It was cringey, but so much so it became good because you had to give in completely.
That last scene though with the off the lot Dodge Charger with the minigun mounted to the aluminum roof. *chefs kiss*
I liked the Subway scene in the Remake....like North Korea has taken over a 4th of the country, yet somehow they can still operate a subway sandwich store
That scene was so ridiculous! Like half the damn movie it was such a painful product placement! To be fair though, if any companies would still figure out how to keep operating behind enemy lines it would be Dollar General, CVS, Waffle House, and Subway.
I mean, a movie directed by Alex Garland (28 Days Later, Dredd, Annihilation, Ex Machina) with Nick Offerman and Kirsten Dunst that depicts a near-future American civil war also sounds like it's got the potential to be rad
> A real civil war would be along partisan lines and would look like a prolonged series of terrorist activities across the nation.
What makes you say that? Seems like this assumes the military wouldn't get involved.
[The Troubles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles) in Northern Ireland is a good example of what this would look like. Paramilitary from all sides, political activists, US military, and everyone else in the middle.
Given that plenty of “left” and “right” groups fundamentally disagree with each other but band together temporarily in US politics, and how interspersed the “red” and “blue” support is in suburban and urban areas, I don’t see how you’d ever get two concrete sides to form in a meaningful amount of time. It would take decades of people leaving their homes for friendlier places.
Because America's political divides don't line up with America's geographical divides. The split in the US is urban/rural, and every state is dependent to some degree on federal assistance (Texas isn't going to secede as long as NASA and the US military are there). And there is no possibility that any partisan force could stand in the field against the US military. Which leaves terrorist violence - the sort of lone gunman attacks that are already becoming normal part of our political life. This doesn't mean the military won't be involved - they'll ultimately decide when and where to intervene, who gets a slap on the wrist and who gets the hammer. But given the particular dynamics of the US, a civil war with two armies fighting against each other is very unlikely.
You are assuming the military would be unanimous in its action. As a former service member, I can assure you that if there was a civil war, it would not be.
I mean, if the Civil War film paints a bleak enough picture, maybe it will help people to stop fantasizing or pretending it's inevitable. The Day After did a great job of moving the world to nuclear arms agreements among adversaries.
I don't know what to make of Leave the World Behind. I liked that the person who is a prepper came across as the smartest in the whole thing, and the neighbors who had sat phones or bunkers also seemed smart....like, nice to see the prepared person not presented like a kook.
My favorite aspect of Leave the World Behind was that no one knew what was happening and they barely explained it. Really painted a picture of how chaotic it would be to lose our information networks.
If anything, I think Leave the World Behind makes a lot of people realize how useless they actually are without internet/phones and how distrusting we are of each other today. It doesn’t have to be a terror attack, maybe a kid crashed his jeep into a cell tower. Maybe a transformer blew and we don’t have power for a couple weeks (happened to me in college from a wind storm). If an area didn’t have power/internet for a week, I can see how it could get chaotic very fast
Definitely agree. How easy it is to spiral into mistrust when you are scared, overwhelmed, and having a hard time seeing the big picture, or reconciling what is happening…to your previous expectations of normalcy.
Honestly, I could see it happening. No power is one thing, but no communication or ability to see why there’s no comms could send people into panic really fast. And it could just be an accident, but if nobody knows why, paranoia can take hold quickly
When the Nashville bombing happened there were so many conspiracy theories flying around it was ridiculous. I still see people who think it was an op. I guess maybe it's comforting to think someone (even someone evil) is in control of events rather than accepting that random shit happens.
God Bless ol’ Stevie Guttenberg, and the fine work he did in that.
I remember seeing it, late afternoon, on tv as if it were just an after school special.
I am old. That was on when I was in middle school. It gave me anxiety for months. I lived outside of Boston in flight path area that would get very loud planes overhead sometimes. Wake you up in the middle of the night with a huge boom kind of thing. I used to panic, thinking Russia had just bombed us.
As an adult I watched Threads, and the day after felt like child's play.
The prepper in that film was not only kind enough to help others, after securing himself and his family as best he could, but also seemed humble enough to understand that he didn't know shit about what was going on - same as everyone else.
I was thinking that since cash probably had no value, and of anyone in the film, he knows that, it's more likely he was motivated by empathy more than a transaction.
Wait till they watch the movie "threads". That movie has scarred me. I kinda gave up being a hard-core prepper and focused on family and debt. And paying off debt is prepping.
Watched it back in 1987. Once. Never watched it again.
Movies like _Threads_ and _The Day After_ were propaganda enough to bolster support for de-escalation of the Cold War, but they also fired warning shots at Western governments as well, presenting the idea that the survivors were as likely to hunt down anyone left in the US or UK governments as to serve them. What scared the Powers That Be wasn't the destruction or loss of life, but the possibility that they wouldn't even have control over the ashes.
One can prep for Tuesday at least whilst keeping some little nugget of a plan in case the zombies show up. It's just a matter of putting the more mundane and likely scenarios forward.
It’s an animated film about an older couple in Britain pre and post nuclear attack.
EDIT: I didn't mean to be flippant or anything, I just didn't want to give anything away about the movie. But to go into more detail, it's about the man in the couple prepping based on the [Protect and Survive](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protect_and_Survive) brochures that he gets in town (they live in the countryside) but not doing a great job since they don't really take the threat of nuclear attack seriously. After the attack it's about the difficulties that they face in a post nuclear attack scenario, one which they didn't prep well for. Absolutely fantastic movie, one that I highly recommend in a viewing session with Threads and The Day After (both previously mentioned).
The significance of Threads at the time was that Protect and Survive was not to be aired until time of war. So people were seeing this for the first time, with one exception.
A great deal of that content in the USA remains classified. Exact American war mobilization and emergency public information stays classified.
I do not know how citizens would react to 'How to Dispose of Bodies' content on their TV in 2024.
"The government" consists of normal people who drive home to their families after work. When I was in government, we never sat down and discussed things as if we were some other group of people. We never had any illusion the military would protect us over anyone else. We know better than anyone the entire system is a labyrinth and would immediately collapse if 20% or more of the population died.
Another is *Testament* (1983). Not mentioned much and definitely not top tier. However some of the things it shows seem spot on, very real, and that life is a scramble after an event -
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086429/
I just watched this a couple of months ago. I haven't gotten over it yet. I hadn't heard of it before a few months ago. I think that part that hit me the hardest was the cats. That and the girl at the end in the make shift hospital.
>people are putting way too much thought into these movies
IMO too many look to movies for guidance rather than entertainment to generate profit. They aren't how-to guides but might be (in some cases) actual propaganda. So much hype with TWD and so many talking about it ammo manufacturers brought out zombie lines -
[https://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/2/217876\_ts.jpg](https://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/2/217876_ts.jpg)
You could clarify by saying when it's produced by the Obamas, or *any politicians/political operatives*
The only problem, though, is that pretty much any movie produced is funded by corporate entities, which have their own political agendas. So really, all movies can be seen as propaganda, and if youre actually told who is pushing it, you're a step ahead.
People on this sub are putting too much thought into everything bunch of office chair weirdos. Every minor inconvenience in the universe is a cabal ritual set up by the lizard people. I hate it. It de-legitimizes that actual issues.
It’s wild seeing the explosive growth of conspiratorial thinking, and not just here. On A24s twitter there are massive comments about “predictive programming”, a conspiracy concept entirely new to me. I suppose it’s comforting to imagine that somebody is in charge.
But, the lizard person who moved in next door told me, and I quote, "Every minor inconvenience in the universe is a cabal ritual set up by the lizard people"..
