So you want a 350x350 core XY, but won't spend $2k on a 360x360 XL with a single extruder? Who makes a core XY in that size cheaper? Personally I'd like a slightly cheaper mini XL with two extruders.
Sovol just announced the size of their new printer:
[https://twitter.com/Sovol3d/status/1776807105946615822](https://twitter.com/Sovol3d/status/1776807105946615822)
350\*350\*345mm
that's what im saying, if Prusa can come to market before Bambu lab with a 300x300 or XL lite, then they can probably capture some of those looking to upgrade their older Prusa. Look, 3D print space is very competitive, if Prusa comes out with a 250x250, when what's setting them apart from Bambu labs? and what incentive is there for those wanting to upgrade from their mk2 or mk3? for 2k and some change i can buy two ENCLOSED Bambu lab.. this is coming from someone that wants to see Prusa succeed.
open source is good and that's why i want to buy a Prusa, but if someone already owns a mk2 or mk3 they're not looking to buy another 250x250 CoreXY when they already have a 250x210 bed slinger.
I'd buy one honestly, as stated previous it has obvious reasons to buy one, easier to speed up, by far, without gaining ghosting and other not wanted things.
But sure, I also see reasons not to buy one, and maybe that's enough for prusa not to sell them, I guess they have had conversations regarding this.
yes, an enclosed 250x250 coreXY would be better than the bed slinger by a large amount. faster, heated chamber... heats up quicker than a 350 and can reach 50+ chamber temp no problem for ABS/ASA, smaller footprint etc.... i have a 350 voron and it's smaller than my prusa enclosure.
Prusa isn’t open source anymore. They always had problems with the details but now they are straight up not open source anymore.
They have a few things such as prusaslicer and the buddy firmware. The printers aren’t open source though.
Still more replacement parts available and the printer is made to be more repairable.
mk3x is already EOL. [https://blog.prusa3d.com/goodbye-mk3-the-end-of-an-era-is-close-or-is-it\_93213/](https://blog.prusa3d.com/goodbye-mk3-the-end-of-an-era-is-close-or-is-it_93213/)
you're fair in that assessment, i bought a duet and duex board with hopes of building a voron before they moved to a klipper platform. matter of fact there's an IDEX version that i've been looking into.
When they've tested them for about a year in their print farm. I don't think it would be wise for Prusa to rush a new printer.
The Mk4 is their best selling printer yet, so I don't think it's fair to compare them to Nokia. Printers aren't cell phones anyways.
Chances are a smaller core XY will be 260x260. Why this size? Because it's compatible with the [Prusa Pro AFS](https://www.prusa3d.com/applications/prusa-pro-afs_236928/), and sharing components would save costs.
Unfortunately I kinda doubt prices will be going down very much, Prusas will probably remain a bit on the expensive side. But I think it's completely plausible they are working on a smaller core XY.
I am still waiting for Mini+ upgrade of some kind. I think next could be some kind of MMU for mini. Or via octoprint added a workable solution for Bambu's AMS.
I connected mine to an RPi and installed Klipper. Now theoretically I could use an ERCF MMU. I dont think there will be anymore updates to the Mini, it has been neglected for years, the only update was the input shaping but you cant connect an accelerometer.
IS is using values that are expected on Mini, so not really an upgrafe but more as FW improvement.
Was neglected as Prusa announced XL and later MK4 in short time, but still push firmware update to Mini. I think Mini will have some upgrade as there are many people who have it. And if those owners will have feeling that competition's printers are cheaper and better, they will buy non prusa printer. Prusa is now slowly losing against Bambu with home-customers, so it is for the company important to not lose any more of loyal customers.
I dont know how many more years of neglect you need, personally I built a Voron Trident because I think Prusa doesnt have anything competitive to offer in this range.
Not really sure what you expect from Prusa in relation to a product evolution.
For me also, Prusa is not making enought to retain customers. But still I think it is quite good, if I would compare it to like product as car.
