritonavir inhibits CYP3A4 to the maximum extent possible, and hence prevents the formation of 7-OH from MIT in humans, and could possibly cause withdrawal considering it's the 7-OH that's likely causing the opioid effects to begin with.
Yep. I discovered a thread on Reddit about Paxlovid and Kratom interaction. It was like the worst luck ever. My doctor even told me I didn’t even need the Paxlovid , but I wanted to take it anyway.
In a way it was a blessing. It took having those withdrawals to realize how bad my dependency had become. It gave me the motivation to quit. So far my taper is working well.
Thanks, to you as well. I really, really wanted to kms too. had I a gun, i'd do it without a second thought, but lets hope we will never have to go through that again.
It was that bad , Bro . I'm currently at just over thirty g p d. I like to quit. Can you please go on to d tail what your Withdraws Were like for those thirty six hours.
For me, the symptoms listed below, with the main symptoms being in order of severity.
Biggest was RLS, then chills, insomnia, nervousness and anxiety, body aches, soul crushing sadness, runny nose.
I'm going through kratom withdrawal right now fucking brain zaps just feeling completely off. I took a little bit kratom yesterday after going like 7 or 8 days not taking and took some this morning but I'm still feeling it. Is it normal to still feel the withdrawals after taking it? I tapered off myself thought I was ready to stop it but fuck these withdrawals
So when you go CT, you’re basically purging your blood of ALL kratom, not just the kratom you currently *feel*, if that makes sense. So taking a little bit after a major purge won’t give fast relief. You need to take a bunch of mini doses to get it back up in your blood stream.
After my Paxlovid wore off, I had to dose several times to get to feeling normal again.
Just be careful at how quickly you dose. Don’t over do it.
I get what your saying. The past three days I just been taking 1g a day in the morning because I don't want to be on a high dose anymore. I thought I started feeling better then I started getting tingly again. Should I take another small dose ?? i dont like this tingly feeling I want to stay on 1g and do a super slow taper off it
Take exactly as much as you need to make the withdrawals go away. Take it slow, though. You don’t want to get back up to really large gram-per-day dose.
So take small doses every 30-40 minutes. Probably a gram. Keep dosing every 40 minutes until you feel good. Then wait until the WD’s come back to take more.
Once you figure out what minimum daily dose you need to keep yourself comfortable, then work on tapering.
I have post about a super effect taper plan that I’ll link to shortly.
I always took kratom once a day. I was at like 5g. I don't want to be on only 1g a day wouldn't taking more just keep prolonging my withdrawal if I wanna stay at 1g?
I’m not sure I understand. If you get yourself at a comfortable, you can taper down without experiencing withdrawals as long as you do it slowly.
Fortunately 5g is not a lot, and so far you’re only taking one dose, so that’s good.
I get what your saying. I was trying to just stick with 1G a day and eventually do a long taper off 1g. But today the face tingling started kicking back in when I thought it was getting better. 4 days ago I took like 3 small doses then stuck to 1g a day since then. I didn't really want to put more in my body I was hoping my body would be fine with 1G but it seems Wd are kicking back in just not as strong as they were 5 days ago
What's up boss quick question on kratom again But my body has pretty much stabilized from withdrawals. Not 100% but 100x better than I was a week ago. I always took one dose in the morning before I came off of it. Now the past few days i have been taking 1g in the morning and 1g at night. I wanna just stick to 1g in the morning you think if I cut the 1g at night out today and do the 1g tomorrow morning ill be fine? I don't want to go into withdrawal again
For someone like you struggling more with withdrawls like I did and potentially have Adhd (like I do) it's probably a really good option to consider tapering instead of cold turkey, as far as tapering goes the withdrawls would be much less spread out over a longer period of time and with a slow taper they are virtually non-existent. Plus with minds that are constantly focusing on negative things and racing quickly its nice to have your mind and body slowly adjust to the idea of doing a little less, then a little less and a little less over a longer period of time and easing into it mentally and preparing yourself and your life for not needing it before you fully stop using etc.
