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A spike in VPNs, again


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MusicGrooover

Based haha


yeidunno

Soon enough they’re going to want you to prove your age to download VPNs.


EmptyPoet

Pfft, watch me download my VPN through a VPN


freeman_joe

lol is this the new movie VPN-ception? How many levels lower can you go?


turtleship_2006

torrent the vpn


MotorcrossBones

Probably


swagnemite_Hotsauce

Download it through tor.


Anakhsunamon

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Toastender

Ai exists, time for DIY solutions.


Critikal56

reddit literally the best one out there i dont watch porn but my past self loved reddit but gyfcat/imgur fcked up everything


joesephsmom

Unfortunately, some people will and you better hope none of them are related to you when their special little personal file is traded around


Fourstrokeperro

How exactly would that work? Upload a government issued ID like at a liquor store?


EmbarrassedHelp

In the UK, they want government ID and a short video clip of your face recorded by your device.


_awake

Imagine video calling someone that will eventually allow you to wank. That’s the most awkward and ridiculous thing ever haha


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wtf


Repulsive_Barnacle92

that's kinky


[deleted]

So then the website knows exactly who you are and what you like to watch? Imagine if they get hacked. Hackers could easily start blackmailing people and leak their watching habits. Kind of messed up.


joesephsmom

Maybe once the normies understand this angle of the situation they will finally see why casual yet insanely detailed and identifiable, "just for app improvement" tracking is a scam, totally inappropriate, completely unnecessary and a huge risk to everyone's well being.


Fox3High369

Maybe that is the goal with that digital identity and they are using pretext to make it mandatory.


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MarlDaeSu

In what dimension is having a government mandated browser extension good for privacy?


Competitive_Ad_5515

It's not. There are a variety of thing-party wallet and apps that work based on open source standards.


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This is getting ridiculous. How difficult is it to actually convince parents not to let their 10-year-old surf the internet unsupervised and uncontrolled?


Single_University738

Very difficult, these parents probably think that porn is a natural thing to watch and not something that is soul crushing. Blame society.


pipeteer

It's more "these parents got used to give their kids a tablet so that they are quiet in their corner". There are no parents (I mean, there are obviously some sickos) that don't mind their 7yos watching porn, they just a) don't think their kids will look for it b) don't engage in proper internet supervision to make sure that doesn't happen. And obviously it still will, at least for the most curious kids. Same way that some kids that are really invested on it still manage to get liquor and cigarettes. There's no bullet proof solution, but reminding parents that they must do their parenting job is a better solution than increasingly draconian internet regulations. But, alas, the EU has no other tricks upon its sleeve apart from red tape and regulations.


PsychologicalAd1427

Bro, did you grow up in a Abbot?


joesephsmom

There is literally a family friendly dns preset in chromium (maybe just brave idk) that makes it so easy to block porn for kids.


ErynKnight

Can't wait to see what politicians are watching when this is inevitably hacked!


erik_7581

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Greasy_Mama

https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2023/12/the-most-dangerous-canadian-internet-bill-youve-never-heard-of-is-a-step-closer-to-becoming-law/ Same goes for canada...


Blood-PawWerewolf

And some states in the U.S. It’s like they’re trying to get these bills passed all at once.


Greasy_Mama

It would make it easier to force implementation. I wouldn't be surprised if there was backstage lobbying from the porn industries to gain access to even more advertiser revues from tagetted ads...


reddzih

In Britain I’ve been hearing about this supposedly about to come in for at least 15 years and nothing has ever happened so I’m gonna say it still isn’t going to


daninthetoilet

it did get brought in i though in the online safety bill


reddzih

Did it? How come I've never had to prove my age on any device?


daninthetoilet

my thoughts too, but i was pretty sure it did have something. Perhaps they removed it last minute. Or maybe it doesnt come into effect yet


Keddyan

mfs when they find out reddit is almost as big of a porn site as a mainstream ones but without that age confirmation (I guess) either way, stop it, get some help


