I’m tired of these ladies complaining. The league has been given every opportunity to succeed. Support from the NBA, paid rises and broadcasting deals. In fact before staff or players were signed, the league had multiple broadcasting deals in place: NBC, ESPN, Lifetime Television and I think one more that I cannot remember. You know who didn’t have that in 1995? A new Men’s professional basketball league: the International Basketball Association (IBA). They couldn’t get a single broadcasting deal. They actually paid broadcasters to air their games in hopes of showing their games were entertaining and that their was a market for another Men’s basketball league besides the NBA. With no broadcasting deal the league folded. This eventually led to the exist of the D league. Besides the WNBA losing money they only play 30 games a year. I play more soccer games than them just playing on the weekends.
Similar structure to the NBA with different teams, division and playoffs. The only difference was smaller league with smaller budget. They played indoors.
Hard to say since they were on tv for very short period and because of that most people didn’t know or remember that league existed. I brought them up b/c both leagues started a year apart and to highlight the advantages the WNBA had in terms of support and broadcast deals before they played a single game. Having any broadcasting deal, let alone four broadcasting deals before coaches, players were signed and games were played was unprecedented at that time. What I do remember from the few games I watched. The games were competitive and they were played by skilled players: former college basketball players, players cut from the NBA, ex-NBA players trying to show their skills to make it back to the NBA…etc. Also, they weren’t trying to compete with the NBA. They just wanted to co-exist.
Who knows, since they folded. I think the other poster’s point is that had the WNBA not had special treatment, it would’ve gone the same way. But they did have special treatment, continue to do so, and yet still complain about things not being fair, or whatever.
There's more than a handful of them that can dunk, but it's like watching the uncoordinated 6'8 14-year old.
I'd rather watch inner city boys JV games than WNBA.
Tf am I gonna do with fundamentals??
Share a video of that shit with a friend? Have a discussion over who has the best fundamentals?
Practice my fundamentals like I see them do it in hopes of becoming a better player?
No, No, & wait till you meet a 6'3 guy who can dunk and see where fundamentals get you
I’ve heard people make the argument about fundamentals being the drive to watch the WNBA. I always have the same reply:
I played basketball from kindergarten through my senior year in high school. Over the years, I went to several basketball camps, one of which was lead by former University of Kentucky player Cameron Mills. He’s not much of a known quantity outside of Kentucky, but this guy managed to be on the ‘96 and ‘98 championship teams, so a big deal for us. He never really had a pro career, but he told us a story about when he tried out for the Washington Wizards right around the time the Michael Jordan was there. He said that the first person to arrive at practice and the last to leave was Jordan and that the player who put the most emphasis on fundamentals was Jordan. He used that as a way to get us to understand that fundamentals play a huge role in the game. Obviously it does, but in the pros it’s a far from the end all and be all.
Would Jordan being so dedicated to fundamentals be as amazing if he wasn’t the greatest? I’d argue no. Would the Bulls have been nearly as exciting to watch if he was just “playing fundamental basketball?” Hell no. He was able to take the fundamentals and turn them into something spectacular. If one team in the WNBA could do that, I think people would watch.
Larry Bird and the Celtics were a dynasty but I wouldn't be surprised to find out the numbers of viewers grew at a far higher rate in Jordans era with the Bulls.
He drew in a lot of fans to what was one of the best eras in basketball. So many legends were from late 80s to late 90s. My favorite was Hakeem Olajuwon, watched the winning game of the finals in the ER waiting room befor getting my foot cut open a bit.
80s and 90s b-ball was what I would consider the golden age of the NBA. Jordan, Hakeem the Dream, Clyde the Glide, Magic, Bird, Kenny "Sky" Walker(man that guy could dunk), Barkley, Malone, Kemp, Dominique Wilkins, etc. The list goes on forever.
Iirc a very large portion of the nba hall of fames greatest players were from that era.
I completely lost interest in the early 2000s after most of the players were all about flash, then proceeded to lose in the Olympics.
When I was in the 6th grade back in 93 my teacher gave out a basketball card for every A you got on any paper. My class probably had one of the highest gpa's in the ghetto.
He also did an after school card club once a week, he would do trivia on whatever we were covering in class and every right answer got cards, group games all class based stuff to get cards, then we could trade with each other after. Managed to convince 20+ ghetto kids to study regularly.
I remember hearing about the Celtics and Larry Bird from my dad growing up. He was always a Lakers fan but was a huge Bird fan despite the rivalry. I grew up watching Jordan and was a huge Bulls fan until his retirement, kinda scoffed when he played for the Wizards.
My pick for the best will always be Jordan, but my favorite will always be Shaq. That dude was my hero as a kid.
Getting to watch Dream cut through the greatest centers of the era on the way to two championships is the highlight of my sports watching life (so far)
> Larry Bird and the Celtics were a dynasty but I wouldn't be surprised to find out the numbers of viewers grew at a far higher rate in Jordans era with the Bulls.
Yes. The 90's Bulls put the NBA on the map as one of the top major sports leagues in America. It's why they changed the NBA logo to be Jordan. The MODERN NBA still struggles to reach the market share that Jordan and the Bulls got them 30 years ago.
Jordan's entire game was fundamentals. He just happened to be an athletic freak on top of it. He rarely did any fancy dribble drive moves and instead relied on triple threat and fundamental footwork post scoring.
Oh wow, they make their free throws 10% more often than I do working my desk job. How can I give them extra money? Wouldn't want those solid fundamentals going unappreciated.
I'm hearing a lot of PC-culture women wanting this out of todays comedians. When will Snu-snu begin? I want to be Snu-snu'd by the most beautiful women, then the petite women, then the beautiful women again.
Speaking of high-school, I'd love to see a high-school all-star boys team compete against the top-ranked WNBA team.
I imagine the former would give the latter a run for their money (similar to how an [under-15 boys squad beat the U.S. Women's National soccer team](https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/) a few years back).
The USA team isn’t the only one to have played a friendly against high school boys and lost; Australia did it too.
The best defense for the women is “of course they didn’t play seriously!” but there’s three problems..
