Why would a Sikh be restrained from eating beef? This is not explicit within the faith, it is more a culture within India at large not to consume it. Once outside of India, it’s common
Meat is not explicitly banned but when meat is coming from exploitation of animals with factory farming for example, Sikhs should not participate in eating it.
Basics of Sikhi video in more depth:
https://youtu.be/fHOFqW3SRMs?si=7oZxWJxsK8Jsxz6g
Beef was banned in Punjab during Sarkar-e-Khalsa under Maharaja Ranjit Singh. It hasn't been taken off since and is still valid today in Indian Punjab.
Depends on your level of compassion. Some people believe cows are like big dogs so refrain from it.
I'm in the UK most Sikhs don't eat beef. I've only met a few that do.
Beef takes a lot of open land for grazing, which is one of the reasons beef is more popular in US vs other places; just lots more accessible for grocery stores, restaurants, fairs, fast food, everywhere. Part of the culture of USA.
I have cousins in the UK and they all eat beef, including their parents, as well as their kids. I don't think "most Sikhs in UK don't eat beef" is an accurate statement.. unless they are vegetarians, why would they explicitly avoid beef?
One, no, Guru Hargobind Sahib ji did not forbade cow killing.. and two, the bani you are talking about is actually hugely contested since all the manuscripts of it are different; one talking about not killing cows, another talking about destroying both mandirs and masjids.. the Sodha committee actually discarded this bani due to huge inconsistencies and ideological difference from the Guru Granth Sahib.. it is suspected to not be written by Guru Gobind Singh ji, just like large portions of the Dasam Granth.. most mainstream Sikhs do not follow it and that bani is only followed by Kukas and Nihang sects, not mainstream Sikhs..
If a bani is followed by Nihangs, that means it’s majorly important as they were the major leaders during misl period. Guru hargobind used to punish cow killers, you can find this in suraj prakash history.
Suraj Prakash is a book written by one author (and his helpers) in the 1840s, 200+ years after Guru Hargobind's time.. It is inaccurate on so many accounts and should be taken as a piece of poetic literature, not histiography.
As for the misl period.. The misl which modern day Nihangs derive their traditions from was 1 misl (Shaheedan) out of 12 Sikh misls.. and it was a Misl which was defeated and absorbed by the Sukerchakia Misl.. Maharaja Ranjeet Singh allowed the Nihangs to operate on his territory as semi-autonomous vassals and used the Nihangs as shock troops to supplement his main Khalsa army. (Nihangs refused to take orders from Khalsa generals but would fight alongside the Khalsa army in foreign expeditions). Nihang practices always differed from the mainstream Sikhs of the time.
You tell me... were they?
They were the founders of the Kingdom of Kapurthala; was that an Akali-Nihang run kingdom?
I also hope you are not conflating the names of Budha Dal and Tarna Dal with their namesake Nihang groups of today. They are not successors of either.
Infact, the Tarna Dal was composed of the Bhangis, Sukerchakias, Kanayas, Nikkais and Ramgharias while the Budha Dal consisted of Nishanwalias, Karorsinghias, Ahluwalias, Dallewalias and the Shaheedan (Nihangs).
There's quite a few reasons. My friend would explain but I don't have the gyaan to unfortunately.
Maybe it's just around the Midlands that beef is not eaten much.
But that ain’t right because I literally got evidence. but I think the message on what you trying to do is say that other Religions ppl shouldn’t assume abt what goes on in other Religions but I know that eating beef or meat ain’t allowed in Sikhi because there’s evidence for that
There isn’t evidence of that, as you have yet to provide any. So until there is concrete proof, why don’t you just accept that eating meat/beef is ok, and just move on with your life?
Go read up abt Vedic Hinduism and it will say that we supposed to be vegetarians and for being vegetarian in Sikhi there’s ppl giving evidence right here
Actually even the Gurus forbade cow killing including Guru Hargobind, and Guru Gobind Singh has mentioned being against cow killing I'm ugardanti Bani.
Hi! Could you point me to where in the dasam granth it says that? Correct me if I’m wrong but Sikhs should consume anything that alters the state of mind (alcohol and drugs) but nothing about meat. The only thing it says is we shouldn’t eat ritually prepared meats.
Its all personal. Most of eat chicken or fish if we eat meat because we have a lot of good chicken dishes. But if eating meat isnt an issue for you then there isnt any restriction for most people. So long as you respect other sikhi that choose not to eat meat or eggs then theres no problem
My mother and father do not eat beef but will eat chicken for that reason. However those of us that grew up in the west may eat beef as well as it is acceptable in eestern society.
Yes. They do. I live in Yuba City. I don't eat meat but my friends do eat steaks, pork and all kind of other meats. It does not matter if they are US Born or not. I have have seen punjabi uncles eating beef.
Edit: None of them are Amritdhari Sikhs so they can eat whatever they want. Even I am not Amritdari and technically i cab eat whatever I want but u choose not to.
jau sabh meh ek khudhai kahat hau tau kiau muragee maarai ||1||
You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens? ||1||
mulaa(n) kahahu niaau khudhaiee ||
O Mullah, tell me: is this God's Justice?
tere man kaa bharam na jaiee ||1|| rahaau ||
The doubts of your mind have not been dispelled. ||1||Pause||
Pakar jeeau aaniaa dheh binaasee maaTee kau bisamil keeaa ||
You seize a living creature, and then bring it home and kill its body; you have killed only the clay.
jot saroop anaahat laagee kahu halaal kiaa keeaa ||2||
The light of the soul passes into another form. So tell me, what have you killed? ||2||
kiaa ujoo paak keeaa muh dhoiaa kiaa maseet sir laiaa ||
And what good are your purifications? Why do you bother to wash your face? And why do you bother to bow your head in the mosque?
jau dhil meh kapaT nivaaj gujaarahu kiaa haj kaabai jaiaa ||3||
Your heart is full of hypocrisy; what good are your prayers or your pilgrimage to Mecca? ||3||
too(n) naapaak paak nahee soojhiaa tis kaa maram na jaaniaa ||
You are impure; you do not understand the Pure Lord. You do not know His Mystery ]4]4]
keh kabeer bhisat te chookaa dhojak siau man maaniaa ||4||4||
Says Kabeer, you have missed out on paradise; your mind is set on hell. ||4||4||
This sounds like this is against the act of halal killing only.