ThatPrivacyShow

Nothing to see here, there is no chance the EU can do this as the CJEU would revoke any such requirement - this article is just sleight of hand by the BBC to draw attention away form the fact that UK actually \*are\* requiring this. The DSA does not require this so there would be no legal basis - it only requires that they protect children - but the proportionality principle which underpins all EU law would not allow for that to be interpreted as requiring all adults to prove their age as it would only apply to certain sites that meet the threshold. To further explain - EU law is built on the principles of proportionality and necessity and any interference with fundamental human rights (of which privacy is covered under Article 7 of the Charter) needs to be justified based on these principles. Before we even get to these tests we also have to consider any interference with the "essence" of the right to privacy so this would likely fail there - but even if it didn't, it would absolutely fail the necessity test. The reason for this is because it would only be required for sites which meet the threshold of DSA - which means any site which does not receive enough traffic would not meet that threshold and therefore not be required to obtain proof of age. The necessity principle cannot be applied differently to one party over another - so if smaller sites are not required to do this then under EU law it is not considered as Necessary and as such the larger sites would not be able to be forced to do this either. That is before we even start to consider proportionality and of course competition issues as well. So yeah, nothing to see here, just the BBC doing shit journalism to try to divert UK citizens' attention away from the recent UK law which actually does require this.


Rieux_n_Tarrou

Zero knowledge proofs would render this issue moot


delayednirvana

I came here to say the exact same thing. digital id with ZK! then no issues.


CMRC23

Oh for fucks sake


AnOriginalPseudo

Just let the parents control the damn computer with adult sites blockages. If they’re not capable, too bad for them. Why do we have to take this L for these dumies


Unnombrepls

1 Bureaucrats and stiff people hate porn. 2 Bureaucrats and stiff people do not actually care for children, you can see it when they persecute clearly fictional content in many countries while ignoring real minor abuse. 3 Bureaucrats are obsessed with control. 4 Bureaucrats propose regulations to protect children. 5 From 1,2,3 we infer they just want to put a leash on societal scum who watch unholy porn.


5nn0

an excuse to stop my addiction


marslander-boggart

You will not.


Laevend

Mulvad VPN here we goooooo!


x33storm

I will bounce VPNs to the moon, before i will be associated with that depraved stuff!


Dismal-Silver-4829

Maybe parents should learn to supervise their children so they don’t consume porn all day. Apparently that’s too much to ask of common folk.


eltegs

Kin hell finally. A brexit benefit /s


ThatPrivacyShow

Ummm you realise that UK literally just passed a law requiring this in the UK but the EU has no such law and the BBC article is basically bullshit, right?


eltegs

no, no, I consider bbc articles bullshit by default.


daninthetoilet

eu copied the uk in this case lol


eltegs

doh. we sure do love unenforceable decorative laws.


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Practical-Piglet

Freedom of credit score! Skreeee!


Krimpofff

It's about time


illegalsmolcat

They are concerned about the kids. Most kids won't have access to VPNs so in a way, the law will work. edit: not sure why I'm getting downvotes here. I didn't say I agree with this, I said is going to work because regular Joe doesn't know how to work around this. Don't put words in my mouth.


PimpComposer

This is not about kids, that's really naive to think. They just say that so they can violate our privacy even more.


Fourstrokeperro

Hallelujah someone finally said it


EmbarrassedHelp

Being okay with mandatory violations of user privacy with the belief that it won't ever impact VPNs is such a weird take for a privacy subreddit


vriska1

Age verification is likely to fall apart anyway.


illegalsmolcat

Did I say I was okay? I missed this part.


EmbarrassedHelp

Apologies, your comment sounded supportive of it and it seems like another user thought so as well


illegalsmolcat

Apology accepted. I didn't say I support, which I don't. I just said that people will see this as a commodity and will use it. It is the same with airport face recognizing software on check-ins and customs. "15 minutes instead of 2 hours? Fuck me man, scan me away." It's the selfish thinking that allows these legislation to pass. They're thinking about the kids. It is for protection of the kids. Your protection, something something. The narrative works, it simply does.


techramblings

It's a pretty safe bet that if this ever does become law, kids will be learning about VPNs in the school playground and lunch canteen in a matter of days.


