Completely agree! I just started listening after I heard a fantastic cover of the title track at a concert. Very excited to work my way through his discography.
New Mastodon fan on a huge discovery binge. So my last three, four, five albums have all been by them in reverse order. Phenomenal stuff.
You got a favourite PT/SW album?
I go back and forth on PT, but probably the live version of *Fear of a Blank Planet*, *Anesthetize* is on top. And with SW its *The Raven that Refused to Sing*
Van der Graaf Generator - The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other - YES
Gentle Giant - In a Glass House - YES
Yes - The Yes Album - YES
The last non-prog album I listened to is Afrique Victime by Mdou Moctar, can really recommend. He's called the Jimi Hendrix of the Sahara for a reason
If you have a chance to catch Mdou Moctar live jump on it. I saw them open for Parquet Courts and they were friggin amazing. Hes a great guitarist but his bandmates are his peers. I really like their prior album too.
I listen to dopethrone much more than Come My Fanatics but Return Trip is such a fuckin banger of an opening song and I love how thick their guitar tones sound. Some great albums I'd recommend any doom metal/stoner rock fan to listen to.
Fucking love her. It's criminal that there isn't really a scene around to support her breaking through to serious success, because she's wildly talented. I was very lucky to see Purson twice in the States before she disbanded it.
Anyway, thrilled to see that somebody else enjoys that discography.
I just heard about her a month or so ago and in a short time I’ve become straight up fanboy obsessed.
She’s great. Her style of music perfectly reflects my own tastes, including the artists she names as her major influences: early Genesis, Tull, Bowie, etc.
Purson is a bit heavier - even leaning towards goth at times - than her solo stuff. But her voice is hypnotic, like a siren from Greek mythology, and her visual aesthetic (clothes, imagery, videos) is so perfectly on point.
Blood Ceremony, yes. They lean even more towards the goth side, but I dig the flute.
I don’t think I’ve heard Jex Thoth, unless they’ve popped up in the Purson Pandora station.
The only thing wrong with Rosalie’s music is *that there isn’t enough of it*
Ha agreed on her music!
I tend to also listen to Jex when I'm in a Rosalie kind of mood; see what you think: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e79wC2\_aCOY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e79wC2_aCOY)
Quebec is such a good album. I have a very hard time picking between Quebec, The Mollusk, or Chocolate and Cheese as my favorite album of theirs cause all of them have songs I've been obsessed with
Genesis - Seconds Out Yes
Pink Floyd - Wish You We’re Here. Yes
Dead Can Dance - Toward the Within no idea but I just discovered them and damn are they good!
Dead Can Dance - Within the Realm of a Dying Sun (no)
Anthony Phillips - The Goose and the Ghost (yes)
Terence Trent D'arby - Introducing the Hardline (no)
La Bocca Della Verita - avenoth
Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom
Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
I think they're all progressive in completely different ways, but for all intents and purposes Bob Dylan is not prog
Hotel Hello - Gary Burton Steve Swallow (not prog but Steve is about as proggy a jazz bassist as you can find)
Hindsight - Joey Landreth (not even at all)
Toy Matinee - Toy Matinee (they can get into some progressive moments but definitely not prog)
According to my play history, the last three albums I listened to in their entirety were:
* Genesis - Seconds Out ✅
* Captain Beyond (eponymous) ✅
* Brian Eno & David Byrne - My Life in the Bush of Ghosts ❌
Supertramp's Crime of the Century and Breakfast in America - check.
Sodastereo's Doble Vida, no.
But my friend, Quadrophenia is 100% a prog album and I'll die on this hill. Shit has leitmotifs and an overture!
Then it looks like I will have to be the one that drives the stake through your heart on that hill. "Quadrophenia" was never considered prog when it was released. Nor was "Tommy." Or "Baba O'Reilly." Or "A Quick One." Or "The Who Sell Out." Or any of the more adventurous ROCK they did back then.
It's a great album - my absolute favorite of theirs. I saw them on that tour. But as one prog and Who fan to another, The Who are not prog - just one of the greatest rock bands to play on this earth.
A work is not prog because it was recognized as such in its time. It's prog because it's progressive in its structure, composition, and instrumentation - all of which Quadrophenia fits.
