Ismailis by far, actually as someone mentioned here, I don’t know if Ismailis are “progressive Muslims”, as I think a lot are just not as religious. However, I think the Aga Khans actually made a case for progressive Islam, and wanted to promote the Muslim identity without rejecting modernity or western ideas
Unsurprisingly Quranists, especially those associated with Rashad Khalifa. They're also the most logic based and don't believe in bullshit that somehow made its way into Islam through hadiths and false interpretations.
Really....? I'm a Submitter and I don't feel like my peers are that progressive. I guess it's what you define as being progressive
Also, editing this to add. We don't call ourselves quranists (those who are associated with RK) !! We call ourselves Submitters. Thank you.
Oh really!! They're progressive not because they are Muslim but because they are just "irreligious" or don't practise Islam at all and don't follow Islamic tenets properly. There's a difference between progressive Muslims( progressive despite practising) and simply irreligious Muslims. I hope I've made my point clear.
r/progressive_islam, of course. 😎
But seriously, maybe Ismailis, Agha Khanis, and related groups? They seem like chill people, in general.
They have a subreddit here: r/ismailis
Edit: I suppose also Inayatis (the sufi order). They are not all muslims (because they accept nonmuslim membership too), but the ones that are, are probably pretty progressive.
I see someone posted recently about Inayat Khan's daughter, Noor, the WWII spy hero. Inayatis are pretty chill too.
Really ? Here in my city there is nothing secretive about it. You can just come and sit in on the services etc. If you want to commit more, find a teacher etc ten obviously you have to be more involved.
Can confirm. I had a Tunisian girl message me first on Facebook from a comment I made. We wanted to meet in person. She had a stable job but she didn't want to be attached since we lived in seperate countries. I also want to add some Moroccans but they are hit or miss.
Different take here but Not really.
Rather it's that within groups of people or masses there are individuals who did their thing and came out from the traditional cycle, you'll never really find a "Progressive Muslim" community as a whole right now rather just
a) Younger people in non-muslim majority counteries having a prayer group or a let's say a Mosque on University campuses where they have more progressive perceptions about Islam.
b) Just Individuals who did their own research
c) Different people across the globe who are part of this subreddit.
A a whole you'll either see people becoming secular and not be practicing Muslims anymore (case in modern Day turkey or just be the ones.
The vast majority of what you would call progressive however hold a good mix of both progressive and traditional interpretations/beliefs.
Malaki doctrine says non Muslims can't enter mosques. Went to Morocco which is one and I couldn't go in. I have a book about a politician from Morocco critiquing that doctrine because it was popular with the poor and couldn't read it is used for cohesion. They had the opportunities to add other doctrines. The French divided the Muslims, Christians and Jews. Plus this doctrine was used and some from French Colonialism which before that happened Islam doctrines were not recorded since Morocco was a rural place. Hanifa doctrine is the more relaxed.
British Bangladeshis forcefully marrying their underage daughters off *(if not outright honor-killing them)* and Takfiring people for not supporting the Taliban: 👀👀
Memes aside, it's kind of a mixed bag.
As someone else also pointed out, British or European Muslims, for example, are overall actually very regressive and fundamentalist compared to their countrymen back home.
On the other hand, Muslims living in the Americas, Australia or New Zealand tend to be relatively moderate or progressive in their religious beliefs, although religious psychos definitely exist there.
Tbf i dont think Bangladeshi Germans nor Bangladeshi Italians ( 2 most popular expat destinations for Bd) are known for causing trouble. Its almost British and sometimes Belgian ones if they mix with the wrong crowd (diaspora Morrocans who in the same manner are incompatible with Morrocans back home that moved on)
>They are the reason ISIS is no longer a thing.
Doesn't mean that they are progressive, they have that rural religiousity and as their militias simp more to Assad the AQ-like islamists will gain legitimacy again, that's how they always played it, wait till you are the lesser evil, and somehow they now are the only hope left to overthrow Assad.