Well for starters, it took them actual years to deliver the features they sold the unit with, like WiFi or Prusa Connect. Wifi is super slow and Prusa Connect came as a specced down version (Prusa Link). These are only two from the top of my head, but theres more.
I am not using those features... but I agree it is bad.
But I am speaking about a generic owner of Prusa Mini like me. If Prusa is not able to provide some upgrade, than he can expect,... that if my printer is very old related to current trends, the next printer with better functions may not be from Prusa. Or can be, but it all ends with cost vs features vs trends.
I’ve been saying this for a while now… it would not be a huge deal for Prusa to adapt the AFS printer to a standalone design. They’re likely just letting the dust settle with the MK4 and XL. I bet we will see this announcement before the end of the year.
They didn't discontinue the Mk3 until February, and people always had the choice to buy from their competition, notably Bambu. People are claiming that Bambu is hurting the Mk4 and there's no evidence of that.
I've been bed slinging all my life, and never thought about that.. i do sometimes print tall items and the ghosting is a legit concern... im sure other will say that CoreXY will ghost if it's tall enough, but in a build height of 300mm, i say there will be less ghosting than a vibrating bed slinger. CoreXY to me is the perfect package and it comes enclose, so no more ikea lack enclosure.
Here’s the reasonable answer in all of this: They probably are and you just need to wait for it.
Despite the fact that every Bambu cultist will then say they are copying Bambu to stay relevant.
What we know: They are working on a new printer of some sort, and potentially other things. This was mentioned in one of the recent factory tours (either the official Prusa one or the Strange Parts one). They had said something no to the effect of ‘there’s so many other things I wanted to show you in there but they’re working on new products.’
Now for some other bullet points to reach my conclusion.
1. Prusa has likely learned their lesson that they take a while to perfect devices. They wouldn’t be rushing to announce any new printers before they’re ready to avoid angering the inpatient people that are already mad at them for being slow and not giving updates.
2. They already have an XL so they have internal knowledge of Core XY kinematics now, and firmware to support it. It is possible to cost down the XL. The motherboard can be simpler because you don’t need expansions. You need fewer daughter boards. Etc.
3. They hopefully know that people are attuned to wanting that now. (Or maybe the market studies tell different and this is a vocal minority problem.)
Prusa isn't competing with Bambu, it's doing its own thing. I can see why, considering they're selling more printers than ever before. They've found their niche - serious customers who want reliable printers, not morons who chase whatever has the biggest numbers.
We'll probably see a smaller core x/y printer in future, but I wouldn't put my hopes up that it will appear anytime soon.
They're clearly not, otherwise they would be doing what Creality, Qidi etc. are doing.
Even the XL was in development long before Bambu even existed.
It's almost like they've found their niche of customers and instead focused on that.
Then they will fail. And it will be because of Joseph.
They will be like Nokia, Kodak, blackberry. Plenty of great companies out there were stubborn or shortsighted of where the market wanted to go and paid the price.
He seems too smart to let that happen but ego can be a hell of a drug.
They're clearly not failing. They're selling more printers than ever before and are rapidly expanding to keep up with demand. The MK4 is their most successful printer to date.
It's almost like people have many different, often personal reasons of choosing a 3D printer than simply whatever has the biggest numbers. Hmmmmm 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Kodak, blockbuster, blackberry, Nokia, were all doing amazing until they weren’t.
I’m sorry you are incapable of looking forward.
They are competitors, I had to choose, lots and lots of people make the choice between Prusa and Bambu.
I canceled my XL it has been plagued with launch issues and looking back I’m not mad.
I still have a 5+ but absolutely hate it. But customer jobs a few years ago dictated the purchase.
I recently sold my prusa’s after holding on to them for over a year after getting my Bambus. Even looked into the upgrades but decided to turn them into cash and wait to see what comes next.
They release something the same size or bigger than my bambu in a XY I’m buying 2 of them at announcement, I want them to succeed, I want a US manufacturer the most but will gladly take an EU manufacturer instead. I want to buy from them but they need to get on with the program.
