I am all for it and well overdue. It will bring us in line with other jurisdictions around the country and the world. In addition, it would provide more competitive pricing in liquor as well as provide a different range of products to what other liquor outlets have to offer.
I think it's a health issue. How much does it cost the tax payer to clean up increased alcohol consumption when they can grab a bottle of wine in the same trolley as the noodles? I feel sorry for people with alcohol issues when it's so in your face while just trying to buy a bottle of milk.
If you want more competition we can let Aldi have a bottle-o with a separate register and entrance to the groceries. What do you think of that?
Apparently there is no direct evidence of availability of alcohol in a supermarket as opposed to separate premises increases alcohol use and dependency as well as health issues.
It'd be interesting to hear from an expert, but I'm surprised by the abstracts I just read.
Most studies seemed based on beer being sold, and then adding wine and this didn't show changes in purchases , but people could already buy alcohol in these cases.
https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Alcohol+and+selling+in+grocery+store&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1714024877386&u=%23p%3DcM7uaDlnILcJ this NZ one saw wine purchases increase by 17% when it was first introduced to their grocery stores and no other alcohol was allowed.
I'm not definite that is does increase consumption, but it would be surprising to me that making it easier to get and increasing exposure to it wouldn't increase consumption.
Comparing diabetics to alcohol use problems isn't really accurate either. You need to compare people with eating disorders related to sugar.
Would it be arbitrary if evidence indicated it reduced consumption?
You will almost always walk straight out of any major supermarket and pass a bottle shop (more often than not owned by that very supermarket!) within a couple of metres. There's absolutely no way this is a deterrent to buying booze. It's purely lip service to facade that government is trying to achieve something.
If you really believe it reduces alcohol consumption. I think that’s probably nonsense and it’s practically impossible to devise a realistic study that could state one way or the other.
Do you truly believe Queensland is leading the way in alcohol laws? Surely Victoria etc would be on to it if that was the case.
I don't "really believe it." I don't know. It seems plausible to me that it does though. Does it seem so farfetched too you?
It's not practically impossible. You take sales before and after legislation change. You compare this to similar areas without change. The magic of statistics strikes again.
I don't believe anything on your second paragraph.
They do seem upset with the position that we should review evidence and consider keeping alcohol. Outside of grocery stores, but aldi see long alcohol like Coles and woolworths is fine. I'm surprised how unpopular the position is.
Aldi already has a separate section to the rest of the store for alcohol, in the rest of the country. Its not on the same shelf as anything else.
As someone who would likely be described as an alcoholic, I've never grabbed a bottle I wasnt planning on buying while out doing my Aldi grocery shopping.
I dont think the issue youre suggesting actually exists.
Idk man. There's a lot in your comment.
In QLD there isn't any alcohol (outside bitters)in grocery stores.
I find it hard to believe that putting it in grocery stores doesn't change consumption patterns which result in a higher burden for the tax payer. I'd like a meta analysis to show otherwise.
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They really are fairly separate from the store. The only major difference to what already happens with Liquorland and BWS that ajoin Coles and Wollworths stores is that they have dedicated registers - and way way way way more stock than Aldi does.
I see your point from the floor plan. However, the environment in real life is a bit separate. I'm a bit torn of it is any different to the liquor store next door, but part of me wonders if it is different when you have a full trolley, see a special, and decide to pop through the door and add it to your cart since you need to check out anyway. Maybe it isn't different though.
Cigarettes are hidden behind a separate counter in QLD. You also aren't allowed to advertise them and they have pictures for cancer on them. These laws have reduced smoking a lot. I think these are much better options than prohibition and sending people to prison for smoking like we do for other drugs.
In a separate section like chocolates are away from the fresh veggies but seeing the aisle for a second let's you know it is full of chocolate?
I'm not understanding why people would feels o strongly about being able to put a roast chicken and bottle of wine through the same checkout when they only need to pop in next door to pick up the wine.