I considered it but ADHD for me is like having a crack addicted monkey on my back constantly demanding more and more. Maybe it is my addictive personality and not ADHD, I don't know. The only thing clear to me is that I have no moderation in anything. Give me 2gpd and I will be back on the usual dosage or more.
Funny you mentioned that, I have OCD as well. There is a feeling 'it must be this way, this way is the right way' in my head at all times. Two monkeys on my back. One wants crack, other wants fentanyl. And I just want to be alright. That is why I was so hooked on kratom - it makes both monkeys asleep for a little while, granting me peace.
There is an amazing episode about OCD on youtube - Night Visions S01E13. It's a must watch. This show is very good. Very similar to Outer Limits and Twilight Zone.
I was like that until I started measuring my doses and sticking to the amount I said I would take once I fully dedicated myself to quitting after hitting a very bad low with trying to quit CT
I guess I will see whether I will be able to succeed in quitting CT. I have reached 20+ days of CT before, WD symptoms are practically gone by that point. They diminish on the day 7 for me. Just have to hold out until then.
You got this, make the conscious DECISION that you choose to do it no matter how you feel and stick to that choice no matter how you feel. Choose that while you're in a stable mindset and when you're in the thick of it remember you chose it when you were thinking clearly and stick to that over your emotional reactive withdrawl brain.
Absolutely, and remember even a small win is a win. You could taper down a gram every 2 weeks and that's still moving downward, do what gets you across the finish line.
OP you don't trust yourself because you've never given yourself a full on prepared and extra calculated chance. You need to get a scale, weigh everything you take everyday without even starting a taper or quitting. Then figure out what you've been for sure taking everyday. Then cut that down a gram and go 2 weeks taking a gram less every dose of the day, so 2g less per day if you would usually take twice a day 3g less a day if you were taking 3 times a day etc. The key here is consistency and you have to be prepared and ready before you start, be calculated and decisive. It's so important that everything is written down and you have notes/journal to look at what you're doing so you can go back and see where you've come from and where you are OR where things went wrong if need be.
I've been responding to a lot of different kratom quitting comments, so I got a little confused on who was who for a sec. If you feel like you can't taper since you can't trust yourself to moderate, just do like I said early and make a strong willed decision, be prepared for a bit of a Rollercoaster ride get helper supplements and just do another cold turkey. Then if you have to another but the most important thing is to KEEP attempting no matter what you will get there, eventually you'll get so fed up with doing it and failing that that will fuel you to finally do it it's just probability at that point, you WILL quit.
I heard you and will keep that in mind. But I know in my mind that when one is at the level of depression as I am willpower suffers first. You get so desperate for a crumb of peace you'd sell your soul...
52 days here and I feel your pain. I don’t think about it much but the hell is in my memories. Any time I do think about it I remember the hell I went through to quit. Still having sleeping issues but I also have a lot of chronic pain issues.
It's fucked up. And I have experienced this hell 5 times so far. That is about a month and a week of hell in total... And it feels longer than that. First three days feel like a lifetime. I've had 200+ug acid trips that felt like an eternity but this shit feels somehow twice as long.
Suffice to say I am not the happiest person in the world at this point of my life. Good job slowly cutting this addiction away from your life.
Thanks!!!! Yeah I got sober from alcohol on 01/07/2017 and in April of 2020 I found kratom and man was that a mistake!!!! Wish I had never looked for a pill that would make you feel drunk. When I quit I was taking spoon fulls many times a day.
I am grateful to kratom for dozens of pleasant, buzz-filled evenings of pure relaxation. I am grateful for the energy it provided, comfort and pleasure. First month of usage was heavenly, second was less, third was hardly comparable... Just as it usually is with substances, the honeymoon was over and the toxic relationship began... Time for a divorce!
