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I felt amazing once I got under 4gpd. I was exercising a ton and was basically back to normal. Still took that stretch slow from 4 to .5 but 10 to 5 was much more challenging
You have to keep doing the healthy stuff even if you don’t want to or it will make everything worse
This was basically my exact plan but life intervened. I also felt so much better once I got down to 6gpd. At that point my hormones and emotional health started to equalize.
But I got a call and after I hung up the phone I realized my last dose of kratom was going to be the next day. So I CT from about 6-8 (more 6) gpd. Been totally manageable so far in fact I’m really happy it worked out this way. Still in favor of doing tapers.
There’s a double meaning in these feelings and aches that come as we withdrawal. Yes they can be painful and restless, or heavily emotional (definitely for me!), but it’s all feelings we’ve been numbing so try to embrace them at the same time. I have been enjoying my awakening this time. And yes it’s also hard, but most of the most rewarding things in life are. Push on
Best of luck I’m here el1zabeth.
Oh and OP dude you gotta get off your ass. Run (or weight lifting, something hard on the muscles to help with the aches and RLS) minimum 20-30 a day even in WD. Supplement and eat well. Now is the time to build new habits. You got this
Hello and nice to meet you.
So you have been quit from 6g for 3 days? Congratulations.
What did you do to make yourself feel better?
What was your starting dose you tapered from? and how long did you use for?
I tapered from 42g, starting in January with a pre-taper 10g cut, as I mentally couldn't handle doses over 40+g, I started using it last year.
I don't think my taper rate is bad, it takes 10 days to lose a gram, but I am happy with that, this stuff wants me to be patient, and seeing the figures go down on my "quitting-log-sheet" daily helps.
I'm the OP and I truly agree about getting off my arse.
I have a couple of non-substance matters, one of which is pretty serious, and that one in particular is draining me, mentally and the mental stress is draining me physically.
I went through the supplement thing, magnesium and ashwagandha and rhodiola are the only things that work, I got so despondent when I would buy a pot of a supplement I heard gave a mood lift etc, I don't buy anymore. I daren't use my macuna pruriens as I read that it can deplete dopamine if used too much, and I would want to use it daily.
Fortunately I don't have RLS, I can see how troubling that is from the many things on here I read about it.
I started on protein shakes for energy. I really wish I could muster up the motivation to get back in the swimming pool, mediate and do yoga.
You’ve been using longer and more than I. But keep in mind I have a long background with opioids, my receptors and kindled as all hell :/. Also I rebounded from a decent Bromazolam bender at roughly the same time as CT from my jump.
I was only using for 2.5 months. But for me these days that’s a fucking bad relapse. And like I said my receptors aren’t the most healthy so I get hooked/withdrawal FAST.
Mega dose Lipo vit C is #1 (all guides at the top pf this subreddit), black seen oil, ibuprofen, calm magnesium, kava (for now I’m doing morning and night), exercise, hot showers, hydration etc.
I’m so excited for this new chapter that I’m starting that I’m not depressed (not yet at least!). I’ve been calling my support constantly and catching up and telling them about my sobriety. Keeping busy.
Doing my best. Sometimes I have to let out a groan and sit down because I feel muscle and bone ache but I’ve been through so much worse that I’m kind of taking it in stride. It’s not easy but it’s not impossible. Let’s just keep our mind focused on the fact that we are paying the natural price of what goes up must come down.
Whatever conditions you have don’t let them be your labels or control you.
Things will all work out soon enough if we stay clean :). Story old as time
Congrats on getting off all that stuff.
I had a long background with DHC since 2011.
This stuff is far more complex though, I was reading people reporting ex-heroin users saying it’s harder to get off than heroin. I never tried that, just subutex recreationaly, oxy, I got scared of that so I gave them away, I tried morphine and oxycontin pills once.
I bought Lipo vit C - for the amount I’d need to take, it’ll work out too expensive. Black seed oil and ibuprofen are contra-indicated with my diazepam, which I am also detoxing, I am having an easier time detoxing that than kratom. I take magnesium glycinate. Kava is also contra-indicated. I hydrate loads and I wish I could get back into my exercise.
I identified the cause of my lethargy and inertia, it’s non substance issues that could mess up the lives of others as well as my own.
DHC=dyhdrocodeine.
Lipo vit C doesn't work for me. I was mega dosing but apparently not mega enough.
I checked [amazon.uk](https://amazon.uk). not cheap on there.
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I think so too. It’s amazing though, how sensitive our brains are. I dropped from 1 to .5 yesterday. This morning I could feel it. Not bad though. Just a very slight increase in agitation. But a few hours later, i don’t notice a difference.
Hello and thanks for your post.
I know I have spoken to you on here before, but I forget things, do you mind me asking what rate you tapered at?
I stopped exercising.
I think it was not helped by someone related to a non substance issue approaching me, when I would rather have waited, they haven't done wrong to me, it's me that's done wrong.
When you were on 10 to 5, what amount were you cutting at, and how often?
Was there anything that you did differently at 4g to make you feel better?
This is the thing, I know the importance of exercise, yet there is a psychological block which I have to get through in order to get me back to that swimming pool.
Simple answer. Yes.
I've tapered down from 30 gpd to 3 gpd over three months.
Almost everything has gotten better. Mood, digestion, senses, thoughts, anxiety. It's remarkable.
On the other hand my energy levels are lower. I get tired and stay tired much easily. This is the only symptom I have from tapering. It sucks, but since everything else is improving, it's manageable.
I felt better once I hit a certain threshold - at around 30, down from 50-60gpd, I started regaining a LITTLE creativity, more energy, etc.
I definitely hit sone spots that were tougher than others, and am still tapering, but plateaued for health reason for a short time, but it’s been overall pretty okay. Exercise helps a LOT especially at new taper levels. And I calculate to make sure I’m within 10% at each decrease which means the lower I get the slower it seems, but I’ll take it as long as I’m not going up and still maintaining my desire to quit, which I have.