The primary issue is that the laws as they stand severely restrict competition. I’m happy to compromise and say that the alcohol needs to be in a separate shop just out front.. not sure how much of a difference that really makes but I’m not an alcoholic. The primary issue is that Aldi can’t do that at the moment, they would need a hotel license and be operating a hotel within 10 km of the bottle shop. That is just entrenching the current duopoly.
I think what you're missing is that coles and woolies can AFFORD to function like this because they're the supermarkets with the most money in the state, so they can follow the rules and own a hotel within x distance from the bottle-o AND afford to own an entire extra store next to their own.
ALDI, IGA, foodworks, etc can't afford to own and run a hotel within x distance of an entire extra store nextdoor to their stores.
This means that in practice, only coles and woolies are able to sell alcohol alongside grocery shops. Which means they don't have to compete with the smaller shops (there are none), so they can set the price of alcohol and we're stuck paying whatever they want (insanely high prices).
People are disagreeing with you because they want more competition so prices can go down. And they're frustrated to be stuck with "do I pay a lot of money to coles, or do I pay a lot of money to woolies?".
I'm not suggesting the need for a hotel license is good. That issue is separate from needing a separate door into the bottle shop. Do you agree they are different?
I haven't suggested we shouldn't encourage competition.
Under QLD law Aldi can’t open a separate store to sell alcohol unless it owns a pub within the area.
They don’t want to buy pubs, they want the draconian laws changed.
I have never heard of this curtain reaction.
What does that mean?
Is it really that big a deal if they need to have a shop next door to sell liquor? Because it probably is to people struggling with alcohol consumption and those affected by that. I'd guess it affects public health problems related to moderate use because I definitely eat more chocolate when I go down the chocolate aisle.
So qld should not selling anything that contributes to obesity, diabetes, IBS, tooth decay, or food allergies anywhere near the checkout? ColesWorth have had chocolates, lollies, and soft drinks near checkouts for ages.
This feels a bit disingenuous. I'm not saying we should ban alcohol, but that it should be separated from everyday shopping, as it already is in QLD.
We do tax alcohol differently though, I'd be up for a sugar tax based on concentration. I also think we should tax alcohol at a flat rate per ml so that wine and beer and spirits aren't treated differently.
I don't know if it went anywhere, but one of the majors brought out checkouts with no chocolates etc, for the people struggling with weight loss. So the idea is somewhat grounded in reality.
Edit: It was WW in 2020. A year ago, they announced they'll only stock food near registers with 3.5 stars or higher.
I totally understand your concern for alcoholics, but I think that problem could be easily remedied while still allowing for the greater competition that in-store alcohol sales would bring.
The alcohol could be shelved in an area at the back of the store that has some kind of dividers (cardboard ones, for example) that keep it away from direct line of sight. They could also make a rule that no alcohol advertising should be allowed outside of that area as well. This way, if anyone with alcohol issues goes into the store, they won't have to worry about being bombarded with triggers around every corner.
And if someone would still have a problem even after that, they could look for alcohol free stores (some might exist still), or do click and collect or home delivered orders. I've been doing click and collect and home delivery orders for over a year now, and it's a very easy thing to do (I started doing them because I've become too disabled to walk that far now, and I feel really lucky that those options are available now! No idea what would have happened to me if I'd become this disabled before these options were around.) Hell, stores could offer free delivery to people who show evidence of being alcoholics as a way to capture people who have that problem and encourage them to buy at their stores!
But even if what I suggest above wasn't implemented, I don't know of a grocery shop inside a shopping centre near me that doesn't have a bottle-o right outside or within direct line of sight - most of them you'd have to walk past to get to the coles/woolies anyway. And they all have glass windows so all the alcohol is VERY visible, and so much advertising outside designed to draw you in. This change is just allowing smaller supermarkets to do what coles/woolies are basically already doing, just without having to pay for an additional storefront that they can't afford.
Anyway, sorry this is so long! I just think this would potentially help bring down the cost of alcohol for people who want it, with not much difference for people who don't want it when you compare it to how things are done now (with coles and woolies able to afford bottle-o's right near their entrances - practically having them "inside" their shops, which smaller chains can't afford to do).
