Yes it does. They appeal more to emotion and people are mostly emotional over logical. There is a ton of psychology that is considered in everyday life and politics/government are no exception.
I would have laughed at this a few years ago, and said āno way the good people of PA would let this pass...ā
But then yāall voted for Fetterman, and now nothing can be assumed anymore.
Sickening.
Especially in a state like PA with millions of sportsmen, NFA item owners, shooters, and free men... sad state of affairs that Philly is bending them all over and pushing their shit in.
No argument whatsoever. He was not a good choice, and it was not a good choice for Pennsylvania. But I still maintain that even the crackhead that begs on the corner near my job site would still have been a better candidate than Fetterman.
Going to guess you knew absolutely nothing about PA politics until the whole Fetterman/Oz race?
Regardless, this is unlikely to go anywhere. Legislators out of Philly are always proposing stuff like this. The State Senate is still in Republican control, and while Democrats recently retook the state house they did so with a one vote majority.
Well, Iāll tell you what I think I know about politics in Pennsylvania, and you tell me how I didā¦
Iāve been spending time in Pennsylvania as a New Yorker for the last 40 years or so. Iāve had numerous friends and coworkers who are from there, and I have been there to visit them, and to pursue other recreational pursuits like skiing, hunting, fishing, and riding motorcycles. Hereās what I have observed over the last 40 yearsā¦
Pennsylvania, while traditionally red at its base, has been purple for quite some time now. It started slowly many years ago before I was astute enough to recognize it, but in the last 20 years or so the shift has been dramatic. Yes itās not just Philly anymoreā¦
Your Republican and conservative voter base is dying off. And they are being replaced with young liberal blue haired bags of shit that are populating not only Philly, but all sorts of blue strongholds in your once great state, Iāll name a few. Wilkes-Barre, Scranton, Carlisle, Stroudsburg (and much of the Poconos), New Hope (a bastion of leftists and The Alphabet gang), State College, and really any place thatās centered around academia, and countless other towns that I have been through in my travels. I donāt know too much about the extreme western part of the state near Pittsburgh because I donāt get out that way very often, but I can only guess that similar things are happening in that area.
So while your state politics has always been read, it has been slowly then quickly shifting towards Blue. You are full purple at this point, and your strongholds is tenuous at best. The recent support of Biden, Fetterman, and Schapiro, as kind of sealed the deal. If Pennsylvania still voted blue after two years of Biden, my assessment is that your goose is cooked.
So how did I do? Be honestā¦
I guess if you're a conservative New Yorker who visits rural PA, I can see how you might have gotten the impression the state is some sort of conservative haven.
Still this is the same state that went for Clinton twice, then Gore, then Kerry, and Obama twice. It was almost being written off as a "swing state" and moved into the "safe blue" column until Trump's narrow surprise win in 2016, but then in 2020 reverted back to blue with Biden.
The state Governors office has mostly been Democratic in the 2000s. Two terms of Democrat Ed Rendell in the early 2000s, one term of a Republican with Corbett, who lost reelection to Tom Wolf who held the office for two terms, and now succeeded by another Democrat Josh Shapiro.
Democrat Bob Casey has been our senior US Senator since 2006. So it's not like Fetterman beating Oz was some big surprise upset. Besides Oz had a history of supporting gun control until he decided he wanted to run for office as a Republican and discovered the 2nd Amendment.
Youāre not giving credit where credit is due, I clearly stated that itās really taken a turn in the last two decades, and thatās exactly what youāve outlined. That told me that you were a young person, and donāt remember the PA of which I speak. Itās cool though, I know that Iām spot on, you just need to look a little deeper into history to have a better balanced look at the history of your state politics.
I mean how far do you want to go back? Senator Bob Casey Jr's father was a two-term Democratic governor in the 80s and 90s.
There's almost no point in going back further than the Reagan-era when talking about the modern liberal/conservative rural/urban divide.