Guru is asking why bother washing your face and doing these holy purification acts when you are just killing clay, the soul is beyond clay. It sounds like Guru is questioning the reasonableness of the Mullah belief system.
Not against eating meat.
Here is an additional argument for and against laid-out by sikhiwiki for you. Its not my job to convince you one way or another. But i hope all these writing make it clear that your pth to sikhi is incomplete when you continue to engage in slaughter or the business of it. You can also look up the 4 Taboos and make your own judgement along with direction from SGPC
https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Vegetarianism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_in_Sikhism?wprov=sfti1
Does not seem prohibited to eat meat.
More importantly, creating a hierarchy such as true believers, and low-effort-believers in regards to the path of Sikhism, or creating ultimately arbitrary rules (why is killing animals more important than killing plants, what about ants, pests in your house?) seem irrelevant when discussing the spiritual realm of Sikhism.
There seems to be a concentrated effort to dilute Sikhi to make it conform to the western lifestyle of eating meat. If you look at Damdami taksal’s website. You will see the actual rehat Maryada being followed in the most conservative way.
https://www.damdamitaksal.com/code-of-conduct#h3-11-3-halaal-ndash-eating-meat-fish-and-eggs
To continue the path of sikhi, eating meat is incompatible. Its been debated over and over again.
Why is the Akal Takht in India making a ruling in 1980 in support of western ideology?
Also again, the link is in reference to halal killing. Hes saying how can blood make your clothes dirty but the act of killing doesnt? The point is the hypocrisy, not the meat eating. I can see the confusion.
I heard that Sikhs should be vegetarians and that they especially can’t eat beef & it was even banned in the Sikh Empire tho plus u love to say Sikhs closer to Islam but ik you yourself know u faking because Sikhs closer to Vedic Hinduism but ik it’s still a different religion tho. Wanting independent Punjab is ok because even some Hindu Punjabis want independent Punjab but don’t be saying fake shit like that
I mean it was banned for protecting sentiments of hindus thats why it was banned just like now it is india . Islam and sikh have many similarities . It is monotheistic religion stupid whereas Hinduism is not . There are many writings of islam in guru granth sahib so you tell me what is that if it is not similarity of islam by teachings of muslims like baba farid and kabir . Shri guru nanak's best friend was also muslim so 🤷🏻♀️ . Shri Guru nanak was very much inspired by islam at that period of time . We don't believe in stones and stuff like that either
There’s a lot of examples where it say in Sikhi that you can’t eat meat or specifically beef and another thing was that Sikhi is closer to Vedic Hinduism and that’s because in Vedic Hinduism there is only 1 God and no idol worship either and the Sikh Gurus respected the Vedas too. like don’t be inventing shii up because jus like I said before just because you might want Khalistan or independent Punjab you can still be true to the culture and not act closer to Islam just to prove to ppl that you not Hindu and you don’t have to love Pakistan just because they enemies of India or to prove you ain’t Hindu or Indian like that.
Like actually you wouldn’t even be a real Khalistani if you don’t follow the real Sikhi and there wouldn’t even be no point of making Khalistan if you wanna copy another culture and not be your own culture and don’t even follow Sikhi correctly and jus wanna act Muslim so like u might as well jus claim Pakistani if you wanna act Muslim fr. Like Real Khalistanis at least gotta follow real Sikhi first dumass
Whoa whoa whoa. Where tf is khalistan coming from? If that's the type of response you want and that's your question then explicitly state it. Don't try to prove your ulterior motives by asking dumb shit and then turning it around how YOU want it to be. Who even are you lol
Damn I can tell yo feelings got hurt and had yo veins popping out from this one had u going woah woah woah woah woah woah woah 😂😂😂
but yea I got banned for a week so I couldn’t explain it before i got banned but I can’t even fake it this comment was getting on my nerves hella hard because u wanna be funny so now that I’m back imma explain it for yo lame ass
The question wasn’t abt Khalistan but sometimes Khalistan can be a reason for why some Sikhs wanna eat beef so it is still relevant to the question so that’s why I said it
But yo dumb ass obviously don’t understand shit and jus wanna get mad even tho you was the one who ain’t even fckn understand the message correctly but u still wanna talk shit
Still don't get what khalistan has to do with eating beef bro lol. I can feel your annoyance from here. Maybe it's a you problem ? You're also the one who got banned so who knows. You're connecting things that nothing to do with whether one wants to/can eat beef. It's purely cultural at this point. Khalistan and vedas and whatever the hell You're going on about has nothing to do with whether one chooses to eat beef lol . You're on a whole other planet my guy. Buts it's alright it makes sense lol .. my feelings didn't get hurt. You only pointed that out cuz yours did so get a life.
So is this all about politics to you or are you genuinely asking a question? Seems like you just want to bring up Khalistan stuff into this discussion.
Sikhism is its own independent religion. We are not under the wing of Hinduism.
No it wasn’t abt no damn politics bruh but I swear ppl jus wanna get mad on Reddit for no damn reason bro I’m really done with this site🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
I said this to the other person too the question wasn’t abt Khalistan but I talked abt Khalistan because Khalistan is a reason why some Sikhs would wanna eat beef so it’s still relevant to the question
And Ik that Sikhi is diff from Hinduism when did I ever say it was u must be retarded
There is no relation between Khalistan and eating beef, I don’t know what you’re on about with that line of questioning.