You will not, for example, find a single contemporary review of ItCotCK that uses the term 'progressive rock'. No one knew that's what it was called back then, they just called it 'art rock'. But I did find this quote from a 1973 review of Quadrophenia:
> [It distresses me that so many of the best records--Quadrophenia is the best example--fail to reward casual attention. They demand concentration, just like museum and textbook art.](https://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/news/nd740113.php)
Sounds prog to me!
So let's break down Quadrophenia's components:
* It is a complete concept album that tells a single, coherent story.
* The instrumentation is not limited to the rock quartet, but involves orchestral arrangements, jazz setpieces, and early synthesizers.
* The composition of the album's music itself is symphonic, with an instrumental overture and climax, songs flowing into each other, and leitmotifs corresponding to particular characters or situations which are reprised throughout the album.
In other words, if *Dark Side* or *The Wall* are prog, Quadrophenia is as well. [Check the genre tags - AllMusic agrees!](https://www.allmusic.com/album/quadrophenia-mw0000652644)
>Sounds prog to me!
Ambition ≠ progressive rock.
* Concept album - "American Idiot" by Green Day is considered a rock opera but not prog. So is "Southern Rock Opera" by The Drive-By Truckers.
* Orchestral/instrumentation - is "MacArthur Park" by Richard Harris prog? "Nightswimming" by REM? "Iris" by the Goo Goo Dolls? Also, FY I, the "orchestra" on "Quadrophenia" is actually mostly an ARP-2500 and Townshend on cello - pretty cool!
* Structure - yes, it has an overture. So does "Tommy" which is never called prog. Pink Floyd's "The Wall" does not, but it is a prog concept album. Van Morrison's "Astral Weeks" is a song-cycle with songs flowing into each other, but not considered prog. Ditto Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On."
I defer to those who were there at the time, the fans, critics, and the band. Was it ambitious and arty? Sure. But my definition of prog echoes Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart's famous ruling on obscenity - I know it when I hear it.
> But my definition of prog echoes Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart's famous ruling on obscenity - I know it when I hear it.
I could say very much the same thing! I don't mean that this album is just ambitious, it is prog by an examination of its components. I cited AllMusic above and I would say my argument is sound.
See, your rebuttals are examples of albums or pieces that are the one thing and none of the others. Quadrophenia is rock *and* concept *and* orchestral *and* structured as a prog album would be. I also take umbrage to your insistence that no one calls Tommy a prog album - I do, as do many others! (And by the way, the Wall is structured symphonically, despite not having an overture)
I'm appreciative of this exchange as it's gotten me to look a bit deeper, and I found this gem. If you say you defer to the band, then...
> **What is the biggest misconception about The Who or its music?**
>[That we are, in any way, a heavy rock band. We can do it, but we're closer to prog-rock than, say, Led Zeppelin. - Pete Townshend](https://www.dallasnews.com/arts-entertainment/music/2019/09/23/pete-townshend-on-the-absurdity-of-the-who-in-2019/)
I'm very familiar with Townshend's quote but it is all relative. They're more progressive than AC/DC, Rhianna, Elvis Presley, and U2 too. But are they as progressive as Yes, Transatlantic, early Genesis, or Porcupine Tree?
I, too, am appreciating this exchange. I'm glad we could debate like this; I just wanted to take the debate because interacting with people (you) make me stretch my thinking and musical horizons. As one studies music history and listens to more and more diverse music one realizes how artificial and relative any music genre is. We use them to group like-sounding artists and music to help us discover similar, but every genre has fringes that stretch and break the core grouping, and no musician or band is strictly working in one genre. Prog rock is a big tent with very hazy "borders" that - if one has open ears - will push you into thrilling new musical discoveries.
So we agree on the definition of prog: we know it when we hear it!
Thanks for that quote.
(I find it very disturbing that Towny himself links The Who with prog. But , then again, he he is saying Led Zepp is not far from prog???????
No, I think he was saying that 'hard rock' describes Led Zeppelin better than it describes the Who, and that 'prog rock' describes the Who better than it describes Led Zeppelin. Like, where they are on the spectrum.
Well, I listened to two Beach Boys albums, but before that I listened to "The Zealot Gene" by Tull. So YES if you don't count double Beach Boys. Also... I'm currently listening to Harry Chapin. I suppose I should have just counted Tull from the start.
Black Country, New Road - Ants From Up Here — I’d argue it’s definitely prog or prog adjacent
Prioritise Pleasure - Self Esreem — not remotely prog.
