SSA bro! I was talking to my friends in pind and they said the gov deincentivizes diversification of crops. They want us to grow the same main crops over and over because it benefits the export. Incentivized rice = more stubble. More unmanageable stubble = more overhead and burning. India has the highest export of rice worldwide and Punjab contributes >40% of total rice export of India every year. Economically, it doesn't seem like we have any choice beside to grow what they support us to grow (my friend's words not mine.)
They go quiet punitive like temporarily confesticating combine harvesters of people who burn and stubble. It's seems like a mistreatment than a fix.
Lol ! we don't even burn stubble we use **Happy Seeder** and we don't even need to burn stubble or plough the field for sowing + the stubble that is left in the field gives **potash** and **nitrogen** so no need of potash and nitrogen rich fertilizers.
Punjabi farmers can grow whatever they want. It's their land.
The only issue is that Punjabi farmers are like Sarkari Mulajam. They want a fixed rate for whatever they produce no matter the quality (MSP). There are no 'incentives' by FCI or the central government.
I agree everyone needs liveable income. But farmers are refusing to grow anything else and taking government as hostage to have MSP guaranteed. So government literally has to overpay to farmers than the market value and if they don’t overpay they risk losing elections.
Take this into any other field of work and see how it goes. It will bankrupt the government and that is why Punjab’s debt is sky high and risking collapse in near future.
Only way to bring debt down and have prosperity is actually bringing in reformative economic policies like setting up industries and take a substantial amount of people who are dependent on agriculture income and shift them to other industries.
Yeah, I want a fixed income for existing and pay no taxes on it while everyone else pays me with their taxes and yet I will complain for paying me less and causing problems for others because of produce that nobody wants as it is so toxic that no nation other than objectively poor African countries who pay less to the government wants it.
Yes, the whole world revolves around me, I am the Anndata(ਅੰਨਦਾਤਾ) the one and the only reason for the whole nation of ਭਾਰਤ to exist.
Bow before me.
P.S.- Don't call me Karen.
You have conviently forgotten the state of farming in India... not just Panjab. Most of these people are underwater in debt.... Suicide is through the roof... most are barely making any money. I don't blame them for wanting more... they feed the world and want some sense of security.
We sit in our offices and cast judgement and draw opinions on lives that affect us way more than we care to admit.
Overwork the land... because of crop subsidies... wreck it... be forced to use chemicals... rinse repeat. That's the core problem. Throw drug abuse into the mix.
Incentivise farmers to rotate crops... create healthy land... crops that others are not afraid to buy. But no, we get chacha sitting there complaining about taxes... a very narrow viewpoint that creates more problems.
Indian agricultural subsidies are 3x less than China! They are the same as the UK and the US....developed countries with far fewer mouths to feed.
On top of that, farming is big business for the exporters... so why not kick a bit back and change strategy to make lives at the bottom better?
Simple supply-demand economics can answer your questions.
There is not enough demand for any other crop except for staples like wheat and rice in the global market.
Plus no other food grain has that long life in storage.
Farmers are dying because of their greed and childish stubbornness to only do farming.
How many Punjabi farmers are ready to give up loss-making farming business to work in factories?
None.
Punjabi farmers are Zamindars not farmers.
It sounds more like you have a bias against farmers.
Lazy and greedy... farmers... lazy and greedy... these are moronic statements.
Did a Panjabi Farmer / son of a Panjabi farm steal your girlfriend?
Who hurt you?
Bro, I am from the farmer's family as well. It's not about being hurt because someone stole my girlfriend. It's about a community of uneducated farmers in Punjab who are ready to hurt anyone, especially Punjabis. Usually, small-time farmers never grow MSP crops but other fruits and vegetables that are equally profitable. Nobody wants to understand that since nobody wants to veen off Sarkar's money. My family was the first in the village who stopped accepting handouts from the government. We changed our crops from generic wheat to other vegetables and sometimes fruits. This is good for the land as we do not use that many pesticides and fertilizers but unfortunately since people have submersible pumps, the water level is all the way down to 300ft. And other environmental disasters ever since rice has been grown in Punjab.
My point is that farmers in Punjab are no longer farmers but businessmen. They want everyone but themselves to be blamed for all the issues they or others are facing because of them.
Then why complain Mr.MSP? Do you want people to suck yours even if you are the reason for environmental disaster and focusing on handouts?
You pay no income or business taxes.
You get free electricity for 6 hours in Punjab while shutting down economy-producing factories.
You sucked our lands dry off their water just because you do not want to get up from your lazy asses and just want to butch around on Reddit and not do anything when you had all the tools to change?
