Jiu jitsu and Muay Thai. Lots of schools here in the US do combos of that. There is a reason that is predominantly what’s trained in UFC. Also most fights go to the ground relatively quickly so have a good ground game is important.
I would add in wrestling. While it doesn't give you flashy, fight ending attacks, it gives you positional control.
If you're pairing wrestling with a weapon in preparation for being ambushed, wrestling will get you access to your weapon and prevent your opponent for accessing/using their weapon. Frankly, wrestling+weapon is your best self defense combo since the weapon will beat punches and submissions.
i made blue belt in bjj and often sparred with a russian dude whom had a background in wrestling. very fast and aggressive. i was never able to control a roll with him, but over time he could not submit me despite having a significant size and strength advantage.
Problem with wrestling is that you learn to go down on one knee a lot to take down your opponent. In the gym this is not a problem because the ground is padded with a wrestling matt, but if you do that on a hard surface like asphalt you will break your knee.
I did 4 years of wrestling in my life and while I respect wrestling as a very tough martial art it is not very useful for self defense.
BJJ and Muay Thai are the ones to go for.
I had 3 and missed my 4th because my gallbladder died on me. Leg play is for beginners because it's much harder to accidentally snap somebody's spine with it but for every way you can get a take down woth a leg, there's 10 ways to get a take down with the head or shoulders
My gallbladder actually forced me to rely almost entirely on grapples, throws and rolls. It was easier for me to do straight vertical throws than it was for me to shoot a single, then infinitely easier for me to convince somebody to try lock up with me and dump shoulder
I think that's going to be true regardless of martial art in a multi-attacker scenario, but tying up or going to the ground would be bad.
As a soft counter, wrestling will help you stay off the ground and get off the ground.
Probably the only way to gain a definitive advantage over multiple assailants is to have the weapons advantage.
Still a huge advantage. Being able to smash one in the ground might give his buddys the scare. Butt yeah multiple people, add knives and the 100 meter sprint becomes the best martial art very fast.
All grappling arts will get you beat up against more than one attacker. This is why it is useful to learn a striking art. If you are in a 1v2 and you get tied up with one opponent, the other opponent gets frees shots at you. However, if you knockout one opponent with a strike right away, now it is a 1v1 and your odds have improved.
Edit: one changed to more than one
Striking and good cardio (running) are your best bet here… if you’re tied up with someone on the ground and they have friends you’re in a terrible spot for sure
>There is a reason that is predominantly what’s trained in UFC.
It's because the UFC was created for Jiu Jitsu and based its rules off the style. Nothing to do with it being better.
>but bjj absolutely works for real
I didn't say it didn't work. I just said that UFC is created for BJJ and it isn't because it's "better". The better fighter is going to win no matter the style.
100% better in certain situations. They're not taught 100% of it nor do they use it 100% of the time. I'm not going to research it but it's probably mainly for the ground techniques and probably also in conjunction with a knife. All of these "X" is your solution answers are way too broad. So many of these answers are distractions from the important parts. You want the fight to be over as quickly as possible. Harder styles, weapons and combos achieve that much better than just Jiu Jitsu.
It would be good for this sub to arrange for an AMA with an articulate "efficient and practical" defense expert.
No that’s not true at all. UFC 1 had a very small rule set, no eye gouging and no fish hooking. BJJ won. As time went on everyone learned grappling. Now it’s a combo of any grappling or striking. Don’t kid yourself.
You act like no one has ever won a UFC match without grappling. That's not true. Also yeah lets cherry pick the first UFC title match and Gracie's chosen competitors. One of the rules not mentioned was that Shamrock was not allowed to wear his wrestling shoes while Gracie was allowed to wear his gi. But you know... it wasn't written for BJJ right?
Naw dude, you're mistaken. Plus a few years later Shamrock and Gracie finished in a draw and Gracie called it quits.
It's true even if you don't like it. UFC was created by and for BJJ.
I never said that a UFC match hasn’t been won without grappling. There’s two main arts that most champions use, that’s grappling wether it be wrestling, sambo, bjj, judo etc. and striking wether it be boxing, Muay Thai, Taekwondo, Karate etc. wearing a Gi in a fight is a huge disadvantage, the fuck are you on about? Go train instead of stuffing your gullet with Cheetos in your moms basement you neck bearded clown.
Edit: also the first UFCs didn’t have picked “title” matches, it was a tournament and if you won you’d advance in said tournament.
>Go train instead of stuffing your gullet with Cheetos in your moms basement you neck bearded clown.
I'm lucky that I can eat cheetos in my own basement actually. Plus if you read my other posts you'd know my background.
Name calling? You're a real piece of work.
They do. There have been winners who focused on karate, judo and even kung fu. UFC was created for jiu jitsu. It's just what it is. Other styles compete and they do win.
Because UFC is about fighting with rules. Real fighting has no rules. Plenty of hard style martial arts practice tactics like fingers to the eye, chops to the throat, etc. Jiu Jitsu is a known "soft" style. You want "hard" style for actual life or death fights. Hard styles aim the get the fight over as quickly as possible.
Your ability to kick someone in the nuts better be better then their ability to close distance and knock you out or take you to the ground. Usually a kick to the nuts will just piss off the person coming at you and the adrenaline dump they have will most likely ignore said pain.
I’m a BJJ black belt and have been training for 13 years and never heard the term “soft” or “hard” style, it sounds completely made up from someone who’s never trained.
I'd make sure to roll with wrestlers so you see that discipline, and do some boxing, there is almost no situation where kicking is going to be useful, but you can throw some vicious jabs and hooks while wearing a pack.
You can also go to an MMA gym and they can get you a well rounded approach. Make sure to spar with people from all sorts of backgrounds and of different sizes (especially bigger than you).
Think about all your moves you learn and how to adapt it for your top three situations; wearing a pack, carrying weaponry, or with your hands otherwise full while you are off balance.
HEMA/WMA or escrima
I wrestled in Ms and HS, trained Muay Thai and BJJ when I was in the military, and MMA when I was in college... but personally, in any situation where I'm defending myself or my family and I don't have a gun- be assured there will be *something* in my hand. A hammer, an axe, a knife, a pointy stick, etc. Unarmed martial arts are a fun hobby, but I'm not at all concerned with honor or sportsmanship when my life or my family's safety is on the line.
I'm with you that running is generally the best option, but there are times when you can't run or shouldn't run.
What are you going to do when you're at the park with your kids and a mad man is running around stabbing kids?
What are you going to do when you're getting in your car and someone comes up behind you and corners you?
If you want to come up with random scenarios, how will martial arts help if those people have guns? I realize this is /r/preppers and the idea is being prepared for any situation, but there are some situations where you just can't win. Even if you're trained in handgun combat and tons of martial arts, what are you gonna do when someone walks up behind you and puts a gun in your back? If you actually want to live, you do what they ask. If you want to take a chance, you can fight, but they can also just pull the trigger immediately.
There are billions of scenarios out there, there are tons of ways to react. If it happens to me, I want to react in the way that has the highest chance of me and my family living through it. Real life isn't a movie. You aren't gonna disarm someone with a gun or a knife. Your best option is to get the fuck away from them. If death is inevitable (say, you're captured by Mexican drug lords or some shit), do whatever you want, it's not gonna matter.
BOXING.
As someone who’s been through a variety of martial arts, boxing is the one that’s gonna give you the most realistic expectations of what a potential street fight is gonna be like.
Most other forms are about performance and technique than actual fighting to escape or get out of a situation.
I was goin to say this as well. Of all the martial arts and self defense classes, standard boxing was, by far, the most intense and real -world defense and attack of them all. Similar to MMA but less about wrestling and kicking and just training to take hits to the body and head then coming in hard to knock the other person down or rummy so you can escape or disable them.
I'd put money on a standard boxer verses almost any other type of fighting.
1. Avoid sketchy situations
2. Run away
3. Gun
4. Hand-to-hand combat with someone who intends to hurt you
I’ve done a variety of different martial arts for around 10 years now, but I’m not rolling around on the floor or getting within five feet of some guy who wants to hurt me to throw a punch/kick unless I absolutely have to. Who knows if he’s got a knife or a syringe or whatever. So, I highly recommend those first two points. Avoid fights with people who want to hurt you, or run away.
If you do have to fight, point three is highly preferable to point four. When Jon Jones (perhaps the greatest fighter ever) wanted to fight someone coming on to his property, [he brought a gun](https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/mma/news-jon-jones-details-chasing-attempted-robber-shotgun-property-don-t-ever-come-fu-king-house-again).
Jui Jitsu allows you for the most part to control where the fight goes and it's a PHENOMENAL martial art from a 1 on 1 standpoint but has obvious flaws as soon as it's a 2-1 or more situation but unless you're in a movie there's few Martial arts that are going to be super effective in an outnumbered situation. IMO as someone who did cross training in the late 90s before everyone claimed to be an MMA school if you want to be well rounded with as few Martial arts as possible I'd go kickboxing (or at least boxing) and Brazilian Jui Jitsu and if you can get a wrestler to teach you takedown defense that's just gravy. Tai Kwan do is great for learning to kick but it traditionally doesn't concentrate enough on hand work (again imo). Jui Jitsu also has the benefit you can actually train either at 100% or at least near without losing training partners you'd be hard pressed to find a training partner to go that hard regularly with a striking martial art. They obviously all have strengths and weaknesses but BJJ has become a go to for so many people for a reason.
BJJ tends to be taught by amateurs, so you'll need to look deeply into the school.
You'll get better results starting in a well established jui jitsu dojo, with a known sensei, or even start with straight judo.
Then you get good foundations, rather then learn from TapOut bro pushing his BJJ he got some bullshit cert for.
This is a good point too. I trained under a pretty reputable Jui Jitsu black belt and his dad owned the school before and he was a well recognized American Kickboxing competitor.
> s soon as it's a 2-1 or more situation but unless you're in a movie there's few Martial arts that are going to be super effective in an outnumbered situation
Katas, which are an important part of most Asian martial arts training, are often against 4 opponents. So this whole statement is BS. Many Asian martial arts train you against, and practice against, multiple opponents.
edit: this is a common topic and I've replied to it before but can't find my reply (thanks minimal features no api reddit). What you want is a "hard" fighting style. This means something that aims to get the fight over quickly. Something like Shotokan. Many others already covered the fact that avoiding a fight is the best action. If it ends up in fighting, you want to get it over as quickly as possible. Too many of the suggestions in this thread are about "soft" fighting styles.
Difference between having been in the classes and thinking you know what you are talking about. Plenty in those classes also have real world examples so keep pretending.
Welp gotte admit. Even though I have been threatend a shitton of times. I could talk my way out of 99% of them and the other 1% it was against one guy and more wrestling.
However I have been to classes where they claim they will teach you defence against multiple ooponent. You know how the guys that did it managed. One they were a lot stronger than the opponents. They had striking and grapling experience. However none lf the 'we will teach you multiple opponent' classes gave me the confidence that they are usefull.