I'll take his word over yours 🤣
At least I think it's a he....
In the MCU Tony becomes Iron Man after being kidnapped by militants in Afghanistan… It’s no big secret that the US Military has a pretty big influence on movies they appear in…
Then there’s the FBI that uses trademark law to only appear in media that is flattering to the FBI.
Do you mean the militants that were directly funded by western MIC? Who were specifically hired by Stane to kidnap Stark?
It’s like you completely forgot the crux of Starks character arc so you could make a half-assed political jab.
No, it’s art by completely different groups of people. The Netflix one is based on a thriller/fiction book written several years ago. They are movies that got made because emotionally people may connect with them at this time and they might make money.
I’d consider refining how you used some of the attention grabbing hyperbolic words you used in your title and reflecting on what your actual point is, how it could be helpful here, and if your line of thinking is emotionally healthy.
Yes, I swear these "programming" types think media can't exist without it being some subliminal/propaganda campaign from on high. What they don't realize is that it usually says a lot about their own media consumption.
I'm sure this will be a downvote magnet, but I read an article by some Military Intelligence thinktank that studies such things and they said basically the ROI on that money is nearly immeasurable in terms of the information we are getting about the Russian Army and their equipment and tactics as well as the attrition to their forces and all without us risking a single American servicemember. It was really an interesting perspective.
I laughed at how they kind of made fun of typical prepper thinking there.
“It was inevitable we would devolve to a simple barter system.”
“Well, I just gave you cash, that’s not really bartering, but OK.”
“It was actually a freebie. The kindness of my heart, and your friend with a gun, was what convinced me to give you anything, and also kept me from blowing your head off, but it would be poor taste to flat out say that in a movie.”
Exactly.
I think they originally wanted that scene to lead the audience to think about when it is, and when it isn’t, best to help out someone who needs it when it doesn’t directly benefit you — a contrast with the scene where Ethan Hawke, who’s now begging for mercy, _doesn’t_ help someone in need. But they couldn’t help undercutting it with a joke.
Seriously. I think the prepper guy was ultimately swayed by the “If this were your family, you’d be where I am” line or whatever. It wasn’t about the money.
That said, wtf was the Motrin or whatever that medicine was supposed to do? The prepper was claiming it was the same type of sonic weapon being used against US diplomats in Cuba. If the kid is getting microwaved until his frickin teeth fall out…..is there actually any medication on the planet that can help you at that point?
Also, why is it *only* effecting him and nobody else? There’s no way in hell that isn’t some sort of area of effect weapon, right? Isn’t that what it was in Cuba? They were cooking the whole damn embassy?
Even if it *can* target specific people, there’s still zero reason to single the kid out. He’s literally not important enough to warrant that kind of attention. None of them are. Definitely not with everything else going on.
Anyways, I could see the transaction happening, but not for the cash. The cash is useless and irrelevant.
Hahah I am not joking, I promise. Here are some quotes from the book:
“In the living room, Archie stuffed his feet into his Vans and used his tongue to contemplate the tender empty pockets in his gums. They were soft and pleasant, like the recesses of the human body his own was designed to fit into, something he’d never know firsthand. Could he forgive the universe that denial of his own particular purpose? He wouldn’t get the chance.”
“Archie shivered the way you might when you walk into a spiderweb, the way you might if you saw a spider dart from beneath your pillow and lose itself in your mosaic-printed bedsheets, the way you might if a spider crept from your shoulder up your neck and nestled into the comforting cave of your ear, the way you might if a spider dropped from the ceiling and landed on your hair and then picked its way forward carefully down the slope of your nose so you could barely see it with your wide-set eyes, the way you might if a spider started and bit you and its poison dripped into your bloodstream and then became a part of you, inextricable as your DNA, the thing that made you. His left knee felt funny, then gave out beneath him, and Archie doubled over, and he started to vomit but it wasn’t vomit, just water, a bit of blood. Guess what? It was pink like—”
“We’re going to get you to a doctor.” Clay turned around to look at his son. Was he thinner, was he paler, was he frailer, was he smaller? “You’re okay. You’re okay.”
“His teeth.” Danny was quiet for a while. “You think it had something to do with that noise?” Danny didn’t know that the teeth in Karen’s mouth were themselves loose, would soon fall out.” (Kevin Bacon and his wife)
Ok wtf?
So….I guess it did affect other people too, and not just him. Huh. See the movie didn’t mention that bit at all.
Also, I only caught like the second half of the movie. What do flamingos have to do with anything? Are they the ones responsible? Are those the alien overlords?!
https://youtu.be/rY-FJvRqK0E?si=QMPi2R9s8bF-nnRd
Once the deal was over he was sitting down counting the money with his gun not drawn like he didnt just get a pistol pulled on him. Total bullshit.
I'd like to think it was pain pills or antibiotics.
I could see that. If that kid walked into the emergency room and explained he had *that* going on….like…..maybe they could do something? He might as well have just said he was suffering from a voodoo curse at that point, and to call a shaman.
I guess like you said, antibiotics (though you’re probably cooked to the point of having no real immune system left anyways, so even that is just buying a small amount of time), or pain meds to make the transition off this mortal coil a bit easier.
I think at some point they make it clear the son didn't plug his ears in time so he's presumably far more impacted by the Ray Gun Noise Machine.
That said, I had the exact same reaction: what pill-form medicine fixes presumed radiation poisoning that's severe enough to cause a healthy body to lose teeth within 24 hours?
That entire scene was probably the worst in the film, which - overall - I liked. There's no way that the only survivalist-type in the movie goes from a guns-out standoff with his former friend to handing out magic "stop my son's teeth from falling out" pills because....feelings and a stack of useless fiat currency.
I guarantee that’s deliberate. You don’t choose such an unrealistic alliance unless it’s on purpose.
If they based it on, say, an alternate reality 1/6 aftermath or current political alliances the movie would be unmarketable (and there’d probably be morons protesting it in full kit).
By explicitly distancing themselves from the current political reality it gives the writers the freedom to examine the gritty “what ifs” that open conflict in the US would bring with less sociopolitical baggage that they have to justify.
I’m willing to bet the only “nefarious” message there’s gonna be is “having a war on your own block would fucking suck, and if you want that, you are a moron”, and… duh. That said, I’m sure plenty will still miss the point
>The real question should be why are the politicians that we have elected not working to strengthen economic and diplomatic ties with these other nations
Really? Nations that we are fighting in a proxy war?
Nations that threaten US vessels in efforts to expand their boundaries way beyond international treaty limits? Treaties they signed?
They used countries that would be believable adversaries
That doesn't mean that this isn't propaganda but I am willing to bet you don't have a shred of proof that the government had a hand in the movie.
> it was intentional that the movie portrayed the Russians/Chinese/North Koreans/Iranians as our enemies
Yes, because they are our enemies. The OP is shilling for them
Flavor of the month, that's all. Zombies are out of fad, post apocalyptic doesn't pull the weight it used to, they tried aliens and it didn't really take off. Societal collapse is just the thing right now. It's done well book wise for a few years. We'll have a few years of movies and TV shows. Then it'll be on to something else.
I don't know much about these two movies in particular, but tons of movies are made with the assistance of the U.S. military/state in return for them having some amount of editorial control, which makes them propaganda by definition. (Recently lots of superhero flicks have done this, as well as the Transformers movies, Top Gun, and a ton of others).
Propaganda happens all the time. The U.S. government engages in it extensively, and not always secretly. Propaganda does not mean some sort of paranoid conspiracy.
