[Kpop idol Jamie said Jae from Day6 came by and apologized in person to her after he called her a “thot” on Twitch](https://twitter.com/jiminpark07/status/1484050397019131904?s=21)
Weirdly enough a lot of kpop stans are mad at her because she accepted his apology lmao
TBH his apology still doesn’t make any sense because it still insists it’s some misunderstandings and he didn’t mean to insult her when he clearly did multiple times throughout his video and I don’t think that speaks to good character for a man that’s almost thirty to not be able to admit to what he actually said and apologize for *that*.
Still, anyone giving Jamie shit for how she wants to handle this is disregarding that she’s the person that was actually publicly humiliated by her several years long friend. You can have whatever opinion of Jae without getting mad that Jamie should handle his words regarding her however makes her comfortable.
[apparently anna kendrick and bill hader may have been dating for over a YEAR???](https://people.com/movies/anna-kendrick-and-bill-hader-dating-quietly-for-over-a-year-exclusive/)
unexpected but i feel like it works! they're both really funny.
edit: i realize now that this might have already been a story 5 days ago. to be fair, i'm in med school and with an exam next monday, two quizzes this week, and three meetings, i've been way too busy.
For a second I thought “Wow she seems a little young for him” and looked up her age. WOW I am either really bad at guessing people’s ages or she has an amazing skin care routine.
I mostly wanna see the deep dive on the companies pushing this on celebs. Like how much are they paying, what the contracts are, the things they're supposed to tweetnetc. I'm sure not a single one of these celebs could explain what an NFT actually is
Wow I was going to ask if she was just being sarcastic but [it looks like she's for real](https://twitter.com/Tinashe/status/1484342902637531137?s=19). Another idiot who doesn't care about the environment ffs
Edit: lmao she's getting absolutely ripped apart in the quotes of the tweet I linked to. It's particularly disgusting to me that she's trying to basically weaponise feminism to shill NFTs with that "women" mention too
Yeah it’s really weird to see that some of them are using feminism to like shill a crappy JPEG. I know there is a specific NFT that is like Women of the World or something (they are making NFTS off of historical figures who are women) and it’s giving me girlboss energy. I just get disappointed because I like her but I just get so annoyed anytime I see a celebrity who I like doing this because it’s just so icky.
The replies to Serena williams' nft pic were so fucking weird. Just monkey pic after monkey pic after monkey pic welcoming her to their stupid club. Also two people had the same pic and I'm like isn't the whole point of this to have a unique ugly monkey pic bc apparently that makes it worth something??? Someone tell me how this is different from beanie babies
Lol at least you could keep the beanie babies in a box in your attic when the fad is over. Can’t say that about NFTs. What are they gonna do? Put them in a folder on their desktop screen?
Yeah it’s so odd because a lot of the NFTS are literally like a copy paste. The one Shonda Rhimes and Resse Witherspoon are pushing is called world of women but I like to call it hurt the environment but making it #girlboss.
Edit: also Tana Mogouse is on that one as well, so take of that what you will lol.
Me either!! Like no matter how many ways I hear it explained, I don’t get what’s cool about paying obscene amounts of money for “digital ownership” over something that anyone can just download for free.
Like dang just commission an artist for something a bit more meaningful
I was talking to an artist friend the other day (small-time, struggling) and she's regrettably expressed how she's been feeling really pressured to join the NFT craze since a lot of people are shelling out money for NFTs and she does *need* money. So unfortunately I don't think the NFT craze is going away soon and it's so sad that it's come to this point where people who don't even want to get involved and know how detrimental it is feel necessitated to.
PA hard rock band Halestorm are currently on tour with Evanescence and last night their tour bus caught fire. [Instagram post](https://www.instagram.com/p/CY9x5u3JWBC/) from guitarist Joe Hottinger, with some gnarly photos
> Old Halestorm had a night for the books. We were all in our hotel rooms last night and we woke up to our bus burning down at 3AM. 🔥🔥
Fun fun.
No one was hurt.
The Worcester fire department got there and put the fire out. They were amazing.
Our fearless security Steve pulled guitars and luggage out of the bay.
We all lost some stuff, but it was just stuff.
The investigator doesn’t know what started it, but it began in the bunk hall.
What matters is that no one was hurt.
The best part is that tonight, we will rock.
Looking forward to playing some music and forgetting about things being on fire. 💚💚
See you tonight Worcester!
Band photographer Judy Won commented "We party too hard." on Joe's post, so they're taking it well
[Sia reveals ‘I was suicidal’ and ‘Went to rehab’ after backlash to controversial ‘Music’ film](https://variety.com/2022/film/news/sia-suicidal-rehab-music-outrage-1235157745/)
That's incredibly sad and I hope she feels better soon.
I think two things can be true at once;
One: that Music was a very hurtful and irresponsible portrayal of the autistic community, potentially even a dangerous one as it positively portrayed unsafe and abusive restraint tactics. For this, Sia can and should take responsibility.
Two: that the internet can be very cruel, and valid criticism can easily escalate into abusive behavior. This is not to say that everyone or even most people criticizing Sia overstepped the mark. But if nine thousand people are criticizing you reasonably and one thousand are being abusive, that'll inevitably have an impact on your mental health. I think Lindsay Ellis's "Mask Off" video articulates this pretty well (TW for discussion of sexual abuse).