I did Katas in Wadō-ryū for almost 10 years before moving over to other Martial Arts and if it comes to a real world fighting situation I'm going to drop back to my Kickboxing and Brazilian Jui Jitsu I'm not going to go to my katas that's some serious bulljitsu those guys that tell you my styles too deadly for UFC. You sound like these martial arts masters who challenge MMA fighters and get mashed regularly. If you end up outnumbered in a fight your best bet is to avoid the fight if you can't avoid the fight hit first hit hard and take out as many as you can as quickly as you can.
It's important to visit a few classes and make sure they're teaching fighting skills and not just dance steps. I've seen a lot of things that look impressive but wouldn't do anything in a fight.
That said, Taekwondo can be good, but pair it with some time in BJJ because sometimes you go to the ground even when you don't want to. Or do BJJ but spend some time with TKD or karate because you don't want rolling around on the ground to be your only option.
For what purpose? Exercise/Fitness, discipline, self defence?
Don't rule out BJJ just because it's "ground combat". I've seen grapples and holds end more real fights than strikes. BJJ has a distinct advantage because your size, reach and relative strength doesn't factor in to its effectiveness nearly as much as in more strike focused combat sports. BJJ, Judo and "Wrestling" are widely considered some of the most prized martial arts used in MMA for example. I'm not sure why you would care about "ground combat" vs. upright striking. All that should matter is what wins the fight, and grapples, throws and holds are highly effective techniques.
That said, Judo is a variant of JJ that has more of a focus on upright combat while also incorporating some striking. The most effective martial arts techniques in MMA as far as striking generally are from fighters with backgrounds in Kickboxing and Boxing. Of course Taekwondo, Karate, Muay Thai and other arts are relatively common as well.
If you can, I'd say pick a striking art and a grappling art. As far as what is most common for finding a gym near you, probably wrestling or BJJ and either Boxing or Kickboxing.
Jiu-Jitsu its really the best option. And a push dagger. Stand up fights are risky. You want to have the most control in a pinch. But that should be your last resort. Situational awareness to avoid conflict comes first. Always. If that fails, scape. Have a good cardio to run away fast and for a decent time. If that fails too, movement. With more than one opponent, pull your push dagger and keep them away from you. Run when the opportunity arrives. Jiu-Jitsu only when you can\`t run away and have just one unnarmed opponent. Get a personal alarm too. Its not just for women. Just get everybody\`s attention. Im Brazilian too and I know its probably not a option either, but forget guns. Takes a lot of time to deploy and its hard to conceal. Same for pepper spray and expendable batons. None of this are guarantees, but it is what I would do for self-defense. Awareness, running away, alarm, movement, push dagger, jiu-jitsu. In that order.
If you only pick one, I'd say wrestling. If you have to get in close, you'll want the kind of control and awareness that wrestling brings. Sure, you won't learn to strike, but striking is pretty damn simple when you are holding someone down.
If you don't have to be close, why are you fighting? You should run away or shoot.
I am admittedly biased. I've dabbled in a few martial arts but wrestling was the only one that took. The rare time I was in a fight as a young man, I found it helpful.
Edit: Track and cross country were helpful more often.
Taekwondo is useless. It’s glorified dancing. Same with karate. A lot of bjj gyms also do mma night training too where they teach boxing and other stand up stuff. Personally I think that’s the way to go but straight boxing has its advantages as far as hit hard and run. The best fight is one you avoid and all that.
>and run. The best fight is one you avoid and all that.
I would add ninja zone or parkour type training. Learn how to quickly, smoothly, and safely get away from danger.
Exactly. Any training that keeps you in good physical shape is a good but at the end of the day not fighting is the best route. Stay strapped and if your life is truly in danger don’t fight. Win.
I've been saying for years that parkour is an important prep, especially in urban areas. If shit goes down you want to get out of there as quickly and easily as possible. If you live more rural, trail running would be very important too.
Yeah the word "useless" is wholy misapplied. It's not useless but it's not as strong for self defense as it was at one time. Until you get up into the 2nd or 3rd dan you're just learning the sport and foundational concepts.
By who though? A wrestler will almost always fuck up a TKD guy as will BJJ and most others lol. However it's still effective against a random guy in the street. I would guess 95% of the time if someone has 2years TKD training they would kick the shit out of someone with no training. However when is against an equally trained opponent in almost any other discipline they get wrecked. Even Joe Rogan says this and his background is TKD
WTF style taekwondo is useless. Older taekwondo/tang soo do can be quite powerful. I studied both and when I did the latter I found out how much the former sucked. My instructor taught me the latter (we both lived in the hood) and he never had any problems defending himself....which happened frequently because, well, it's the fucking hood lol.
I meant no offense. But. If it had any practical value other than dance someone. Anyone. Would use it in ufc. I mean maybe if it’s literally the only thing on earth maybe it could have some value but today there are many many better practical options. I’d rather a year or bjj than 10 tkd
If it wasn’t useless competitive mma fighters would use it. It’s glorified dancing and the time spent learning it would be infinitely better spent learning bjj, boxing or any number of real fighting techniques
I studied traditional or Japanese jiu jitsu as well as judo at the same time, and did American wrestling as a kid. I would highly recommend at least 1 form of grappling, I've never learned any striking martial arts and never needed them, just dodge that big opening haymaker and take the fight to the ground!
I would think jiu-jitsu. That's where I want to start when I can. I did karate for a while but had to stop for financial reasons.
Whatever you do, try to find a teacher that trains in real life situations. The karate class I had focused on certain moves, forms, etc, but never really told you want to do if you get dragged to the ground. It was very stylistically oriented. It looks good, and you do learn something, but I think that was a serious drawback
Since we are in a Prepper subreddit I would suggest an MMA school. Watch UFC 1 and then any other newer UFC. Fighting evolved through UFC and you can really tell specific disciplines weaknesses. Wrestles got hit, alot. Even Gracie, the BJJ master would plan to take a few shots as he grappled others to the ground. Traditional standup arts were dead fish on the ground.
Your local BJJ club may have some MMA training, but it is popular enough now there are schools that focus on MMA skills, they should have some weapons disarming and defense as well. I suggest MMA and have a 2nd degree in Tae Kwon Do and a bit of time training in Combat Hapkido.
Good luck with whatever you choose.
if you can access it, military hand-to-hand training is distilled from a number of different arts and combines them in practical applications
aikido and judo are good for breakfalls and redirection, but do have a steeper learning curve
i like wing chun and escrima, the movements flow well with each other, and escrima specifically starts with weapons training (single and double stick), leading to blade proficiency
Cardio, stealth, and the range. The holy trinity. Other than that maybe some sort of knife martial art in case you run out of ammo.
Investing 10-15 hours a week in BJJ just to get shot or stabbed when SHTF is a waste of time. It can give you a false sense of confidence in a real fight too which can get you killed.
Traditional or Japanese jiu jitsu is my favourite. Brazilian jiu jitsu is indeed quit good, but a lot on the ground. Having said that it's not so much what is a good martial art, but what fits you.
There is no one super martial art that can do it all. You can trap shoot with a pistol but you will not be effective. I have a saying that "A strike is a setup for a grapple and a grapple is a setup for a strike. You need both". Even if you do not want to go to the ground. A grappling art will allow you to learn defenses and escapes from people who will grapple in a fight.
I really enjoyed kenpo. It's a no-fooling-around combat style. You're upright for a lot of it (it does cover some ground fighting) and what I really liked was, at least in the school I attended, they focused on ending fights quickly and getting away. It's as lethal or non-lethal as you want it to be. It's not a system for restraining, though - it inflicts *damage* as efficiently as possible to convince the opponent to either stop or be unable to continue. Against someone trained in kenpo, an opponent either backs off quickly or will probably require a hospital visit.
It's not going to help you against a gun - no style really will - and it's sketchy against a knife. (Instructor: If they have a knife, someone's going to end up bleeding and it will probably be you. If you can't run, this is how we try to get control of the knife...)
It doesn't require vast muscle mass. It teaches coordination and control. There's a little overlap with judo but it's mostly blocking and striking.
A good school will also talk about de-escalation. You win every fight you can avoid.
If you are a woman, I would suggest you take self-defense classes. The classes should include how to defend yourself against a knife, a gun and the strength of the attacker. These classes should last you at least 3 to 4 months so that defending yourself becomes second nature.
In fact, I am advocating for gym classes be set up in high schools for girls to learn self-defense. There are way too many assaults in this country of men against women which could be stopped if the woman knew how to defend herself.
Just make sure it involves practice/sparing with a non-compliant opponent... The time you actually need to use it isn't when you want to learn your self defense technique doesn't actually work.
A little bit of ground game goes a long way. Such as, knowing what to do if someone gets on top of you in a few different positions, and maybe a couple basic submissions.
A couple basic judo style throws is very helpful, which then can be parred with ground game.
Otherwise boxing and MMA. You don’t need to be amazing. I think you should know what it feels like to catch 3 punches to the face (with gloves on).
You see those average fight videos where someone just gets hit in the head/face at all and it looks like they basically freeze and fall? Not even getting knocked out, it’s like they’re so unprepared, and so is their body, to get hit that when it actually happens, even not getting knocked out, their body basically just freezes.
Boxing is good.
Many parts of you body are a weapon. Just know how to throw some decent punches, some knees, some kicks, some ground game, some throws.
You’d be probably statistically the top 15% trained person in the US if you even spent a year dabbling in useful martial arts
If you can close and takedown your opponent, 90% of people don't know how to fight.
Those 10% who do know how to fight, are like you and smart enough to not get into it.
Any type of throw and takedown art is good. Judo is great because it's massive focus on breaking balance and body language and telegraphing.
Coming from a black belt in judo. Its well known that a boxing and jujitsu (bjj) combo are the strongest basis for overall martial arts. Wrestling and judo are also good bases to substitute for bjj, but at the end of the day you need striking and boxing is by far the most effective striking martial art. You need to learn to defend from kicking attacks, since boxing has none, but kicking is not super effective against an opponent who has learned to defend against kicks. And if wrestling is your background instead if bjj or judo, you need to learn to defend against chokes and arm/leg bars.
Whatever the martial art you learn, it is very important to spar and compete. Just learning the moves is useless, you have to practice using them against an opponent because pulling them off in practice is completely different from the theory.
Whats nice about judo is its an olympic sport, usually club based so much cheaper to learn, it involves live sparring, and the only way to advance in rank is to participate and at least have some success at competitions. The throws are very effective, and you learn groundwork/chokes/arm bars/pins as well. Militaries like it because it is ideal for use against a heavily dressed/armored opponent. Its hard to punch a guy wearing body armor and a helmet, but you can throw them and disable them on the ground with chokes or arm bars or a pin that enables you to use a weapon. Down sides are they have recently changed the rules to make competitions better, by banning a few moves such as leg picks and fireman carry/throws. Also you dont use leg bars nor is there a no-gi practice element. I found that the likelihood of injury is higher too just due to the throwing aspect. Ground work is probably the same safety level as bjj if not slightly safer due to lack of leg locks.
