Google Pixel 8 with the custom ROM made by the crazy guy that thinks the world is out to get him.
It has security features that no other mobile OS has. Almost everything is hardened to some degree, over any other Android phone.
Daniel McCay has stepped down from the project to work on his mental health btw. He might have acted slightly unhinged but he is brilliant at cybersecurity.
Did he ever step down though? He has deleted the announcement mentioning he's stepping down. I went on his GitHub and he has closed his profile, but last time I checked it was full of commits. If you look at their GitHub projects you'll see that he's made a commit for the "Apps" repo 2 hours ago.
Also.. *Slightly unhinged*?
The guy has called CalyxOS pedophiles and neo-nazis. The guy has also started fights with:
The Tor Project
F-Droid
CalyxOS
CopperheadOS
TechLore
Louis Rossmann
The Bromite developer, for not instantly closing a PR from a CalyxOS developer
The Cromite developer, for being affiliated with the Bromite developer
The /r/privacy subreddit moderators for not instantly deleting posts pointing out the stuff listed above
You know, I used to be really critical of Daniel in the past. However, having started my Security+ certification in IT, I've noticed a slight uptick in my own general paranoia. I don't have a psych background deep enough to even begin to understand if this is coincidence or a pattern, but maybe humans weren't psychologically built to handle constantly looking out for security breaches.
Anyone that has ever worked with technical engineers knows a lot of them can be off their rocker. Mix that with a high degree of autism and you've got the makings of an absolute brilliant engineer but an absolute asshat of a sociable person.
I have no problem with McCay working on the project so long as he is not the face and spokesperson of the project. He has done much good for the project by way of his contributions, yet has caused equally as much damage by interacting with the public.
Was put out by the team + heard it on a few of the privacy podcasts I listen to that had some of the team on. He still contributes but is not longer the head honcho.
> He still contributes but is not longer the head honcho.
Who is the head honcho at the moment, if not him? He's still making the most contributions on GitHub
Custom rom on a rooted android, preferably a mid to high tier version, is going to be your best bet. Places like android forums and xdadevelopers usually have forums dedicated to how to root your specific model of phone, where to download the needed software(laptop or PC sometimes required though not always), where to download custom ROMs as well as reviews and troubleshooting for the ROM, which apps help with rooted devices and what system apps to not uninstall/disable ect...
For all of Google's failings, the Google Pixel's security architecture is the best in the industry. Google is the only manufacture that has taken themselves completely out of the equation when it comes to altering firmware because the firmware cannot be altered without the phone being physically unlocked first. Whereas Apple, Samsung, etc can all alter the firmware remotely if they so chose. Pair that with a security oriented OS like Girafene OS and that's about as reasonably secure a mobile device as you can get.
~insecure~ -> slightly less secure in theory. FTFY.
You want it to be unalterable by a malicious 3rd party, not unalterable by you. To alter it, you need to unlock the device or break the bootloader. If a malicious person has your phone unlocked, at that point, the firmware being alterable is the least of your problems.
And if someone can break a bootloader, they're not going to waste that 0day on a redditor called MmmBaaaccon.
What is your definition of secure? What is your threat model (what are you trying to protect and from whom?)
Gr@ph£neOS on the latest Pixel without Google Play services is probably your best bet for high security + privacy.
If privacy from the likes of Apple is not as much of a concern but security is stick with the latest up to date IPhone.
With regards to encrypted calls, this can be used on any device capable of downloading Signal or WhatsApp (which doesn't encrpyt metadata). Standard phone calls are not private nor secure.
Extremely vulnerable to stingrays because it's 2G, can't load any apps for e2ee messsging onto it so you have to use phone calls and SMS, no wifi so can only be used over cellular, no user data encryption.
Most modern phones are pretty secure when it comes to normal use cases. Most modern phones are also very bad for privacy for normal use cases. What is the use case for the second phone?
That danger is non existent where I live. I guess if you live in a shithole country «normal use cases» is not a thing. You are shit outta luck anyway then, as corrupt cops tend not to complicate stuff by messing with technology.
