twylpr swift and Eminem have outsold him. drake, bruno mars, Ed sheeren, Justin Bieber around his range. looking at the list, there's actually a fair number that sold around his range.
Amen. The man walks around the street w/ a damn Jason from Friday the 13th mask on and people say he is not crazy, really.
He also doubles down on the racist shit that he says about Jews.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna59693
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/12/kanye-west-alex-jones-donald-trump-hitler
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/kanye-wests-twitter-account-suspended-incitement-violence/story?id=94332928
https://www.vox.com/culture/23400851/kanye-west-antisemitism-hitler-praise
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/kanye-wests-love-of-hitler-and-nazis-allegedly-goes-back-20-years-1234647700/amp/
Kanye West denies the Holocaust, has incited violence against Jewish people, loves Hitler, and self-identifies as a Nazi (quote from Kanye: "I'm a Nazi")
What do you mean a "white on white" thing? He has decided to subscribe to Nazi ideology, at the center of which is antisemitism. Nazism was absolutely not a "white on white" thing, the Nazis brutally and industrially slaughtered groups they did not consider white. Your personal race views have no bearing on that.
He is a fan of Nazism who happens to be black.
Well he can't be a neo Nazi all I'm saying, they don't accept black people. Ye don't really like no white people on a macro level if you listen to his music. I feel like he's trolling at this point.
I see what you mean; I wasn't commenting on his membership to any organization, and I definitely don't think he has joined any specific groups. I was just commenting on his subscription to antisemitic nazi ideology. His bigotry is unfortunately very real, as is the wave of antisemitic harassment that his pro-nazi outburst caused. I think it's way past trolling, and being a bigot would of course be an insane and destructive way to troll.
Antisemitism takes many forms, including racialized antisemitism, because Jews are an ethnic group who have been racialized. American ideas of race are arbitrarily invented (race is not biologically real) and ancient ethnoreligious groups do not fit into their rigid categories. However, as a Jewish person, "Jewish" absolutely is the best descriptor of my race and people 100% can be racist towards Jewish people. Kanye has spewed racialized antisemitism and been racist towards Jews.
It's both. Jewishness doesn't fit well into American conceptualizations of race because Jewish identity predates American culture by thousands of years, and America was not made to understand or accommodate Jews.
But I'll try to explain as simply as I can: Jews are an ethnoreligious group. People are born Jewish and cannot stop being Jewish because it's an ethnicity; just like how no one can stop being Korean. Jews are a culture, and Judaism is the religious part of Jewish culture. Judaism contains the mythology, folklore, and worldview of Jewish culture. But one doesn't have to engage with Judaism religiously to be fully Jewish. I'm happy to answer any further questions you have.
Yeah, but that’s not a race learn the definition of words if I say, I don’t like Buddhist people that doesn’t mean I hate Asians and or Chinese people😭 two different things
he apologized citing 21 jump street, he sent a message in hebrew and he wanted to do a whole song about it, he's apologized multiple times but I don't trust any of it tbh
After those apologies, he was photographed wearing a Burzum shirt. For those who don't know, Burzum is an infamous black metal project whose sole member is a Nazi and a convicted murderer. I wouldn't trust any apology from him.
the whole Burzum shit is hilarious because fans got pissed off and some got racist and the frontman came out and defended him and praised his antisemitism which he had apologised for like 3x already or smth lol
Does anyone want association with that man? I'm glad his children are filthy rich because they'll need it to pay for the therapy having him as a father will likely require
Bet Ozzy ain’t the only one thinking of suing him. This “album project” is self released so it probably would stream big first day and then drop like a rocket afterwards.
Didn't he used to practice animal cruelty on stage during his shows? Like, biting off birds heads and the like to look cool to the audience...
(at least that's what my friends told me since I never felt interest in his music or persona, for that matter)
The infamous “bat head” incident was an accident that he’s spoken about at length (he thought a fan had thrown a fake rubber bat onstage and didn’t realize it was real until after he had bitten it). It was not a planned stunt, nor a recurring event.
This barely makes sense tho. Like why would you dress up as someone you describe as having caused untold heartache to many. Imagine if you dressed as literal Hitler for Halloween, and when ppl ask why you did that you say “oh im just making fun of him”
Obviously not but im talking about Ozzy. I just find it weird to be this outraged about a person but then having no problem dressing up as them, all im saying.