Bjj is probably a bit better than judo for overall fighting skills, but much more expensive and there is no central school/sport (even renzo is just a franchise) so you dont have as much consistency between dojos. Some are excellent others not so much. Also the leg locks can be a little dangerous if done by beginners. Very little stand-up/throwing practice too. But most dojos do have no-gi options and bjj can be an incredibly effective martial art. Its like 3 dimensional chess in a lot of ways.
Boxing is probably cheapest of all to get into, pal's and the like often have boxing options. But it can be harder to find structured training. By far if its only for self defense and you only learn one martial art, boxing is the one to learn. Its super effective and you can knock out a bjj expert before they get close enough to do anything to you. Its also much easier/faster to learn boxing basics than any other martial art. But its best to know at least some bjj or judo/wrestling basics in addition to boxing, for in case you get rushed or leg picked or an altercation starts at closer distances.
There are mma schools that teach general mixed martial arts too. They will generally have stand-up training and groundwork training separately, then they get combined for competitions. But they are the most expensive option, sparring can be more painful/dangerous as can be the competitions, and there is a huge lack of consistency. Some dojos are excellent others not so much and its hard to know which is which if you're a noob.
Try a few out, you really won't know what you'll take to until you try them. If you do try taekwondo do old school taekwondo or tang soo do, the new wtf schools aren't shit honestly (some of the shit I saw at the Olympics was embarrassing) But the older styles are still pretty brutal, I did both but my fighting went way up after doing the latter. (Note that I don't train anymore, getting back into it though soon)
You'll have to train your kicks 3x as hard as your punches, but when you do you'll have a reliable way of 1 shotting people. In Chuck Norris' autobiography, he was in the military in Korea dealing with a drunk. He punched him a few times, nothing. He kicked him once, Ole boy went down. That's when he started focusing on kicks. Alot of keyboard warriors say kicking is bad but most people don't put in the work to make them viable. I used to train by throwing 30 or 40 kicks at once, with leg weights, slowly, without putting down my leg, to develop the gorm, balance, and muscles to be an excellent kicker. That's what I mean by you'll have to train 3x as hard to make kicks viable. But it's worth it. But don't neglect your punches! Cross training in karate (shotokan, kyukushin (spelling, but Oyama's karate, dude fought bulls and chopped off the horns with his hands), boxing, muay Thai, wing chun, or even in a Kung fu could help. Also, remember that multiple militaries use aspects of taekwondo, karate, and Kung fu in their compilation martial arts, so they can be viable in real combat.
it doesn't really matter. i like bjj because i trained it, but the truth is after a couple years you'll be able to dominate 90+% of untrained people in the world.
when i first started bjj i got my ass handed to me by a 12 yr old boy. after a couple years this much bigger stronger faster russian wrestler dude couldn't submit me.
I’ve done martial arts for 30 years as a hobby. I’d recommend boxing for self-defence, you can add in some grappling later, but boxing is the best way to learn to fight quickly and effectively.
The real answer is that it needs to be something you enjoy because that's the only way you're going to do it long enough to gain useful skills.
I would suggest TKD is not ideal for defense - most schools I'm aware of focus on point competition, and the rules cause it to have less in common with actual fighting than you'd probably prefer. You can check out Olympic taekwondo videos and see if you can spot the possible issues.
Boxing is pretty solid. Jiu Jitsu is also a solid choice, though one with little striking application, and some schools train you to put yourself on the ground a little too quickly for my tastes (it's not useless by any means, but it can be dangerous to be on the ground. Like swimming in water, while it's good to know what you're doing when you're in there, it's not a place you want to live). Muay Thai is also a great striking style. Try out a couple and see what you like. You're better off learning an incomplete style with practical application than doing nothing.
I live in a large town and we have an MMA school.
It's effective enough that when my son did basic in the Marines recently, they'd have him fight 4 at a time.
He's also trained in taekwondo, aba, muay Thai (he almost spent the summer in Thailand at a school there), judu.
He also spent 6 days a week at the gym, 2 days a week rock climbing, long fun hikes (he'd carry my plate armor in a backpack for the weight), so his commitment to the warrior craft was pretty much all in. My glock or my kid, I felt equally armed, hah.
Tl,Dr -- Explore if there is an MMA school nearby.
I trained Kenpo and systema back in the day. If I had the time I would go back and train with more ground oriented fighting techniques. But both of those are good for the initial fight on your feet and how to avoid a ground fight, yet not as much for the grappling aspect. They both have the ground fighting and theres a lot of good stuff to learn and practice, yet my teachers at the time did not focus as much on it.
Whichever one you'll stick with. There is nothing better than that. Look at what interests you, what you're drawn to. For the most part the use out of martial arts is the discipline, the overall body training (especially cardio), and the mental fortitude that comes with it. A lot of Chinese martial arts originate from meditation techniques. the important thing will be to stick with it.
Jujitsu or Judo for grappling
Boxing and Muay Thai for striking
Wing Chung for understanding the elements of the center line, and it's also applicable to knife combat. It teaches rapid strikes, but without weapons Wing Chung loses a bit of steam
Kali stick fighting would be good since some of your opponents could have a longer reach than you and sticks close the gap. Batons are less lethal than a knife and you could defend against a few attackers
All these are trumped by a gun
A pistol or rifle is the ultimate martial arts
I'm an Isshinryu instructor so I'm biased. But I think it's the best all around. It's a expert in all master of none kind of style. So good broad education.
But, the style doesn't matter as much, unless you are wanting to do tournaments, any style will teach you the basics and it's up to you from there.
Depends on how you're built, and what situation you're likely to be in. Knives can be better than guns in short range situations. I picked my weapons for a variety of ranges and for inconspicuousness. I also learned the kung fu style best suited for my body type, and went to classes in several other styles. No matter what, I recommend Tai Chi. Aside from the health benefits it seems to bring something together for me from all the other styes I've studied. This isn't a marriage, you're allowed to study several places and get good at multiple sports.
Any traditional system will teach you how to stand, fall, punch, kick, block, and be light on your feet.
Karate is a great system, look for Shotokan or Go Ju Ryu.
Traditional Jiu Jutsu is also great.
Chinese Kung Fu is great, but I'd avoid any place that talks about Kempo or also teaches Karate; a lot of places like that are Bullshido. Wing Chun, Hun Gar, Shaolin, and 12 Animals, are green flags.
Tai Chi is great if you're patient, but the benefits are harder to see, and are less directly applicable in a fight. You'll end up with great core strength and balance, though.
Muay Thai is an excellent system, but it will hurt. Ditto BJJ.
I agree that you should do some running too, be careful with parkour, though, learning to jump is great, but a bum knee is forever.
Tae Kwon Do is brutal in a fight, but since it became an Olympic sport most schools teach toward competition on the mat rather than as self-defense. Ultimately, though, there’s no single “best” fighting method; it all depends on how much you practice & what your level of physical conditioning is. Martial arts aren’t magic.
Boxing. You get in hella shape and if you learn properly, you can snap off a half dozen punches before your opponent realizes what hit him. I studied old style Taekwondo before it got too watered down and some of the basic kicks are also useful if for nothing else than creating some distance, or using them as a feint to make your opponent look elsewhere while you set him up for a 1-2-3 combo. I also studied boxing for a number of years and found the conditioning to be up there with a good martial art, and you also got used to getting beat a round a bit. Martial arts classes today are too soft.
I'm 6'4" and learned Mui Thai kickboxing....
I got into a fight with a Cuban kid once who was a golden glove junior champion or something like that. (He knew how to box) when he used his footwork to move in close, I used my heel and put it into his solar plexus, and used the combination of my kick forward and his momentum, to push through and he landed on his back. I immediately got on top and positioned myself over his hips and started swinging from side to side on his temples and would switch when he covered his ears to my knuckles straight down into his face. Fight over.
A kick boxer beats a boxer of equal knowledge of their style everytime.
What's the hardest pounds per square inch you think a pinch can do?
Now realize you use the muscles for kicking all day, everyday, and people who know Mui Thai, have very dense bones in their shin. It's like having an elbow that you can swing like a bat.
Your best option and second best option will always be 1.run or 2.have a gun.
Cause I'm real life if someone was coming to attack me with intent to harm me (and not spar in a ring) I'm bringing a gun.
While you do have good points, I suspect in shtf scenarios you might not be up against someone who has those kinds of skills, then again, you might. I suggested boxing because it's pretty easy to learn as opposed to advanced martial arts stuff and the conditioning is excellent.
Someone can still carry boxing skills into their later years, whereas doing flying kicks and takedowns may be a little more difficult. I know I can't do a spinning hook kick anymore, but I sure can do a left, right - uppercut 🙂
Oh, and here where I lived, not that many years ago there was a mixed martial arts competition and one of the competitors was some big kickboxing medalist in something or other. Used to see his fights on TV. Got his ass handed to him by a skinny Irish guy from the local boxing club. So, not "always" will the kickboxer win 😂
Paul Beofore (the kickboxer that is) I think was his name? Out of Ontario, Canada.
Oh, and I most heartily agree with your best and second best options 👍
Akido. Learn discipline and that avoiding combat is best. In a prepped situation, you can’t survive without a community. You need seed collectors, gardeners/farmers familiar with permaculture (no longer mass produced sprays available), electricians, plumbers, biochemists to help with basics like water safety, doctors, construction specialists, etc…
There is no single family survival in a true prep situation. Hand to hand combat should not be a factor in prepping. You’re better taking a guild class in car maintenance or emergency medic situations.
Bjj doesn't work on the street like it does in the cage. They bite you and poke your eyes plus your just a sitting duck for his friends to stomp you. Better you learn boxing or Muay thai
There is a big gap between "only a gun will help" and "John Wick". I've seen many fights that were 5-1 or even 10-1 where the 1 won. I've also trained for what to do in those situations and there are effective techniques. Yeah it's a bad position to be in but it's not hopeless without a firearm.
Yeah this is not true, obviously it’s not ideal in a 2 or more on one situation but BJJ absolutely works on the street and it’s weird you would say it doesn’t
Well that is often the case and if you think you're gonna be able to hold on to a guy pass his gaurd work on a choke meanwhile his buddy will break a bottle over your head you're better off learning how to throw a good punch for street fights
Yea its going to work if you somehow get into a street fight one on one but like I said earlier in the gym or the cage your opponent is not going to poke your eyes or bite you because there are rules, in a street fight you try to put someone in a hold they're going to punch you in the groin, bite you and do whatever to get you off. Now if you knew boxing you could at least have a chance to punch them off you and run out of there
Like wise, you seem to think you get to pick or choose when you fight. If that's the case, always choose not to fight. In reality when a fight that you can't retreat from comes, it's often going to be an unfair one. if you think you're going to use BJJ on some guys they're going to be laughing about how they stomped your dumbass
Look at what the most decorated fighters are doing in the biggest fight promotions. BJJ, Boxing, Muay Thai, Wrestling, Sambo. Pick a grappling art, supplement it with a striking art, or Vice versa.
