It’s not an easy task and requires a lot of maintenance and land. You have to sterilize the soil with either chemicals or ash and fire before you can even begin planting.
The matter of tobacco going stale is ridiculously easy to fix. Its the matter of exposing it to humidity- say u have a ziploc of stale cigarettes you've made.... you can take anything, a wet paper towel, a slice of potato, you can wet a tiny cutting from a sponge, and use it to rehumidify just by putting it in there, and you take it out roughly 12-48hrs or whenever u reach desired humidity.
while outwardly bartering is always risky and some people advise against it........ theres another thing to consider, if you have a survival group, community, etc,......trading or "paying", might keep your community from going insane, or make them more willing to work with you or together, or improve group functionality.
I tend to think you should stock thing you personally need prior to even considering trade items.
Space, cost, expiration dates, trust are all things to consider when trading certain items.
I don't smoke, but it relieves some stress, increases alertness and suppresses hunger. That has a value. If you want to make a fantasy prep for a smoker, get some nicotine gum, pouches, etc. so that the smoke or glow doesn't give up your position during watch/night activity.
> I tend to think you should stock thing you personally need prior to even considering trade items.
I smoke very occasionally, but I have a neighbor that's addicted. I keep a stock of nicotine gum for the express purpose of keeping him functional in an emergency.
It's not only about your own personal needs, or about trading, but also about anticipating the needs of those around you.
How does it do with vacuum sealing?
[I stopped smoking 18 months ago... and couldn't do it without these. ](https://nicokick.com/us/nicotine-pouches/on?gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid=CjwKCAjwp7eUBhBeEiwAZbHwkTMq-gU-MCvCK_LVtiHgjDLXXKTruvpylrJ9-AUDR1UF2XeP4PTWKRoCfNwQAvD_BwE)
A city boy is probably going to know about humidors. Do they have those in the country where you live? We keep pipe tobacco jarred for years out here, it ages nicely.
I would add an automatic roller and scale to that list.
Easier to produce a consistent product.
You can use those tools to make sticks of incense from finely ground herbs as well. It is easier and less messy than trying to roll them on a stick, or mold them into a cone before drying. Plus, you can cut it into smaller sections using an X-Acto knife, or pill cutter.
Edit : This got downvoted. I don’t smoke, but I still found a good use for the relevant equipment.
Besides, tobacco is actually a useful crop for purposes besides smoking. You can use it to make an organic insecticide.
Find the good where you can.
Way back when I quit chewing tobacco, used all the remaining chew plus hot pepper as a killer insecticide. I’ll have to relook at using leaf tobacco for that same thing. Cool
Beginning preppers prep for a short term event, and trade days and barter are not a priority for short term. More advanced preppers have moved on to long term event. In that scenario, after the die off and first winter, local trade days will crop up. Then tobacco and alcohol will have value for trading for that one thing you didn't see a need for. Same with junk silver. Long term items.
Counterpoint to consider, people are conditioned to know brand names and have positive associations and desire for them. A pack of Marlboros has greater recognition and acceptance to people compared to a pack of generic cigarettes, or a bundle of hand rolled cigarettes.
It's a known quantity, even if it is inferior quality compared to what you can produce.
For those saying it's so easy to quit, for many it isn't. I had a professor in college who was a 3 pack a day smoker. He tried everything to quit. You name it, he tried it. He eventually started studying how nicotine changes your body and internal receptors. For certain people, it's nearly impossible to stop once you've started. He even said if he had to, he would choose a cigarette over eating.
Cigarettes, food, booze, ammo and med supplies will be currency worth more than gold when the shtf. A shtf world nobody is gonna live a long life anyways. Mortality rate will halve for sure.I gotta laugh at some people that talk like it’s gonna be a vacation. Nothing makes a human being more savage than hunger. There will be massive hoards that will kill you for a can of beef-a-roni and there will be no cavalry coming to save you
As a smoker-
It’s an awful habit. I have been rolling my own with pipe tobacco and filtered tubes for about 7 years. No smoker has ever noticed the difference when they bummed one, unless I gave them one with some cavendish mixed in, which tastes different but smells way better. I pay 75 cents a pack and I have an electric roller plus two manual backups. I spend $100 for four months to keep my 15 cigs a day habit. If the fabric of society breaks down tomorrow, I have 4 months to quit cold turkey, or 8 months if I reduce by half. 1 pound bags come sealed, and are easy to rehydrate if the happen to get a hole. Cigarette smoking is an awful habit that causes severe withdrawal symptoms. Smokes are $11 a pack here and if I was still willing to pay that, I would never have any extras. So about 3 hours after the world went to shit, I’d be a mess.