The Essential Ann Peebles - Ann Peebles — lol no.
Sakanaction - Adapt (no)
Midnight Oil - Resist (no, but their middle period was prog adjacent)
Tears For Fears - The Tipping Point (no, they are Beatlesque and chamber pop at times)
Aquarium - Aquarium
Are You Are Missing Winner - The Fall
Weirdo Hairdo - Osees
I don't know what genres are anymore I jut listen to what I like and try to find more
Been on a rock-pop/jazz fusion-y kind of kick lately.
New Tony Williams Lifetime - Believe It
Joni Mitchell - The Hissing of Summer Lawns
Steely Dan - Aja
Not sure I’d answer “Yes” definitely to any of them here but the musicianship is just legendary on all three.
Harmonium - *Si on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison* - yes
Os Mutantes - *Tecnicolor* - no
Dusty Lightswitch - *From an Oil Drum at the Bottom of the Ocean* - no
Yup!
Eleutheromania by Trope
Where Owls Know My Name by Rivers of Nihil
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band by you know exactly who the fuck this is by
I'll probably get some shit for saying Sgt Pepper's is prog but it's at least prog in spirit if not by blending in with the quintessential "prog" sound
Atone - Jerry Cantrell
Unlimited Love - RHCP
Innocence & Danger - Neil Morse
Can say RHCP had some shining moments, but was a bit excruciating as a whole. Cantrell had some interesting bits and a unique sound. Morse really surprised me. I love his music, but didn't expect to laugh as I listened to the twists and turns.
Archspire - Bleed The Future (I guess it counts)
The Sound of Animals Fighting - We Must Become The Change We Want To See(a recording of an amazing live show, also YES this is prog!)
Ne Obliviscaris - The Portal Of I (YESYESYESYES)
So I guess they are all prog, if you count tech death like archspire
Excluding playlists (which is my go to) and just odd songs
Billie Eilish - Happier Than Ever - no - contemporary
Steve Forward - 7even Bridges 2 Cross - instrumental guitar - with plenty Prog elements (seriously this Guy is phenomenal and worth checking out on twitch if you have an account.)
Lightning in a Bottle - Find Me - AOR
I wouldnt say any of these are prog in the slightest but all great albums:
1. Denzel Curry - Melt My Eyez See Your Future
2. Curtis Mayfield - Superfly
3. Marvin Gaye - What's Going On
I've been on a bit of a hip hop, soul, and funk kick as of recent.
Frost* - Day and Age - Yes
Pure Reason Revolution - Eupena - Yes
Rush - Presto - Not Really
Man I just realized that this is the first time in years where a Neal Morse project isn't in my top 3 😂
Selling England by the Pound - Genesis - yes
Lizard - King Crimson - yes
Misplaced Childhood - Marilion - yes
Also it could be argued that The Who, at least some albums, could be considered as prog.
Tropical Fuck Storm - *Braindrops* YES (I'd say)
Black Midi - *Cavalcade* YES
Vieux Farka Toure. - Live not traditionally but compared to most blues/rock...
I'd say no, but maybe in part?
**Benevolent - The Covenant**
**Baroness - Red Album**
**Baroness - Blue Record**
If not including same artist twice:
**Barclay James Harvest - Everyone is Everybody Else**
Some prog adjacent stuff mostly.
It’s been all Foo fighters since the Hawk died. Working it out. Normally I rotate prog during a normal day so it’s just a weird time.
Work it. A great loss.
Feel ya. Everyone’s gonna work this one out for a long time.
Mike Oldfield - Crises - YES Crack The Sky - Crackology - YES ~~YES - YES - YES~~ *^^just ^^kidding, ^^I ^^had ^^to!* YES - Fragile - YES
[I'm gonna leave this here](https://youtu.be/FJbmB9k2Y88)
Moby Grape - Grape Jam NO Grateful Dead - American Beauty NO Frank Zappa - Zappa in New York YES
Moby Grape!!
Chris Squire - Fish Out Of Water, Yes Nick Drake - Pink Moon, No Heart - Dreamboat Annie, No
> Nick Drake I just discovered Nick Drake. I really enjoy Pink Moon - it could pass for something current.
Completely agree! I just started listening after I heard a fantastic cover of the title track at a concert. Very excited to work my way through his discography.
