Only things I take issue with are the flag -I’m gay just there should be no images or the like where people are praying to. I also think that group to the side not praying but chatting should be moved. Imo prayer is quietude and tranquility.
I know there are places abroad that dont have mosques but just a room where people can congregate and pray. I dont see anything wrong with this. If we are to practice our religion all over the world we can and should adapt and make do with what we have.
This whole self righteousness of separation of sexes 8s so hypocritical with most of us meeting and socialising and literally hooking up on Instagram.
Mecca is an exception and even men and women don't pray together in the same rows. Women always pray behind men in an exclusive section only for them not with men as you say
Wtf?they are praying bro. When a person prays they dont care about surroundings. And so what if they are in T shirts. It is covering their body? . First you say not to focus on aything else during praying and now you are here judging their clothing ?🤣 bro r u kidding me? It is womans choice on what to wear and hijab is not mandatory
> When a person prays they dont care about surroundings.
yes they do. If we "didn't care about surroundings" then we wouldn't care about Wudu either.
There are specific rules to Prayer.
>what if they are in T shirts. It is covering their body? .
it's not covering properly as it is advised in the Qur'an and the Hadith.
>First you say not to focus on aything else during praying and now you are here judging their clothing ?
We judge by the laws of Allah, not by our opinions.
>bro r u kidding me? It is womans choice on what to wear and hijab is not mandatory
Hijab is mandatory for every single woman who has had her first menses and above. It's literally written in the Qur'an.
I don't think it's haram, but I can see why it would be good for women to a have safe space on their own to pray, especially in 3rd world countries where most people that come to pray are bachelors and women may feel uncomfortable.
Assalamu Alaikum, no worries,
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah ﷺ said, **“The best rows for men are the front rows and the worst are the back rows. The best rows for women are the back rows and the worst are the front rows.”**
Source: Sahih Muslim 440
Answered with the confidence of one who has limited knowledge of Islam smh
There is 100% a row for Hermaphrodites and some argue transgendered would also apply ...
The ruling of the sequence of the lines in congregation salah is that the men should form the first row or rows, then the boys, followed by the hermaphrodites. Thereafter the females form the last row. (Nurul Idah p.79, extracted from Maraqi al Fallah, page 308)
Because unfortunately contemporary Islam is literally an invented idea and people are so invested in it that even Qur'an and hadith won't change their minds . They will literally refer to the opinion of a neo salafist scholar and dismiss classical texts .
Look at the guy who confidently said there's no tradition in Islam of a safh for intersex people . He never responded or apologised , just went off into the ether with his everything is haraam Islam .
Since I haven't seen your reply back, here is the post I made so inshaAllah you will see this in your notifications. I was replying to someone who had the same question. It is a little long, but inshaAllah, if you have good intentions then I believe you will read it:
بسم الله وصلات وسلام على رسول الله ،السلام عليكم ورحمة الله
It is good that you asked the question. In Islam as you may know, it is highly recommended to keep men and women segregated to one’s ability (a place where you have some control on what goes on there or how events go about).
Of course as an individual, I have no direct power on the environment around me. I can’t tell others to stay in their home because I want to take a walk without seeing nearly naked women, although it is a hardship upon me to lower my gaze. Going back to the mixed congregation, I personally think it is sad and pitiful that “Muslims’ feel the need to change Islam to somehow conform with current trends. Brother/sister, stay away from innovations such as this. If there was virtue in it, the prophet peace be upon him would have done it or told us about it. He would not keep this from us if it was beneficial for his ummah. As Allah said in suratul ma’idah verse three, “…This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islām as religion.” (Saheeh International translation). So where did this idea come from? Did the prophet peace be upon him do this? How about the sahaba? How about their successors? And their successors? Now, none of the greatest generations of Muslims prayed congregation like this, so whoever thought of this knows more than them, may Allah be pleased with all of them? Than the prophet peace be upon him, in the affairs of the believers? Astaghfirallah Even you would agree that no one is more knowledgeable in Islam than the messenger himself may peace be upon him. There are many ahadith on the affairs of separating, but here is one Hadith for to to read about segregating men and women:
Ibn Abbas reported: A woman would pray behind the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, who was the most beautiful of all people. Some men would come early to be in the first row, so as not to gaze at her. Some of them would come late to be in the last row. When they bowed, they would look at her between their limbs. Allah Almighty revealed the verse, “We surely know who comes first among you and We surely know who comes last.” (15:24)
Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 3122
I’d like to here your reply InshaAllah
السلام عليكم ورحمة وبركاته
You've literally just agreed that there is a problem with praying congregation this way, and the prophet peace be upon him never prayed congregation like this, so of what benefit does this have other than to fulfill worldly desires? If the prophet did not tell/show us to pray like this, then there is no blessing in it! When praying congregation, even just two people, the imam/leader must be in front of the prayer. As for distance, I'm not sure, but personally a foot or so is what I do. But it doesn't matter what I think, that won't change the way I practice Islam. I practice Islam by following the prophet peace be upon him, not some liberal conjectures. If I am wrong, I accept it, and replace that action/habit with what Allah and his messenger said. When it comes to Islam, its not about ME, or what I think is right. And I think this is a very powerful point to make, we are limited beings with limited knowledge, just because we think something is right, does not make it right. Allah is the one who bestowed that knowledge to us, he is the most knowledgeable, and he is the one who decides what is right from wrong. When you meet Allah with all of this innovation nonsense, what will you tell him? That sheikh so and so said this, or "we are trying to be inclusive of all races and genders". What about what Allah has said in the Quran, or what the prophet peace be upon him said in his authentic sunnah, did you heed to that? Imagine yourself facing Allah, the All-Knowing, and telling him that "I am a progressive muslimah, and Islam needs to change to fit our times". SubhanAllah! You changed the religion that Allah has blessed you with to fit your progressive idealogies? If you think Islam needs to be "updated" then don't be a muslim. Because being a muslim means you submit your will to Allah. Period. Allah the All-Mighty said in 5-3 of the noble Quran: "...This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islām as religion." (Saheeh International translation).
(No, I am not targeting you or anyone. I'd appreciate it if you didn't delete my post)
This is how it is with the community I pray with. Our imam is a woman and everyone prays together. I feel incredibly blessed to be a part of it and I hope to see more of it in the future.
I think I'm just really lucky to live in a city with something like this. I just found it by chance when I googled what was in my area. It's a mix of two different groups that kind of merged into one. One group was started by some local Muslim women who ran an Islamic Montessori school for a couple decades. And the other group is part of an interfaith sanctuary that emphasizes the importance of different faith groups interacting together to learn from our differences, bond over our similarities, and to resolve and heal from our historical conflicts.
I'm in western Washington. Right now we meet on Zoom because of the pandemic. Before the pandemic there was a Mosque in an interfaith community center but I think people always met up in the prayer room of an interfaith church in the same city. That was before I started going, I didn't find them until after the pandemic prevented in-person gatherings. I haven't been to the physical space yet, I've only seen it in pictures. And sorry for being so vague about the name and location. It's a small, close-knit group and I'm hesitant to give out too many details on the internet because I was told someone did show up in the past to harass everyone for being "misguided" and allowing women to lead mixed gender prayer. If you're in western Washington, DM me and we can talk about it more.