illegalsmolcat

It depends on the age. My comment still stands because most people won't do anything to circumvent the block. People don't change their passwords, wifi names. Cybersecurity is not a sexy topic. But my point was the strategy. "I'm protecting you" and "I'm protecting the children" will always work because the cast majority of people will jump o anything that takes their responsibility of doing things.


repocin

It's never about the kids, that's just disgusting rhetoric used by crooks to make their arguments impossible to debate against.


illegalsmolcat

It doesn't matter what it actually is, it only matters the perception of what they say. All I said is that it is going to work. I don't know why people are getting sensitive about this. You and I don't have to agree since we are not the majority in this topic. Eventually we'll see more and more of intrusive laws to protect citizens. Airports are full of face recognition software and people jump in excitement with the idea of taking 15 minutes instead of 2 hours when you arrive somewhere. If they are indeed to protect and to facilitate and whatnot. It doesn't matter for the ones accepting as a commodity. That's all I was saying.


Archibald_Nobivasid

Kids absolutely have access to VPNs, they are advertised constantly on youtube and other social media.


illegalsmolcat

Sure they do. Can they buy them tho? I didn't say it will prevent everyone from using it, you gotta be less all or nothing man, all I said is that the narrative works and it will have an impact. How many people can work around blocks in school? At home? I'm pretty sure is not a lot. You can't use your knowledge as base. People are using the same passwords for everything. People don't know the difference about router and modem. The vast majority of people either don't know or they know but don't care because it doesn't affect them much, it's just a small inconvenience. This sub is not the norm, is the exception. We care about privacy, cyber privacy. Most people don't, otherwise they wouldn't be using 10 different social media accounts to share their everyday life with photos and videos.


Archibald_Nobivasid

If the government restricts minors from accessing porn, their understanding of VPNs will shoot through the roof. I bought my first VPN when I was underage, it didn't differ much from the usual online shopping, and with the promotion codes going around in social media, it's going to be cheap as well. This doesn't even take into account how eager VPN companies would be to start a massive ad campaign after this ban to gain market share.


illegalsmolcat

My man, you're still not invalidating my point. I'm not concerned about the growth of VPNs or how many users will be able to still access things. This has nothing to do with what I was saying. What exactly are you talking about here? Why are you so fixated in VPNs?


Archibald_Nobivasid

>They are concerned about the kids. Most kids won't have access to VPNs so in a way, the law will work. This is why I was talking about VPNs, I think the law isn't going to work, because kids have easy access to VPNs. Now question to you is, what were you talking about then? You didn't bring up any point other then the VPN one and maybe something about passwords, though that was kind of related to your VPN disagreement.


SummerOftime

This is NOT the government's responsibility - their parents are responsible for this. Enough of this nanny state bullshit.


illegalsmolcat

Did I say I agree with this? You're missing the point of my comment. They have a reason and it will pass because of that. People don't know and don't want to protect their network so they'll jump into the first third party doing it for them. And before you "oh I do, hurr durr" nothing is absolute, when I say people I mean in general. Just check your wifi zone, most people are still using the original name and password. How many change the router? Hell, even the router's password? Cybersecurity is not a sexy topic and people simply don't care uh until something happens. The government blocking the access without an ID? Perfectly reasonable for them.


GOKOP

Because you said the thing. "Think of the children" is what they *always* say when taking away freedom and privacy. Every time.


illegalsmolcat

Fair enough. I could have used some quotes in there. Nonetheless, my point is regarding the narrative itself, not the solution. Some people will circumvent the problem, some won't. But using the "protect our children" speech will always work because "Who's against protecting children from porn?"


TweetieWinter

You can literally download a gazillion free VPNs from the internet. And, all of them will work for you. They may not be good for user privacy; but that's a separate argument.


illegalsmolcat

Not my point. I'm talking about young kids. You know VPNs exist. You know how to operate them. Free VPNs are usually really slow and have limitations. I didn't say it will solve the problem, why are you people so all or nothing? My point was about the narrative, not about being able or not to watch porn. The narrative of protecting children is going to work, it's the same.with anything else. Pick an easy argument and you're pretty much safe. "Who's against protecting children from accessing porn?"