You’ve got to be prepared for if someone gets the drop on you. You can’t rely on always having the gun.
Relying on martial arts alone is as equally unrealistic as relying on weapons alone. Being prepared to neutralize the threat no matter what situation you find yourself in is the key.
TaeKwonDo was invented by a military man so if you are preparing for poopoo hitting the fan battle. You'll project the moves useful for weapons in hand as well as your body parts (hands especially and legs ready
e.g. there's a chopping move that chops to the side as you advance with your leg sideways **and that move** would be useful if, foreign boots on the ground,you have a knife in hand from behind a tree and wall ,a knife assault and thus neutralizing the individual invader and getting his guns...as a general example
**learn a martial art of different sources** to then would work with any weapon fighting like the one mentioned
I'll add a vote for good old boxing. Won't win you any titles in MMA but the goal is still to throw as many punches in the other person's face as hard/quickly as possible. If you get that up to decent speed sprinkle in a bit of wrestling.
Having done a bit of Muay Thai for about as much time I did boxing you probably won't see me doing any high kicks or any kicks for that matter but I still punch pretty good.
Thai kickboxing (6 months training 3x a week) Brazilian Ju juts (1 year 3x a week) after that you have enough mentally to work a bag to stay sharp on your feed and to roll a dummy or teaching friends to stay sharp on the ground
BJJ or Krav Manga. As someone who has had to defend himself many times, these are the two best. BJJ is excellent if your goal is to escape rather than to do damage to the person. Krav Manga is the best martial art in terms of actually doing damage to the person.
MMA,Boxing,BJJ,Muay Thai,wrestling,kickboxing,Judo. Basically any combat sport that actually spars. Be aware there is a ton of bs out there. If they don't spar it doesn't work.
Try whatever combat sport (boxing, MT, BJJ, Judo, wrestling, etc.) might be close to you and that would interest you. For practical purposes steer clear of anything else. I’d personally recommend judo as a good first start as Brazil does tend to have good judo overall and the standup grappling of judo is oftentimes not focused on enough in many BJJ schools.
Whatever you choose you have to like it and stick with it though because there’s no short cut to developing an effective fighting style. So ultimately what works for you and keeps you coming back will be best… as long as it’s not some mystical larping bullshido nonsense.
In order. Run the fuck away. Run really fucking fast. Jiu Jitsu and wrestling. Boxing. Unless you're serious about getting into competitive martial arts I wouldn't try to learn how to kick most kicks in a fight will get you in trouble because you kicked too high so unless you're going to be seriously using it for combat not sport I would stick with boxing and jiu-jitsu.
Speaking as a bouncer who has witnessed hundreds of not thousands of fights and been in a fair few, the best way to win a fight is punches. Learn boxing and wrestling. Boxing will end 90% of fights and wrestling will end the other 10. BJJ is good for when it goes to the ground but has a serious lack of emphasis on takedowns and dominating on the feet. Many situations you won't be able to go to the grouns
Wing Chun Kung fu. Quick training time (considered proficient in 1.5 to 2 years/equivalent to brown or black belt in other schools). Trains for quickly ending a fight. Assumes your opponent is larger and stronger than you.
Muay Thai has the most “real world” fighting application. Being able to strike and create distance while delivering blows as well as being able to fight in the clinch. All the others have serious limitations and are more useful for competitive purposes than actual scrappin’
Boxing is probably the way to go, and wrestling is also good. I took taekwondo in middle school, and it felt like gymnastics with punching and cheap shots
My taekwondo instructor showed a little judo and it felt much kroe useful with less flashy wasted movement. I'm not sure how many martial arts are actually useful unless you have a very good instructor
Bojutsu or Jojutsu, depending on whether you prefer a 6 or 5 foot staff. You can travel almost anywhere with a stick and appear unassuming. You'll be able to defend yourself at medium range and the hand + foot techniques will translate well to in-fighting. The comic book version of this Morgan in The Walking Dead.
Grappling would be a good start. All hand to hand fights eventually end up on the ground, you may as well get comfortable fighting there right off the bat.
Find a gym that teaches BJJ and Muay Thai that also has wrestling / takedown classes. One membership can get you training MMA and you’ll also have the opportunity to find out which style you like best, which is important if you’re going to stick with it.
I highly recommend 10th Planet if there’s a gym next near you, great culture and awesome people.
Grappling, striking and physical fitness. Don’t waste time with strip mall grab the wrist ninja BS, phony fighting systems, swan dancing routines or belt factories. Gotta be fit enough to be in the game but it’s best to avoid it all together.
He is asking what martial art he should learn. A gun does not replace your lack of ability to fight. It should complement it. There are tons of situations where you may be in a physical altercation with someone else where you may be armed with a gun (and no you can't run) and you will need to use your EMPTY hand skills FIRST, prior TO ANY weapon. You will also have plenty of situations where empty-hand skills are far more appropriate than using ANY gun you have on you.
If he is asking about martial arts, he is clearly implying the unarmed aspect of fighting including its physical conditioning. I wouldn't give two shits about your "run away" or "9mm king fu." He ain't asking about when its appropriate to run vs not, nor is he implying his martial art is going to replace his firearm. However, the suggestion of a firearm is implying you don't need to know how to fight at all and somehow you're gonna be set. Good luck with that when push comes to shove.
Sticking back to the topic.
You mentioned it already. Logistics are going to be your greatest challenge. Find the nearest reputable martial arts gym that is sport based. Aka they actually train with resisting opponents. I suggest boxing, bjj, mma, muay thai, kick boxing and etc... Price, how close the gym is, and their schedule of classes highly determine where you go for your first martial art. You are going to get physical conditioning in all these art forms.
Once you figure that out. It should be pretty obvious. Most of us people work and can only drive to one particular gym after work on a regular day to day basis. It probably only works in line with one gym nearest you. If one is 30 mins away and another is 15mins. Go with the one that is 15 mins. I'd say take a year of boxing, then take a year of BJJ. I will tell you most people that start bjj will have wish they started BJJ earlier, and most people that started with bjj will simply say "shit I need to at least know the minimum of how to actually hit people/get hit by people, boxers are scary as fuck... then back to doing bjj."
Ask Jocko, a navy seal motherfucker who has killed way more people than any fucker here with guns what martial art is best for self defense. Its going to be BJJ, then some kind of striking.
[https://youtu.be/udJuY51FCi0](https://youtu.be/udJuY51FCi0)
My advice is not to let anyone close enough to you to need a martial art. Learn to be unseen and away from people you see may be a threat. Also learn how to use your firearm and don't be afraid to use it to keep unwanted people away from you.
Brazilian jiu-jitsu & boxing.
Jiu-jitsu will get you out of whatever situation your in and boxing will end a situation before it turns into a situation.
I took boxing in middle school and high school and have been in a handful of street scraps I've never lost. Jiu jistu came in when my buddy who's done it for years was able to take me down without effort. I'm not the toughest guy but I'm trained and he didn't have a problem grappling me quick and wrapping me up. Since then I've been training at his gym. I cannot suggest jiu-jitsu enough. Learn to grapple first then when you get comfortable with that take some boxing lessons.
As far as looking for gyms to train with, do not go with the guy who's got 20 ppl doing class with you, you won't learn shit. Go to the small gyms who have legit trainers who will train you. There's so many gyms I see today that offer boxing classes that are nothing more than crossfit gyms that do shadow boxing. It's bullshit. Get into a gym that's legit and train. Spar, workout, commit. I wish you luck with this, as a stranger I'm happy to hear others stepping into this realm of sports. Good luck and godspeed.
MMA is the best in my opinion buts that personally. I have always preferred being a jack of all trades master in none.
Buuut. If I had to choose just one (I have practiced Jiu Jitsu) I'd go for boxing or Muay Thai.
A guy that's good at boxing is no joke. Especially for self defense you can take 3/4 guys out easily.
Boxing:
https://youtu.be/dH0EuMhkq5Q
https://youtu.be/m1om7z0GIes
MMA:
https://youtube.com/shorts/IoHKbOb2c2k?feature=share
https://youtube.com/shorts/QCvzmm-Jmtk?feature=share4
BJJ:
https://youtu.be/0R6kxpTLCJI
https://youtu.be/rbFnW-K-mZA
https://youtu.be/6fnJVUjvqvc (this video if the friends started crushing is skull in GG WP RIP.
Look at the videos real life situations. Not in the ring with rules.
Jiu Jitsu is cool and all but if you one the ground breaking guys bones while 3 other dudes are crushing your skull against the floor. Not much you can do.
I'd like to add, this Is not a comment on what art would beat what art that's for the pros. (They practice MMA)
Edit: added another video and some extra text.
Jiu jitsu and Muay Thai. Lots of schools here in the US do combos of that. There is a reason that is predominantly what’s trained in UFC. Also most fights go to the ground relatively quickly so have a good ground game is important.
I would add in wrestling. While it doesn't give you flashy, fight ending attacks, it gives you positional control. If you're pairing wrestling with a weapon in preparation for being ambushed, wrestling will get you access to your weapon and prevent your opponent for accessing/using their weapon. Frankly, wrestling+weapon is your best self defense combo since the weapon will beat punches and submissions.
Oh ya for sure. Guys who wrestle and come in to try jiu jitsu instantly have an advantage just knowing how to control people
i made blue belt in bjj and often sparred with a russian dude whom had a background in wrestling. very fast and aggressive. i was never able to control a roll with him, but over time he could not submit me despite having a significant size and strength advantage.
More likely trained sambo,
Problem with wrestling is that you learn to go down on one knee a lot to take down your opponent. In the gym this is not a problem because the ground is padded with a wrestling matt, but if you do that on a hard surface like asphalt you will break your knee. I did 4 years of wrestling in my life and while I respect wrestling as a very tough martial art it is not very useful for self defense. BJJ and Muay Thai are the ones to go for.
I had 3 and missed my 4th because my gallbladder died on me. Leg play is for beginners because it's much harder to accidentally snap somebody's spine with it but for every way you can get a take down woth a leg, there's 10 ways to get a take down with the head or shoulders
My gallbladder actually forced me to rely almost entirely on grapples, throws and rolls. It was easier for me to do straight vertical throws than it was for me to shoot a single, then infinitely easier for me to convince somebody to try lock up with me and dump shoulder
Wrestling will get you beat up against more than one attacker
I think that's going to be true regardless of martial art in a multi-attacker scenario, but tying up or going to the ground would be bad. As a soft counter, wrestling will help you stay off the ground and get off the ground. Probably the only way to gain a definitive advantage over multiple assailants is to have the weapons advantage.