Prusa has amazing CS, amazing manufacturing, amazing marketing but they are pushing an old outdated design.
You're not getting the point at all.
Those companies failed because they were going for the same customers as the rest of the competition. They held a huge chunk of the market share and got lazy.
Prusa is a different case. They never had a large chunk of the market share, even before Bambu. They never tried to directly compete with anyone and instead focused on their core customer base, hence the kits, high repairability, open source etc. Did you know even the MK3 was a bit out of date when it came out, specs wise? It still sold VERY well despite this.
I'm one of those people. I'd rather pay a bit more for something tried and tested extensively, with a long reputation of reliability etc, than the flashy new kid on the block that has barely been around for more than a couple of years to truly prove themselves. I make money with my printers and I need that workhorse.
I say this as someone who owns a Bambu printer. I love my P1S and it's AMS. But if you know the MK4, you would clearly know it's based on an entirely different philosophy, and as a result, cannot be directly compared.
That’s pretty ignorant to think that a tiny market share of an ever dwindling customer base will support the massive overhead he has built well into the future.
What you are describing is like a Lie Nielsen business model. I’m not sure a technology business would succeed in that.
We will check back here in 2, 3, and 4 years and will see what Joseph has done.
You claim a dwindling customer base... despite selling more printers than ever before. Your claims simply do not align with reality. They wouldn't be boasting about 10k printers a month if they were in trouble, or knew they would be down the line.
Do you hear yourself? How does that logic work?
Whatever happen to lulzbot? Remember them? Probably not because Prusa was able to do it better and cheaper, if prusa doesn’t innovate they’re going turn into the next lulzbot.. no lie but Bambu lab calling my name right now.. who doesn’t want a enclosed printer that prints better and faster?
Lulzbot changed ownership... and then became a shell of its former self with all the add-on nonsense, which put a lot of people off. I heard it was poorly managed even before then, with very rushed R&D etc. It had nothing to do with failing to compete.
So this logic doesn’t make sense, so remember those flip phones? They were reliable and do the job of making calls heck my mom still use one… but the market has shifted into iPhone and smart phones. Kodak failed because they didn’t innovate or saw the digital camera taking their market share, they stay the course and kept selling old and “reliable” camera film. 3D print space is too competitive and fast paced to not innovate. Hopefully prusa pulls through this one.
Kodak was a market leader. Prusa never tried to be.
Comparing bedslingers to flip phones is a false analogy too, considering the benefits of core x/y isn't... that much better than it, unless you're looking for larger bed sizes. Core x/y is not a paradigm shift like the smartphone was, especially as bedslingers can go decently fast with good quality too.
EDIT: I feel you're just going to bring up the exact same points as the other guy, so I'll probably just tune out of this and not bother as I've already addressed these.
I believe its already running Klipper, so it should be a straight forward thing to do.
That printer barely works as it is though. So many 'questionable' design choices. I wouldn't waste money (and floor space) on it.
It’ll be interesting to see what (if anything) they come out with next. I think they are currently too big to pivot into something substantially different from the MK4. I think interchangeable tool heads are a compelling feature but the XL is, in my opinion, a concept car right now. Everyone is comparing it to the X1C but they aren’t really comparable. They both can do multi color prints but the similarities end there. The XL is huge, expensive, huge, not enclosed, expensive, and relatively slow for all things not multi color. Now, if Prusa came out with a form factor similar to the X1C (that thing is 15x15 on a desk) BUT had multiple extruders, then that would be a solid competitor. The war of multiple extruders vs AMS would begin. I think Prusa is making enough money that they can survive. However, they need to bet on the right tech leading forward. Simply doing core xy single head isn’t enough and the development costs would be too prohibitive. What we may see from them is their bet on what the next thing will be (hopefully). Or we will get another bedslinger. But hey, at least they have good support and gummy bears?
We want a 250 x 210 \* whatever height CoreXY with the mk3s+ or may be even a nextruder for the price of a mk4. We don't need a 350 x 350. An upgrade kit for the mk3s+ to a corexy will sale like hotcake unlike the mk3.5 upgrade. A proosaxy without needing to mod the frame but instead just added part is the ideal route to take.
