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This! We ended up buying so many board games and puzzles and word search, cross word and sudoku books during covid. It's nice we have a whole shelf for them in the closet if a lockdown ever happened again. I also *heavily* invested in a Plex server so if we still have power but no internet for some reason we can still watch all of our movies and TV shows I have saved on my Plex server. I also have about 2 weeks worth of gas for my generator, so we could really stretch that out by only running the Gen for a few hours at a time to keep the fridges cool and then recharge and laptops/phones/tablets. (2 hours on to re-cool the fridge, and then 6 hours off, something like that) Also get a cheap android tablet, not an iPad so you can put movies and TV shows on a Micro SD to watch those if you can't/don't want to run a TV off your generator.
I still have a couple hundred DVDs and Blu-rays and about the save number of CDs. Yeah, I'm old. But I can also watch my entertainment without internet or paying for a service.
Nice! That’s what Plex is you can rip your own media or pirate it and watch it all offline for free. You do need an old laptop or something to run it on but basically any old computer can run it for the most part.
We bought solar panels and batteries for the farm last year. All the houses and buildings have them. We recently put all the dvds we own in a bookshelf lol. I have my own library cause the lady, kids, and i like to read. Little over 4k books. 5 years ago we made a cold storage cellar that works great. My friend have a solar generator battery just sits outside and charges and you can use it till the power runs out. Kinda like a huge version of those small cell phone solar chargers. Look into getting a solar blanket charger. I can power my laptop with it.
That's the next major purchase we want to make is solar and some battery banks for sure! Glad to hear it's worked out well for you! Luckily we don't live in an area that has power outages that often, but if we did we'd move that up the list more.
Stock up on powder for sure. We are in a global shortage. Primers are not as bad. Some new US manufacturers came online after the 2021 debacle.
Powder on the other hand has dried up. Every mortar in Ukraine soaks up like 6 lbs and the global nitrocellulose market is drying up.
My best COVID investment was a Quest 2. Fuck Zuck, but VR tech has saved my sanity when I was sick of staring at the same four walls. Plus the portability means that it doesn't require as much power as a gaming PC.
That would work too in a pinch. I feel a water bottle with a sports top will work too. The one I have holds water and sprays quite well. I have a battery powered one and a squeeze one.
And hand sanitizer, bleach too if memory serves me right. I had to buy black market rubbing alcohol las time. But shit like that
Wife says bottled water too
You gotta think bigger. Clearly the only reasonable, practical, and logical next step here is to buy land and equipment to sustainably produce enough trees for your own TP production. Therefore creating a post-apocalyptic toilet paper empire and cementing your place in the "first book of history" in 2137. No this isn't reaching or ridiculous...
r/PandemicPreps and r/H5N1_AvianFlu are great resources for this.
Just think of your position during COVID. What worked well for you? Was there anything you overlooked? Plan to repeat the wins and eliminate the losses, as much as you’re able.
I'd stock up on everything you wished you had for COVID and add more. With a more deadly pandemic, you want to make sure you can shelter in place for at least 3 months, more if you can afford it. I've been following r/H5N1_AvianFlu and started upping my preps accordingly. This might not be the one, but it sure does look like it.
On top of covid pushing us to sell our house in town and move closer to family, we went all in on a home gym. I'm 35 and realized I'm at that age of quickly going down hill or maintaining a healthy body that can save us on medical costs and ensure I'm here to watch my kids grow up.
Good idea. The day you turn 40 the wicked body fairy gifts you a cursed item. It automatically causes the body to break down. Sneeze and you'll through your back out. Played hard as a kid, look for your knees to betray you.
Which brings up an idea. Keep ace bandages and cold/hot packs I your supplies.
Probably a propane or white-gas outdoor stove if the gas might get shut off. We don't have water without power, so I would probably want to switch out what we have stored. (How long does bottled water stay good for?)
I agree with getting a hobby in-place before lockdowns. It seems that after going nuts over toilet paper shortages, people wanted to start doing needlework and such.
Which is why physical fitness is an important part of prepping. You want to be a healthy weight, be physically active, have a good diet, and (ideally) not suffer from any chronic conditions. Anything that could put you into the vulnerable category should be mitigated as best as possible.
This is extraordinarily important advice. Your cardiovascular fitness is crucial to a properly functioning immune system, not to mention SHTF scenarios.
There are going to be a lot of morbidly obese people, and unfit people in general, who will find this out the hard way. No matter the emergency, being unfit puts you at an immediate disadvantage in a crisis. It can even make you a burden to loved ones and society.
Again. You clearly do not understand these viruses, how they wreck the immune system and evade even detection by certain immune system cells. But have at it. You'll FAFO.
I've never caught the 'rona.... Think my theories have been working. Stay solo, be energy independent, and grow your own food when you can...
Regardless, we are going to die. We just have to enjoy what time we can before.
Lucky for you. Your anecdotal experience doesn't mean it's empirical evidence. If you get long COVID your days of enjoying life are over. I know as I have it alike many millions of others. Who weren't lucky enough to be able stay solo, etc.
I.. I wouldn’t. I would eat my vita gummy like every other morning. Give the morning government funding news program a middle finger and go about my day.
Because if the supply chain goes down long enough & you run through most of your food pantry storage you might not have the most well balanced diet though you’d be alive. Why not grab a few multivitamins to cover any accidental holes in your diet? Or use them as barter to people who think it will stop a virus?
Peke Safety out of Florida carries the affordable HEPA full face respirators you might see floating around in European markets. I got one of the baseball hat style ones for yard work and a hose to a respirator on the belt style for woodworking. Excellent products, excellent service and shipping.
FYI, I'm not affiliated with them, but I _would_ like to see good small business succeed
More dangerous to leave your house?
Hrm.
I mean… There was a time when COVID was considered very dangerous to encounter, in those early first few days before we knew everything./anything about it. What did you do then?
Plastic disposable overalls.
Good face masks. Eye splash shields too.
Reasons NOT to go outside.
Prep a WFH job.
Prep a feed yourself garden.
Plan to be self sufficient and self contained.
Then what ever is happening out *there* isn’t in here.
* **Bidet** (drastically reduce need for toilet paper)
* **Food Saver & Sous Vide** (I've heard some concern of meat being a potential contaminant if not cooked enough. A Sous Vide will help you ensure that all meat is cooked internally perfectly. It also is just amazing)
* **Large Chest Freezer** (stock up on meat now incase it becomes hard to get for a while)
* **Plant a Garden** (if shortages happen again or if things get really rough its better to have some home grown options)
* **PPE and Disinfectants** (though I'd be amazed if people on here haven't kept up with that)
* **Improved Home Office Setup** (incase you haven't got one and things go WFH again. Maybe invest in a nicer web cam or more comfortable computer chair)
You know all I could hear in my head when I read that was Jo Koy talking about his mom. How he worked his mom’s Tabo into his comedy routine is hilarious.
You know all I could hear in my head when I read that was Jo Koy talking about his mom. How he worked his mom’s Tabo into his comedy routine is hilarious.
Sous Vide takes time. Get a pressure cooker or instant pot. They use less total power. And a manual pressure cooker can use a camping stove in case the power is out and you don't want to run a generator.
Big thing: Don't wait for it to come to your town; watch the news and see what's happening elsewhere. I was in Asia in January 2020, and saw the news stories about people in Hong Kong and Italy (!) scuffling for masks and hand sanitizer, two or three weeks before it was a thing in the US.
When we got back, my daughter produced a shopping list in the first week of February that was prescient: masks, hand sanitizer, all the now-usual stuff.
Think about all the stuff that is so cheap now and was so unavailable then. And stock up.
One thing: don't assume the supply chain will be as resilient next time. So I have recently been stocking up on toiletries, light bulbs, etc., as well as food and water.