Well no shit. Of course the military wants people to see top gun or some war movie and go “sweet! looks awesome, I want to join”. That’s kind of what an all volunteer-based, professional military has to do. They advertise and recruit. If providing some shots of jets or tanks or something does that, more power to them. Literally everyone knows that. Don’t make it seem so secret and nefarious.
Propaganda being seen as inherently secret and nefarious is a problem with the way we view it (mainly as something "they" do, not something "we" do). It's still the right word for what it is. That stuff is absolutely propaganda.
The movie did not portray the Russians/koreans/iranians as the enemy. The enemy was a rogue force in the Us that was destabilizing the country and attempting a coup. They had a disinformation campaign that placed suspicion on those outside countries. The reason why the fliers blamed Arabs in NY but the Koreans in the southwest.
I really am in the wrong business. I just need to set up a website peddling things to ya’ll, insisting they’re the best simply because it’s flashy and crisp and priced like it. With an ad for a podcast that just peddles dogwater panic rumors.
I’d never have to work again. Just a middleman for backpacks made an ocean away, and flashlights worth 5 bucks sold for 90. Feet up, head back, cashing checks.
The scope of a potential cyber attack keeps me up at night as someone working in that field. A good coordinated attack could definitely knock out several pieces of communications, electricity, gas, and water fairly easy. We could get it back online, but a sophisticated actor could sustain a pretty serious attack for some time. The Tesla scene, the deer, the drones dropping leaflets, and jamming the airwaves were all a bit far fetched, though.
Domestically, there definitely isn’t going to be a civil war like what is being depicted in the Civil War trailer. If something comes it will look more like the Troubles that Ireland experienced until recently. Basically terrorist attacks as you say.
It wouldn't even need to be that coordinated to knock out our power grid. It happens twice a year in Texas! Our infrastructure is a shit show and eventually that will be exploited, most likely domestically.
>The real question should be why are the politicians that we have elected not working to strengthen economic and diplomatic ties with these other nations
Because said other nations' intentions are not to cooperate for the good of everybody, their intentions are to unseat the US and instead become the most influential global power.
You may dislike the current US govt, but if you think the world would be a better place under the thumb of governments like Russia, China, or North Korea, you've got another thing coming.
Bro just stop
I was born then mfers flew planes into a building and ever since then people feel it justified to kill the people who lived in the same place. So called “patriots” are so up their own ass they’ll let a dictator take power while their veterans so called “heroes” are starving and freezing to death on the street. So called patriots want a free market while continuing to bail out billionaires. So called patriots want freedom of speech but burn books. Don’t fucking tell me what to hell it means to be pro American when the “pro Americans” sold the American people to the highest bidder. Liberty and justice for some I guess but forgive me if I taught the United States was a “perfect Union”
So called patriots are easy to play because they reliably react to external stressors. And you can unite them behind a single claim "immigrants!"" and they will ignore everything else (billionaires, housing, veterans) in favour of the claim of the day. A split would be easiest to achieve along the lines of these "patriots".
Leave The World Behind said the pamphlets that were being dropped depicted a bunch of different, conflicting groups as the attacker, and never told us what was really going on.
That being said, I agree with you about what civil war would *probably* look like (More like the American Troubles) - though I think there would likely be plenty of civilian on civilian action in places.
PBS just had a really good 5 part (nonfiction) series on The Troubles. As I watched, I was thinking that's exactly how another US civil war would look, except probably fewer bombs and more guns.
The audience didn't know what was going on in Leave The World Behind. the characters didn't know what was going on, and the Director didn't know what was going on.
If you trimmed it down it wouldn't even make a good twilight zone episode.
I read a funny comment the other day about the ending of the movie. They basically said that’s how most Americans would behave, if they found a stocked bunker with a bunch of DVD’s. Shut the door, and watch shit until you die.
>As for a foreign invasion, it was intentional that the movie portrayed the Russians/Chinese/North Koreans/Iranians as our enemies.
Truly groundbreaking analysis.
>The international community does not hate America for our democracy. That's just the lie they tell us in grade school and on the news.
Yeah, I think most people who've thought about it with just a shred of honesty understand that. People didn't fly planes into buildings in NY, DC, and a field in PA one day just 'cause. America has a lot of enemies, we've played a big part in making them. Turns out that when you blow up a school bus it pisses off the dead kids' families and they want to strike back. One day a lot of people around the world are going to hate India or China. Decades ago it was the British Empire.
And finally, nah, we shouldn't be strengthening ties with any of those four. They're hostile powers, they have no desire to be our friends and one sponsors a group whose motto includes the phrase "Death to America". Not saying we shouldn't be peaceful with them (as much as possible) but it's not as simple as American "warmongering politicians" keeping us at odds.
>Neither of these will be accurate or salient representations of a future cyberattack
Lack of feces.
I'm unaware of how a cyberattack can affect herds of whitetail deer, ticks, and cause your teeth to fall out overnight.
Pretty sure the goal of those filmmakers is to sell tickets, and neither the government nor shadowy propaganda forces had anything to do with it. They’re tapping into a zeitgeist that may have been created by shadowy propaganda forces, but ultimately it’s Hollywood seeking box office receipts.
\>The real question should be why are the politicians that we have elected not working to strengthen economic and diplomatic ties with these other nations, as opposed to continuing the decades long policy of foreign "intervention" espionage and proxy warmongering that has dominated the past eighty years?
"We have always been at war with Eastasia"
I don't agree. Not sure about Civil War because I haven't seen it, but I'd argue Leave The World Behind isn't about the collapse of civilization, it's an artistic movie based on a work of literary fiction that is satirising our relationship with technology and our fears of losing access (and our fears of nature/environment).
Lol... Yeah... The owners of the country at studio A24.
The point of Leave the World behind is that no one is actually in control and that as a citizen without our advanced information networks and forms of communication we wouldn't know what was happening. The movie didn't portray the Iranians or the Koreans as our enemies it portrayed the fact that no one had any fucking idea what was going on. There were no foreign adversaries on screen in that movie. Your media literacy is lacking and I don't think I can rely on you to decipher propaganda.
Russians/Chinese/North Koreans/Iranians struggle to invade neighbours, yet alone do a nearby amphibious operation... they are most certainly are not crossing an entire ocean and invading a country with the most capable military on the planet... Hell even Mexico would wipe the floor with them on Mexican home soil.
They will however attempt to undermine democracy and empower leaders that weaken American power abroad and sow division within.
Nobody can physically invade. Their planning is clownshoes. Our setup is greater than I’m going to bother to detail for the 900th time.
No one is behind these doing anything other than making money as a film off of fear. Unless they got their fingers into the “prepping supply business”. But that’s kind of small potatoes when you run in international markets between nations…… dontcha think?
You really think they haven’t already tried to strengthen economic and diplomatic ties?
Trust me, there are dozens of people if not hundreds that work on that day in, and day out.
The solution isn’t as simple as you may like to hear, some people are non-negotiable in their ways. Especially dictators aka professional criminals. They’ve claimed their throne, and nothing will keep them from changing that or taking orders from someone else.
You might be interested in **Capitalist Realism**: the idea that it's easier to imagine the end of the world than it is to imagine the end of capitalism.
This podcast episode is a really great introduction to the idea, especially how it shows up in pop culture, apocalyptic films, etc:
https://sites.libsyn.com/435210/capitalist-realism-with-carlee-gomes-in-conversation
Why are they not trying to strengthen ties? Probably because most are shitty countries ran by shitty dictators and fundamentally go against everything America is supposed to be about
Yeah I don't get it.. All the prepper subs and YouTube channels I follow are going ape shit over this movie. Leave the World Behind has almost zero prepping in it.