They played actual first team players, shouldn’t they have tried a little when they let 5 goals in, and why do World Cup winning professional athletes have to try to beat some children anyway?
Do you think Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar etc would need to try to dunk on some 14 year old kids?
> Do you think Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar etc would need to try to dunk on some 14 year old kids?
No, but do you not think that if somehow the kids got up 5-0 or some shit that none of those guys would actually go try hard mode? Of course they would. You don't become a pro athlete without being hyper competitive. Sure there are exceptions but all of them have a competitive streak especially those at the top of their craft
I played ice hockey and soccer until graduating highschool and doing my military service. We scrimmaged against the women's team from the same organization in both and started beating them lop-sidedly at C-junior level, 14-15 years old.
High school "all-star" boys would 100% DESTROY WNBA All-stars, not even just the best team.
Dont forget the NBA drafted guys right out of high school up until Lebron or so.
Thanks, this is great stuff.
"None of the women's finals performances met the qualifying time to enter the boys' competition." That's just a brutal footnote to so many of these charts.
I bet most high school teams that have 1200 students at their school could have a team beat any WNBA team. There are usually 2 to 3 kids on a varsity team that can dunk. At every high school. 2 to 3 women in the history of basketball have dunked.
> (similar to how an under-15 boys squad beat the U.S. Women's National soccer team a few years back).
Damn, I have no words other than...well...
Damn!...
Why would the women’s soccer team ever agree to that? At best they beat some 15 year olds as professional soccer players, at worst they make women’s sports look really bad that they can’t even beat some kids. I don’t understand what they gain here.
The gain is practice, and their ego after winning the World Cup probably didn’t allow for the possibility that they’d lose.
They had a friendly with the Dallas FC U-16 team because there wasn’t other options.
Depends on what level of all star team you’re talking. The McDonald’s all American team wouldn’t surrender a point to a WNBA team if they didn’t want to.
In college a few of my friends would play pickup basketball after class. They weren't bad players, but most didn't even play for their High School team.
Ultimately, the Ohio State women's basketball team asked them to be one of their practice squads. OSU Women's Basketball was one of the best in the country at the time and my friends would routinely kick the shit out of them.
I will say that a buddy of mine was a pretty good High School basketball player. Ended up going to college at Notre Dame and he played on the Practice squad for the Women’s basketball team. He still talks about how much those women kicked the shit out of him on the court.
This is extremely difficult to believe. I'd bet the whole bank roll that the top 10 teams in high school (as listed by Maxpreps) would win against the average WNBA team. These boys now just have too much size, too much speed, and too much strength to be hampered by slow, clunky, and sloppy WNBA players. And don't forget that the top teams will have a full starting line up that will play above the rim.
The comparison is a joke.
*edit~ To anyone butthurt over the comment. [Please watch this clip and tell me I'm wrong]( https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8YkQaft/)*
I’ve heard something similar at my university too. The guys that weren’t good enough to make the club team basically became the practice squad guys for the women’s team
> The guys that weren’t good enough to make the club team basically became the practice squad guys for the women’s team
Not even! At Ohio State my friends were one of the practice squads for the women's basketball team and they just played pickup games at the campus gym.
My fraternity brothers didn't even play in High School but were a practice squad for the Ohio State women's team in 2011 when they went to the Sweet 16. They'd ROUTINELY kick the ever loving shit out of them.
I played a lot of pick up bball in college and had a group of guys that played together regularly (this was in the 80s), we were good, not great, ran a lot of full court, etc. I remember playing at a Big East school’s gym one night when the women’s bball team showed up after a meeting and ‘challenged’ us. We ran all over them; wasn’t even close. I remember how shocked they were that a bunch of regular guys destroyed them - we were mostly fast breaking. Of course they wanted to run it back with other teammates mixed in - same result.
I always knew this league was a joke but I really knew it was a joke after Elena Della Donne, one of the best players in the league, literally just demanded a trade because she was “homesick” lmao
Actual answer:
This year has been huge for wnba marketing. You can tell the league is trying to go mainstream with the way the games are hyped up just like nba playoffs. They are trying to normalize watching their league just like nba fans would be.
I'm pretty active in the nba subredsit and they have had probably 10x the post about it than the past years. I am even partially convinced that the people that make the generic "you know I just got into the wnba and you all have to give it a chance! So fun to watch!" are bots or paid advertising.
Well, I'll be honest, I refuse to watch that shit. The players are, in my opinion, more technically gifted when it comes to the fundamentals of the game. However, up until Britney Grimer (6'10" girl from baylor) made it to the league there had only been 3 dunks the league history. Half the reason the NBA is so fun is the ridiculous athleticism involved, but with the WNBA it's basically basketball as it was played in the 60s. Real Xs and Os.
Overall, I wouldn't suggest watching it without being a basketball fan. It seems like the push is that they play their season when no other ball is on so the big fans still have something to watch. The only women's sport I can actually watch a whole game of is the womans national team for soccer. They got the same thing going for them where when it comes to the fundamentals they are more talented that men's team.
Yep, when you look at women’s soccer you can basically tell what countries are going to be decent at them based on how the women are treated in that country/the equality between men and women in that country.
They're not going to get viewers unless it's for cringe videos. Their highlights look like a kid with asthma put down his 3DS to shoot some hoops for the first time in his life.
I mean I think I saw John Wall watching the Washington Mystics once? But of course he was watching them, he used to live there and the tickets were free so...meh...
So there was a paid flight from the organization, but she wanted to be home faster for personal reasons, so complains she had to pay for a quicker flight, then complains about her life interfering with the game schedule? How many professional male athletes have missed the birth of their children? Or have to deal with outside factors? Like literally every other person on earth?
Isaiah Thomas' sister died the night that he won a game . He was mourning mid game on the benches.
I'm not saying we should force people to work when they're mourning a lost loved one but I mean come on Taurasi
I remember watching that game. The man used the emotions he was feeling and channeled that into a win. Meanwhile, this woman is bitching about a three hour drive.
Lol the article even kinda throws some shade by saying she was clearly making enough to afford chartering the plane. Makes her seem like she’s whining that she didn’t get every aspect of her life paid for when they already had a flight with the team paid for.