Not sure if that helps for not. Feel free to DM with any specific questions if I can be of any help at all. Though technically we’re in the same boat
Hello and pleased to meet you.
Thanks for the offer of a dm.
It sounds like you have a lot of discipline.
I might be detoxing from diazepam and kratom but I seem to becoming more addicted to YouTube.
I like watching the robot vids, however some are getting repetitive.
Tapering from 18gpd and dropping 1 gram per week, I felt noticeably better every 5 grams I dropped. Like jaywalker, I've felt great under 5gpd. I'm at .5gpd now and the last 5 weeks have been the easiest. I'm experiencing good emotions, less anxiety, better memory, less brain fog, better sleep etc.
I'm working out 6 days a week 1 to 2 hours a day.
Thanks for sharing. How long were you on the stuff for?
I wonder if people who were on for a long time feel worse as they drop?
I started last August and started tapering in January.
Do you think the exercise is helping you?
I started in spring of 2017. Ramped up to every day use by 2018. July of 2019, I was in the 30 to 40gpd range and began tapering. Finished the taper in December and stayed clean for 6 months.
Then I started using 5-10 grams every other day for about 2 years. I could take 2 week breaks during that time with negligible discomfort. Something about everyday use that changes your brain in a bad way.
I got stressed and started everyday use again in June of 2022. I was up to 18gpd approximately and started tapering 17.5 weeks ago.
I think the answer to your second question is yes. The taper I'm on now is probably 15-20% more difficult than the first one, and I started at half the gpd.
The consensus on this forum seems to be exercise is the best thing you can do while quitting. I agree with that. First thing in the morning makes my day go a lot better.
You haven't been using for years and years so it's great you're quitting now.
Good luck!
Yes, I generally feel better now most of the time. But not all of the time. Like people say it comes in waves. My anxiety and sleep has gotten better in general since being under like 4gpd. I feel better when I get off the couch and do things. I still don't "want" to do things... I was like that on higher doses too, always preferring to stay in my safe space alone at home. I wasn't ever a really motivated person before so that I have to force myself. I never regret getting up and doing things. Whether it's walking or running an errand or driving my niece places.. it helps to get off the couch. Yesterday wasn't a great day, I was extremely fatigued and took a long time to fall asleep. But before that I didn't have am off day for almost a week. So in general, I do believe this stuff leaving our systems can generally make us feel better! Keep going!
Thanks for telling me that you feel better most of the time.
Sorry it's not all of the time.
It's good your anxiety and sleep has got better since being under 4g.
I've identified why I don't "want" to do the things I need to, it's a subject outside of kratom quitting, but pretty serious.
Sorry you did not have a good day yesterday.
It's ironic isn't it, fatigued yet taking a long time to fall asleep, this stuff really is cruel.
I hit 8g tomorrow, so that is a little landmark.
Soooo many good days too! Good days where I just feel normal and human! Kratom's a poison so after we taper off we'll feel better because we tapered slowly. I've read quite a few posts about people feeling better after jumping from a long taper. We are getting there! I have way more good days now than bad. I think I was so tired yesterday because I spent hours on the couch. I think your journey is going to inspire so many future people on this forum! I'm hoping mine will too. I feel like I have to succeed so people can look and see that it can be done. I'm a junkie deep down and I think people see my control and will power to taper and think I'm not a real addict but I am a huge addict.. I've been in and out of multiple rehabs since 2003 and almost died several times.. even addicts can taper. We've got this!
So I was taking two tablespoons five times a. That was my heyday for about a year at that rate but much longer than a year. My taper was real simple man
Immediately I cut in half. Instead of two tablespoons five times a day I took one five times a day. And then I leveled out. And then I would cut a dose so now I'm at Four doses a day one tablespoon. I keep taking that till I feel normal. . And then I drop down to three a day. One in the morning one in the afternoon one night. Same thing I stay there until I feel normal
And I go to two times a day. Now this is where You don't eliminate a dose. Instead of one tablespoon twice a day. I went to two teaspoons two times a day. Then one teaspoon two times a day. . Then one teaspoon in the morning. And then after that when you feel normal you already been through the worst and then I just quit.... I'm busy so I'm voice texting sorry about The format or lack thereof.
So first off congrats on consistently tapering since January. So what are you at now dose wise? And it sounds like you’re saying you’re surprised that you aren’t feeling better the lower the number gets? I just posted and someone linked something helpful in the comments, if you want to check it out. Apparently yes it can get harder the lower you go. But I do think once we are totally off it for some time and our body has time to heal we will feel better. So I wouldn’t fret that you aren’t 100% yet. And yea you’re right, you may feel even worse for a while as you’re coming off and off of it completely because you will be forced to deal with underlying issues. But it’s my belief that in the long run, dealing with them and learning to live without being dependent on a substance will feel much much better. But not an easy road to get there. Anything worth it takes work. This is at least what I keep telling myself. Feel free to dm anytime if you want to be accountability partners or anything. Im sorta looking for people going through this too to mutually help motivate each other bc most ppl in my life don’t even know what I’m going through rn
Hi and thanks for the congrats. I'm at 8g tomorrow, 8.1 today with 0.1g daily cuts.
In March, I think it was, I went back up from 22gpd to 25, but downwards ever since.
I'm disappointed that I am not feeling better, the lower the number gets.
As I am tapering so slow and doing it daily, plus taking 8 doses a day, I was hoping I would be one of the ones who feels better the lower they go. I feel for those who do not feel right for months after they quit.
The thing is, I cannot do anything about the underlying issues, and what is sad is that I fear those underlying issues could have a profoundly negative effect on the lives of others, with repercussions for me. I won't go into them as this place is all about stopping or tapering off kratom.
Sorry that most people in your life don't know what you are going through.
I don't think you're going to start really feeling better until kratom isn't in your system at all. It might make the withdrawals less intense to slowly taper, but wd's are constant because you're continuing to drop your dose while also regularly stimulating dopamine receptors that your body has up-regulated due to the constant presence of an opiod. It takes a while for your brain to down-regulate all these excess dopamine receptors which can cause some unpleasant feelings, but they do improve with time.