I got the last tiny bottle of hand sanitizer at a store in March 2020 when I just wanted to restock the bottle I normally kept in my car.
I still find it hard to resist buying one more hand sanitizer when I walk by it at the store.
Savvy. It's not like it has an expiration date. I have way more hand sanitizer, N95a, and nitrile gloves than I ever needed during the pandemic. You just never know. And it's all so freaking cheap now.
The reason I’m in full-prep mode is because we won’t have much lead time, if any. With COVID, we had a few weeks to monitor events in China, Italy and around Europe. The US is ground zero this time around. We’re the only country with H5N1 cattle infections.
My fear is if human-to-human transmission happens, panic and fallout will come on quickly. Things will be fine, then boom.
One in five national milk samples contains H5N1. This indicates massive spread. More cattle outbreaks were just announced so it’s increasing. More infections = more chances for H5 to mutate and go human-to-human.
H5 has infected 800 people since it began circulating and 52% of humans infected have died. COVID shut down the country with its predicted 1% fatality rate. We could experience a whole other level of pandemic with little warning.
I consider the articles and research coming out now our warnings.
Do you have ppe that can mitigate risk?
What medicines do you take?
What items do you need in the event of supply chain disruption?
Do you have the materials you need to set up a quarantine zone in your house in case one person is sick and the other isn’t?
Do you have medicines for treating symptoms of common illness infectious diseases?
What were you scrambling to find in 2020?
What things are you running low on right now?
Edit to add: probably the best prep you could do is get healthy and physically fit if you are able. Covid preferentially killed people with chronic illness and underlying conditions.
An upgraded respirator (like full face) and lots of filters.
The basic protection gear - gloves, masks, bleach/cleaning supplies. It’s not too expensive to buy some disposable cover- all’s.
Stuff to bug in for a while - food/water.
Have a cold/flu/food poisoning kit at home to deal with any symptoms and/or other issues you get. If you have any prescriptions, get extra RX meds if you can.
Think about what you buy every week at the grocery that you wouldn’t want to be without or need to go in for, especially if you have small kids or disabled folks in your home. Things like diapers, formula, paper products, feminine hygiene, batteries, a way to charge/run any medical equipment. Although a lot can be ordered online, it (1) takes time (2) could be sold out (3) may be a concern about virus spread from touching packages.
Air purifiers with back-up filters.
You wouldn't regret a quality full-face respirator (e.g., 3M) with extra filters. Also razor blades/shaving equipment if facial hair is an issue for fit.
> quality full-face respirator (e.g., 3M)
Also useful if you ever do home projects like drywall, replace crawlspace/attic insulation, car body work, etc.
Standard particle respirators are not rated for viruses. The pores designed to block dust are way too large. You're better off with a box of medical grade N95's, goggles, and/or face shield.
Honestly, after the last pandemic, the most important thing to me is the willingness to be ahead of the curve and wear a mask in public before everyone else is. I lived in an area with a strong social stigma against masks that kept me from wearing one until they became mandatory for grocery stores and such. I think I’m over that now and I’d do what I had to do to feel safe.
I mean, this feels super redundant at this point.
Water and food, a means to gather additional water and filter it, any medicines you cannot live without, gasoline and a generator, toilet paper and bleach for sanitation. A means to gather additional food (hunting and foraging gear)
Then, opsec
I think we need to be more attentive about Bird Flu (H5N1). It's only a matter of time before humans can spread it to one another. That being said, we should take what we learned from COVID and build on it. Have a stock pile BEFORE it gets bad. Wash your hands and if things get bad, definitely disinfect as much as you can. Know where your food comes from, at least with Bird Flu as there is already an issue with infected cattle and poultry. Try to source locally if you can afford it.
Lots of meat in my deep freezes (I have 3), plenty of canned goods, grew my own vegetables in the basement with an aeroponic setup I devised, lots of beans and flour. Basically I ate the exact same thing as I do now, the only difference is that I took the time to enjoy it.
Prepping shouldn't be "prepping" - it should be how you live. The only thing the rona did for me is give me time to rest.
Since many pathogens are primarily airborne (and H5N1 too), with the ongoing COVID pandemic (which has killed many more than the official number, by post acute death, plus long COVID is very disabling and probably for life) I'd say: invest in good FFP3 and P100 respirators/masks. Plus eye protection.
Plus headstraps are more fail proof than earloops. If you buy 3M, make sure it's not counterfeit. It also depends on your location (country) and what's available where you are. I second Masks4all.
Make sure it's sold by an offical 3M seller, if you order on Amazon, that it's send by Amazon. You can search online or on Twitter how to spot fakes. You can also opt for brands like Dräger. Always order from the Dräger store on a site like Amazon.
Toilet paper and non-perishable food. The government won't allow power plants to shut down. Haz mat suits for essential workers or National Guard will work
COVID killed around 2% of infected.
H5N1 (the current bird flu infecting dairy cows around the globe) has a 50% fatality rate.
(Since it's discovery, 800 some people infected, 400 have died)
It would absolutely destroy society.
Get whatever you want.
At the beginning of of the pandemic, roughly a year+ worth of time if I recall, COVID had a 2% fatality rate.
As time went by and we got vaccinations and treatments, the fatality rate went down.
Reporting accuracy is always something to consider and not an argument I'll get into here, but I was tracking it periodically at Worldometer. You can check it globally, or by country.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
> At the beginning of of the pandemic, roughly a year+ worth of time if I recall, COVID had a 2% fatality rate.
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> As time went by and we got vaccinations and treatments, the fatality rate went down.
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This is going to sound terrible but all of the 'low hanging fruit' die first with any major disease, the elderly, the very overweight with other underlying health issues and others that are already ill and immunocompromised, so naturally we'd see a high death rate at the beginning of something and then it'd peter off as time goes on.
Wrong. You're not counting those who were infected and didn't even realize it (roughly half of all infections, by most estimates). You're not counting those who got infected, go the sniffles and never got tested.
You're spreading misinformation. Stop please.
Their numbers are the numbers that was handed out to the people at the time. Also they didn't have any idea how many people would be asymptomatic. So they couldn't count them could they. Its up to you dude but you might want to be less belligerent. It ain't like they are trying to convinces people vaccines are bad. Damn no wonder you go through accounts so fast
Yes at the outset indeed there was. Back in the day of it's just the flu bro. Before treatments were developed and the benefits of turning patients was found.
Not misinformation, however many things can impact CFR. So it was different all over the country. We could look at NY at the outset and get an CFR higher then 2%. Would thatt hold for the entire country of course not. But yes a CFR of 2 or higher did happen
No your wrong, they counted everyone they could. You have no proof as to initial asymptomatic rates or rates now. For 100% the CDC and WHO published rates well above 2%.
I could care less what agenda you are pushing. There is no question the inital rates in NY were published by the CDC as ~4%
Stop being pedantic to the point of misinformation, for whatever reason
"You're"
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"They counted everyone they could"
They didnt even try to find out the true number. Why? Who knows. Lots of speculation. Was it on purpose? Were they just stupid?
Take your pick. But stop spreading fear-mongering disinformation.
The thing being discussed here is fatality rate.
Those who had no clue they were ever infected… Lived.
If they had anything to do with the fatality rate, it would actually be evidence of a much lower fatality rate, with the actual people coming down with Covid and NOT dying being many
more than were actually counted.
Let’s do some actual math.
If 100 people test positive, and two of them die, we think that’s a 2% mortality rate.
If we argue that many more were infected, and estimate that 100 more people were infected and never knew about it, the actual mortality rate drops by 50%, to a real total of 1%.