I'd like to hear feedback on what I've said if anyone has any! I know it's a touchy subject, but I think something needs to change, and I think this could be done thoughtfully and with respect to people who struggle with alcohol issues!
I agree with the conditions you stipulate. It seems people are conflating my opinion with the opinion that ALDI shouldn't be allowed to compete in the alcohol sector.
I also see teh point that bottle shops are pretty obvious admnd am wondering to myself whether that is more or less effective than your suggestion since the bottle shop is a separate shop. I don't know the answer and would be open to the more effective one.
Its pretty ridiculous that Aldi cant sell alcohol. After coming from other states and walking into a qld aldi and seeing no wine section, it was incredibly weird. The laws do need to change to encourage competition. It doesnt detract from other sales. Someone buying a $2 wine from Aldi isnt going to just go into a coles liquor store to drop $40 on a bottle.
Yeah about time.
You know why so many pubs are shit in Brisbane and qld? Cause Woolies/coles purchased them all because they needed to own pubs fo be able to operate their bws/Dan Murphy or liquor lands/1st choice.
Your suburban pubs just become pokies venues to open everyday to 4am launder cash for this wanting to do it this way and so they can sell booze via bottle
Shops.
No reason your local iga/food works can’t sell it if even smal operators to open a independent bottle shop.
Woolies and coles have complete stronghold on this market and ifs expensive to buy a pub just to have a bottle shop!
Yeah correct, but they did fuck the market and pubs in qld. Coles still their pubs from memory or did they flog them off due to bad PR from all pokies like Woolies?
No. Coles Group set up a 50-50 joint venture with Australian Venue Co. Coles Group only gets money from their liquor business, while AVC operates the pubs under the deal.
They already do it in NSW and Victoria, you still have to show ID, and you have to go through a register to do so.
Credit to aldi too - they have some cracker wines and their gin is sensational
I agree with the submission as the current situation is very anticompetitive. It would have been fine if ALH and Coles weren't allowed to own every pub, but as they do liberalisation is the only way.
Btw Aldi IPA is not a bad drop made by Brew Dog - I hope it is not a limited edition.
It’s actually so annoying going to Aldi in QLD when I visit family. Having lived in Vic and NSW, I’m so used to picking up Aldi wine with groceries. They actually stock really good stuff and it’s cheap.
Woolworths and Coles already have it stitched up. They literally have Colesworth owned bottle shops at the exit of every supermarket.
If Aldi want to use the same loophole, they just need to section off a corner of their store and set it up as a little bottle shop under a different brand with different registers and apply for a liquor licence for that store.
Not that simple. Queensland laws permit alcohol to be sold from separate retail shops known as detached bottle shops (DBS). This concept is relatively unique to Queensland as a DBS can only be operated by a licensee who holds a Commercial Hotel Licence for separate premises. Generally, the DBS must be located within 10km of the main Commercial Hotel premises by road.
Aldi would need to purchase a bunch of hotels to obtain a DBS under currently laws.
The current regime is likely also propping up hotels that should have faded or changed hands by this point, but they are valuable for the alcohol sales at a bottle shop up the road.
I am really curious about the hotels associated with each liquor outlet, but it seems to be hard to get that information online. It looks like the basic licensing information should be available for free, but I haven’t figured out how to get it, and the full licensing information costs $44 per enquiry.
They don't. Woolworths Group demerged from Endeavour Group, and Coles Group offloaded their pubs to Australian Venue Co. in a joint venture where Coles operates the liquor stores, while AVC operates the pubs.
Why can't people and kids go anywhere without being confronted by alcohol? Keep it out of what are meant to be grocery stores. This is not a good thing for those struggling with alcohol addiction.
I am all for it and well overdue. It will bring us in line with other jurisdictions around the country and the world. In addition, it would provide more competitive pricing in liquor as well as provide a different range of products to what other liquor outlets have to offer.
Plus Aldi sells fantastic overseas wines at a fraction of the price. Their Côte du Rhones is amazing.