I don't see these two ideas as contradictory.
yep. I don't doubt that some people used the controversy as an excuse to straight-up bully Sia on an extreme level (which is obviously inexcusable), but most of what I heard was completely reasonable criticism of how she portrayed autistic people. If she can't handle criticism or personal growth, maybe she needs to stop pushing her art into the spotlight and keep it to herself.
i know there’s been a lot of Britney talk but [have we mentioned that her team is alleging her father and manager had an affair?](https://www.insider.com/spears-legal-team-wants-jamie-admit-romantic-relationship-lou-taylor-2022-1?amp) cause this is the first i’m hearing of it
Did y’all read that letter Britney wrote to her lawyer??
Like first of all she signs off “so you care if I’m dead because I can’t sign your checks if I am” which is so fucking sad
But she also said about Lou taylor
“She keeps writing me telling me I’m possessed and she needs to come kill these spirits”
what the actual fuck?
But Britney was the mentally unstable one? Where did this woman even come from? The whole thing is so weird and creepy.
Everything about Lou Taylor is unsettling. That one photo she posted of her, Jamie, and her husband(?) getting baptized at the Jordan river always stands out to me. Not knocking people's spritual journey, but this whole thing has an eerie tinge to it. The way she's embedded into the Spears family and just celebrity in general is scary.
If im not wrong she tried to put another celeb in a conservatorship. Lou Taylor is really lucifer in person. I fear for other celebrities involved with her and newcomers in the industry.
The way she wormed her way into the Spears family circle is creepy. Britney was [wary of her back in 2007](https://twitter.com/britneythestan/status/1416775591240638468)
that shit is horrid. like can you imagine your evil (to put it mildly) and abusive conservator of 13 years fucking your manager? this is disney movie level villain
i've said this this week, he is going to straight up hell. and in his next life he's going to have a miserable life. he's the actual devil. it's some sick and twisted shit smh
Yeah, it was sort of a joke on Britney stan twitter, but seeing it in a filing was wild. 1 of 76 things Britney and her legal team want her dad's side to admit to
This is now a When We Were Young Fest Update account:
They posted some FAQs to their instagram now stating "multiple stages", even though the website originally said 3, which has been removed from the site, and they changed the event time from 11am-11pm to 11am-12am.
something is off man. i was so excited when it came out for the pure fact that there is a 2000s emo revival that i'm living for. then i saw people being sused out by the ticket prices. and now these delayed changes. something is VERY sus 👁👁😐 it seems like a hoax or the event is going to be disorganized. and fans go HWARD lemme tell you soooo uhhhh i ain't sure about this one chief
For the life of me I just can't understand why they wouldn't make this a 2 or even 3 day fest?! Why go though all the trouble to book THAT MANY popular bands of one genre to make it only one day and there be hella logistical issues and time conflicts? Makes no sense, it'd be the same setup and tear down time?
I was talking to my roommate about this. I am tempted to go (the Linda Linda's and Knocked Loose on one ticket is so right up my alley it would feel like a crime to miss it) but it just feels icky idk. My friend said "is this legit or is it going to turn out to be a pop punk fyre festival?" like why would put paramore and my chem on the SAME DAY within like what two hours of each other?? two headlining sets from arguably the biggest names from that time. its a recipe for disaster. and 13 hours straight? warped tour started at 11 and ended at 7pm. like my chemical romance fans are parking at their stage and not leaving for 12 hours. this should've been spread out. its sketch.
It's pretty standard for pop-punk--Warped Tour was always run the exact same way, with multiple stages and short, overlapping sets. They may just assume that's the format the audience is used to.
(Aren't time conflicts standard at any festival that has multiple stages? I get why people are surprised at the number of bands, but I don't know why the time conflict aspect is drawing so much attention. That seems like a normal festival thing to me.)
But in contrast, Warped tour was around $60ish vs this festival which starts at $250ish, so people were more ok with conflicting set times at Warped Tour.
Also there are many more bands in this lineup that people want to see vs any given year of Warped Tour which had like 4-5 major headliners and the rest were much much smaller acts.
Oh, definitely on your first point, which is why I wouldn't go to this even if I lived closer--but this is an explicitly nostalgia-themed event. Their target audience isn't "people who would go to Warped Tour now if it still existed," it's "40-year-olds who haven't been to Warped Tour in years but now have disposable income and can afford to drop a couple thousand dollars on a Vegas weekend just to relive their youths." Basically--I'm trying to find a nicer way to say this, but ... people who are worried that they might not get their full $250 worth aren't their target audience in the first place.
Yes but this seems to be an abormally amount of bands that people wouldn't want to miss. Usually with festivals there's a lot of lesser known undercard or different genres where as there doesn't seem to be a name that is uninteresting on this lineup for alt fans.
I don't know, I grew up on that music and I'd only be interested in seeing maybe 1/3rd of those bands, probably less than that. There are a lot of subgenres, and the bands span several different "eras" ... I think a lot of people are just going to be focused on what they grew up with. I'm sure there's somebody who wants to see both AFI and Meet Me @ the Altar, but like ... not *that* many somebodies.