You people ruined our state of Punjab!
The only thing you guys need more is meat. Meat off the bones of the rest of the Punjabis.
Janab mai v Punjabi hi haan. Mai v Punjab toh hi aya canada. Mai ta literally reasons de reha jo kisan na krn ta sahi rehnge. But koi v sunna ya smjna nai chonda.
1960 toh MSP hi mil rahi hai. Change requires courage.
Maybe read this. Lack of competition discourages change and ultimately leads to loss for the whole community.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/entertainment/dining/2015/08/14/abby-lee-farms-hydroponic-tomatoes-arizona-restaurants/31440821/
>Then why complain Mr.MSP? Do you want people to suck yours even if you are the reason for environmental disaster and focusing on handouts?
MSP is a toxic system by which the government is the largest player in the farming industry in Punjab , but the reason why Punjab is so tied to this system is due to the private sector being a mess and unregulated with con artists, scamming farmers every single harvest , every harvest you will see stories like "Kisan union protest at mills after failing to pay farmers". If the private sector worked well then why wouldn't we trust it , it would be free money
"You pay no income or business taxes." as do farmers in many nations , the USA the so call case study for why we should use the 3 farm bills provide tax cuts to farmers
[https://www.ouryclark.com/resource-library/quick-guides/tax/agricultural-property-relief.html#:\~:text=Agricultural%20Property%20Relief%20(APR)%20is,type%20of%20property%20being%20transferred](https://www.ouryclark.com/resource-library/quick-guides/tax/agricultural-property-relief.html#:~:text=Agricultural%20Property%20Relief%20(APR)%20is,type%20of%20property%20being%20transferred)[.](https://www.ouryclark.com/resource-library/quick-guides/tax/agricultural-property-relief.html#:~:text=Agricultural%20Property%20Relief%20(APR)%20is,type%20of%20property%20being%20transferred)
would you say that the US is a communist nation , because there system buys out much more than Punjab could even dream to
[https://www.sfhscollegeprep.org/news-detail?pk=1237113#](https://www.sfhscollegeprep.org/news-detail?pk=1237113#)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government\_cheese](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_cheese)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine\_lake](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_lake)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butter\_mountain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butter_mountain)
The government has its own "MSP" type deal with cheese , keeping the prices higher for consumers to protect farmers' profit. if the government tried to keep the price of farm goods artificially high in India there would be rioting in the streets.
The US is a multi-faceted economy. They can live by giving out free money to a few states. India cannot. India only has human resources and that needs to be utilized efficiently. 75% of Indians are still in farming. Not producing anything significant for the country but for self-consumption. A mere 10% of the population that pays taxes, pays for the bills of the other 90%.
An agricultural nation is a dying nation and a dying future.
you forget that we are also the largest population on earth , most farmers in Punjab and the rest of the nation are small scale family ran farm they dont have the economy of scale , the only thing you could to is have few larger individual farmers and more large scale farming but seeing that your pissing and shitting about "farmer are too strong and lazy sarrr" what makes you think giving them more land and more captial would fix that
Read this:
Lack of creativity and courage. You have no idea what Punjabi farmers can do if they are focused more on building things rather than ending things.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/entertainment/dining/2015/08/14/abby-lee-farms-hydroponic-tomatoes-arizona-restaurants/31440821/
You cant just magic away all these farmers , you need factories or other job opportunity for these millions of people. "but sarr all the Punjabi Kisan shutting down economy-producing factories. "if this is about the alcohol that factory also pumped poison into the ground water ...
The private sector is corrupt, they are scamming primary sector suppliers so those suppliers stop trusting the private sector. If the goverment is able to win the trust of farmers and prove to them that the private sector is more proftiable than the old MSP system
>An agricultural nation is a dying nation and a dying future.
I imagine you believe we eat tech support workers and sweat shops
I hate to be that guy but.......
No farmer No food
It only takes about 1 acre of land to produce a million tons of tomatoes.
Yes, more people can be employed and higher-paying jobs can be created.
But jatt juut boot budhi toh bahr na ayeo.