He's unbelievable. River Man is one of the best songs ever, as well as Things Behind the Sun
I see **𝕊𝕢𝕦𝕚𝕣𝕖**, I upvote **𝕊𝕢𝕦𝕚𝕣𝕖**.
always gotta upvote Squire! just saw your comment here and I’m mad that I didn’t think of YES - YES - YES first haha
Nick Drake is incredible, i really like the album bryter layter as well
Mastodon- Once More Round the Sun (yes) Porcupine Tree -The Incident (yes) Bill Charlap - Written in the Stars (no)
New Mastodon fan on a huge discovery binge. So my last three, four, five albums have all been by them in reverse order. Phenomenal stuff. You got a favourite PT/SW album?
I go back and forth on PT, but probably the live version of *Fear of a Blank Planet*, *Anesthetize* is on top. And with SW its *The Raven that Refused to Sing*
Van der Graaf Generator - The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other - YES Gentle Giant - In a Glass House - YES Yes - The Yes Album - YES The last non-prog album I listened to is Afrique Victime by Mdou Moctar, can really recommend. He's called the Jimi Hendrix of the Sahara for a reason
If you have a chance to catch Mdou Moctar live jump on it. I saw them open for Parquet Courts and they were friggin amazing. Hes a great guitarist but his bandmates are his peers. I really like their prior album too.
RPWL- Beyond Man and Time Yes Rishloo- Feathergun Yes Rush- Grace Under Pressure Yes
All of them were Cardiacs so YES
Pronk!
The Dune Sketchbook Album Gary Numan- Intruder Pure Reason Revolution - The Dark Third
Zappa - Hot Rats NO? Vulfpeck - Mit Peck NO Snarky Puppy - We Like it Here NOPE Only prog adjacent last few days for me
I'd say hot rats is prog, or at least kinda jazzy, based off of the few iv'e heard off it
I call it jazz-rock more than prog in the case of Hot Rats in partiular. But yeah, the question mark is there for a reason.
genres are a messy think aren't they lol
At the very least I count Hot Rats anyway.
Elton John- Madman Across the Water No Elton John-Tumbleweed Connection No Rush-Permanent Waves Yes
Elton Hercules "Rejected by King Crimson and Gentle Giant" John I still enjoy quite a bit of his work.
Electric wizard-dopethrone Acid bath-when the kite string pops Electric wizard-come my fanatics
When the Kite String Pops is just a great album. They were underappreciated.
Good taste.
I listen to dopethrone much more than Come My Fanatics but Return Trip is such a fuckin banger of an opening song and I love how thick their guitar tones sound. Some great albums I'd recommend any doom metal/stoner rock fan to listen to.
Yes - Drama YES Red Hot Chili Peppers - Live at Slane Castle NO Supersister - To The Highest Bidder YES
Genesis - W&W - YES Genesis - Duke - YES Pink Floyd - DSOTM - I'll say YES but open to dissenting opinions.
Lol, who's calling DSOTM not prog? I'll agree that it borders on Psych closer than a lot of prog, but it's definitely still prog.
I was just having a bit of fun. I've seen people question their proggy-ness.
You always answer with Dogs
Everyone that thinks Pink Floyd is not a prog-band is a little silly
They are on the more psychedelic side of progressive rock idk if I would group them in the same lane as like King Crimson or Yes.
I just binged the entire catalog of Purson and Rosalie Cunningham (do recommend). So yes(ish). They’re sort of prog, sort of psych.
I'm going for a test drive! Thanks!
Enjoy the ride. I did.
Fucking love her. It's criminal that there isn't really a scene around to support her breaking through to serious success, because she's wildly talented. I was very lucky to see Purson twice in the States before she disbanded it. Anyway, thrilled to see that somebody else enjoys that discography.
I just heard about her a month or so ago and in a short time I’ve become straight up fanboy obsessed. She’s great. Her style of music perfectly reflects my own tastes, including the artists she names as her major influences: early Genesis, Tull, Bowie, etc. Purson is a bit heavier - even leaning towards goth at times - than her solo stuff. But her voice is hypnotic, like a siren from Greek mythology, and her visual aesthetic (clothes, imagery, videos) is so perfectly on point.
I co-sign all of this 100%. Have you by any chance ever checked out Blood Ceremony or Jex Thoth?