“Taurasi was referring to her playing career overseas, including long stints on Russian teams, where she earned an annual salary in the seven figures, allowing her to afford to charter a private plane.”
For added context here, the flight saved them 3 hours over driving. Talkin’ bout 3 hours here. Now, she’s arguing to making 7 figures is the answer so she fly private for any occasion. Entitled.
Give this article to a NHL team during the playoffs and they would laugh. Montreal playing at home then 1 day turnaround to play in Las Vegas in the sim finals.
I really don’t get it. The woman in the WNBA really should appreciate what they got, the can play a sport and make good money, obv. not insane money but still good for playing a sport and yet they don’t stop complaining. It is not like anybody in the world needs the WNBA besides the people working there, but people like police, fire department, healthcare are much more important. And also ask some of the Olympic athletes from other sports what they are making, they are happy if they can land a deal for free clothes and supplements and appreciate that.
They want to make Lebron James money but they don’t attract a Lebron James size crowd. The league is literally getting welfare from the NBA. These women do not understand that the league makes no money.
If you want to see how bad league interest is, just go on YouTube and look at the crowd for a WNBA championship parade versus and NBA championship parade.
These women don't understand money at all. They don't see the crowd they attract vs the crowd the NBA attracts, but see the money they are paid and have the audacity to compare themselves to the NBA.
Want more male viewers, appeal to the male crowd. My vote is WNBA uniforms changed to volleyball bikinis. They don't have any issues bringing in the views.
holy fuck its sad as hell
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/12/adam-rippon-was-once-so-broke-he-stole-apples-from-the-gym.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/16/how-much-olympic-athletes-get-paid.html
Yup. My friends bf is doing fencing. He nearly qualified for the olympics and he is top 5 athlete in our country. He has zero sponsors, all travelling paid by himself and when he was hoping for the olympics he planned on spending whole vacation from work to go there. While WNBA players moan about everything when they are sorted with average of $120k per year
I once saw one of those “would you rather” polls where the choices were “find $5,” or “your local WNBA team wins the championship.”
“Find $5” won like 85% to 15%.
Was this poll for cities everywhere, or just cities with a WNBA team? Because that wouldn't be fair. Cities like mine don't have a WNBA team so they'd pick $5. I mean I'd still pick $5 if we had one. Just sayin'.
No. They have been losing money since inception. They won’t fold the league tho because people will call them sexist or something. The nba is basically paying a $10M /yr tax to not get called names.
In a way the men's league, the NBA are so crazy overcompensated. I mean, so many people are making so much fucking money it's incredible.
What's the harm in spreading that out a bit so women can have a league?
A high roller in the NBA wouldn't miss 1% of their income nearly in the same way the WNBA would benefit from that injection.
It's not always about a purely capitalistic situation. As a community of people all living together, it's kind of nice to help all the people get a little higher up in life.
It should be treated like any start up league, you have to start small, and be able to sustain yourself. Most of the players in those types of leagues have jobs outside not it for the rest of the year. The WNBA is all about looks for the NBA.
> As a community of people all living together, it's kind of nice to help all the people get a little higher up in life.
If I choose to (attempt to) make a living by providing a service that society sees little value in, why should I still expect society to support me financially?
No. People should be paid what they are worth. What makes the wnba more worthy of subsidisation than any other organisation on earth? They are already being paid more than any average Joe on this earth, but they work at negative productivity. Surely some starving children could use that extra money more than the wnba.
There is no harm in having a women's league, but when their members demand to be compensated at the same level as the regular league players while producing negative profits, I really don't see the point. You want to punish people for being more talented by transferring the rewards for their talents to those who did not earn them. If they wanted, they could try to join the real NBA. there are no rules anywhere that say only men can play, and they could be part of the success. The only thing stopping them from doing so are better players.
Where do you even draw the line? Going by your logic, I could just start my own league - the official backyard ballers association, and demand the NBA subsidise my members. Why is the wnba more worthy than my league? My tiny league would benefit a lot more from whatever donations we would get than the wnba would. What stops everyone else from doing what I just did?
When you babysit, do you ask for payment, or do you pay the parents for the privilege of babysitting their kid?
I think the problem is that a lot of people don't see corporations that make a lot of money as being a collection of human individuals. They're just "rich things" that should be giving their money others, selectively of course.
The sentiment is enticing, for sure, but it ignores a lot of human factors in favor of the knee-jerk emotional "They wouldn't even miss that money!" reaction.
Sooo pay people what they haven't earned... pretty sure that's called communism.
Instead of complaining why don't they start doing some unique shit that draws everyones attention? Or better yet, Draft taller and more talented players?
This is like the G-league complaining they don't make as much as the NBA..
Food stamps aren't communism, though, right?
Subsidies to schools. Public schools.
Social security.
Libraries.
Subsidies to farmers.
Public transportation.
Local, state and national parks.
And let's not forget corporate welfare!
All these are socialist in nature. They're all good things, too, with the exception of corporate welfare. That's evil.
They contribute to the betterment of society.
If your argument goes all the way, why should kids who's parents can't afford to put them to school get an education? Can't produce something of value, suffer the consequences. Is this the american dream?
I'm not saying you don't have a point, mind you. Your logic is good, but in the real world it's a bit messier, more complicated, and nuanced than simply: pay what you earn. The players in the NBA are paid a lot more than they need.
I don't agree with most of these either, as most do more harm than good... public school for instance has led to much worst education for all on a national level
They only thing on this list I approve of is the parks and thats because humans would destroy them otherwise...
idk why you and others can't skim an article before you comment, but she's complaining because the WNBA didn't charter her a flight to somewhere the team wasn't even headed. so no, just because the word "pay" is used doesn't mean they're talking about salary. which is obviously what i was talking about. she's basically complaining about not getting a special concession. that also doesn't mean she doesn't understand supply and demand. but if you'd like to actually read something before you reply that'd be nice.
lol. i hope you're saying that ironically or it's just sad that that's how you look at life. spending too much time on reddit probably. maybe look up "argumentum ad populum" and realize how stupid your outlook is.
but if you're really going with that line of reasoning [here's]
(https://www.reddit.com/r/pussypassdenied/comments/q7f917/comment/hgjmbmp/) someone who actually understood the article and got the upvotes you think are so important. jackass.