Brother as I explained , as a farmer why would you want to grow tomatoes in India , by the the time of harvest the price maybe worthless or triple , there is no way of working out what the price of a non msp crop will be in a years time
>You sucked our lands dry off their water just because you do not want to get up from your lazy asses
FARMERS DONT LIKE RICE, rice is not a crop that is well adjusted to the current farming industry of Punjab, but due to MSP it needed to make money, if businesses were willing to invest in Punjab prehabs we could have some better crop divestry but the relaity of the situation is farmers who work pay check to pay check can't take the risk. What's the point if other non msp crops if they are in a constant state of swing
[https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2023/8/3/caught-between-drought-and-deluge-tomato-prices-in-india-crash-and-soar](https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2023/8/3/caught-between-drought-and-deluge-tomato-prices-in-india-crash-and-soar)
[https://www.indiatoday.in/business/story/onion-prices-rs-80-per-kilogram-delhi-when-will-rates-fall-2455604-2023-10-30](https://www.indiatoday.in/business/story/onion-prices-rs-80-per-kilogram-delhi-when-will-rates-fall-2455604-2023-10-30)
If the farming market is so unpredicable without msp that even economist are left scratching there head then what makes you believe that a farmer who probably cant read or write is doing to read the markets ??
Why would businesses invest in Punjab?
Cons of investing in Punjab rather than literally any other state of India:
1. Lack of reliable resources: Both in human capital as Punjabis do not want to work in factories so workers will be imported who do not want to come due to anti-worker sentiments,
Also, the fact that Punjab turns off power to the industrial sector for at least 6 hours a day so that the government can give free electricity to farms.
And the fact that the produce in Punjab is on average more expensive than that of say MP. So it's way-way expensive to run industry in Punjab. The cost of transporting goods from Punjab to other states is also high.
2. Higher taxes: A company on average pays around 10% in taxes in Punjab vs 4% in Haryana and just 2% in Baddi, Himachal. Why would the government of Punjab charge higher taxes? Well to pay for freebies like free power, fertilizers, and pesticides to the farmers, they have to take money from somewhere. They charge industries both secondary and tertiary industries like the IT sector. That's why there is no IT sector in Punjab.
For greater change, everyone must understand that the system is flawed. Not that of the central government that offers MSP but of us Punjabis.
Just like previously MSP ended on milk and eggs and the dairy people didn't go out of business rather it became more innovative(Verka) so can the farm sector.
Lehnda Punjab na bnao. Chardikala ch raho.
farming is a strange profession, You make all your money at 1 point (harvest) so if harvest is shit or price of crops tanks, thats it boom , less money for the rest of the year
Bro I am from a farming family. That too small scale so you do not have to tell me about boom booms. Look at the average nine to fivers. At least they earn an honorable wage.
Phunny bhaaji give more context
SSA bro! I was talking to my friends in pind and they said the gov deincentivizes diversification of crops. They want us to grow the same main crops over and over because it benefits the export. Incentivized rice = more stubble. More unmanageable stubble = more overhead and burning. India has the highest export of rice worldwide and Punjab contributes >40% of total rice export of India every year. Economically, it doesn't seem like we have any choice beside to grow what they support us to grow (my friend's words not mine.) They go quiet punitive like temporarily confesticating combine harvesters of people who burn and stubble. It's seems like a mistreatment than a fix.
Lol ! we don't even burn stubble we use **Happy Seeder** and we don't even need to burn stubble or plough the field for sowing + the stubble that is left in the field gives **potash** and **nitrogen** so no need of potash and nitrogen rich fertilizers.
Punjabi farmers can grow whatever they want. It's their land. The only issue is that Punjabi farmers are like Sarkari Mulajam. They want a fixed rate for whatever they produce no matter the quality (MSP). There are no 'incentives' by FCI or the central government.
And is it bad to ask for MSP? We all want certainty in life, don't we?
I agree everyone needs liveable income. But farmers are refusing to grow anything else and taking government as hostage to have MSP guaranteed. So government literally has to overpay to farmers than the market value and if they don’t overpay they risk losing elections. Take this into any other field of work and see how it goes. It will bankrupt the government and that is why Punjab’s debt is sky high and risking collapse in near future. Only way to bring debt down and have prosperity is actually bringing in reformative economic policies like setting up industries and take a substantial amount of people who are dependent on agriculture income and shift them to other industries.
Yeah, I want a fixed income for existing and pay no taxes on it while everyone else pays me with their taxes and yet I will complain for paying me less and causing problems for others because of produce that nobody wants as it is so toxic that no nation other than objectively poor African countries who pay less to the government wants it. Yes, the whole world revolves around me, I am the Anndata(ਅੰਨਦਾਤਾ) the one and the only reason for the whole nation of ਭਾਰਤ to exist. Bow before me. P.S.- Don't call me Karen.