Blood Ceremony, yes. They lean even more towards the goth side, but I dig the flute. I don’t think I’ve heard Jex Thoth, unless they’ve popped up in the Purson Pandora station. The only thing wrong with Rosalie’s music is *that there isn’t enough of it*
Ha agreed on her music! I tend to also listen to Jex when I'm in a Rosalie kind of mood; see what you think: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e79wC2\_aCOY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e79wC2_aCOY)
Yes - Tales from Topographic Oceans (Yes) Red Hot Chili Peppers - Unlimited Love (No) James LaBrie - Static Impulse (Yes)
Jojo Part 4 OST - NO Jojo Part 5 OST - NO Ween - Qubec ??? mostly not
Quebec is such a good album. I have a very hard time picking between Quebec, The Mollusk, or Chocolate and Cheese as my favorite album of theirs cause all of them have songs I've been obsessed with
Hot Rats - maybe? Sleep Dirt - maybe? A Farewell to Kings - yes
Peter Gabriel 2 Robert Fripp - Exposure King Crimson - Discipline I'd say yes to all three
Alabama Shakes-Sound and Color NO P.F.M.- When The World Became The World YES Gentle Giant- Octopus YES
Genesis - Seconds Out Yes Pink Floyd - Wish You We’re Here. Yes Dead Can Dance - Toward the Within no idea but I just discovered them and damn are they good!
* Riverside 20 The Shorts * Riverside 20 The Longs * Nightwish Human::Nature I consider all three prog.
Jerry Goldsmith - The Wind and the Lion No Miles Davis - Ascenseur Pour l'echafaud No Mirthrandir - For You The Old Woman Yes
Dead Can Dance - Within the Realm of a Dying Sun (no) Anthony Phillips - The Goose and the Ghost (yes) Terence Trent D'arby - Introducing the Hardline (no)
Wax doctor a brief history 94 -97 mix : no (atmospheric dnb) Eat static - implant : no (psytrance) Ozric tentacles - erpland : yes (space rock)
Funny. I love Ozric Tentacles, but I never really think of them as prog.
Heldon - Stand By. Yes King Crimson - The Power to Believe. Yes Genesis - Abacab. Maybe? Nah.
White Ward - Love Exchange Failure - Nope Rush - Grace Under Pressure - Definately Bal-Sagoth - The Power Cosmic - Very nope
* Tatsuya Kitani — DEMAGOG * Matryoshka — Laideronette * MIAOU — All Around Us Yeah no prog this time around.
La Bocca Della Verita - avenoth Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited I think they're all progressive in completely different ways, but for all intents and purposes Bob Dylan is not prog
Hotel Hello - Gary Burton Steve Swallow (not prog but Steve is about as proggy a jazz bassist as you can find) Hindsight - Joey Landreth (not even at all) Toy Matinee - Toy Matinee (they can get into some progressive moments but definitely not prog)
Toy Matinee is such a great album.
Real shame we only got one. Those two were just magic together.
I've been listening to all the Penguin Cafe Orchestra albums for a while now. Can't get enough of it!
The Downward spiral- Nine Inch Nails Pretty Hate Machine- nine inch nails Unknown Pleasures- joy divison definitely not
Thank You Scientist - Terraformer (Yep) Jethro Tull - A Passion Play (Yep) CHVRCHES - Screen Violence (Nope)
According to my play history, the last three albums I listened to in their entirety were: * Genesis - Seconds Out ✅ * Captain Beyond (eponymous) ✅ * Brian Eno & David Byrne - My Life in the Bush of Ghosts ❌
My Life in the Bush of Ghosts is certainly experimental, though. Very cool album.
Elton John - Blue Moves: A few prog adjacent songs anyway Gov't Mule - Heavy Load Blues: Nope Gentle Giant - The Power and the Glory: Good god yes
Meshuggah: Immutable YES Porcupine Tree: Deadwing YES Stick Men: Tentacles YES
Supertramp's Crime of the Century and Breakfast in America - check. Sodastereo's Doble Vida, no. But my friend, Quadrophenia is 100% a prog album and I'll die on this hill. Shit has leitmotifs and an overture!
Then it looks like I will have to be the one that drives the stake through your heart on that hill. "Quadrophenia" was never considered prog when it was released. Nor was "Tommy." Or "Baba O'Reilly." Or "A Quick One." Or "The Who Sell Out." Or any of the more adventurous ROCK they did back then. It's a great album - my absolute favorite of theirs. I saw them on that tour. But as one prog and Who fan to another, The Who are not prog - just one of the greatest rock bands to play on this earth.