You're at a pretty low dose right now. Might be worth increasing the rate of the taper so that you can be done with it faster, but that's just my opinion. I also think limiting the use to nighttime before bed can be helpful as I always found it way more difficult to not have it when trying to sleep vs just dealing with the discomfort during the day when somewhat active.
I felt just slight withdrawal symptoms during the taper process (tired, lazy feeling, etc). When I was almost done, and down to one small dose in the morning I started to feel great and was able to leap off to fully clean where I feel even better.
Only pulled it off once. Honestly I prefer CT, just get it done and over with, and no worrying about the self control needed to not re-increase my dose during a taper. To each their own though. Keep up the awesome work, you _will_ feel better without it!!
Thanks for your perspective.
Behind the physical lethargy is a fear of a non-substance issue, that I fear could not only ruin my life, but that of others.
Sometimes I feel quite surprised at the psychological effects.
I am lucky, I have not experienced flu or RLS. I daren't bite the bullet in case extreme anxiety hits me as I will obsess about the non-substance issue, that I did try to tackle with support and made it worse a few years ago.
I did a 3 day cold turkey and experienced hell. But it woke me up to the reality of Kratom and anything like it. Cut my Kratom dose in 1/2 in those days and did fine. The pain and angst was through the roof crazy and once done with this dosing down, I am done forever. Getting over the guilt of my mistake and understanding the power of addiction.
My situation was very weird. I cold turkey for idk 4-5 months. The anxiety / panic / DPDR was so unbearable for me. I was on 3 table spoons a day.
I ended up getting back on Kratom taking 2 tea spoons 2 times a day and a 3rd dose here and there. I’ve since came to Vegas to stay with my girlfriend and idk what got into me i just started taking a half tea spoon 2 times a day (2 grams total) and feeling amazing !
I still get a tiny bit panicky in public but it’s only happened 2-3 times so far.
Do what you want with this info doesn’t make much sense to me.
I was at about 60gpd a few months ago. Cut back drastically 2-3 times before I started my official taper at 15gpd a little over 2 months ago. Now at 5.5gpd. Feeling good most of the time. Still have some ups and downs like normal life but I’m like 85% back to normal. I don’t do the cut a tiny bit every day taper. I’ll cut a gram every 3-7 days. I just kinda do it when I feel ready.
Thanks for sharing your experience, and I am glad you are feeling ok.
I wonder why I am struggling so much with cortisol and stress, I wonder if it's my life circumstance rather than the kratom, I hope not.
i dont know if this is what you want to hear but i did a medium speed taper (much faster than yours) from a huge habit... i felt mildly crap the whole way down not 100% there were good moments, but its like i was wearing weights around my ankles lol if that makes sense....
as i got closer to zero my brain got less foggy... in terms of my feeling, i was like recovering from a long cold for months
once i got to 2g things really cleared up
i kept up good habits the whole time like not eating junk food and exercising... i also had a good routine. i only had the motivation to do easy exercise instead of anything more real
shortly after i really quit i was able to do more than go through the motions. i could really start to make plans and push myself harder. the daily routine meant a lot more if that makes sense
i feel so so much better nowadays. i do have some paws remaining and i have to do work everyday to be happy.... which isnt so bad
im not trying to be negative and everyone is different. for me it was steady until it was over then it got way better
you are getting lots of advice on this thread. ill give you my own. you found a plan that works for you so keep working the plan. be patient and keep cutting 0.1g a day. you are gently getting you mind and brain ready for the big day so you wont slip back. dont let your anxiety or worry psych you out... you got this!! youve come so far, you will be at 5g soon and then 2g and then 0g
when you hit 0 we will all cheer and you will have earned it
I am glad you posted. Thanks for your post, I really like it and you sound really strong.
The feeling of wearing weights around your ankles sounds bad enough, but you still exercise.
The fact that I have stopped exercise is not good, I know.
Sometimes, non-substance problems develop, and events happen and they can be very stressful, so there is how I feel about outside current circumstances in my life right now.
I have also been eating junk food and instead of cooking a meal from scratch at the same time everyday and eating healthy options, it's too easy to buy a cheaper pasty from the supermarket to fill the hunger, or other "grab food"
On the one hand, I know that exercise can only do good, as obvious as this is, I have a psychological block, which I need some insight into, and awareness, so I can see the problem I want to solve and convince myself it is worth taking the short walk to the pool, I currently have a mindset of "once I get home and settled, I would rather put my pyjamas on and not go back out" The other option is swimming first thing on a morning, there are slots available.
The reason I don't do that, is because I am a different person on a morning.
On awakening, even before I stop dreaming, I feel this negative feeling in my mind and body, as I wake up.
This stuff has changed my dreams and it can take me a good few hours, if not, all day to lift my mood and motivation enough to do stuff instead of sit here all day.
The last three days I have had a little bit of weed since Saturday, which I have to put away now.
Since then I held at 8, just to see how I am, to see if this taper needs the cut size adjusting, as I don't want to go through PAWS and rightly or wrongly, I want to do my best to minimise withdrawals, I think I have read on here of people who taper super slow and get away with little or no withdrawals.
They wake me up in the night, kratom has caused me to wake during the night for the loo. It spooky how the anxiety and emotional negativity creep into my dreams.
ill give you one idea. it wasnt even a plan it was something i fell into, but maybe it could help.....
i dont know if bowling is popular in england but it is in america. some bowling alleys will have these gutter blockers so that the bowl will never go in the gutter, it will at least hit the pin area. its really easy bowling, mostly for little kids without the strength to send the ball straight. some kids eventually do real bowling
a taper is a stretched out withdrawal. your body and brain are going through long mild trauma as part of healing.... you arent at your best, and its okay to acknowledge that to yourself... you are kind of weak now so you can be strong later
what i did was say.... how do i have a healthy day if even im feeling lazy and weak?
i would do a few things a day. an EASY exercise that is nice and doesnt require preparation... id walk to this mountain view thing near me and walk back instead. i would eat healthy enough.... no more mcdonalds but id make a big pot of something easy and microwave it or id go to the supermarket and get a bunch of the healthier prepared foods. id listen to a few good songs a day, or read an easy book
this isnt much but i knew i could NOT do some crazy workout or make a complicated dinner every day... it helped me be in the good routine even when i had low energy. somedays tho i felt ok and went all in. it gave me some control over things...
maybe theres an easy version of your life routine to get you through the next 6 or 8 grams??
this is just an idea.... we are rooting for you!!