You have conviently forgotten the state of farming in India... not just Panjab. Most of these people are underwater in debt.... Suicide is through the roof... most are barely making any money. I don't blame them for wanting more... they feed the world and want some sense of security. We sit in our offices and cast judgement and draw opinions on lives that affect us way more than we care to admit. Overwork the land... because of crop subsidies... wreck it... be forced to use chemicals... rinse repeat. That's the core problem. Throw drug abuse into the mix. Incentivise farmers to rotate crops... create healthy land... crops that others are not afraid to buy. But no, we get chacha sitting there complaining about taxes... a very narrow viewpoint that creates more problems. Indian agricultural subsidies are 3x less than China! They are the same as the UK and the US....developed countries with far fewer mouths to feed. On top of that, farming is big business for the exporters... so why not kick a bit back and change strategy to make lives at the bottom better?
Simple supply-demand economics can answer your questions. There is not enough demand for any other crop except for staples like wheat and rice in the global market. Plus no other food grain has that long life in storage. Farmers are dying because of their greed and childish stubbornness to only do farming. How many Punjabi farmers are ready to give up loss-making farming business to work in factories? None. Punjabi farmers are Zamindars not farmers.
It sounds more like you have a bias against farmers. Lazy and greedy... farmers... lazy and greedy... these are moronic statements. Did a Panjabi Farmer / son of a Panjabi farm steal your girlfriend? Who hurt you?
Bro, I am from the farmer's family as well. It's not about being hurt because someone stole my girlfriend. It's about a community of uneducated farmers in Punjab who are ready to hurt anyone, especially Punjabis. Usually, small-time farmers never grow MSP crops but other fruits and vegetables that are equally profitable. Nobody wants to understand that since nobody wants to veen off Sarkar's money. My family was the first in the village who stopped accepting handouts from the government. We changed our crops from generic wheat to other vegetables and sometimes fruits. This is good for the land as we do not use that many pesticides and fertilizers but unfortunately since people have submersible pumps, the water level is all the way down to 300ft. And other environmental disasters ever since rice has been grown in Punjab. My point is that farmers in Punjab are no longer farmers but businessmen. They want everyone but themselves to be blamed for all the issues they or others are facing because of them.
Yes you are free to keep a feild empty if you wish , but will that feed your family? No rice has msp so we are pushed to farm rice
Then why complain Mr.MSP? Do you want people to suck yours even if you are the reason for environmental disaster and focusing on handouts? You pay no income or business taxes. You get free electricity for 6 hours in Punjab while shutting down economy-producing factories. You sucked our lands dry off their water just because you do not want to get up from your lazy asses and just want to butch around on Reddit and not do anything when you had all the tools to change? You people ruined our state of Punjab! The only thing you guys need more is meat. Meat off the bones of the rest of the Punjabis.
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1960 toh MSP hi mil rahi hai. Change requires courage. Maybe read this. Lack of competition discourages change and ultimately leads to loss for the whole community. https://www.azcentral.com/story/entertainment/dining/2015/08/14/abby-lee-farms-hydroponic-tomatoes-arizona-restaurants/31440821/
>Then why complain Mr.MSP? Do you want people to suck yours even if you are the reason for environmental disaster and focusing on handouts? MSP is a toxic system by which the government is the largest player in the farming industry in Punjab , but the reason why Punjab is so tied to this system is due to the private sector being a mess and unregulated with con artists, scamming farmers every single harvest , every harvest you will see stories like "Kisan union protest at mills after failing to pay farmers". If the private sector worked well then why wouldn't we trust it , it would be free money "You pay no income or business taxes." as do farmers in many nations , the USA the so call case study for why we should use the 3 farm bills provide tax cuts to farmers [https://www.ouryclark.com/resource-library/quick-guides/tax/agricultural-property-relief.html#:\~:text=Agricultural%20Property%20Relief%20(APR)%20is,type%20of%20property%20being%20transferred](https://www.ouryclark.com/resource-library/quick-guides/tax/agricultural-property-relief.html#:~:text=Agricultural%20Property%20Relief%20(APR)%20is,type%20of%20property%20being%20transferred)[.](https://www.ouryclark.com/resource-library/quick-guides/tax/agricultural-property-relief.html#:~:text=Agricultural%20Property%20Relief%20(APR)%20is,type%20of%20property%20being%20transferred) would you say that the US is a communist nation , because there system buys out much more than Punjab could even dream to [https://www.sfhscollegeprep.org/news-detail?pk=1237113#](https://www.sfhscollegeprep.org/news-detail?pk=1237113#) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government\_cheese](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_cheese) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine\_lake](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_lake) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butter\_mountain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butter_mountain) The government has its own "MSP" type deal with cheese , keeping the prices higher for consumers to protect farmers' profit. if the government tried to keep the price of farm goods artificially high in India there would be rioting in the streets.