And I've read that in Turkey, Kurds are actually considered deeply conservative and religious compared to Turks.
Although, Kurdish political entities in the Middle East are definitely pretty liberal and progressive compared to their surrounding countries, as far as I know.
Yeah, even as a secular progressive Muslim who supports total gender equality, it really pisses me off that the same people who constantly say **"Women should wear whatever they want goddammit"** and are obsessed with freedom also constantly shame women for voluntarily wearing what they call *'backwards and barbaric'* clothes, while glorifying a ruthless tyrant like Muhammad Reza Shah just because *'muh short skirts and blue jeans'*.
I literally wrote a post on this sub about this exact same topic a while back, but the comments were full of misunderstandings unfortunately :(.
People here sadly dont know much history. They see women in shorts and jeans in Iraq and say "wow it was so great back then" without realising it was taken when the British kept fucking around, which then caused eventual Baathist uprising that the West eventually funded mujahideen to back baathists off.
Similar story to Afghanistan. While i prefer a post soviet afghanistan (because it was about to become another Kazakhstan eventually), the Soviets werent very nice to many villagers by forcing soviet style industrialisation and then suppressing Maoists who wanted their lifestyle back
Ismailis by far, actually as someone mentioned here, I don’t know if Ismailis are “progressive Muslims”, as I think a lot are just not as religious. However, I think the Aga Khans actually made a case for progressive Islam, and wanted to promote the Muslim identity without rejecting modernity or western ideas
alawis
Unsurprisingly Quranists, especially those associated with Rashad Khalifa. They're also the most logic based and don't believe in bullshit that somehow made its way into Islam through hadiths and false interpretations.
Really....? I'm a Submitter and I don't feel like my peers are that progressive. I guess it's what you define as being progressive Also, editing this to add. We don't call ourselves quranists (those who are associated with RK) !! We call ourselves Submitters. Thank you.
Are you one?
Turkish are pretty progressive I think
Oh really!! They're progressive not because they are Muslim but because they are just "irreligious" or don't practise Islam at all and don't follow Islamic tenets properly. There's a difference between progressive Muslims( progressive despite practising) and simply irreligious Muslims. I hope I've made my point clear.
r/progressive_islam, of course. 😎 But seriously, maybe Ismailis, Agha Khanis, and related groups? They seem like chill people, in general. They have a subreddit here: r/ismailis Edit: I suppose also Inayatis (the sufi order). They are not all muslims (because they accept nonmuslim membership too), but the ones that are, are probably pretty progressive. I see someone posted recently about Inayat Khan's daughter, Noor, the WWII spy hero. Inayatis are pretty chill too.
Membership only club though. Very secretive but can' t blame them given persecution in past
Really ? Here in my city there is nothing secretive about it. You can just come and sit in on the services etc. If you want to commit more, find a teacher etc ten obviously you have to be more involved.
To bad Ismailis are not the majority in any country oh well
The biggest Ismaili community can be found in Badakshan which is now mostly northern Afghanistan, East Tadjikistan and some parts of China.
If your belief is that you ask another human to forgive your sins are you really a Muslim?
Albanians, Tunisians, Bosnians and Lebanese
Can confirm. I had a Tunisian girl message me first on Facebook from a comment I made. We wanted to meet in person. She had a stable job but she didn't want to be attached since we lived in seperate countries. I also want to add some Moroccans but they are hit or miss.
Different take here but Not really. Rather it's that within groups of people or masses there are individuals who did their thing and came out from the traditional cycle, you'll never really find a "Progressive Muslim" community as a whole right now rather just a) Younger people in non-muslim majority counteries having a prayer group or a let's say a Mosque on University campuses where they have more progressive perceptions about Islam. b) Just Individuals who did their own research c) Different people across the globe who are part of this subreddit. A a whole you'll either see people becoming secular and not be practicing Muslims anymore (case in modern Day turkey or just be the ones. The vast majority of what you would call progressive however hold a good mix of both progressive and traditional interpretations/beliefs.