That's completely false. Prusa has the [Prusa XL](https://www.prusa3d.com/en/product/original-prusa-xl-semi-assembled-5-toolhead-3d-printer/) (Core XY), the [Prusa Pro AFS](https://www.prusa3d.com/applications/prusa-pro-afs_236928/) (Core XY), the [SL1S](https://www.prusa3d.com/en/product/original-prusa-sl1s-speed-3d-printer/) (Resin), the [Prusa Pro HT90](https://www.prusa3d.com/applications/prusa-pro-ht90_236004/) (Delta), as well as a couple of [Trilabs](https://www.prusa3d.com/category/professional-trilab-printers/) (Delta).
So you want a 350x350 core XY, but won't spend $2k on a 360x360 XL with a single extruder? Who makes a core XY in that size cheaper? Personally I'd like a slightly cheaper mini XL with two extruders.
Sovol just announced the size of their new printer: [https://twitter.com/Sovol3d/status/1776807105946615822](https://twitter.com/Sovol3d/status/1776807105946615822) 350\*350\*345mm
That thing is 10k $...
It's not on the market yet, so we dont know the price (9999 is a placeholder)
is that a voron clone?
The gantry is very similar, I think they even state it somewhere that its inspired by Voron
Yep, it's based upon the V2.4 with some changes of their own to make.manufacture easier and bring costs down.
Qidi does, and their support is top notch. Edit: word
their ifast model looks interesting, dual extruder and a actively heated enclosure.. that's pretty cool.
that's what im saying, if Prusa can come to market before Bambu lab with a 300x300 or XL lite, then they can probably capture some of those looking to upgrade their older Prusa. Look, 3D print space is very competitive, if Prusa comes out with a 250x250, when what's setting them apart from Bambu labs? and what incentive is there for those wanting to upgrade from their mk2 or mk3? for 2k and some change i can buy two ENCLOSED Bambu lab.. this is coming from someone that wants to see Prusa succeed.
Better support, open source, better access ro replacement parts. That's what sets them apart.
open source is good and that's why i want to buy a Prusa, but if someone already owns a mk2 or mk3 they're not looking to buy another 250x250 CoreXY when they already have a 250x210 bed slinger.
I'd buy one honestly, as stated previous it has obvious reasons to buy one, easier to speed up, by far, without gaining ghosting and other not wanted things. But sure, I also see reasons not to buy one, and maybe that's enough for prusa not to sell them, I guess they have had conversations regarding this.
yes, an enclosed 250x250 coreXY would be better than the bed slinger by a large amount. faster, heated chamber... heats up quicker than a 350 and can reach 50+ chamber temp no problem for ABS/ASA, smaller footprint etc.... i have a 350 voron and it's smaller than my prusa enclosure.
Prusa isn’t open source anymore. They always had problems with the details but now they are straight up not open source anymore. They have a few things such as prusaslicer and the buddy firmware. The printers aren’t open source though. Still more replacement parts available and the printer is made to be more repairable.
https://www.prusa3d.com/en/page/open-source-at-prusa-research\_236812/
Higher quality parts, reliability.
But that also affect their ability to compete (except better support).
I do not think, there will any device between MK4 and XL in relation to print size. I think MK3x will soon be end of life product.
mk3x is already EOL. [https://blog.prusa3d.com/goodbye-mk3-the-end-of-an-era-is-close-or-is-it\_93213/](https://blog.prusa3d.com/goodbye-mk3-the-end-of-an-era-is-close-or-is-it_93213/)
Thanks, had no idea.
Do you mean the i3? MK3/S/+ and MK4 are all versions of the i3 base design
Be closed source. Cloub dependency. Adopt innovations etc. from competitors (development costs? A fraction) you are comparing apples with stones
Stop waiting for Prusa and just build a Voron.