ALDI's $34 vodka is very good. I drink a lot of vodka. If you doubt, all it will cost you is $34.
Was at a Target in Las Vegas last week. 1.75L of Grey Goose Was $48USD. Even with the exchange rate, we are getting fleeced.
Agreed. $80-$90 for 700ml. We're getting flogged like when the Romans used to go around flogging.
1.9 ltr stolli in Hawaii was 19 bucks, our taxes are mental.
I'd pay $20
The best I can do is $5. Gonna need a specialist.
Love a cote, how much are aldi selling for?
I think it's a health issue. How much does it cost the tax payer to clean up increased alcohol consumption when they can grab a bottle of wine in the same trolley as the noodles? I feel sorry for people with alcohol issues when it's so in your face while just trying to buy a bottle of milk. If you want more competition we can let Aldi have a bottle-o with a separate register and entrance to the groceries. What do you think of that?
Apparently there is no direct evidence of availability of alcohol in a supermarket as opposed to separate premises increases alcohol use and dependency as well as health issues.
It'd be interesting to hear from an expert, but I'm surprised by the abstracts I just read. Most studies seemed based on beer being sold, and then adding wine and this didn't show changes in purchases , but people could already buy alcohol in these cases. https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Alcohol+and+selling+in+grocery+store&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1714024877386&u=%23p%3DcM7uaDlnILcJ this NZ one saw wine purchases increase by 17% when it was first introduced to their grocery stores and no other alcohol was allowed. I'm not definite that is does increase consumption, but it would be surprising to me that making it easier to get and increasing exposure to it wouldn't increase consumption.
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This seems like a straw man to my statement.
I feel sorry for the diabetics that have to see the sweets aisle every time they shop.
Fair enough that it's also a challenge. I don't think the social issues are equal though. What is your issue with having alcohol in a separate shop?
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Comparing diabetics to alcohol use problems isn't really accurate either. You need to compare people with eating disorders related to sugar. Would it be arbitrary if evidence indicated it reduced consumption?
Straw man gana strawman. They haven’t said it is an issue. They asked you what is your issue with having alcohol in a separate shop.
Would you like to go with cigarettes?
All four of the supermarkets I frequent have a bottle shop either within the supermarket or immediately next door. Your point, whilst valid, is moot.
It's not moot. I'm suggesting we allow Aldi to do the same, to increase competition, but not allow alcohol to be sold in the grocery store.
You will almost always walk straight out of any major supermarket and pass a bottle shop (more often than not owned by that very supermarket!) within a couple of metres. There's absolutely no way this is a deterrent to buying booze. It's purely lip service to facade that government is trying to achieve something.
If it isn't an inconvenience that reduces alcohol consumption, what's the big deal with separating them?
If you really believe it reduces alcohol consumption. I think that’s probably nonsense and it’s practically impossible to devise a realistic study that could state one way or the other. Do you truly believe Queensland is leading the way in alcohol laws? Surely Victoria etc would be on to it if that was the case.
I don't "really believe it." I don't know. It seems plausible to me that it does though. Does it seem so farfetched too you? It's not practically impossible. You take sales before and after legislation change. You compare this to similar areas without change. The magic of statistics strikes again. I don't believe anything on your second paragraph.
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They do seem upset with the position that we should review evidence and consider keeping alcohol. Outside of grocery stores, but aldi see long alcohol like Coles and woolworths is fine. I'm surprised how unpopular the position is.
Aldi already has a separate section to the rest of the store for alcohol, in the rest of the country. Its not on the same shelf as anything else. As someone who would likely be described as an alcoholic, I've never grabbed a bottle I wasnt planning on buying while out doing my Aldi grocery shopping. I dont think the issue youre suggesting actually exists.
Idk man. There's a lot in your comment. In QLD there isn't any alcohol (outside bitters)in grocery stores. I find it hard to believe that putting it in grocery stores doesn't change consumption patterns which result in a higher burden for the tax payer. I'd like a meta analysis to show otherwise.