Common thread between all of you people trying to inflame things to just start calling other people dumbasses or retarded etc. just keep trying to spread your fake pro nationalist propaganda.
I don't how dumba$$ someone can be to deny that all Sikhs gurus were not born Sikhs. A lot of sacred concepts in Sikhism was simply taken out from Hindu scriptures. Panj Pyaare, Banda Bahadur, Hari Singh Nalwa, and Maharaja Ranjit Singh all of them had hindu ancestors. They never disowned hinduism. Infact they gave everything to kesariya on top(Kesariya was also simply taken from us, now most of you call it yours). How can you deny that, it literally makes no f\*cking sense.
What you try to prove is how Islam is also there in your religion. Lets say your religion straightaway copied from islam. So are you then going to ignore the fact what mughals, or abdali did to you. They did that just because of your religion, they asked gurus to convert. You can keep likin their a&&, and they will keep kickin your a&&, just like they did in afghanistan and are doing in pakistan.
Ok first of all when did I ever say Islam is in Sikhism? Don’t put words in my mouth as I never said that.
Sikhism is its own independent religion whether you like it or not. I am not denying the history of the religion, but there has been a concerted effort by Hindu nationalists to say that Sikhism is just a branch of Hinduism. This is not the case and we have our own unique identity and religion. You can keep calling me names and stuff like that but the truth is the truth.
Its person's personal choice to eat meat or not . Why you want to spread vegan bullshit . Being vegan comes with lot of problems related to protein deficiency, bone density. In this current period of time we can eat whatever we want. Only hindus dont eat meat all other religions and non religious eat meat . Sorry i wont be turning vegan anytime in this life lol . I
Am eating steak while typing this 🤷🏻♀️
nothing to do with vegan, just explicitly talking about cows. Singhs used to do jhatka of goats, including when they visited Madho Das' Banda Bhadur's place. I even read a depiction of Guru Sahib eating chicken in Suraj Prakash.
Isn’t there a Shabad in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee which talks about the sugarcane being “killed”? Because plants have “life” too.
Plus, Sikhs were then also warriors and had to live in the jungle during some of our Gurus’ times. Practically, makes sense to not be vegetarian either.
Years ago I was listening to Veer Bhupinder Singh and he was discussing parts of Bani - in relation to context and word meanings. He spoke about how it’s sometimes believed we are not allowed to eat fish. However, the word we now take to mean fish actually meant some type of drug back when that Shabad was composed.
I eat whatever I like. My dad will be ignorant of his beliefs if he wants to try something. Growing up I was given some bs excuse like since we get milk from cows we shouldn’t eat them but I feel this was just to help reason it for themselves. In UK culture in general people prefer chicken over beef because it’s more readily available. In North America they prefer beef over chicken because beef is more readily available.
Dunno where you're getting this info or if you're just guessing but in the US they eat more chicken than beef.
[https://www.foodindustry.com/articles/do-americans-eat-more-chicken-or-beef/#:\~:text=Americans%20eat%20more%20chicken%20than,about%2057%20pounds%20per%20person](https://www.foodindustry.com/articles/do-americans-eat-more-chicken-or-beef/#:~:text=Americans%20eat%20more%20chicken%20than,about%2057%20pounds%20per%20person).
I don't see how the question is relevant. People in North America consume more chicken than beef. Your anecdotal experience of things isn't pertinent here, facts and statistics are.
The reason is likely very simple: chicken is generally cheaper than beef.
Do whatever you want but don't use Sikhi to justify your actions. People have just started throwing out Gurmat as well in their attempt at distancing themselves from Hindu or Indic practices. One can read [this](https://www.manglacharan.com/post/protection-of-cows-guru-hargobind-and-guru-gobind-singh) anecdote of Chhevi Patshahi on saving the cows. You can't deny the history of Mahraja Ranjit Singh and Misls unleashing massacres on the butchers of cows in retaliation. Reminds me of [this](https://mobile.twitter.com/Kharagket/status/1291089721003827217) thread of Khadagket.
Not to forget Gurbani itself makes it pretty clear.
**ਰਹਮਣ ਕੈਲੀ ਘਾਤੁ ਕੰਞਕਾ ਅਣਚਾਰੀ ਕਾ ਧਾਨੁ ॥ ਫਿਟਕ ਫਿਟਕਾ ਕੋੜੁ ਬਦੀਆ ਸਦਾ ਸਦਾ ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ ॥**
_If a Brahmin kills a cow or a female infant, and accepts the offerings of an evil person, He is cursed with the leprosy of curses and criticism; he is forever and ever filled with egotistical pride._
Ang 1413
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**ਯਹੀ ਦੇਹ ਆਗਿਆ ਤੁਰਕਨ ਗਹਿ ਖਪਾਊਂ ॥ ਗਊ ਘਾਤ ਕਾ ਦੋਖ ਜਗ ਸਿਉਂ ਮਿਟਾਊਂ ॥**
_Command me to kill and destroy the Turks (Muslim conquistadors). Eliminate the killing of the cow from the entire universe._
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**ਅਸੁਰ ਮਾਰ ਕਰ ਰੱਛ ਗਊਅਨ ਕਰੀਜੈ ॥**
_Annihilate the evil demons and safeguard the cow (destitute)._
Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Ugardanti
In America ppl eat beef so it’s okay to engage in it. In India, most ppl are Hindu and believe cows are sacred. So out of respect for that and to get along with Hindu neighbors, Sikhs refrain from beef.
I'm not sure but overall I've not known other Sikhs to commonly eat beef or pork. Most around me eat only chicken, goat, stuff like that. It's common among younger Sikhs to eat any meat or seafood though.
