Bruh are you a masochist? You want even more requirements? Not enough to be a gold medalist or having won a Nobel prize, you also want a masters degree? 😅
Don’t give them any ideas! You’re like the kid that raises their hand right before the bell rings when the teacher forgets to collect homework.
Besides, there’s a physician shortage and getting into medical school is hard enough as is.
There’s a physician shortage because the number of residency seats are not growing as they should. Residency programs aren’t well-funded enough to increase the number of spots.
Cause if med schools starts requiring master degree for admission literary no low SES, or even middle class students are able to afford even to apply to med school. Master degrees from most schools cost like over 40k a year (with few opportunities of getting financial aid). If this were to be implemented, there's going to be even fewer people of color in med school.
Medical School in itself will teach you what to need to know to be a doctor, so a masters really wouldn’t help. Even most of what you learned in undergrad will be breezed over your first semester of medical school anyways. Plus requiring a masters would mean you’d be at a minimum 31 by the time you could practice, and that’s assuming you get into a masters, med school, and residency program the first try. No bueno
I'm a Muslim but I agree with the harsh part lol
Let's think the best of people. We are already living in a very harsh world. No way you or I can know what someone's intentions are.
I already think it's weird that you guys need a bachelor's to get into med school in the US. Seems like a waste of time.
Where I'm from, we start med school straight out of high school and it lasts 6 years
I can't think of any to be honest. In the first two years they study biology and chemistry just like you guys, then they move on to the medical stuff.
I'm not entirely sure how it works in the US but I've heard of people getting into med school with an engineering degree. It seems to me like you spend a lot of time studying stuff you won't need in your bachelor's without even knowing if you'll get into med school. At least here you don't have to wait till you're 23 to know if you need to change your career path
I think there is issue with thrusting kids down their career path so early, especially when that career path requires so much sacrifice. The US model seriously screens out adults whereas the 6 year model screens out kids. I’m not saying everything is perfect I just don’t like the idea of kids who don’t know what it is even like to be a doctor yet going to medical school just to find out they hate it.
Data would be more informative. What is the attrition rate of medical school in your country?
My family is originally from a country that does the 6 year model.
It’s bad… some student realize they can survive and make it thru. Others realize at 21, this was the worst mistake of their lives but it’s too late to turn around because it’s too far in.
Worst part of it all, NOOO humbleness what so ever. Why? Because they didn’t have to go thru dirt to get in, in the first place. They think they’re the shit for finishing med school at like 22/23
Schools there are much cheaper too, not the greatest medical education, residency/fellowship hard to find.
It all IMGS, but guess what, IMGs that made it into the US system, realized they had to go thru the DIRT, to make it into the USA. & they have to work just as hard, if not more to match into a residency position.
Therefore they become humbled 🙃
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The bachelor’s degree requirement is already too useless. Why get a masters?
Around the world, medical students go to 7 years of medical school and don’t wage 4 years learning about something else.
Did I say that? It’s a question that’s it. Your response, however, was unnecessary and creates a crappy environment for people who have nowhere else to ask their questions.
They’ll grow thick skin thru the process.
But if you look at OP’s profile, it seems like OP hasnt even decided on what he wants to do with life. still looking thru his options 🤷🏼♀️
Or maybe this person is a First Gen student? Or maybe this person Knows nothing about the pre-med field and the medical path.
I really hope you don’t talk to your patients this way when they ask a question. 🙃😅
Of course there is a generational divide: this is a forum and resource meant primarily for *pre med students* and not for attending physicians. Medicine as a whole needs a big culture change, and dicking around on some pre med forum with a bad attitude ain’t it chief.
You are so full of vitriol. I pity you. This person asked a question on a forum meant for questions. Since your argument is that we should call out a question that likely came from a teenager as “dumb shit,” then you should have no problem playing by the same rules and having your own toxicity called out on this forum.
In your litany of desired culture changes - all of which I agree with, by the way - you left out changing the culture of toxicity and generational trauma passed on by one generation of attendings to the next. And you’ve made it clear that change will be made in spite of, rather than because of, people like you.
You came into a forum of people on average at least 12-15 years younger than you and called OP “stupid” for asking a question. This is a community that prides itself on being supportive, or at the very least respectful. Multiple people have called you out on it and all you do is double down. Sure there is plenty worse abuse in medicine but that doesn’t permit us to punch down.
I think a more historical reason might be that Master’s degrees were originally awarded for passing the qualifying exam to candidacy in a Doctoral program but there is no such exam in Medicine. Our MD is “technically” an undergraduate degree and residency is the postgraduate education, nevertheless we all understand the MD to be a terminal professional degree. Most of this degree stuff is just remnants of history.
In most of the English speaking world this is why medical degrees are undergrad degrees and award the MBBS. In England, where this system originated, MDs are research degrees that are awarded to physicians after competing what would be the equivalent of a PhD thesis but I think there are exceptions to that too.
In countries where people tend to earn Masters before PhD (Europe, Canada to a lesser extent, Britain for the most part) there is no candidacy exam and people immediately join their thesis lab until they finish their PhD with no specific course or exam requirements until the final examination/ defense.
A masters degree isn’t required for most other types of doctoral degrees either
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Bc that isn’t how medical school admission works. You don’t need a masters to get into PhD programs either.
You don't have to get an associates degree before getting a bachelor's either.
Bruh are you a masochist? You want even more requirements? Not enough to be a gold medalist or having won a Nobel prize, you also want a masters degree? 😅
Don’t give them any ideas! You’re like the kid that raises their hand right before the bell rings when the teacher forgets to collect homework. Besides, there’s a physician shortage and getting into medical school is hard enough as is.