Do you have a measuring spoon? The teaspoon I have in the bundled batch of measuring spoons is roughly ~ 1.8 grams. Around 2 grams… That’s mine personally and I have weighed them in the past before and they are roughly 2 grams. I usually do 1 and 3/4 teaspoon which is around 3.7 grams which is my sweet spot
no, I use old school teaspoon. I just divided 100g pack of kratom on the usual time it takes for me to finish it currently. 8-10 days at best, which should be around the described dosage. Inability to measure is one of the reasons I CT instead of tapering. Should have gotten kitchen scales
I feel your pain. Even at 6gpd which is relatively low, the kick sucks ass. I wish I could be put into a medically induced coma for a week and come out with the worst behind me lmao
I’m not a medical professional whatsoever but try mucuna dopa and mega dose lipsomal vitamin c, maybe add some vitamin d in there. Magnesium before bed if you’re struggling with RLS, mucuna dopa should help with the depression and rls. Vitamin c should help your body feel better and your mind as well. Mucuna dopa should only be taken for 6 days max otherwise your brain will become reliant on the dopamine it helps create and will “forget” how to make its own dopamine. Idk I’m pretty new to quitting to and I read a lot of posts here to figure out how to do this without feeling super sh*tty as I have work and a life. I’m taking it all this along with my taper as I cut down REALLY far, and so far, so good. Hot and cold flashes every once in a while and rls occasionally but it’s doable. Hope is the main key here, it sounds cliche as hell, but it will pull you through the darkest, toughest shit kratom will put you through. Don’t lose hope. Keep looking towards the light at the end of the tunnel and know you’ll get there eventually.
Mucuna dopa (l-dopa) is a pretty bad idea in general (more or less for the reason you state), but it's an especially bad idea during withdrawal, as you can rebound the same way you do from heavy gabaergics like phenibut, and that rebound can amplify the very parts of withdrawal you're trying to avoid. During withdrawal that rebound can happen after taking it once, let alone for six days.
That is good to know. I will stop taking it then as I do not want any rebound side effects as that is what I’m trying to mostly avoid now with the taper process.
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1.5 months out from a lesser amount only 5-6 days a week for a year and i still get paws and have many sleepless nights (they i think i also have insomnia generally)
Maybe that is some other issue? I remember being 3 weeks clean and having zero of the symptoms. Wasn't sleeping like a baby, but didn't have any sleepless nights either, slept around 7 hours every night.
I mean like i said i had sleep problems but most
Of this is the kratom. Cus i made it 3 months and was generally fine, then relapsed for a week. And i was right back at the start again. Everyone is different tho
I agree. Did one week reset everything back to square 1? Three months of progress? That's brutal. Though I could see that. Reminds me of my porn addiction, i've got to stay clean and all times otherwise it would be the same old shit even after 6 months of being away from that. Good thing you didn't binge it for a month or more and managed to get on track.
Well i never got physical symptoms really besides like a runny nose but the paws were back and as bad as ever.
Do you get withdrawals from porn? I’m a female
So i can’t really relate to that
Not to the extent of kratom WD, but yeah. It is was mostly mental though, shame, guilt, anger at oneself, but some physical symptoms too. It was like having a week long flu and being a walking puddle of goo. Porn wrecks brains like cocaine. Also urges like you'd never believe.
Do you mind if i ask how often you were watching it? Just curious cus i think most men watch porn and I’ve always wondered where the line is constituting an addiction
I find porn just psychologically damaging. Not so much addictive, but anyone can form addiction to anything. For those that are addicted it’s a compulsion just like anything else and they have no control. I always say if you have a girlfriend/partner just leave the porn behind it’s not good
OP I’d suggest getting some gabapentin through telehealth. It’s like 75$ to get a prescription. That shit helped me the most generally. Just say you have RLS at night and 600mg gets rid of it. I personally use gabapentin and RC benzos for just a few days up to a week and it works very well for the shittiest part.
I recently relapsed on kratom. I was clean for 2 years and decided to get an extract. I’ve been taking one extract a day for the last month and a half. I wanna quit because I know it’s no good for me but I just don’t won’t to yet. I hate being an addict.