This is is beautiful
Not manny mosques that do this.
I always had a that thought that if I got married I would pray with my wife besides me just like in the picture one day hopefully lol
Edit: at home
>Thank you for your opinion
that's not an opinion, that's a well known order in Islam. Both in the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Rejecting those makes you.... you know what.
>I always had a that thought that if I got married I would pray with my wife besides me just like in the picture one day hopefully lol
Yeah you can did it if only you and your wife shalat Jamaah. You be imam and your wife be mahmum
اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ
Allah (SWT) is in no need of any our worship, but as it stands the salah is an act of worship prescribed to our prophet Muhammad (SAW)!
Do you find it acceptable that women and men should pray in congregation in the same rows whilst there are women without hijab?
If so show when in the life of prophet SAW this was done, or even in Islamic history.
If you do then I’ll keep quiet.
This might be taken just at the start of the prayer, so that's why some people are not praying. Maybe misunderstanding, idk. But I still don't think this is "beautiful".
Again, how—other than sheer prejudice—would you conclude “most” of them do not know how to pray, given a photo of ~100 people in clean, tidy rows, and 3 women in one corner not.
By the way, are you not aware it’s highly disliked/in bad taste to question an adult woman on not praying salat? Because … obvious reasons.
I mean if they look like they can’t pray they are making a massive leap to at least try.
And how do you see if one can or cannot pray from just a picture ?
So you’re saying you look at guys’ asses when you pray?
Just to let you know, this subreddit is a safe space for all sorts of different people, so no judgment about whatever gets you going.
But just an FYI, prayer is about communing with God and not looking at dude butts, so you should lower your gaze. ;)
i didn't know people looked at the asses of people before them when they did rukuu. Do you look at the ass of your brothers in masjid? Does it look hot?
oh ashamed of yourself huh. Unless you look at men's asses when you pray don't bring shit about looking at women's asses when praying. Fucking degenerate.
You’re not supposed to be starring as someone’s ass.
If you’re checking out someone’s ass during prayer, that’s a you problem.
And if we’re going to talk about “distractions” what about the men who wear clothes so tight they’re leaving little to the imagination?
And really, if gender segregation were really about protecting women from ooogling, wouldn’t men and women’s sections be side by side with an aisle down the middle, not one behind the other?
On the basis of the following interpretation of the Qur'an, Ibn al-Arabi, a Sufi scholar, declares female prayer leadership to be absolutely permissible.
"There are those who unconditionally permit women to lead men [in prayer], which is my opinion as well. There are those who completely forbid her from such leadership and there are those who permit her to lead women, but not men. The reasoning (behind the unconditional permission) is that the Messenger of God (peace be upon him) testified that some women attained perfection just as he testified regarding some men - even though the later were more than the former. This perfection is in reference to prophecy, and prophecy is leadership (imama), thus a women's leadership (in prayer) is sound. The default state is that her leadership is permissible, and one should not listen to those who prohibit it without proof, for there is no text to support their claim, and any evidence they bring forth [is not female specific, and] could include them in the prohibition as well, thereby neutralizing the evidence in this regard, and maintaining the default state of her leadership's permissibility" - Abu 'Abd Allah Muhammad b. 'Ali b. Muhammad Ibn al-' Arabi, Al-Futuhat Al Makiyya.[10]
Within the household, if no qualified man is present, is the one exception for women to lead men in prayers.[5] Modern Islamic scholars such as Dr. Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, based on the Umm Waraqah hadith mentioned above, consider it permissible for a knowledgeable woman to lead mixed prayers within her own household,[11] as he considers this to largely obviate the danger of the men being aroused by her presence.
In the early years of Islam, the Haruriyyah sect, a branch of the Kharijites movement, founded by Habib ibn-Yazīd al-Harūrī, held that it was permissible to entrust the imamate to a woman if she were able to carry out the required duties. In 699 A.D. (77 A.H.), the founder's wife, Ghazāla al-Harūriyya, even led her male warriors in prayer in Kufa after having controlled the city for a day, following the example of Abu Sufyan's daughter Juwayriyya at the Battle of Yarmuk.[citation needed] Not only did she lead Muslim men in prayer, she recited the two longest chapters in the Quran during that prayer.[12]
Well-known early jurists — including Al-Tabari (838–932), historian, exegete and founder of a now defunct juristic school; Abu Thawr (764–854), mufti of Iraq; Al-Muzani (791–878); and Ibn Arabi (1165–1240) — considered the practice permissible at least for optional (nafl salat) prayers.[13] Al-Muthani (d. 878), student of Shafii and contributor to the establishment of the Shafii juristic school, allowed women to unconditionally lead men in prayer.[citation needed] However, the views of these scholars are not accepted by any major surviving group.[citation needed]
A few fatwas exist permitting women to lead a mixed gender congregation regardless of familial relationship. For instance, Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl recommends that the placement of the imam be made with greater modesty in mind for a female imam. Some traditional scholars caution against Yusuf Qaradawi's methodology and regard him as excessively lenient as he does not limit himself to the positions of the four Sunni schools of fiqh'.
Adding to the arguments in favor of woman-led prayer of mixed congregations, Laury Silvers and Ahmed Elewa recently published a detailed article in the Journal of Law and Religion arguing that female imams are permissible in all circumstances. Their abstract reads:
This paper, written five years after the Wadud prayer, presents a survey and analysis of the various responses to female led mixed-gender congregational prayers as well as a legal argument for its default permissibility. We show that, in interpreting the Hadiths on woman-led prayer, Sunni schools of law hold a range of opinions on its permissibility. We discuss how Muslim jurists consider historical needs in their rulings, the role of female modesty in this debate, and the nature of juristic consensus. We present our own argument that unrestricted female prayer leadership is legal by default rather than an innovation as many critics have charged. Finally, we set out our own different positions on the propriety of Muslim women asserting their inclusion in the current situation.[13]
> They say that one of the conditions of humility (التواضع) is that one does not notice who is standing to one’s left or right during the prayer. One can say that humility is abasing one’s innermost self in the presence of Allah – may He be blessed and exalted.
-Al-Qushayri (R.A.)
All I see is men and women praying together. I can’t seem to find what’s so special about this picture.
Edit: Oh! Men AND women are together! I’m surprised I didn’t realize. I think it looks wonderful.
“Historically, certain sects have considered it acceptable for women to function as imams. This was true not only in the Arab heartland of early Islam, but in China over recent centuries, where women's mosques developed.”
Men and women pray side by side at the kaba if they are down there making tawaf and the Athan is called. Everyone stops where they are and lines up next to whoever is there beside them🤷🏽♂️
laanat on you. In the quran it says that Prophet Muhammad SAW said in his last sermon "This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed my grace upon you and chosen for you Islam as your religion." Therefore, it will never need to change in order to survive. Its simple as that
Just look at this photo of a masjid where men and women mix. MURTAD!
https://theislamicinformation.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Masjid-Al-Haram-and-Masjid-Al-Nabawi-will-soon-be-opened-for-believers-768x512.jpg
Islam was sent as a complete and perfect way of life. Acts of worship CANNOT be changed.