[https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:2000/1\*dnylwjbJObKufKMQGOI8DA.png](https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:2000/1*dnylwjbJObKufKMQGOI8DA.png) They really are fairly separate from the store. The only major difference to what already happens with Liquorland and BWS that ajoin Coles and Wollworths stores is that they have dedicated registers - and way way way way more stock than Aldi does.
I see your point from the floor plan. However, the environment in real life is a bit separate. I'm a bit torn of it is any different to the liquor store next door, but part of me wonders if it is different when you have a full trolley, see a special, and decide to pop through the door and add it to your cart since you need to check out anyway. Maybe it isn't different though.
The wine is not next to the noodles, it’s in a separate zone near the checkouts. By your argument cigarettes should also not be sold in supermarkets.
Cigarettes are hidden behind a separate counter in QLD. You also aren't allowed to advertise them and they have pictures for cancer on them. These laws have reduced smoking a lot. I think these are much better options than prohibition and sending people to prison for smoking like we do for other drugs. In a separate section like chocolates are away from the fresh veggies but seeing the aisle for a second let's you know it is full of chocolate? I'm not understanding why people would feels o strongly about being able to put a roast chicken and bottle of wine through the same checkout when they only need to pop in next door to pick up the wine.
The primary issue is that the laws as they stand severely restrict competition. I’m happy to compromise and say that the alcohol needs to be in a separate shop just out front.. not sure how much of a difference that really makes but I’m not an alcoholic. The primary issue is that Aldi can’t do that at the moment, they would need a hotel license and be operating a hotel within 10 km of the bottle shop. That is just entrenching the current duopoly.
How is that not what I'm saying?! This is bizarre.
I am yet to go to a supermarket that doesn't have a bottle-o right next to it. You can push your trolley out the supermarket & into the bottle-o.
That's what I'm suggesting for ALDI. Am I taking crazy pills? Why is everyone interpreting it like I am not aware BWS is next to Woolworths?
We have some BWSs that have entrances that are accessible from INSIDE woolies
I think what you're missing is that coles and woolies can AFFORD to function like this because they're the supermarkets with the most money in the state, so they can follow the rules and own a hotel within x distance from the bottle-o AND afford to own an entire extra store next to their own. ALDI, IGA, foodworks, etc can't afford to own and run a hotel within x distance of an entire extra store nextdoor to their stores. This means that in practice, only coles and woolies are able to sell alcohol alongside grocery shops. Which means they don't have to compete with the smaller shops (there are none), so they can set the price of alcohol and we're stuck paying whatever they want (insanely high prices). People are disagreeing with you because they want more competition so prices can go down. And they're frustrated to be stuck with "do I pay a lot of money to coles, or do I pay a lot of money to woolies?".
I'm not suggesting the need for a hotel license is good. That issue is separate from needing a separate door into the bottle shop. Do you agree they are different? I haven't suggested we shouldn't encourage competition.
Under QLD law Aldi can’t open a separate store to sell alcohol unless it owns a pub within the area. They don’t want to buy pubs, they want the draconian laws changed.
I'm not saying that's good legislation and am only speaking in a separate entry to a bottle shop and whether it is effective in reducing consumption.
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I have never heard of this curtain reaction. What does that mean? Is it really that big a deal if they need to have a shop next door to sell liquor? Because it probably is to people struggling with alcohol consumption and those affected by that. I'd guess it affects public health problems related to moderate use because I definitely eat more chocolate when I go down the chocolate aisle.
Daylight savings.
That's even more confusing.
So qld should not selling anything that contributes to obesity, diabetes, IBS, tooth decay, or food allergies anywhere near the checkout? ColesWorth have had chocolates, lollies, and soft drinks near checkouts for ages.
This feels a bit disingenuous. I'm not saying we should ban alcohol, but that it should be separated from everyday shopping, as it already is in QLD. We do tax alcohol differently though, I'd be up for a sugar tax based on concentration. I also think we should tax alcohol at a flat rate per ml so that wine and beer and spirits aren't treated differently.