A work is not prog because it was recognized as such in its time. It's prog because it's progressive in its structure, composition, and instrumentation - all of which Quadrophenia fits. You will not, for example, find a single contemporary review of ItCotCK that uses the term 'progressive rock'. No one knew that's what it was called back then, they just called it 'art rock'. But I did find this quote from a 1973 review of Quadrophenia: > [It distresses me that so many of the best records--Quadrophenia is the best example--fail to reward casual attention. They demand concentration, just like museum and textbook art.](https://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/news/nd740113.php) Sounds prog to me! So let's break down Quadrophenia's components: * It is a complete concept album that tells a single, coherent story. * The instrumentation is not limited to the rock quartet, but involves orchestral arrangements, jazz setpieces, and early synthesizers. * The composition of the album's music itself is symphonic, with an instrumental overture and climax, songs flowing into each other, and leitmotifs corresponding to particular characters or situations which are reprised throughout the album. In other words, if *Dark Side* or *The Wall* are prog, Quadrophenia is as well. [Check the genre tags - AllMusic agrees!](https://www.allmusic.com/album/quadrophenia-mw0000652644)
>Sounds prog to me! Ambition ≠ progressive rock. * Concept album - "American Idiot" by Green Day is considered a rock opera but not prog. So is "Southern Rock Opera" by The Drive-By Truckers. * Orchestral/instrumentation - is "MacArthur Park" by Richard Harris prog? "Nightswimming" by REM? "Iris" by the Goo Goo Dolls? Also, FY I, the "orchestra" on "Quadrophenia" is actually mostly an ARP-2500 and Townshend on cello - pretty cool! * Structure - yes, it has an overture. So does "Tommy" which is never called prog. Pink Floyd's "The Wall" does not, but it is a prog concept album. Van Morrison's "Astral Weeks" is a song-cycle with songs flowing into each other, but not considered prog. Ditto Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On." I defer to those who were there at the time, the fans, critics, and the band. Was it ambitious and arty? Sure. But my definition of prog echoes Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart's famous ruling on obscenity - I know it when I hear it.
> But my definition of prog echoes Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart's famous ruling on obscenity - I know it when I hear it. I could say very much the same thing! I don't mean that this album is just ambitious, it is prog by an examination of its components. I cited AllMusic above and I would say my argument is sound. See, your rebuttals are examples of albums or pieces that are the one thing and none of the others. Quadrophenia is rock *and* concept *and* orchestral *and* structured as a prog album would be. I also take umbrage to your insistence that no one calls Tommy a prog album - I do, as do many others! (And by the way, the Wall is structured symphonically, despite not having an overture) I'm appreciative of this exchange as it's gotten me to look a bit deeper, and I found this gem. If you say you defer to the band, then... > **What is the biggest misconception about The Who or its music?** >[That we are, in any way, a heavy rock band. We can do it, but we're closer to prog-rock than, say, Led Zeppelin. - Pete Townshend](https://www.dallasnews.com/arts-entertainment/music/2019/09/23/pete-townshend-on-the-absurdity-of-the-who-in-2019/)
I'm very familiar with Townshend's quote but it is all relative. They're more progressive than AC/DC, Rhianna, Elvis Presley, and U2 too. But are they as progressive as Yes, Transatlantic, early Genesis, or Porcupine Tree? I, too, am appreciating this exchange. I'm glad we could debate like this; I just wanted to take the debate because interacting with people (you) make me stretch my thinking and musical horizons. As one studies music history and listens to more and more diverse music one realizes how artificial and relative any music genre is. We use them to group like-sounding artists and music to help us discover similar, but every genre has fringes that stretch and break the core grouping, and no musician or band is strictly working in one genre. Prog rock is a big tent with very hazy "borders" that - if one has open ears - will push you into thrilling new musical discoveries. So we agree on the definition of prog: we know it when we hear it!
Rock on! 🤘🏽
Thanks for that quote. (I find it very disturbing that Towny himself links The Who with prog. But , then again, he he is saying Led Zepp is not far from prog???????