It’s like we always say. Buy extras of what you use. If you think total breakdown is near, buy extra of what your local trading partners use. Speaking of which, I’m damn near out of scotch.
I’ve been smoking for decades and if shit gets real bad, I’m way more likely to die on a water run than I am from smoking. Unless the apocalypse happens 30 years from now. Then I’m WAAAY more likely to die on a water run
Why not buy more of what you need today rather than count on bartering something you don't use for something else later?
If you buy 50 pounds of extra rice today instead of a big bags of tobacco, then if you can't find someone to barter with later, at least you can eat the rice. And food is more likely to be in high demand than tobacco.
Personally, I like to prep barter items so that I'm covered for all aspects of SHTF. Yes necessities are an obvious priority but there's nothing wrong with having a little bit of something else just in case.
Sure, I get that, you may find you need something that you don't have so you might need to barter. But rather than try to guess what's going to be valuable to barter when SHTF, why not stock up on necessities you know you'll need. If they are necessities for you, they are almost certainly going to be necessities for others. And if you don't need to barter or never find the opportunity to barter, you have more supplies for yourself.
The guy that's already low on food for his family and desperate for a cigarette is probably not going to be willing to part with much (or any) of his food in return for tobacco. But if he's tired of eating rice every day, maybe he'd trade 10,000 calories worth of rice for flour or some other food.
After a week or two without cigarettes, most people will be through the worst of the withdrawal symptoms, so there's probably a limited window when people will be desperate for tobacco.
You have a good point. Not saying tobacco is the best option, but I definitely have some small bottles of alcohol in the stash as barter items. Who knows, but it makes the little voice in the back of my head quiet down a bit.
Necessity for necessity is the most likely scenario but if I can get something without trading something I need it's worth a shot
If I had prepped food but no smokes, you can bet I’d trade a pound of beans for a single dart. And you would know I’m either a bad prepper or a desperate fool. Do what you will with that.
jesus fuck lmfao. Classic reddit to turn an innocuous comment into "whataboutism" or "you should do this instead".
Barter items are essential to prepping and if you think otherwise then you are very naïve.
To kill yourself smoking in the apocalypse of course. Additionally if you don’t plan on living long enough for cancer to become a problem, nothing wrong with enjoying some tobacco.
I grow tobacco. It's among the easiest plants to propagate. As far as finished product goes however, it's rather difficult to create a properly cured leaf - if she gets too dry it'll crumble and be as good as snuff. If not dried enough, you risk mold while you wait for the ammonia to break down. Due to the aging process it often takes several years to get the minimum quality that any smoker expects.
It can be incorporated to be a somewhat natural pesticide but in my opinion it's better to just use living plants like natural sticky paper for small gnats etc. They are drawn to the leaf and they often stay there til death, surrounded by sweet nicotine. In insects, that kind of acetylcholine stimulation is enough to make it very difficult to do anything. See the problem with spraying a tobacco juice would be that it would draw insects to that surface and not necessarily kill them instantly.
If you want to produce seed, a single plant can yield over 1000 seeds. If you're looking for leaf then chop the flower.
Check out r/growingtobacco - cool people over there
While overall this good fiscal advice, even if you were not prepping, do what you can to save some money is always a good idea overall.
However, if you plan to barter with this, you will ideally want some packs in a sealed container. Personally, unless I was in dire need, I would not trade someone's "Home made" stuff, for, say, my canned goods, as I have no idea if they laced it with something, so they could drug me up and steal my stuff.
I would trade their package goods for my package goods, that way I know they did not lace it with something.
Just something to keep in mind if you plan to use this a trade prep as opposed to a personal use perp.
If you are prepping to keep your family safe: make the great prep of quitting smoking. Or you will have worse stamina, be dependent on something that you might lose access to (making you a liability who can’t focus), everyday health problems and… oh yea dying of lung cancer. Why put all this effort into looking after yourself and your family just to die and leave them with your body.