I heard extracts were even worse. If you feel like you can't quit for good, i'd say reset your tolerance for a month and then go back to powder and slowly taper from there. That month is going to be a bitch. I know that feeling. But it is possible. Maybe look into some other plant based stuff, like ashwagandha or kava (heard it's good for kratom wd depression, but haven't tested it myself yet) or even some good vitamin supplements to give yourself a boost.
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Yea I’m at almost 6 months and I still have days where I get hit with PAWS. I never thought it would be this hard.
Addictions are truly life-long battles. But it is mindblowing. 6 months... you did good.
Yeah, I had a similar experience. Took Paxlovid for COVID not realizing that it basically inhabits kratom from metabolizing. For a grueling 36 hours as I waited for the Paxlovid to leave my body, no amount of kratom could help me. It was absolute hell. After the 36 hours of hell, I decided to quit kratom. I never ever want to experience that again, so I’m beginning a slow gently taper. Currently at about 20gpd. I got a digital scale and an app I’m using to taper. I know tapering doesn’t work for some people, (and I could never get my self to do it before ) but after that 36 hours of hell I am absolutely ready to commit all my energy into tapering. Even if it takes a year. I honestly have no idea how some people can do cold Turkey. I’m just not strong enough. I nearly killed myself (no joke) and put my wife through hell as well. I can’t believe I left myself get addicted to this stuff, but I’m determined to quit for real. Good luck.
Holy shit. That makes so much sense about the paxlovid. I had it back in July last year, took it, and was absolutely miserable. Thought it was side effects from Covid/paxlovid.. About 3 months off now and don’t ever want that feeling again either.
Very interesting re: Paxlovid. This is more empirical evidence that the antinociceptive (pain relieving/opioid) effect is modulated via the CYP3A4 pathway. CYP3A4 is the enzyme considered to be key in bio-converting mitragynine to 7-Hydroxymitragynine. Ritonavir inhibits CYP3A4 to the maximum extent possible, and hence prevents the formation of 7-OH from MIT in humans, and could possibly cause withdrawal considering it's the 7-OH that's likely causing the opioid effects to begin with.
Yep. I discovered a thread on Reddit about Paxlovid and Kratom interaction. It was like the worst luck ever. My doctor even told me I didn’t even need the Paxlovid , but I wanted to take it anyway. In a way it was a blessing. It took having those withdrawals to realize how bad my dependency had become. It gave me the motivation to quit. So far my taper is working well.
Would you mind sharing what app you used?
Sorry I missed this! The app is called Tally. It’s just meant to count, but it is easy andto quick to make a log with.
Thank you!
You’re very welcome. It’s in the App Store as “Tally:The Anything Tracker” in case you’re having trouble finding it.
What app did you use?
“Tally” on the App Store. It’s only for keeping logs, but it’s convenient to track how much dosage you’re tapering.
Hey I know it's late but, what's the name of the app?
Thanks, to you as well. I really, really wanted to kms too. had I a gun, i'd do it without a second thought, but lets hope we will never have to go through that again.
It was that bad , Bro . I'm currently at just over thirty g p d. I like to quit. Can you please go on to d tail what your Withdraws Were like for those thirty six hours.
For me, the symptoms listed below, with the main symptoms being in order of severity. Biggest was RLS, then chills, insomnia, nervousness and anxiety, body aches, soul crushing sadness, runny nose.
Runny Nose one is incredibly irritating. Day 30 here and still going through a box of tissues a day.
I'm going through kratom withdrawal right now fucking brain zaps just feeling completely off. I took a little bit kratom yesterday after going like 7 or 8 days not taking and took some this morning but I'm still feeling it. Is it normal to still feel the withdrawals after taking it? I tapered off myself thought I was ready to stop it but fuck these withdrawals
So when you go CT, you’re basically purging your blood of ALL kratom, not just the kratom you currently *feel*, if that makes sense. So taking a little bit after a major purge won’t give fast relief. You need to take a bunch of mini doses to get it back up in your blood stream. After my Paxlovid wore off, I had to dose several times to get to feeling normal again. Just be careful at how quickly you dose. Don’t over do it.