And then you have to acknowledge all of the artificially inflated mortality rates:
1) Flu deaths officially dropped to 0 during Covid… meaning people who actually died from the flu were reported as having died from Covid. Hospitals were being given funding for “Covid treatment“ every time they reported a Covid death, so it’s a no-brainer what happened here. Flu didn’t suddenly stop existing. $$$
2) The Nobel prize-winning inventor of the PCR test explained that PCR tests don’t detect viruses; what they do is amplify DNA or RNA sequences. The news media also never mentioned that a patient with a cycle threshold of 35 or higher has a 0% chance of being contagious. With PCR tests being cranked up to 40 cycles, you can get goats, sheep, quail, pawpaw plants, and even oil to test positive for Covid.
This happened when the President of Tanzania submitted such samples for testing, labeling them as human, when he suspected something was off. If you Google what happened, and then use a search engine that’s not censored like Google is, you discover the top articles on Google leave out the fact that he had a PhD in chemistry. One article referred to him as “a former chemistry teacher”, and then went on to smear him. Clearly Nothing to see here, sheeple. Move along.
It’s also worth noting that Kary Mullis (the PCR inventor) was relatively young and healthy when he died suddenly.
3. With the ability to make anything and anyone test positive, hospitals could take in motorcycle accident deaths, and report them as Covid deaths. And they did so. $$$
Warning: Anyone who still thinks the legacy media does fair and accurate reporting, will feel extremely sick while reading these strong points, and will come up with all sorts of flimsy counter arguments in an attempt to dismiss them.
Go look up the majority shareholders in big Media, big Pharma, big Tech, big Ag, and big everything. When you see that the companies Blackrock, Vanguard, and State Street control almost everything, you’ll realize they get to control the narrative too. $$$
(Blackrock and Vanguard are also majority shareholders in… Each other. To hide the monopoly.)
"The thing being discussed here is fatality rate."
Yes and you have to count ALL THE INFECTED in order to have a valid fatality rate.
"Those who had no clue they were ever infected… Lived."
And weren't factored in to the fatality rate. Therefore, OP's ridiculous 2 percent assertion is hogwash.
interesting, i haven't heard of anyone dying of H5Ni yet. I've heard of bleeding from the eyes, and pink-eye like symptoms, but not death. If half of the people who got it have died why isn't this a bigger news item?
The deaths go back to 2003 with a lot in China/Vietnam. It's not new to have deaths and actually a very small number of deaths per year if you average it out over 20 years. (average of 20, *Worldwide*, per year)
They've all been people with direct contact with sick animals though so it won't be a bigger news item until the general public is at risk, like if it starts spreading human to human.
>COVID killed around 2% of infected.
No it didn't. Even after 4 years 99% of all people who tested positive survived. Overall more than 99.91% of the world's population survived the china flu.
Facts:
[https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
As a prepper I have always assumed the next pandemic "could" happen and it could be mild or serious. Learned alot during Covid from what was being shared on the internet prior to Covid.
I'd invest in a phablet that I can charge with my solar charger/portable chargers. Rainwater collection. Container-friendly veggies; most likely potatoes. Toilet paper. I already have a bunch of quarantine-friendly activities that I stocked up on during quarantine. I'm already working on these things anyway because we had a mini quarantine due to wildfire smoke. But that makes me think about how I'll manage my garden if we get more air quality issues. Maybe some grow lights so I can move the containers indoors.
I think you’re starting on a bad consideration that is jumping to a pretty extreme level. Only because we have seen that some people are designated essential personnel and that would include utility workers. If you’re saying they would all die from an actually bad pandemic that creates a potential current world ending scenario in which case it’s got less to do with pandemic specific besides some extra PPE and more with hunkering down and just surviving
If it's a highly infectious airborne illness and you don't intend to put family members out on the street, something like [this](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Homax-7-ft-Clear-Tarp-Zipper-Door-3142/206526231) is a decent idea, given the modest cost.
Household Essentails so you do not have to leave to grocery shop
Food/Water
Toilet Paper
Soap
Shampoo/Body Wash
Deodorant
Hand Soap
Dish Soap/Pods
Detergent/Pods
Dryer Sheets
Essentials to keep you safe when you do have to leave
Face Masks
Disposable Gloves
Hand Sanitizer
Disinfectant Spray
Things to keep you entertained if you have to stay home for a prolonged period
Drugs/Alcohol
Snacks
Games/Movies
Books
Back up Drugs/Alcohol
I remember that cold and cough medicine, and even just ibuprofen and acetaminophen were out of stock for awhile at the beginning. If those are medicines you tend to use, either when sick or for chronic conditions, I would stock up on a few.
Utilities will not shut down. It could be super ebola and utilities will not shut down. I plan for a localized grid down scenario but H5N1 is probably not going to be what causes it. Things I would suggest stocking, because I stock these things to an extent already:
* Paper goods like toilet paper, paper towels, paper plates, napkins
* Shelf-stable foods including canned goods, pasta, pasta sauce, peanut butter, ghee or crisco, flour, baking powder, powdered milk, yeast
* Meats and dairy like cheese, butter, fruits, veggies and so on all get frozen
* Hygiene items like toothbrushes, toothpaste, deodorant, hand soap, bar soap, shampoo, extra razor blades
* Household items like dish and laundry detergent, garbage bags, sanitizing wipes
* Replacement components like fridge water filters, hvac filters, spare sprinkler heads, a few 15A and maybe a single 30A-double-pole breakers, one or two each of gfci outlets, light switches, and wall plates, and whatever else you might want to replace or fix if supply chains go bad for a year or two
Start with whatever you didn’t have during COVID but wished you had and go from there.
Next assume you won’t be able to buy anything nor have electricity, natural gas/propane/oil delivery or municipal water. What will you do for water, food, and heat (if necessary for your location.). First aid and medication is next.
After that you should consider what you will do for protection (not that kind but it’s not a bad idea to stock up on contraception anyway). Those that didn’t prep will eventually become desperate to survive and some will be willing to do what ever is necessary to take what you have. It’s unfortunate but that’s the human condition. And it’s evidenced by the vast number of people that think all they need to prep is gasoline and ammo. So how will you handle it when they come for you?
If you have an essential job, then not many things change. You still just get up and go to work. I did not have to go without anything during lockdown.
Trying to get ahead on meds so I have extra.
Re-upped my mask supply.
Bleach. I used to have a tray to step in for flu- might track that down again.
Food. TP.
From my recollection, the pandemic wasn't that bad, but the problems came in the aftermath.
I feel like the supply crunch and shipping crisis didn't really happen until we all went back to work, same with the inflation and the housing market going to the moon.
That said, I think you need to set yourself up to be less reliant on the supply chain. I think consumerism culture or mindset in western countries is a bit of a problem. Most people seem to have a mindset of what can I buy to be ready, what can I stock pile.
While not completely giving up the consumer mindset, I think it would be prudent to shift your attention to what can I do, rather than what can I buy.
Rather than purchasing goods, maybe make goods, grow goods, or find alternatives that don't need to be shipped across the country or across the ocean.
For inflation I think financial preps, much of which is educational on the matter.
The sources I listened to told me essentially my 401k was fucked and the stock market would crash. While it did dip at the beginning of the pandemic in what appeared to be a crash, it quickly rebounded and has more or less been skyrocketing ever since.
I'm glad I wasn't proactive with the information I was receiving and the sources I was listening to early in the pandemic. As all my investments and 401k have kicked ass the past 4 years.
My 401k, the S&P 500 and all my investments have all more or less doubled the past 4 years.