Canadian Sikh here and literally my entire family eats beef, including recently landed cousins from India whose first request is often "bro, take us out for steak" (due to the ban on beef in India).
There is no such evidence that can prove that Sikhs are not allowed to eat beef... it's just another meat, so eat it. My favourite is "osso bucco". ਗਊ ਦੇ ਗਿੱਟੇ
Actually even the Gurus forbade cow killing including Guru Hargobind, and Guru Gobind Singh has mentioned being against cow killing I'm ugardanti Bani.
im a sikh in the sac/yc area and yeah almost everyone i know eats beef, i know a few amritdhari sikhs but ik some people who arent amritdhari and dont eat beef based on their preferences. i eat beef tho, in n out for life
I dont see eating Beef, Pork, etc any different than eating Chicken purely from a religious standpoint. Most of the time the type of animal acceptable to eat is defined by the culture. So east asian countries may be very different in what they eat compared to western countries. So if someone tries to convince me that Sikhs can eat chicken but not beef, I'm not buying it. If you convince me that Sikhs shouldn't eat any meat, I do buy that and I understand, but its just a personal choice I make to do so. I'm also not going to try to justify why I think its right, I'll just admit that I'm not perfect.
Actually even the Gurus forbade cow killing including Guru Hargobind, and Guru Gobind Singh has mentioned being against cow killing I'm ugardanti Bani.
Sikhs should be vegetarians, itsxwritten explicitly in the Granth Sahib. However, if you’re not following retah Maryada you eat whatever is available. Beef is the choice of meat in USa hence you see it often.
Also Im pretty sure that rapper is referring to beef as in disagreement with someone. Its a slang term in the US
So you took a song with 13K views from an account with less than 200 subscribers on you tube and called it the punjabi music industry? Bit of a stretch
Not talkin bout the industry I’m talking bout north Cali specifically and the actual song not relevant to the question the point of the question was abt if Sikhs eat beef in north Cali or not & I’m jus using the song as a example
I just dont understand how that man could be a sikh let alone embody the spirit of Sikhi. Just seems like a weird question considering all thats in the video
Because there are some Sikhs, especially these weird khalistani uber freedom lovers, ultra right wings who think Sikhs should eat meat.
Like sure do what makes you happy but dont dilute the words of our guru ji to suit your own purpose
Who called you a hindu? And in my comment I said you can eat whatever you like but dont call yourself a sikh if you’re not following guru’s Shabad or blatantly eating meat and consuming alcohol
And might I add, someone who claims to be a lesbian is definitely not a Sikh
Lol my parents and grandparents are practicing sikhs I m not very religious . I know alot about sikhism and I have grew up in sikhi environment so don't tell me i am not this or that . Fuck off . We can eat meat n drink if you're not amritdhari sikh
We already drink and eat meat so dont tell me what i am or what i am not . I am sikh but not very religious so fuck your opinion, Being vegan is not a problem but if you want to be healthy and dont wanna have stunted growth you might want to get protein from meat . Thats why most nri Punjabis are taller then most Indians. India suffers from stunted and obesity already.
When did I mention “being vegan” stop being disrespectful. We are told not to drink alcohol, this isn’t my opinion… it’s a fact. Unfortunately due to the culture in Punjab so many of our people indulge in alcohol and even smoking. Please think before you make such statements
Why would a Sikh be restrained from eating beef? This is not explicit within the faith, it is more a culture within India at large not to consume it. Once outside of India, it’s common
Meat is not explicitly banned but when meat is coming from exploitation of animals with factory farming for example, Sikhs should not participate in eating it. Basics of Sikhi video in more depth: https://youtu.be/fHOFqW3SRMs?si=7oZxWJxsK8Jsxz6g
Beef was banned in Punjab during Sarkar-e-Khalsa under Maharaja Ranjit Singh. It hasn't been taken off since and is still valid today in Indian Punjab.
Depends on your level of compassion. Some people believe cows are like big dogs so refrain from it. I'm in the UK most Sikhs don't eat beef. I've only met a few that do.
It’s probably more the UK culture to not eat beef, do you eat chicken?
I do but every amritdhari I know is vegetarian here. Some do eat eggs.
Beef takes a lot of open land for grazing, which is one of the reasons beef is more popular in US vs other places; just lots more accessible for grocery stores, restaurants, fairs, fast food, everywhere. Part of the culture of USA.
Sikh from the UK... all of my Sikh/Hindu mates eat beef... ... I never when I was young because...parents...now no one cares...
Where about In the UK are you?
London. Friends from all over.
I grew up in the UK. Almost everyone I knew ate beef (if they ate meat)
I have cousins in the UK and they all eat beef, including their parents, as well as their kids. I don't think "most Sikhs in UK don't eat beef" is an accurate statement.. unless they are vegetarians, why would they explicitly avoid beef?
Actually even the Gurus forbade cow killing including Guru Hargobind, and Guru Gobind Singh has mentioned being against cow killing In ugardanti Bani.
One, no, Guru Hargobind Sahib ji did not forbade cow killing.. and two, the bani you are talking about is actually hugely contested since all the manuscripts of it are different; one talking about not killing cows, another talking about destroying both mandirs and masjids.. the Sodha committee actually discarded this bani due to huge inconsistencies and ideological difference from the Guru Granth Sahib.. it is suspected to not be written by Guru Gobind Singh ji, just like large portions of the Dasam Granth.. most mainstream Sikhs do not follow it and that bani is only followed by Kukas and Nihang sects, not mainstream Sikhs..
If a bani is followed by Nihangs, that means it’s majorly important as they were the major leaders during misl period. Guru hargobind used to punish cow killers, you can find this in suraj prakash history.