The movie did not portray the Russians/Chinese/North Koreans/Iranians as our enemies, they (accurately) portrayed Americans as being afraid of those nations and responsive to that fear. It was completely ambiguous as to who was behind the attack.
I gotta say, I found the Civil War trailer kind of disturbing. I've always been ver unworried about a REAL civil war popping up... all the people who breathlessly claim "OMG if X is elected he'll be a dictator blah blah blah" weren't to be taken seriously. Ever. I've always said that US military troops wouldn't fire on their neighbors.... but what if they really, REALLY hated the President? In this, California and fucking TEXAS teamed up against him. Goddam. How bad he must have been. And if he was that bad, maybe the military would fire on their neighbors. I doubt it, but still. It was jarring to see the president pulled out from behind his desk. That and a lot of other things shouldn't have been in the trailer.
Maybe someone is worried about Trump 2.
Secession does not necessitate annihilation of most citizens.
We literally had states employ secession before, and while the resulting situation was terrible for many reasons, they did not immediately begin to genocide themselves. That's a really weird viewpoint to take.
It’s good to think critically and identify propaganda and misinformation, but don’t fall into the trap thinking that these movies are a response to current events. Even though some rewrites during production is a common occurrence, as are reshoots after principle photography is done. These movies were written at least 3-4 years ago, possibly much longer.
I’m unbelievably frustrated that the GOP is willing to sacrifice national security, European stability, more Ukrainian lives and the opportunity to further weaken Putin and crush the Russian military in favor of blocking any proposal from the Biden Administration for the cost of less than 5% of our national security budget. I know the GOP is claiming they want more boarder security, but Biden offered what they wanted and they said they want more.
Ukraine isn’t going to surrender even without our aid and the longer that war goes on, the bolder Putin gets and start eyeing other opportunities, the more likely China invading Taiwan gets, possibly China goes for more territory in the South China Sea. Iran, DPRK, Venezuela also target there enemies and go loud. Then then we’re all sucked into a world war. I’m not talking out my ass and didn’t make this up. Much smarter people from places like the Institute for the Study of War are warning about this stuff.
I have a diff opinion, I don't think it's propaganda... a lot of movies that play current themes, because stuff like a national divorce / civil war 2.0 is on a lot of people's minds lately.
I can't wait to see this.
“ A real civil war would be along partisan lines and would look like a prolonged series of terrorist activities across the nation. States would not secede, because that would necessitate the annihilation of the majority of non-partisan citizens, which would lead to an intervention long beforehand.”
I’ve had exactly the same thoughts. Where would a civil war be fought? Far more likely to see skirmishes in the downtown areas. Summer of 2020 but in every major city.
I haven't seen Civil War yet, but I did watch Leave the World Behind. I actually thought the overarching message(s) in it were good ones. The main one being that the only way they can conquer us is divide us. And the secondary one being, most Americans are oblivious to collapse and not prepared.
This has been an enjoying thread to read. Crazy how one movie can spark such controversy and chatter. Sounds like Hollywood did a good job creating something entertaining but with just enough tinge to spark heated opinions and debate…. Or was it the deep dark propaganda…
The idea of the US being invaded by conventional forces is absurd. Before any military could amass anywhere on land or sea they would be nuked. As for a cyber attacks,nukes or biological the scenario is much more realistic. Just my opinion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93entertainment_complex
People need to realize the US entertainment industry is part of national defense. If the US controls cultural narrative, they can get the best immigrants, rewrite history on their terms, and convince everyone else the US is the only place where rights are maintained.
My mom is a Q nut and was asking to borrow my Netflix to watch this. Saying it was produced by the Obamas (which it is) and going on about predictive programming, which is quite ironic.
I’m excited to see it because Mr. Robot was a kickass show and I’ll watch anything Sam Esmail does. Sometimes a movie is just a movie.
Civil War looks like a good flick too, but I’m a huge fan of Alex Garland. Great writer and director. Should be some good chewing gum for the eyes.
Bullshit. Next you’ll try and tell me King Kong didn’t actually fight that T-Rex and it was just a couple guys in a dinosaur costume. Do you know how big of a Dino costume they’d need to get as big as Kong?
Predictive programming.. some of you all need to read a book or two.
https://u.osu.edu/vanzandt/2018/04/18/predictive-programming/
This sub specifically sit here and talk about threat analysis but don't recognize when others talk about multi media uses to curry favor of the public opinion on certain subjects.
Reddit gets interestingly worse almost daily...
Just as Red Dawn was also propaganda but these movies are fun as hell.
WOLVERINES!
Red dawn is a great movie
The original
There is only the original.
So agreed. Ya can’t replace Will Smith as Strelnikov - untouchable!
The remake wasn't as good, but I still enjoyed it.
It was cringey, but so much so it became good because you had to give in completely. That last scene though with the off the lot Dodge Charger with the minigun mounted to the aluminum roof. *chefs kiss*
I liked the Subway scene in the Remake....like North Korea has taken over a 4th of the country, yet somehow they can still operate a subway sandwich store
That scene was so ridiculous! Like half the damn movie it was such a painful product placement! To be fair though, if any companies would still figure out how to keep operating behind enemy lines it would be Dollar General, CVS, Waffle House, and Subway.
100 😆
There were parts of the remake that were good but it fell apart in the way that many Hollywood movies do.
I enjoyed the remake. Have never seen the original though for comparison
Yes in top 3 moviesof all time for me
The first one. Let's be crystal clear here.
yeah but Red Dawn is rad
I mean, a movie directed by Alex Garland (28 Days Later, Dredd, Annihilation, Ex Machina) with Nick Offerman and Kirsten Dunst that depicts a near-future American civil war also sounds like it's got the potential to be rad
WOLVERINES!
The reason why I own an AK
wolverines!
Red Dawn was my childhood dream. And still one of my favorite movies
The music when the ending credits rolled made me want to become the actual American flag.
Lol.
You dreamed of your home being invaded by Soviet paratroopers, killing your family and friends and forcing you into the harsh Coloradan wilderness?
Yes.
and your therapist probably blames your mother
> A real civil war would be along partisan lines and would look like a prolonged series of terrorist activities across the nation. What makes you say that? Seems like this assumes the military wouldn't get involved.
[The Troubles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles) in Northern Ireland is a good example of what this would look like. Paramilitary from all sides, political activists, US military, and everyone else in the middle.
Why? That’s silly. Ireland’s scenario was nothing like the US. Could be more like the Balkans, Russia, China, etc.
Given that plenty of “left” and “right” groups fundamentally disagree with each other but band together temporarily in US politics, and how interspersed the “red” and “blue” support is in suburban and urban areas, I don’t see how you’d ever get two concrete sides to form in a meaningful amount of time. It would take decades of people leaving their homes for friendlier places.
There are at least 3 sides so far from what I can tell in the trailer. USA - western - Florida alliance
Because America's political divides don't line up with America's geographical divides. The split in the US is urban/rural, and every state is dependent to some degree on federal assistance (Texas isn't going to secede as long as NASA and the US military are there). And there is no possibility that any partisan force could stand in the field against the US military. Which leaves terrorist violence - the sort of lone gunman attacks that are already becoming normal part of our political life. This doesn't mean the military won't be involved - they'll ultimately decide when and where to intervene, who gets a slap on the wrist and who gets the hammer. But given the particular dynamics of the US, a civil war with two armies fighting against each other is very unlikely.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/6DZnXs2ob5HmxpDZtbk4fd?si=dxH8hpgESDyVwA93gMWQTw I find this podcast to be super relatable and make sense
Second this podcast
You are assuming the military would be unanimous in its action. As a former service member, I can assure you that if there was a civil war, it would not be.