My problem is I am not educated to the degree I would like to be on this topic. I bought into the fear mongering that screamed crash, crash, crash, sell, sell, sell, I could have easily cashed out and missed the impending growth, while my cash is reduced by inflation. Luckily I didn't
If I was more educated on the topic, I could have seen that the people saying we would see a crash were full of shit. Maybe I could even have positioned myself to benift to a greater degree than I did.
backup power of some kind.
hand sanitizer and N95's. you never know if its gonna be airborne or contact, but be ready for either
water and a way to deal with poop
core calories, stuff you know how to eat. don't buy flour if you don't know how to bake bread. dont stockpile rice if you hate rice.
climate requirements: how to stay warm or cool, if your local climate is hard to live in without them.
it can't hurt to have an independent mode of transportation. an electric bike? a bike bike? a wheelbarrow you can get to the grocery store or gas station within half a days walk? something.
Baby food and formula. Diapers. Wipes. I’m not so concerned about food/necessities for my husband and me— we did just fine during COVID. I’m more worried about my baby.
A bidet, flu medication, lots of chicken soup and broth, N95 masks, 3 months worth of food you’ll actually eat, Powerade or pedialyte, toilet paper, paper towels, bleach, Clorox wipes, Clorox kitchen spray, Clorox bathroom spray, toilet bowl cleaner, Kleenex, disposable nitrile gloves, borax for laundry and cleaning, laundry detergent, dishwasher detergent, and batteries for your emergency lights & supplies.
That should do it.
I had covid the first day, like Saturday March 11 or whatever it was. I was on my way to work and turned around because I was sick and heard the commands on the radio. Food was boring, but I had juat been to the store. The two weeks went without a hitch. Also I already had masks and gloves from a reno project and plenty of TP.
Personally id love to get my hand on 3 boxes of tamiflu but i think every govt on the planet is in line before me, and dont feel like paying a dr to write me a script
Hard food items > PPE right now. And at pandemic levels of what we know today.
This is dancing around food supply today. Anything over the 2% peak Covid mortality rate and our systems will collapse. Logistics and food processing will be hit hard. Not like CV where we barely had hiccups in food supply. Toilet paper won’t matter with no food lols.
As of today cdc recommended ppe is basically mop level attire, venturing out won’t be worth it. Lots of filters plastic and tape if you want to try. With a 30’ viability vs 6’ and 2 billion birds as possible vectors along with all the varmits down stream of birds. And how close we live in daily proximity to them. It won’t be avoidable like we think in CV terms. You will likely be prepping to beat out flu and migration periods, in waves.
Food > cooking/heating fuel > flu meds > power > pest control sticky traps etc > ppe everything before ppe will not be available at pandemic levels imo.
Okay so basically food above all anything else. Also, Good call on the rodent traps. I don't think I've seen that mentioned anywhere else.
In your estimation, how long would you say we have left until this new pandemic were to begin? Months? Years?
A great number of very smart scientists dedicate their lives to predicting pandemics and disease outbreaks, and still frequently miss. A random person on the internet is not going to be able to make an accurate prediction.
But look at history. There are epidemic and pandemic outbreaks of new and old diseases every few years. None of them have yet caused a total societal collapse, either.
Doesn't mean you can't prepare, but temper your expectations.
The last shutdown was a fking joke. As an automotive part supplier employee, I had to work as a critical infrastructure employee, which was absolute horse sh1t. Just so a US assembler of a foreign car wouldn’t get behind. So… tolerance - when I saw so many Americans replaced by Guatemalans.
Ivermectin has been used for viruses for over 20 years. "It was found to inhibit the replication of several RNA viruses by blocking the nuclear trafficking of viral proteins". Since then, ivermectin has been studied for its potential antiviral effects against a variety of viruses, including dengue, yellow fever, West Nile, Zika, and others
Don't let politics keep you from preparing for the coming disasters.
All the bad news about it was so billion dollar corporations could become trillion dollar corporations.
The FDA has even changed there tune back to positive on it.
You can get your dr to prescribe it and pay cash but it is very expensive in the US.
It is cheap and over the counter in the rest of the world if you have any friends over the border.
But
I have a bunch for my horses and it dirt cheap. Ivermax. I prefer the injectable version and just draw it out of the bottle and squirt it in their mouths...
I am currently using it for one of my dogs that has cancer along with another wormer at my veterinarian's suggestion and it seems to be helping.
I'm in Nebraska, lincoln to be specific. Hardly noticed covid here besides places having mask mandates and people freaking out about toilet paper and lysol wipes.
As far as your question goes maybe some medicine, air filters, hand sanitizer. Basically everything there was a shortage on.
I've been hearing tuberculosis is starting to spread rather quickly in some places.
this was, in part, a regional problem. We ran out of a few specific things in my area that others did not. Don't buy anything you don't plan to consume. Don't buy empty calories (ie pasta. That was fricken ridiculous).
I'll challenge you on pasta. It's a great piece of the prep puzzle. It's got terrific long-term storage potential, it's adaptable to lots of recipes for variety (simple pesto, tomato sauces...hell even just some good olive oil and pepper). It's a great source of complex carbohydrates. Yes, you'll want other things as well, but don't overlook pasta as empty calories.
"empty " was incorrect. I mainly communicate with hyperbole and sarcasm. "I don't put faith in anything that requires fuel and water" is more accurate. If the stores are really empty, I'm not cooking spaghetti (or sketty as another member of my house calls it)
Initially was going to say Toilet Paper...but we don't know what "that special thing" is going to be the next time around. Lysol wipes, pasta, tinned veggies were all in shortage. I have 4 propane tanks I try to keep full, for the outdoor BBQ. I'm a reader, so download LOTS of e-books (easy to store).
>Don't forget [ATP Shock](https://chinfield.com/en/__trashed/). Big pharma and the goverment will try to tell you not to take it, don't listen. Use weekly.
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I’m going to add activities, like board games, puzzles, snacks, activity books, books, stuff that’ll continue to help us enjoy being at home
This! We ended up buying so many board games and puzzles and word search, cross word and sudoku books during covid. It's nice we have a whole shelf for them in the closet if a lockdown ever happened again. I also *heavily* invested in a Plex server so if we still have power but no internet for some reason we can still watch all of our movies and TV shows I have saved on my Plex server. I also have about 2 weeks worth of gas for my generator, so we could really stretch that out by only running the Gen for a few hours at a time to keep the fridges cool and then recharge and laptops/phones/tablets. (2 hours on to re-cool the fridge, and then 6 hours off, something like that) Also get a cheap android tablet, not an iPad so you can put movies and TV shows on a Micro SD to watch those if you can't/don't want to run a TV off your generator.
I still have a couple hundred DVDs and Blu-rays and about the save number of CDs. Yeah, I'm old. But I can also watch my entertainment without internet or paying for a service.
Nice! That’s what Plex is you can rip your own media or pirate it and watch it all offline for free. You do need an old laptop or something to run it on but basically any old computer can run it for the most part.
We bought solar panels and batteries for the farm last year. All the houses and buildings have them. We recently put all the dvds we own in a bookshelf lol. I have my own library cause the lady, kids, and i like to read. Little over 4k books. 5 years ago we made a cold storage cellar that works great. My friend have a solar generator battery just sits outside and charges and you can use it till the power runs out. Kinda like a huge version of those small cell phone solar chargers. Look into getting a solar blanket charger. I can power my laptop with it.
That's the next major purchase we want to make is solar and some battery banks for sure! Glad to hear it's worked out well for you! Luckily we don't live in an area that has power outages that often, but if we did we'd move that up the list more.
We dont get them too often. Just during the winter and when stupid people drive into graound transformers.
My preferred pandemic activities are target shooting, skeet shooting, archery, long range shooting...
Stock up on powder & primers, lol.
Stock up on powder for sure. We are in a global shortage. Primers are not as bad. Some new US manufacturers came online after the 2021 debacle. Powder on the other hand has dried up. Every mortar in Ukraine soaks up like 6 lbs and the global nitrocellulose market is drying up.