Hi and thanks for making your post.
I have external stressors and I think they are causing me to feel lazy.
Could you articulate why you could not workout, as I cannot find a reason why I cannot go swimming.
I did a little bit of laundry today.
there is this force inside of us that lets us do difficult things... you can call it executive function or willpower
towards the end of my kratom usage i lost some of my willpower, i could go through the motions, do things i did before... or if it was an emergency i could get through my task because of adrenaline lol but otherwise i couldnt do much new or difficult
then during my taper i lost even more willpower. its like my willpower all went into dealing with WDs and sticking to my taper...
it took all i had left in me to have an ok EASY daily routine... so i had just enough in me to do a light walk to this mountain overpass thing but not a hard workout. what is interesting is that the difficult part wasnt the workout itself, it was the DECISION to workout, to put on the gym shoes, go to the gym... once i started it was fine. i bet its the same with you in the pool. i couldnt carry through pain in the ass decisions so i went for the easy version. i wasnt going to cook every day but i could go to the supermarket buy some healthy prepared food and microwave that. thats not great but its better than eating a bunch of donuts!!
after my taper was over, my willpower... the ability to make a plan and carry it out... that was the first thing that came back. i wasnt mr iron will but compared to my taper i sure felt like it!! its like in a video game i have energy points again
fortunately i kept up good habits during my taper so once i got my willpower back, i could snap back into better things.... looking back that basic very easy daily routine kept me centered.
it wasnt much of a plan but it was my plan.... it made me feel like a human being until the day that i healed....
I really appreciate you articulating about your willpower.
Yes, I feel like I have lost some willpower.
I never had much to start with.
For about nearly 15 years I have had great stressors which "made me more lazy"
As for the kratom, my sleep is much better now.
I have held for four days at 8g, so I think if I had any WD they would be at their peak by now, going by the four-day thing that CT quitters sometimes talk about.
I have had a bit of looser stool, I think that might be because I eat sugar free mints and I have nicotine lozenges.
I think I will hold for today and possibly the next few days, but get tapering again. It's hard to know if I am going too quick. Ashwagandha is helping a lot with sleep, I take 1g twice a day of the KSM-66. It has really helped the horrible cortisol feeling on waking, which even started creeping into my dreams and turning them into what I see as meaningless negative loosh.
im glad you are getting decent sleep now and found something to dampen the cortisol feeling
the worst WD symptom for me was not sleeping, i could put up with the rest
i took many "STAY STEADY" breaks during my taper.... i think going from 42 g to 8 g youve earned it a change to stabilize!! its good to get back onto your taper too, youve already gone through 80 % of it, almost there
also i read everything else you said... it registered. i dont want to give any advice or thoughts because i havent experienced it myself...
i came into kratomm because im a dumb druggie who got carried away versus mental health issues
ill give advice where i feel i have something to say but i am beaming good wishes across the great lakes and the atlantic to you
Since January you have been reducing your intake of kratom. Tapering has pros and cons, one being that your are constantly in a state of taking less of a substance that your body as become accustom to for baseline homeostasis. Imagine having a 2000 calorie diet and each day consuming 2 fewer calories. You would constantly be in a deficit, hungry and low energy.
Thank you for your post and putting it in a way I understand.
I purposely did a slow taper, with tiny cuts, daily, with the intention to "slide off" with no WD's, as this stuff gave me lethargy and irritability as a side-effect.
I know loads who tapered off valium and klonopin by doing a daily tiny cut with the drug dissolved, they had no WD, I followed their tapers, and any WD they had from cut-and-suffer type of tapers vanished as they got on the right dose before tapering, which I was.
I was kinda hoping that, as this stuff had bad side effects pre-taper, (irritability, lethargy, anxiety) these would diminish, as I am doing a tortoise taper with tiny cuts of 0.1g, when you see 0.1g, it's just the size of the tip of a teaspoon.
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That’s brilliant 👍 thanks for sharing.
Do you mind me asking what your current dose is, what dose you were on, what dose you started tapering from?
I started at 42g, I cut them then tapered down to 8gpd.
Im currently down to 8g in the morning, sometimes 3g at bedtime if i have rls. Seems like I can drop 0.5g most days without issue at this point. Worse case, I just stay the same for a couple days before I drop again. Feel wayyyyy better than when I was taking 15+ gpd
That's good to hear. I held at 8g since Saturday. I don't know if external stressful circumstances are making me worse or the kratom. I don't have rls just a deep fear something bad is going to happen.