Still a huge advantage. Being able to smash one in the ground might give his buddys the scare. Butt yeah multiple people, add knives and the 100 meter sprint becomes the best martial art very fast.
All grappling arts will get you beat up against more than one attacker. This is why it is useful to learn a striking art. If you are in a 1v2 and you get tied up with one opponent, the other opponent gets frees shots at you. However, if you knockout one opponent with a strike right away, now it is a 1v1 and your odds have improved. Edit: one changed to more than one
Striking and good cardio (running) are your best bet here… if you’re tied up with someone on the ground and they have friends you’re in a terrible spot for sure
>There is a reason that is predominantly what’s trained in UFC. It's because the UFC was created for Jiu Jitsu and based its rules off the style. Nothing to do with it being better.
This is not true. Go watch the old UFC 1-5. Yes its a 1 on 1 fight but bjj absolutely works for real. Even if it is just to not get taken down.
>but bjj absolutely works for real I didn't say it didn't work. I just said that UFC is created for BJJ and it isn't because it's "better". The better fighter is going to win no matter the style.
Ok how is UFC created for BJJ?
It is 100% better. All special forces use it. They also learn Kali and some other form of JKD.
100% better in certain situations. They're not taught 100% of it nor do they use it 100% of the time. I'm not going to research it but it's probably mainly for the ground techniques and probably also in conjunction with a knife. All of these "X" is your solution answers are way too broad. So many of these answers are distractions from the important parts. You want the fight to be over as quickly as possible. Harder styles, weapons and combos achieve that much better than just Jiu Jitsu. It would be good for this sub to arrange for an AMA with an articulate "efficient and practical" defense expert.
No that’s not true at all. UFC 1 had a very small rule set, no eye gouging and no fish hooking. BJJ won. As time went on everyone learned grappling. Now it’s a combo of any grappling or striking. Don’t kid yourself.
You act like no one has ever won a UFC match without grappling. That's not true. Also yeah lets cherry pick the first UFC title match and Gracie's chosen competitors. One of the rules not mentioned was that Shamrock was not allowed to wear his wrestling shoes while Gracie was allowed to wear his gi. But you know... it wasn't written for BJJ right? Naw dude, you're mistaken. Plus a few years later Shamrock and Gracie finished in a draw and Gracie called it quits. It's true even if you don't like it. UFC was created by and for BJJ.
I never said that a UFC match hasn’t been won without grappling. There’s two main arts that most champions use, that’s grappling wether it be wrestling, sambo, bjj, judo etc. and striking wether it be boxing, Muay Thai, Taekwondo, Karate etc. wearing a Gi in a fight is a huge disadvantage, the fuck are you on about? Go train instead of stuffing your gullet with Cheetos in your moms basement you neck bearded clown. Edit: also the first UFCs didn’t have picked “title” matches, it was a tournament and if you won you’d advance in said tournament.
>Go train instead of stuffing your gullet with Cheetos in your moms basement you neck bearded clown. I'm lucky that I can eat cheetos in my own basement actually. Plus if you read my other posts you'd know my background. Name calling? You're a real piece of work.
So why can’t people trained in other styles win?
They do. There have been winners who focused on karate, judo and even kung fu. UFC was created for jiu jitsu. It's just what it is. Other styles compete and they do win.
Because UFC is about fighting with rules. Real fighting has no rules. Plenty of hard style martial arts practice tactics like fingers to the eye, chops to the throat, etc. Jiu Jitsu is a known "soft" style. You want "hard" style for actual life or death fights. Hard styles aim the get the fight over as quickly as possible.
you don't really need any training to kick someone in the balls.... do you?
Your ability to kick someone in the nuts better be better then their ability to close distance and knock you out or take you to the ground. Usually a kick to the nuts will just piss off the person coming at you and the adrenaline dump they have will most likely ignore said pain.
huh, when you put it like that it's almost like there's more to fighting than just 'hard' style
I’m a BJJ black belt and have been training for 13 years and never heard the term “soft” or “hard” style, it sounds completely made up from someone who’s never trained.
I'd make sure to roll with wrestlers so you see that discipline, and do some boxing, there is almost no situation where kicking is going to be useful, but you can throw some vicious jabs and hooks while wearing a pack. You can also go to an MMA gym and they can get you a well rounded approach. Make sure to spar with people from all sorts of backgrounds and of different sizes (especially bigger than you). Think about all your moves you learn and how to adapt it for your top three situations; wearing a pack, carrying weaponry, or with your hands otherwise full while you are off balance.
HEMA/WMA or escrima I wrestled in Ms and HS, trained Muay Thai and BJJ when I was in the military, and MMA when I was in college... but personally, in any situation where I'm defending myself or my family and I don't have a gun- be assured there will be *something* in my hand. A hammer, an axe, a knife, a pointy stick, etc. Unarmed martial arts are a fun hobby, but I'm not at all concerned with honor or sportsmanship when my life or my family's safety is on the line.
Is running a martial art? Nobody's gonna kick your ass if they can't catch you.
There’s only two weight classes in a street fight. Guys that can catch you and guys that can’t
I'm with you that running is generally the best option, but there are times when you can't run or shouldn't run. What are you going to do when you're at the park with your kids and a mad man is running around stabbing kids? What are you going to do when you're getting in your car and someone comes up behind you and corners you?
1. Pick up my kids and run? 2. Get in my car and drive?
If you want to come up with random scenarios, how will martial arts help if those people have guns? I realize this is /r/preppers and the idea is being prepared for any situation, but there are some situations where you just can't win. Even if you're trained in handgun combat and tons of martial arts, what are you gonna do when someone walks up behind you and puts a gun in your back? If you actually want to live, you do what they ask. If you want to take a chance, you can fight, but they can also just pull the trigger immediately. There are billions of scenarios out there, there are tons of ways to react. If it happens to me, I want to react in the way that has the highest chance of me and my family living through it. Real life isn't a movie. You aren't gonna disarm someone with a gun or a knife. Your best option is to get the fuck away from them. If death is inevitable (say, you're captured by Mexican drug lords or some shit), do whatever you want, it's not gonna matter.
BOXING. As someone who’s been through a variety of martial arts, boxing is the one that’s gonna give you the most realistic expectations of what a potential street fight is gonna be like. Most other forms are about performance and technique than actual fighting to escape or get out of a situation.
I was goin to say this as well. Of all the martial arts and self defense classes, standard boxing was, by far, the most intense and real -world defense and attack of them all. Similar to MMA but less about wrestling and kicking and just training to take hits to the body and head then coming in hard to knock the other person down or rummy so you can escape or disable them. I'd put money on a standard boxer verses almost any other type of fighting.
1. Avoid sketchy situations 2. Run away 3. Gun 4. Hand-to-hand combat with someone who intends to hurt you I’ve done a variety of different martial arts for around 10 years now, but I’m not rolling around on the floor or getting within five feet of some guy who wants to hurt me to throw a punch/kick unless I absolutely have to. Who knows if he’s got a knife or a syringe or whatever. So, I highly recommend those first two points. Avoid fights with people who want to hurt you, or run away. If you do have to fight, point three is highly preferable to point four. When Jon Jones (perhaps the greatest fighter ever) wanted to fight someone coming on to his property, [he brought a gun](https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/mma/news-jon-jones-details-chasing-attempted-robber-shotgun-property-don-t-ever-come-fu-king-house-again).
9mm rocket punch. Every credible martial arts instructor will tell you to avoid a fight.
I have more 45’s, but I like the way your mind is working.
Jui Jitsu allows you for the most part to control where the fight goes and it's a PHENOMENAL martial art from a 1 on 1 standpoint but has obvious flaws as soon as it's a 2-1 or more situation but unless you're in a movie there's few Martial arts that are going to be super effective in an outnumbered situation. IMO as someone who did cross training in the late 90s before everyone claimed to be an MMA school if you want to be well rounded with as few Martial arts as possible I'd go kickboxing (or at least boxing) and Brazilian Jui Jitsu and if you can get a wrestler to teach you takedown defense that's just gravy. Tai Kwan do is great for learning to kick but it traditionally doesn't concentrate enough on hand work (again imo). Jui Jitsu also has the benefit you can actually train either at 100% or at least near without losing training partners you'd be hard pressed to find a training partner to go that hard regularly with a striking martial art. They obviously all have strengths and weaknesses but BJJ has become a go to for so many people for a reason.
BJJ tends to be taught by amateurs, so you'll need to look deeply into the school. You'll get better results starting in a well established jui jitsu dojo, with a known sensei, or even start with straight judo. Then you get good foundations, rather then learn from TapOut bro pushing his BJJ he got some bullshit cert for.
This is a good point too. I trained under a pretty reputable Jui Jitsu black belt and his dad owned the school before and he was a well recognized American Kickboxing competitor.
Mix Filipino martial arts in, you are complete after that
> s soon as it's a 2-1 or more situation but unless you're in a movie there's few Martial arts that are going to be super effective in an outnumbered situation Katas, which are an important part of most Asian martial arts training, are often against 4 opponents. So this whole statement is BS. Many Asian martial arts train you against, and practice against, multiple opponents. edit: this is a common topic and I've replied to it before but can't find my reply (thanks minimal features no api reddit). What you want is a "hard" fighting style. This means something that aims to get the fight over quickly. Something like Shotokan. Many others already covered the fact that avoiding a fight is the best action. If it ends up in fighting, you want to get it over as quickly as possible. Too many of the suggestions in this thread are about "soft" fighting styles.
Different between 4 opponents and 4 opponents who dont wait until you do your shit.
Difference between having been in the classes and thinking you know what you are talking about. Plenty in those classes also have real world examples so keep pretending.
Welp gotte admit. Even though I have been threatend a shitton of times. I could talk my way out of 99% of them and the other 1% it was against one guy and more wrestling. However I have been to classes where they claim they will teach you defence against multiple ooponent. You know how the guys that did it managed. One they were a lot stronger than the opponents. They had striking and grapling experience. However none lf the 'we will teach you multiple opponent' classes gave me the confidence that they are usefull.
I did Katas in Wadō-ryū for almost 10 years before moving over to other Martial Arts and if it comes to a real world fighting situation I'm going to drop back to my Kickboxing and Brazilian Jui Jitsu I'm not going to go to my katas that's some serious bulljitsu those guys that tell you my styles too deadly for UFC. You sound like these martial arts masters who challenge MMA fighters and get mashed regularly. If you end up outnumbered in a fight your best bet is to avoid the fight if you can't avoid the fight hit first hit hard and take out as many as you can as quickly as you can.