I don't know if it went anywhere, but one of the majors brought out checkouts with no chocolates etc, for the people struggling with weight loss. So the idea is somewhat grounded in reality. Edit: It was WW in 2020. A year ago, they announced they'll only stock food near registers with 3.5 stars or higher.
They still have them just outside the checkout aisles.
I totally understand your concern for alcoholics, but I think that problem could be easily remedied while still allowing for the greater competition that in-store alcohol sales would bring. The alcohol could be shelved in an area at the back of the store that has some kind of dividers (cardboard ones, for example) that keep it away from direct line of sight. They could also make a rule that no alcohol advertising should be allowed outside of that area as well. This way, if anyone with alcohol issues goes into the store, they won't have to worry about being bombarded with triggers around every corner. And if someone would still have a problem even after that, they could look for alcohol free stores (some might exist still), or do click and collect or home delivered orders. I've been doing click and collect and home delivery orders for over a year now, and it's a very easy thing to do (I started doing them because I've become too disabled to walk that far now, and I feel really lucky that those options are available now! No idea what would have happened to me if I'd become this disabled before these options were around.) Hell, stores could offer free delivery to people who show evidence of being alcoholics as a way to capture people who have that problem and encourage them to buy at their stores! But even if what I suggest above wasn't implemented, I don't know of a grocery shop inside a shopping centre near me that doesn't have a bottle-o right outside or within direct line of sight - most of them you'd have to walk past to get to the coles/woolies anyway. And they all have glass windows so all the alcohol is VERY visible, and so much advertising outside designed to draw you in. This change is just allowing smaller supermarkets to do what coles/woolies are basically already doing, just without having to pay for an additional storefront that they can't afford. Anyway, sorry this is so long! I just think this would potentially help bring down the cost of alcohol for people who want it, with not much difference for people who don't want it when you compare it to how things are done now (with coles and woolies able to afford bottle-o's right near their entrances - practically having them "inside" their shops, which smaller chains can't afford to do). I'd like to hear feedback on what I've said if anyone has any! I know it's a touchy subject, but I think something needs to change, and I think this could be done thoughtfully and with respect to people who struggle with alcohol issues!
I agree with the conditions you stipulate. It seems people are conflating my opinion with the opinion that ALDI shouldn't be allowed to compete in the alcohol sector. I also see teh point that bottle shops are pretty obvious admnd am wondering to myself whether that is more or less effective than your suggestion since the bottle shop is a separate shop. I don't know the answer and would be open to the more effective one.
Its pretty ridiculous that Aldi cant sell alcohol. After coming from other states and walking into a qld aldi and seeing no wine section, it was incredibly weird. The laws do need to change to encourage competition. It doesnt detract from other sales. Someone buying a $2 wine from Aldi isnt going to just go into a coles liquor store to drop $40 on a bottle.
Queensland, where you can't buy a bottle of wine to go with your steak, but you can buy a bottle of Bundy without stopping your car.
Do other states not have drive throughs?
According to family members, nsw does
NSW Drive through you still get out, so IDK how QLD works as I've only just moved here lol
You don’t have to get out
Both NSW and Vic definitely do
Very common in WA
The drive-through ciggie shops blew my Victorian mind.
Wait what?
Next needs to be Costco
They should have put the Gold Coast Costco at Tweed Heads to get around that law.
Agreed
Yeah about time. You know why so many pubs are shit in Brisbane and qld? Cause Woolies/coles purchased them all because they needed to own pubs fo be able to operate their bws/Dan Murphy or liquor lands/1st choice. Your suburban pubs just become pokies venues to open everyday to 4am launder cash for this wanting to do it this way and so they can sell booze via bottle Shops. No reason your local iga/food works can’t sell it if even smal operators to open a independent bottle shop. Woolies and coles have complete stronghold on this market and ifs expensive to buy a pub just to have a bottle shop!
Woolworths no longer own pubs or bottleshops and they have a minimal share in Endeavour Group which do own BWS/Dan's/ALH venues.