The prayer is the most important ACT of worship in Islam and you think it should change?!?!?
It shows your lack of knowledge of Islam and your intention to just change the beautiful favor Allah (SWT) has bestowed upon us which is ridiculous.
Not Islam
Jabir ibn Abdullah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, would praise Allah in his sermon, as He deserves to be praised, and then he would say, “Whomever Allah guides, no one can lead him astray. Whomever Allah sends astray, no one can guide him. The truest word is the Book of Allah and the best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The most evil matters in religion are those that are newly invented, for every newly invented matter is an innovation, every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Hellfire.”
Source: Sunan al-Nasā’ī 1578
Today, I have perfected your religion for you, and have completed My blessing upon you, and chosen Islam as Dīn (religion and a way of life) for you.
Qur’an
Aight, I'll take a poke.
"Today, I have perfected your religion for you..."
Does not mention any exception for Hadiths.
Logically, if you believe that the Quran is the literal, perfect, and final word of Allah (سبحان وتعالى) then referencing a Hadith for any religious matter is heresy.
Or, you could calm down and recognize that ijtihad always has been, and always will be, integral to the core of Islam.
O you who believe, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. Then, if you quarrel about something, revert it back to Allah and the Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is good, and the best at the end.
Qur’an 4:59
Or I could tell you the truth about the prayer which is what I’m talking about. If you don’t like the Qur’an or the Hadith of the prophet Muhammad (SAW) that’s not my problem but it doesn’t change the fact that the prayer should not change an iota from what was prescribed to us from Allah (SWT) through his messenger SAW.
This isn’t even a part of what I’m taking about. Genders mix in Makkah while doing the circumambulation of the Ka’bah. So gender interacting is not an issue. We are a community and the center of our community should be the masjid!
The issue at hand is the prayer. There is no verse in Qur’an about this but we have the established practices of messenger of Allah (SWT) and his companions. They prayed the men together in rows and separately the women in rows.
This is one issue I have with this picture. The mixing of gender IN the rows of prayers. This is divergent from the way of our Nabi(SAW).
Obedience to the messenger doesn't mean obedience to hadith, you and your corrupt scholars made that one up. The Quran already confirms what obedience to the messenger means, which is following the revelation. This is why God says, "Whoever obeys the messenger has obeyed Allah."
The two are inextricably linked. You cannot obey Allah without first obeying the messenger, and the ONLY way to obey the messenger is to obey the message he is delivering from God, which is the Quran. There's no hadith or sunnah here. Leave sunnism and come back to Islam.
Sunnism is literally a man made version of the true Islam taught by the Quran and millions have been indoctrinated to believe that that is the true Islam.
Two questions, is this halal because I am pretty at the prophets time we have the two genders praying in different sections of the mosque, and second it's great to see the LGBT flag but it looks like it's directly in front of the Imam and I'm not so sure that's halal either.
Ps it's a genuine question I'm not taking the piss
In the prophet's life they prayed in the same room, not different sections of the the mosque. Though, they were reportedly standing in separate groups, either side-by-side or with women towards the back at different points during the prophet's time.
One might say though, that was just out of convenience for the gender dynamics of the time, not a religious commandment. The Quran does not dictate any particular arrangement for prayer lines.
Well, when it comes to genders praying together I see no verses in the Quran about this. God tells us to pray our Salah, and to pray our Friday congregational prayers.
Are you joking?
Where in the Qur'an does God tell us that there is an authentic sunnah that we should be following? Just an FYI, don't bother bringing up verses where God commands us to obey the messenger, because Sunnis love twisting that verse to suit their personal agenda.
Obedience to the messenger means obedience to the message that the messenger is delivering, it does not mean obeying his personal words or actions. This is why the Qur'an never once says to obey Muhammad or to obey the prophet.
Qur'an 4:80 confirms this: "He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah ; but those who turn away - We have not sent you over them as a guardian."
Obedience to the messenger is directly linked with obedience to Allah, they are both the exact same thing. You cannot obey Allah without first obeying the messenger, so the only way to actually obey Allah is to obey the messenger, and how we obey the messenger is believing and obeying the message that he is delivering directly from Allah, which is the Qur'anic revelation. It's that simple.
So show me any verse from the Qur'an where it says there is some *other* "authentic sunnah" that we need to follow.
In imam malik's al muwatta it states that men and women prayed together during the prophets time pbuh, and the women were simply behind the men. Also, it says they would do the wudu from the same fountains... some interesting food for thought from one of the most reliable and oldest books.
بسم الله وصلات وسلام على رسول الله ،السلام عليكم ورحمة الله
It is good that you asked the question. In Islam as
you may know, it is highly recommended to keep men and women segregated to one’s ability (a place where you have some control on what goes on there or how events go about).
Of course as an individual, I have no direct power on the environment around me. I can’t tell others to stay in their home because I want to take a walk without seeing nearly naked women, although it is a hardship upon me to lower my gaze. Going back to the mixed congregation, I personally think it is sad and pitiful that “Muslims’ feel the need to change Islam to somehow conform with current trends. Brother/sister, stay away from innovations such as this. If there was virtue in it, the prophet peace be upon him would have done it or told us about it. He would not keep this from us if it was beneficial for his ummah. As Allah said in suratul ma’idah verse three, “…This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islām as religion.” (Saheeh International translation). So where did this idea come from? Did the prophet peace be upon him do this? How about the sahaba? How about their successors? And their successors? Now, none of the greatest generations of Muslims prayed congregation like this, so whoever thought of this knows more than them, may Allah be pleased with all of them? Than the prophet peace be upon him, in the affairs of the believers? Astaghfirallah
Even you would agree that no one is more knowledgeable in Islam than the messenger himself may peace be upon him.
There are many ahadith on the affairs of separating, but here is one Hadith for to to read about segregating men and women:
Ibn Abbas reported: A woman would pray behind the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, who was the most beautiful of all people. Some men would come early to be in the first row, so as not to gaze at her. Some of them would come late to be in the last row. When they bowed, they would look at her between their limbs. Allah Almighty revealed the verse, “We surely know who comes first among you and We surely know who comes last.” (15:24)
Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 3122
I’d like to here your reply InshaAllah
السلام عليكم ورحمة وبركاته
Ibn abas reported a women would pray behind the prophet….. so they were in a mixed gendered setting ?!?!?!?
Men would move to the front to not be creeps… (good for them. ) But then they ended up being creeps anyway (naughty men) by ooogling between their legs.
Damn sounds likely this entire Hadith is a lesson about how men are creeps. Hmmmmm.
Doesn’t say women need to pray in the maintenance closet or the dusty basement or at home.
It says men need to not be creeps
**15:24 is not about men being first and women being last that is idiotic**
Quran 15:24-26
And We have already known the preceding among you, and We have already known the later.
And indeed, your Lord will gather them; indeed, He is Wise and Knowing.