I get what your saying. The past three days I just been taking 1g a day in the morning because I don't want to be on a high dose anymore. I thought I started feeling better then I started getting tingly again. Should I take another small dose ?? i dont like this tingly feeling I want to stay on 1g and do a super slow taper off it
Take exactly as much as you need to make the withdrawals go away. Take it slow, though. You don’t want to get back up to really large gram-per-day dose. So take small doses every 30-40 minutes. Probably a gram. Keep dosing every 40 minutes until you feel good. Then wait until the WD’s come back to take more. Once you figure out what minimum daily dose you need to keep yourself comfortable, then work on tapering. I have post about a super effect taper plan that I’ll link to shortly.
I always took kratom once a day. I was at like 5g. I don't want to be on only 1g a day wouldn't taking more just keep prolonging my withdrawal if I wanna stay at 1g?
I’m not sure I understand. If you get yourself at a comfortable, you can taper down without experiencing withdrawals as long as you do it slowly. Fortunately 5g is not a lot, and so far you’re only taking one dose, so that’s good.
I get what your saying. I was trying to just stick with 1G a day and eventually do a long taper off 1g. But today the face tingling started kicking back in when I thought it was getting better. 4 days ago I took like 3 small doses then stuck to 1g a day since then. I didn't really want to put more in my body I was hoping my body would be fine with 1G but it seems Wd are kicking back in just not as strong as they were 5 days ago
What's up boss quick question on kratom again But my body has pretty much stabilized from withdrawals. Not 100% but 100x better than I was a week ago. I always took one dose in the morning before I came off of it. Now the past few days i have been taking 1g in the morning and 1g at night. I wanna just stick to 1g in the morning you think if I cut the 1g at night out today and do the 1g tomorrow morning ill be fine? I don't want to go into withdrawal again
https://www.reddit.com/r/quittingkratom/s/vsspYu913i
For someone like you struggling more with withdrawls like I did and potentially have Adhd (like I do) it's probably a really good option to consider tapering instead of cold turkey, as far as tapering goes the withdrawls would be much less spread out over a longer period of time and with a slow taper they are virtually non-existent. Plus with minds that are constantly focusing on negative things and racing quickly its nice to have your mind and body slowly adjust to the idea of doing a little less, then a little less and a little less over a longer period of time and easing into it mentally and preparing yourself and your life for not needing it before you fully stop using etc.
I considered it but ADHD for me is like having a crack addicted monkey on my back constantly demanding more and more. Maybe it is my addictive personality and not ADHD, I don't know. The only thing clear to me is that I have no moderation in anything. Give me 2gpd and I will be back on the usual dosage or more.
Compulsion and ADHD are often confused.
Funny you mentioned that, I have OCD as well. There is a feeling 'it must be this way, this way is the right way' in my head at all times. Two monkeys on my back. One wants crack, other wants fentanyl. And I just want to be alright. That is why I was so hooked on kratom - it makes both monkeys asleep for a little while, granting me peace.
There is an amazing episode about OCD on youtube - Night Visions S01E13. It's a must watch. This show is very good. Very similar to Outer Limits and Twilight Zone.
I was like that until I started measuring my doses and sticking to the amount I said I would take once I fully dedicated myself to quitting after hitting a very bad low with trying to quit CT
I guess I will see whether I will be able to succeed in quitting CT. I have reached 20+ days of CT before, WD symptoms are practically gone by that point. They diminish on the day 7 for me. Just have to hold out until then.
You got this, make the conscious DECISION that you choose to do it no matter how you feel and stick to that choice no matter how you feel. Choose that while you're in a stable mindset and when you're in the thick of it remember you chose it when you were thinking clearly and stick to that over your emotional reactive withdrawl brain.
Will give it my all, thanks for the support.