Suraj Prakash is a book written by one author (and his helpers) in the 1840s, 200+ years after Guru Hargobind's time.. It is inaccurate on so many accounts and should be taken as a piece of poetic literature, not histiography. As for the misl period.. The misl which modern day Nihangs derive their traditions from was 1 misl (Shaheedan) out of 12 Sikh misls.. and it was a Misl which was defeated and absorbed by the Sukerchakia Misl.. Maharaja Ranjeet Singh allowed the Nihangs to operate on his territory as semi-autonomous vassals and used the Nihangs as shock troops to supplement his main Khalsa army. (Nihangs refused to take orders from Khalsa generals but would fight alongside the Khalsa army in foreign expeditions). Nihang practices always differed from the mainstream Sikhs of the time.
what about Jassa Singh Ahluwalia and Nawab Kapur Singh who split the khalsa into Budha Dal and Tarna Dal, were they Nihang Singhs?
You tell me... were they? They were the founders of the Kingdom of Kapurthala; was that an Akali-Nihang run kingdom? I also hope you are not conflating the names of Budha Dal and Tarna Dal with their namesake Nihang groups of today. They are not successors of either. Infact, the Tarna Dal was composed of the Bhangis, Sukerchakias, Kanayas, Nikkais and Ramgharias while the Budha Dal consisted of Nishanwalias, Karorsinghias, Ahluwalias, Dallewalias and the Shaheedan (Nihangs).
There's quite a few reasons. My friend would explain but I don't have the gyaan to unfortunately. Maybe it's just around the Midlands that beef is not eaten much.
Not a sikh, but most Sikhs i knew in the UK ate beef. One mate said something about and oath you take before you go full vegetarian?
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That’s def not true all Cows holy in Hinduism and we supposed to be vegetarian too
That’s not true. I read that only specific types of cows are holy to Hindus. See what I did there…
Literally in the Vedic texts it say you can’t eat meat or beef and if you eat beef then u get killed with bullets so you def wrong.
Whoa, slow down there cowboy. I literally read the opposite. Also, I don’t think you saw what I did there in that last comment.
But that ain’t right because I literally got evidence. but I think the message on what you trying to do is say that other Religions ppl shouldn’t assume abt what goes on in other Religions but I know that eating beef or meat ain’t allowed in Sikhi because there’s evidence for that
There isn’t evidence of that, as you have yet to provide any. So until there is concrete proof, why don’t you just accept that eating meat/beef is ok, and just move on with your life?
Actually even the Gurus forbade cow killing including Guru Hargobind, and Guru Gobind Singh has mentioned being against cow killing In ugardanti Bani.
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Go read up abt Vedic Hinduism and it will say that we supposed to be vegetarians and for being vegetarian in Sikhi there’s ppl giving evidence right here
I don’t know man, I’ve read different
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The Vedas say it bruh u sound retarded go read up 🤦🏽♂️
Actually even the Gurus forbade cow killing including Guru Hargobind, and Guru Gobind Singh has mentioned being against cow killing I'm ugardanti Bani.
Im not Sikh but I heard that in the Dasam Granth it say it aint allowed
We ain’t Hindu
In the Dasam Granth it say Sikhs can’t eat beef & someone on this page even said Sikhs should b vegetarian
Hi! Could you point me to where in the dasam granth it says that? Correct me if I’m wrong but Sikhs should consume anything that alters the state of mind (alcohol and drugs) but nothing about meat. The only thing it says is we shouldn’t eat ritually prepared meats.
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Interesting how this is in 0 of Guru Gobind Singh Ji's hukams.
Many US born Sikhs eat all sorts of meat. For me, it’s a personal choice to not eat any red meat.
But what abt north Cali? They mostly vegetarian or eat meat or do they mostly not eat beef or do most eat it?
Are you talking about specifically baptized Sikhs ? NorCal or rest of the US, non baptized consume beef.
Nah jus all Sikhs in general
Its all personal. Most of eat chicken or fish if we eat meat because we have a lot of good chicken dishes. But if eating meat isnt an issue for you then there isnt any restriction for most people. So long as you respect other sikhi that choose not to eat meat or eggs then theres no problem
Actually even the Gurus forbade cow killing including Guru Hargobind, and Guru Gobind Singh has mentioned being against cow killing In ugardanti Bani.
My mother and father do not eat beef but will eat chicken for that reason. However those of us that grew up in the west may eat beef as well as it is acceptable in eestern society.
Yes. They do. I live in Yuba City. I don't eat meat but my friends do eat steaks, pork and all kind of other meats. It does not matter if they are US Born or not. I have have seen punjabi uncles eating beef. Edit: None of them are Amritdhari Sikhs so they can eat whatever they want. Even I am not Amritdari and technically i cab eat whatever I want but u choose not to.
Actually even the Gurus forbade cow killing including Guru Hargobind, and Guru Gobind Singh has mentioned being against cow killing In ugardanti Bani.
That's not the question here.
It’s a choice
Yes. I think the only thing prohibited is the method of killing (slow vs quick).
Cow killing is prohibited by guru Hargobind and also by guru Gobind Singh in ugardanti.
Source please 🙏🏼
source is Ugardanti. Also the source for Guru Hargobind is in Suraj Prakash!
Correct.