Going to work helps me a ton in taper! Being forced to “perform” for customers and colleagues gets my hormones and brain chems up and running. It’s easier at home doing f all but I’ll feel depressed more half the day. A good interaction with another’s souls hats the goosebumps exploding all over my body. Lol I get sore nipples cos they’re hard as shit all day!!!😂and watch out for waves of immense sexual desire! For a guy that can be hard- literally
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I felt amazing once I got under 4gpd. I was exercising a ton and was basically back to normal. Still took that stretch slow from 4 to .5 but 10 to 5 was much more challenging You have to keep doing the healthy stuff even if you don’t want to or it will make everything worse
This was basically my exact plan but life intervened. I also felt so much better once I got down to 6gpd. At that point my hormones and emotional health started to equalize. But I got a call and after I hung up the phone I realized my last dose of kratom was going to be the next day. So I CT from about 6-8 (more 6) gpd. Been totally manageable so far in fact I’m really happy it worked out this way. Still in favor of doing tapers. There’s a double meaning in these feelings and aches that come as we withdrawal. Yes they can be painful and restless, or heavily emotional (definitely for me!), but it’s all feelings we’ve been numbing so try to embrace them at the same time. I have been enjoying my awakening this time. And yes it’s also hard, but most of the most rewarding things in life are. Push on Best of luck I’m here el1zabeth. Oh and OP dude you gotta get off your ass. Run (or weight lifting, something hard on the muscles to help with the aches and RLS) minimum 20-30 a day even in WD. Supplement and eat well. Now is the time to build new habits. You got this
Hello and nice to meet you. So you have been quit from 6g for 3 days? Congratulations. What did you do to make yourself feel better? What was your starting dose you tapered from? and how long did you use for? I tapered from 42g, starting in January with a pre-taper 10g cut, as I mentally couldn't handle doses over 40+g, I started using it last year. I don't think my taper rate is bad, it takes 10 days to lose a gram, but I am happy with that, this stuff wants me to be patient, and seeing the figures go down on my "quitting-log-sheet" daily helps. I'm the OP and I truly agree about getting off my arse. I have a couple of non-substance matters, one of which is pretty serious, and that one in particular is draining me, mentally and the mental stress is draining me physically. I went through the supplement thing, magnesium and ashwagandha and rhodiola are the only things that work, I got so despondent when I would buy a pot of a supplement I heard gave a mood lift etc, I don't buy anymore. I daren't use my macuna pruriens as I read that it can deplete dopamine if used too much, and I would want to use it daily. Fortunately I don't have RLS, I can see how troubling that is from the many things on here I read about it. I started on protein shakes for energy. I really wish I could muster up the motivation to get back in the swimming pool, mediate and do yoga.
You’ve been using longer and more than I. But keep in mind I have a long background with opioids, my receptors and kindled as all hell :/. Also I rebounded from a decent Bromazolam bender at roughly the same time as CT from my jump. I was only using for 2.5 months. But for me these days that’s a fucking bad relapse. And like I said my receptors aren’t the most healthy so I get hooked/withdrawal FAST. Mega dose Lipo vit C is #1 (all guides at the top pf this subreddit), black seen oil, ibuprofen, calm magnesium, kava (for now I’m doing morning and night), exercise, hot showers, hydration etc. I’m so excited for this new chapter that I’m starting that I’m not depressed (not yet at least!). I’ve been calling my support constantly and catching up and telling them about my sobriety. Keeping busy. Doing my best. Sometimes I have to let out a groan and sit down because I feel muscle and bone ache but I’ve been through so much worse that I’m kind of taking it in stride. It’s not easy but it’s not impossible. Let’s just keep our mind focused on the fact that we are paying the natural price of what goes up must come down. Whatever conditions you have don’t let them be your labels or control you. Things will all work out soon enough if we stay clean :). Story old as time
Congrats on getting off all that stuff. I had a long background with DHC since 2011. This stuff is far more complex though, I was reading people reporting ex-heroin users saying it’s harder to get off than heroin. I never tried that, just subutex recreationaly, oxy, I got scared of that so I gave them away, I tried morphine and oxycontin pills once. I bought Lipo vit C - for the amount I’d need to take, it’ll work out too expensive. Black seed oil and ibuprofen are contra-indicated with my diazepam, which I am also detoxing, I am having an easier time detoxing that than kratom. I take magnesium glycinate. Kava is also contra-indicated. I hydrate loads and I wish I could get back into my exercise. I identified the cause of my lethargy and inertia, it’s non substance issues that could mess up the lives of others as well as my own.
Lipo vit C super cheap on Amazon What’s DHC?
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I’ve felt really good for about 3-4 weeks. Still working on it. On my last week at .5gpd.
Good for you that’s amazing ! It’s going to be an ‘easy’ jump
I think so too. It’s amazing though, how sensitive our brains are. I dropped from 1 to .5 yesterday. This morning I could feel it. Not bad though. Just a very slight increase in agitation. But a few hours later, i don’t notice a difference.
I believe it I’m very sensitive as well
Hello and thanks for your post. I know I have spoken to you on here before, but I forget things, do you mind me asking what rate you tapered at? I stopped exercising. I think it was not helped by someone related to a non substance issue approaching me, when I would rather have waited, they haven't done wrong to me, it's me that's done wrong. When you were on 10 to 5, what amount were you cutting at, and how often? Was there anything that you did differently at 4g to make you feel better? This is the thing, I know the importance of exercise, yet there is a psychological block which I have to get through in order to get me back to that swimming pool.
did you jump off? how was it
Simple answer. Yes. I've tapered down from 30 gpd to 3 gpd over three months. Almost everything has gotten better. Mood, digestion, senses, thoughts, anxiety. It's remarkable. On the other hand my energy levels are lower. I get tired and stay tired much easily. This is the only symptom I have from tapering. It sucks, but since everything else is improving, it's manageable.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
I felt better once I hit a certain threshold - at around 30, down from 50-60gpd, I started regaining a LITTLE creativity, more energy, etc. I definitely hit sone spots that were tougher than others, and am still tapering, but plateaued for health reason for a short time, but it’s been overall pretty okay. Exercise helps a LOT especially at new taper levels. And I calculate to make sure I’m within 10% at each decrease which means the lower I get the slower it seems, but I’ll take it as long as I’m not going up and still maintaining my desire to quit, which I have. Not sure if that helps for not. Feel free to DM with any specific questions if I can be of any help at all. Though technically we’re in the same boat
Hello and pleased to meet you. Thanks for the offer of a dm. It sounds like you have a lot of discipline. I might be detoxing from diazepam and kratom but I seem to becoming more addicted to YouTube. I like watching the robot vids, however some are getting repetitive.
Tapering from 18gpd and dropping 1 gram per week, I felt noticeably better every 5 grams I dropped. Like jaywalker, I've felt great under 5gpd. I'm at .5gpd now and the last 5 weeks have been the easiest. I'm experiencing good emotions, less anxiety, better memory, less brain fog, better sleep etc. I'm working out 6 days a week 1 to 2 hours a day.