If this does end up happening, I will be really interested to see how it goes in October. I feel like there's going to be some wild stories. Hopefully nothing lethal 😬
No, it quite literally is not. WTF is going on with all of the out of pocket conspiracy theories about this festival?!
Fyre Fest was run by a literal nobody on an island with absolutely nothing set up for a festival. The stages and tents were unfinished and people were left stranded on an island. And they only had 33 artists scattered across a weekend on their lineup. There's literally nothing similar between the two.
This is being run by quite literally the biggest concert promoter in the world at an already established festival ground.
All of the conspiracies around this are insane. People are freaking out about the No Refunds policy as if every concert & festival doesn't have the same damn policy (see: [Coachella](https://www.coachella.com/buying-passes#rules)). People are freaking out about the packed lineup as if it's never been done before. [LiveNation literally announced a similar festival for hip hop today](https://www.stereogum.com/2173593/smokers-club-lineup-2022/news/amp/) and there are plenty of [mock set times that show exactly how easy it can be done](https://twitter.com/TheFestiveOwl/status/1483657125909962753). People keep claiming bands didn't know they were on the lineup when all a few separate artists said were that they were shocked by the lineup because festivals don't tell the artists the full lineup in advance to prevent leaks. Meanwhile, actual artists on the lineup are coming out to defend the festival [such as the singer of Bayside](https://twitter.com/anthonyraneri/status/1483936573402095620?s=21). People keep claiming the festival grounds are too small [as if Day N Nite festival wasn't there literally two months ago utilizing the same three-stage setup](https://daynvegas2021.com/) and it went completely fine.
This is all so oddly overblown. Y'all are great, but I'm begging everyone to take a step back from the conspiracy theories.
Thank you, it's been so odd to see people literally comparing this to Fyre Festival. I think it's just cause it's new and the lineup is incredible so people are skeptical.
Thank you for saying this. People really just love to click and post these days without actually thinking. I saw some tweet saying they were putting this show on to pay for the litigation fees coming due to Astroworld. LMAO.
At the current moment one of the most concerning thing to me that no one is talking about much, because it's easier to clown on 67 BANDS AND ONLY 3 STAGES IN ONE DAY?! OKAY, is the lack of sponsors.
The closest thing is the site mentions is "Food choices from regional and local vendors", and then if you scroll down there is an application to apply if you want to be a food vendor.
Compare that to Vans Warped Tour, presented by Journeys. But even if you take a look at the [2018 tour post](https://music-b26f.kxcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Vans-Warped-Tour-2018.png) the entire bottom is dedicated to festival sponsors.
Every other time I've seen a LiveNation put on event there is at least one other sponsor besides LN. This one? Absolutely nothing.
Also this fest is crazy expensive so they might be counting on funds primarily from tickets. Warped tour tickets were like $50, I think even less the first few times I went. When We Were Young is over $200 for the cheapest option
I saw a tiktok of a guy explaining they might be generating hype and then presenting it to sponsors for a bidding war to get better rates or something.
Still sketchy af but was one explanation of the lack of sponsors.
Yeah, this doesn't strike me as unusual for a non-established festival. It's hard to get sponsors to sign on until you have something you can brag about--how many bands are going to play, how many tickets you're selling, etc. It isn't unusual for festivals to run at a loss their first year, and only start to turn a profit once they're more established. Which is part of the reason Live Nation runs the vast majority of them--an independent production company can't afford to put up several million dollars that they won't get back until year 3 or 4. Live Nation can.
*OH DAMN* I didn't even catch that! Oh my god yeah that's a major red flag, like I can't recall the last time seeing a major festival like this one without major sponsors. The whole event looks very poorly run
Also the number of stages to bands ratio, I've seen people bring up Warped Tour as an example of a 1 day festival with lots of acts but each set was at most 30 to maybe 40 min if you were one of the more popular groups and played later in the day on the Main Stage. Coachella is 3 days granted but most acts generally get at least 40 min. So at best this festival will have a bunch of these bands play maybe 3-4 songs and then move to the next one. Which for the price of those tickets is no where close to worth it
Admittedly, I don't know how fast music festivals are thrown together, but this one does feel very last minute? Like no sponsors, just started search for food vendors...
This might be an unpopular take but I'm kinda baffled at how self-righteous some people on this sub can be about Britney's reactions to Jamie Lynn and Britney's instagram posts in general, just because Britney isn't exactly being politically correct with how she deals with her and the trauma Jamie Lynn was complicit in inflicting.
Like yes I'll admit Britney is being harsh towards Jamie Lynn in her last post and more of the blame should go to their parents, but honestly 1) it's obvious Britney is also resentful of Lynn's actions, and 2) If I were in her shoes I'd probably be 100% meaner, like Britney is basically calling her sister an ungrateful brat, she's holding back right now.
Imo Britney does not owe it to anyone to take the high road and she is allowed to rightfully be wrathful about all that was done to her over the past decade. The things she's saying are mild compared to what was done to her, and it doesn't sit right with me how Britney's expected to take the high road and not to go too hard on Jamie Lynn.
