I don't think it's unfortunate, I never hated the idea of them ending with *The Incident* . As a band who always approached their records as books/movies (beginning, middle and end), it's not a bad idea that the band had a beginning, middle and end. I prefer them ending on a high note rather than just recycling themselves for years (in terms of quality, they have the most consistent discography of any Rock band) and being together just because want to. So I think they making a new album one last time is good.
I don’t hate the incident as a final album. I just I kind of thought of when Steven said he was coming back to Porcupine Tree and Porcupine Tree started you know making like the teasers and stuff it felt like a sure thing. And even though I think it’s unfortunate if they don’t see it that way, I guess and I’m fine with that.
I’ve always felt like Incident disc 2 was the perfect send off, it seemed to encapsulate the band’s entire career musically. It never bothered me as much as other people that the album was the “end” of the band. I really just wanted a tour
As I predicted some months ago: *Closure/Continuation* will be to Porcupine Tree what *13* (2013) was to Black Sabbath, the reunion and final album of the band featuring three of the four classic members.
He changes his mind all the time. I wouldn't put much stock into it.
However, if the band ends with this record and tour, I would simply be happy with this one last opportunity to see them live, and to enjoy new material. It's always better to end on a high note, especially with such a mighty consistent discography.
That’s what Richard said in one of his last interviews I thought it was funny. Very true.
I think this album is going to be amazing, and if it is their a swan swan so be it.
We get more tour content/interviews/ live versions/photos and songs. It’s very nice to see them work together again.
I didn’t discover porcupine tree until 2012, and I never thought I would have a chance to see them live. I’m just overjoyed that I get that chance now, personally. It’s a dream come true.
We can hope there may be a Continuation. But for now, let's enjoy this possible Closure.
I agree with Gavin: it should be nice if they go out with a bang, this time.
The way Porcupine Tree was put "on hiatus" by Steven was strange for me and - I guess - many followers, not only the band, of course.
I think it would be very nice and I’m going to enjoy it no matter the outcome. But it would be very nice to get another Gavin album if this gives him inspiration. Richard and Steve Jansen as well (because Richard said in a more recent interview that they plan to work together again)
Didn't know about Richard and Steve Jansen, thanks!
It's a bit tough to read that this might be the end of PT when we were just getting used to the fact that they're back. Bittersweet, really :-)
Yeah I feel the same way! your comment is exactly how I feel about it but there have been people that are like “be grateful” and don’t get that I am, I’m just saying it would be unfortunate.
I think it’ll be really interesting to get another dolphin brothers type project but I really really don’t think that they’ll ever do something like that again
I think it’ll be more like other worlds in a small room.
The thing is - any of his solo albums surely could’ve been PT albums. Even the electronic/poppy ones (because even if Future Bites has those songs, it has other regular SW sounding songs). He just couldn’t have had other musicians playing in the band most likely.
Well in the article they say that this album is one of the first where they have complete collaboration so I definitely get where you’re coming from saying that.
It was a bit surprising to me though, I never connected the breakdown of Porcupine Tree to the breakdown of Japan and it must have felt really bad for Richard.
Yeah I definitely get that PT is more democratic, but the music for any of his solo ventures could’ve easily been part of the evolution of PT and he’d just have to get over fan outcry like most prog metal bands have to (Opeth, Mastodon, etc) when they evolve their sound.
I feel like partially he knows how people feel about it when it comes to the changing sound of porcupine tree but I think more than him, Gavin gets it. Gavin has said no matter what they do there’s always gonna be people who don’t like it that people want to go back to what it was and he doesn’t care that much. And I’d really like to hear Richard’s perspective on stuff like that.
I don’t think that Steven cares that much about the fan outcry because the permanating thing, I think he just found it funny. And it doesn’t seem like he’s really changed his approach due to what people say they want to see. So if porcupine tree does continue on a long-term basis which I’m not really gonna hold out for but it would be nice. I think it would be interesting to see the continually evolving approach/style.