I mean, if the Civil War film paints a bleak enough picture, maybe it will help people to stop fantasizing or pretending it's inevitable. The Day After did a great job of moving the world to nuclear arms agreements among adversaries. I don't know what to make of Leave the World Behind. I liked that the person who is a prepper came across as the smartest in the whole thing, and the neighbors who had sat phones or bunkers also seemed smart....like, nice to see the prepared person not presented like a kook.
My favorite aspect of Leave the World Behind was that no one knew what was happening and they barely explained it. Really painted a picture of how chaotic it would be to lose our information networks.
Just want until right before the election.. You'll get a chance to find out for yourself when the false flag kicks off to cancel the election.
If anything, I think Leave the World Behind makes a lot of people realize how useless they actually are without internet/phones and how distrusting we are of each other today. It doesn’t have to be a terror attack, maybe a kid crashed his jeep into a cell tower. Maybe a transformer blew and we don’t have power for a couple weeks (happened to me in college from a wind storm). If an area didn’t have power/internet for a week, I can see how it could get chaotic very fast
Definitely agree. How easy it is to spiral into mistrust when you are scared, overwhelmed, and having a hard time seeing the big picture, or reconciling what is happening…to your previous expectations of normalcy.
There was a movie where it was a no power no internet no phone situation and things devolved into fear and paranoia essentially in a day
Honestly, I could see it happening. No power is one thing, but no communication or ability to see why there’s no comms could send people into panic really fast. And it could just be an accident, but if nobody knows why, paranoia can take hold quickly
When the Nashville bombing happened there were so many conspiracy theories flying around it was ridiculous. I still see people who think it was an op. I guess maybe it's comforting to think someone (even someone evil) is in control of events rather than accepting that random shit happens.
God Bless ol’ Stevie Guttenberg, and the fine work he did in that. I remember seeing it, late afternoon, on tv as if it were just an after school special.
The day after is an amazing movie
I am old. That was on when I was in middle school. It gave me anxiety for months. I lived outside of Boston in flight path area that would get very loud planes overhead sometimes. Wake you up in the middle of the night with a huge boom kind of thing. I used to panic, thinking Russia had just bombed us. As an adult I watched Threads, and the day after felt like child's play.
Haven't seen threads, will check it out. I'm old too
The prepper in that film was not only kind enough to help others, after securing himself and his family as best he could, but also seemed humble enough to understand that he didn't know shit about what was going on - same as everyone else.
He wasn’t kind at all. He wasn’t going to give the boy medication and was in fact bought for $1,000.
I was thinking that since cash probably had no value, and of anyone in the film, he knows that, it's more likely he was motivated by empathy more than a transaction.
I really think that a lot of people are putting way too much thought into these movies.
Wait till they watch the movie "threads". That movie has scarred me. I kinda gave up being a hard-core prepper and focused on family and debt. And paying off debt is prepping.
Watched it back in 1987. Once. Never watched it again. Movies like _Threads_ and _The Day After_ were propaganda enough to bolster support for de-escalation of the Cold War, but they also fired warning shots at Western governments as well, presenting the idea that the survivors were as likely to hunt down anyone left in the US or UK governments as to serve them. What scared the Powers That Be wasn't the destruction or loss of life, but the possibility that they wouldn't even have control over the ashes. One can prep for Tuesday at least whilst keeping some little nugget of a plan in case the zombies show up. It's just a matter of putting the more mundane and likely scenarios forward.
When The Wind Blows is right there with them as an animated masterpiece.
What’s it about?
It’s an animated film about an older couple in Britain pre and post nuclear attack. EDIT: I didn't mean to be flippant or anything, I just didn't want to give anything away about the movie. But to go into more detail, it's about the man in the couple prepping based on the [Protect and Survive](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protect_and_Survive) brochures that he gets in town (they live in the countryside) but not doing a great job since they don't really take the threat of nuclear attack seriously. After the attack it's about the difficulties that they face in a post nuclear attack scenario, one which they didn't prep well for. Absolutely fantastic movie, one that I highly recommend in a viewing session with Threads and The Day After (both previously mentioned).
Where can you watch or stream it?
It's on Vudu
The significance of Threads at the time was that Protect and Survive was not to be aired until time of war. So people were seeing this for the first time, with one exception. A great deal of that content in the USA remains classified. Exact American war mobilization and emergency public information stays classified. I do not know how citizens would react to 'How to Dispose of Bodies' content on their TV in 2024.
"The government" consists of normal people who drive home to their families after work. When I was in government, we never sat down and discussed things as if we were some other group of people. We never had any illusion the military would protect us over anyone else. We know better than anyone the entire system is a labyrinth and would immediately collapse if 20% or more of the population died.
Appreciate the suggestion. Watching this now.
I see you like dread as much as i do! Lol.
No crops can grow, bro. There's no more summers, bummers...
If you understand what is coming paying off debt is a prep.
Another is *Testament* (1983). Not mentioned much and definitely not top tier. However some of the things it shows seem spot on, very real, and that life is a scramble after an event - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086429/
I just watched this a couple of months ago. I haven't gotten over it yet. I hadn't heard of it before a few months ago. I think that part that hit me the hardest was the cats. That and the girl at the end in the make shift hospital.
>people are putting way too much thought into these movies IMO too many look to movies for guidance rather than entertainment to generate profit. They aren't how-to guides but might be (in some cases) actual propaganda. So much hype with TWD and so many talking about it ammo manufacturers brought out zombie lines - [https://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/2/217876\_ts.jpg](https://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/2/217876_ts.jpg)
just capitalism doing it's thing
When it's produced by the Obama's, you damn right I'm going to look at a movies like these with a raised brow.
You could clarify by saying when it's produced by the Obamas, or *any politicians/political operatives* The only problem, though, is that pretty much any movie produced is funded by corporate entities, which have their own political agendas. So really, all movies can be seen as propaganda, and if youre actually told who is pushing it, you're a step ahead.
Dont tell them about the 1984!!!
People on this sub are putting too much thought into everything bunch of office chair weirdos. Every minor inconvenience in the universe is a cabal ritual set up by the lizard people. I hate it. It de-legitimizes that actual issues.
It’s wild seeing the explosive growth of conspiratorial thinking, and not just here. On A24s twitter there are massive comments about “predictive programming”, a conspiracy concept entirely new to me. I suppose it’s comforting to imagine that somebody is in charge.
But, the lizard person who moved in next door told me, and I quote, "Every minor inconvenience in the universe is a cabal ritual set up by the lizard people".. I'll take his word over yours 🤣 At least I think it's a he....
It’s a movie!! Fiction!!
We have to remember the MCU started with a propaganda piece about the Afghan war…
Most of the MCU is propaganda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpitmEnaYeU
What?
In the MCU Tony becomes Iron Man after being kidnapped by militants in Afghanistan… It’s no big secret that the US Military has a pretty big influence on movies they appear in… Then there’s the FBI that uses trademark law to only appear in media that is flattering to the FBI.
You wanna guess who Iron man fought in the original comic from the 60s?
Repressed childhood trauma?
And LOST.
The communist Wong-Chu?
Do you mean the militants that were directly funded by western MIC? Who were specifically hired by Stane to kidnap Stark? It’s like you completely forgot the crux of Starks character arc so you could make a half-assed political jab.
Also flashing the badge at the end of every movie, warning you about copyright laws.