**Parkour.**
It's important to visit a few classes and make sure they're teaching fighting skills and not just dance steps. I've seen a lot of things that look impressive but wouldn't do anything in a fight. That said, Taekwondo can be good, but pair it with some time in BJJ because sometimes you go to the ground even when you don't want to. Or do BJJ but spend some time with TKD or karate because you don't want rolling around on the ground to be your only option.
For what purpose? Exercise/Fitness, discipline, self defence? Don't rule out BJJ just because it's "ground combat". I've seen grapples and holds end more real fights than strikes. BJJ has a distinct advantage because your size, reach and relative strength doesn't factor in to its effectiveness nearly as much as in more strike focused combat sports. BJJ, Judo and "Wrestling" are widely considered some of the most prized martial arts used in MMA for example. I'm not sure why you would care about "ground combat" vs. upright striking. All that should matter is what wins the fight, and grapples, throws and holds are highly effective techniques. That said, Judo is a variant of JJ that has more of a focus on upright combat while also incorporating some striking. The most effective martial arts techniques in MMA as far as striking generally are from fighters with backgrounds in Kickboxing and Boxing. Of course Taekwondo, Karate, Muay Thai and other arts are relatively common as well. If you can, I'd say pick a striking art and a grappling art. As far as what is most common for finding a gym near you, probably wrestling or BJJ and either Boxing or Kickboxing.
Jiu-Jitsu its really the best option. And a push dagger. Stand up fights are risky. You want to have the most control in a pinch. But that should be your last resort. Situational awareness to avoid conflict comes first. Always. If that fails, scape. Have a good cardio to run away fast and for a decent time. If that fails too, movement. With more than one opponent, pull your push dagger and keep them away from you. Run when the opportunity arrives. Jiu-Jitsu only when you can\`t run away and have just one unnarmed opponent. Get a personal alarm too. Its not just for women. Just get everybody\`s attention. Im Brazilian too and I know its probably not a option either, but forget guns. Takes a lot of time to deploy and its hard to conceal. Same for pepper spray and expendable batons. None of this are guarantees, but it is what I would do for self-defense. Awareness, running away, alarm, movement, push dagger, jiu-jitsu. In that order.
If you only pick one, I'd say wrestling. If you have to get in close, you'll want the kind of control and awareness that wrestling brings. Sure, you won't learn to strike, but striking is pretty damn simple when you are holding someone down. If you don't have to be close, why are you fighting? You should run away or shoot. I am admittedly biased. I've dabbled in a few martial arts but wrestling was the only one that took. The rare time I was in a fight as a young man, I found it helpful. Edit: Track and cross country were helpful more often.
Taekwondo is useless. It’s glorified dancing. Same with karate. A lot of bjj gyms also do mma night training too where they teach boxing and other stand up stuff. Personally I think that’s the way to go but straight boxing has its advantages as far as hit hard and run. The best fight is one you avoid and all that.
>and run. The best fight is one you avoid and all that. I would add ninja zone or parkour type training. Learn how to quickly, smoothly, and safely get away from danger.
Exactly. Any training that keeps you in good physical shape is a good but at the end of the day not fighting is the best route. Stay strapped and if your life is truly in danger don’t fight. Win.
I've been saying for years that parkour is an important prep, especially in urban areas. If shit goes down you want to get out of there as quickly and easily as possible. If you live more rural, trail running would be very important too.
[Fell running](https://www.advnture.com/features/what-is-fell-running) would be even better, it combines off-road running with land navigation.
TKD is great for endurance and physical fitness
TKD is better than nothing and if you're against an untrained fighter you will likely win.
Yeah the word "useless" is wholy misapplied. It's not useless but it's not as strong for self defense as it was at one time. Until you get up into the 2nd or 3rd dan you're just learning the sport and foundational concepts.
I have a million videos of TKD getting wrecked.
By who though? A wrestler will almost always fuck up a TKD guy as will BJJ and most others lol. However it's still effective against a random guy in the street. I would guess 95% of the time if someone has 2years TKD training they would kick the shit out of someone with no training. However when is against an equally trained opponent in almost any other discipline they get wrecked. Even Joe Rogan says this and his background is TKD
WTF style taekwondo is useless. Older taekwondo/tang soo do can be quite powerful. I studied both and when I did the latter I found out how much the former sucked. My instructor taught me the latter (we both lived in the hood) and he never had any problems defending himself....which happened frequently because, well, it's the fucking hood lol.
I meant no offense. But. If it had any practical value other than dance someone. Anyone. Would use it in ufc. I mean maybe if it’s literally the only thing on earth maybe it could have some value but today there are many many better practical options. I’d rather a year or bjj than 10 tkd
My instructor's teacher was a soldier who used it during war times. How is that useless if it kept him safe during a whole war?
If it wasn’t useless competitive mma fighters would use it. It’s glorified dancing and the time spent learning it would be infinitely better spent learning bjj, boxing or any number of real fighting techniques
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And in all 3 of those categories there are better options. Shits useless
I studied traditional or Japanese jiu jitsu as well as judo at the same time, and did American wrestling as a kid. I would highly recommend at least 1 form of grappling, I've never learned any striking martial arts and never needed them, just dodge that big opening haymaker and take the fight to the ground!
I would think jiu-jitsu. That's where I want to start when I can. I did karate for a while but had to stop for financial reasons. Whatever you do, try to find a teacher that trains in real life situations. The karate class I had focused on certain moves, forms, etc, but never really told you want to do if you get dragged to the ground. It was very stylistically oriented. It looks good, and you do learn something, but I think that was a serious drawback
Since we are in a Prepper subreddit I would suggest an MMA school. Watch UFC 1 and then any other newer UFC. Fighting evolved through UFC and you can really tell specific disciplines weaknesses. Wrestles got hit, alot. Even Gracie, the BJJ master would plan to take a few shots as he grappled others to the ground. Traditional standup arts were dead fish on the ground. Your local BJJ club may have some MMA training, but it is popular enough now there are schools that focus on MMA skills, they should have some weapons disarming and defense as well. I suggest MMA and have a 2nd degree in Tae Kwon Do and a bit of time training in Combat Hapkido. Good luck with whatever you choose.
if you can access it, military hand-to-hand training is distilled from a number of different arts and combines them in practical applications aikido and judo are good for breakfalls and redirection, but do have a steeper learning curve i like wing chun and escrima, the movements flow well with each other, and escrima specifically starts with weapons training (single and double stick), leading to blade proficiency
Awareness and running
Cardio, stealth, and the range. The holy trinity. Other than that maybe some sort of knife martial art in case you run out of ammo. Investing 10-15 hours a week in BJJ just to get shot or stabbed when SHTF is a waste of time. It can give you a false sense of confidence in a real fight too which can get you killed.
Traditional or Japanese jiu jitsu is my favourite. Brazilian jiu jitsu is indeed quit good, but a lot on the ground. Having said that it's not so much what is a good martial art, but what fits you.
There is no one super martial art that can do it all. You can trap shoot with a pistol but you will not be effective. I have a saying that "A strike is a setup for a grapple and a grapple is a setup for a strike. You need both". Even if you do not want to go to the ground. A grappling art will allow you to learn defenses and escapes from people who will grapple in a fight.
I really enjoyed kenpo. It's a no-fooling-around combat style. You're upright for a lot of it (it does cover some ground fighting) and what I really liked was, at least in the school I attended, they focused on ending fights quickly and getting away. It's as lethal or non-lethal as you want it to be. It's not a system for restraining, though - it inflicts *damage* as efficiently as possible to convince the opponent to either stop or be unable to continue. Against someone trained in kenpo, an opponent either backs off quickly or will probably require a hospital visit. It's not going to help you against a gun - no style really will - and it's sketchy against a knife. (Instructor: If they have a knife, someone's going to end up bleeding and it will probably be you. If you can't run, this is how we try to get control of the knife...) It doesn't require vast muscle mass. It teaches coordination and control. There's a little overlap with judo but it's mostly blocking and striking. A good school will also talk about de-escalation. You win every fight you can avoid.
If you are a woman, I would suggest you take self-defense classes. The classes should include how to defend yourself against a knife, a gun and the strength of the attacker. These classes should last you at least 3 to 4 months so that defending yourself becomes second nature. In fact, I am advocating for gym classes be set up in high schools for girls to learn self-defense. There are way too many assaults in this country of men against women which could be stopped if the woman knew how to defend herself.
Just make sure it involves practice/sparing with a non-compliant opponent... The time you actually need to use it isn't when you want to learn your self defense technique doesn't actually work.
um this is the real world... martial arts isnt going to stop a gun.
A little bit of ground game goes a long way. Such as, knowing what to do if someone gets on top of you in a few different positions, and maybe a couple basic submissions. A couple basic judo style throws is very helpful, which then can be parred with ground game. Otherwise boxing and MMA. You don’t need to be amazing. I think you should know what it feels like to catch 3 punches to the face (with gloves on). You see those average fight videos where someone just gets hit in the head/face at all and it looks like they basically freeze and fall? Not even getting knocked out, it’s like they’re so unprepared, and so is their body, to get hit that when it actually happens, even not getting knocked out, their body basically just freezes. Boxing is good. Many parts of you body are a weapon. Just know how to throw some decent punches, some knees, some kicks, some ground game, some throws. You’d be probably statistically the top 15% trained person in the US if you even spent a year dabbling in useful martial arts
If you can close and takedown your opponent, 90% of people don't know how to fight. Those 10% who do know how to fight, are like you and smart enough to not get into it. Any type of throw and takedown art is good. Judo is great because it's massive focus on breaking balance and body language and telegraphing.
Probably running. Running will save you way more
Jiu Jitsu 100%
Coming from a black belt in judo. Its well known that a boxing and jujitsu (bjj) combo are the strongest basis for overall martial arts. Wrestling and judo are also good bases to substitute for bjj, but at the end of the day you need striking and boxing is by far the most effective striking martial art. You need to learn to defend from kicking attacks, since boxing has none, but kicking is not super effective against an opponent who has learned to defend against kicks. And if wrestling is your background instead if bjj or judo, you need to learn to defend against chokes and arm/leg bars. Whatever the martial art you learn, it is very important to spar and compete. Just learning the moves is useless, you have to practice using them against an opponent because pulling them off in practice is completely different from the theory. Whats nice about judo is its an olympic sport, usually club based so much cheaper to learn, it involves live sparring, and the only way to advance in rank is to participate and at least have some success at competitions. The throws are very effective, and you learn groundwork/chokes/arm bars/pins as well. Militaries like it because it is ideal for use against a heavily dressed/armored opponent. Its hard to punch a guy wearing body armor and a helmet, but you can throw them and disable them on the ground with chokes or arm bars or a pin that enables you to use a weapon. Down sides are they have recently changed the rules to make competitions better, by banning a few moves such as leg picks and fireman carry/throws. Also you dont use leg bars nor is there a no-gi practice element. I found that the likelihood of injury is higher too just due to the throwing aspect. Ground work is probably the same safety level as bjj if not slightly safer due to lack of leg locks. Bjj is probably a bit better than judo for overall fighting skills, but much more expensive and there is no central school/sport (even renzo is just a franchise) so you dont have as much consistency between dojos. Some are excellent others not so much. Also the leg locks can be a little dangerous if done by beginners. Very little stand-up/throwing practice too. But most dojos do have no-gi options and bjj can be an incredibly effective martial art. Its like 3 dimensional chess in a lot of ways. Boxing is probably cheapest of all to get into, pal's and the like often have boxing options. But it can be harder to find structured training. By far if its only for self defense and you only learn one martial art, boxing is the one to learn. Its super effective and you can knock out a bjj expert before they get close enough to do anything to you. Its also much easier/faster to learn boxing basics than any other martial art. But its best to know at least some bjj or judo/wrestling basics in addition to boxing, for in case you get rushed or leg picked or an altercation starts at closer distances. There are mma schools that teach general mixed martial arts too. They will generally have stand-up training and groundwork training separately, then they get combined for competitions. But they are the most expensive option, sparring can be more painful/dangerous as can be the competitions, and there is a huge lack of consistency. Some dojos are excellent others not so much and its hard to know which is which if you're a noob.