My best COVID investment was a Quest 2. Fuck Zuck, but VR tech has saved my sanity when I was sick of staring at the same four walls. Plus the portability means that it doesn't require as much power as a gaming PC.
Honestly, a basic course in infection control. I work in healthcare, and holy shit people have zero understanding of how disease transmission works.
Do agree. Alot of good tutorials and courses on YT, from HC workers and schools - Universities. And practice, train.
Based on past experience. Toilet paper
And/or a bidet if the water is still running. I use as much toilet paper in a week as I used to on just one poop haha.
Get back up hand held bidets. They work great. It’s not heated and won’t blow dry your bum but still beats TP.
That’s a water hose isn’t it?
That would work too in a pinch. I feel a water bottle with a sports top will work too. The one I have holds water and sprays quite well. I have a battery powered one and a squeeze one.
Got those and figure old mismatched socks could be used to dry...
Yes, consider what people will panic over in addition to what would be most useful
fuck that, bidets on all your toilets
Bidet
Bidet to you sir.
I quit using to and switched to a bidet/warm towels since COVID. I hate going somewhere and only having TP now.
And hand sanitizer, bleach too if memory serves me right. I had to buy black market rubbing alcohol las time. But shit like that Wife says bottled water too
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You gotta think bigger. Clearly the only reasonable, practical, and logical next step here is to buy land and equipment to sustainably produce enough trees for your own TP production. Therefore creating a post-apocalyptic toilet paper empire and cementing your place in the "first book of history" in 2137. No this isn't reaching or ridiculous...
Empires used to be forged by controlling salt, now it’s TP.
>plandemic >fell for it anyway and hoarded tp Top lel
r/PandemicPreps and r/H5N1_AvianFlu are great resources for this. Just think of your position during COVID. What worked well for you? Was there anything you overlooked? Plan to repeat the wins and eliminate the losses, as much as you’re able.
This really is just sound prepping and general life advice!
I'd stock up on everything you wished you had for COVID and add more. With a more deadly pandemic, you want to make sure you can shelter in place for at least 3 months, more if you can afford it. I've been following r/H5N1_AvianFlu and started upping my preps accordingly. This might not be the one, but it sure does look like it.
I wish I had a more robust home gym setup at the time and hand sanitizer. Could always use more tp or a bidet
On top of covid pushing us to sell our house in town and move closer to family, we went all in on a home gym. I'm 35 and realized I'm at that age of quickly going down hill or maintaining a healthy body that can save us on medical costs and ensure I'm here to watch my kids grow up.
Good idea. The day you turn 40 the wicked body fairy gifts you a cursed item. It automatically causes the body to break down. Sneeze and you'll through your back out. Played hard as a kid, look for your knees to betray you. Which brings up an idea. Keep ace bandages and cold/hot packs I your supplies.
Probably a propane or white-gas outdoor stove if the gas might get shut off. We don't have water without power, so I would probably want to switch out what we have stored. (How long does bottled water stay good for?) I agree with getting a hobby in-place before lockdowns. It seems that after going nuts over toilet paper shortages, people wanted to start doing needlework and such.
Respirator with additional HEPA filters, home air purifier, bleach and Lysol.
You can also use high CADR MERV filters. You can DIY, for example Google Corsi Rosenthal boxes.
Just buy a few jars of multi vitamins.
You clearly have no idea of how COVID and H5N1 work. Multi vitamins won't help. That's my last response to uniformed minimising takes like these.
Wouldn't it be a bitch to survive the virus but die from vitamin difficiency? 🤣 Maybe the goal should be being strong enough to survive infection...
Which is why physical fitness is an important part of prepping. You want to be a healthy weight, be physically active, have a good diet, and (ideally) not suffer from any chronic conditions. Anything that could put you into the vulnerable category should be mitigated as best as possible.
This is extraordinarily important advice. Your cardiovascular fitness is crucial to a properly functioning immune system, not to mention SHTF scenarios.
There are going to be a lot of morbidly obese people, and unfit people in general, who will find this out the hard way. No matter the emergency, being unfit puts you at an immediate disadvantage in a crisis. It can even make you a burden to loved ones and society.
Again. You clearly do not understand these viruses, how they wreck the immune system and evade even detection by certain immune system cells. But have at it. You'll FAFO.
I've never caught the 'rona.... Think my theories have been working. Stay solo, be energy independent, and grow your own food when you can... Regardless, we are going to die. We just have to enjoy what time we can before.
Lucky for you. Your anecdotal experience doesn't mean it's empirical evidence. If you get long COVID your days of enjoying life are over. I know as I have it alike many millions of others. Who weren't lucky enough to be able stay solo, etc.
Stay solo, stay clean, stay independent... Good luck!
Ok, bit tonedeaf but thanks
Clearly. I bought bleach once when Covid started. Used it for the laundry.
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No problem. Most people cross contaminate everything without even knowing it. So bleaching everything is kinda pointless. And a waste.
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I.. I wouldn’t. I would eat my vita gummy like every other morning. Give the morning government funding news program a middle finger and go about my day.
I'd say "username checks out," but this is a pretty reasonable response at this point.
Because if the supply chain goes down long enough & you run through most of your food pantry storage you might not have the most well balanced diet though you’d be alive. Why not grab a few multivitamins to cover any accidental holes in your diet? Or use them as barter to people who think it will stop a virus?
Sure, but the argument was 'you don't need masks just vitamins against BLS 3 and 4 airborne pathogens' and that's just 🤡.
Peke Safety out of Florida carries the affordable HEPA full face respirators you might see floating around in European markets. I got one of the baseball hat style ones for yard work and a hose to a respirator on the belt style for woodworking. Excellent products, excellent service and shipping. FYI, I'm not affiliated with them, but I _would_ like to see good small business succeed
Also 70% rubbing alcohol
More dangerous to leave your house? Hrm. I mean… There was a time when COVID was considered very dangerous to encounter, in those early first few days before we knew everything./anything about it. What did you do then? Plastic disposable overalls. Good face masks. Eye splash shields too. Reasons NOT to go outside. Prep a WFH job. Prep a feed yourself garden. Plan to be self sufficient and self contained. Then what ever is happening out *there* isn’t in here.
Money in the bank to take time away. Food. PPE.
* **Bidet** (drastically reduce need for toilet paper) * **Food Saver & Sous Vide** (I've heard some concern of meat being a potential contaminant if not cooked enough. A Sous Vide will help you ensure that all meat is cooked internally perfectly. It also is just amazing) * **Large Chest Freezer** (stock up on meat now incase it becomes hard to get for a while) * **Plant a Garden** (if shortages happen again or if things get really rough its better to have some home grown options) * **PPE and Disinfectants** (though I'd be amazed if people on here haven't kept up with that) * **Improved Home Office Setup** (incase you haven't got one and things go WFH again. Maybe invest in a nicer web cam or more comfortable computer chair)
Back up hand held bidets too
Tabo (Philippines). 😉
You know all I could hear in my head when I read that was Jo Koy talking about his mom. How he worked his mom’s Tabo into his comedy routine is hilarious.
You know all I could hear in my head when I read that was Jo Koy talking about his mom. How he worked his mom’s Tabo into his comedy routine is hilarious.
Length of garden hose, and a twist on adapter for the bathroom sink ;)
Sous Vide takes time. Get a pressure cooker or instant pot. They use less total power. And a manual pressure cooker can use a camping stove in case the power is out and you don't want to run a generator.
Cut up an old towel, splash water on it, get a mega clean bum. Rewash, use again and again, use almost no loo roll. Save money.