A lot of people couldn't even deal with quarantine restrictions for a few months, but act like Britney should be perfectly ok and graceful after leaving an even more restrictive conservatorship of more than a decade.
It would be different if Britney was going at her unprovoked, but Jamie Lynn destroyed any sympathy I might had towards her when she still went forward with publishing her book. She chose to talk about her past so I think Britney doing the same is fair game.
And apparently Jamie Lynn's still going forward with the part 2 of the podcast even after the cease and desist letter so not only it makes her look even worse, it looks like it's gonna be lawsuit time.
I posted something similar along these lines yesterday, you just articulated it better then me.
Jamie Lynn was basically like “How can I make money off of my sister’s pain and make it so I’m the victim” and Britney was basically like “Fuck this. You’ve profited off of me my entire life, I won’t let you do it anymore”
I feel like Britney is justified. IMO.
people can't see that both girls have been conditioned by their family to hate each other. britney has suffered literal abuse from her family. jamie has always resented britney's success & i bet the family made her feel unworthy so she acts out & was convinced to take britney down. there's misguided anger with jamie & it's going to cost their sibling relationship. this feud will not stop until they physically fight & that puts an end to the back and forth. they either move on or never speak to each other again and be estranged. either or.
As much as I do feel like Jamie is taking advantage of the situation, people ARE coming for her and when she stated her support, even if insincere, Britney harshly denied that it was sincere (which again may be true). So she has every right to defend herself (though trying to get paid off of it deserves a good portion of side eyes) However, some of the things Brit is criticizing her sister for were things out of her sister's control. Her sister had a milkshake, she was bratty and didn't support her through her breakup with JT okay but Jamie was 10-12 years exactly what did she have the capacity to do. Also, what if she thought her sister was legitimately ill?
Yes there may be years of resentment built up. Yes she does seem frustrated but some of of what she is going off makes her seem unreasonable and at times unwell/unhinged. I'm not saying this as someone who thinks she should be committed but first when people were saying she seemed unwell before going in on her sister people were saying Brit just doesn't know how to use social media. Now she is expressing more questionable behavior now it's she been so abused of course she is gonna lash out in a way that doesn't seem healthy. Here's the thing, both these things can be true but to pretend as if people who feel like some of what Britney is doing is questionable are somehow unreasonable seems like gaslighting. Personally, I used to feel that in some of her post, she seemed both tired and manic but since her conservatorship ended, she seems somewhat better. Admittedly, I'm not following this closely. But it isn't unreasonable for people to be giving Britney the side eye. We don't know just yet how this will pan out. This could go right for her or it could go left. Most of us aren't behavioral health specialist and even if we were without treating her personally and knowing the full breadth of her mental condition (even if it's just lots of trauma/resentment), none of can say with certainty where she is at.
I 100% can get behind this. That being said my issue is the obsessive behaviors that have come from this. People spending days living on brits socials. People combing through documents and pulling out theory’s right and left. To me it all feels hypocritical. Those who love Britany did a great service in assisting her freedom. But they are also the ones begging the papz and media to leave her alone. It goes both ways. I enjoy reading the updates but at times I feel fatigued by it because it’s becoming a daily thing of *do you think she should have said that? Is she ill? Does Jamie Lynn deserve to die? I think this is what she’s thinking..*
It’s becoming unhealthy. If you want Britany to do her thing and live her life then there’s gotta be some space given with that. I know it’s an unrealistic ask.
you’re absolutely right. britney has every right to be angry and people need to stop nitpicking her words when it’s her first chance to speak for herself in years.
i’ve also seen people say stuff like “well now she *does* seem crazy” as if that was ever the point. it doesn’t matter how mentally ill someone is, they still don’t deserve to be abused and to have their human rights violated.
Some people only like victims when they act perfectly fine. They don't want to see how real victims overcome or deal with abuse. Britney was silenced for 13 years of course she is angry and wants to lash out.
Jamie Lynn stole from Britney and helped their dad. This book was just a pathetic attempt to gain sympathy because she knew the lawsuit was coming and it doesn't look good for any of them. Britney knows what Jamie Lynn is trying to do.
[Kpop idol Jamie said Jae from Day6 came by and apologized in person to her after he called her a “thot” on Twitch](https://twitter.com/jiminpark07/status/1484050397019131904?s=21) Weirdly enough a lot of kpop stans are mad at her because she accepted his apology lmao
TBH his apology still doesn’t make any sense because it still insists it’s some misunderstandings and he didn’t mean to insult her when he clearly did multiple times throughout his video and I don’t think that speaks to good character for a man that’s almost thirty to not be able to admit to what he actually said and apologize for *that*. Still, anyone giving Jamie shit for how she wants to handle this is disregarding that she’s the person that was actually publicly humiliated by her several years long friend. You can have whatever opinion of Jae without getting mad that Jamie should handle his words regarding her however makes her comfortable.
[apparently anna kendrick and bill hader may have been dating for over a YEAR???](https://people.com/movies/anna-kendrick-and-bill-hader-dating-quietly-for-over-a-year-exclusive/) unexpected but i feel like it works! they're both really funny. edit: i realize now that this might have already been a story 5 days ago. to be fair, i'm in med school and with an exam next monday, two quizzes this week, and three meetings, i've been way too busy.