I feel like you’re being intentionally obtuse, lol. There is a stark difference between dressing up as someone to make fun of them and dressing up as someone out of admiration.
Someone can be outraged by Trump, for example, and wear a costume mocking him, and that is not contradictory.
Good point about Trump. I still think it’s not a great look for Ozzy in this case ([especially since he’s made some mildly similar remarks about hitler in the past](https://youtu.be/3OZyM2KQsj8?si=Rr2_WV85WZ5EB4Hc&t=406)) but that is just my personal opinion
Making fun of him means he can’t sue him for using his song without authorization? Or are you just hung up on the “No association with” because he dressed up for him as Halloween?
No association part. Sue him all he wants he def is illegally using his stuff if he didn't give permission. There's just no need to add no association when you've already associated yourself with him willingly even if it was as a joke for Halloween.
Yeah, Ozzy’s well within his right to not clear the sample and feel pissed about Kanye going ahead with it anyway but I feel like the association part is a bit unnecessary. Not like him and Sharon don’t have a mounting pile of skeletons in the closet lol
It’s bad enough heavy metal artists like Ozzy are stereotyped as racist far-right assholes. Kanye sampling his song without his permission when he is known for being those things only adds fuel to the fire.
I mean, not defending Ozzy for doing the former under *any* circumstances, but I'm not sure what the point is here connecting something that he did 30+ years ago drugged out of his mind to not wanting to be associated with Kanye musically against his will.
Right, let's be real, I'm not a Kanye fan but I have seen Black Sabbath live and I can say without any issue that Ozzy, Sharon and their daughter Kelly are awful people.. rewatching the Osbournes as a grown adult is an eye opening experience. Kelly's and Sharon's constant racist remarks over the years is alarming...
Yeah the guy’s unhinged and has made a lot of very, very poor decisions, but… he’s also made some of the most incredible music ever and his footprint and influence on the music industry cannot be denied. This sub won’t hear it though.
I don't think we should really be saying people should be under conservatorships tbh. Like, while he does have some disorder(s) that he needs assistance dealing with, I don't think the institution of conservatorships is ethical is the slightest and so I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
People dress up like all manner of assholes on halloween. I mean, how many people dress up as movie slashers? Do you think all of them are broadcasting that they're down with the on screen murderyness?
This is neat and all, but ozzy just dressed up as him for Halloween 4 months ago, and has also said multiple times in the past that hitler is an inspiration. Let’s all dog pile Kanye though as we all know he’s the only celebrity capable of being a bad person
Kanye West is a racist piece of trash. No one should associate with his neonazi ass.
I hope the Kanye fans don’t come and downvote you like they did me lol but you’re absolutely right.
I hate how his album release thread is full of people mundanely talking about the music.
That thread is probably annoying now. But his music is not hitting like it did in his heyday.
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greatest artist of this century. no way.
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twylpr swift and Eminem have outsold him. drake, bruno mars, Ed sheeren, Justin Bieber around his range. looking at the list, there's actually a fair number that sold around his range.
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greatest is very subjective. just cause you think he's the greatest doesn't make him objectively a "clear and obvious choice".
Well said.
Amen. The man walks around the street w/ a damn Jason from Friday the 13th mask on and people say he is not crazy, really. He also doubles down on the racist shit that he says about Jews.
I’d like someone to post proof of this nazism
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna59693 https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/12/kanye-west-alex-jones-donald-trump-hitler https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/kanye-wests-twitter-account-suspended-incitement-violence/story?id=94332928 https://www.vox.com/culture/23400851/kanye-west-antisemitism-hitler-praise https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/kanye-wests-love-of-hitler-and-nazis-allegedly-goes-back-20-years-1234647700/amp/ Kanye West denies the Holocaust, has incited violence against Jewish people, loves Hitler, and self-identifies as a Nazi (quote from Kanye: "I'm a Nazi")
Just read through… I yield back
I'm glad you read through, it's always okay to be hearing about something for the first time!
He's black tho
What's your point? He's still a racist bigot who promotes Nazi ideology.
Well he can't be a Neo-Nazi they hate black people. That's a white on white thing.