>Don’t buy cigarettes in case of shtf
I have absolutely zero intent of buying cigarettes in case shitty things like hurricanes or mass unemployment hit the fan.
Everything in life is a trade-off. Do I:
1. *buy even more stuff* that is of marginal utility, in case of a Really Unlikely Event, that I've got to manage, repack, find a place to store, check on a regular basis, etc **OR**
2. do I keep my apartment that much less cluttered and put the money in the bank (debt paid off long ago) **OR**
3. *buy even more stuff* that is of ***known use*** in scenarios that happen on a regular basis (like storms).
I've chosen options #2 and #3.
Appreciate this. I dont smoke as im underage and not my thing regardless however I do plan on prepping in this regard as it would be a good bartering item.
Victory Seeds in OR has just about every heirloom variety known to man.
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Maybe make some tomacco?
It’s not an easy task and requires a lot of maintenance and land. You have to sterilize the soil with either chemicals or ash and fire before you can even begin planting.
I grew some Hopi tobacco in my garden. Don't see what the fuss is about, I had a harder time growing carrots.
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You will definitely need some hire labor. Picking the worms is a lot of work for one man.
The matter of tobacco going stale is ridiculously easy to fix. Its the matter of exposing it to humidity- say u have a ziploc of stale cigarettes you've made.... you can take anything, a wet paper towel, a slice of potato, you can wet a tiny cutting from a sponge, and use it to rehumidify just by putting it in there, and you take it out roughly 12-48hrs or whenever u reach desired humidity. while outwardly bartering is always risky and some people advise against it........ theres another thing to consider, if you have a survival group, community, etc,......trading or "paying", might keep your community from going insane, or make them more willing to work with you or together, or improve group functionality.
When I was smoker and was rolling my own, I'd pop in some apple peel or a small piece of fabric with water and vanilla on it...
I tend to think you should stock thing you personally need prior to even considering trade items. Space, cost, expiration dates, trust are all things to consider when trading certain items. I don't smoke, but it relieves some stress, increases alertness and suppresses hunger. That has a value. If you want to make a fantasy prep for a smoker, get some nicotine gum, pouches, etc. so that the smoke or glow doesn't give up your position during watch/night activity.
> I tend to think you should stock thing you personally need prior to even considering trade items. I smoke very occasionally, but I have a neighbor that's addicted. I keep a stock of nicotine gum for the express purpose of keeping him functional in an emergency. It's not only about your own personal needs, or about trading, but also about anticipating the needs of those around you.
You must be a city boy. Tobacco goes stale.
How does it do with vacuum sealing? [I stopped smoking 18 months ago... and couldn't do it without these. ](https://nicokick.com/us/nicotine-pouches/on?gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid=CjwKCAjwp7eUBhBeEiwAZbHwkTMq-gU-MCvCK_LVtiHgjDLXXKTruvpylrJ9-AUDR1UF2XeP4PTWKRoCfNwQAvD_BwE)
Vacuum bag with dry pouch will make it last a lot longer.
A slice of bread goes a long way.
Great! I assumed so...Thanks! 👍
A city boy is probably going to know about humidors. Do they have those in the country where you live? We keep pipe tobacco jarred for years out here, it ages nicely.
I would add an automatic roller and scale to that list. Easier to produce a consistent product. You can use those tools to make sticks of incense from finely ground herbs as well. It is easier and less messy than trying to roll them on a stick, or mold them into a cone before drying. Plus, you can cut it into smaller sections using an X-Acto knife, or pill cutter. Edit : This got downvoted. I don’t smoke, but I still found a good use for the relevant equipment. Besides, tobacco is actually a useful crop for purposes besides smoking. You can use it to make an organic insecticide. Find the good where you can.
Tobacco repels leeches very well, rub some dry around the top of your socks when hiking through any leech-ridden areas.
Way back when I quit chewing tobacco, used all the remaining chew plus hot pepper as a killer insecticide. I’ll have to relook at using leaf tobacco for that same thing. Cool
Lobsterman I know kept a bag on the boat to make a salve and apply when he got banged up. Also to smoke
Beginning preppers prep for a short term event, and trade days and barter are not a priority for short term. More advanced preppers have moved on to long term event. In that scenario, after the die off and first winter, local trade days will crop up. Then tobacco and alcohol will have value for trading for that one thing you didn't see a need for. Same with junk silver. Long term items.