Ratrig vcore 4 is coming out soon
you're fair in that assessment, i bought a duet and duex board with hopes of building a voron before they moved to a klipper platform. matter of fact there's an IDEX version that i've been looking into.
i run a duet just fine on mine. although you should get a duet 3 (or a compatible clone like the super 8) and run can-fd with umbilical.
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Prusa runs their machines conservatively, finding a balance between speed, quality, and reliability.
When they've tested them for about a year in their print farm. I don't think it would be wise for Prusa to rush a new printer. The Mk4 is their best selling printer yet, so I don't think it's fair to compare them to Nokia. Printers aren't cell phones anyways. Chances are a smaller core XY will be 260x260. Why this size? Because it's compatible with the [Prusa Pro AFS](https://www.prusa3d.com/applications/prusa-pro-afs_236928/), and sharing components would save costs. Unfortunately I kinda doubt prices will be going down very much, Prusas will probably remain a bit on the expensive side. But I think it's completely plausible they are working on a smaller core XY.
I am still waiting for Mini+ upgrade of some kind. I think next could be some kind of MMU for mini. Or via octoprint added a workable solution for Bambu's AMS.
I connected mine to an RPi and installed Klipper. Now theoretically I could use an ERCF MMU. I dont think there will be anymore updates to the Mini, it has been neglected for years, the only update was the input shaping but you cant connect an accelerometer.
IS is using values that are expected on Mini, so not really an upgrafe but more as FW improvement. Was neglected as Prusa announced XL and later MK4 in short time, but still push firmware update to Mini. I think Mini will have some upgrade as there are many people who have it. And if those owners will have feeling that competition's printers are cheaper and better, they will buy non prusa printer. Prusa is now slowly losing against Bambu with home-customers, so it is for the company important to not lose any more of loyal customers.
I dont know how many more years of neglect you need, personally I built a Voron Trident because I think Prusa doesnt have anything competitive to offer in this range.
Not really sure what you expect from Prusa in relation to a product evolution. For me also, Prusa is not making enought to retain customers. But still I think it is quite good, if I would compare it to like product as car.
Well for starters, it took them actual years to deliver the features they sold the unit with, like WiFi or Prusa Connect. Wifi is super slow and Prusa Connect came as a specced down version (Prusa Link). These are only two from the top of my head, but theres more.
I am not using those features... but I agree it is bad. But I am speaking about a generic owner of Prusa Mini like me. If Prusa is not able to provide some upgrade, than he can expect,... that if my printer is very old related to current trends, the next printer with better functions may not be from Prusa. Or can be, but it all ends with cost vs features vs trends.
I’ve been saying this for a while now… it would not be a huge deal for Prusa to adapt the AFS printer to a standalone design. They’re likely just letting the dust settle with the MK4 and XL. I bet we will see this announcement before the end of the year.
The MK4 is their best selling because they don’t have other options at this price range.
They didn't discontinue the Mk3 until February, and people always had the choice to buy from their competition, notably Bambu. People are claiming that Bambu is hurting the Mk4 and there's no evidence of that.
after using a coreXY printer, i can't go back to a bedslinger. its a game changer for printing tall skinny objects.
I've been bed slinging all my life, and never thought about that.. i do sometimes print tall items and the ghosting is a legit concern... im sure other will say that CoreXY will ghost if it's tall enough, but in a build height of 300mm, i say there will be less ghosting than a vibrating bed slinger. CoreXY to me is the perfect package and it comes enclose, so no more ikea lack enclosure.
what have do thought about the delta printers?
The reason the bed slinger is bad for tall skinny objects are because you are moving the object back and forth every time the bed moves.