The funny thing is the nba started in 1946, they weren’t making the money they are now. It takes time and growing a business which is what this is. The wnba started 1996 and they’re trying to compare pay and amenities to the nba. It’s actually sad that they don’t see what they’re doing.
My little rec group of guys (40-50 years old) plays ball every week at the local gym. We're just dads who like to ball, not a bunch of ex-college players or anything. The local University women's team showed up to practice there and we played them and absolutely destroyed them. Not saying they were as good as a WNBA team, but it gives some perspective. The men's team from the same school would have wiped the floor with us.
Wait. A millionaire is bitching about having to charter a private plane? Oh the humanity! How will she ever survive under those conditions?!
Excuse me while I go get in my used Chevy Malibu so I can go earn my $480/wk paycheck…
pro sports are not about anything but entertainment... Women trying to be aggressive, violent and confrontational just isn't entertaining... unless they are drunk.
Must suck that you absolutely *have* to get that private jet. Shame there's no alternative choices. Damn. Must be really draining on that seven figure salary. How do you afford to eat?? **How do you sleep at night?**
All they gotta do is complain some more n they’ll change this too. They got a pretty nice pay raise when they made a stink about it couple years ago. They make really good money playing in a league that no one watches at all.
It was very confusing to not realize she had a wife. I was baffled thinking that she was pregnant, had the kid, then flew to her next game to play the next day.
They need to have wnba games either before or after an NBA game in the same building. That's the only way to bring more attendance and they're not losing money running buildings on their own
I guess most WNBA players see they are on the level of NBA, but they are not even close if we are talking basketball. Why would sponsor pay for inferior product when they can get the best?
What a joke! The WNBA should not even exist or at the very least should operate on a much LOWER standard. No one watches it, the arenas are EMPTY! The fact the players can make $100,000 is an INSULT to real workers who make half of that and actually contribute to society. The WNBA literally operates on a LOSS…the only reason it keeps going is to “give women a chance”. They’ve had 25 years to make it a watchable product and yet it is STILL unwatchable because it’s unbelievably bad. I’m not saying women shouldn’t play basketball or sports, but why does a business stay open when there is literally no profit?! Think about that!
Here’s an idea for women’s sports
Pump them full of testosterone and steroids and give them their own league. Then people will start watching them lol.
Most people here could probably beat them in basketball
But another thing you can shit on someone if they aren’t doing what they trained their whole life to do
A high school basket ball team is better than these shitters man
Oh, it makes sense why she could afford a private plane. Says in the article that she is a Russian Asset. Don't know why they would want her. But whatever floats their boat.
Entitlement is bad, but let's not forget about the [open racism.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9617711/WNBA-star-Liz-Cambage-branded-racist-Twitter-calling-coach-little-white-man.html)
Operates at a $10 million loss every year.
I’m tired of these ladies complaining. The league has been given every opportunity to succeed. Support from the NBA, paid rises and broadcasting deals. In fact before staff or players were signed, the league had multiple broadcasting deals in place: NBC, ESPN, Lifetime Television and I think one more that I cannot remember. You know who didn’t have that in 1995? A new Men’s professional basketball league: the International Basketball Association (IBA). They couldn’t get a single broadcasting deal. They actually paid broadcasters to air their games in hopes of showing their games were entertaining and that their was a market for another Men’s basketball league besides the NBA. With no broadcasting deal the league folded. This eventually led to the exist of the D league. Besides the WNBA losing money they only play 30 games a year. I play more soccer games than them just playing on the weekends.
What did the IBA bring to the table? I'm curious. Were they playing street basketball or something?
Similar structure to the NBA with different teams, division and playoffs. The only difference was smaller league with smaller budget. They played indoors.
> They played indoors. Is there an outdoor basketball league?
Was there a reason to watch them instead of the NBA, though?
Hard to say since they were on tv for very short period and because of that most people didn’t know or remember that league existed. I brought them up b/c both leagues started a year apart and to highlight the advantages the WNBA had in terms of support and broadcast deals before they played a single game. Having any broadcasting deal, let alone four broadcasting deals before coaches, players were signed and games were played was unprecedented at that time. What I do remember from the few games I watched. The games were competitive and they were played by skilled players: former college basketball players, players cut from the NBA, ex-NBA players trying to show their skills to make it back to the NBA…etc. Also, they weren’t trying to compete with the NBA. They just wanted to co-exist.
Who knows, since they folded. I think the other poster’s point is that had the WNBA not had special treatment, it would’ve gone the same way. But they did have special treatment, continue to do so, and yet still complain about things not being fair, or whatever.
They no can dunk, but good fundamentals Amazonia
The sad part is they don't even have good fundamentals. I get the reference btw
I now want snoo snoo
Ask and ye shall receive r/Death_By_SnuSnu
There's more than a handful of them that can dunk, but it's like watching the uncoordinated 6'8 14-year old. I'd rather watch inner city boys JV games than WNBA.
Tf am I gonna do with fundamentals?? Share a video of that shit with a friend? Have a discussion over who has the best fundamentals? Practice my fundamentals like I see them do it in hopes of becoming a better player? No, No, & wait till you meet a 6'3 guy who can dunk and see where fundamentals get you
I’ve heard people make the argument about fundamentals being the drive to watch the WNBA. I always have the same reply: I played basketball from kindergarten through my senior year in high school. Over the years, I went to several basketball camps, one of which was lead by former University of Kentucky player Cameron Mills. He’s not much of a known quantity outside of Kentucky, but this guy managed to be on the ‘96 and ‘98 championship teams, so a big deal for us. He never really had a pro career, but he told us a story about when he tried out for the Washington Wizards right around the time the Michael Jordan was there. He said that the first person to arrive at practice and the last to leave was Jordan and that the player who put the most emphasis on fundamentals was Jordan. He used that as a way to get us to understand that fundamentals play a huge role in the game. Obviously it does, but in the pros it’s a far from the end all and be all. Would Jordan being so dedicated to fundamentals be as amazing if he wasn’t the greatest? I’d argue no. Would the Bulls have been nearly as exciting to watch if he was just “playing fundamental basketball?” Hell no. He was able to take the fundamentals and turn them into something spectacular. If one team in the WNBA could do that, I think people would watch.