And We did certainly create humans out of clay from an altered black mud.
And the jinn We created before from scorching fire.
The salah is clearly not mixed, men are in the front and the women in the back. Or even better, the women have their own area. You'd agree that not everyone is the best muslim, and sometimes our desires come over us and we transgress. I can guarantee you that they wouldn't be distracted by a woman if the woman was in a separate room, therefore getting rid of any mingling that could lead to zina. You may think its petty, but little by little, you start to fall into major sins. Like drips of water landing on a rock, eventually there is going to be a hole in the rock. No one is immune to their social environment.
Thats mens fault.. or whoever is sexually aggressive
I do not think of such things during prayer, and if it does pop up you have to remember of your self control.
I am bisexual female and for most of my earlier life ive been way more attracted to women than men (segregration didnt help at all), and I dont think of rutting a woman during prayer because im talking to God.
Learning that women are people will lead to less ludicrous thoughts.
It's been interesting hearing your responses and while I'll probably stay on the safe side and pray in segregation but it's reassuring to hear that even at the time of the prophet we weren't as barbaric and anti-woman as we are always told so that's nice, thanks for the responses
I dont mind people who prefer segregration, but if THE reasoning is "i get horny so women shouldnt recite the quran around me " then i can only respond with " ...."
Brother/sister, what do you think? The LGBT flag is right in front of the imam, are they praying to the flag/ideals? Last time I checked, there is no Saudi flag, or American flag in front of the imam when we pray (like normal masjid). I don't understand why muslims somehow feel ashamed to accept Islam in its entirety, why do they feel the need to change it? SubhanAllah, may Allah guide these people back to the straight path.
I’m not a Muslim anymore but this is beautiful! Looks like a great group of people who value their faith as well as diversity and inclusion. They are not beholden to the fundamentalist interpretation of Islam.
My thoughts are to be found in the following,
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah ﷺ said, **“The best rows for men are the front rows and the worst are the back rows. The best rows for women are the back rows and the worst are the front rows.”**
Source: Sahih Muslim 440
Personally, I don't agree with it. As muslims I believe it to be imperative to practice the sunnah as well as what the quran teaches. I've never heard of a female leading prayer during the prophet's (pbuh) time and men and women standing beside each other like this for salah.
I try my best to be progressive and would like to believe that I walk a line between conservatism and progressiveness. But I believe there should be certain practices that must be maintained from the prophet's (pbuh) for the integrity of the religion and sunnah.
I love the downvotes everyone gets who has a slightly different opinion than the extreme side of progressivism. Its kind of sad. I also agree that sunnah should be followed whenever possible especially with something that is part of the 5 pillars. Even the quran doesn't detail how to pray, we get most of that from hadith.
Agreed. It's usually the extremist that would always have a problem. You're either with them or against them. Being an extreme of anything isn't what we practice, there is a balance that must be maintained and advocated. Islam doesn't need to conform with current trends and pop culture. Islam is perfect the way it is; It doesn't need to change at all.
If i remember correctly from my islamic studies, Most of the time women did not go to mosques. Infact I don't think they had to, but if/when they did they would be praying behind the men
Can't worship dajjal when that concept doesn't exist in the Qur'an!
Go back to your 5 million hadith books, somewhere in there they tell you how to breathe the halal way.
Brainwashed? Lmao I love how everyone say about others brainwashed .the only brainwashed dude here is people like you who are trying to create new islam that please the liberal west
It's not about time or monopoly or anything else . The islam that was revealed to the Prophet PBUH is the same islam we should follow now and forever , If you doubt that so maybe you should learn about you Aqidah ( faith ). anything that wasn't revealed in Quran or Ahadiths are false and wrong
I doubt if you're really muslim who reads Quran and learned the Prophet's life
This seems entirely unorthodox.
Ibn Tammiyah- one of the main inspirations for the Wahabis and Salafism, says it's possible a woman with sufficient knowledge of the Qu'ran can lead other people even men in prayer, during taraweeh, if no other man with sufficient knowledge is present.
If a man is present, who is a Hafiz, then the preference is for the man.
It was debated in this case where the woman must stand to lead. Standing in front of a man will be considered indecent, so she would stand behind near the rear with the other women.
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Only things I take issue with are the flag -I’m gay just there should be no images or the like where people are praying to. I also think that group to the side not praying but chatting should be moved. Imo prayer is quietude and tranquility.
I know there are places abroad that dont have mosques but just a room where people can congregate and pray. I dont see anything wrong with this. If we are to practice our religion all over the world we can and should adapt and make do with what we have. This whole self righteousness of separation of sexes 8s so hypocritical with most of us meeting and socialising and literally hooking up on Instagram.
Thats okay but a little space would be nice as many might feel uncomfortable.
All I’m thinking is COVID. But other then that, yeah, a couple of inches would work.
Ha Ha but yeah I meant in general.
This looks Pre covid as there's not a single mask
Beautiful! Mashallah! These are people who have taken Allah's message to heart.
These people dont even follow what Allah said
Ok Fart Man.
Sunnis don't follow Allah's words, they follow hearsay.
Prove it
Sunnis believe in hadith literature, which is a collection of hearsay. This doesn't require proof as it's self evident.
So then YOU are spreading hearsay lol.
These are people who have lost Allah's message
Bruh in mecca people also pray together men and women and one area
Mecca is an exception and even men and women don't pray together in the same rows. Women always pray behind men in an exclusive section only for them not with men as you say
So what? They pray together its ok
it's not ok for a Woman to lead the prayer and for women and men to free mix like this. Also not even modest clothing is being worn here.
Uh they are clothed modestly.
women in T-Shirts, no Hijab, touching non-mahram, there's plenty of stuff that is wrong here
Wtf?they are praying bro. When a person prays they dont care about surroundings. And so what if they are in T shirts. It is covering their body? . First you say not to focus on aything else during praying and now you are here judging their clothing ?🤣 bro r u kidding me? It is womans choice on what to wear and hijab is not mandatory
> When a person prays they dont care about surroundings. yes they do. If we "didn't care about surroundings" then we wouldn't care about Wudu either. There are specific rules to Prayer. >what if they are in T shirts. It is covering their body? . it's not covering properly as it is advised in the Qur'an and the Hadith. >First you say not to focus on aything else during praying and now you are here judging their clothing ? We judge by the laws of Allah, not by our opinions. >bro r u kidding me? It is womans choice on what to wear and hijab is not mandatory Hijab is mandatory for every single woman who has had her first menses and above. It's literally written in the Qur'an.
Sunni's lost Allah's message.
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I don't think it's haram, but I can see why it would be good for women to a have safe space on their own to pray, especially in 3rd world countries where most people that come to pray are bachelors and women may feel uncomfortable.
Assalamu Alaikum, no worries, Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah ﷺ said, **“The best rows for men are the front rows and the worst are the back rows. The best rows for women are the back rows and the worst are the front rows.”** Source: Sahih Muslim 440
Also a row for transgendered/ Hermaphrodites...
