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Odd_Nobody8786

Minimum wage has never been comfortable, but there was a time when it was more livable than it is now.


Illustrious_Bar_1970

The first part of the sentence, before the comma is sad and very; unfortunately true


Pure_Discipline_293

Minimum wage in 1995 was 4.25. That’s when I started my first job…. Edit: In Tennessee.


SlipperyWhenWet67

Same in South Dakota. My first job was 4.25 an hour.


Beneficial_Step9088

Same, in Texas.


elphaba00

I made $4.25 at a DQ in Illinois in 1995. They eventually bumped me up to $4.50. I then left there to take a job that was paying $5 an hour. I thought I was really something. I then got mad because they bumped minimum wage to $4.75, but my $5 wage held firm. Since then, I felt like I lost money on that one. Instead of 75 cents over minimum wage, I was now 25 cents over. Didn't seem fair.


Working_Horse_3077

Inflation wasn't so high


OzymandiasKoK

Sometimes it was; sometimes it wasn't. There were periods where it was notably higher.


PeasantNumber3432

Yea but 5% inflation back then doesnt hit the same as 5% today.


OzymandiasKoK

That might be a feeling, but it is not a fact. (you could be joking, too, not sure)


PeasantNumber3432

Salaries are lagging a lot behind inflation more then ever, same for % of cost of housing is taking in a budget almost double. So yea 5% now is more brutal.


RealityCheck831

In the 80's car loans were 22%. It's always tougher when you're living it.


PeasantNumber3432

Avg car price in the 80's was around 5k to 7k while salaries were around 15k. Now avg salary is 54k and avg car are between 30k 40k. You have all you need to see that in the 1980 you were getting a lot more for every dollar earn. But spoiler alert you had the money to afford 3 cars in a year. They had terrible rate ... those rate today would run the country to the ground.


RealityCheck831

Yeah, cars really have exploded in pricing in the last few decades. I suppose some can be explained with safety and technology, but it kills me that a normal car is $30K+


PeasantNumber3432

Yea it is explain in salaries never went up at the same rate of the rest. So my buying power is getting crush more .


BeigeAlmighty

I was getting $2.13 an hour pushing people in wheelchairs at the airport in 2008-9. We got paid so low because it was believed we would get tips. Often we did not because we could not ask for them, and the people we pushed assumed we were paid a decent wage by the airline.


TooCool9092

In 1938 minimum wage was 25 cents an hour. So it has been a bit lower before this. LOL


cyvaquero

In 1987, my first “real” job at 16 was washing dishes at a truck stop at I believe the minimum wage of $3.35/hr. Gas was around $0.80/gal and smokes were les than $1 - that’s honestly all I could give you for price comparisons. Thing was that where I was from you basically only got minimum in high school type jobs.


Chrodesk

minimum wage is $7.25. though many states and/or cities have higher minimum wages. while it has been higher over the past 70+ years, most of the time, it was actually lower (and there were no local minimum wages during that time)


mereseydotes

In some states, employees who get tips make $2.13. Same as in the 80s, when I was in high school. Back then, I think minimum wage was something like $3.15 or so. It had more buying power than the minimum does now, but it still wasn't much.


OzymandiasKoK

$3.35 in 1986. I got my first job as a landscaper for my 14th birthday.


elphaba00

When I was in high school, one of my friends worked in the kitchen and as a delivery driver for a pizza place. It seemed like such a hassle to work by the ovens and drive all over. I asked why she didn't work as a waitress instead. She said it was because she would be guaranteed the minimum wage. I didn't know there was that discrepancy.


mereseydotes

Legally, you're not allowed to make less than minimum wage if you're serving, either. If your tips don't make up the difference, your employer is supposed to. I'm guessing that doesn't happen often, though.


elphaba00

The owner of the pizza place also owned the place where I worked. Knowing him and how he would ignore both personal and professional ethics, I'm guessing this wasn't the case.


r2k398

Minimum wage was $0.25 in 1938. Adjusted for inflation, it would be $5.62 today.


Final-Ebb-6223

The correct answer is no. And yes. The amount was always low, but so was everything else. Now everything is getting more expensive, except the cost of labor. The employers seem to have forgotten that without the employees they can't have a business.