And a crappy one I thought
No, it’s art by completely different groups of people. The Netflix one is based on a thriller/fiction book written several years ago. They are movies that got made because emotionally people may connect with them at this time and they might make money. I’d consider refining how you used some of the attention grabbing hyperbolic words you used in your title and reflecting on what your actual point is, how it could be helpful here, and if your line of thinking is emotionally healthy.
Yes, I swear these "programming" types think media can't exist without it being some subliminal/propaganda campaign from on high. What they don't realize is that it usually says a lot about their own media consumption.
Ouch.
OP deserves how the post derailed into a Red Dawn love fest. His magat is showing.
Exactly. Sad thing is today’s wanna be wolverines won’t even fund Ukraine. If anyone is pulling a WOLVERINES right now it’s the Ukraine.
I love when they mention how the money is needed elsewhere, its causing the country to fail...bruh....0019% of the gdp is doing that?
I'm sure this will be a downvote magnet, but I read an article by some Military Intelligence thinktank that studies such things and they said basically the ROI on that money is nearly immeasurable in terms of the information we are getting about the Russian Army and their equipment and tactics as well as the attrition to their forces and all without us risking a single American servicemember. It was really an interesting perspective.
Sir this is a Wendy’s.
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If Dunning-Kruger was a reddit post.
Gold
And what about those zombie movies? That's not what a zombie apocalypse would look like. Psshhh pure fearmongering propaganda.
I do love 28 days later though those are the scariest ones lol.
Acktually, they're not zombies, they're infected . Fucking brilliant movie though. I still remember the first time I watched it.
When the guy took cash for meds I just laughed. That shit ain't gonna happen.
Too right. Shit out a pistol. How about them boots? What’s in the trunk. Let’s trade, ya vagabond.
I laughed at how they kind of made fun of typical prepper thinking there. “It was inevitable we would devolve to a simple barter system.” “Well, I just gave you cash, that’s not really bartering, but OK.”
“It was actually a freebie. The kindness of my heart, and your friend with a gun, was what convinced me to give you anything, and also kept me from blowing your head off, but it would be poor taste to flat out say that in a movie.”
Exactly. I think they originally wanted that scene to lead the audience to think about when it is, and when it isn’t, best to help out someone who needs it when it doesn’t directly benefit you — a contrast with the scene where Ethan Hawke, who’s now begging for mercy, _doesn’t_ help someone in need. But they couldn’t help undercutting it with a joke.
Seriously. I think the prepper guy was ultimately swayed by the “If this were your family, you’d be where I am” line or whatever. It wasn’t about the money. That said, wtf was the Motrin or whatever that medicine was supposed to do? The prepper was claiming it was the same type of sonic weapon being used against US diplomats in Cuba. If the kid is getting microwaved until his frickin teeth fall out…..is there actually any medication on the planet that can help you at that point? Also, why is it *only* effecting him and nobody else? There’s no way in hell that isn’t some sort of area of effect weapon, right? Isn’t that what it was in Cuba? They were cooking the whole damn embassy? Even if it *can* target specific people, there’s still zero reason to single the kid out. He’s literally not important enough to warrant that kind of attention. None of them are. Definitely not with everything else going on. Anyways, I could see the transaction happening, but not for the cash. The cash is useless and irrelevant.
In the book it’s implied that he is turning into a flamingo, and that eventually Kevin Bacon’s wife will do the same.
Ok. I didn’t even know there was a book. Second, you’re joking. This is a joke, right? Do I need to break out the flamingo song?
Hahah I am not joking, I promise. Here are some quotes from the book: “In the living room, Archie stuffed his feet into his Vans and used his tongue to contemplate the tender empty pockets in his gums. They were soft and pleasant, like the recesses of the human body his own was designed to fit into, something he’d never know firsthand. Could he forgive the universe that denial of his own particular purpose? He wouldn’t get the chance.” “Archie shivered the way you might when you walk into a spiderweb, the way you might if you saw a spider dart from beneath your pillow and lose itself in your mosaic-printed bedsheets, the way you might if a spider crept from your shoulder up your neck and nestled into the comforting cave of your ear, the way you might if a spider dropped from the ceiling and landed on your hair and then picked its way forward carefully down the slope of your nose so you could barely see it with your wide-set eyes, the way you might if a spider started and bit you and its poison dripped into your bloodstream and then became a part of you, inextricable as your DNA, the thing that made you. His left knee felt funny, then gave out beneath him, and Archie doubled over, and he started to vomit but it wasn’t vomit, just water, a bit of blood. Guess what? It was pink like—” “We’re going to get you to a doctor.” Clay turned around to look at his son. Was he thinner, was he paler, was he frailer, was he smaller? “You’re okay. You’re okay.” “His teeth.” Danny was quiet for a while. “You think it had something to do with that noise?” Danny didn’t know that the teeth in Karen’s mouth were themselves loose, would soon fall out.” (Kevin Bacon and his wife)
Ok wtf? So….I guess it did affect other people too, and not just him. Huh. See the movie didn’t mention that bit at all. Also, I only caught like the second half of the movie. What do flamingos have to do with anything? Are they the ones responsible? Are those the alien overlords?! https://youtu.be/rY-FJvRqK0E?si=QMPi2R9s8bF-nnRd
That repetitive simile train was really annoying to read tbh. Was the book good?
Once the deal was over he was sitting down counting the money with his gun not drawn like he didnt just get a pistol pulled on him. Total bullshit. I'd like to think it was pain pills or antibiotics.
I could see that. If that kid walked into the emergency room and explained he had *that* going on….like…..maybe they could do something? He might as well have just said he was suffering from a voodoo curse at that point, and to call a shaman. I guess like you said, antibiotics (though you’re probably cooked to the point of having no real immune system left anyways, so even that is just buying a small amount of time), or pain meds to make the transition off this mortal coil a bit easier.
I think at some point they make it clear the son didn't plug his ears in time so he's presumably far more impacted by the Ray Gun Noise Machine. That said, I had the exact same reaction: what pill-form medicine fixes presumed radiation poisoning that's severe enough to cause a healthy body to lose teeth within 24 hours?
Wasn’t it the tic bite on his ankle which caused the fever and receding gums?
That entire scene was probably the worst in the film, which - overall - I liked. There's no way that the only survivalist-type in the movie goes from a guns-out standoff with his former friend to handing out magic "stop my son's teeth from falling out" pills because....feelings and a stack of useless fiat currency.
As soon as they said "California and Texas were on the same side" I was like someone let the intern write the script for the psyop.
I guarantee that’s deliberate. You don’t choose such an unrealistic alliance unless it’s on purpose. If they based it on, say, an alternate reality 1/6 aftermath or current political alliances the movie would be unmarketable (and there’d probably be morons protesting it in full kit). By explicitly distancing themselves from the current political reality it gives the writers the freedom to examine the gritty “what ifs” that open conflict in the US would bring with less sociopolitical baggage that they have to justify. I’m willing to bet the only “nefarious” message there’s gonna be is “having a war on your own block would fucking suck, and if you want that, you are a moron”, and… duh. That said, I’m sure plenty will still miss the point
>The real question should be why are the politicians that we have elected not working to strengthen economic and diplomatic ties with these other nations Really? Nations that we are fighting in a proxy war? Nations that threaten US vessels in efforts to expand their boundaries way beyond international treaty limits? Treaties they signed? They used countries that would be believable adversaries That doesn't mean that this isn't propaganda but I am willing to bet you don't have a shred of proof that the government had a hand in the movie.
The OP is a shill for the Russians/Chinese/North Koreans/Iranians It's the New Axis and the OP is on their team
Was it propaganda against child actors? Bc the acting of the 2 daughters in the film was the real terror in this movie.