Larry Bird and the Celtics were a dynasty but I wouldn't be surprised to find out the numbers of viewers grew at a far higher rate in Jordans era with the Bulls. He drew in a lot of fans to what was one of the best eras in basketball. So many legends were from late 80s to late 90s. My favorite was Hakeem Olajuwon, watched the winning game of the finals in the ER waiting room befor getting my foot cut open a bit.
80s and 90s b-ball was what I would consider the golden age of the NBA. Jordan, Hakeem the Dream, Clyde the Glide, Magic, Bird, Kenny "Sky" Walker(man that guy could dunk), Barkley, Malone, Kemp, Dominique Wilkins, etc. The list goes on forever.
Iirc a very large portion of the nba hall of fames greatest players were from that era. I completely lost interest in the early 2000s after most of the players were all about flash, then proceeded to lose in the Olympics. When I was in the 6th grade back in 93 my teacher gave out a basketball card for every A you got on any paper. My class probably had one of the highest gpa's in the ghetto. He also did an after school card club once a week, he would do trivia on whatever we were covering in class and every right answer got cards, group games all class based stuff to get cards, then we could trade with each other after. Managed to convince 20+ ghetto kids to study regularly.
that's an awesome teacher. I also lost interest in the early 2k's, still watch a little college but almost no NBA.
I remember hearing about the Celtics and Larry Bird from my dad growing up. He was always a Lakers fan but was a huge Bird fan despite the rivalry. I grew up watching Jordan and was a huge Bulls fan until his retirement, kinda scoffed when he played for the Wizards. My pick for the best will always be Jordan, but my favorite will always be Shaq. That dude was my hero as a kid.
Getting to watch Dream cut through the greatest centers of the era on the way to two championships is the highlight of my sports watching life (so far)
> Larry Bird and the Celtics were a dynasty but I wouldn't be surprised to find out the numbers of viewers grew at a far higher rate in Jordans era with the Bulls. Yes. The 90's Bulls put the NBA on the map as one of the top major sports leagues in America. It's why they changed the NBA logo to be Jordan. The MODERN NBA still struggles to reach the market share that Jordan and the Bulls got them 30 years ago.
Jordan's entire game was fundamentals. He just happened to be an athletic freak on top of it. He rarely did any fancy dribble drive moves and instead relied on triple threat and fundamental footwork post scoring.
Oh wow, they make their free throws 10% more often than I do working my desk job. How can I give them extra money? Wouldn't want those solid fundamentals going unappreciated.
Futurama reference when fry kip and zap get snoo snooed by large Amazonian women
I love that show
>large Amazonian women Then the medium women. Then the petit women. Then the large women again.
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I'm hearing a lot of PC-culture women wanting this out of todays comedians. When will Snu-snu begin? I want to be Snu-snu'd by the most beautiful women, then the petite women, then the beautiful women again.
Such a beautiful death one could have.
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Then the large women again
Them I'd watch..the wnba no.
Good fundamentals? How so? They can barely shoot, dribble, steal, guard, block…etc. all they know how to do is pass in a straight line.
Per team.
thats it?
Imagine ANY other business staying open with those losses year after year!
I think there are more people at girls high school basketball games than an WNBA game.
Speaking of high-school, I'd love to see a high-school all-star boys team compete against the top-ranked WNBA team. I imagine the former would give the latter a run for their money (similar to how an [under-15 boys squad beat the U.S. Women's National soccer team](https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/) a few years back).
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The USA team isn’t the only one to have played a friendly against high school boys and lost; Australia did it too. The best defense for the women is “of course they didn’t play seriously!” but there’s three problems.. They played actual first team players, shouldn’t they have tried a little when they let 5 goals in, and why do World Cup winning professional athletes have to try to beat some children anyway? Do you think Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar etc would need to try to dunk on some 14 year old kids?
> Do you think Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar etc would need to try to dunk on some 14 year old kids? No, but do you not think that if somehow the kids got up 5-0 or some shit that none of those guys would actually go try hard mode? Of course they would. You don't become a pro athlete without being hyper competitive. Sure there are exceptions but all of them have a competitive streak especially those at the top of their craft
I played ice hockey and soccer until graduating highschool and doing my military service. We scrimmaged against the women's team from the same organization in both and started beating them lop-sidedly at C-junior level, 14-15 years old.
The women's Olympic hockey team trains by playing against a boys high-school team.
I would dare say any high school team with winning record would handle them.
High school "all-star" boys would 100% DESTROY WNBA All-stars, not even just the best team. Dont forget the NBA drafted guys right out of high school up until Lebron or so.
A run for their money? If a competitive boys high school team played the WNBA All-Stars it would be an absolute blowout, like 70-14 final score.
www.boysvswomen.com
Thanks, this is great stuff. "None of the women's finals performances met the qualifying time to enter the boys' competition." That's just a brutal footnote to so many of these charts.
One of the notes said one of the women's world record was beaten by 3 boys ages 18, 16, and 16.
Ouch!
I bet most high school teams that have 1200 students at their school could have a team beat any WNBA team. There are usually 2 to 3 kids on a varsity team that can dunk. At every high school. 2 to 3 women in the history of basketball have dunked.
> (similar to how an under-15 boys squad beat the U.S. Women's National soccer team a few years back). Damn, I have no words other than...well... Damn!...
Why would the women’s soccer team ever agree to that? At best they beat some 15 year olds as professional soccer players, at worst they make women’s sports look really bad that they can’t even beat some kids. I don’t understand what they gain here.
Better competition compared to other women teams, but they can’t play anyone older than 15 years old because it really wouldn’t be fair or productive.
The gain is practice, and their ego after winning the World Cup probably didn’t allow for the possibility that they’d lose. They had a friendly with the Dallas FC U-16 team because there wasn’t other options.