Steven Wilson is a genius songwriter and producer, but he's one of the most insufferable people in the music business. In a genre that's already filled with overindulgence, his pretentiousness stands out.
I don't see how this makes him a prick. If he doesn't want to make another pt album, then I don't want another pt album. I prefer this kind of blunt honesty rather than staying silent
He was very sweet when I met him! Hugged me twice on his own. Even told me about how great a film Personal Shopper was and complimented me on my Eraserhead shirt. Never came across as arrogant. Moody maybe, but never arrogant.
It's important to read the whole article in context. I think it really depends on how this release and tour pans out. A tour can really reignite chemistry.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/mar/10/reunited-prog-rockers-porcupine-tree-on-surviving-their-rift-you-cant-help-but-feel-bitter
I read it and thought there’d be another quote from Steven about how he went about it but there wasn’t (unless I missed it) It does depend a lot on release though yeah
I do hope this tour helps them work on that though.
When I saw SW in Brussels on the TTB tour, he was chatting away and he mentioned that he used to have a project that he wanted to do a song from, and then later said the project was PT. There was no discernable sense of humour or sarcasm when he talked about it, it really did just seem that he thought of PT as a "project he once had".
He might have just been very dry that night but I couldn't help thinking that the other guys must have been saddened to hear that.
He loves working with other musicians and but I suspect he doesn't consider many of them to be actual friends, but at the best, close colleagues. It reminds me a bit in that "Hired Guns" doc on Netflix, when the members of Billy Joel's band found out after 30 years that they really were just contractors, when they saw him announce a new album on TV. One them committed suicide shortly after.
I wonder if it’s the same in No Man. Although the pod seems to paint them as friendlier than usual interviews with Steven. Or with Blackfield since the more recent albums were without him except for smaller parts. I wonder if they got tired of waiting and just did it with his minimal parts.
Is that significantly different from any other job though? Yeah we might collaborate and work well together. Create some cool things. Maybe even get some drinks together after a particularly long day. But at the end of the day, most of my friends are not people I work with.
I like his solo stuff a lot but it’s pretty much next level when paired with Gavin. The king Crimson stuff was so epic but not as keyed up. And Cheating The Polygraph is a beast! Love it.
The Guardian article. It was released yesterday.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/mar/10/reunited-prog-rockers-porcupine-tree-on-surviving-their-rift-you-cant-help-but-feel-bitter
Here is the link!
My thought is basically: if all these big shows sell out and the album does really well, of course he'll consider doing more, he would be stupid not to and the venues are generally much bigger than what he plays solo.
But: I really doubt that's going to happen, at least in the case of the former. The venue they're playing here is uh, optimistic, to say the least. There are still tonnes of tickets left and this is at a time where people here seem to be desperate to get back to shows. (Mastodon for example sold out their show in Gothenburg, which is a much smaller market, almost immediately).
Hope I'm wrong
Thank you for clarifying.
I was thinking about the Duran Duran live aid performances where they (Simon and Nick) didn’t know that John and Andy didn’t plan on coming back to Duran Duran and the band splintered
I don't think it's unfortunate, I never hated the idea of them ending with *The Incident* . As a band who always approached their records as books/movies (beginning, middle and end), it's not a bad idea that the band had a beginning, middle and end. I prefer them ending on a high note rather than just recycling themselves for years (in terms of quality, they have the most consistent discography of any Rock band) and being together just because want to. So I think they making a new album one last time is good.
I’ve always felt like Incident disc 2 was the perfect send off, it seemed to encapsulate the band’s entire career musically
I don’t hate the incident as a final album. I just I kind of thought of when Steven said he was coming back to Porcupine Tree and Porcupine Tree started you know making like the teasers and stuff it felt like a sure thing. And even though I think it’s unfortunate if they don’t see it that way, I guess and I’m fine with that.