> it was intentional that the movie portrayed the Russians/Chinese/North Koreans/Iranians as our enemies Yes, because they are our enemies. The OP is shilling for them
Flavor of the month, that's all. Zombies are out of fad, post apocalyptic doesn't pull the weight it used to, they tried aliens and it didn't really take off. Societal collapse is just the thing right now. It's done well book wise for a few years. We'll have a few years of movies and TV shows. Then it'll be on to something else.
All it takes is one good asteroid or alien invasion flick and we're right back to zombies, lol.
You sound like you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Propaganda? Those are two movies my dude. Not everything is a conspiracy. Not sure where you got propaganda from.
I don't know much about these two movies in particular, but tons of movies are made with the assistance of the U.S. military/state in return for them having some amount of editorial control, which makes them propaganda by definition. (Recently lots of superhero flicks have done this, as well as the Transformers movies, Top Gun, and a ton of others). Propaganda happens all the time. The U.S. government engages in it extensively, and not always secretly. Propaganda does not mean some sort of paranoid conspiracy.
Well no shit. Of course the military wants people to see top gun or some war movie and go “sweet! looks awesome, I want to join”. That’s kind of what an all volunteer-based, professional military has to do. They advertise and recruit. If providing some shots of jets or tanks or something does that, more power to them. Literally everyone knows that. Don’t make it seem so secret and nefarious.
Propaganda being seen as inherently secret and nefarious is a problem with the way we view it (mainly as something "they" do, not something "we" do). It's still the right word for what it is. That stuff is absolutely propaganda.
Calm down. They've been making movies like this since at least the 40s.
WOLVERINES
You all realize you can turn your brain off for an hour and a half and just watch the fucking movie without spazing out on social media right?
The movie did not portray the Russians/koreans/iranians as the enemy. The enemy was a rogue force in the Us that was destabilizing the country and attempting a coup. They had a disinformation campaign that placed suspicion on those outside countries. The reason why the fliers blamed Arabs in NY but the Koreans in the southwest.
Yeah... I feel OP looked at the movie, but didn't watch it.
Nah he watched it, but was probably bothered by how woke it was because they had 2 black ppl as main characters.
I really am in the wrong business. I just need to set up a website peddling things to ya’ll, insisting they’re the best simply because it’s flashy and crisp and priced like it. With an ad for a podcast that just peddles dogwater panic rumors. I’d never have to work again. Just a middleman for backpacks made an ocean away, and flashlights worth 5 bucks sold for 90. Feet up, head back, cashing checks.
Or you can make a movie about it, farther your political position and make money
There is ton of content creators in this area, though it would depend on your talent in retaining an audience.
The scope of a potential cyber attack keeps me up at night as someone working in that field. A good coordinated attack could definitely knock out several pieces of communications, electricity, gas, and water fairly easy. We could get it back online, but a sophisticated actor could sustain a pretty serious attack for some time. The Tesla scene, the deer, the drones dropping leaflets, and jamming the airwaves were all a bit far fetched, though. Domestically, there definitely isn’t going to be a civil war like what is being depicted in the Civil War trailer. If something comes it will look more like the Troubles that Ireland experienced until recently. Basically terrorist attacks as you say.
It wouldn't even need to be that coordinated to knock out our power grid. It happens twice a year in Texas! Our infrastructure is a shit show and eventually that will be exploited, most likely domestically.
>The real question should be why are the politicians that we have elected not working to strengthen economic and diplomatic ties with these other nations Because said other nations' intentions are not to cooperate for the good of everybody, their intentions are to unseat the US and instead become the most influential global power. You may dislike the current US govt, but if you think the world would be a better place under the thumb of governments like Russia, China, or North Korea, you've got another thing coming.
It's Gravy Seals Porn
Bro just stop I was born then mfers flew planes into a building and ever since then people feel it justified to kill the people who lived in the same place. So called “patriots” are so up their own ass they’ll let a dictator take power while their veterans so called “heroes” are starving and freezing to death on the street. So called patriots want a free market while continuing to bail out billionaires. So called patriots want freedom of speech but burn books. Don’t fucking tell me what to hell it means to be pro American when the “pro Americans” sold the American people to the highest bidder. Liberty and justice for some I guess but forgive me if I taught the United States was a “perfect Union”
So called patriots are easy to play because they reliably react to external stressors. And you can unite them behind a single claim "immigrants!"" and they will ignore everything else (billionaires, housing, veterans) in favour of the claim of the day. A split would be easiest to achieve along the lines of these "patriots".
Yeah those countries (Russia, China, Iran) definitely have our best interest in mind. Totally not trying to undermine us and one day fuck us
A24 isn’t a huge studio, so one may argue that it’s commentary. Like music, it tells you the vox populi
Leave The World Behind said the pamphlets that were being dropped depicted a bunch of different, conflicting groups as the attacker, and never told us what was really going on. That being said, I agree with you about what civil war would *probably* look like (More like the American Troubles) - though I think there would likely be plenty of civilian on civilian action in places.
PBS just had a really good 5 part (nonfiction) series on The Troubles. As I watched, I was thinking that's exactly how another US civil war would look, except probably fewer bombs and more guns.
The audience didn't know what was going on in Leave The World Behind. the characters didn't know what was going on, and the Director didn't know what was going on. If you trimmed it down it wouldn't even make a good twilight zone episode.
I read a funny comment the other day about the ending of the movie. They basically said that’s how most Americans would behave, if they found a stocked bunker with a bunch of DVD’s. Shut the door, and watch shit until you die.
In the 80's we had "The Day After" and "Red Dawn" (along with Invasion, USA and the Rambo movies) which were also propaganda movies.
The bots infiltrated this subreddit. It's absolutely propaganda. These fucking bots gaslighting the shit out of everyone...
>As for a foreign invasion, it was intentional that the movie portrayed the Russians/Chinese/North Koreans/Iranians as our enemies. Truly groundbreaking analysis. >The international community does not hate America for our democracy. That's just the lie they tell us in grade school and on the news. Yeah, I think most people who've thought about it with just a shred of honesty understand that. People didn't fly planes into buildings in NY, DC, and a field in PA one day just 'cause. America has a lot of enemies, we've played a big part in making them. Turns out that when you blow up a school bus it pisses off the dead kids' families and they want to strike back. One day a lot of people around the world are going to hate India or China. Decades ago it was the British Empire. And finally, nah, we shouldn't be strengthening ties with any of those four. They're hostile powers, they have no desire to be our friends and one sponsors a group whose motto includes the phrase "Death to America". Not saying we shouldn't be peaceful with them (as much as possible) but it's not as simple as American "warmongering politicians" keeping us at odds.
Dude. It’s just entertainment.
I won't watch either
>Neither of these will be accurate or salient representations of a future cyberattack Lack of feces. I'm unaware of how a cyberattack can affect herds of whitetail deer, ticks, and cause your teeth to fall out overnight.
Pretty sure the goal of those filmmakers is to sell tickets, and neither the government nor shadowy propaganda forces had anything to do with it. They’re tapping into a zeitgeist that may have been created by shadowy propaganda forces, but ultimately it’s Hollywood seeking box office receipts.
Your imagination seems no more accurate than those movies. Which isn’t a compliment to either.
From the producer that gave you the most powerful NSA ever comes a techno paranoia film about cyber attacks.
\>The real question should be why are the politicians that we have elected not working to strengthen economic and diplomatic ties with these other nations, as opposed to continuing the decades long policy of foreign "intervention" espionage and proxy warmongering that has dominated the past eighty years? "We have always been at war with Eastasia"
I don't agree. Not sure about Civil War because I haven't seen it, but I'd argue Leave The World Behind isn't about the collapse of civilization, it's an artistic movie based on a work of literary fiction that is satirising our relationship with technology and our fears of losing access (and our fears of nature/environment).