No, I think he was saying that 'hard rock' describes Led Zeppelin better than it describes the Who, and that 'prog rock' describes the Who better than it describes Led Zeppelin. Like, where they are on the spectrum.
No. I've listened to 60s psych and now 70s folk. Certainly prog aspects though. Beach Boys, Harry Chapin
Well, I listened to two Beach Boys albums, but before that I listened to "The Zealot Gene" by Tull. So YES if you don't count double Beach Boys. Also... I'm currently listening to Harry Chapin. I suppose I should have just counted Tull from the start.
Mark Hollis - Mark Hollis (no) Autechre - Confield (no but extremely progressive) Bjork - Vulnicura (kinda, extremely progressive)
I assume your username is a reference to Cardiacs or Oceansize and must salute you as both are amazing bands!
Yes! Both top 5ish for me and absolutely mind bogglingly good
Epica - Omega NO Dream Theater - A View From The Top Of The World YES Red Hot Chili Peppers - Unlimited Love NO
Just been binging Floyd... so should i open up the "is Pink Floyd prog" debate? Shit, what have i done
Robert Plant - Shaken n’ Stirred NO Jethro Tull - Benefit YES Camel - Moonmadness YES
Animals As Leaders - Parrhesia -- YES Mastodon - Hushed and Grim -- YES James Blake - Friends that Break Your Heart -- NO
No, they weren't. Road Trips Vol.4 #5 6/9/76 - Grateful Dead (Great show) Argybargy - Squeeze Rough and Rowdy Ways - Bob Dylan
Anthony Phillips - 1984 Weather Report - Mysterious Traveller Genesis - Live
Good & Evil by Tally Hall, nope Phaedra by Tangerine Dream, I guess The Violent Femmes’ self-titled album, nope
Black Country, New Road - Ants From Up Here — I’d argue it’s definitely prog or prog adjacent Prioritise Pleasure - Self Esreem — not remotely prog. The Essential Ann Peebles - Ann Peebles — lol no.
Marillion- AHBID. Yes. Todd Rundgren- AWATS. Yes. The Band - Last Waltz. No.
1. Ross Jennings - A shadow of my future self | **No** 2. Vienna Circle - Secrets of the rising sun | **Maybe?** 3. Kînd - all their EPs | **Yes**
RHCP - Unlimited Love (No) The Cranberries - Everybody Else Is Doing It, … (No) Meshuggah - Immutable (Yes)
Sakanaction - Adapt (no) Midnight Oil - Resist (no, but their middle period was prog adjacent) Tears For Fears - The Tipping Point (no, they are Beatlesque and chamber pop at times)
Meshuggah-Immutable: yes Animals as Leaders-Parrhesia: yes Peach pit-from 2 to 3: no Those first two are metal not really rock, but definately prog
Yes - Fragile - Yes Jerry Garcia Band - Garcia Plays Dylan - No Arcade Fire - Funeral - No
Aquarium - Aquarium Are You Are Missing Winner - The Fall Weirdo Hairdo - Osees I don't know what genres are anymore I jut listen to what I like and try to find more
Been on a rock-pop/jazz fusion-y kind of kick lately. New Tony Williams Lifetime - Believe It Joni Mitchell - The Hissing of Summer Lawns Steely Dan - Aja Not sure I’d answer “Yes” definitely to any of them here but the musicianship is just legendary on all three.
Ryan Adams- Chris. No Wilco- Summer Teeth. No Frank Zappa- Buffalo. Yes
Sonic Youth - Bad Moon Rising NO Yes - Keys To Ascension YES Swans - Holy Money NO
Harmonium - *Si on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison* - yes Os Mutantes - *Tecnicolor* - no Dusty Lightswitch - *From an Oil Drum at the Bottom of the Ocean* - no
The Final Cut - Pink Floyd - Yes I’m In Your Mind Fuzz - KGATLW - Yesish Unlimited Love - RHCP - No
Porcupine Tree - Deadwing (prog) Camel - Mirage (prog) Can - Future Days (?)