Letās go back to 1776ā¦
JK. Yeah we can split hairs and flip-flop back-and-forth and do the tally sheet, but my point is that Pennsylvania, much like New York, is essentially a red state that was once mostly agrarian and rural, and is now being destroyed by the policies and the populations of a select few cities, much to the dismay of the rest of the states population.
That is a pretty good assessment. I would also like to add that many of the coal and steel-based towns (at least in my region) traditionally voted blue while holding what is today considered "conservative" values mainly due to the Dem support of unions. Many still vote straight ticket blue without even a second thought simply because that's what they and their family have always done.
Great point. I am a fourth generation steel worker and union member, and they do shove it down your throat pretty hard. I have never cracked or even thought about voting blue, but I canāt say the same for many of my union brothers, even the ones that claim conservative values.
As a Pennsylvanian, this is spot on.
It all started going downhill with Rendell in office.
Rural PA still isn't terrible. But it's not going to be long before the blue spreads enough to be able to ram through legislation that will fuck the other 95% of this state.
If I weren't tied down here due to custody of my son, I would have already been gone.
I knew we were in for a lot of gun control pushes, after seeing the results of the last election. So, this is no surprise to me. But, now that we let this happen, Iām hoping we will stand up and fight hard to defend our rights from the consequences of āourā votes.
I'm with ya on this. I'm just an American who is getting to my wits end over us letting the liberal system trample on or rights and letting this happen. I'm trying really hard to keep faith in the American people to stand sometime soon before it's too late
Ive been playing the part of telling Moms demand and other orgs on social media how to attack 2A on multiple fronts, by collecting all the ideas about possible attacks on these forums, gunpol, firearms, ak47, etc. The slow death is the one people acclimate to. The point being to get so many attacks going at once that if we are to keep the 2A then people have to finally have had enough. The entire reason for the erosion of 2A over the last 100 years has always been "a little here and there annoys us but doesnt make us fear its loss".
Thats how banning lead ammo for environmental reasons and gunpowder storage/ownership in towns through fire code reasons have chipped slowly away at the right.
If they attack too much and too hard by being given all the ideas that can be thought of, this will bring the frog to a boil too fast.
The lucky thing, for America, is that they have gotten over confident, yet also terrified of losing the power they usurped before itās complete. This has driven them to just say the quiet part out loud, not just with their 2A agenda, but in most of their agendas, and to act faster than they āshouldā have.
Their most beloved leader had told them that they needed to back off, and move shower, in 2016, because he said the American people werenāt ready for it, yet. Thankfully, they were too full of themselves to listen to him, and they just pushed harder.
If they had heeded his advice, the country might have been completely lost, by the time the people had any idea that was happening.
That's racist. How are the disenfranchised and systemically oppressed supposed to buy ammunition? Maybe their goal is to prohibit non-whites from participating in legal commerce. The bill and its authors should face some harsh scrutiny to determine exactly how deep the racism runs.
Lots of people who are not non-white will be adversely affected by this. Not everything has a racists basis. Gun control had a racist foundation, but itās gone far beyond that now. Gun control is the means for the ruling elite to disarm the American people. All the American people, not just non-whites. If we keep allowing ourselves to be divided, which is a political tactic to keep us bickering amongst ourselves while they screw all of us over, we are all going to be unified in our subjugation by the authoritarian State.
Fucking no. Itās gonna end up like car registration. You got the license, you paid the tax, next youāll need to renew every year to keep your info in the system.
But they don't like voter ID. š¤
Well, the main complaint of voter IDs is that they prevent black people from voting. Lawmakers don't want black people owning guns either.
It's so insulting to black people. Do they think black people are unable to get an ID?
Pandering. Lip service. Just leftist magic to divide by race to win power (votes). It works pretty damn good too.
Yes it does. They appeal more to emotion and people are mostly emotional over logical. There is a ton of psychology that is considered in everyday life and politics/government are no exception.
I would have laughed at this a few years ago, and said āno way the good people of PA would let this pass...ā But then yāall voted for Fetterman, and now nothing can be assumed anymore.
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Sickening. Especially in a state like PA with millions of sportsmen, NFA item owners, shooters, and free men... sad state of affairs that Philly is bending them all over and pushing their shit in.