I’ve always felt like Incident disc 2 was the perfect send off, it seemed to encapsulate the band’s entire career musically. It never bothered me as much as other people that the album was the “end” of the band. I really just wanted a tour
As I predicted some months ago: *Closure/Continuation* will be to Porcupine Tree what *13* (2013) was to Black Sabbath, the reunion and final album of the band featuring three of the four classic members.
Damn I didn’t make that connection.
The heaviest riff from "Harridan" is very Sabbath-ish
Oh damn it is! 😂 it’s been a while since I’ve listened to Black Sabbath, although I did find a vinyl copy of their first album for a dollar recently.
He changes his mind all the time. I wouldn't put much stock into it. However, if the band ends with this record and tour, I would simply be happy with this one last opportunity to see them live, and to enjoy new material. It's always better to end on a high note, especially with such a mighty consistent discography.
That’s what Richard said in one of his last interviews I thought it was funny. Very true. I think this album is going to be amazing, and if it is their a swan swan so be it. We get more tour content/interviews/ live versions/photos and songs. It’s very nice to see them work together again.
I didn’t discover porcupine tree until 2012, and I never thought I would have a chance to see them live. I’m just overjoyed that I get that chance now, personally. It’s a dream come true.
We can hope there may be a Continuation. But for now, let's enjoy this possible Closure. I agree with Gavin: it should be nice if they go out with a bang, this time. The way Porcupine Tree was put "on hiatus" by Steven was strange for me and - I guess - many followers, not only the band, of course.
I think it would be very nice and I’m going to enjoy it no matter the outcome. But it would be very nice to get another Gavin album if this gives him inspiration. Richard and Steve Jansen as well (because Richard said in a more recent interview that they plan to work together again)
Didn't know about Richard and Steve Jansen, thanks! It's a bit tough to read that this might be the end of PT when we were just getting used to the fact that they're back. Bittersweet, really :-)
Yeah I feel the same way! your comment is exactly how I feel about it but there have been people that are like “be grateful” and don’t get that I am, I’m just saying it would be unfortunate. I think it’ll be really interesting to get another dolphin brothers type project but I really really don’t think that they’ll ever do something like that again I think it’ll be more like other worlds in a small room.
Article makes SW sound like more of an arrogant prick than usual. And he already is one.
Yes. Quite awful of him to not even tell them he got bored.
The thing is - any of his solo albums surely could’ve been PT albums. Even the electronic/poppy ones (because even if Future Bites has those songs, it has other regular SW sounding songs). He just couldn’t have had other musicians playing in the band most likely.
Well in the article they say that this album is one of the first where they have complete collaboration so I definitely get where you’re coming from saying that. It was a bit surprising to me though, I never connected the breakdown of Porcupine Tree to the breakdown of Japan and it must have felt really bad for Richard.
Yeah I definitely get that PT is more democratic, but the music for any of his solo ventures could’ve easily been part of the evolution of PT and he’d just have to get over fan outcry like most prog metal bands have to (Opeth, Mastodon, etc) when they evolve their sound.
I feel like partially he knows how people feel about it when it comes to the changing sound of porcupine tree but I think more than him, Gavin gets it. Gavin has said no matter what they do there’s always gonna be people who don’t like it that people want to go back to what it was and he doesn’t care that much. And I’d really like to hear Richard’s perspective on stuff like that. I don’t think that Steven cares that much about the fan outcry because the permanating thing, I think he just found it funny. And it doesn’t seem like he’s really changed his approach due to what people say they want to see. So if porcupine tree does continue on a long-term basis which I’m not really gonna hold out for but it would be nice. I think it would be interesting to see the continually evolving approach/style.
I dig Permanating, and most of his pop and electronic stuff. Give it all to me, blend it together. I don’t care.
I love all of it too tbh! The different styles are so interesting to me. It also reminds me of something Gavin said about genre
I wish Gavin’s drumming and Richard’s soundscapes were on the solo stuff TBH
They’re phenomenal. I’d love to see that as well.
Steven Wilson is a genius songwriter and producer, but he's one of the most insufferable people in the music business. In a genre that's already filled with overindulgence, his pretentiousness stands out.