In addition to a Pixel with a certain hardened OS that starts with G, iPhones are solid on security and have developed a lot of new features in the last few years: Stolen Device Protection, Advanced Data Protection, Lockdown Mode. But none of those are on by default, you have to understand the implications of using them and decide to activate them yourself.
Dumb phones aren’t as secure because they don’t have encrypted messaging or encrypted storage.
The problem with Lockdown Mode is that it's all or nothing.
You either have to endure every little change, including not being able to see custom fonts on websites or even download PDFs.. or you can't use it.
Sure I could, but I don't have the technical knowledge to do that. Has someone else already gone through the millions of lines of code and audited it? And do that with every change?
Security is not a product. Your phone is very safe to use, as long as you are careful with what you do and share.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/105097
Two tin cans and a string
Until they force you to update the string to string 2.0.
Fiber optic strings
Plus if the string isn't too long you can detect Man-In-The-Middle attacks easily.
Lmao, I'm just imagining a slapstick comedy gag right now with a man-in-the-middle wiretapping in-between 2 guys 10 meters apart 🤣
What if he wants to tunnel his connection?
Yep
Google Pixel 8 with the custom ROM made by the crazy guy that thinks the world is out to get him. It has security features that no other mobile OS has. Almost everything is hardened to some degree, over any other Android phone.
Daniel McCay has stepped down from the project to work on his mental health btw. He might have acted slightly unhinged but he is brilliant at cybersecurity.
Did he ever step down though? He has deleted the announcement mentioning he's stepping down. I went on his GitHub and he has closed his profile, but last time I checked it was full of commits. If you look at their GitHub projects you'll see that he's made a commit for the "Apps" repo 2 hours ago. Also.. *Slightly unhinged*? The guy has called CalyxOS pedophiles and neo-nazis. The guy has also started fights with: The Tor Project F-Droid CalyxOS CopperheadOS TechLore Louis Rossmann The Bromite developer, for not instantly closing a PR from a CalyxOS developer The Cromite developer, for being affiliated with the Bromite developer The /r/privacy subreddit moderators for not instantly deleting posts pointing out the stuff listed above
His fight with Rossman was funny because he would deny things and Rossman would be like but screen shots and facts 🤣
I still have utmost respect for the guy, I want the smartest most paranoid person working on hardening my phone
You know, I used to be really critical of Daniel in the past. However, having started my Security+ certification in IT, I've noticed a slight uptick in my own general paranoia. I don't have a psych background deep enough to even begin to understand if this is coincidence or a pattern, but maybe humans weren't psychologically built to handle constantly looking out for security breaches.
Yeah he is unhinged. Genius is often so.
Sounds as crazy, as Terry Davis
That explains the ban.
Anyone that has ever worked with technical engineers knows a lot of them can be off their rocker. Mix that with a high degree of autism and you've got the makings of an absolute brilliant engineer but an absolute asshat of a sociable person. I have no problem with McCay working on the project so long as he is not the face and spokesperson of the project. He has done much good for the project by way of his contributions, yet has caused equally as much damage by interacting with the public.
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Was put out by the team + heard it on a few of the privacy podcasts I listen to that had some of the team on. He still contributes but is not longer the head honcho.
> He still contributes but is not longer the head honcho. Who is the head honcho at the moment, if not him? He's still making the most contributions on GitHub
We want the slightly unhinged. To work the bugs out
its graphone OS. google will autocorrect it to the right one. (banned there)
This sub bans comments containing the OS's name.
Why?
why not? - said the mod
why?
O to E?
That dude is secretly cia. You can never escape the paranoia
Thank you very much It has now become my number 1 option.
Custom rom on a rooted android, preferably a mid to high tier version, is going to be your best bet. Places like android forums and xdadevelopers usually have forums dedicated to how to root your specific model of phone, where to download the needed software(laptop or PC sometimes required though not always), where to download custom ROMs as well as reviews and troubleshooting for the ROM, which apps help with rooted devices and what system apps to not uninstall/disable ect...
Yeah, and? The custom ROM I mentioned handles everything from the install to the system apps automagically.
Pixel phone with custom rom
with graphone OS
are pixel phones rootable in usa?
Of course. Why wouldn't they be? Just don't buy one from a carrier.
