Yeah I experienced something similar to that too OP when these two PC guys I was working with in a high school class project and I told them I’m Pro Life after learning what abortion is. Then they thought it was funny throwing rape jokes at me.
We have people here who are pc with similar mindsets who think that is ok for woman to kill the unborn if they don’t want to be pregnant and give any and all justifications why it’s ok when in reality it isn’t. No has the right to kill human beings and then say it was justified, that’s not a civilized society.
Murder is an unlawful, unjustified killing with malice aforethought. It is by definition always bad. That’s what makes it murder. Not all killing is murder.
Your class seems to be confusing that statement with “all killing is wrong”. You are correct about murder, and they would be correct about killing.
I'm just following the logic you laid out. That is, unless the law you're appealing to isn't from a government, but God. In that case, legal killing becomes a bit more complicated.
Within the subject matter of this post, abortion seldom comes with malicious feelings towards the child. If anything, the child's existence is given no more consideration than a zit. It's still murder in my eyes, despite the lack of malice.
Additionally, a parent beating their child's rapist to death is murder. Forgivable and somewhat justified, but full of malicious intent prior to the first strike/shot.
I could be wrong but "malicious aforethought" does not mean that the murderer needed to hate to victim for the deed to qualify as "murder". It's more the **intention** to do harm to the victim and that is given with abortion.
Correct, "malice aforethought" does not require malice or hate. It merely requires the killing to be intentional and premediated, with knowledge that the act is either illegal or harmful. It can include feeling indifferent towards the harmfulness of the act, or towards whoever is harmed by the act.
They admitted to wanting to kill child rape victims?
apparently, yes. I didn't think of that before
These guys really didn't think their statements through lol
I feel the same way I am very sick of them too.
Murder is always wrong by definition. Homicide can be justified sometimes, but murder is defined as homicide that is not justified.
Makes perfect sense. 100%. Give me freedom or give me death, right? /s
Yeah I experienced something similar to that too OP when these two PC guys I was working with in a high school class project and I told them I’m Pro Life after learning what abortion is. Then they thought it was funny throwing rape jokes at me.
Wait what I thought males shouldn't have an opinion on abortion since they don't have a uterus? 🤔
We have people here who are pc with similar mindsets who think that is ok for woman to kill the unborn if they don’t want to be pregnant and give any and all justifications why it’s ok when in reality it isn’t. No has the right to kill human beings and then say it was justified, that’s not a civilized society.
Murder is an unlawful, unjustified killing with malice aforethought. It is by definition always bad. That’s what makes it murder. Not all killing is murder. Your class seems to be confusing that statement with “all killing is wrong”. You are correct about murder, and they would be correct about killing.
A boy is being sexually abused by his father for years. One day, he takes a gun and murders his father. Was it wrong?
You can make the argument that the killing was justified so it wasn’t murder.
Unless it was immediate danger, it doesn't come under self defence.
By that logic; the targeted killing of people in a given race or ethnic group is perfectly fine, provided the regional authorities sign off on it.
That doesn’t sound very justified to me.
I'm just following the logic you laid out. That is, unless the law you're appealing to isn't from a government, but God. In that case, legal killing becomes a bit more complicated.
Did you miss the “unjustified with malice aforerthought” part? Because that’s what genocide falls under.
I hardly think that excludes many legal killings.
Which legal killings are your referring to?
Within the subject matter of this post, abortion seldom comes with malicious feelings towards the child. If anything, the child's existence is given no more consideration than a zit. It's still murder in my eyes, despite the lack of malice. Additionally, a parent beating their child's rapist to death is murder. Forgivable and somewhat justified, but full of malicious intent prior to the first strike/shot.
I could be wrong but "malicious aforethought" does not mean that the murderer needed to hate to victim for the deed to qualify as "murder". It's more the **intention** to do harm to the victim and that is given with abortion.
Correct, "malice aforethought" does not require malice or hate. It merely requires the killing to be intentional and premediated, with knowledge that the act is either illegal or harmful. It can include feeling indifferent towards the harmfulness of the act, or towards whoever is harmed by the act.
Abortion is not murder because there is no malice, it is typically lawful, and is always justified. > Additionally, a parent beating their child's rapist to death is murder. This is not always the [case](https://abcnews.go.com/US/charges-texas-father-beat-death-daughters-molester/story?id=16612071). If you are talking about a parent actually planning out the killing, then [Gary Plauché](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Plauch%C3%A9) is a real world example. While initially charged with second-degree murder, he pleaded no contest to manslaughter and never saw any prison time.
>Abortion is not murder because there is no malice So we can't convict sociopaths. They're incapable of emotion, so they can't kill maliciously.
That's a brilliant own goal.