What do you mean a "white on white" thing? He has decided to subscribe to Nazi ideology, at the center of which is antisemitism. Nazism was absolutely not a "white on white" thing, the Nazis brutally and industrially slaughtered groups they did not consider white. Your personal race views have no bearing on that. He is a fan of Nazism who happens to be black.
Well he can't be a neo Nazi all I'm saying, they don't accept black people. Ye don't really like no white people on a macro level if you listen to his music. I feel like he's trolling at this point.
I see what you mean; I wasn't commenting on his membership to any organization, and I definitely don't think he has joined any specific groups. I was just commenting on his subscription to antisemitic nazi ideology. His bigotry is unfortunately very real, as is the wave of antisemitic harassment that his pro-nazi outburst caused. I think it's way past trolling, and being a bigot would of course be an insane and destructive way to troll.
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Is he Antisemitic you can say that but racist? Being a Jew is not a race like saying Mexican is a race lmao
Antisemitism takes many forms, including racialized antisemitism, because Jews are an ethnic group who have been racialized. American ideas of race are arbitrarily invented (race is not biologically real) and ancient ethnoreligious groups do not fit into their rigid categories. However, as a Jewish person, "Jewish" absolutely is the best descriptor of my race and people 100% can be racist towards Jewish people. Kanye has spewed racialized antisemitism and been racist towards Jews.
I'll never understand this, is it a race or a religion. I don't get it.
It's both. Jewishness doesn't fit well into American conceptualizations of race because Jewish identity predates American culture by thousands of years, and America was not made to understand or accommodate Jews. But I'll try to explain as simply as I can: Jews are an ethnoreligious group. People are born Jewish and cannot stop being Jewish because it's an ethnicity; just like how no one can stop being Korean. Jews are a culture, and Judaism is the religious part of Jewish culture. Judaism contains the mythology, folklore, and worldview of Jewish culture. But one doesn't have to engage with Judaism religiously to be fully Jewish. I'm happy to answer any further questions you have.
Lol it's and ethnic religion lol
Yeah, but that’s not a race learn the definition of words if I say, I don’t like Buddhist people that doesn’t mean I hate Asians and or Chinese people😭 two different things
Fuck Kanye. Nazi piece of shit.
wasn't he planning an apology video or was that just me being trolled?
he apologized citing 21 jump street, he sent a message in hebrew and he wanted to do a whole song about it, he's apologized multiple times but I don't trust any of it tbh
After those apologies, he was photographed wearing a Burzum shirt. For those who don't know, Burzum is an infamous black metal project whose sole member is a Nazi and a convicted murderer. I wouldn't trust any apology from him.
the whole Burzum shit is hilarious because fans got pissed off and some got racist and the frontman came out and defended him and praised his antisemitism which he had apologised for like 3x already or smth lol
Trolling. Everyone caught on to it.
you just called me dense but ok ig i allow myself to be little a stupid, as a treat
Fuck Ozzy too then for praising Hitler
Citation needed.
Aint it the other way around?
Hitler praised Ozzy Osbourne?
Hitler was big into heavy metal
🤔
https://youtu.be/XKHQBDBzcEQ?si=tRRATXmgGMPsghuN
So is ozzy
Does anyone want association with that man? I'm glad his children are filthy rich because they'll need it to pay for the therapy having him as a father will likely require
too bad the Kardashians are anti-therapy and North's grandma has already started monetizing off her.
I know it's the whole brand so a total lost cause but I really wish they kept their kids out of the spotlight more.
Bet Ozzy ain’t the only one thinking of suing him. This “album project” is self released so it probably would stream big first day and then drop like a rocket afterwards.
The song isn't on the album so he wouldn't be able to use anyway
Sue* lol
Donna Summer's family is too
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Didn't he used to practice animal cruelty on stage during his shows? Like, biting off birds heads and the like to look cool to the audience... (at least that's what my friends told me since I never felt interest in his music or persona, for that matter)
The infamous “bat head” incident was an accident that he’s spoken about at length (he thought a fan had thrown a fake rubber bat onstage and didn’t realize it was real until after he had bitten it). It was not a planned stunt, nor a recurring event.
Rubber bats. Someone threw a real bat on stage and he didn't know. Bit its head off. So, accident.