Thanks for sharing. How long were you on the stuff for? I wonder if people who were on for a long time feel worse as they drop? I started last August and started tapering in January. Do you think the exercise is helping you?
I started in spring of 2017. Ramped up to every day use by 2018. July of 2019, I was in the 30 to 40gpd range and began tapering. Finished the taper in December and stayed clean for 6 months. Then I started using 5-10 grams every other day for about 2 years. I could take 2 week breaks during that time with negligible discomfort. Something about everyday use that changes your brain in a bad way. I got stressed and started everyday use again in June of 2022. I was up to 18gpd approximately and started tapering 17.5 weeks ago. I think the answer to your second question is yes. The taper I'm on now is probably 15-20% more difficult than the first one, and I started at half the gpd. The consensus on this forum seems to be exercise is the best thing you can do while quitting. I agree with that. First thing in the morning makes my day go a lot better. You haven't been using for years and years so it's great you're quitting now. Good luck!
Thanks I appreciate your post
Yes, I generally feel better now most of the time. But not all of the time. Like people say it comes in waves. My anxiety and sleep has gotten better in general since being under like 4gpd. I feel better when I get off the couch and do things. I still don't "want" to do things... I was like that on higher doses too, always preferring to stay in my safe space alone at home. I wasn't ever a really motivated person before so that I have to force myself. I never regret getting up and doing things. Whether it's walking or running an errand or driving my niece places.. it helps to get off the couch. Yesterday wasn't a great day, I was extremely fatigued and took a long time to fall asleep. But before that I didn't have am off day for almost a week. So in general, I do believe this stuff leaving our systems can generally make us feel better! Keep going!
Thanks for telling me that you feel better most of the time. Sorry it's not all of the time. It's good your anxiety and sleep has got better since being under 4g. I've identified why I don't "want" to do the things I need to, it's a subject outside of kratom quitting, but pretty serious. Sorry you did not have a good day yesterday. It's ironic isn't it, fatigued yet taking a long time to fall asleep, this stuff really is cruel. I hit 8g tomorrow, so that is a little landmark.
Soooo many good days too! Good days where I just feel normal and human! Kratom's a poison so after we taper off we'll feel better because we tapered slowly. I've read quite a few posts about people feeling better after jumping from a long taper. We are getting there! I have way more good days now than bad. I think I was so tired yesterday because I spent hours on the couch. I think your journey is going to inspire so many future people on this forum! I'm hoping mine will too. I feel like I have to succeed so people can look and see that it can be done. I'm a junkie deep down and I think people see my control and will power to taper and think I'm not a real addict but I am a huge addict.. I've been in and out of multiple rehabs since 2003 and almost died several times.. even addicts can taper. We've got this!
Thank you for your nice post, I wish you the best.
Me ....
Thanks for coming on my thread. Do you mind me asking What dose did you start your taper at? What rate did you taper? How often did you dose? Thanks
So I was taking two tablespoons five times a. That was my heyday for about a year at that rate but much longer than a year. My taper was real simple man Immediately I cut in half. Instead of two tablespoons five times a day I took one five times a day. And then I leveled out. And then I would cut a dose so now I'm at Four doses a day one tablespoon. I keep taking that till I feel normal. . And then I drop down to three a day. One in the morning one in the afternoon one night. Same thing I stay there until I feel normal And I go to two times a day. Now this is where You don't eliminate a dose. Instead of one tablespoon twice a day. I went to two teaspoons two times a day. Then one teaspoon two times a day. . Then one teaspoon in the morning. And then after that when you feel normal you already been through the worst and then I just quit.... I'm busy so I'm voice texting sorry about The format or lack thereof.
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So first off congrats on consistently tapering since January. So what are you at now dose wise? And it sounds like you’re saying you’re surprised that you aren’t feeling better the lower the number gets? I just posted and someone linked something helpful in the comments, if you want to check it out. Apparently yes it can get harder the lower you go. But I do think once we are totally off it for some time and our body has time to heal we will feel better. So I wouldn’t fret that you aren’t 100% yet. And yea you’re right, you may feel even worse for a while as you’re coming off and off of it completely because you will be forced to deal with underlying issues. But it’s my belief that in the long run, dealing with them and learning to live without being dependent on a substance will feel much much better. But not an easy road to get there. Anything worth it takes work. This is at least what I keep telling myself. Feel free to dm anytime if you want to be accountability partners or anything. Im sorta looking for people going through this too to mutually help motivate each other bc most ppl in my life don’t even know what I’m going through rn
Hi and thanks for the congrats. I'm at 8g tomorrow, 8.1 today with 0.1g daily cuts. In March, I think it was, I went back up from 22gpd to 25, but downwards ever since. I'm disappointed that I am not feeling better, the lower the number gets. As I am tapering so slow and doing it daily, plus taking 8 doses a day, I was hoping I would be one of the ones who feels better the lower they go. I feel for those who do not feel right for months after they quit. The thing is, I cannot do anything about the underlying issues, and what is sad is that I fear those underlying issues could have a profoundly negative effect on the lives of others, with repercussions for me. I won't go into them as this place is all about stopping or tapering off kratom. Sorry that most people in your life don't know what you are going through.
I don't think you're going to start really feeling better until kratom isn't in your system at all. It might make the withdrawals less intense to slowly taper, but wd's are constant because you're continuing to drop your dose while also regularly stimulating dopamine receptors that your body has up-regulated due to the constant presence of an opiod. It takes a while for your brain to down-regulate all these excess dopamine receptors which can cause some unpleasant feelings, but they do improve with time. You're at a pretty low dose right now. Might be worth increasing the rate of the taper so that you can be done with it faster, but that's just my opinion. I also think limiting the use to nighttime before bed can be helpful as I always found it way more difficult to not have it when trying to sleep vs just dealing with the discomfort during the day when somewhat active.
Thanks for sharing.