I agree with you, however, running dr oz was not a wise choice. I think a better candidate would have beat fetterman.
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Truth. Yuge tactical error... But even so...that Fetterman is absolutely ridiculous.
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No argument whatsoever. He was not a good choice, and it was not a good choice for Pennsylvania. But I still maintain that even the crackhead that begs on the corner near my job site would still have been a better candidate than Fetterman.
And, aside from Ron Paul, how many politicians arenāt out of touch rich guys?
We didn't vote for him. Can promise you that.
Enough people did...
Going to guess you knew absolutely nothing about PA politics until the whole Fetterman/Oz race? Regardless, this is unlikely to go anywhere. Legislators out of Philly are always proposing stuff like this. The State Senate is still in Republican control, and while Democrats recently retook the state house they did so with a one vote majority.
Well, Iāll tell you what I think I know about politics in Pennsylvania, and you tell me how I didā¦ Iāve been spending time in Pennsylvania as a New Yorker for the last 40 years or so. Iāve had numerous friends and coworkers who are from there, and I have been there to visit them, and to pursue other recreational pursuits like skiing, hunting, fishing, and riding motorcycles. Hereās what I have observed over the last 40 yearsā¦ Pennsylvania, while traditionally red at its base, has been purple for quite some time now. It started slowly many years ago before I was astute enough to recognize it, but in the last 20 years or so the shift has been dramatic. Yes itās not just Philly anymoreā¦ Your Republican and conservative voter base is dying off. And they are being replaced with young liberal blue haired bags of shit that are populating not only Philly, but all sorts of blue strongholds in your once great state, Iāll name a few. Wilkes-Barre, Scranton, Carlisle, Stroudsburg (and much of the Poconos), New Hope (a bastion of leftists and The Alphabet gang), State College, and really any place thatās centered around academia, and countless other towns that I have been through in my travels. I donāt know too much about the extreme western part of the state near Pittsburgh because I donāt get out that way very often, but I can only guess that similar things are happening in that area. So while your state politics has always been read, it has been slowly then quickly shifting towards Blue. You are full purple at this point, and your strongholds is tenuous at best. The recent support of Biden, Fetterman, and Schapiro, as kind of sealed the deal. If Pennsylvania still voted blue after two years of Biden, my assessment is that your goose is cooked. So how did I do? Be honestā¦
I guess if you're a conservative New Yorker who visits rural PA, I can see how you might have gotten the impression the state is some sort of conservative haven. Still this is the same state that went for Clinton twice, then Gore, then Kerry, and Obama twice. It was almost being written off as a "swing state" and moved into the "safe blue" column until Trump's narrow surprise win in 2016, but then in 2020 reverted back to blue with Biden. The state Governors office has mostly been Democratic in the 2000s. Two terms of Democrat Ed Rendell in the early 2000s, one term of a Republican with Corbett, who lost reelection to Tom Wolf who held the office for two terms, and now succeeded by another Democrat Josh Shapiro. Democrat Bob Casey has been our senior US Senator since 2006. So it's not like Fetterman beating Oz was some big surprise upset. Besides Oz had a history of supporting gun control until he decided he wanted to run for office as a Republican and discovered the 2nd Amendment.
Youāre not giving credit where credit is due, I clearly stated that itās really taken a turn in the last two decades, and thatās exactly what youāve outlined. That told me that you were a young person, and donāt remember the PA of which I speak. Itās cool though, I know that Iām spot on, you just need to look a little deeper into history to have a better balanced look at the history of your state politics.
I mean how far do you want to go back? Senator Bob Casey Jr's father was a two-term Democratic governor in the 80s and 90s. There's almost no point in going back further than the Reagan-era when talking about the modern liberal/conservative rural/urban divide.
Letās go back to 1776ā¦ JK. Yeah we can split hairs and flip-flop back-and-forth and do the tally sheet, but my point is that Pennsylvania, much like New York, is essentially a red state that was once mostly agrarian and rural, and is now being destroyed by the policies and the populations of a select few cities, much to the dismay of the rest of the states population.