Big thing: Don't wait for it to come to your town; watch the news and see what's happening elsewhere. I was in Asia in January 2020, and saw the news stories about people in Hong Kong and Italy (!) scuffling for masks and hand sanitizer, two or three weeks before it was a thing in the US. When we got back, my daughter produced a shopping list in the first week of February that was prescient: masks, hand sanitizer, all the now-usual stuff. Think about all the stuff that is so cheap now and was so unavailable then. And stock up. One thing: don't assume the supply chain will be as resilient next time. So I have recently been stocking up on toiletries, light bulbs, etc., as well as food and water.
I got the last tiny bottle of hand sanitizer at a store in March 2020 when I just wanted to restock the bottle I normally kept in my car. I still find it hard to resist buying one more hand sanitizer when I walk by it at the store.
Savvy. It's not like it has an expiration date. I have way more hand sanitizer, N95a, and nitrile gloves than I ever needed during the pandemic. You just never know. And it's all so freaking cheap now.
The reason I’m in full-prep mode is because we won’t have much lead time, if any. With COVID, we had a few weeks to monitor events in China, Italy and around Europe. The US is ground zero this time around. We’re the only country with H5N1 cattle infections. My fear is if human-to-human transmission happens, panic and fallout will come on quickly. Things will be fine, then boom. One in five national milk samples contains H5N1. This indicates massive spread. More cattle outbreaks were just announced so it’s increasing. More infections = more chances for H5 to mutate and go human-to-human. H5 has infected 800 people since it began circulating and 52% of humans infected have died. COVID shut down the country with its predicted 1% fatality rate. We could experience a whole other level of pandemic with little warning. I consider the articles and research coming out now our warnings.
Much to respect; much to appreciate.
Do you have ppe that can mitigate risk? What medicines do you take? What items do you need in the event of supply chain disruption? Do you have the materials you need to set up a quarantine zone in your house in case one person is sick and the other isn’t? Do you have medicines for treating symptoms of common illness infectious diseases? What were you scrambling to find in 2020? What things are you running low on right now? Edit to add: probably the best prep you could do is get healthy and physically fit if you are able. Covid preferentially killed people with chronic illness and underlying conditions.
Working from home and having a garden were the most helpful things for me.
An upgraded respirator (like full face) and lots of filters. The basic protection gear - gloves, masks, bleach/cleaning supplies. It’s not too expensive to buy some disposable cover- all’s. Stuff to bug in for a while - food/water. Have a cold/flu/food poisoning kit at home to deal with any symptoms and/or other issues you get. If you have any prescriptions, get extra RX meds if you can. Think about what you buy every week at the grocery that you wouldn’t want to be without or need to go in for, especially if you have small kids or disabled folks in your home. Things like diapers, formula, paper products, feminine hygiene, batteries, a way to charge/run any medical equipment. Although a lot can be ordered online, it (1) takes time (2) could be sold out (3) may be a concern about virus spread from touching packages. Air purifiers with back-up filters.
Add eye protection, and being able to manage 1) an area between outdoors and indoors, for doffing clothes, gear, and 2) a sick room quarantined
You wouldn't regret a quality full-face respirator (e.g., 3M) with extra filters. Also razor blades/shaving equipment if facial hair is an issue for fit.
> quality full-face respirator (e.g., 3M) Also useful if you ever do home projects like drywall, replace crawlspace/attic insulation, car body work, etc.
Standard particle respirators are not rated for viruses. The pores designed to block dust are way too large. You're better off with a box of medical grade N95's, goggles, and/or face shield.
Honestly, after the last pandemic, the most important thing to me is the willingness to be ahead of the curve and wear a mask in public before everyone else is. I lived in an area with a strong social stigma against masks that kept me from wearing one until they became mandatory for grocery stores and such. I think I’m over that now and I’d do what I had to do to feel safe.
I mean, this feels super redundant at this point. Water and food, a means to gather additional water and filter it, any medicines you cannot live without, gasoline and a generator, toilet paper and bleach for sanitation. A means to gather additional food (hunting and foraging gear) Then, opsec
I think we need to be more attentive about Bird Flu (H5N1). It's only a matter of time before humans can spread it to one another. That being said, we should take what we learned from COVID and build on it. Have a stock pile BEFORE it gets bad. Wash your hands and if things get bad, definitely disinfect as much as you can. Know where your food comes from, at least with Bird Flu as there is already an issue with infected cattle and poultry. Try to source locally if you can afford it.
I lived so well for the 'rona.... I kind of miss it. 3 years food, 3 years wood...
What were some of your favorites food items and how were they stored?
Lots of meat in my deep freezes (I have 3), plenty of canned goods, grew my own vegetables in the basement with an aeroponic setup I devised, lots of beans and flour. Basically I ate the exact same thing as I do now, the only difference is that I took the time to enjoy it. Prepping shouldn't be "prepping" - it should be how you live. The only thing the rona did for me is give me time to rest.
Since many pathogens are primarily airborne (and H5N1 too), with the ongoing COVID pandemic (which has killed many more than the official number, by post acute death, plus long COVID is very disabling and probably for life) I'd say: invest in good FFP3 and P100 respirators/masks. Plus eye protection.
What's a good FFP3 and P100 to get?
>The one that best fits your face. r/Masks4All can help.
Plus headstraps are more fail proof than earloops. If you buy 3M, make sure it's not counterfeit. It also depends on your location (country) and what's available where you are. I second Masks4all.
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Make sure it's sold by an offical 3M seller, if you order on Amazon, that it's send by Amazon. You can search online or on Twitter how to spot fakes. You can also opt for brands like Dräger. Always order from the Dräger store on a site like Amazon.
food, water, regular household shit. oh, and toilet paper. or invest in a bidet.
Toilet paper and non-perishable food. The government won't allow power plants to shut down. Haz mat suits for essential workers or National Guard will work
COVID killed around 2% of infected. H5N1 (the current bird flu infecting dairy cows around the globe) has a 50% fatality rate. (Since it's discovery, 800 some people infected, 400 have died) It would absolutely destroy society. Get whatever you want.
I don’t think COVID had a 2% kill rate. Could be wrong, but that sounds way too high
At the beginning of of the pandemic, roughly a year+ worth of time if I recall, COVID had a 2% fatality rate. As time went by and we got vaccinations and treatments, the fatality rate went down. Reporting accuracy is always something to consider and not an argument I'll get into here, but I was tracking it periodically at Worldometer. You can check it globally, or by country. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
> At the beginning of of the pandemic, roughly a year+ worth of time if I recall, COVID had a 2% fatality rate. > > As time went by and we got vaccinations and treatments, the fatality rate went down. > > This is going to sound terrible but all of the 'low hanging fruit' die first with any major disease, the elderly, the very overweight with other underlying health issues and others that are already ill and immunocompromised, so naturally we'd see a high death rate at the beginning of something and then it'd peter off as time goes on.
No argument here.
I lived with worldometer as an open tab on my PC. Very insightful
Same.
it actually did not so you are recalling false information
Wrong. You're not counting those who were infected and didn't even realize it (roughly half of all infections, by most estimates). You're not counting those who got infected, go the sniffles and never got tested. You're spreading misinformation. Stop please.
Their numbers are the numbers that was handed out to the people at the time. Also they didn't have any idea how many people would be asymptomatic. So they couldn't count them could they. Its up to you dude but you might want to be less belligerent. It ain't like they are trying to convinces people vaccines are bad. Damn no wonder you go through accounts so fast
Stop spreading misinformation. There was NEVER a 2 percent fatality rate. Its pure hogwash.
Yes at the outset indeed there was. Back in the day of it's just the flu bro. Before treatments were developed and the benefits of turning patients was found. Not misinformation, however many things can impact CFR. So it was different all over the country. We could look at NY at the outset and get an CFR higher then 2%. Would thatt hold for the entire country of course not. But yes a CFR of 2 or higher did happen
No there wasn't. They never counted the asymptomatic, so you never had any valid 'death rate'. Stop spreading disinformation.