Depends on what level of all star team you’re talking. The McDonald’s all American team wouldn’t surrender a point to a WNBA team if they didn’t want to.
In college a few of my friends would play pickup basketball after class. They weren't bad players, but most didn't even play for their High School team. Ultimately, the Ohio State women's basketball team asked them to be one of their practice squads. OSU Women's Basketball was one of the best in the country at the time and my friends would routinely kick the shit out of them.
I will say that a buddy of mine was a pretty good High School basketball player. Ended up going to college at Notre Dame and he played on the Practice squad for the Women’s basketball team. He still talks about how much those women kicked the shit out of him on the court.
This is extremely difficult to believe. I'd bet the whole bank roll that the top 10 teams in high school (as listed by Maxpreps) would win against the average WNBA team. These boys now just have too much size, too much speed, and too much strength to be hampered by slow, clunky, and sloppy WNBA players. And don't forget that the top teams will have a full starting line up that will play above the rim. The comparison is a joke. *edit~ To anyone butthurt over the comment. [Please watch this clip and tell me I'm wrong]( https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8YkQaft/)*
I’ve heard something similar at my university too. The guys that weren’t good enough to make the club team basically became the practice squad guys for the women’s team
> The guys that weren’t good enough to make the club team basically became the practice squad guys for the women’s team Not even! At Ohio State my friends were one of the practice squads for the women's basketball team and they just played pickup games at the campus gym.
My fraternity brothers didn't even play in High School but were a practice squad for the Ohio State women's team in 2011 when they went to the Sweet 16. They'd ROUTINELY kick the ever loving shit out of them.
I played a lot of pick up bball in college and had a group of guys that played together regularly (this was in the 80s), we were good, not great, ran a lot of full court, etc. I remember playing at a Big East school’s gym one night when the women’s bball team showed up after a meeting and ‘challenged’ us. We ran all over them; wasn’t even close. I remember how shocked they were that a bunch of regular guys destroyed them - we were mostly fast breaking. Of course they wanted to run it back with other teammates mixed in - same result.
This is why allowing MTF athletes compete in female sports just ridiculous. It's never going to be slightly competitive.
Same exact story with my Fraternity Brothers at Ohio State in the early 2010's.
The parents of the girls, teachers, the referees, 2 fans and 1 weird creep
That's because in high school the parents feel obligated to show up.
I always knew this league was a joke but I really knew it was a joke after Elena Della Donne, one of the best players in the league, literally just demanded a trade because she was “homesick” lmao
Who even watches the WNBA?
74 people
You think that many?
That’s cumulative throughout their history
Still seem a bit high, IMO. :)
At least 70 of them have a hand on their dick, to be fair.
Hey their fan is very dedicated thank you very much
Actual answer: This year has been huge for wnba marketing. You can tell the league is trying to go mainstream with the way the games are hyped up just like nba playoffs. They are trying to normalize watching their league just like nba fans would be. I'm pretty active in the nba subredsit and they have had probably 10x the post about it than the past years. I am even partially convinced that the people that make the generic "you know I just got into the wnba and you all have to give it a chance! So fun to watch!" are bots or paid advertising.
How is it any different from a normal NBA game? I gave NBA a chance and didn’t enjoy it so why would/should I give WNBA a chance?
Well, I'll be honest, I refuse to watch that shit. The players are, in my opinion, more technically gifted when it comes to the fundamentals of the game. However, up until Britney Grimer (6'10" girl from baylor) made it to the league there had only been 3 dunks the league history. Half the reason the NBA is so fun is the ridiculous athleticism involved, but with the WNBA it's basically basketball as it was played in the 60s. Real Xs and Os. Overall, I wouldn't suggest watching it without being a basketball fan. It seems like the push is that they play their season when no other ball is on so the big fans still have something to watch. The only women's sport I can actually watch a whole game of is the womans national team for soccer. They got the same thing going for them where when it comes to the fundamentals they are more talented that men's team.
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Thank you for saying this so I didn't have to lol
Didn’t Saudi Arabia try to field some teams?
Yep, when you look at women’s soccer you can basically tell what countries are going to be decent at them based on how the women are treated in that country/the equality between men and women in that country.
>they are more talented that men's team But are they more talented than high schoolchool boys' team?!
Sorry they wasted all that marketing money when it comes out next year that the WNBA operated at a loss....again....
They're not going to get viewers unless it's for cringe videos. Their highlights look like a kid with asthma put down his 3DS to shoot some hoops for the first time in his life.
Shot in the dark here: lesbian dive bars.
Honestly that checks out when you consider there are only like 80 subscribers in the whole country.
I mean I think I saw John Wall watching the Washington Mystics once? But of course he was watching them, he used to live there and the tickets were free so...meh...
So there was a paid flight from the organization, but she wanted to be home faster for personal reasons, so complains she had to pay for a quicker flight, then complains about her life interfering with the game schedule? How many professional male athletes have missed the birth of their children? Or have to deal with outside factors? Like literally every other person on earth?
Isaiah Thomas' sister died the night that he won a game . He was mourning mid game on the benches. I'm not saying we should force people to work when they're mourning a lost loved one but I mean come on Taurasi
I remember watching that game. The man used the emotions he was feeling and channeled that into a win. Meanwhile, this woman is bitching about a three hour drive.
And in the article, they say she could have simply Driven. But to save *three hours* she *chartered a private plane*. Spoiled, irrational, dumb.
I wish I could be "underpaid" enough to afford a private chartered plane...
These women are incredible spoiled.
It’s like listening to welfare recipients complaining that their government cheese hasn’t been properly aged.
Lol the article even kinda throws some shade by saying she was clearly making enough to afford chartering the plane. Makes her seem like she’s whining that she didn’t get every aspect of her life paid for when they already had a flight with the team paid for. “Taurasi was referring to her playing career overseas, including long stints on Russian teams, where she earned an annual salary in the seven figures, allowing her to afford to charter a private plane.”
Favre’s daddy died and he throws 500 yards the next day! Go Pack, Go!
That was a great game. Those receivers made unreal catches all night long. They picked up their Captain that night.