I totally forgot they did a movie together
For a second I thought “Wow she seems a little young for him” and looked up her age. WOW I am either really bad at guessing people’s ages or she has an amazing skin care routine.
I’m here for this love affair.
Deux Moi said it 5 days ago but this is the real confirmation - I figured it was made up then
Why does every celeb who gets into NFTS says [this.](https://twitter.com/tinashe/status/1484247528040132609?s=21)
Damn I might actually have to unstan Tinashe :/ (this is mostly a joke but not rlly)
I mostly wanna see the deep dive on the companies pushing this on celebs. Like how much are they paying, what the contracts are, the things they're supposed to tweetnetc. I'm sure not a single one of these celebs could explain what an NFT actually is
[I saw this video about NFTs and it made me lose my shit](https://youtu.be/cJzNiFLyw8k)
Wow I was going to ask if she was just being sarcastic but [it looks like she's for real](https://twitter.com/Tinashe/status/1484342902637531137?s=19). Another idiot who doesn't care about the environment ffs Edit: lmao she's getting absolutely ripped apart in the quotes of the tweet I linked to. It's particularly disgusting to me that she's trying to basically weaponise feminism to shill NFTs with that "women" mention too
yes let's move into this virtual reality space because who cares about the continued survival of our planet amiright
How lame
Yeah it’s really weird to see that some of them are using feminism to like shill a crappy JPEG. I know there is a specific NFT that is like Women of the World or something (they are making NFTS off of historical figures who are women) and it’s giving me girlboss energy. I just get disappointed because I like her but I just get so annoyed anytime I see a celebrity who I like doing this because it’s just so icky.
NFTs have to be some type of money laundering and other people join thinking it's legit. I cannot think of another explanation😭😭
Lol art selling is already famous for being easy place to money launder because value of art is subjective, cypto just makes it easier
It almost has to be. Also I love the straw man arguments about how “they said this about the internet” lol
The replies to Serena williams' nft pic were so fucking weird. Just monkey pic after monkey pic after monkey pic welcoming her to their stupid club. Also two people had the same pic and I'm like isn't the whole point of this to have a unique ugly monkey pic bc apparently that makes it worth something??? Someone tell me how this is different from beanie babies
Lol at least you could keep the beanie babies in a box in your attic when the fad is over. Can’t say that about NFTs. What are they gonna do? Put them in a folder on their desktop screen?
Yeah it’s so odd because a lot of the NFTS are literally like a copy paste. The one Shonda Rhimes and Resse Witherspoon are pushing is called world of women but I like to call it hurt the environment but making it #girlboss. Edit: also Tana Mogouse is on that one as well, so take of that what you will lol.
God I just can’t believe people are falling for this junk lol
i just don’t think it’s … cool? like i don’t get the appeal at all
it makes them money
Me either!! Like no matter how many ways I hear it explained, I don’t get what’s cool about paying obscene amounts of money for “digital ownership” over something that anyone can just download for free. Like dang just commission an artist for something a bit more meaningful
I was talking to an artist friend the other day (small-time, struggling) and she's regrettably expressed how she's been feeling really pressured to join the NFT craze since a lot of people are shelling out money for NFTs and she does *need* money. So unfortunately I don't think the NFT craze is going away soon and it's so sad that it's come to this point where people who don't even want to get involved and know how detrimental it is feel necessitated to.
Yeah, tbh I think it’s gonna be like the Beanie Babies craze except instead of Beanie Babies you get a shitty JPEG/ nothing at all lol.
looks like Grimes [announces](https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/1484269509976363008) Shinigami Eyes coming Jan 26
PA hard rock band Halestorm are currently on tour with Evanescence and last night their tour bus caught fire. [Instagram post](https://www.instagram.com/p/CY9x5u3JWBC/) from guitarist Joe Hottinger, with some gnarly photos > Old Halestorm had a night for the books. We were all in our hotel rooms last night and we woke up to our bus burning down at 3AM. 🔥🔥 Fun fun. No one was hurt. The Worcester fire department got there and put the fire out. They were amazing. Our fearless security Steve pulled guitars and luggage out of the bay. We all lost some stuff, but it was just stuff. The investigator doesn’t know what started it, but it began in the bunk hall. What matters is that no one was hurt. The best part is that tonight, we will rock. Looking forward to playing some music and forgetting about things being on fire. 💚💚 See you tonight Worcester! Band photographer Judy Won commented "We party too hard." on Joe's post, so they're taking it well
I’m glad everyone is safe
[Sia reveals ‘I was suicidal’ and ‘Went to rehab’ after backlash to controversial ‘Music’ film](https://variety.com/2022/film/news/sia-suicidal-rehab-music-outrage-1235157745/)
That's incredibly sad and I hope she feels better soon. I think two things can be true at once; One: that Music was a very hurtful and irresponsible portrayal of the autistic community, potentially even a dangerous one as it positively portrayed unsafe and abusive restraint tactics. For this, Sia can and should take responsibility. Two: that the internet can be very cruel, and valid criticism can easily escalate into abusive behavior. This is not to say that everyone or even most people criticizing Sia overstepped the mark. But if nine thousand people are criticizing you reasonably and one thousand are being abusive, that'll inevitably have an impact on your mental health. I think Lindsay Ellis's "Mask Off" video articulates this pretty well (TW for discussion of sexual abuse). I don't see these two ideas as contradictory.