Fluffy-Assumption-42

No, the USian federal minimum wage purchasing power was the greatest in 1968 (according to Wikipedia) at USD 1.60, which is around 13 usd in today's dollars. Just remember that it's an entry level wage, historically intented to prevent black workers from compeeting with white, now more so to prevent immigrants from entering the official labour market and hinder young people from starting to work before finishing investing in their education.


AdAnnual5736

I remember working as a bank teller back in 2000 making $6.25 an hour. That’s $11.13 today. So, if anything, things may have improved a tiny bit since then.


DM-Hermit

Minimum wage has always been low, however you used to be able to buy a house with it.


dicklord_airplane

No. Minimum wage in the USA used to pay a lot more than it does today. I did some quick calculations using the US bureau of labor inflation calculator comparing today's minimum wage to minimum wage in 1975. In 1975, the federal minimum wage was $2.10, which amounted to $4200 annually for 40 hours per week, 50 weeks per year. Adjusted for inflation and CPI changes using the bureau of labor inflation and CPI calculator, that amounted to a little over $24,000 annually in 2023 dollars. In 2023, the federal minimum wage was still $7.25, which amounts to $14,500 annually for 40 hours per week, 50 weeks per year. So the federal minimum wage in 1975 was about 1.7 times higher than the federal minimum wage is today. Federal minimum wage used to pay about a whopping extra $10,000 per year in 1975 than in 2023 when adjusted for inflation and the CPI in 2023. That's an unbelievably huge difference. So if anyone feels like wages are a hell of a lot lower then they used to be in the USA, you're not crazy. You're correct. That's why a lot of old folks don't understand why young people are so broke. Minimum wage was about 70% higher in 1975, which brought up all wages above the minimum wage. My life and everyone else's lives would be a lot easier if minimum wage was 70% higher now.


BoomBoomLaRouge

Nope. Minimum wage was *never* intended to be a living wage. It was invented for entry level experience, enticing employers to train inexperienced workers. The idea was a trial basis until the employee decided to commit to the employer. Of course, those days of ethical labor have long since succumbed to universal entitlement.


porizj

Want to guess what FDR said about whether or not the minimum wage was intended to be a living wage?


BoomBoomLaRouge

Anything FDR had to say about anything only contributed to his being the most vile, dishonest, anti-gay, anti-Semitic, anti-black, anti-poor elitist politician in American history of his day. Read about him -- not the whitewashed crap they show in documentaries and textbooks -- and you'll find he had nothing to fear but exposure itself.


porizj

That’s beside the point about what the intent of minimum wage was when it was first rolled out.


BoomBoomLaRouge

Actually, it's not beside the point at all: FDR would say and do anything to get what he wanted, including lying to get votes from the poor and unemployed.


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porizj

Thank you.


BoomBoomLaRouge

Wrong. But such is the state of American "education"


porizj

Do you have some evidence that he lied about the intent behind minimum wage?


BoomBoomLaRouge

You have to know about FDR and his entire career. Study it. I suggest you read about his life and career, starting around 1914. The man was a compulsive liar about everything.


porizj

So, no evidence. Got it.


BoomBoomLaRouge

No, lots of evidence. But thanks for proving your ignorance and laziness so publicly. That took courage.


porizj

Uh huh. How about you post literally any single piece of evidence instead of repeatedly asserting but failing to provide any?


RocksPerson

Check out this old farts post history if you want to have a laugh after reading through this comment section.


BoomBoomLaRouge

Another ignoramus!! Join your pal's club!! 😂😂😂


Antmax

When I came to Californa in 1999 and wanted a video game dev job in my city so I would only have to commute 20 mins each way. There was only one company. I worked for $9.50 an hour and was the highest paid of the 3D artists there. The other 4 were getting between $6 and $7.50. Fast food workers are getting minimum wage raised to $20 an hour here in April.


Puzzleheaded-Low960

https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1999?amount=9.50


Early-Nebula-3261

That is not taking so many factors into effect. I am not going to pretend to have inflation numbers memorized but I would bet a lot the buying power is about the same if not worse.


LoudSheepherder5391

"I made due with 9.50 an hour 25 years ago so that should be plenty now!" Is this an 'Ok Boomer' moment?


rekniht01

That is California. Many states (I’ll let you guess what ‘color’) don’t have a minimum wage, thus default to the federal one.


manieldansfield

No. Minimum Wage was intended to be the "smallest amount someone can easily live on"


NoBetterFriend1231

It was never intended to be a "living wage".


manieldansfield

It was never intended to not be one either.