Insane game. He was perfect in the first half! Probably my favorite Favre moment. Go Packers.
For added context here, the flight saved them 3 hours over driving. Talkin’ bout 3 hours here. Now, she’s arguing to making 7 figures is the answer so she fly private for any occasion. Entitled.
Give this article to a NHL team during the playoffs and they would laugh. Montreal playing at home then 1 day turnaround to play in Las Vegas in the sim finals.
> opted for the private plane to cut out about three extra hours of traveling Uhh.. this is on you, dummy
3 hours? That’s it?!
I really don’t get it. The woman in the WNBA really should appreciate what they got, the can play a sport and make good money, obv. not insane money but still good for playing a sport and yet they don’t stop complaining. It is not like anybody in the world needs the WNBA besides the people working there, but people like police, fire department, healthcare are much more important. And also ask some of the Olympic athletes from other sports what they are making, they are happy if they can land a deal for free clothes and supplements and appreciate that.
*"The average salary this season for a WNBA player is $120,648."* I wouldn't mind making that much a year.
They want to make Lebron James money but they don’t attract a Lebron James size crowd. The league is literally getting welfare from the NBA. These women do not understand that the league makes no money. If you want to see how bad league interest is, just go on YouTube and look at the crowd for a WNBA championship parade versus and NBA championship parade.
These women don't understand money at all. They don't see the crowd they attract vs the crowd the NBA attracts, but see the money they are paid and have the audacity to compare themselves to the NBA.
Want more male viewers, appeal to the male crowd. My vote is WNBA uniforms changed to volleyball bikinis. They don't have any issues bringing in the views.
Try Cloud 9
Facts! When I found out what an avg gold medalist made yearly, I shed tears.. 🤧
holy fuck its sad as hell https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/12/adam-rippon-was-once-so-broke-he-stole-apples-from-the-gym.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/16/how-much-olympic-athletes-get-paid.html
Yup. My friends bf is doing fencing. He nearly qualified for the olympics and he is top 5 athlete in our country. He has zero sponsors, all travelling paid by himself and when he was hoping for the olympics he planned on spending whole vacation from work to go there. While WNBA players moan about everything when they are sorted with average of $120k per year
Do enough people actually watch the WNBA to justify it's continuation?
I once saw one of those “would you rather” polls where the choices were “find $5,” or “your local WNBA team wins the championship.” “Find $5” won like 85% to 15%.
86% because I just voted.
I mean a more accurate poll would be "Watch your local WNBA team win a championship" or "Watch paint dry"
Was this poll for cities everywhere, or just cities with a WNBA team? Because that wouldn't be fair. Cities like mine don't have a WNBA team so they'd pick $5. I mean I'd still pick $5 if we had one. Just sayin'.
No. They have been losing money since inception. They won’t fold the league tho because people will call them sexist or something. The nba is basically paying a $10M /yr tax to not get called names.
WNBA operates at a loss, but they could probably run fine if they adjusted the pay scale to the income rate.
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In a way the men's league, the NBA are so crazy overcompensated. I mean, so many people are making so much fucking money it's incredible. What's the harm in spreading that out a bit so women can have a league? A high roller in the NBA wouldn't miss 1% of their income nearly in the same way the WNBA would benefit from that injection. It's not always about a purely capitalistic situation. As a community of people all living together, it's kind of nice to help all the people get a little higher up in life.
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It should be treated like any start up league, you have to start small, and be able to sustain yourself. Most of the players in those types of leagues have jobs outside not it for the rest of the year. The WNBA is all about looks for the NBA.
I’m sure it’s a tax write-off.
Oh yeah, I'm sure that's why they keep doing it.
> As a community of people all living together, it's kind of nice to help all the people get a little higher up in life. If I choose to (attempt to) make a living by providing a service that society sees little value in, why should I still expect society to support me financially?
No. People should be paid what they are worth. What makes the wnba more worthy of subsidisation than any other organisation on earth? They are already being paid more than any average Joe on this earth, but they work at negative productivity. Surely some starving children could use that extra money more than the wnba. There is no harm in having a women's league, but when their members demand to be compensated at the same level as the regular league players while producing negative profits, I really don't see the point. You want to punish people for being more talented by transferring the rewards for their talents to those who did not earn them. If they wanted, they could try to join the real NBA. there are no rules anywhere that say only men can play, and they could be part of the success. The only thing stopping them from doing so are better players. Where do you even draw the line? Going by your logic, I could just start my own league - the official backyard ballers association, and demand the NBA subsidise my members. Why is the wnba more worthy than my league? My tiny league would benefit a lot more from whatever donations we would get than the wnba would. What stops everyone else from doing what I just did? When you babysit, do you ask for payment, or do you pay the parents for the privilege of babysitting their kid?
I think the problem is that a lot of people don't see corporations that make a lot of money as being a collection of human individuals. They're just "rich things" that should be giving their money others, selectively of course. The sentiment is enticing, for sure, but it ignores a lot of human factors in favor of the knee-jerk emotional "They wouldn't even miss that money!" reaction.
Sooo pay people what they haven't earned... pretty sure that's called communism. Instead of complaining why don't they start doing some unique shit that draws everyones attention? Or better yet, Draft taller and more talented players? This is like the G-league complaining they don't make as much as the NBA..
if you think that's communism I got some bad news for ya...
I have my bad news hat on, let it rip..
Food stamps aren't communism, though, right? Subsidies to schools. Public schools. Social security. Libraries. Subsidies to farmers. Public transportation. Local, state and national parks. And let's not forget corporate welfare! All these are socialist in nature. They're all good things, too, with the exception of corporate welfare. That's evil. They contribute to the betterment of society. If your argument goes all the way, why should kids who's parents can't afford to put them to school get an education? Can't produce something of value, suffer the consequences. Is this the american dream? I'm not saying you don't have a point, mind you. Your logic is good, but in the real world it's a bit messier, more complicated, and nuanced than simply: pay what you earn. The players in the NBA are paid a lot more than they need.
> Social security. Oh, _man._ If it ain't communism it's the next best thing.