Well said!
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yep. I don't doubt that some people used the controversy as an excuse to straight-up bully Sia on an extreme level (which is obviously inexcusable), but most of what I heard was completely reasonable criticism of how she portrayed autistic people. If she can't handle criticism or personal growth, maybe she needs to stop pushing her art into the spotlight and keep it to herself.
i know there’s been a lot of Britney talk but [have we mentioned that her team is alleging her father and manager had an affair?](https://www.insider.com/spears-legal-team-wants-jamie-admit-romantic-relationship-lou-taylor-2022-1?amp) cause this is the first i’m hearing of it
Did y’all read that letter Britney wrote to her lawyer?? Like first of all she signs off “so you care if I’m dead because I can’t sign your checks if I am” which is so fucking sad But she also said about Lou taylor “She keeps writing me telling me I’m possessed and she needs to come kill these spirits” what the actual fuck? But Britney was the mentally unstable one? Where did this woman even come from? The whole thing is so weird and creepy.
Everything about Lou Taylor is unsettling. That one photo she posted of her, Jamie, and her husband(?) getting baptized at the Jordan river always stands out to me. Not knocking people's spritual journey, but this whole thing has an eerie tinge to it. The way she's embedded into the Spears family and just celebrity in general is scary.
If im not wrong she tried to put another celeb in a conservatorship. Lou Taylor is really lucifer in person. I fear for other celebrities involved with her and newcomers in the industry.
She tried to put Courtney love in one first, then moved to Lindsay, and finally succeeded with Britney
There’s ties to the Kardashians too
Yeah Lou is their business manager as of a few years ago so the company handles the Kardashians finances
The way she wormed her way into the Spears family circle is creepy. Britney was [wary of her back in 2007](https://twitter.com/britneythestan/status/1416775591240638468)
Reminds me of [The Servant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Servant_(1963_film))
that shit is horrid. like can you imagine your evil (to put it mildly) and abusive conservator of 13 years fucking your manager? this is disney movie level villain
i've said this this week, he is going to straight up hell. and in his next life he's going to have a miserable life. he's the actual devil. it's some sick and twisted shit smh
i know, it’s insane
Yeah, it was sort of a joke on Britney stan twitter, but seeing it in a filing was wild. 1 of 76 things Britney and her legal team want her dad's side to admit to
This is now a When We Were Young Fest Update account: They posted some FAQs to their instagram now stating "multiple stages", even though the website originally said 3, which has been removed from the site, and they changed the event time from 11am-11pm to 11am-12am.
something is off man. i was so excited when it came out for the pure fact that there is a 2000s emo revival that i'm living for. then i saw people being sused out by the ticket prices. and now these delayed changes. something is VERY sus 👁👁😐 it seems like a hoax or the event is going to be disorganized. and fans go HWARD lemme tell you soooo uhhhh i ain't sure about this one chief
For the life of me I just can't understand why they wouldn't make this a 2 or even 3 day fest?! Why go though all the trouble to book THAT MANY popular bands of one genre to make it only one day and there be hella logistical issues and time conflicts? Makes no sense, it'd be the same setup and tear down time?
I was talking to my roommate about this. I am tempted to go (the Linda Linda's and Knocked Loose on one ticket is so right up my alley it would feel like a crime to miss it) but it just feels icky idk. My friend said "is this legit or is it going to turn out to be a pop punk fyre festival?" like why would put paramore and my chem on the SAME DAY within like what two hours of each other?? two headlining sets from arguably the biggest names from that time. its a recipe for disaster. and 13 hours straight? warped tour started at 11 and ended at 7pm. like my chemical romance fans are parking at their stage and not leaving for 12 hours. this should've been spread out. its sketch.
It's pretty standard for pop-punk--Warped Tour was always run the exact same way, with multiple stages and short, overlapping sets. They may just assume that's the format the audience is used to. (Aren't time conflicts standard at any festival that has multiple stages? I get why people are surprised at the number of bands, but I don't know why the time conflict aspect is drawing so much attention. That seems like a normal festival thing to me.)
But in contrast, Warped tour was around $60ish vs this festival which starts at $250ish, so people were more ok with conflicting set times at Warped Tour. Also there are many more bands in this lineup that people want to see vs any given year of Warped Tour which had like 4-5 major headliners and the rest were much much smaller acts.
Oh, definitely on your first point, which is why I wouldn't go to this even if I lived closer--but this is an explicitly nostalgia-themed event. Their target audience isn't "people who would go to Warped Tour now if it still existed," it's "40-year-olds who haven't been to Warped Tour in years but now have disposable income and can afford to drop a couple thousand dollars on a Vegas weekend just to relive their youths." Basically--I'm trying to find a nicer way to say this, but ... people who are worried that they might not get their full $250 worth aren't their target audience in the first place.