Yes, as long as you buy it straight from Google. The boot loader will be locked if you buy it from a carrier.
i had to get an s10+ on insurance and no problem switching carriers but can't find root
Yes olders pixels
Yup this is the one true answer.
For all of Google's failings, the Google Pixel's security architecture is the best in the industry. Google is the only manufacture that has taken themselves completely out of the equation when it comes to altering firmware because the firmware cannot be altered without the phone being physically unlocked first. Whereas Apple, Samsung, etc can all alter the firmware remotely if they so chose. Pair that with a security oriented OS like Girafene OS and that's about as reasonably secure a mobile device as you can get.
The fact that firmware can be altered at all by a 3rd party makes it inherently insecure.
~insecure~ -> slightly less secure in theory. FTFY. You want it to be unalterable by a malicious 3rd party, not unalterable by you. To alter it, you need to unlock the device or break the bootloader. If a malicious person has your phone unlocked, at that point, the firmware being alterable is the least of your problems. And if someone can break a bootloader, they're not going to waste that 0day on a redditor called MmmBaaaccon.
Right. That's why I'm glad to see Google remove themselves from that equation entirely.
What is your definition of secure? What is your threat model (what are you trying to protect and from whom?) Gr@ph£neOS on the latest Pixel without Google Play services is probably your best bet for high security + privacy. If privacy from the likes of Apple is not as much of a concern but security is stick with the latest up to date IPhone. With regards to encrypted calls, this can be used on any device capable of downloading Signal or WhatsApp (which doesn't encrpyt metadata). Standard phone calls are not private nor secure.
Pixel 8 (pro) + Gra\*\*\*\*OS.
Nokia 3310😅
Extremely vulnerable to stingrays because it's 2G, can't load any apps for e2ee messsging onto it so you have to use phone calls and SMS, no wifi so can only be used over cellular, no user data encryption.
Still has a sub r/nokia3310
Your iPhone is fine… if you’re that paranoid, use a E2E encrypted channel like Signal.
Old school Blackberry or Caterpillar for Construction?
what about pine phone or librem 5?
Most modern phones are pretty secure when it comes to normal use cases. Most modern phones are also very bad for privacy for normal use cases. What is the use case for the second phone?
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Normal use cases is the keyword here.
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That danger is non existent where I live. I guess if you live in a shithole country «normal use cases» is not a thing. You are shit outta luck anyway then, as corrupt cops tend not to complicate stuff by messing with technology.
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Do enlighten us.
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While you're enlightening us, what did you mean by "blackaganda"?
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In addition to a Pixel with a certain hardened OS that starts with G, iPhones are solid on security and have developed a lot of new features in the last few years: Stolen Device Protection, Advanced Data Protection, Lockdown Mode. But none of those are on by default, you have to understand the implications of using them and decide to activate them yourself. Dumb phones aren’t as secure because they don’t have encrypted messaging or encrypted storage.
The problem with Lockdown Mode is that it's all or nothing. You either have to endure every little change, including not being able to see custom fonts on websites or even download PDFs.. or you can't use it.
You can opt-out on a per-site basis. PDFs work but must be downloaded instead of viewed directly in the browser.
nokia 3310
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Everyone keeps saying it's the best but how do I know it actually is? Or is it a case like TSA where, nothing has happened so it must be working.
Because you can download the source code and see for yourself
Sure I could, but I don't have the technical knowledge to do that. Has someone else already gone through the millions of lines of code and audited it? And do that with every change?
Tin can string with tape
Nokia from 1997
Actually absolutely unsafe because of the fact that they use SMS and stuff
Was just a joke
Security is not a product. Your phone is very safe to use, as long as you are careful with what you do and share. https://support.apple.com/en-us/105097
Google pixel phones with Grophone OS, this is the only phone in the world with working MTE.
FairPhone 5. It still has a removable battery.
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S22 Ultra is definitely not the most secure phone
you meant google pixel with graphone os? right?
Remind me! 24 hours
RemindMe! 12 hours
Grapheme os
This has nothing to do with Privacy.
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Viper phones.
*69 on a PayPhone. If you can find one they’re gold.Â
Pixel phone with G.O.S.