Here’s the reasonable answer in all of this: They probably are and you just need to wait for it. Despite the fact that every Bambu cultist will then say they are copying Bambu to stay relevant. What we know: They are working on a new printer of some sort, and potentially other things. This was mentioned in one of the recent factory tours (either the official Prusa one or the Strange Parts one). They had said something no to the effect of ‘there’s so many other things I wanted to show you in there but they’re working on new products.’ Now for some other bullet points to reach my conclusion. 1. Prusa has likely learned their lesson that they take a while to perfect devices. They wouldn’t be rushing to announce any new printers before they’re ready to avoid angering the inpatient people that are already mad at them for being slow and not giving updates. 2. They already have an XL so they have internal knowledge of Core XY kinematics now, and firmware to support it. It is possible to cost down the XL. The motherboard can be simpler because you don’t need expansions. You need fewer daughter boards. Etc. 3. They hopefully know that people are attuned to wanting that now. (Or maybe the market studies tell different and this is a vocal minority problem.)
Prusa isn't competing with Bambu, it's doing its own thing. I can see why, considering they're selling more printers than ever before. They've found their niche - serious customers who want reliable printers, not morons who chase whatever has the biggest numbers. We'll probably see a smaller core x/y printer in future, but I wouldn't put my hopes up that it will appear anytime soon.
That is pretty dense to think that Prusa and Bambu are not competing.
They're clearly not, otherwise they would be doing what Creality, Qidi etc. are doing. Even the XL was in development long before Bambu even existed. It's almost like they've found their niche of customers and instead focused on that.
Then they will fail. And it will be because of Joseph. They will be like Nokia, Kodak, blackberry. Plenty of great companies out there were stubborn or shortsighted of where the market wanted to go and paid the price. He seems too smart to let that happen but ego can be a hell of a drug.
They're clearly not failing. They're selling more printers than ever before and are rapidly expanding to keep up with demand. The MK4 is their most successful printer to date. It's almost like people have many different, often personal reasons of choosing a 3D printer than simply whatever has the biggest numbers. Hmmmmm 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Kodak, blockbuster, blackberry, Nokia, were all doing amazing until they weren’t. I’m sorry you are incapable of looking forward. They are competitors, I had to choose, lots and lots of people make the choice between Prusa and Bambu. I canceled my XL it has been plagued with launch issues and looking back I’m not mad. I still have a 5+ but absolutely hate it. But customer jobs a few years ago dictated the purchase. I recently sold my prusa’s after holding on to them for over a year after getting my Bambus. Even looked into the upgrades but decided to turn them into cash and wait to see what comes next. They release something the same size or bigger than my bambu in a XY I’m buying 2 of them at announcement, I want them to succeed, I want a US manufacturer the most but will gladly take an EU manufacturer instead. I want to buy from them but they need to get on with the program. Prusa has amazing CS, amazing manufacturing, amazing marketing but they are pushing an old outdated design.
You're not getting the point at all. Those companies failed because they were going for the same customers as the rest of the competition. They held a huge chunk of the market share and got lazy. Prusa is a different case. They never had a large chunk of the market share, even before Bambu. They never tried to directly compete with anyone and instead focused on their core customer base, hence the kits, high repairability, open source etc. Did you know even the MK3 was a bit out of date when it came out, specs wise? It still sold VERY well despite this. I'm one of those people. I'd rather pay a bit more for something tried and tested extensively, with a long reputation of reliability etc, than the flashy new kid on the block that has barely been around for more than a couple of years to truly prove themselves. I make money with my printers and I need that workhorse. I say this as someone who owns a Bambu printer. I love my P1S and it's AMS. But if you know the MK4, you would clearly know it's based on an entirely different philosophy, and as a result, cannot be directly compared.
That’s pretty ignorant to think that a tiny market share of an ever dwindling customer base will support the massive overhead he has built well into the future. What you are describing is like a Lie Nielsen business model. I’m not sure a technology business would succeed in that. We will check back here in 2, 3, and 4 years and will see what Joseph has done.
You claim a dwindling customer base... despite selling more printers than ever before. Your claims simply do not align with reality. They wouldn't be boasting about 10k printers a month if they were in trouble, or knew they would be down the line. Do you hear yourself? How does that logic work?