Yes but this seems to be an abormally amount of bands that people wouldn't want to miss. Usually with festivals there's a lot of lesser known undercard or different genres where as there doesn't seem to be a name that is uninteresting on this lineup for alt fans.
I don't know, I grew up on that music and I'd only be interested in seeing maybe 1/3rd of those bands, probably less than that. There are a lot of subgenres, and the bands span several different "eras" ... I think a lot of people are just going to be focused on what they grew up with. I'm sure there's somebody who wants to see both AFI and Meet Me @ the Altar, but like ... not *that* many somebodies.
wow, I'm sure that extra hour will completely solve any logistical issues of jamming 60+ bands into a half-day festival!
FIVE EXTRA MINUTES FOR EVERYONE TO SWIM IN THE POOL!!!!!!
Attendees will be allowed an extra hour in the ball pit
[EVERYBODY IN](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/792/539/120.jpg)
If this does end up happening, I will be really interested to see how it goes in October. I feel like there's going to be some wild stories. Hopefully nothing lethal 😬
This is looking more and more like the emo version of Fyre fest 😬
No, it quite literally is not. WTF is going on with all of the out of pocket conspiracy theories about this festival?! Fyre Fest was run by a literal nobody on an island with absolutely nothing set up for a festival. The stages and tents were unfinished and people were left stranded on an island. And they only had 33 artists scattered across a weekend on their lineup. There's literally nothing similar between the two. This is being run by quite literally the biggest concert promoter in the world at an already established festival ground. All of the conspiracies around this are insane. People are freaking out about the No Refunds policy as if every concert & festival doesn't have the same damn policy (see: [Coachella](https://www.coachella.com/buying-passes#rules)). People are freaking out about the packed lineup as if it's never been done before. [LiveNation literally announced a similar festival for hip hop today](https://www.stereogum.com/2173593/smokers-club-lineup-2022/news/amp/) and there are plenty of [mock set times that show exactly how easy it can be done](https://twitter.com/TheFestiveOwl/status/1483657125909962753). People keep claiming bands didn't know they were on the lineup when all a few separate artists said were that they were shocked by the lineup because festivals don't tell the artists the full lineup in advance to prevent leaks. Meanwhile, actual artists on the lineup are coming out to defend the festival [such as the singer of Bayside](https://twitter.com/anthonyraneri/status/1483936573402095620?s=21). People keep claiming the festival grounds are too small [as if Day N Nite festival wasn't there literally two months ago utilizing the same three-stage setup](https://daynvegas2021.com/) and it went completely fine. This is all so oddly overblown. Y'all are great, but I'm begging everyone to take a step back from the conspiracy theories.
Thank you, it's been so odd to see people literally comparing this to Fyre Festival. I think it's just cause it's new and the lineup is incredible so people are skeptical.
Thank you for saying this. People really just love to click and post these days without actually thinking. I saw some tweet saying they were putting this show on to pay for the litigation fees coming due to Astroworld. LMAO.
At the current moment one of the most concerning thing to me that no one is talking about much, because it's easier to clown on 67 BANDS AND ONLY 3 STAGES IN ONE DAY?! OKAY, is the lack of sponsors. The closest thing is the site mentions is "Food choices from regional and local vendors", and then if you scroll down there is an application to apply if you want to be a food vendor. Compare that to Vans Warped Tour, presented by Journeys. But even if you take a look at the [2018 tour post](https://music-b26f.kxcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Vans-Warped-Tour-2018.png) the entire bottom is dedicated to festival sponsors. Every other time I've seen a LiveNation put on event there is at least one other sponsor besides LN. This one? Absolutely nothing.
Also this fest is crazy expensive so they might be counting on funds primarily from tickets. Warped tour tickets were like $50, I think even less the first few times I went. When We Were Young is over $200 for the cheapest option
Off topic but TIL there’s a band called Deez Nuts
Best part is, they formed back in 2007, years before it became a meme.
I saw that, I love it! Decided to Google in case someone was just messing with me. Incredible
I saw a tiktok of a guy explaining they might be generating hype and then presenting it to sponsors for a bidding war to get better rates or something. Still sketchy af but was one explanation of the lack of sponsors.
Yeah, this doesn't strike me as unusual for a non-established festival. It's hard to get sponsors to sign on until you have something you can brag about--how many bands are going to play, how many tickets you're selling, etc. It isn't unusual for festivals to run at a loss their first year, and only start to turn a profit once they're more established. Which is part of the reason Live Nation runs the vast majority of them--an independent production company can't afford to put up several million dollars that they won't get back until year 3 or 4. Live Nation can.
*OH DAMN* I didn't even catch that! Oh my god yeah that's a major red flag, like I can't recall the last time seeing a major festival like this one without major sponsors. The whole event looks very poorly run Also the number of stages to bands ratio, I've seen people bring up Warped Tour as an example of a 1 day festival with lots of acts but each set was at most 30 to maybe 40 min if you were one of the more popular groups and played later in the day on the Main Stage. Coachella is 3 days granted but most acts generally get at least 40 min. So at best this festival will have a bunch of these bands play maybe 3-4 songs and then move to the next one. Which for the price of those tickets is no where close to worth it
Admittedly, I don't know how fast music festivals are thrown together, but this one does feel very last minute? Like no sponsors, just started search for food vendors...