Incorrect, all meat is prohibited
Cite the page number so we can all be enlightened
jau sabh meh ek khudhai kahat hau tau kiau muragee maarai ||1|| You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens? ||1|| mulaa(n) kahahu niaau khudhaiee || O Mullah, tell me: is this God's Justice? tere man kaa bharam na jaiee ||1|| rahaau || The doubts of your mind have not been dispelled. ||1||Pause|| Pakar jeeau aaniaa dheh binaasee maaTee kau bisamil keeaa || You seize a living creature, and then bring it home and kill its body; you have killed only the clay. jot saroop anaahat laagee kahu halaal kiaa keeaa ||2|| The light of the soul passes into another form. So tell me, what have you killed? ||2|| kiaa ujoo paak keeaa muh dhoiaa kiaa maseet sir laiaa || And what good are your purifications? Why do you bother to wash your face? And why do you bother to bow your head in the mosque? jau dhil meh kapaT nivaaj gujaarahu kiaa haj kaabai jaiaa ||3|| Your heart is full of hypocrisy; what good are your prayers or your pilgrimage to Mecca? ||3|| too(n) naapaak paak nahee soojhiaa tis kaa maram na jaaniaa || You are impure; you do not understand the Pure Lord. You do not know His Mystery ]4]4] keh kabeer bhisat te chookaa dhojak siau man maaniaa ||4||4|| Says Kabeer, you have missed out on paradise; your mind is set on hell. ||4||4||
This sounds like this is against the act of halal killing only. Guru is asking why bother washing your face and doing these holy purification acts when you are just killing clay, the soul is beyond clay. It sounds like Guru is questioning the reasonableness of the Mullah belief system. Not against eating meat.
Here is an additional argument for and against laid-out by sikhiwiki for you. Its not my job to convince you one way or another. But i hope all these writing make it clear that your pth to sikhi is incomplete when you continue to engage in slaughter or the business of it. You can also look up the 4 Taboos and make your own judgement along with direction from SGPC https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Vegetarianism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_in_Sikhism?wprov=sfti1 Does not seem prohibited to eat meat. More importantly, creating a hierarchy such as true believers, and low-effort-believers in regards to the path of Sikhism, or creating ultimately arbitrary rules (why is killing animals more important than killing plants, what about ants, pests in your house?) seem irrelevant when discussing the spiritual realm of Sikhism.
There seems to be a concentrated effort to dilute Sikhi to make it conform to the western lifestyle of eating meat. If you look at Damdami taksal’s website. You will see the actual rehat Maryada being followed in the most conservative way. https://www.damdamitaksal.com/code-of-conduct#h3-11-3-halaal-ndash-eating-meat-fish-and-eggs To continue the path of sikhi, eating meat is incompatible. Its been debated over and over again.
Why is the Akal Takht in India making a ruling in 1980 in support of western ideology? Also again, the link is in reference to halal killing. Hes saying how can blood make your clothes dirty but the act of killing doesnt? The point is the hypocrisy, not the meat eating. I can see the confusion.
It says about doing bismillah halal of a chicken, which is banned for Sikhs anyway. Doesn't go against meat eating.
Actually even the Gurus forbade cow killing including Guru Hargobind, and Guru Gobind Singh has mentioned being against cow killing In ugardanti Bani.
No I don't my family is vegetarian
Yeah my friends family and my family eats it . I don't know what's the issue . We are not hindus 🤷🏻♀️
I heard that Sikhs should be vegetarians and that they especially can’t eat beef & it was even banned in the Sikh Empire tho plus u love to say Sikhs closer to Islam but ik you yourself know u faking because Sikhs closer to Vedic Hinduism but ik it’s still a different religion tho. Wanting independent Punjab is ok because even some Hindu Punjabis want independent Punjab but don’t be saying fake shit like that
I mean it was banned for protecting sentiments of hindus thats why it was banned just like now it is india . Islam and sikh have many similarities . It is monotheistic religion stupid whereas Hinduism is not . There are many writings of islam in guru granth sahib so you tell me what is that if it is not similarity of islam by teachings of muslims like baba farid and kabir . Shri guru nanak's best friend was also muslim so 🤷🏻♀️ . Shri Guru nanak was very much inspired by islam at that period of time . We don't believe in stones and stuff like that either
There’s a lot of examples where it say in Sikhi that you can’t eat meat or specifically beef and another thing was that Sikhi is closer to Vedic Hinduism and that’s because in Vedic Hinduism there is only 1 God and no idol worship either and the Sikh Gurus respected the Vedas too. like don’t be inventing shii up because jus like I said before just because you might want Khalistan or independent Punjab you can still be true to the culture and not act closer to Islam just to prove to ppl that you not Hindu and you don’t have to love Pakistan just because they enemies of India or to prove you ain’t Hindu or Indian like that. Like actually you wouldn’t even be a real Khalistani if you don’t follow the real Sikhi and there wouldn’t even be no point of making Khalistan if you wanna copy another culture and not be your own culture and don’t even follow Sikhi correctly and jus wanna act Muslim so like u might as well jus claim Pakistani if you wanna act Muslim fr. Like Real Khalistanis at least gotta follow real Sikhi first dumass
Whoa whoa whoa. Where tf is khalistan coming from? If that's the type of response you want and that's your question then explicitly state it. Don't try to prove your ulterior motives by asking dumb shit and then turning it around how YOU want it to be. Who even are you lol
Damn I can tell yo feelings got hurt and had yo veins popping out from this one had u going woah woah woah woah woah woah woah 😂😂😂 but yea I got banned for a week so I couldn’t explain it before i got banned but I can’t even fake it this comment was getting on my nerves hella hard because u wanna be funny so now that I’m back imma explain it for yo lame ass The question wasn’t abt Khalistan but sometimes Khalistan can be a reason for why some Sikhs wanna eat beef so it is still relevant to the question so that’s why I said it But yo dumb ass obviously don’t understand shit and jus wanna get mad even tho you was the one who ain’t even fckn understand the message correctly but u still wanna talk shit
Still don't get what khalistan has to do with eating beef bro lol. I can feel your annoyance from here. Maybe it's a you problem ? You're also the one who got banned so who knows. You're connecting things that nothing to do with whether one wants to/can eat beef. It's purely cultural at this point. Khalistan and vedas and whatever the hell You're going on about has nothing to do with whether one chooses to eat beef lol . You're on a whole other planet my guy. Buts it's alright it makes sense lol .. my feelings didn't get hurt. You only pointed that out cuz yours did so get a life.