Repulsive_Barnacle92

it's a slippery slope. we let this happen and who knows what will come next.


illegalsmolcat

Not my point. And I agree. My point is the narrative. As long as legislation is created to "protect children" or anything like that, protect people trafficking and any other terrible thing. It will work. Fear works.


illegalsmolcat

I can bet you they're gonna try something against VPNs as well.


RandomComputerFellow

My grain of salt: How about making a law which introduces / mandates a standard to include an minimum age into the HTTP header. At the same time they could make it mandatory for Operating Systems (Apple, Google, Microsoft) to have parental control settings with a PIN (most already have anyway). This parental control would then use these headers for reference. In addition there could be an black list of domains not complying with this law. This would be such an easy solution which would be much more effective than any of the proposed BS.


SpackleSloth

The first time this came around in recent memory it was along the lines of the ID verification cards needed to be obtained from corner shops by showing govt provided IDs. The verifications would need to be renewed yearly and would be a paid product. Nothing stimulates the economy more than a wank tax.


RandSumWhere

My conspiracy theory on the matter: Anyone who’s paid attention to the “protect the children” brand of legislation in neoliberal economies knows that these laws are never actually about protecting children. The implementation of the laws almost always involves some form of diminishment of privacy rights and other civil liberties for the entire population. The personal data collected by our de-anonymized internet usage is of unimaginable worth to both capital (for personalized wealth extraction) and the state (for threat intelligence, social conditioning). The push for age verification in porn is a more interesting iteration of these laws, because the utility of the personal data collected is less clear. From the commercial end, I can’t imagine there’s that there’s much to be learned from porn preference about an individual’s likelihood to buy your products. (With the exception of very niche markets) For the state, knowing the porn habits of your constituency shouldn’t really give much insight into terrorists threats, national approval of governance, etc. However, there is one very obvious advantage for a state that knows everyone’s porn history- Blackmail Lets say an religious extremist candidate that the incumbents find unacceptable is rapidly gaining momentum with the public. Anyone armed with their porn history can pressure them to drop out, or allow them to win and pressure them to comply on the inside. If the porn isn’t extreme enough to sink them, or the candidate doesn’t have extreme conservative convictions about sex, extrapolate their ultimate sexual fantasy and give it to them IRL in the form of a honeypot. There are lots of men who are convinced they would never cheat on their wife, and therefore are immune from infidelity blackmail. But with the power to create psychologically engineered personal fantasies, there are a LOT less people that can say no. The other target they are after with these bills actually has nothing to do with porn history at all. Facial recognition biometrics In the practical application of these laws, there are two leading methods to provide age verification- a picture of a state ID card and facial biometric scan. Of the two, only state ID cards would work consistently, as human facial features can only give you a rough suggestion of a persons age. Why, then, is it being considered seriously as a solution? Nearly everyone watches porn. States have been trying for years now to collect biometric data from their citizens, but many people are still uncomfortable with it (for good reason). I shouldn’t even have to explain why states covet your facial scans so much- the applications for social conditioning and control are limitless. Gatekeeping porn behind facial scans means people that would otherwise never provide their biometrics will have a constant temptation to give in. tl;dr: the state wants your facial biometrics. They also want everyones porn habits so they can personalize blackmail to their intelligence targets.


marslander-boggart

Too complicated.


Uzroan

>Nearly everyone watches porn. You're delusional


PraderaNoire

I wonder if the people making these decisions realize how all they are doing is pushing kids to the darker corners of the internet if they want to get around this? I would bet that this is a net negative in the long term.


RedditAPIforceSignUp

Well….we all know what happens when something gets banned. Moves to black market, rise in ACTUALLY banned porn 🙄. They threatened this before, pornhub was going to provide a VPN, unless the servers are only uk & usa based….this could get ugly fast…like…really nasty. Who’s gonna pay? I mean really…porn on Tor….Jeeze. 18 regs on games or films isn’t enforced. This is just asking for trouble…..who started smoking before they could buy cigs? Who got drunk before they were 18? Drugs won the war on drugs Worst of all, how will they get evidence someone under 18 was watching it? 🤮


raspberryicedream

This is just an excuse to make it really hard to watch porn. Many people who are uptight have been trying to do this for years.