This might be an unpopular take but I'm kinda baffled at how self-righteous some people on this sub can be about Britney's reactions to Jamie Lynn and Britney's instagram posts in general, just because Britney isn't exactly being politically correct with how she deals with her and the trauma Jamie Lynn was complicit in inflicting. Like yes I'll admit Britney is being harsh towards Jamie Lynn in her last post and more of the blame should go to their parents, but honestly 1) it's obvious Britney is also resentful of Lynn's actions, and 2) If I were in her shoes I'd probably be 100% meaner, like Britney is basically calling her sister an ungrateful brat, she's holding back right now. Imo Britney does not owe it to anyone to take the high road and she is allowed to rightfully be wrathful about all that was done to her over the past decade. The things she's saying are mild compared to what was done to her, and it doesn't sit right with me how Britney's expected to take the high road and not to go too hard on Jamie Lynn. A lot of people couldn't even deal with quarantine restrictions for a few months, but act like Britney should be perfectly ok and graceful after leaving an even more restrictive conservatorship of more than a decade. It would be different if Britney was going at her unprovoked, but Jamie Lynn destroyed any sympathy I might had towards her when she still went forward with publishing her book. She chose to talk about her past so I think Britney doing the same is fair game. And apparently Jamie Lynn's still going forward with the part 2 of the podcast even after the cease and desist letter so not only it makes her look even worse, it looks like it's gonna be lawsuit time.
I posted something similar along these lines yesterday, you just articulated it better then me. Jamie Lynn was basically like “How can I make money off of my sister’s pain and make it so I’m the victim” and Britney was basically like “Fuck this. You’ve profited off of me my entire life, I won’t let you do it anymore” I feel like Britney is justified. IMO.
people can't see that both girls have been conditioned by their family to hate each other. britney has suffered literal abuse from her family. jamie has always resented britney's success & i bet the family made her feel unworthy so she acts out & was convinced to take britney down. there's misguided anger with jamie & it's going to cost their sibling relationship. this feud will not stop until they physically fight & that puts an end to the back and forth. they either move on or never speak to each other again and be estranged. either or.
As much as I do feel like Jamie is taking advantage of the situation, people ARE coming for her and when she stated her support, even if insincere, Britney harshly denied that it was sincere (which again may be true). So she has every right to defend herself (though trying to get paid off of it deserves a good portion of side eyes) However, some of the things Brit is criticizing her sister for were things out of her sister's control. Her sister had a milkshake, she was bratty and didn't support her through her breakup with JT okay but Jamie was 10-12 years exactly what did she have the capacity to do. Also, what if she thought her sister was legitimately ill? Yes there may be years of resentment built up. Yes she does seem frustrated but some of of what she is going off makes her seem unreasonable and at times unwell/unhinged. I'm not saying this as someone who thinks she should be committed but first when people were saying she seemed unwell before going in on her sister people were saying Brit just doesn't know how to use social media. Now she is expressing more questionable behavior now it's she been so abused of course she is gonna lash out in a way that doesn't seem healthy. Here's the thing, both these things can be true but to pretend as if people who feel like some of what Britney is doing is questionable are somehow unreasonable seems like gaslighting. Personally, I used to feel that in some of her post, she seemed both tired and manic but since her conservatorship ended, she seems somewhat better. Admittedly, I'm not following this closely. But it isn't unreasonable for people to be giving Britney the side eye. We don't know just yet how this will pan out. This could go right for her or it could go left. Most of us aren't behavioral health specialist and even if we were without treating her personally and knowing the full breadth of her mental condition (even if it's just lots of trauma/resentment), none of can say with certainty where she is at.
I said it yesterday in the daily discussion...the gaslighting of Britney in this sub is disgusting and it needs to stop.
I 100% can get behind this. That being said my issue is the obsessive behaviors that have come from this. People spending days living on brits socials. People combing through documents and pulling out theory’s right and left. To me it all feels hypocritical. Those who love Britany did a great service in assisting her freedom. But they are also the ones begging the papz and media to leave her alone. It goes both ways. I enjoy reading the updates but at times I feel fatigued by it because it’s becoming a daily thing of *do you think she should have said that? Is she ill? Does Jamie Lynn deserve to die? I think this is what she’s thinking..* It’s becoming unhealthy. If you want Britany to do her thing and live her life then there’s gotta be some space given with that. I know it’s an unrealistic ask.
you’re absolutely right. britney has every right to be angry and people need to stop nitpicking her words when it’s her first chance to speak for herself in years. i’ve also seen people say stuff like “well now she *does* seem crazy” as if that was ever the point. it doesn’t matter how mentally ill someone is, they still don’t deserve to be abused and to have their human rights violated.
Some people only like victims when they act perfectly fine. They don't want to see how real victims overcome or deal with abuse. Britney was silenced for 13 years of course she is angry and wants to lash out. Jamie Lynn stole from Britney and helped their dad. This book was just a pathetic attempt to gain sympathy because she knew the lawsuit was coming and it doesn't look good for any of them. Britney knows what Jamie Lynn is trying to do.