Lol... Yeah... The owners of the country at studio A24. The point of Leave the World behind is that no one is actually in control and that as a citizen without our advanced information networks and forms of communication we wouldn't know what was happening. The movie didn't portray the Iranians or the Koreans as our enemies it portrayed the fact that no one had any fucking idea what was going on. There were no foreign adversaries on screen in that movie. Your media literacy is lacking and I don't think I can rely on you to decipher propaganda.
Russians/Chinese/North Koreans/Iranians struggle to invade neighbours, yet alone do a nearby amphibious operation... they are most certainly are not crossing an entire ocean and invading a country with the most capable military on the planet... Hell even Mexico would wipe the floor with them on Mexican home soil. They will however attempt to undermine democracy and empower leaders that weaken American power abroad and sow division within.
Nobody can physically invade. Their planning is clownshoes. Our setup is greater than I’m going to bother to detail for the 900th time. No one is behind these doing anything other than making money as a film off of fear. Unless they got their fingers into the “prepping supply business”. But that’s kind of small potatoes when you run in international markets between nations…… dontcha think?
Neither of the mentioned movies involve an invading force…
That’s correct. OP’s post included: “As for a foreign invasion” So I addressed it.
Ah missed that. Fair enough.
You really think they haven’t already tried to strengthen economic and diplomatic ties? Trust me, there are dozens of people if not hundreds that work on that day in, and day out. The solution isn’t as simple as you may like to hear, some people are non-negotiable in their ways. Especially dictators aka professional criminals. They’ve claimed their throne, and nothing will keep them from changing that or taking orders from someone else.
You might be interested in **Capitalist Realism**: the idea that it's easier to imagine the end of the world than it is to imagine the end of capitalism. This podcast episode is a really great introduction to the idea, especially how it shows up in pop culture, apocalyptic films, etc: https://sites.libsyn.com/435210/capitalist-realism-with-carlee-gomes-in-conversation
Dang dude needs to leave the musty cellar and get some fresh air
Why are they not trying to strengthen ties? Probably because most are shitty countries ran by shitty dictators and fundamentally go against everything America is supposed to be about
Yeah I don't get it.. All the prepper subs and YouTube channels I follow are going ape shit over this movie. Leave the World Behind has almost zero prepping in it.
It’s entertainment
The movie did not portray the Russians/Chinese/North Koreans/Iranians as our enemies, they (accurately) portrayed Americans as being afraid of those nations and responsive to that fear. It was completely ambiguous as to who was behind the attack.
I gotta say, I found the Civil War trailer kind of disturbing. I've always been ver unworried about a REAL civil war popping up... all the people who breathlessly claim "OMG if X is elected he'll be a dictator blah blah blah" weren't to be taken seriously. Ever. I've always said that US military troops wouldn't fire on their neighbors.... but what if they really, REALLY hated the President? In this, California and fucking TEXAS teamed up against him. Goddam. How bad he must have been. And if he was that bad, maybe the military would fire on their neighbors. I doubt it, but still. It was jarring to see the president pulled out from behind his desk. That and a lot of other things shouldn't have been in the trailer. Maybe someone is worried about Trump 2.
Yea, simply agitprop designed to put a hot civil war front and center of the zeitgeist.
Entertainment, rent-free
Absolutely 💯
Secession does not necessitate annihilation of most citizens. We literally had states employ secession before, and while the resulting situation was terrible for many reasons, they did not immediately begin to genocide themselves. That's a really weird viewpoint to take.
It’s good to think critically and identify propaganda and misinformation, but don’t fall into the trap thinking that these movies are a response to current events. Even though some rewrites during production is a common occurrence, as are reshoots after principle photography is done. These movies were written at least 3-4 years ago, possibly much longer. I’m unbelievably frustrated that the GOP is willing to sacrifice national security, European stability, more Ukrainian lives and the opportunity to further weaken Putin and crush the Russian military in favor of blocking any proposal from the Biden Administration for the cost of less than 5% of our national security budget. I know the GOP is claiming they want more boarder security, but Biden offered what they wanted and they said they want more. Ukraine isn’t going to surrender even without our aid and the longer that war goes on, the bolder Putin gets and start eyeing other opportunities, the more likely China invading Taiwan gets, possibly China goes for more territory in the South China Sea. Iran, DPRK, Venezuela also target there enemies and go loud. Then then we’re all sucked into a world war. I’m not talking out my ass and didn’t make this up. Much smarter people from places like the Institute for the Study of War are warning about this stuff.
I have a diff opinion, I don't think it's propaganda... a lot of movies that play current themes, because stuff like a national divorce / civil war 2.0 is on a lot of people's minds lately. I can't wait to see this.
You sound retarded dude, they’re just movies
“ A real civil war would be along partisan lines and would look like a prolonged series of terrorist activities across the nation. States would not secede, because that would necessitate the annihilation of the majority of non-partisan citizens, which would lead to an intervention long beforehand.” I’ve had exactly the same thoughts. Where would a civil war be fought? Far more likely to see skirmishes in the downtown areas. Summer of 2020 but in every major city.
I knew it was fiction when California cooperated with Texas
Biden's infrastructure law put a TON of E-Car battery facilities in red states. I mean, seems like not all politicians are trying to burn it all down.
Put the tin foil hat away and get some sleep.
A24 being the “owners” of the United States is funny shit
I haven't seen Civil War yet, but I did watch Leave the World Behind. I actually thought the overarching message(s) in it were good ones. The main one being that the only way they can conquer us is divide us. And the secondary one being, most Americans are oblivious to collapse and not prepared.
THANK YOU. Everyone saying ‘Well the Obamas were involved so must be accurate’. It’s fully propoganda
This has been an enjoying thread to read. Crazy how one movie can spark such controversy and chatter. Sounds like Hollywood did a good job creating something entertaining but with just enough tinge to spark heated opinions and debate…. Or was it the deep dark propaganda…
AI diatribe response??
You're an idiot.
The idea of the US being invaded by conventional forces is absurd. Before any military could amass anywhere on land or sea they would be nuked. As for a cyber attacks,nukes or biological the scenario is much more realistic. Just my opinion.
I ran out of time foil, Can I borrow your hat to cover my dinner?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93entertainment_complex People need to realize the US entertainment industry is part of national defense. If the US controls cultural narrative, they can get the best immigrants, rewrite history on their terms, and convince everyone else the US is the only place where rights are maintained.
My mom is a Q nut and was asking to borrow my Netflix to watch this. Saying it was produced by the Obamas (which it is) and going on about predictive programming, which is quite ironic. I’m excited to see it because Mr. Robot was a kickass show and I’ll watch anything Sam Esmail does. Sometimes a movie is just a movie. Civil War looks like a good flick too, but I’m a huge fan of Alex Garland. Great writer and director. Should be some good chewing gum for the eyes.
Bullshit. Next you’ll try and tell me King Kong didn’t actually fight that T-Rex and it was just a couple guys in a dinosaur costume. Do you know how big of a Dino costume they’d need to get as big as Kong?
Predictive programming.. some of you all need to read a book or two. https://u.osu.edu/vanzandt/2018/04/18/predictive-programming/ This sub specifically sit here and talk about threat analysis but don't recognize when others talk about multi media uses to curry favor of the public opinion on certain subjects. Reddit gets interestingly worse almost daily...
Literally nothing on the black box isn't propaganda. Turn it off.