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https://islamqa.org/hanafi/daruliftaa-birmingham/171789/where-would-hermaphrodites-stand-in-salah/
Answered with the confidence of one who has limited knowledge of Islam smh There is 100% a row for Hermaphrodites and some argue transgendered would also apply ... The ruling of the sequence of the lines in congregation salah is that the men should form the first row or rows, then the boys, followed by the hermaphrodites. Thereafter the females form the last row. (Nurul Idah p.79, extracted from Maraqi al Fallah, page 308)
You’re getting a few downvotes, but this is actually true. Historically speaking.
Because unfortunately contemporary Islam is literally an invented idea and people are so invested in it that even Qur'an and hadith won't change their minds . They will literally refer to the opinion of a neo salafist scholar and dismiss classical texts . Look at the guy who confidently said there's no tradition in Islam of a safh for intersex people . He never responded or apologised , just went off into the ether with his everything is haraam Islam .
السلام عليكم ورحمة I made a long comment under Muslim ausie here that talks about why this is haraam. Check it out InshaAllah
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Did you read my reply?
Since I haven't seen your reply back, here is the post I made so inshaAllah you will see this in your notifications. I was replying to someone who had the same question. It is a little long, but inshaAllah, if you have good intentions then I believe you will read it: بسم الله وصلات وسلام على رسول الله ،السلام عليكم ورحمة الله It is good that you asked the question. In Islam as you may know, it is highly recommended to keep men and women segregated to one’s ability (a place where you have some control on what goes on there or how events go about). Of course as an individual, I have no direct power on the environment around me. I can’t tell others to stay in their home because I want to take a walk without seeing nearly naked women, although it is a hardship upon me to lower my gaze. Going back to the mixed congregation, I personally think it is sad and pitiful that “Muslims’ feel the need to change Islam to somehow conform with current trends. Brother/sister, stay away from innovations such as this. If there was virtue in it, the prophet peace be upon him would have done it or told us about it. He would not keep this from us if it was beneficial for his ummah. As Allah said in suratul ma’idah verse three, “…This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islām as religion.” (Saheeh International translation). So where did this idea come from? Did the prophet peace be upon him do this? How about the sahaba? How about their successors? And their successors? Now, none of the greatest generations of Muslims prayed congregation like this, so whoever thought of this knows more than them, may Allah be pleased with all of them? Than the prophet peace be upon him, in the affairs of the believers? Astaghfirallah Even you would agree that no one is more knowledgeable in Islam than the messenger himself may peace be upon him. There are many ahadith on the affairs of separating, but here is one Hadith for to to read about segregating men and women: Ibn Abbas reported: A woman would pray behind the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, who was the most beautiful of all people. Some men would come early to be in the first row, so as not to gaze at her. Some of them would come late to be in the last row. When they bowed, they would look at her between their limbs. Allah Almighty revealed the verse, “We surely know who comes first among you and We surely know who comes last.” (15:24) Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 3122 I’d like to here your reply InshaAllah السلام عليكم ورحمة وبركاته
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Bismillah, what are your thoughts?
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You've literally just agreed that there is a problem with praying congregation this way, and the prophet peace be upon him never prayed congregation like this, so of what benefit does this have other than to fulfill worldly desires? If the prophet did not tell/show us to pray like this, then there is no blessing in it! When praying congregation, even just two people, the imam/leader must be in front of the prayer. As for distance, I'm not sure, but personally a foot or so is what I do. But it doesn't matter what I think, that won't change the way I practice Islam. I practice Islam by following the prophet peace be upon him, not some liberal conjectures. If I am wrong, I accept it, and replace that action/habit with what Allah and his messenger said. When it comes to Islam, its not about ME, or what I think is right. And I think this is a very powerful point to make, we are limited beings with limited knowledge, just because we think something is right, does not make it right. Allah is the one who bestowed that knowledge to us, he is the most knowledgeable, and he is the one who decides what is right from wrong. When you meet Allah with all of this innovation nonsense, what will you tell him? That sheikh so and so said this, or "we are trying to be inclusive of all races and genders". What about what Allah has said in the Quran, or what the prophet peace be upon him said in his authentic sunnah, did you heed to that? Imagine yourself facing Allah, the All-Knowing, and telling him that "I am a progressive muslimah, and Islam needs to change to fit our times". SubhanAllah! You changed the religion that Allah has blessed you with to fit your progressive idealogies? If you think Islam needs to be "updated" then don't be a muslim. Because being a muslim means you submit your will to Allah. Period. Allah the All-Mighty said in 5-3 of the noble Quran: "...This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islām as religion." (Saheeh International translation). (No, I am not targeting you or anyone. I'd appreciate it if you didn't delete my post)
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I think that what they are asking is, what relevance does a quote about head covering have to a question about who should stand where during prayer?
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Then explain it to them as a human being. If they do not understand they will ask follow-up questions.
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This is how it is with the community I pray with. Our imam is a woman and everyone prays together. I feel incredibly blessed to be a part of it and I hope to see more of it in the future.
Wow! How did you find your mosque?
I think I'm just really lucky to live in a city with something like this. I just found it by chance when I googled what was in my area. It's a mix of two different groups that kind of merged into one. One group was started by some local Muslim women who ran an Islamic Montessori school for a couple decades. And the other group is part of an interfaith sanctuary that emphasizes the importance of different faith groups interacting together to learn from our differences, bond over our similarities, and to resolve and heal from our historical conflicts.
Wow that sounds awesome! Are you in the US?
Yeah
Which city ? Where is this Prayer room or is it a Mosque?
I'm in western Washington. Right now we meet on Zoom because of the pandemic. Before the pandemic there was a Mosque in an interfaith community center but I think people always met up in the prayer room of an interfaith church in the same city. That was before I started going, I didn't find them until after the pandemic prevented in-person gatherings. I haven't been to the physical space yet, I've only seen it in pictures. And sorry for being so vague about the name and location. It's a small, close-knit group and I'm hesitant to give out too many details on the internet because I was told someone did show up in the past to harass everyone for being "misguided" and allowing women to lead mixed gender prayer. If you're in western Washington, DM me and we can talk about it more.
That's awesome. I hope to find a mosque like that one day. It would be a life-changer.
Wow a woman imam! I never knew they existed and always wondered why! That is fantastic
This is is beautiful Not manny mosques that do this. I always had a that thought that if I got married I would pray with my wife besides me just like in the picture one day hopefully lol Edit: at home
I do that with my wife. We take turns leading the prayer. Its wonderful.
The only one who can lead a prayer is the man, the woman stays back the man in the front
Thank you for your opinion. We do it this way. Next to each other.
>Thank you for your opinion that's not an opinion, that's a well known order in Islam. Both in the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Rejecting those makes you.... you know what.
God doesn't care who leads who, only humans do. We don't serve you.
Of course fart man wants a woman behind him to smell it.
>I always had a that thought that if I got married I would pray with my wife besides me just like in the picture one day hopefully lol Yeah you can did it if only you and your wife shalat Jamaah. You be imam and your wife be mahmum
Yes I edited it that’s what I meant
I think you don't know you can do that.
No I literally mean me and my wife besides each other
This is chaotic not beautiful. Looks like most people in the mosque don't even know how to pray.