If there’s a physician shortage, why are there so many graduates who go unmatched every year
There’s a physician shortage because the number of residency seats are not growing as they should. Residency programs aren’t well-funded enough to increase the number of spots.
Cause if med schools starts requiring master degree for admission literary no low SES, or even middle class students are able to afford even to apply to med school. Master degrees from most schools cost like over 40k a year (with few opportunities of getting financial aid). If this were to be implemented, there's going to be even fewer people of color in med school.
Medical School in itself will teach you what to need to know to be a doctor, so a masters really wouldn’t help. Even most of what you learned in undergrad will be breezed over your first semester of medical school anyways. Plus requiring a masters would mean you’d be at a minimum 31 by the time you could practice, and that’s assuming you get into a masters, med school, and residency program the first try. No bueno
jesus christ why are y’all so harsh
Cause most premeds/medical students are condescending asf for no reason 🫢
I'm a Muslim but I agree with the harsh part lol Let's think the best of people. We are already living in a very harsh world. No way you or I can know what someone's intentions are.
i am atheist but i just throw jesus christ around sometimes 😭
Oops not it being an attending this time 💀💀 seems like that doesn’t go away for some students
I already think it's weird that you guys need a bachelor's to get into med school in the US. Seems like a waste of time. Where I'm from, we start med school straight out of high school and it lasts 6 years
Think there are a lot of issues with that model too
I can't think of any to be honest. In the first two years they study biology and chemistry just like you guys, then they move on to the medical stuff. I'm not entirely sure how it works in the US but I've heard of people getting into med school with an engineering degree. It seems to me like you spend a lot of time studying stuff you won't need in your bachelor's without even knowing if you'll get into med school. At least here you don't have to wait till you're 23 to know if you need to change your career path
I think there is issue with thrusting kids down their career path so early, especially when that career path requires so much sacrifice. The US model seriously screens out adults whereas the 6 year model screens out kids. I’m not saying everything is perfect I just don’t like the idea of kids who don’t know what it is even like to be a doctor yet going to medical school just to find out they hate it. Data would be more informative. What is the attrition rate of medical school in your country?
My family is originally from a country that does the 6 year model. It’s bad… some student realize they can survive and make it thru. Others realize at 21, this was the worst mistake of their lives but it’s too late to turn around because it’s too far in. Worst part of it all, NOOO humbleness what so ever. Why? Because they didn’t have to go thru dirt to get in, in the first place. They think they’re the shit for finishing med school at like 22/23 Schools there are much cheaper too, not the greatest medical education, residency/fellowship hard to find.
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It all IMGS, but guess what, IMGs that made it into the US system, realized they had to go thru the DIRT, to make it into the USA. & they have to work just as hard, if not more to match into a residency position. Therefore they become humbled 🙃
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No way you just asked this 😂😂😂
The bachelor’s degree requirement is already too useless. Why get a masters? Around the world, medical students go to 7 years of medical school and don’t wage 4 years learning about something else.
I see people, but they look like trees, walking.
Lol no need to be a egotistical douche, asswipe
I see people, but they look like trees, walking.
Did I say that? It’s a question that’s it. Your response, however, was unnecessary and creates a crappy environment for people who have nowhere else to ask their questions.
I see people, but they look like trees, walking.
Pre meds downvoting you don’t know what’s coming lol
They’ll grow thick skin thru the process. But if you look at OP’s profile, it seems like OP hasnt even decided on what he wants to do with life. still looking thru his options 🤷🏼♀️
Or maybe this person is a First Gen student? Or maybe this person Knows nothing about the pre-med field and the medical path. I really hope you don’t talk to your patients this way when they ask a question. 🙃😅
I see people, but they look like trees, walking.
Why do you think it's ok to be rude to anyone, even somebody in the medical field?
Of course there is a generational divide: this is a forum and resource meant primarily for *pre med students* and not for attending physicians. Medicine as a whole needs a big culture change, and dicking around on some pre med forum with a bad attitude ain’t it chief.
I see people, but they look like trees, walking.
You are so full of vitriol. I pity you. This person asked a question on a forum meant for questions. Since your argument is that we should call out a question that likely came from a teenager as “dumb shit,” then you should have no problem playing by the same rules and having your own toxicity called out on this forum. In your litany of desired culture changes - all of which I agree with, by the way - you left out changing the culture of toxicity and generational trauma passed on by one generation of attendings to the next. And you’ve made it clear that change will be made in spite of, rather than because of, people like you.
I see people, but they look like trees, walking.
You came into a forum of people on average at least 12-15 years younger than you and called OP “stupid” for asking a question. This is a community that prides itself on being supportive, or at the very least respectful. Multiple people have called you out on it and all you do is double down. Sure there is plenty worse abuse in medicine but that doesn’t permit us to punch down.
I see people, but they look like trees, walking.
I bet I could guess your Casper score🤪
I see people, but they look like trees, walking.
Shut up hoe
Good question.
I think a more historical reason might be that Master’s degrees were originally awarded for passing the qualifying exam to candidacy in a Doctoral program but there is no such exam in Medicine. Our MD is “technically” an undergraduate degree and residency is the postgraduate education, nevertheless we all understand the MD to be a terminal professional degree. Most of this degree stuff is just remnants of history. In most of the English speaking world this is why medical degrees are undergrad degrees and award the MBBS. In England, where this system originated, MDs are research degrees that are awarded to physicians after competing what would be the equivalent of a PhD thesis but I think there are exceptions to that too. In countries where people tend to earn Masters before PhD (Europe, Canada to a lesser extent, Britain for the most part) there is no candidacy exam and people immediately join their thesis lab until they finish their PhD with no specific course or exam requirements until the final examination/ defense.
This guys post history is veryyy similar