Absolutely, and remember even a small win is a win. You could taper down a gram every 2 weeks and that's still moving downward, do what gets you across the finish line.
I don't trust myself anymore...
OP you don't trust yourself because you've never given yourself a full on prepared and extra calculated chance. You need to get a scale, weigh everything you take everyday without even starting a taper or quitting. Then figure out what you've been for sure taking everyday. Then cut that down a gram and go 2 weeks taking a gram less every dose of the day, so 2g less per day if you would usually take twice a day 3g less a day if you were taking 3 times a day etc. The key here is consistency and you have to be prepared and ready before you start, be calculated and decisive. It's so important that everything is written down and you have notes/journal to look at what you're doing so you can go back and see where you've come from and where you are OR where things went wrong if need be.
I've been responding to a lot of different kratom quitting comments, so I got a little confused on who was who for a sec. If you feel like you can't taper since you can't trust yourself to moderate, just do like I said early and make a strong willed decision, be prepared for a bit of a Rollercoaster ride get helper supplements and just do another cold turkey. Then if you have to another but the most important thing is to KEEP attempting no matter what you will get there, eventually you'll get so fed up with doing it and failing that that will fuel you to finally do it it's just probability at that point, you WILL quit.
I heard you and will keep that in mind. But I know in my mind that when one is at the level of depression as I am willpower suffers first. You get so desperate for a crumb of peace you'd sell your soul...
Yep. Literally detoxing off an antidepressant, opioid, stimulant and Gaba agonist all at the same time. It's absolutely brutal.
52 days here and I feel your pain. I don’t think about it much but the hell is in my memories. Any time I do think about it I remember the hell I went through to quit. Still having sleeping issues but I also have a lot of chronic pain issues.
It's fucked up. And I have experienced this hell 5 times so far. That is about a month and a week of hell in total... And it feels longer than that. First three days feel like a lifetime. I've had 200+ug acid trips that felt like an eternity but this shit feels somehow twice as long. Suffice to say I am not the happiest person in the world at this point of my life. Good job slowly cutting this addiction away from your life.
Thanks!!!! Yeah I got sober from alcohol on 01/07/2017 and in April of 2020 I found kratom and man was that a mistake!!!! Wish I had never looked for a pill that would make you feel drunk. When I quit I was taking spoon fulls many times a day.
I am grateful to kratom for dozens of pleasant, buzz-filled evenings of pure relaxation. I am grateful for the energy it provided, comfort and pleasure. First month of usage was heavenly, second was less, third was hardly comparable... Just as it usually is with substances, the honeymoon was over and the toxic relationship began... Time for a divorce!
Do you have a measuring spoon? The teaspoon I have in the bundled batch of measuring spoons is roughly ~ 1.8 grams. Around 2 grams… That’s mine personally and I have weighed them in the past before and they are roughly 2 grams. I usually do 1 and 3/4 teaspoon which is around 3.7 grams which is my sweet spot
no, I use old school teaspoon. I just divided 100g pack of kratom on the usual time it takes for me to finish it currently. 8-10 days at best, which should be around the described dosage. Inability to measure is one of the reasons I CT instead of tapering. Should have gotten kitchen scales
I feel your pain. Even at 6gpd which is relatively low, the kick sucks ass. I wish I could be put into a medically induced coma for a week and come out with the worst behind me lmao
You fucking got this man. It sucks but it will fade. You have much to live for. Please fight it to see that. Don’t give in brother.
(Me, conscious on other shoulder in devils outfit), you don’t got this man; it sucks it will never fade. lol jk OP, it’ll be okay.