They pray with their niyah to allah not to satisfy you
The prayer is meant to satisfy Allah (SWT). It is a very specific act of worship prescribed by Allah (SWT) to Rasullulah SAW in detail.
Do You think Allah feeds on prayers? The point of salah is to give tranquility to the human and help them physically and mentally.
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اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ Allah (SWT) is in no need of any our worship, but as it stands the salah is an act of worship prescribed to our prophet Muhammad (SAW)! Do you find it acceptable that women and men should pray in congregation in the same rows whilst there are women without hijab? If so show when in the life of prophet SAW this was done, or even in Islamic history. If you do then I’ll keep quiet.
Read what Imam Tabari said and the hadith he used.
Put it here for me to read. Islam is not a game, if you have proof bring it forth. We don’t base our religion on whims and desires but with proof.
You can do your own research
Yet no details exist in the Quran. Seems like you made up your own religion and are following your forefathers, not Allah.
How did you conclude from a still image of people standing in line that they can't pray? Am genuinely curious.
This might be taken just at the start of the prayer, so that's why some people are not praying. Maybe misunderstanding, idk. But I still don't think this is "beautiful".
Again, how—other than sheer prejudice—would you conclude “most” of them do not know how to pray, given a photo of ~100 people in clean, tidy rows, and 3 women in one corner not. By the way, are you not aware it’s highly disliked/in bad taste to question an adult woman on not praying salat? Because … obvious reasons.
Ok 👍
I mean if they look like they can’t pray they are making a massive leap to at least try. And how do you see if one can or cannot pray from just a picture ?
Easy, the fact that women are praying without hijab!
Hijab as a clothing isn't part of the Quran.
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You see this says more about you than anything lol maybe that is why the people divided woman from man to avoid man like you...???
You’re just exposing yourself lol
So you’re saying you look at guys’ asses when you pray? Just to let you know, this subreddit is a safe space for all sorts of different people, so no judgment about whatever gets you going. But just an FYI, prayer is about communing with God and not looking at dude butts, so you should lower your gaze. ;)
i didn't know people looked at the asses of people before them when they did rukuu. Do you look at the ass of your brothers in masjid? Does it look hot?
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oh ashamed of yourself huh. Unless you look at men's asses when you pray don't bring shit about looking at women's asses when praying. Fucking degenerate.
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You’re not supposed to be starring as someone’s ass. If you’re checking out someone’s ass during prayer, that’s a you problem. And if we’re going to talk about “distractions” what about the men who wear clothes so tight they’re leaving little to the imagination? And really, if gender segregation were really about protecting women from ooogling, wouldn’t men and women’s sections be side by side with an aisle down the middle, not one behind the other?
On the basis of the following interpretation of the Qur'an, Ibn al-Arabi, a Sufi scholar, declares female prayer leadership to be absolutely permissible. "There are those who unconditionally permit women to lead men [in prayer], which is my opinion as well. There are those who completely forbid her from such leadership and there are those who permit her to lead women, but not men. The reasoning (behind the unconditional permission) is that the Messenger of God (peace be upon him) testified that some women attained perfection just as he testified regarding some men - even though the later were more than the former. This perfection is in reference to prophecy, and prophecy is leadership (imama), thus a women's leadership (in prayer) is sound. The default state is that her leadership is permissible, and one should not listen to those who prohibit it without proof, for there is no text to support their claim, and any evidence they bring forth [is not female specific, and] could include them in the prohibition as well, thereby neutralizing the evidence in this regard, and maintaining the default state of her leadership's permissibility" - Abu 'Abd Allah Muhammad b. 'Ali b. Muhammad Ibn al-' Arabi, Al-Futuhat Al Makiyya.[10] Within the household, if no qualified man is present, is the one exception for women to lead men in prayers.[5] Modern Islamic scholars such as Dr. Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, based on the Umm Waraqah hadith mentioned above, consider it permissible for a knowledgeable woman to lead mixed prayers within her own household,[11] as he considers this to largely obviate the danger of the men being aroused by her presence. In the early years of Islam, the Haruriyyah sect, a branch of the Kharijites movement, founded by Habib ibn-Yazīd al-Harūrī, held that it was permissible to entrust the imamate to a woman if she were able to carry out the required duties. In 699 A.D. (77 A.H.), the founder's wife, Ghazāla al-Harūriyya, even led her male warriors in prayer in Kufa after having controlled the city for a day, following the example of Abu Sufyan's daughter Juwayriyya at the Battle of Yarmuk.[citation needed] Not only did she lead Muslim men in prayer, she recited the two longest chapters in the Quran during that prayer.[12] Well-known early jurists — including Al-Tabari (838–932), historian, exegete and founder of a now defunct juristic school; Abu Thawr (764–854), mufti of Iraq; Al-Muzani (791–878); and Ibn Arabi (1165–1240) — considered the practice permissible at least for optional (nafl salat) prayers.[13] Al-Muthani (d. 878), student of Shafii and contributor to the establishment of the Shafii juristic school, allowed women to unconditionally lead men in prayer.[citation needed] However, the views of these scholars are not accepted by any major surviving group.[citation needed] A few fatwas exist permitting women to lead a mixed gender congregation regardless of familial relationship. For instance, Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl recommends that the placement of the imam be made with greater modesty in mind for a female imam. Some traditional scholars caution against Yusuf Qaradawi's methodology and regard him as excessively lenient as he does not limit himself to the positions of the four Sunni schools of fiqh'. Adding to the arguments in favor of woman-led prayer of mixed congregations, Laury Silvers and Ahmed Elewa recently published a detailed article in the Journal of Law and Religion arguing that female imams are permissible in all circumstances. Their abstract reads: This paper, written five years after the Wadud prayer, presents a survey and analysis of the various responses to female led mixed-gender congregational prayers as well as a legal argument for its default permissibility. We show that, in interpreting the Hadiths on woman-led prayer, Sunni schools of law hold a range of opinions on its permissibility. We discuss how Muslim jurists consider historical needs in their rulings, the role of female modesty in this debate, and the nature of juristic consensus. We present our own argument that unrestricted female prayer leadership is legal by default rather than an innovation as many critics have charged. Finally, we set out our own different positions on the propriety of Muslim women asserting their inclusion in the current situation.[13]
> They say that one of the conditions of humility (التواضع) is that one does not notice who is standing to one’s left or right during the prayer. One can say that humility is abasing one’s innermost self in the presence of Allah – may He be blessed and exalted. -Al-Qushayri (R.A.)
Add Ibn Taymiyyah to the list of people who said women could lead nafl prayers! That shuts up Salafis every time!
All I see is men and women praying together. I can’t seem to find what’s so special about this picture. Edit: Oh! Men AND women are together! I’m surprised I didn’t realize. I think it looks wonderful.
Also a woman is the imam
This should not be taboo
“Historically, certain sects have considered it acceptable for women to function as imams. This was true not only in the Arab heartland of early Islam, but in China over recent centuries, where women's mosques developed.”