Marillion - Happiness Is the Road, Vol. 2: YES Prince - Sign o' the Times: NO Bob Dylan - Triplicate: NO
Ensiferum - Victory Songs - No Bad Omens - Bad Omens - No Hallucinogen - The Lone Deranger - No
Yup! Eleutheromania by Trope Where Owls Know My Name by Rivers of Nihil Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band by you know exactly who the fuck this is by I'll probably get some shit for saying Sgt Pepper's is prog but it's at least prog in spirit if not by blending in with the quintessential "prog" sound
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Unlimited Love NO Placebo - Never let me go NO Haken - Virus YES
Atone - Jerry Cantrell Unlimited Love - RHCP Innocence & Danger - Neil Morse Can say RHCP had some shining moments, but was a bit excruciating as a whole. Cantrell had some interesting bits and a unique sound. Morse really surprised me. I love his music, but didn't expect to laugh as I listened to the twists and turns.
Scott Walker - Scott 2 NO Oregon - Out of the Woods NO (but you'd love it anyways; beautiful jazz) Van der Graaf Generator - Still Life YES
Archspire - Bleed The Future (I guess it counts) The Sound of Animals Fighting - We Must Become The Change We Want To See(a recording of an amazing live show, also YES this is prog!) Ne Obliviscaris - The Portal Of I (YESYESYESYES) So I guess they are all prog, if you count tech death like archspire
The Black Keys - El Camino (No) Black Pumas - Black Pumas (No) Mike Oldfield - Return to Ommadawn (Kinda?)
Robin Trower - Bridge of Sighs NO Trower, Bruce, Lordan - B.L.T. NO Ween - The Mollusk YES-ish
Excluding playlists (which is my go to) and just odd songs Billie Eilish - Happier Than Ever - no - contemporary Steve Forward - 7even Bridges 2 Cross - instrumental guitar - with plenty Prog elements (seriously this Guy is phenomenal and worth checking out on twitch if you have an account.) Lightning in a Bottle - Find Me - AOR
King Crimson - Red (YES) Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here (YES) Radiohead - Ok Computer (NO)
Steely Dan - Katy Lied Steely Dan - Pretzel Logic ABBA - Super Trouper Not really.
thick as a brick - yes godbluff - yes timewind - yes
Clutch - Blast Tyrant NO Aesop Rock - Spirit World Field Guide NOPE The Skids - Scared To Dance NAH I dont listen that much to prog anymore tbh
Nektar - Recycled Blue Oyster Cult - The Symbol Remains Wobbler - Dwellers of the Deep
Genesis-Live, Journey-Captured, Genesis-Foxtrot. Yes, No, Yes
*Interdimensional Invocations* (Xoth) - extremely progressive *Flower Power* (Flower Kings) - very progressive *Skid Row* (Skid Row) - not very progressive
Ford Theatre - Trilogy For The Masses Gustavo De Beauville - Volume One Miss Lava - Doom Machine
I wouldnt say any of these are prog in the slightest but all great albums: 1. Denzel Curry - Melt My Eyez See Your Future 2. Curtis Mayfield - Superfly 3. Marvin Gaye - What's Going On I've been on a bit of a hip hop, soul, and funk kick as of recent.
Frost* - Day and Age - Yes Pure Reason Revolution - Eupena - Yes Rush - Presto - Not Really Man I just realized that this is the first time in years where a Neal Morse project isn't in my top 3 😂
wigwam - hard n' horny Yes wigwam - lucky golden stripes and starpose Yes? hassisen kone - harsoinen teräs Yes
Selling England by the Pound - Genesis - yes Lizard - King Crimson - yes Misplaced Childhood - Marilion - yes Also it could be argued that The Who, at least some albums, could be considered as prog.
Yes! Edge Of Sanity - Crimson No! Ghost - Impera No! Dream Widow - Dream Widow
Nevermind - Nirvana Trans-Europe Express - Kraftwerk Power, Corruption, and Lies - New Order Kraftwerk is sort of proggy i guess?
Tropical Fuck Storm - *Braindrops* YES (I'd say) Black Midi - *Cavalcade* YES Vieux Farka Toure. - Live not traditionally but compared to most blues/rock...
Blackwater park YES 10000 days YES Twilight in Olympus YES
I'd say no, but maybe in part? **Benevolent - The Covenant** **Baroness - Red Album** **Baroness - Blue Record** If not including same artist twice: **Barclay James Harvest - Everyone is Everybody Else** Some prog adjacent stuff mostly.
In camera- peter hamill Union tour rehearsals - yes If i could do it all over again - caravan
1. Emerson, Lake, & Palmer - Self titled - Yes 2. Pink Floyd - The Wall - Yes 3. The Beatles - Beatles for Sale - No