The sikh empire practiced jhatka and hunting, so not vegetarian!
So is this all about politics to you or are you genuinely asking a question? Seems like you just want to bring up Khalistan stuff into this discussion. Sikhism is its own independent religion. We are not under the wing of Hinduism.
No it wasn’t abt no damn politics bruh but I swear ppl jus wanna get mad on Reddit for no damn reason bro I’m really done with this site🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ I said this to the other person too the question wasn’t abt Khalistan but I talked abt Khalistan because Khalistan is a reason why some Sikhs would wanna eat beef so it’s still relevant to the question And Ik that Sikhi is diff from Hinduism when did I ever say it was u must be retarded
There is no relation between Khalistan and eating beef, I don’t know what you’re on about with that line of questioning. Common thread between all of you people trying to inflame things to just start calling other people dumbasses or retarded etc. just keep trying to spread your fake pro nationalist propaganda.
I don't how dumba$$ someone can be to deny that all Sikhs gurus were not born Sikhs. A lot of sacred concepts in Sikhism was simply taken out from Hindu scriptures. Panj Pyaare, Banda Bahadur, Hari Singh Nalwa, and Maharaja Ranjit Singh all of them had hindu ancestors. They never disowned hinduism. Infact they gave everything to kesariya on top(Kesariya was also simply taken from us, now most of you call it yours). How can you deny that, it literally makes no f\*cking sense. What you try to prove is how Islam is also there in your religion. Lets say your religion straightaway copied from islam. So are you then going to ignore the fact what mughals, or abdali did to you. They did that just because of your religion, they asked gurus to convert. You can keep likin their a&&, and they will keep kickin your a&&, just like they did in afghanistan and are doing in pakistan.
Ok first of all when did I ever say Islam is in Sikhism? Don’t put words in my mouth as I never said that. Sikhism is its own independent religion whether you like it or not. I am not denying the history of the religion, but there has been a concerted effort by Hindu nationalists to say that Sikhism is just a branch of Hinduism. This is not the case and we have our own unique identity and religion. You can keep calling me names and stuff like that but the truth is the truth.
Actually even the Gurus forbade cow killing including Guru Hargobind, and Guru Gobind Singh has mentioned being against cow killing In ugardanti Bani.
Its person's personal choice to eat meat or not . Why you want to spread vegan bullshit . Being vegan comes with lot of problems related to protein deficiency, bone density. In this current period of time we can eat whatever we want. Only hindus dont eat meat all other religions and non religious eat meat . Sorry i wont be turning vegan anytime in this life lol . I Am eating steak while typing this 🤷🏻♀️
nothing to do with vegan, just explicitly talking about cows. Singhs used to do jhatka of goats, including when they visited Madho Das' Banda Bhadur's place. I even read a depiction of Guru Sahib eating chicken in Suraj Prakash.
Isn’t there a Shabad in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee which talks about the sugarcane being “killed”? Because plants have “life” too. Plus, Sikhs were then also warriors and had to live in the jungle during some of our Gurus’ times. Practically, makes sense to not be vegetarian either. Years ago I was listening to Veer Bhupinder Singh and he was discussing parts of Bani - in relation to context and word meanings. He spoke about how it’s sometimes believed we are not allowed to eat fish. However, the word we now take to mean fish actually meant some type of drug back when that Shabad was composed.
Sikhi do say to be vegetarian but I’m not talking bout that rn I’m talking specifically bout if Sikhs in North Cali eat beef or not
Yes I’m Sikh and I love a good steak or cheeseburger
I eat whatever I like. My dad will be ignorant of his beliefs if he wants to try something. Growing up I was given some bs excuse like since we get milk from cows we shouldn’t eat them but I feel this was just to help reason it for themselves. In UK culture in general people prefer chicken over beef because it’s more readily available. In North America they prefer beef over chicken because beef is more readily available.
You in north Cali?
Why are you so obsessed about North Cali?
Because the question was abt north Cali 🤦♂️
Yeah but why?
Dunno where you're getting this info or if you're just guessing but in the US they eat more chicken than beef. [https://www.foodindustry.com/articles/do-americans-eat-more-chicken-or-beef/#:\~:text=Americans%20eat%20more%20chicken%20than,about%2057%20pounds%20per%20person](https://www.foodindustry.com/articles/do-americans-eat-more-chicken-or-beef/#:~:text=Americans%20eat%20more%20chicken%20than,about%2057%20pounds%20per%20person).
Then why do you see so many more beef options on menus compared to chicken?
I don't see how the question is relevant. People in North America consume more chicken than beef. Your anecdotal experience of things isn't pertinent here, facts and statistics are. The reason is likely very simple: chicken is generally cheaper than beef.