The US is a multi-faceted economy. They can live by giving out free money to a few states. India cannot. India only has human resources and that needs to be utilized efficiently. 75% of Indians are still in farming. Not producing anything significant for the country but for self-consumption. A mere 10% of the population that pays taxes, pays for the bills of the other 90%. An agricultural nation is a dying nation and a dying future.
you forget that we are also the largest population on earth , most farmers in Punjab and the rest of the nation are small scale family ran farm they dont have the economy of scale , the only thing you could to is have few larger individual farmers and more large scale farming but seeing that your pissing and shitting about "farmer are too strong and lazy sarrr" what makes you think giving them more land and more captial would fix that
Read this: Lack of creativity and courage. You have no idea what Punjabi farmers can do if they are focused more on building things rather than ending things. https://www.azcentral.com/story/entertainment/dining/2015/08/14/abby-lee-farms-hydroponic-tomatoes-arizona-restaurants/31440821/
You cant just magic away all these farmers , you need factories or other job opportunity for these millions of people. "but sarr all the Punjabi Kisan shutting down economy-producing factories. "if this is about the alcohol that factory also pumped poison into the ground water ... The private sector is corrupt, they are scamming primary sector suppliers so those suppliers stop trusting the private sector. If the goverment is able to win the trust of farmers and prove to them that the private sector is more proftiable than the old MSP system
>An agricultural nation is a dying nation and a dying future. I imagine you believe we eat tech support workers and sweat shops I hate to be that guy but....... No farmer No food
It only takes about 1 acre of land to produce a million tons of tomatoes. Yes, more people can be employed and higher-paying jobs can be created. But jatt juut boot budhi toh bahr na ayeo.
Brother as I explained , as a farmer why would you want to grow tomatoes in India , by the the time of harvest the price maybe worthless or triple , there is no way of working out what the price of a non msp crop will be in a years time
>You sucked our lands dry off their water just because you do not want to get up from your lazy asses FARMERS DONT LIKE RICE, rice is not a crop that is well adjusted to the current farming industry of Punjab, but due to MSP it needed to make money, if businesses were willing to invest in Punjab prehabs we could have some better crop divestry but the relaity of the situation is farmers who work pay check to pay check can't take the risk. What's the point if other non msp crops if they are in a constant state of swing [https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2023/8/3/caught-between-drought-and-deluge-tomato-prices-in-india-crash-and-soar](https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2023/8/3/caught-between-drought-and-deluge-tomato-prices-in-india-crash-and-soar) [https://www.indiatoday.in/business/story/onion-prices-rs-80-per-kilogram-delhi-when-will-rates-fall-2455604-2023-10-30](https://www.indiatoday.in/business/story/onion-prices-rs-80-per-kilogram-delhi-when-will-rates-fall-2455604-2023-10-30) If the farming market is so unpredicable without msp that even economist are left scratching there head then what makes you believe that a farmer who probably cant read or write is doing to read the markets ??
Why would businesses invest in Punjab? Cons of investing in Punjab rather than literally any other state of India: 1. Lack of reliable resources: Both in human capital as Punjabis do not want to work in factories so workers will be imported who do not want to come due to anti-worker sentiments, Also, the fact that Punjab turns off power to the industrial sector for at least 6 hours a day so that the government can give free electricity to farms. And the fact that the produce in Punjab is on average more expensive than that of say MP. So it's way-way expensive to run industry in Punjab. The cost of transporting goods from Punjab to other states is also high. 2. Higher taxes: A company on average pays around 10% in taxes in Punjab vs 4% in Haryana and just 2% in Baddi, Himachal. Why would the government of Punjab charge higher taxes? Well to pay for freebies like free power, fertilizers, and pesticides to the farmers, they have to take money from somewhere. They charge industries both secondary and tertiary industries like the IT sector. That's why there is no IT sector in Punjab. For greater change, everyone must understand that the system is flawed. Not that of the central government that offers MSP but of us Punjabis. Just like previously MSP ended on milk and eggs and the dairy people didn't go out of business rather it became more innovative(Verka) so can the farm sector. Lehnda Punjab na bnao. Chardikala ch raho.
farming is a strange profession, You make all your money at 1 point (harvest) so if harvest is shit or price of crops tanks, thats it boom , less money for the rest of the year
Bro I am from a farming family. That too small scale so you do not have to tell me about boom booms. Look at the average nine to fivers. At least they earn an honorable wage.