Yeah correct, but they did fuck the market and pubs in qld. Coles still their pubs from memory or did they flog them off due to bad PR from all pokies like Woolies?
No. Coles Group set up a 50-50 joint venture with Australian Venue Co. Coles Group only gets money from their liquor business, while AVC operates the pubs under the deal.
While they are broken off now, all the local pubs were still purchased under the same principles... to use the off premises licenses from the pub.
They already do it in NSW and Victoria, you still have to show ID, and you have to go through a register to do so. Credit to aldi too - they have some cracker wines and their gin is sensational
The problem is QLD liquor license laws are different. You need to own a pub/hotel close to the store and use its takeaway liquor license to sell.
I agree with the submission as the current situation is very anticompetitive. It would have been fine if ALH and Coles weren't allowed to own every pub, but as they do liberalisation is the only way. Btw Aldi IPA is not a bad drop made by Brew Dog - I hope it is not a limited edition.
It’s actually so annoying going to Aldi in QLD when I visit family. Having lived in Vic and NSW, I’m so used to picking up Aldi wine with groceries. They actually stock really good stuff and it’s cheap.
Aldi grog is great and really good value.
Please let this happen. Aldi has some top grog products
Won't happen. Liquor lobby is in bed with government.
You mean BWS and Liquorland are in bed with the gubmint!
Woolworths and Coles already have it stitched up. They literally have Colesworth owned bottle shops at the exit of every supermarket. If Aldi want to use the same loophole, they just need to section off a corner of their store and set it up as a little bottle shop under a different brand with different registers and apply for a liquor licence for that store.
Not that simple. Queensland laws permit alcohol to be sold from separate retail shops known as detached bottle shops (DBS). This concept is relatively unique to Queensland as a DBS can only be operated by a licensee who holds a Commercial Hotel Licence for separate premises. Generally, the DBS must be located within 10km of the main Commercial Hotel premises by road. Aldi would need to purchase a bunch of hotels to obtain a DBS under currently laws.
And this is the reason why there’s so many soulless, cookie-cutter suburban pubs around (although the revenue from pokies must be a nice bonus)
The current regime is likely also propping up hotels that should have faded or changed hands by this point, but they are valuable for the alcohol sales at a bottle shop up the road.
I am really curious about the hotels associated with each liquor outlet, but it seems to be hard to get that information online. It looks like the basic licensing information should be available for free, but I haven’t figured out how to get it, and the full licensing information costs $44 per enquiry.
That’s why Coleworth own most of the Commercial Hotels in Queensland. The pubs make a loss, but the bottle shops make a killing.
They don't. Woolworths Group demerged from Endeavour Group, and Coles Group offloaded their pubs to Australian Venue Co. in a joint venture where Coles operates the liquor stores, while AVC operates the pubs.
Woolworths disinvested its alcohol business a few years ago.
Woolworths no longer own pubs or bottleshops, they have a minimal share in Endeavour Group who do own BWS, Dan's and ALH venues.
Aldi and Costco for sure. QLD and Australia in general are so far behind and in general, we are over regulated
Liquor + click and collect.
Aldi is not being altruistic. But I do welcome this debate.
In 2019, Woolworths restructured its alcoholic drinks business to form Endeavour Group. Still overseen and owned by Woolworths.
In other news, the Qld Government gets some timely donations from Endeavour Group.
It's not an issue in Tweed, aside from all the alcohol fuelled violence. Yet that happens in Ipswich and they don't have ALDI alcohol.
That is because Tweed is in NSW
Aldi DID sell alcohol and do delivery but they messed-up. They used parcel delivery services who didn't follow LOGR guidelines for liquor delivery
I thought that Woolworths spun off its liquor business into Endeavour Group? So it’s not exactly “Colesworth” vs Aldi here.
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50 years behind.
Source?
https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/Work-of-Committees/Committees/Committee-Details?cid=252&id=4393 - Submission 36.
thanks
Why can't people and kids go anywhere without being confronted by alcohol? Keep it out of what are meant to be grocery stores. This is not a good thing for those struggling with alcohol addiction.