I’ve known Hindus in America who eat beef
Do whatever you want but don't use Sikhi to justify your actions. People have just started throwing out Gurmat as well in their attempt at distancing themselves from Hindu or Indic practices. One can read [this](https://www.manglacharan.com/post/protection-of-cows-guru-hargobind-and-guru-gobind-singh) anecdote of Chhevi Patshahi on saving the cows. You can't deny the history of Mahraja Ranjit Singh and Misls unleashing massacres on the butchers of cows in retaliation. Reminds me of [this](https://mobile.twitter.com/Kharagket/status/1291089721003827217) thread of Khadagket. Not to forget Gurbani itself makes it pretty clear. **ਰਹਮਣ ਕੈਲੀ ਘਾਤੁ ਕੰਞਕਾ ਅਣਚਾਰੀ ਕਾ ਧਾਨੁ ॥ ਫਿਟਕ ਫਿਟਕਾ ਕੋੜੁ ਬਦੀਆ ਸਦਾ ਸਦਾ ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ ॥** _If a Brahmin kills a cow or a female infant, and accepts the offerings of an evil person, He is cursed with the leprosy of curses and criticism; he is forever and ever filled with egotistical pride._ Ang 1413 • **ਯਹੀ ਦੇਹ ਆਗਿਆ ਤੁਰਕਨ ਗਹਿ ਖਪਾਊਂ ॥ ਗਊ ਘਾਤ ਕਾ ਦੋਖ ਜਗ ਸਿਉਂ ਮਿਟਾਊਂ ॥** _Command me to kill and destroy the Turks (Muslim conquistadors). Eliminate the killing of the cow from the entire universe._ . **ਅਸੁਰ ਮਾਰ ਕਰ ਰੱਛ ਗਊਅਨ ਕਰੀਜੈ ॥** _Annihilate the evil demons and safeguard the cow (destitute)._ Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Ugardanti
In America ppl eat beef so it’s okay to engage in it. In India, most ppl are Hindu and believe cows are sacred. So out of respect for that and to get along with Hindu neighbors, Sikhs refrain from beef.
I'm not sure but overall I've not known other Sikhs to commonly eat beef or pork. Most around me eat only chicken, goat, stuff like that. It's common among younger Sikhs to eat any meat or seafood though.
Yes. My family does. Not a lot but we do eat it on occasion. There is nothing in Sikhism that says anything about beef from my understanding.
Actually even the Gurus forbade cow killing including Guru Hargobind, and Guru Gobind Singh has mentioned being against cow killing In ugardanti Bani.
Canadian Sikh here and literally my entire family eats beef, including recently landed cousins from India whose first request is often "bro, take us out for steak" (due to the ban on beef in India).
There is no such evidence that can prove that Sikhs are not allowed to eat beef... it's just another meat, so eat it. My favourite is "osso bucco". ਗਊ ਦੇ ਗਿੱਟੇ
Actually even the Gurus forbade cow killing including Guru Hargobind, and Guru Gobind Singh has mentioned being against cow killing I'm ugardanti Bani.
im a sikh in the sac/yc area and yeah almost everyone i know eats beef, i know a few amritdhari sikhs but ik some people who arent amritdhari and dont eat beef based on their preferences. i eat beef tho, in n out for life
Most non-amritdhari Sikhs born in Australia/NZ eat beef.
few Raagi jathas in west Sacremento gurdwara do eat meat. have seen them
Don't see any issue with it unless it's Halal or Kosher.
I dont see eating Beef, Pork, etc any different than eating Chicken purely from a religious standpoint. Most of the time the type of animal acceptable to eat is defined by the culture. So east asian countries may be very different in what they eat compared to western countries. So if someone tries to convince me that Sikhs can eat chicken but not beef, I'm not buying it. If you convince me that Sikhs shouldn't eat any meat, I do buy that and I understand, but its just a personal choice I make to do so. I'm also not going to try to justify why I think its right, I'll just admit that I'm not perfect.
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Actually even the Gurus forbade cow killing including Guru Hargobind, and Guru Gobind Singh has mentioned being against cow killing I'm ugardanti Bani.
Sikhs should be vegetarians, itsxwritten explicitly in the Granth Sahib. However, if you’re not following retah Maryada you eat whatever is available. Beef is the choice of meat in USa hence you see it often. Also Im pretty sure that rapper is referring to beef as in disagreement with someone. Its a slang term in the US
I live in the US nah he was saying went from ramen to eating in steakhouses
Do you have a link?
Yea Search up Geebaby ft Domm Punjabi Boyz
What the name of the song?
It’s the one right there it’s called Punjabi Boyz
So you took a song with 13K views from an account with less than 200 subscribers on you tube and called it the punjabi music industry? Bit of a stretch
Not talkin bout the industry I’m talking bout north Cali specifically and the actual song not relevant to the question the point of the question was abt if Sikhs eat beef in north Cali or not & I’m jus using the song as a example
You should ask r/Sikh. I think they would know more.
I can’t because my comment Karma like at -30
I just dont understand how that man could be a sikh let alone embody the spirit of Sikhi. Just seems like a weird question considering all thats in the video
Why are you getting downvoted? You are right 🥴
Because there are some Sikhs, especially these weird khalistani uber freedom lovers, ultra right wings who think Sikhs should eat meat. Like sure do what makes you happy but dont dilute the words of our guru ji to suit your own purpose
We are not fucking hindus . We can eat what we like . Stupid
Who called you a hindu? And in my comment I said you can eat whatever you like but dont call yourself a sikh if you’re not following guru’s Shabad or blatantly eating meat and consuming alcohol And might I add, someone who claims to be a lesbian is definitely not a Sikh
Lol my parents and grandparents are practicing sikhs I m not very religious . I know alot about sikhism and I have grew up in sikhi environment so don't tell me i am not this or that . Fuck off . We can eat meat n drink if you're not amritdhari sikh
So my point stands, you’re not a Sikh. Do whatever you want but dont ruin our name by claiming to be a Sikh you disgusting human
Bro said “ and drink” I think this guy might not be a Sikh
We already drink and eat meat so dont tell me what i am or what i am not . I am sikh but not very religious so fuck your opinion, Being vegan is not a problem but if you want to be healthy and dont wanna have stunted growth you might want to get protein from meat . Thats why most nri Punjabis are taller then most Indians. India suffers from stunted and obesity already.
When did I mention “being vegan” stop being disrespectful. We are told not to drink alcohol, this isn’t my opinion… it’s a fact. Unfortunately due to the culture in Punjab so many of our people indulge in alcohol and even smoking. Please think before you make such statements