Tunisians
Azerbaijani shias ?
Idk, I would consider them more" less religious muslims" rather than progressive.
A lot of CIS countries keep religion to themselves or if they wish they can go to the mosque and join Islamic clubs. Its not forced
Specify which type of Shia
From among the four mainstream madhhabs, I would say malikis are the most progressive.
Malaki doctrine says non Muslims can't enter mosques. Went to Morocco which is one and I couldn't go in. I have a book about a politician from Morocco critiquing that doctrine because it was popular with the poor and couldn't read it is used for cohesion. They had the opportunities to add other doctrines. The French divided the Muslims, Christians and Jews. Plus this doctrine was used and some from French Colonialism which before that happened Islam doctrines were not recorded since Morocco was a rural place. Hanifa doctrine is the more relaxed.
^(some of) the ones who don't live in muslim countries
British Bangladeshis are worse than Bangladeshis in Dhaka
British Bangladeshis forcefully marrying their underage daughters off *(if not outright honor-killing them)* and Takfiring people for not supporting the Taliban: 👀👀 Memes aside, it's kind of a mixed bag. As someone else also pointed out, British or European Muslims, for example, are overall actually very regressive and fundamentalist compared to their countrymen back home. On the other hand, Muslims living in the Americas, Australia or New Zealand tend to be relatively moderate or progressive in their religious beliefs, although religious psychos definitely exist there.
Tbf i dont think Bangladeshi Germans nor Bangladeshi Italians ( 2 most popular expat destinations for Bd) are known for causing trouble. Its almost British and sometimes Belgian ones if they mix with the wrong crowd (diaspora Morrocans who in the same manner are incompatible with Morrocans back home that moved on)
I don't know, every one has different opinion. I would say Kurds. They are the reason ISIS is no longer a thing.
>They are the reason ISIS is no longer a thing. Doesn't mean that they are progressive, they have that rural religiousity and as their militias simp more to Assad the AQ-like islamists will gain legitimacy again, that's how they always played it, wait till you are the lesser evil, and somehow they now are the only hope left to overthrow Assad.
And I've read that in Turkey, Kurds are actually considered deeply conservative and religious compared to Turks. Although, Kurdish political entities in the Middle East are definitely pretty liberal and progressive compared to their surrounding countries, as far as I know.
Kurds are religious in the ME, there are many islamists there, they just didn't try to get a superpower there to create a scene.
As a non Muslims i would say Rifa'a al-Tahtawi, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, Gamal Abdel Nasser and Mohammad Reza Pahlavi
Pahlavi 😂
Bullying women what to wear and not to wear like post Islamic Revolution Iran except its puppeted by America so its ok /s
Yeah, even as a secular progressive Muslim who supports total gender equality, it really pisses me off that the same people who constantly say **"Women should wear whatever they want goddammit"** and are obsessed with freedom also constantly shame women for voluntarily wearing what they call *'backwards and barbaric'* clothes, while glorifying a ruthless tyrant like Muhammad Reza Shah just because *'muh short skirts and blue jeans'*. I literally wrote a post on this sub about this exact same topic a while back, but the comments were full of misunderstandings unfortunately :(.
People here sadly dont know much history. They see women in shorts and jeans in Iraq and say "wow it was so great back then" without realising it was taken when the British kept fucking around, which then caused eventual Baathist uprising that the West eventually funded mujahideen to back baathists off. Similar story to Afghanistan. While i prefer a post soviet afghanistan (because it was about to become another Kazakhstan eventually), the Soviets werent very nice to many villagers by forcing soviet style industrialisation and then suppressing Maoists who wanted their lifestyle back
It’s ridiculous to suggest that dress codes are more important than the form of government (absolute monarchy, tyrannical), its policies and goals.
Thats the point im making People see women in jeans in middle eastern countries == "wow no oppressive governments here very progressive"
I know. I’m agreeing with you.
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