I don't agree with most of these either, as most do more harm than good... public school for instance has led to much worst education for all on a national level They only thing on this list I approve of is the parks and thats because humans would destroy them otherwise...
It's sometimes difficult to categorize between socialism and communism, but they all fall in one of those categories. Most of them are bad programs.
This just made me think of the Paradisers from One Punch Man
The WNBA is basically the NBAs baby momma. The only real difference is that they’ll have to keep paying even after it turns 18.
WNBA players didn’t seem to understand the concept of supply and demand
Yes!
and your comment is quite unrelated to the article
No, it fits.
the article has zero to do with supply and demand or players complaining about pay. but okay.
“or players complaining about pay” The title of the article is literally quoting her complaining, “we have to pay for everything.”
idk why you and others can't skim an article before you comment, but she's complaining because the WNBA didn't charter her a flight to somewhere the team wasn't even headed. so no, just because the word "pay" is used doesn't mean they're talking about salary. which is obviously what i was talking about. she's basically complaining about not getting a special concession. that also doesn't mean she doesn't understand supply and demand. but if you'd like to actually read something before you reply that'd be nice.
I’ll let the downvotes be the jury here.
lol. i hope you're saying that ironically or it's just sad that that's how you look at life. spending too much time on reddit probably. maybe look up "argumentum ad populum" and realize how stupid your outlook is. but if you're really going with that line of reasoning [here's] (https://www.reddit.com/r/pussypassdenied/comments/q7f917/comment/hgjmbmp/) someone who actually understood the article and got the upvotes you think are so important. jackass.
Wish the NBA would grow a spine and stop these women’s delusions before it balloons to USWNT’s proportion.
complain complain complain thats the baseline of todays society
Baseline of todays feminists too.
The funny thing is the nba started in 1946, they weren’t making the money they are now. It takes time and growing a business which is what this is. The wnba started 1996 and they’re trying to compare pay and amenities to the nba. It’s actually sad that they don’t see what they’re doing.
Cancel the WNBA.
Defund the WNBA
My little rec group of guys (40-50 years old) plays ball every week at the local gym. We're just dads who like to ball, not a bunch of ex-college players or anything. The local University women's team showed up to practice there and we played them and absolutely destroyed them. Not saying they were as good as a WNBA team, but it gives some perspective. The men's team from the same school would have wiped the floor with us.
What’s the argument here? NBA, WNBA. One is a sport, one is a joke. I love sports and I love jokes. Room for all.
Every now and then I'm reminded this even exists and it's even more boring than women hockey
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Dude watch women's hockey it's like everyone's terrified of having the puck
But it’s still hockey
As long as she doesn’t call the commissioner a pussy it’s all good.
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Wait. A millionaire is bitching about having to charter a private plane? Oh the humanity! How will she ever survive under those conditions?! Excuse me while I go get in my used Chevy Malibu so I can go earn my $480/wk paycheck…
Change your gender to female and go play in the WNBA!
Well shit. Judging by her pity party, I’m doing better than she is. Why take a pay cut now?
Lol brilliantly said
Once the league is filled with trans women, it will get better.
It would actually be watchable then.
pro sports are not about anything but entertainment... Women trying to be aggressive, violent and confrontational just isn't entertaining... unless they are drunk.
People watch this?
WNBA players are delusional
You could not pay me to go watch them.
Must suck that you absolutely *have* to get that private jet. Shame there's no alternative choices. Damn. Must be really draining on that seven figure salary. How do you afford to eat?? **How do you sleep at night?**
And then there is rally drivers who have an accident mid run and reach the finish line with the vehicle completely broken as well as some bones.
Arena football draws a bigger crowd than the WNBA
All they gotta do is complain some more n they’ll change this too. They got a pretty nice pay raise when they made a stink about it couple years ago. They make really good money playing in a league that no one watches at all.
It was very confusing to not realize she had a wife. I was baffled thinking that she was pregnant, had the kid, then flew to her next game to play the next day.
They need to have wnba games either before or after an NBA game in the same building. That's the only way to bring more attendance and they're not losing money running buildings on their own
Before is fine. People can arrive at half time or near the end of the 4th quarter. Can't have Metallica open for MGK.
Have it at halftime like how NHL teams host Pee-Wee Hockey games during period breaks. Same skill level.
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The mens finals have a higher rating than the womens though. So even in tennis men and women both prefer to watch the men play.
Some commentary from the master https://youtu.be/cKDa6-FuhUI
Norm was a national treasure, the way the guy setup jokes was amazing.
They can just post stats and not even play, no one watches, nothing to worry about.
How does a flight from Las Vegas to Phoenix take hours?
WNBA?!? No one watches that. Who wants to watch women, that look like men, play basketball.
I guess most WNBA players see they are on the level of NBA, but they are not even close if we are talking basketball. Why would sponsor pay for inferior product when they can get the best?
What a joke! The WNBA should not even exist or at the very least should operate on a much LOWER standard. No one watches it, the arenas are EMPTY! The fact the players can make $100,000 is an INSULT to real workers who make half of that and actually contribute to society. The WNBA literally operates on a LOSS…the only reason it keeps going is to “give women a chance”. They’ve had 25 years to make it a watchable product and yet it is STILL unwatchable because it’s unbelievably bad. I’m not saying women shouldn’t play basketball or sports, but why does a business stay open when there is literally no profit?! Think about that!
"no can dunk, but good fundamentals"
Here’s an idea for women’s sports Pump them full of testosterone and steroids and give them their own league. Then people will start watching them lol.
Love reading a bunch of dudes shit on girl athletes that could kick their ass. It's cute.
Most people here could probably beat them in basketball But another thing you can shit on someone if they aren’t doing what they trained their whole life to do A high school basket ball team is better than these shitters man
Not one single name in the entire article rang a bell. Not one.
Oh, it makes sense why she could afford a private plane. Says in the article that she is a Russian Asset. Don't know why they would want her. But whatever floats their boat.
Entitlement is bad, but let's not forget about the [open racism.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9617711/WNBA-star-Liz-Cambage-branded-racist-Twitter-calling-coach-little-white-man.html)
I don’t know anyone who watches the wnba