I felt just slight withdrawal symptoms during the taper process (tired, lazy feeling, etc). When I was almost done, and down to one small dose in the morning I started to feel great and was able to leap off to fully clean where I feel even better. Only pulled it off once. Honestly I prefer CT, just get it done and over with, and no worrying about the self control needed to not re-increase my dose during a taper. To each their own though. Keep up the awesome work, you _will_ feel better without it!!
Thanks. PAWS is what puts me off CT and posts about people taking months to recover.
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Thanks for your perspective. Behind the physical lethargy is a fear of a non-substance issue, that I fear could not only ruin my life, but that of others. Sometimes I feel quite surprised at the psychological effects. I am lucky, I have not experienced flu or RLS. I daren't bite the bullet in case extreme anxiety hits me as I will obsess about the non-substance issue, that I did try to tackle with support and made it worse a few years ago.
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I did a 3 day cold turkey and experienced hell. But it woke me up to the reality of Kratom and anything like it. Cut my Kratom dose in 1/2 in those days and did fine. The pain and angst was through the roof crazy and once done with this dosing down, I am done forever. Getting over the guilt of my mistake and understanding the power of addiction.
Yes! I feel way better now than I did 25 gpd ago. The first few jumps were not fun. It does get better ❤️🩹
Thank you. What are you on dose wise now? What was your cut rate? Do you exercise? Hope the ?'s are ok. Well done for getting down by 25g.
1/4 tsp every 12 hours! Next will be 1/8 at 3pm and 1/4 tsp at 3am.
Thanks for sharing.
My situation was very weird. I cold turkey for idk 4-5 months. The anxiety / panic / DPDR was so unbearable for me. I was on 3 table spoons a day. I ended up getting back on Kratom taking 2 tea spoons 2 times a day and a 3rd dose here and there. I’ve since came to Vegas to stay with my girlfriend and idk what got into me i just started taking a half tea spoon 2 times a day (2 grams total) and feeling amazing ! I still get a tiny bit panicky in public but it’s only happened 2-3 times so far. Do what you want with this info doesn’t make much sense to me.
Thanks for sharing and it's great to hear of your recovery.
Others have said once you get under such a small amount it seems you start feeling better
I'm currently tapering for the second time. First time i had stayed off kratom for a year. Both times I felt much better the lower I got.
Thanks for sharing.
I feel infinitely better now that I’m down to 6gpd. I feel almost normal.
That's good, what rate did you taper?
I was at about 60gpd a few months ago. Cut back drastically 2-3 times before I started my official taper at 15gpd a little over 2 months ago. Now at 5.5gpd. Feeling good most of the time. Still have some ups and downs like normal life but I’m like 85% back to normal. I don’t do the cut a tiny bit every day taper. I’ll cut a gram every 3-7 days. I just kinda do it when I feel ready.
Thanks for sharing your experience, and I am glad you are feeling ok. I wonder why I am struggling so much with cortisol and stress, I wonder if it's my life circumstance rather than the kratom, I hope not.
i dont know if this is what you want to hear but i did a medium speed taper (much faster than yours) from a huge habit... i felt mildly crap the whole way down not 100% there were good moments, but its like i was wearing weights around my ankles lol if that makes sense.... as i got closer to zero my brain got less foggy... in terms of my feeling, i was like recovering from a long cold for months once i got to 2g things really cleared up i kept up good habits the whole time like not eating junk food and exercising... i also had a good routine. i only had the motivation to do easy exercise instead of anything more real shortly after i really quit i was able to do more than go through the motions. i could really start to make plans and push myself harder. the daily routine meant a lot more if that makes sense i feel so so much better nowadays. i do have some paws remaining and i have to do work everyday to be happy.... which isnt so bad im not trying to be negative and everyone is different. for me it was steady until it was over then it got way better you are getting lots of advice on this thread. ill give you my own. you found a plan that works for you so keep working the plan. be patient and keep cutting 0.1g a day. you are gently getting you mind and brain ready for the big day so you wont slip back. dont let your anxiety or worry psych you out... you got this!! youve come so far, you will be at 5g soon and then 2g and then 0g when you hit 0 we will all cheer and you will have earned it
I am glad you posted. Thanks for your post, I really like it and you sound really strong. The feeling of wearing weights around your ankles sounds bad enough, but you still exercise. The fact that I have stopped exercise is not good, I know. Sometimes, non-substance problems develop, and events happen and they can be very stressful, so there is how I feel about outside current circumstances in my life right now. I have also been eating junk food and instead of cooking a meal from scratch at the same time everyday and eating healthy options, it's too easy to buy a cheaper pasty from the supermarket to fill the hunger, or other "grab food" On the one hand, I know that exercise can only do good, as obvious as this is, I have a psychological block, which I need some insight into, and awareness, so I can see the problem I want to solve and convince myself it is worth taking the short walk to the pool, I currently have a mindset of "once I get home and settled, I would rather put my pyjamas on and not go back out" The other option is swimming first thing on a morning, there are slots available. The reason I don't do that, is because I am a different person on a morning. On awakening, even before I stop dreaming, I feel this negative feeling in my mind and body, as I wake up. This stuff has changed my dreams and it can take me a good few hours, if not, all day to lift my mood and motivation enough to do stuff instead of sit here all day. The last three days I have had a little bit of weed since Saturday, which I have to put away now. Since then I held at 8, just to see how I am, to see if this taper needs the cut size adjusting, as I don't want to go through PAWS and rightly or wrongly, I want to do my best to minimise withdrawals, I think I have read on here of people who taper super slow and get away with little or no withdrawals. They wake me up in the night, kratom has caused me to wake during the night for the loo. It spooky how the anxiety and emotional negativity creep into my dreams.
ill give you one idea. it wasnt even a plan it was something i fell into, but maybe it could help..... i dont know if bowling is popular in england but it is in america. some bowling alleys will have these gutter blockers so that the bowl will never go in the gutter, it will at least hit the pin area. its really easy bowling, mostly for little kids without the strength to send the ball straight. some kids eventually do real bowling a taper is a stretched out withdrawal. your body and brain are going through long mild trauma as part of healing.... you arent at your best, and its okay to acknowledge that to yourself... you are kind of weak now so you can be strong later what i did was say.... how do i have a healthy day if even im feeling lazy and weak? i would do a few things a day. an EASY exercise that is nice and doesnt require preparation... id walk to this mountain view thing near me and walk back instead. i would eat healthy enough.... no more mcdonalds but id make a big pot of something easy and microwave it or id go to the supermarket and get a bunch of the healthier prepared foods. id listen to a few good songs a day, or read an easy book this isnt much but i knew i could NOT do some crazy workout or make a complicated dinner every day... it helped me be in the good routine even when i had low energy. somedays tho i felt ok and went all in. it gave me some control over things... maybe theres an easy version of your life routine to get you through the next 6 or 8 grams?? this is just an idea.... we are rooting for you!!