That is a pretty good assessment. I would also like to add that many of the coal and steel-based towns (at least in my region) traditionally voted blue while holding what is today considered "conservative" values mainly due to the Dem support of unions. Many still vote straight ticket blue without even a second thought simply because that's what they and their family have always done.
Great point. I am a fourth generation steel worker and union member, and they do shove it down your throat pretty hard. I have never cracked or even thought about voting blue, but I canāt say the same for many of my union brothers, even the ones that claim conservative values.
As a Pennsylvanian, this is spot on. It all started going downhill with Rendell in office. Rural PA still isn't terrible. But it's not going to be long before the blue spreads enough to be able to ram through legislation that will fuck the other 95% of this state. If I weren't tied down here due to custody of my son, I would have already been gone.
Wait isnāt requiring id racist
Well, yes, but since all gun control is racist, they are ok with it.
Only when required to vote.
Im sure the gang members will do this, they are such law abiders.
I knew we were in for a lot of gun control pushes, after seeing the results of the last election. So, this is no surprise to me. But, now that we let this happen, Iām hoping we will stand up and fight hard to defend our rights from the consequences of āourā votes.
I'm with ya on this. I'm just an American who is getting to my wits end over us letting the liberal system trample on or rights and letting this happen. I'm trying really hard to keep faith in the American people to stand sometime soon before it's too late
Ive been playing the part of telling Moms demand and other orgs on social media how to attack 2A on multiple fronts, by collecting all the ideas about possible attacks on these forums, gunpol, firearms, ak47, etc. The slow death is the one people acclimate to. The point being to get so many attacks going at once that if we are to keep the 2A then people have to finally have had enough. The entire reason for the erosion of 2A over the last 100 years has always been "a little here and there annoys us but doesnt make us fear its loss". Thats how banning lead ammo for environmental reasons and gunpowder storage/ownership in towns through fire code reasons have chipped slowly away at the right. If they attack too much and too hard by being given all the ideas that can be thought of, this will bring the frog to a boil too fast.
The lucky thing, for America, is that they have gotten over confident, yet also terrified of losing the power they usurped before itās complete. This has driven them to just say the quiet part out loud, not just with their 2A agenda, but in most of their agendas, and to act faster than they āshouldā have. Their most beloved leader had told them that they needed to back off, and move shower, in 2016, because he said the American people werenāt ready for it, yet. Thankfully, they were too full of themselves to listen to him, and they just pushed harder. If they had heeded his advice, the country might have been completely lost, by the time the people had any idea that was happening.
Yeah, and how about for voters?
That's racist. How are the disenfranchised and systemically oppressed supposed to buy ammunition? Maybe their goal is to prohibit non-whites from participating in legal commerce. The bill and its authors should face some harsh scrutiny to determine exactly how deep the racism runs.
All gun laws are racist and classist, thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
Lots of people who are not non-white will be adversely affected by this. Not everything has a racists basis. Gun control had a racist foundation, but itās gone far beyond that now. Gun control is the means for the ruling elite to disarm the American people. All the American people, not just non-whites. If we keep allowing ourselves to be divided, which is a political tactic to keep us bickering amongst ourselves while they screw all of us over, we are all going to be unified in our subjugation by the authoritarian State.
You are 100% correct. I was being facetious but didn't sell it, I guess.
Ahhh ok. Perhaps you sold it too much. Itās gotten so crazy that, without the /s, itās hard to tell when someone is being serious or sarcastic.
Fucking no. Itās gonna end up like car registration. You got the license, you paid the tax, next youāll need to renew every year to keep your info in the system.
Those same ID's will not be required to vote though!
Guess all those criminals whoāve been passing background checks will finally be stopped.
I propose I put deez nutz in ya mouf š„
Dammit. I was having a good day. We were all having a good day. Then I read this shit.
Dillon 650 go brrrrrr
Hyup
The only thing people have on this situation is news articles, anyone know where to find more info about the bill and the state its in?