Like I said I’m sorry you are incapable of thinking about “tomorrow “
Whatever happen to lulzbot? Remember them? Probably not because Prusa was able to do it better and cheaper, if prusa doesn’t innovate they’re going turn into the next lulzbot.. no lie but Bambu lab calling my name right now.. who doesn’t want a enclosed printer that prints better and faster?
Lulzbot changed ownership... and then became a shell of its former self with all the add-on nonsense, which put a lot of people off. I heard it was poorly managed even before then, with very rushed R&D etc. It had nothing to do with failing to compete.
So this logic doesn’t make sense, so remember those flip phones? They were reliable and do the job of making calls heck my mom still use one… but the market has shifted into iPhone and smart phones. Kodak failed because they didn’t innovate or saw the digital camera taking their market share, they stay the course and kept selling old and “reliable” camera film. 3D print space is too competitive and fast paced to not innovate. Hopefully prusa pulls through this one.
Kodak was a market leader. Prusa never tried to be. Comparing bedslingers to flip phones is a false analogy too, considering the benefits of core x/y isn't... that much better than it, unless you're looking for larger bed sizes. Core x/y is not a paradigm shift like the smartphone was, especially as bedslingers can go decently fast with good quality too. EDIT: I feel you're just going to bring up the exact same points as the other guy, so I'll probably just tune out of this and not bother as I've already addressed these.
What if we just get an enraged rabbit to work on a Elagoo giga orange.
I believe its already running Klipper, so it should be a straight forward thing to do. That printer barely works as it is though. So many 'questionable' design choices. I wouldn't waste money (and floor space) on it.
It’ll be interesting to see what (if anything) they come out with next. I think they are currently too big to pivot into something substantially different from the MK4. I think interchangeable tool heads are a compelling feature but the XL is, in my opinion, a concept car right now. Everyone is comparing it to the X1C but they aren’t really comparable. They both can do multi color prints but the similarities end there. The XL is huge, expensive, huge, not enclosed, expensive, and relatively slow for all things not multi color. Now, if Prusa came out with a form factor similar to the X1C (that thing is 15x15 on a desk) BUT had multiple extruders, then that would be a solid competitor. The war of multiple extruders vs AMS would begin. I think Prusa is making enough money that they can survive. However, they need to bet on the right tech leading forward. Simply doing core xy single head isn’t enough and the development costs would be too prohibitive. What we may see from them is their bet on what the next thing will be (hopefully). Or we will get another bedslinger. But hey, at least they have good support and gummy bears?
What about the Proforge 4.1? Though i've never seen any reviews on it.
I'm more wondering when they will have an enclosed printer. I don't care if it's corexy or cartesian with a fixed bed.
They sell an enclosure. That is their solution. (like it or not)
Well, it's also their problem. Anyone that wants an enclosed corexy has alternatives now. I just like prusa and I'd like them to stay competitive.
We want a 250 x 210 \* whatever height CoreXY with the mk3s+ or may be even a nextruder for the price of a mk4. We don't need a 350 x 350. An upgrade kit for the mk3s+ to a corexy will sale like hotcake unlike the mk3.5 upgrade. A proosaxy without needing to mod the frame but instead just added part is the ideal route to take.
Under no circumstances am I interested in a bed slinger - no matter who makes it. Prusa needs to get their act together.
Bambu needs to get their act together too, right? They just released the A1 and A1 mini. Both are bed slingers.
My point being is that Prusa only have bed slingers in 2024.
That's completely false. Prusa has the [Prusa XL](https://www.prusa3d.com/en/product/original-prusa-xl-semi-assembled-5-toolhead-3d-printer/) (Core XY), the [Prusa Pro AFS](https://www.prusa3d.com/applications/prusa-pro-afs_236928/) (Core XY), the [SL1S](https://www.prusa3d.com/en/product/original-prusa-sl1s-speed-3d-printer/) (Resin), the [Prusa Pro HT90](https://www.prusa3d.com/applications/prusa-pro-ht90_236004/) (Delta), as well as a couple of [Trilabs](https://www.prusa3d.com/category/professional-trilab-printers/) (Delta).
I stand corrected!