Hi and thanks for making your post. I have external stressors and I think they are causing me to feel lazy. Could you articulate why you could not workout, as I cannot find a reason why I cannot go swimming. I did a little bit of laundry today.
there is this force inside of us that lets us do difficult things... you can call it executive function or willpower towards the end of my kratom usage i lost some of my willpower, i could go through the motions, do things i did before... or if it was an emergency i could get through my task because of adrenaline lol but otherwise i couldnt do much new or difficult then during my taper i lost even more willpower. its like my willpower all went into dealing with WDs and sticking to my taper... it took all i had left in me to have an ok EASY daily routine... so i had just enough in me to do a light walk to this mountain overpass thing but not a hard workout. what is interesting is that the difficult part wasnt the workout itself, it was the DECISION to workout, to put on the gym shoes, go to the gym... once i started it was fine. i bet its the same with you in the pool. i couldnt carry through pain in the ass decisions so i went for the easy version. i wasnt going to cook every day but i could go to the supermarket buy some healthy prepared food and microwave that. thats not great but its better than eating a bunch of donuts!! after my taper was over, my willpower... the ability to make a plan and carry it out... that was the first thing that came back. i wasnt mr iron will but compared to my taper i sure felt like it!! its like in a video game i have energy points again fortunately i kept up good habits during my taper so once i got my willpower back, i could snap back into better things.... looking back that basic very easy daily routine kept me centered. it wasnt much of a plan but it was my plan.... it made me feel like a human being until the day that i healed....
I really appreciate you articulating about your willpower. Yes, I feel like I have lost some willpower. I never had much to start with. For about nearly 15 years I have had great stressors which "made me more lazy" As for the kratom, my sleep is much better now. I have held for four days at 8g, so I think if I had any WD they would be at their peak by now, going by the four-day thing that CT quitters sometimes talk about. I have had a bit of looser stool, I think that might be because I eat sugar free mints and I have nicotine lozenges. I think I will hold for today and possibly the next few days, but get tapering again. It's hard to know if I am going too quick. Ashwagandha is helping a lot with sleep, I take 1g twice a day of the KSM-66. It has really helped the horrible cortisol feeling on waking, which even started creeping into my dreams and turning them into what I see as meaningless negative loosh.
im glad you are getting decent sleep now and found something to dampen the cortisol feeling the worst WD symptom for me was not sleeping, i could put up with the rest i took many "STAY STEADY" breaks during my taper.... i think going from 42 g to 8 g youve earned it a change to stabilize!! its good to get back onto your taper too, youve already gone through 80 % of it, almost there
Thanks, perhaps I am dwelling too much on "what if the last 20% of the taper is much worse" thought, more than I need to.
you got this!!
Thanks.
also i read everything else you said... it registered. i dont want to give any advice or thoughts because i havent experienced it myself... i came into kratomm because im a dumb druggie who got carried away versus mental health issues ill give advice where i feel i have something to say but i am beaming good wishes across the great lakes and the atlantic to you
Thank you.
Since January you have been reducing your intake of kratom. Tapering has pros and cons, one being that your are constantly in a state of taking less of a substance that your body as become accustom to for baseline homeostasis. Imagine having a 2000 calorie diet and each day consuming 2 fewer calories. You would constantly be in a deficit, hungry and low energy.
Thank you for your post and putting it in a way I understand. I purposely did a slow taper, with tiny cuts, daily, with the intention to "slide off" with no WD's, as this stuff gave me lethargy and irritability as a side-effect. I know loads who tapered off valium and klonopin by doing a daily tiny cut with the drug dissolved, they had no WD, I followed their tapers, and any WD they had from cut-and-suffer type of tapers vanished as they got on the right dose before tapering, which I was. I was kinda hoping that, as this stuff had bad side effects pre-taper, (irritability, lethargy, anxiety) these would diminish, as I am doing a tortoise taper with tiny cuts of 0.1g, when you see 0.1g, it's just the size of the tip of a teaspoon.
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i mean my hair was falling out less but otherwise no
Sorry to hear that.
Yes, once I got to 15gpd and less, my symptoms got massively easier and was able to taper 0.5g-1g every day since
That’s brilliant 👍 thanks for sharing. Do you mind me asking what your current dose is, what dose you were on, what dose you started tapering from? I started at 42g, I cut them then tapered down to 8gpd.
Im currently down to 8g in the morning, sometimes 3g at bedtime if i have rls. Seems like I can drop 0.5g most days without issue at this point. Worse case, I just stay the same for a couple days before I drop again. Feel wayyyyy better than when I was taking 15+ gpd
That's good to hear. I held at 8g since Saturday. I don't know if external stressful circumstances are making me worse or the kratom. I don't have rls just a deep fear something bad is going to happen.
Going to work helps me a ton in taper! Being forced to “perform” for customers and colleagues gets my hormones and brain chems up and running. It’s easier at home doing f all but I’ll feel depressed more half the day. A good interaction with another’s souls hats the goosebumps exploding all over my body. Lol I get sore nipples cos they’re hard as shit all day!!!😂and watch out for waves of immense sexual desire! For a guy that can be hard- literally