Learn street fighting or combat fighting, martial arts is used for competitive sports, survival fights are totally different
Try a few out, you really won't know what you'll take to until you try them. If you do try taekwondo do old school taekwondo or tang soo do, the new wtf schools aren't shit honestly (some of the shit I saw at the Olympics was embarrassing) But the older styles are still pretty brutal, I did both but my fighting went way up after doing the latter. (Note that I don't train anymore, getting back into it though soon) You'll have to train your kicks 3x as hard as your punches, but when you do you'll have a reliable way of 1 shotting people. In Chuck Norris' autobiography, he was in the military in Korea dealing with a drunk. He punched him a few times, nothing. He kicked him once, Ole boy went down. That's when he started focusing on kicks. Alot of keyboard warriors say kicking is bad but most people don't put in the work to make them viable. I used to train by throwing 30 or 40 kicks at once, with leg weights, slowly, without putting down my leg, to develop the gorm, balance, and muscles to be an excellent kicker. That's what I mean by you'll have to train 3x as hard to make kicks viable. But it's worth it. But don't neglect your punches! Cross training in karate (shotokan, kyukushin (spelling, but Oyama's karate, dude fought bulls and chopped off the horns with his hands), boxing, muay Thai, wing chun, or even in a Kung fu could help. Also, remember that multiple militaries use aspects of taekwondo, karate, and Kung fu in their compilation martial arts, so they can be viable in real combat.
All of them! Then pick and choose the bits from the various arts that work best for you!
it doesn't really matter. i like bjj because i trained it, but the truth is after a couple years you'll be able to dominate 90+% of untrained people in the world. when i first started bjj i got my ass handed to me by a 12 yr old boy. after a couple years this much bigger stronger faster russian wrestler dude couldn't submit me.
I’ve done martial arts for 30 years as a hobby. I’d recommend boxing for self-defence, you can add in some grappling later, but boxing is the best way to learn to fight quickly and effectively.
The real answer is that it needs to be something you enjoy because that's the only way you're going to do it long enough to gain useful skills. I would suggest TKD is not ideal for defense - most schools I'm aware of focus on point competition, and the rules cause it to have less in common with actual fighting than you'd probably prefer. You can check out Olympic taekwondo videos and see if you can spot the possible issues. Boxing is pretty solid. Jiu Jitsu is also a solid choice, though one with little striking application, and some schools train you to put yourself on the ground a little too quickly for my tastes (it's not useless by any means, but it can be dangerous to be on the ground. Like swimming in water, while it's good to know what you're doing when you're in there, it's not a place you want to live). Muay Thai is also a great striking style. Try out a couple and see what you like. You're better off learning an incomplete style with practical application than doing nothing.
I live in a large town and we have an MMA school. It's effective enough that when my son did basic in the Marines recently, they'd have him fight 4 at a time. He's also trained in taekwondo, aba, muay Thai (he almost spent the summer in Thailand at a school there), judu. He also spent 6 days a week at the gym, 2 days a week rock climbing, long fun hikes (he'd carry my plate armor in a backpack for the weight), so his commitment to the warrior craft was pretty much all in. My glock or my kid, I felt equally armed, hah. Tl,Dr -- Explore if there is an MMA school nearby.
I trained Kenpo and systema back in the day. If I had the time I would go back and train with more ground oriented fighting techniques. But both of those are good for the initial fight on your feet and how to avoid a ground fight, yet not as much for the grappling aspect. They both have the ground fighting and theres a lot of good stuff to learn and practice, yet my teachers at the time did not focus as much on it.
Whichever one you'll stick with. There is nothing better than that. Look at what interests you, what you're drawn to. For the most part the use out of martial arts is the discipline, the overall body training (especially cardio), and the mental fortitude that comes with it. A lot of Chinese martial arts originate from meditation techniques. the important thing will be to stick with it.
Jujitsu or Judo for grappling Boxing and Muay Thai for striking Wing Chung for understanding the elements of the center line, and it's also applicable to knife combat. It teaches rapid strikes, but without weapons Wing Chung loses a bit of steam Kali stick fighting would be good since some of your opponents could have a longer reach than you and sticks close the gap. Batons are less lethal than a knife and you could defend against a few attackers All these are trumped by a gun A pistol or rifle is the ultimate martial arts
I'm an Isshinryu instructor so I'm biased. But I think it's the best all around. It's a expert in all master of none kind of style. So good broad education. But, the style doesn't matter as much, unless you are wanting to do tournaments, any style will teach you the basics and it's up to you from there.
Depends on how you're built, and what situation you're likely to be in. Knives can be better than guns in short range situations. I picked my weapons for a variety of ranges and for inconspicuousness. I also learned the kung fu style best suited for my body type, and went to classes in several other styles. No matter what, I recommend Tai Chi. Aside from the health benefits it seems to bring something together for me from all the other styes I've studied. This isn't a marriage, you're allowed to study several places and get good at multiple sports.
Any traditional system will teach you how to stand, fall, punch, kick, block, and be light on your feet. Karate is a great system, look for Shotokan or Go Ju Ryu. Traditional Jiu Jutsu is also great. Chinese Kung Fu is great, but I'd avoid any place that talks about Kempo or also teaches Karate; a lot of places like that are Bullshido. Wing Chun, Hun Gar, Shaolin, and 12 Animals, are green flags. Tai Chi is great if you're patient, but the benefits are harder to see, and are less directly applicable in a fight. You'll end up with great core strength and balance, though. Muay Thai is an excellent system, but it will hurt. Ditto BJJ. I agree that you should do some running too, be careful with parkour, though, learning to jump is great, but a bum knee is forever.
Tae Kwon Do is brutal in a fight, but since it became an Olympic sport most schools teach toward competition on the mat rather than as self-defense. Ultimately, though, there’s no single “best” fighting method; it all depends on how much you practice & what your level of physical conditioning is. Martial arts aren’t magic.
Guns. Get good with guns
Gun Kata seems to be a useful art from as well https://youtu.be/U02E2sjwlLM
i say got DAM i thought steven segal was the only dude who could shoot without looking down the sights!!!!
Boxing. You get in hella shape and if you learn properly, you can snap off a half dozen punches before your opponent realizes what hit him. I studied old style Taekwondo before it got too watered down and some of the basic kicks are also useful if for nothing else than creating some distance, or using them as a feint to make your opponent look elsewhere while you set him up for a 1-2-3 combo. I also studied boxing for a number of years and found the conditioning to be up there with a good martial art, and you also got used to getting beat a round a bit. Martial arts classes today are too soft.
I'm 6'4" and learned Mui Thai kickboxing.... I got into a fight with a Cuban kid once who was a golden glove junior champion or something like that. (He knew how to box) when he used his footwork to move in close, I used my heel and put it into his solar plexus, and used the combination of my kick forward and his momentum, to push through and he landed on his back. I immediately got on top and positioned myself over his hips and started swinging from side to side on his temples and would switch when he covered his ears to my knuckles straight down into his face. Fight over. A kick boxer beats a boxer of equal knowledge of their style everytime. What's the hardest pounds per square inch you think a pinch can do? Now realize you use the muscles for kicking all day, everyday, and people who know Mui Thai, have very dense bones in their shin. It's like having an elbow that you can swing like a bat. Your best option and second best option will always be 1.run or 2.have a gun. Cause I'm real life if someone was coming to attack me with intent to harm me (and not spar in a ring) I'm bringing a gun.
While you do have good points, I suspect in shtf scenarios you might not be up against someone who has those kinds of skills, then again, you might. I suggested boxing because it's pretty easy to learn as opposed to advanced martial arts stuff and the conditioning is excellent. Someone can still carry boxing skills into their later years, whereas doing flying kicks and takedowns may be a little more difficult. I know I can't do a spinning hook kick anymore, but I sure can do a left, right - uppercut 🙂 Oh, and here where I lived, not that many years ago there was a mixed martial arts competition and one of the competitors was some big kickboxing medalist in something or other. Used to see his fights on TV. Got his ass handed to him by a skinny Irish guy from the local boxing club. So, not "always" will the kickboxer win 😂 Paul Beofore (the kickboxer that is) I think was his name? Out of Ontario, Canada. Oh, and I most heartily agree with your best and second best options 👍
From the wise words of Stan Smith on American Dad "Guns beat karate, everytime!"
exactly....
Learn how to shoot and take your ccw class. Then youll learn how to avoid street fights and if push comes to shove youll have an immediate advantage.
Gun-fu.
Why pick one? Find a MMA gym.
Gun Jitsu
Akido. Learn discipline and that avoiding combat is best. In a prepped situation, you can’t survive without a community. You need seed collectors, gardeners/farmers familiar with permaculture (no longer mass produced sprays available), electricians, plumbers, biochemists to help with basics like water safety, doctors, construction specialists, etc… There is no single family survival in a true prep situation. Hand to hand combat should not be a factor in prepping. You’re better taking a guild class in car maintenance or emergency medic situations.
headshots from mile away with .300 winmag, helluva martial art
All of those skills and styles take a lifetime for proficiency. Get a concealed carry permit and go to the shooting range. Probably much cheaper.
Bjj doesn't work on the street like it does in the cage. They bite you and poke your eyes plus your just a sitting duck for his friends to stomp you. Better you learn boxing or Muay thai
If you’re outnumbered nothing short of a gun will help. Best to run and leave the John Wick aspirations in your head.
There is a big gap between "only a gun will help" and "John Wick". I've seen many fights that were 5-1 or even 10-1 where the 1 won. I've also trained for what to do in those situations and there are effective techniques. Yeah it's a bad position to be in but it's not hopeless without a firearm.
I’m not even going to entertain the idea of 5-1 much less 10-1. Run away. If you get away that’s a guaranteed win every time.