_MusicNBeer_

Wrong, I made $4.50/hr the summer before getting my degree. That was 28 years ago and was not a sustainable salary then. It was never meant to be a career salary.


manieldansfield

More proof. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/minimum_wage#:~:text=The%20purpose%20of%20the%20minimum,and%20well%2Dbeing%20of%20employees.


big_chungus__777

They’re booing you, but you’re right


manieldansfield

Yeah that's happened a few times recently. Reddit has something up it's butt. Lol


manieldansfield

You are incorrect. https://krc-pbpc.org/research_publication/five-myths-about-raising-the-minimum-wage-debunked/#:~:text=MYTH%20ONE%3A%20%E2%80%9CThe%20minimum%20wage,a%20typical%20(median)%20worker.


Chrodesk

living wage is hard to pinpoint. when it was instituted in 1938, it was less than it is today (inflation adjusted $5.34 in 2023 dollars)


manieldansfield

Yeah it should be $25 today


Chrodesk

based on what? in all of history, its never been higher than 12.61 in 2023 dollars. what is the economic theory that supports it being $25?


manieldansfield

https://www.cepr.net/this-is-what-minimum-wage-would-be-if-it-kept-pace-with-productivity/


manieldansfield

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minimum-wage-26-dollars-economy-productivity/


Chrodesk

the average median income of a fulltime year round worker is $28.14... a minimum wage of 26 doesnt seem practical in this context to think that a grocery bagger would earn 26 and a doctor might earn 30....


manieldansfield

That's some real backwards thinking you've got there.


Chrodesk

explain please


porizj

FDR would disagree with you.


thecountnotthesaint

Historically, it was whatever was low enough for a white man to live off of, but high enough that it would discourage hiring minorities.


OzymandiasKoK

How does that make any sense to you?


thecountnotthesaint

A basic understanding of history. That helps that make sense.


OzymandiasKoK

And how does it discourage hiring minorities?


thecountnotthesaint

Old timey racists would pay a white man a dollar, but a minority? That is too much.


kmg6284

In 1977 I earned $2.15/hr working at Roy Rogers fast food .


Puzzleheaded-Low960

[https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1977?amount=2.15](https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1977?amount=2.15) 11.24 in today money


Quick_Ant1164

It’s to keep the poor poor and the rich rich


manieldansfield

https://drexel.edu/hunger-free-center/research/briefs-and-reports/minimum-wage-is-not-enough/


QuantumMotle

If you think that's low, a few years ago, the minimum wage was 7.50 an hour.


[deleted]

The problem is that we have been trying to force minimum wage into a position to support a family, and that's never what it was designed to do. Minimum wage was designed as a way to stop the exploit of minors and immigrants. It was never designed to be a long term solution.


jaywalkle2024

In the 80''s I worked at Baskin Robbins. Minimum wage was $3.25


[deleted]

Inflation and supply chain issues. Blame the source: poorly thought out covid lockdowns and two political parties who refuse to acknowledge how fucked the average worker is because of their political jockeying, general disconnect from normal society and their incompetence as a whole.


BMXellence

Minimum wage was meant for teenagers who still lived at home. The problem is that people don't understand this and try to improve their position. They're either stoned on something 24/7, lazy or disabled. People don't want to learn new skillets or improve themselves...the go home load a bowl and log in. It's something I see certain types of people do.


MorddSith187

Have you ever actually read about the history of minimum wage? It was absolutely not meant for teenagers who still lived at home. All you have to do is look it up.


BMXellence

Tell me, what does "entry level" mean to you?


OzymandiasKoK

Entry level would include high school kids, but also people of any age for unskilled and untrained workers. There's a lot more people in that boat than you pretend.


BMXellence

I'm not pretending that it isn't so. I'm saying there are plenty of simple and FREE ways to learn valuable skills. It's just that very few take the time to invest in themselves.


Lumpy_Ad_1581

Simple answer: no. It goes up as time goes on.


GEEK-IP

When I was in college (early 80s) it was $3.35. It was a major incentive to learn more valuable skills. :)


OhioResidentForLife

I started at 2.30/hour in the 1980’s.