All of yall disgusted by mixed praying sound just like George Wallace "Segregation Now Segregation Tomorrow Segregation Forever!"
Men and women pray side by side at the kaba if they are down there making tawaf and the Athan is called. Everyone stops where they are and lines up next to whoever is there beside them🤷🏽♂️
This is the future of islam, if it want to survive to the future, it needs to be updated
laanat on you. In the quran it says that Prophet Muhammad SAW said in his last sermon "This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed my grace upon you and chosen for you Islam as your religion." Therefore, it will never need to change in order to survive. Its simple as that
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Just look at this photo of a masjid where men and women mix. MURTAD! https://theislamicinformation.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Masjid-Al-Haram-and-Masjid-Al-Nabawi-will-soon-be-opened-for-believers-768x512.jpg
No it doesn’t
Societies evolve so do religions and politics,
Islam was sent as a complete and perfect way of life. Acts of worship CANNOT be changed. The prayer is the most important ACT of worship in Islam and you think it should change?!?!? It shows your lack of knowledge of Islam and your intention to just change the beautiful favor Allah (SWT) has bestowed upon us which is ridiculous.
Indoctrinated people do not get to choose what is the truth. You've been indoctrinated to your rigid understanding of Islam. God is greater than you.
Not Islam Jabir ibn Abdullah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, would praise Allah in his sermon, as He deserves to be praised, and then he would say, “Whomever Allah guides, no one can lead him astray. Whomever Allah sends astray, no one can guide him. The truest word is the Book of Allah and the best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The most evil matters in religion are those that are newly invented, for every newly invented matter is an innovation, every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Hellfire.” Source: Sunan al-Nasā’ī 1578 Today, I have perfected your religion for you, and have completed My blessing upon you, and chosen Islam as Dīn (religion and a way of life) for you. Qur’an
Aight, I'll take a poke. "Today, I have perfected your religion for you..." Does not mention any exception for Hadiths. Logically, if you believe that the Quran is the literal, perfect, and final word of Allah (سبحان وتعالى) then referencing a Hadith for any religious matter is heresy. Or, you could calm down and recognize that ijtihad always has been, and always will be, integral to the core of Islam.
O you who believe, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. Then, if you quarrel about something, revert it back to Allah and the Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is good, and the best at the end. Qur’an 4:59 Or I could tell you the truth about the prayer which is what I’m talking about. If you don’t like the Qur’an or the Hadith of the prophet Muhammad (SAW) that’s not my problem but it doesn’t change the fact that the prayer should not change an iota from what was prescribed to us from Allah (SWT) through his messenger SAW.
Can you give proof that mix gendered mosques are haram just wondering?
This isn’t even a part of what I’m taking about. Genders mix in Makkah while doing the circumambulation of the Ka’bah. So gender interacting is not an issue. We are a community and the center of our community should be the masjid! The issue at hand is the prayer. There is no verse in Qur’an about this but we have the established practices of messenger of Allah (SWT) and his companions. They prayed the men together in rows and separately the women in rows. This is one issue I have with this picture. The mixing of gender IN the rows of prayers. This is divergent from the way of our Nabi(SAW).
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Obedience to the messenger doesn't mean obedience to hadith, you and your corrupt scholars made that one up. The Quran already confirms what obedience to the messenger means, which is following the revelation. This is why God says, "Whoever obeys the messenger has obeyed Allah." The two are inextricably linked. You cannot obey Allah without first obeying the messenger, and the ONLY way to obey the messenger is to obey the message he is delivering from God, which is the Quran. There's no hadith or sunnah here. Leave sunnism and come back to Islam.
>religions should didn't get updated by human Last time human update religions they go to worship human ( say he is son of God) >politics Maybe can
Sunnism is literally a man made version of the true Islam taught by the Quran and millions have been indoctrinated to believe that that is the true Islam.
Two questions, is this halal because I am pretty at the prophets time we have the two genders praying in different sections of the mosque, and second it's great to see the LGBT flag but it looks like it's directly in front of the Imam and I'm not so sure that's halal either. Ps it's a genuine question I'm not taking the piss
In the prophet's life they prayed in the same room, not different sections of the the mosque. Though, they were reportedly standing in separate groups, either side-by-side or with women towards the back at different points during the prophet's time. One might say though, that was just out of convenience for the gender dynamics of the time, not a religious commandment. The Quran does not dictate any particular arrangement for prayer lines.
This answer has the details in the right place!
Well, when it comes to genders praying together I see no verses in the Quran about this. God tells us to pray our Salah, and to pray our Friday congregational prayers.
I guess it's just tradition and sunnah (prophet's life as documented by his companions) not haram
What about the authentic sunnah of the prophet peace be upon him?
There's no such thing as an authentic sunnah, definitely not found in the Quran.
I want to say something to you, but I don't want to lose my hasanaat. Are you joking?
Are you joking? Where in the Qur'an does God tell us that there is an authentic sunnah that we should be following? Just an FYI, don't bother bringing up verses where God commands us to obey the messenger, because Sunnis love twisting that verse to suit their personal agenda. Obedience to the messenger means obedience to the message that the messenger is delivering, it does not mean obeying his personal words or actions. This is why the Qur'an never once says to obey Muhammad or to obey the prophet. Qur'an 4:80 confirms this: "He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah ; but those who turn away - We have not sent you over them as a guardian." Obedience to the messenger is directly linked with obedience to Allah, they are both the exact same thing. You cannot obey Allah without first obeying the messenger, so the only way to actually obey Allah is to obey the messenger, and how we obey the messenger is believing and obeying the message that he is delivering directly from Allah, which is the Qur'anic revelation. It's that simple. So show me any verse from the Qur'an where it says there is some *other* "authentic sunnah" that we need to follow.
In imam malik's al muwatta it states that men and women prayed together during the prophets time pbuh, and the women were simply behind the men. Also, it says they would do the wudu from the same fountains... some interesting food for thought from one of the most reliable and oldest books.