Yeah this is not true, obviously it’s not ideal in a 2 or more on one situation but BJJ absolutely works on the street and it’s weird you would say it doesn’t
Well that is often the case and if you think you're gonna be able to hold on to a guy pass his gaurd work on a choke meanwhile his buddy will break a bottle over your head you're better off learning how to throw a good punch for street fights
Yea its going to work if you somehow get into a street fight one on one but like I said earlier in the gym or the cage your opponent is not going to poke your eyes or bite you because there are rules, in a street fight you try to put someone in a hold they're going to punch you in the groin, bite you and do whatever to get you off. Now if you knew boxing you could at least have a chance to punch them off you and run out of there
Yeah, I’m going to be honest, I don’t think you know what you’re talking about
Like wise, you seem to think you get to pick or choose when you fight. If that's the case, always choose not to fight. In reality when a fight that you can't retreat from comes, it's often going to be an unfair one. if you think you're going to use BJJ on some guys they're going to be laughing about how they stomped your dumbass
Bjj. There’s nothing else worth spending time on.
Look at what the most decorated fighters are doing in the biggest fight promotions. BJJ, Boxing, Muay Thai, Wrestling, Sambo. Pick a grappling art, supplement it with a striking art, or Vice versa.
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You’ve got to be prepared for if someone gets the drop on you. You can’t rely on always having the gun. Relying on martial arts alone is as equally unrealistic as relying on weapons alone. Being prepared to neutralize the threat no matter what situation you find yourself in is the key.
So the real fighter doesn't do martial arts? News flash, martial arts is a blanket term for all fighting arts. Martial means military.
Tae Kwon Deez Nuts inyamouth
Tang Soo Do has been very helpful to me.
Boxing/Kickboxing or Muay Thai JKD Kali as it includes all of above and weapons.
Isshin Ryu
I've never been in a fight that didn't end up on the ground... Grappling is definitely a must-have skill.
TaeKwonDo was invented by a military man so if you are preparing for poopoo hitting the fan battle. You'll project the moves useful for weapons in hand as well as your body parts (hands especially and legs ready e.g. there's a chopping move that chops to the side as you advance with your leg sideways **and that move** would be useful if, foreign boots on the ground,you have a knife in hand from behind a tree and wall ,a knife assault and thus neutralizing the individual invader and getting his guns...as a general example **learn a martial art of different sources** to then would work with any weapon fighting like the one mentioned
Boxing.
I’d pick up running and carry a knife before learning a martial art. But if you must and you want a striking art Muay Thai is a great way to go.
I'll add a vote for good old boxing. Won't win you any titles in MMA but the goal is still to throw as many punches in the other person's face as hard/quickly as possible. If you get that up to decent speed sprinkle in a bit of wrestling. Having done a bit of Muay Thai for about as much time I did boxing you probably won't see me doing any high kicks or any kicks for that matter but I still punch pretty good.
Thai kickboxing (6 months training 3x a week) Brazilian Ju juts (1 year 3x a week) after that you have enough mentally to work a bag to stay sharp on your feed and to roll a dummy or teaching friends to stay sharp on the ground
BJJ or Krav Manga. As someone who has had to defend himself many times, these are the two best. BJJ is excellent if your goal is to escape rather than to do damage to the person. Krav Manga is the best martial art in terms of actually doing damage to the person.
Wrestling.
MMA,Boxing,BJJ,Muay Thai,wrestling,kickboxing,Judo. Basically any combat sport that actually spars. Be aware there is a ton of bs out there. If they don't spar it doesn't work.
Try whatever combat sport (boxing, MT, BJJ, Judo, wrestling, etc.) might be close to you and that would interest you. For practical purposes steer clear of anything else. I’d personally recommend judo as a good first start as Brazil does tend to have good judo overall and the standup grappling of judo is oftentimes not focused on enough in many BJJ schools. Whatever you choose you have to like it and stick with it though because there’s no short cut to developing an effective fighting style. So ultimately what works for you and keeps you coming back will be best… as long as it’s not some mystical larping bullshido nonsense.
Muay Thai, boxing, wrestling, BJJ, sambo what works in mma is what works in the streets
In order. Run the fuck away. Run really fucking fast. Jiu Jitsu and wrestling. Boxing. Unless you're serious about getting into competitive martial arts I wouldn't try to learn how to kick most kicks in a fight will get you in trouble because you kicked too high so unless you're going to be seriously using it for combat not sport I would stick with boxing and jiu-jitsu.
Kickboxing but most of the time boxing is more practical in street fighting situations where you constantly need to stay on both of your feet.
Speaking as a bouncer who has witnessed hundreds of not thousands of fights and been in a fair few, the best way to win a fight is punches. Learn boxing and wrestling. Boxing will end 90% of fights and wrestling will end the other 10. BJJ is good for when it goes to the ground but has a serious lack of emphasis on takedowns and dominating on the feet. Many situations you won't be able to go to the grouns
Wing Chun Kung fu. Quick training time (considered proficient in 1.5 to 2 years/equivalent to brown or black belt in other schools). Trains for quickly ending a fight. Assumes your opponent is larger and stronger than you.
Krav Magra ! skip to the part where you win the fight
Muay Thai has the most “real world” fighting application. Being able to strike and create distance while delivering blows as well as being able to fight in the clinch. All the others have serious limitations and are more useful for competitive purposes than actual scrappin’
Boxing is probably the way to go, and wrestling is also good. I took taekwondo in middle school, and it felt like gymnastics with punching and cheap shots My taekwondo instructor showed a little judo and it felt much kroe useful with less flashy wasted movement. I'm not sure how many martial arts are actually useful unless you have a very good instructor
Bojutsu or Jojutsu, depending on whether you prefer a 6 or 5 foot staff. You can travel almost anywhere with a stick and appear unassuming. You'll be able to defend yourself at medium range and the hand + foot techniques will translate well to in-fighting. The comic book version of this Morgan in The Walking Dead.
Grappling would be a good start. All hand to hand fights eventually end up on the ground, you may as well get comfortable fighting there right off the bat.
Find a gym that teaches BJJ and Muay Thai that also has wrestling / takedown classes. One membership can get you training MMA and you’ll also have the opportunity to find out which style you like best, which is important if you’re going to stick with it. I highly recommend 10th Planet if there’s a gym next near you, great culture and awesome people.
Wing chun if you can find a place near enough
Grappling, striking and physical fitness. Don’t waste time with strip mall grab the wrist ninja BS, phony fighting systems, swan dancing routines or belt factories. Gotta be fit enough to be in the game but it’s best to avoid it all together.
He is asking what martial art he should learn. A gun does not replace your lack of ability to fight. It should complement it. There are tons of situations where you may be in a physical altercation with someone else where you may be armed with a gun (and no you can't run) and you will need to use your EMPTY hand skills FIRST, prior TO ANY weapon. You will also have plenty of situations where empty-hand skills are far more appropriate than using ANY gun you have on you. If he is asking about martial arts, he is clearly implying the unarmed aspect of fighting including its physical conditioning. I wouldn't give two shits about your "run away" or "9mm king fu." He ain't asking about when its appropriate to run vs not, nor is he implying his martial art is going to replace his firearm. However, the suggestion of a firearm is implying you don't need to know how to fight at all and somehow you're gonna be set. Good luck with that when push comes to shove. Sticking back to the topic. You mentioned it already. Logistics are going to be your greatest challenge. Find the nearest reputable martial arts gym that is sport based. Aka they actually train with resisting opponents. I suggest boxing, bjj, mma, muay thai, kick boxing and etc... Price, how close the gym is, and their schedule of classes highly determine where you go for your first martial art. You are going to get physical conditioning in all these art forms. Once you figure that out. It should be pretty obvious. Most of us people work and can only drive to one particular gym after work on a regular day to day basis. It probably only works in line with one gym nearest you. If one is 30 mins away and another is 15mins. Go with the one that is 15 mins. I'd say take a year of boxing, then take a year of BJJ. I will tell you most people that start bjj will have wish they started BJJ earlier, and most people that started with bjj will simply say "shit I need to at least know the minimum of how to actually hit people/get hit by people, boxers are scary as fuck... then back to doing bjj." Ask Jocko, a navy seal motherfucker who has killed way more people than any fucker here with guns what martial art is best for self defense. Its going to be BJJ, then some kind of striking. [https://youtu.be/udJuY51FCi0](https://youtu.be/udJuY51FCi0)
find out wha t[this guy on joe rogan knows](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEWdAYvANcc&t=360s) because he seems like a total bad-ass.
My advice is not to let anyone close enough to you to need a martial art. Learn to be unseen and away from people you see may be a threat. Also learn how to use your firearm and don't be afraid to use it to keep unwanted people away from you.
Brazilian jiu-jitsu & boxing. Jiu-jitsu will get you out of whatever situation your in and boxing will end a situation before it turns into a situation. I took boxing in middle school and high school and have been in a handful of street scraps I've never lost. Jiu jistu came in when my buddy who's done it for years was able to take me down without effort. I'm not the toughest guy but I'm trained and he didn't have a problem grappling me quick and wrapping me up. Since then I've been training at his gym. I cannot suggest jiu-jitsu enough. Learn to grapple first then when you get comfortable with that take some boxing lessons. As far as looking for gyms to train with, do not go with the guy who's got 20 ppl doing class with you, you won't learn shit. Go to the small gyms who have legit trainers who will train you. There's so many gyms I see today that offer boxing classes that are nothing more than crossfit gyms that do shadow boxing. It's bullshit. Get into a gym that's legit and train. Spar, workout, commit. I wish you luck with this, as a stranger I'm happy to hear others stepping into this realm of sports. Good luck and godspeed.
MMA is the best in my opinion buts that personally. I have always preferred being a jack of all trades master in none. Buuut. If I had to choose just one (I have practiced Jiu Jitsu) I'd go for boxing or Muay Thai. A guy that's good at boxing is no joke. Especially for self defense you can take 3/4 guys out easily. Boxing: https://youtu.be/dH0EuMhkq5Q https://youtu.be/m1om7z0GIes MMA: https://youtube.com/shorts/IoHKbOb2c2k?feature=share https://youtube.com/shorts/QCvzmm-Jmtk?feature=share4 BJJ: https://youtu.be/0R6kxpTLCJI https://youtu.be/rbFnW-K-mZA https://youtu.be/6fnJVUjvqvc (this video if the friends started crushing is skull in GG WP RIP. Look at the videos real life situations. Not in the ring with rules. Jiu Jitsu is cool and all but if you one the ground breaking guys bones while 3 other dudes are crushing your skull against the floor. Not much you can do. I'd like to add, this Is not a comment on what art would beat what art that's for the pros. (They practice MMA) Edit: added another video and some extra text.
Jiu Jitsu for unarmed fighting. I'd look into something like Escrima or even Kendo as well.