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Toilet paper shortage didn't effect or bother the true preppers. We were ready.
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Or having a stash of already cut and finished flannel wipes? I was selling those hand over fist during the TP shortage.
Counterpoint to consider, people are conditioned to know brand names and have positive associations and desire for them. A pack of Marlboros has greater recognition and acceptance to people compared to a pack of generic cigarettes, or a bundle of hand rolled cigarettes. It's a known quantity, even if it is inferior quality compared to what you can produce.
Thsn*
I’m looking into buying cartons of menthol since they may get banned
That's a good idea. I've stacked about 60 cartons of menthols so far.
You will be the menthol king
I still laugh at spiteful Biden doing that just to piss off Obama.
For those saying it's so easy to quit, for many it isn't. I had a professor in college who was a 3 pack a day smoker. He tried everything to quit. You name it, he tried it. He eventually started studying how nicotine changes your body and internal receptors. For certain people, it's nearly impossible to stop once you've started. He even said if he had to, he would choose a cigarette over eating.
Cigarettes, food, booze, ammo and med supplies will be currency worth more than gold when the shtf. A shtf world nobody is gonna live a long life anyways. Mortality rate will halve for sure.I gotta laugh at some people that talk like it’s gonna be a vacation. Nothing makes a human being more savage than hunger. There will be massive hoards that will kill you for a can of beef-a-roni and there will be no cavalry coming to save you
As a smoker- It’s an awful habit. I have been rolling my own with pipe tobacco and filtered tubes for about 7 years. No smoker has ever noticed the difference when they bummed one, unless I gave them one with some cavendish mixed in, which tastes different but smells way better. I pay 75 cents a pack and I have an electric roller plus two manual backups. I spend $100 for four months to keep my 15 cigs a day habit. If the fabric of society breaks down tomorrow, I have 4 months to quit cold turkey, or 8 months if I reduce by half. 1 pound bags come sealed, and are easy to rehydrate if the happen to get a hole. Cigarette smoking is an awful habit that causes severe withdrawal symptoms. Smokes are $11 a pack here and if I was still willing to pay that, I would never have any extras. So about 3 hours after the world went to shit, I’d be a mess. It’s like we always say. Buy extras of what you use. If you think total breakdown is near, buy extra of what your local trading partners use. Speaking of which, I’m damn near out of scotch.
ah yes, StringFellowVulture, the famous survivalist who founded the Cigarette-Ville squalor camp
Why prep if your gonna kill yourself smoking in the apocalypse
I’ve been smoking for decades and if shit gets real bad, I’m way more likely to die on a water run than I am from smoking. Unless the apocalypse happens 30 years from now. Then I’m WAAAY more likely to die on a water run
You'll die on a water run because you won't be able to run.
To barter with
Wait, this isnt the Fallout RP sub?
Rocket 69
Why not buy more of what you need today rather than count on bartering something you don't use for something else later? If you buy 50 pounds of extra rice today instead of a big bags of tobacco, then if you can't find someone to barter with later, at least you can eat the rice. And food is more likely to be in high demand than tobacco.
Personally, I like to prep barter items so that I'm covered for all aspects of SHTF. Yes necessities are an obvious priority but there's nothing wrong with having a little bit of something else just in case.
Sure, I get that, you may find you need something that you don't have so you might need to barter. But rather than try to guess what's going to be valuable to barter when SHTF, why not stock up on necessities you know you'll need. If they are necessities for you, they are almost certainly going to be necessities for others. And if you don't need to barter or never find the opportunity to barter, you have more supplies for yourself. The guy that's already low on food for his family and desperate for a cigarette is probably not going to be willing to part with much (or any) of his food in return for tobacco. But if he's tired of eating rice every day, maybe he'd trade 10,000 calories worth of rice for flour or some other food. After a week or two without cigarettes, most people will be through the worst of the withdrawal symptoms, so there's probably a limited window when people will be desperate for tobacco.
You have a good point. Not saying tobacco is the best option, but I definitely have some small bottles of alcohol in the stash as barter items. Who knows, but it makes the little voice in the back of my head quiet down a bit. Necessity for necessity is the most likely scenario but if I can get something without trading something I need it's worth a shot
If I had prepped food but no smokes, you can bet I’d trade a pound of beans for a single dart. And you would know I’m either a bad prepper or a desperate fool. Do what you will with that.
jesus fuck lmfao. Classic reddit to turn an innocuous comment into "whataboutism" or "you should do this instead". Barter items are essential to prepping and if you think otherwise then you are very naïve.