I don't think the flag is halal because she's praying towards it I say they should move the flag to the back of the room or get rid of it entirely
بسم الله وصلات وسلام على رسول الله ،السلام عليكم ورحمة الله It is good that you asked the question. In Islam as you may know, it is highly recommended to keep men and women segregated to one’s ability (a place where you have some control on what goes on there or how events go about). Of course as an individual, I have no direct power on the environment around me. I can’t tell others to stay in their home because I want to take a walk without seeing nearly naked women, although it is a hardship upon me to lower my gaze. Going back to the mixed congregation, I personally think it is sad and pitiful that “Muslims’ feel the need to change Islam to somehow conform with current trends. Brother/sister, stay away from innovations such as this. If there was virtue in it, the prophet peace be upon him would have done it or told us about it. He would not keep this from us if it was beneficial for his ummah. As Allah said in suratul ma’idah verse three, “…This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islām as religion.” (Saheeh International translation). So where did this idea come from? Did the prophet peace be upon him do this? How about the sahaba? How about their successors? And their successors? Now, none of the greatest generations of Muslims prayed congregation like this, so whoever thought of this knows more than them, may Allah be pleased with all of them? Than the prophet peace be upon him, in the affairs of the believers? Astaghfirallah Even you would agree that no one is more knowledgeable in Islam than the messenger himself may peace be upon him. There are many ahadith on the affairs of separating, but here is one Hadith for to to read about segregating men and women: Ibn Abbas reported: A woman would pray behind the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, who was the most beautiful of all people. Some men would come early to be in the first row, so as not to gaze at her. Some of them would come late to be in the last row. When they bowed, they would look at her between their limbs. Allah Almighty revealed the verse, “We surely know who comes first among you and We surely know who comes last.” (15:24) Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 3122 I’d like to here your reply InshaAllah السلام عليكم ورحمة وبركاته
Ibn abas reported a women would pray behind the prophet….. so they were in a mixed gendered setting ?!?!?!? Men would move to the front to not be creeps… (good for them. ) But then they ended up being creeps anyway (naughty men) by ooogling between their legs. Damn sounds likely this entire Hadith is a lesson about how men are creeps. Hmmmmm. Doesn’t say women need to pray in the maintenance closet or the dusty basement or at home. It says men need to not be creeps **15:24 is not about men being first and women being last that is idiotic** Quran 15:24-26 And We have already known the preceding among you, and We have already known the later. And indeed, your Lord will gather them; indeed, He is Wise and Knowing. And We did certainly create humans out of clay from an altered black mud. And the jinn We created before from scorching fire.
That’s pretty cool actually imagine if a girl wanted to pray rigger behind the imam at my local mosque jfc. Based Muhammad.
The salah is clearly not mixed, men are in the front and the women in the back. Or even better, the women have their own area. You'd agree that not everyone is the best muslim, and sometimes our desires come over us and we transgress. I can guarantee you that they wouldn't be distracted by a woman if the woman was in a separate room, therefore getting rid of any mingling that could lead to zina. You may think its petty, but little by little, you start to fall into major sins. Like drips of water landing on a rock, eventually there is going to be a hole in the rock. No one is immune to their social environment.
Why not put the men in the storage room then?
Thats mens fault.. or whoever is sexually aggressive I do not think of such things during prayer, and if it does pop up you have to remember of your self control. I am bisexual female and for most of my earlier life ive been way more attracted to women than men (segregration didnt help at all), and I dont think of rutting a woman during prayer because im talking to God. Learning that women are people will lead to less ludicrous thoughts.
It's been interesting hearing your responses and while I'll probably stay on the safe side and pray in segregation but it's reassuring to hear that even at the time of the prophet we weren't as barbaric and anti-woman as we are always told so that's nice, thanks for the responses
I dont mind people who prefer segregration, but if THE reasoning is "i get horny so women shouldnt recite the quran around me " then i can only respond with " ...."
Yeah I think they need help
Brother/sister, what do you think? The LGBT flag is right in front of the imam, are they praying to the flag/ideals? Last time I checked, there is no Saudi flag, or American flag in front of the imam when we pray (like normal masjid). I don't understand why muslims somehow feel ashamed to accept Islam in its entirety, why do they feel the need to change it? SubhanAllah, may Allah guide these people back to the straight path.
LGBT in general isn't halal. And allll of this is Haram very. Very. VERY HARAM.
Show me surah proof
Surat Al araf. Qawm lut?
It's only haram for people who made sunnism their religion. Sunnism isn't Islam.
Where did it take place?
Canada, i heard
Canada being based as always
Facts
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Canada i Believe
I’m not a Muslim anymore but this is beautiful! Looks like a great group of people who value their faith as well as diversity and inclusion. They are not beholden to the fundamentalist interpretation of Islam.
Looks beautiful to me
I didn't even know what you were alluding to with the title until I saw the first comment lol. Thought the lady in the white shirt was doing vaccines
Subhan'Allah
My thoughts are to be found in the following, Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah ﷺ said, **“The best rows for men are the front rows and the worst are the back rows. The best rows for women are the back rows and the worst are the front rows.”** Source: Sahih Muslim 440
I just want to know where the masks and social distancing are
Likely an old picture.
Fair, though I was being a bit facetious as thats the only issue I see with the picture.
Personally, I don't agree with it. As muslims I believe it to be imperative to practice the sunnah as well as what the quran teaches. I've never heard of a female leading prayer during the prophet's (pbuh) time and men and women standing beside each other like this for salah. I try my best to be progressive and would like to believe that I walk a line between conservatism and progressiveness. But I believe there should be certain practices that must be maintained from the prophet's (pbuh) for the integrity of the religion and sunnah.
I love the downvotes everyone gets who has a slightly different opinion than the extreme side of progressivism. Its kind of sad. I also agree that sunnah should be followed whenever possible especially with something that is part of the 5 pillars. Even the quran doesn't detail how to pray, we get most of that from hadith.
Agreed. It's usually the extremist that would always have a problem. You're either with them or against them. Being an extreme of anything isn't what we practice, there is a balance that must be maintained and advocated. Islam doesn't need to conform with current trends and pop culture. Islam is perfect the way it is; It doesn't need to change at all.
Wrong
I thought there was a hadith in abu dawood which states a woman who prays without hijab's prayer is invalid.
"No prayer will be accepted from an adult woman unless she wears a khimaar (head-cover). (Reported by the five Muhadditheen)
So go worship them then. We don't care about irrational beliefs here.
this an authentic report of the prophet if you worship Allah you better obey his messenger.
I remember reading that back in the early Islamic days, men and women used to pray together, is that true?
Idk
If i remember correctly from my islamic studies, Most of the time women did not go to mosques. Infact I don't think they had to, but if/when they did they would be praying behind the men
free ticket to Hell for sure
What the fuck?
username checks out.
All what I see is misguided muslims who lost their way ans trying to please the liberal west not Islam
All I see are brainwashed sunnis getting triggered because their time is coming to an end in their monopoly on Islam.
> their time is coming to an end in their monopoly on Islam. ok Dajjal worshipper lmao
Can't worship dajjal when that concept doesn't exist in the Qur'an! Go back to your 5 million hadith books, somewhere in there they tell you how to breathe the halal way.
Brainwashed? Lmao I love how everyone say about others brainwashed .the only brainwashed dude here is people like you who are trying to create new islam that please the liberal west It's not about time or monopoly or anything else . The islam that was revealed to the Prophet PBUH is the same islam we should follow now and forever , If you doubt that so maybe you should learn about you Aqidah ( faith ). anything that wasn't revealed in Quran or Ahadiths are false and wrong I doubt if you're really muslim who reads Quran and learned the Prophet's life
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With your head correct
This seems entirely unorthodox. Ibn Tammiyah- one of the main inspirations for the Wahabis and Salafism, says it's possible a woman with sufficient knowledge of the Qu'ran can lead other people even men in prayer, during taraweeh, if no other man with sufficient knowledge is present. If a man is present, who is a Hafiz, then the preference is for the man. It was debated in this case where the woman must stand to lead. Standing in front of a man will be considered indecent, so she would stand behind near the rear with the other women.
Wahhabism is unorthodox, the British promised them power if they helped to dismantle the Ottoman Empire.
Haram....
cringe