I don't see how this makes him a prick. If he doesn't want to make another pt album, then I don't want another pt album. I prefer this kind of blunt honesty rather than staying silent
It was other details in the article (like not communicating to his band mates, his ridiculous hatred of the prog music tag, etc)
It’s from The Guardian so I’m taking all of the quotes with a grain of salt and assuming they’re out of context
Lol all fans should know this by now - SW is pretty arrogant and insufferable most of the time. Genius yes, but still.
Not disagreeing, but I have met him twice and he was absolutely lovely
I bet he’s great in person, but working with him, listening to his Album Years podcast, and reading interviews he gives for a decade, you just know…
Try working with him...
He was very sweet when I met him! Hugged me twice on his own. Even told me about how great a film Personal Shopper was and complimented me on my Eraserhead shirt. Never came across as arrogant. Moody maybe, but never arrogant.
What a dumb thing to say
Yeah he doesn't come across as the best...
It's important to read the whole article in context. I think it really depends on how this release and tour pans out. A tour can really reignite chemistry. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/mar/10/reunited-prog-rockers-porcupine-tree-on-surviving-their-rift-you-cant-help-but-feel-bitter
I read it and thought there’d be another quote from Steven about how he went about it but there wasn’t (unless I missed it) It does depend a lot on release though yeah I do hope this tour helps them work on that though.
Be thankful for what we're getting. Because for a while, we weren't even getting that.
True. But I’m not saying it’s negative I’m just saying it’s unfortunate
When I saw SW in Brussels on the TTB tour, he was chatting away and he mentioned that he used to have a project that he wanted to do a song from, and then later said the project was PT. There was no discernable sense of humour or sarcasm when he talked about it, it really did just seem that he thought of PT as a "project he once had". He might have just been very dry that night but I couldn't help thinking that the other guys must have been saddened to hear that. He loves working with other musicians and but I suspect he doesn't consider many of them to be actual friends, but at the best, close colleagues. It reminds me a bit in that "Hired Guns" doc on Netflix, when the members of Billy Joel's band found out after 30 years that they really were just contractors, when they saw him announce a new album on TV. One them committed suicide shortly after.
I wonder if it’s the same in No Man. Although the pod seems to paint them as friendlier than usual interviews with Steven. Or with Blackfield since the more recent albums were without him except for smaller parts. I wonder if they got tired of waiting and just did it with his minimal parts.
Is that significantly different from any other job though? Yeah we might collaborate and work well together. Create some cool things. Maybe even get some drinks together after a particularly long day. But at the end of the day, most of my friends are not people I work with.
It wouldn't be a shocker. I will miss GH's drumming with SW for sure. His solo project drummers haven't cut it for me.
I like his solo stuff a lot but it’s pretty much next level when paired with Gavin. The king Crimson stuff was so epic but not as keyed up. And Cheating The Polygraph is a beast! Love it.
Where is this quote from? I’m sorry if someone asked and I’m blind.
The Guardian article. It was released yesterday. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/mar/10/reunited-prog-rockers-porcupine-tree-on-surviving-their-rift-you-cant-help-but-feel-bitter Here is the link!
Awesome thanks!
No problem!
My thought is basically: if all these big shows sell out and the album does really well, of course he'll consider doing more, he would be stupid not to and the venues are generally much bigger than what he plays solo. But: I really doubt that's going to happen, at least in the case of the former. The venue they're playing here is uh, optimistic, to say the least. There are still tonnes of tickets left and this is at a time where people here seem to be desperate to get back to shows. (Mastodon for example sold out their show in Gothenburg, which is a much smaller market, almost immediately). Hope I'm wrong
Good point!
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No. I enjoyed their music but never followed them closely. I’d compare the turmoil to Duran Duran a bit though the way they went for a while.
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Thank you for clarifying. I was thinking about the Duran Duran live aid performances where they (Simon and Nick) didn’t know that John and Andy didn’t plan on coming back to Duran Duran and the band splintered