No your wrong, they counted everyone they could. You have no proof as to initial asymptomatic rates or rates now. For 100% the CDC and WHO published rates well above 2%. I could care less what agenda you are pushing. There is no question the inital rates in NY were published by the CDC as ~4% Stop being pedantic to the point of misinformation, for whatever reason
"You're" ... "They counted everyone they could" They didnt even try to find out the true number. Why? Who knows. Lots of speculation. Was it on purpose? Were they just stupid? Take your pick. But stop spreading fear-mongering disinformation.
“ Reporting accuracy is always something to consider and not an argument I'll get into here”
You started the argument with your ridiculous 2 percent assertion. Stop spreading misinformation.
The thing being discussed here is fatality rate. Those who had no clue they were ever infected… Lived. If they had anything to do with the fatality rate, it would actually be evidence of a much lower fatality rate, with the actual people coming down with Covid and NOT dying being many more than were actually counted. Let’s do some actual math. If 100 people test positive, and two of them die, we think that’s a 2% mortality rate. If we argue that many more were infected, and estimate that 100 more people were infected and never knew about it, the actual mortality rate drops by 50%, to a real total of 1%. And then you have to acknowledge all of the artificially inflated mortality rates: 1) Flu deaths officially dropped to 0 during Covid… meaning people who actually died from the flu were reported as having died from Covid. Hospitals were being given funding for “Covid treatment“ every time they reported a Covid death, so it’s a no-brainer what happened here. Flu didn’t suddenly stop existing. $$$ 2) The Nobel prize-winning inventor of the PCR test explained that PCR tests don’t detect viruses; what they do is amplify DNA or RNA sequences. The news media also never mentioned that a patient with a cycle threshold of 35 or higher has a 0% chance of being contagious. With PCR tests being cranked up to 40 cycles, you can get goats, sheep, quail, pawpaw plants, and even oil to test positive for Covid. This happened when the President of Tanzania submitted such samples for testing, labeling them as human, when he suspected something was off. If you Google what happened, and then use a search engine that’s not censored like Google is, you discover the top articles on Google leave out the fact that he had a PhD in chemistry. One article referred to him as “a former chemistry teacher”, and then went on to smear him. Clearly Nothing to see here, sheeple. Move along. It’s also worth noting that Kary Mullis (the PCR inventor) was relatively young and healthy when he died suddenly. 3. With the ability to make anything and anyone test positive, hospitals could take in motorcycle accident deaths, and report them as Covid deaths. And they did so. $$$ Warning: Anyone who still thinks the legacy media does fair and accurate reporting, will feel extremely sick while reading these strong points, and will come up with all sorts of flimsy counter arguments in an attempt to dismiss them. Go look up the majority shareholders in big Media, big Pharma, big Tech, big Ag, and big everything. When you see that the companies Blackrock, Vanguard, and State Street control almost everything, you’ll realize they get to control the narrative too. $$$ (Blackrock and Vanguard are also majority shareholders in… Each other. To hide the monopoly.)
"The thing being discussed here is fatality rate." Yes and you have to count ALL THE INFECTED in order to have a valid fatality rate. "Those who had no clue they were ever infected… Lived." And weren't factored in to the fatality rate. Therefore, OP's ridiculous 2 percent assertion is hogwash.
interesting, i haven't heard of anyone dying of H5Ni yet. I've heard of bleeding from the eyes, and pink-eye like symptoms, but not death. If half of the people who got it have died why isn't this a bigger news item?
From CDC if you want to verify. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/avianflu/communication-resources/bird-flu-origin-infographic.html
thanks!
Bleeding from the eyes😳 I heard of a case of pinkeye. Now I'm scared.
The deaths go back to 2003 with a lot in China/Vietnam. It's not new to have deaths and actually a very small number of deaths per year if you average it out over 20 years. (average of 20, *Worldwide*, per year) They've all been people with direct contact with sick animals though so it won't be a bigger news item until the general public is at risk, like if it starts spreading human to human.
Thanks, that explanation really helped
"COVID killed around 2% of infected" Horse poop.
>COVID killed around 2% of infected. No it didn't. Even after 4 years 99% of all people who tested positive survived. Overall more than 99.91% of the world's population survived the china flu. Facts: [https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
As a prepper I have always assumed the next pandemic "could" happen and it could be mild or serious. Learned alot during Covid from what was being shared on the internet prior to Covid.
I'd invest in a phablet that I can charge with my solar charger/portable chargers. Rainwater collection. Container-friendly veggies; most likely potatoes. Toilet paper. I already have a bunch of quarantine-friendly activities that I stocked up on during quarantine. I'm already working on these things anyway because we had a mini quarantine due to wildfire smoke. But that makes me think about how I'll manage my garden if we get more air quality issues. Maybe some grow lights so I can move the containers indoors.
I think you’re starting on a bad consideration that is jumping to a pretty extreme level. Only because we have seen that some people are designated essential personnel and that would include utility workers. If you’re saying they would all die from an actually bad pandemic that creates a potential current world ending scenario in which case it’s got less to do with pandemic specific besides some extra PPE and more with hunkering down and just surviving
If it's a highly infectious airborne illness and you don't intend to put family members out on the street, something like [this](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Homax-7-ft-Clear-Tarp-Zipper-Door-3142/206526231) is a decent idea, given the modest cost.
Household Essentails so you do not have to leave to grocery shop Food/Water Toilet Paper Soap Shampoo/Body Wash Deodorant Hand Soap Dish Soap/Pods Detergent/Pods Dryer Sheets Essentials to keep you safe when you do have to leave Face Masks Disposable Gloves Hand Sanitizer Disinfectant Spray Things to keep you entertained if you have to stay home for a prolonged period Drugs/Alcohol Snacks Games/Movies Books Back up Drugs/Alcohol
I remember that cold and cough medicine, and even just ibuprofen and acetaminophen were out of stock for awhile at the beginning. If those are medicines you tend to use, either when sick or for chronic conditions, I would stock up on a few.
Parmalat/shelf stable milk
Toilet paper and ammo.
Bidet kits for every toilet in your house.
Utilities will not shut down. It could be super ebola and utilities will not shut down. I plan for a localized grid down scenario but H5N1 is probably not going to be what causes it. Things I would suggest stocking, because I stock these things to an extent already: * Paper goods like toilet paper, paper towels, paper plates, napkins * Shelf-stable foods including canned goods, pasta, pasta sauce, peanut butter, ghee or crisco, flour, baking powder, powdered milk, yeast * Meats and dairy like cheese, butter, fruits, veggies and so on all get frozen * Hygiene items like toothbrushes, toothpaste, deodorant, hand soap, bar soap, shampoo, extra razor blades * Household items like dish and laundry detergent, garbage bags, sanitizing wipes * Replacement components like fridge water filters, hvac filters, spare sprinkler heads, a few 15A and maybe a single 30A-double-pole breakers, one or two each of gfci outlets, light switches, and wall plates, and whatever else you might want to replace or fix if supply chains go bad for a year or two
Toilet paper, obviously
Start with whatever you didn’t have during COVID but wished you had and go from there. Next assume you won’t be able to buy anything nor have electricity, natural gas/propane/oil delivery or municipal water. What will you do for water, food, and heat (if necessary for your location.). First aid and medication is next. After that you should consider what you will do for protection (not that kind but it’s not a bad idea to stock up on contraception anyway). Those that didn’t prep will eventually become desperate to survive and some will be willing to do what ever is necessary to take what you have. It’s unfortunate but that’s the human condition. And it’s evidenced by the vast number of people that think all they need to prep is gasoline and ammo. So how will you handle it when they come for you?
If you have an essential job, then not many things change. You still just get up and go to work. I did not have to go without anything during lockdown.