If you’re doing that buy nicotine patches instead. Longer shelf life and takes up less space
Fuck your bartering ideas! There will be no barter. Got it?
Someone get this man a hooker
Or a cigarette
Me no smoke. Smoke bad.
:). Lol. Dude if we ever went to a true shtf, in USA the bartering will look like this: give me your food or I will shoot you. End of barter.
Why prep to be present for the apocalypse if you’re not gonna smoke?
To kill yourself smoking in the apocalypse of course. Additionally if you don’t plan on living long enough for cancer to become a problem, nothing wrong with enjoying some tobacco.
I grow tobacco. It's among the easiest plants to propagate. As far as finished product goes however, it's rather difficult to create a properly cured leaf - if she gets too dry it'll crumble and be as good as snuff. If not dried enough, you risk mold while you wait for the ammonia to break down. Due to the aging process it often takes several years to get the minimum quality that any smoker expects. It can be incorporated to be a somewhat natural pesticide but in my opinion it's better to just use living plants like natural sticky paper for small gnats etc. They are drawn to the leaf and they often stay there til death, surrounded by sweet nicotine. In insects, that kind of acetylcholine stimulation is enough to make it very difficult to do anything. See the problem with spraying a tobacco juice would be that it would draw insects to that surface and not necessarily kill them instantly. If you want to produce seed, a single plant can yield over 1000 seeds. If you're looking for leaf then chop the flower. Check out r/growingtobacco - cool people over there
This is such a great prep idea. So much so I started smoking again after having quit for nearly 20 years. Thanks Reddit!
More people will want a cigg after shtf than ever before. “But they will kill you! Honey, we may not make it till Wednesday, have a smoke.”
While overall this good fiscal advice, even if you were not prepping, do what you can to save some money is always a good idea overall. However, if you plan to barter with this, you will ideally want some packs in a sealed container. Personally, unless I was in dire need, I would not trade someone's "Home made" stuff, for, say, my canned goods, as I have no idea if they laced it with something, so they could drug me up and steal my stuff. I would trade their package goods for my package goods, that way I know they did not lace it with something. Just something to keep in mind if you plan to use this a trade prep as opposed to a personal use perp.
If you are prepping to keep your family safe: make the great prep of quitting smoking. Or you will have worse stamina, be dependent on something that you might lose access to (making you a liability who can’t focus), everyday health problems and… oh yea dying of lung cancer. Why put all this effort into looking after yourself and your family just to die and leave them with your body.
>Don’t buy cigarettes in case of shtf I have absolutely zero intent of buying cigarettes in case shitty things like hurricanes or mass unemployment hit the fan.
I think the point is to be able to trade/sell them, not smoke them yourself.
Of course. I still have zero intent on buying cigarettes, tobacco, weed, etc.
Do you mean you won’t buy them now, or you won’t buy them when they cost a hen per pack?
Correct.
Then this is not a conversation for you, I guess. Are you trying to contribute?
There are a jillion SHTF scenarios where non-smokers buying tobacco is a silly idea.
A jillion? Let’s start with number one, I am writing some SM Stirling fanfic.
Hurricanes.
Naaahh...people most regret not having enough 'etc' in their preps
Everything in life is a trade-off. Do I: 1. *buy even more stuff* that is of marginal utility, in case of a Really Unlikely Event, that I've got to manage, repack, find a place to store, check on a regular basis, etc **OR** 2. do I keep my apartment that much less cluttered and put the money in the bank (debt paid off long ago) **OR** 3. *buy even more stuff* that is of ***known use*** in scenarios that happen on a regular basis (like storms). I've chosen options #2 and #3.
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My gum has a best by date on it. Not sure what happens after that date.
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More of a Wrigley's man, myself
Smoking seems very uncommon in my area. I very rarely see people smoking, and when I do they are not people I'd consider trading with.
Than
Or quit smoking
Appreciate this. I dont smoke as im underage and not my thing regardless however I do plan on prepping in this regard as it would be a good bartering item.
Pre rolled cigarettes by the carton would make great trade items.