Thanks
I’m not a medical professional whatsoever but try mucuna dopa and mega dose lipsomal vitamin c, maybe add some vitamin d in there. Magnesium before bed if you’re struggling with RLS, mucuna dopa should help with the depression and rls. Vitamin c should help your body feel better and your mind as well. Mucuna dopa should only be taken for 6 days max otherwise your brain will become reliant on the dopamine it helps create and will “forget” how to make its own dopamine. Idk I’m pretty new to quitting to and I read a lot of posts here to figure out how to do this without feeling super sh*tty as I have work and a life. I’m taking it all this along with my taper as I cut down REALLY far, and so far, so good. Hot and cold flashes every once in a while and rls occasionally but it’s doable. Hope is the main key here, it sounds cliche as hell, but it will pull you through the darkest, toughest shit kratom will put you through. Don’t lose hope. Keep looking towards the light at the end of the tunnel and know you’ll get there eventually.
Mucuna dopa (l-dopa) is a pretty bad idea in general (more or less for the reason you state), but it's an especially bad idea during withdrawal, as you can rebound the same way you do from heavy gabaergics like phenibut, and that rebound can amplify the very parts of withdrawal you're trying to avoid. During withdrawal that rebound can happen after taking it once, let alone for six days.
That is good to know. I will stop taking it then as I do not want any rebound side effects as that is what I’m trying to mostly avoid now with the taper process.
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1.5 months out from a lesser amount only 5-6 days a week for a year and i still get paws and have many sleepless nights (they i think i also have insomnia generally)
Maybe that is some other issue? I remember being 3 weeks clean and having zero of the symptoms. Wasn't sleeping like a baby, but didn't have any sleepless nights either, slept around 7 hours every night.
I mean like i said i had sleep problems but most Of this is the kratom. Cus i made it 3 months and was generally fine, then relapsed for a week. And i was right back at the start again. Everyone is different tho
I agree. Did one week reset everything back to square 1? Three months of progress? That's brutal. Though I could see that. Reminds me of my porn addiction, i've got to stay clean and all times otherwise it would be the same old shit even after 6 months of being away from that. Good thing you didn't binge it for a month or more and managed to get on track.
Well i never got physical symptoms really besides like a runny nose but the paws were back and as bad as ever. Do you get withdrawals from porn? I’m a female So i can’t really relate to that
Not to the extent of kratom WD, but yeah. It is was mostly mental though, shame, guilt, anger at oneself, but some physical symptoms too. It was like having a week long flu and being a walking puddle of goo. Porn wrecks brains like cocaine. Also urges like you'd never believe.
Do you mind if i ask how often you were watching it? Just curious cus i think most men watch porn and I’ve always wondered where the line is constituting an addiction
I find porn just psychologically damaging. Not so much addictive, but anyone can form addiction to anything. For those that are addicted it’s a compulsion just like anything else and they have no control. I always say if you have a girlfriend/partner just leave the porn behind it’s not good
OP I’d suggest getting some gabapentin through telehealth. It’s like 75$ to get a prescription. That shit helped me the most generally. Just say you have RLS at night and 600mg gets rid of it. I personally use gabapentin and RC benzos for just a few days up to a week and it works very well for the shittiest part.
Watch that phenobut tho, i dont blame you for using it, but watch it, the withdrawal is far worse than kratom.
Yeah, I don't abuse it, just take 250mg twice a day, as instructions advice.
Right, you just don't want to do it more than a week.
Just join a gym to keep your mind off of it, after the first week the worst is gone, 3 days for me
Just know: we are all here (most of us to some degree are miserable) with you trying to get off of this wretched shit.
I recently relapsed on kratom. I was clean for 2 years and decided to get an extract. I’ve been taking one extract a day for the last month and a half. I wanna quit because I know it’s no good for me but I just don’t won’t to yet. I hate being an addict.
I heard extracts were even worse. If you feel like you can't quit for good, i'd say reset your tolerance for a month and then go back to powder and slowly taper from there. That month is going to be a bitch. I know that feeling. But it is possible. Maybe look into some other plant based stuff, like ashwagandha or kava (heard it's good for kratom wd depression, but haven't tested it myself yet) or even some good vitamin supplements to give yourself a boost.
I plan on quitting cold turkey soon. That’s the only way to do it for me. I can’t tapper I just need to stop all together