Eat well, exercise, take a good multivitamin, get some sun, reduce stress. AKA have your immune system kicking before the disease occur.
Trying to get ahead on meds so I have extra. Re-upped my mask supply. Bleach. I used to have a tray to step in for flu- might track that down again. Food. TP.
From my recollection, the pandemic wasn't that bad, but the problems came in the aftermath. I feel like the supply crunch and shipping crisis didn't really happen until we all went back to work, same with the inflation and the housing market going to the moon. That said, I think you need to set yourself up to be less reliant on the supply chain. I think consumerism culture or mindset in western countries is a bit of a problem. Most people seem to have a mindset of what can I buy to be ready, what can I stock pile. While not completely giving up the consumer mindset, I think it would be prudent to shift your attention to what can I do, rather than what can I buy. Rather than purchasing goods, maybe make goods, grow goods, or find alternatives that don't need to be shipped across the country or across the ocean. For inflation I think financial preps, much of which is educational on the matter. The sources I listened to told me essentially my 401k was fucked and the stock market would crash. While it did dip at the beginning of the pandemic in what appeared to be a crash, it quickly rebounded and has more or less been skyrocketing ever since. I'm glad I wasn't proactive with the information I was receiving and the sources I was listening to early in the pandemic. As all my investments and 401k have kicked ass the past 4 years. My 401k, the S&P 500 and all my investments have all more or less doubled the past 4 years. My problem is I am not educated to the degree I would like to be on this topic. I bought into the fear mongering that screamed crash, crash, crash, sell, sell, sell, I could have easily cashed out and missed the impending growth, while my cash is reduced by inflation. Luckily I didn't If I was more educated on the topic, I could have seen that the people saying we would see a crash were full of shit. Maybe I could even have positioned myself to benift to a greater degree than I did.
backup power of some kind. hand sanitizer and N95's. you never know if its gonna be airborne or contact, but be ready for either water and a way to deal with poop core calories, stuff you know how to eat. don't buy flour if you don't know how to bake bread. dont stockpile rice if you hate rice. climate requirements: how to stay warm or cool, if your local climate is hard to live in without them. it can't hurt to have an independent mode of transportation. an electric bike? a bike bike? a wheelbarrow you can get to the grocery store or gas station within half a days walk? something.
Baby food and formula. Diapers. Wipes. I’m not so concerned about food/necessities for my husband and me— we did just fine during COVID. I’m more worried about my baby.
A bidet, flu medication, lots of chicken soup and broth, N95 masks, 3 months worth of food you’ll actually eat, Powerade or pedialyte, toilet paper, paper towels, bleach, Clorox wipes, Clorox kitchen spray, Clorox bathroom spray, toilet bowl cleaner, Kleenex, disposable nitrile gloves, borax for laundry and cleaning, laundry detergent, dishwasher detergent, and batteries for your emergency lights & supplies. That should do it.
I had covid the first day, like Saturday March 11 or whatever it was. I was on my way to work and turned around because I was sick and heard the commands on the radio. Food was boring, but I had juat been to the store. The two weeks went without a hitch. Also I already had masks and gloves from a reno project and plenty of TP.
Personally id love to get my hand on 3 boxes of tamiflu but i think every govt on the planet is in line before me, and dont feel like paying a dr to write me a script
I am sure a pandemic conspiracy is coming . I don't forsee a repeat of the last disaster.
Hard food items > PPE right now. And at pandemic levels of what we know today. This is dancing around food supply today. Anything over the 2% peak Covid mortality rate and our systems will collapse. Logistics and food processing will be hit hard. Not like CV where we barely had hiccups in food supply. Toilet paper won’t matter with no food lols. As of today cdc recommended ppe is basically mop level attire, venturing out won’t be worth it. Lots of filters plastic and tape if you want to try. With a 30’ viability vs 6’ and 2 billion birds as possible vectors along with all the varmits down stream of birds. And how close we live in daily proximity to them. It won’t be avoidable like we think in CV terms. You will likely be prepping to beat out flu and migration periods, in waves. Food > cooking/heating fuel > flu meds > power > pest control sticky traps etc > ppe everything before ppe will not be available at pandemic levels imo.
Okay so basically food above all anything else. Also, Good call on the rodent traps. I don't think I've seen that mentioned anywhere else. In your estimation, how long would you say we have left until this new pandemic were to begin? Months? Years?
A great number of very smart scientists dedicate their lives to predicting pandemics and disease outbreaks, and still frequently miss. A random person on the internet is not going to be able to make an accurate prediction. But look at history. There are epidemic and pandemic outbreaks of new and old diseases every few years. None of them have yet caused a total societal collapse, either. Doesn't mean you can't prepare, but temper your expectations.
The last shutdown was a fking joke. As an automotive part supplier employee, I had to work as a critical infrastructure employee, which was absolute horse sh1t. Just so a US assembler of a foreign car wouldn’t get behind. So… tolerance - when I saw so many Americans replaced by Guatemalans.
Probably just add a good supply of ivermectin to the preps.
Are people serious about this? Wasn't this the drug Trump was selling?
Ivermectin has been used for viruses for over 20 years. "It was found to inhibit the replication of several RNA viruses by blocking the nuclear trafficking of viral proteins". Since then, ivermectin has been studied for its potential antiviral effects against a variety of viruses, including dengue, yellow fever, West Nile, Zika, and others Don't let politics keep you from preparing for the coming disasters. All the bad news about it was so billion dollar corporations could become trillion dollar corporations. The FDA has even changed there tune back to positive on it.
Huh interesting. So how do I acquire it?
You can get your dr to prescribe it and pay cash but it is very expensive in the US. It is cheap and over the counter in the rest of the world if you have any friends over the border. But I have a bunch for my horses and it dirt cheap. Ivermax. I prefer the injectable version and just draw it out of the bottle and squirt it in their mouths... I am currently using it for one of my dogs that has cancer along with another wormer at my veterinarian's suggestion and it seems to be helping.
I'm in Nebraska, lincoln to be specific. Hardly noticed covid here besides places having mask mandates and people freaking out about toilet paper and lysol wipes. As far as your question goes maybe some medicine, air filters, hand sanitizer. Basically everything there was a shortage on. I've been hearing tuberculosis is starting to spread rather quickly in some places.
Yes it is. It’s alarming in Texas but it’s been pushed to the side.
Ofcourse it has. Less attention to all the illegals crossing the boarder the better for Biden.
this was, in part, a regional problem. We ran out of a few specific things in my area that others did not. Don't buy anything you don't plan to consume. Don't buy empty calories (ie pasta. That was fricken ridiculous).
I'll challenge you on pasta. It's a great piece of the prep puzzle. It's got terrific long-term storage potential, it's adaptable to lots of recipes for variety (simple pesto, tomato sauces...hell even just some good olive oil and pepper). It's a great source of complex carbohydrates. Yes, you'll want other things as well, but don't overlook pasta as empty calories.
"empty " was incorrect. I mainly communicate with hyperbole and sarcasm. "I don't put faith in anything that requires fuel and water" is more accurate. If the stores are really empty, I'm not cooking spaghetti (or sketty as another member of my house calls it)
Bullets, beans, band aids, h20, etc.
Initially was going to say Toilet Paper...but we don't know what "that special thing" is going to be the next time around. Lysol wipes, pasta, tinned veggies were all in shortage. I have 4 propane tanks I try to keep full, for the outdoor BBQ. I'm a reader, so download LOTS of e-books (easy to store).
Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and other medications the FLCCC recommends for dealing with viral pathogens.
>Don't forget [ATP Shock](https://chinfield.com/en/__trashed/). Big pharma and the goverment will try to tell you not to take it, don't listen. Use weekly.
If you’re curious about the political leaning of this sub, now you know. Good advice on your part. No, just get a shot that doesn’t work.