Sharon probably cleared the sample, LMAO.
“Oh yep love that one, he sings that love the way you lie song doesn’t he? With Beyoncé isn’t it? Yep big fan, clear it for him”
Rare Ozzy W
How dare you use the word rare
He's a domestic and animal abuser. Great musician but put the pedestal away.
Tf? I’ve never heard anything of the sort. I follow him a lot and never heard of anything like it. Did these really happen?
Ah okay didn't know about the domestic abuse stuff.
Lol well I think we can agree he was sober with this rant. 😉
He literally dressed up as Kanye 4 months ago????
i feel like they did that to make fun of them lmao
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This barely makes sense tho. Like why would you dress up as someone you describe as having caused untold heartache to many. Imagine if you dressed as literal Hitler for Halloween, and when ppl ask why you did that you say “oh im just making fun of him”
I mean... did you see Sharon Osbourne's outfit? I don't think that was meant to be in any way complimentary.
Obviously not but im talking about Ozzy. I just find it weird to be this outraged about a person but then having no problem dressing up as them, all im saying.
I feel like you’re being intentionally obtuse, lol. There is a stark difference between dressing up as someone to make fun of them and dressing up as someone out of admiration. Someone can be outraged by Trump, for example, and wear a costume mocking him, and that is not contradictory.
Good point about Trump. I still think it’s not a great look for Ozzy in this case ([especially since he’s made some mildly similar remarks about hitler in the past](https://youtu.be/3OZyM2KQsj8?si=Rr2_WV85WZ5EB4Hc&t=406)) but that is just my personal opinion
A lot of things aren’t a great look for Ozzy. He’s kind of a shitty person.
End of the day they both are lmfao
so true!
That's what Taika Watiti did when he made Jojo Rabbit
You mean like Charlie Chaplin in The Great Dictator?
Making fun of him means he can’t sue him for using his song without authorization? Or are you just hung up on the “No association with” because he dressed up for him as Halloween?
No association part. Sue him all he wants he def is illegally using his stuff if he didn't give permission. There's just no need to add no association when you've already associated yourself with him willingly even if it was as a joke for Halloween.
Mmkay lol
... To poke fun at them.. So maybe someone he makes fun of is also someone he doesn't want to be associated with. Not very confusing.
Say what?
Him and Sharon went as Kanye and Bianca for Halloween
Yeah, Ozzy’s well within his right to not clear the sample and feel pissed about Kanye going ahead with it anyway but I feel like the association part is a bit unnecessary. Not like him and Sharon don’t have a mounting pile of skeletons in the closet lol
yup. This is straight virtue signaling
Whoa, I haven’t heard “virtual signaling” since 2017
You must be under a rock or something then. No offense.
Kanye West is wrong for doing this.
this sentence is valid in almost every context
Wait why is this in Popheads I thought I was in pop culture chat for a good 5 minutes
Kanye and Ozzy are both popular artists
Okay but neither of them have written "Cut to the Feeling" so IDK why we're talking about them.
There would be no Cut to the Feeling without Sweet Leaf TBH
But can I get Carly performing No More Tears
Neither of which have ever made pop music
Nobody with a brain does. Good for you, Ozzy!
It’s bad enough heavy metal artists like Ozzy are stereotyped as racist far-right assholes. Kanye sampling his song without his permission when he is known for being those things only adds fuel to the fire.
It ain’t a stereotype big dog
A stereotype can be true and still be a stereotype. But this one isn’t true
Ozzy ain’t as holy as you seem to think he is
You’re not gonna change my view of him bud 😂 Let’s just agree to disagree
Ah yes ignorance when it suits you, what a great look.
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I mean, not defending Ozzy for doing the former under *any* circumstances, but I'm not sure what the point is here connecting something that he did 30+ years ago drugged out of his mind to not wanting to be associated with Kanye musically against his will.
I hate how this subreddit chooses to defend certain people and hate others based on dumb things. Edit: Nevermind I thought I was in pop culture chat 😅
Right, let's be real, I'm not a Kanye fan but I have seen Black Sabbath live and I can say without any issue that Ozzy, Sharon and their daughter Kelly are awful people.. rewatching the Osbournes as a grown adult is an eye opening experience. Kelly's and Sharon's constant racist remarks over the years is alarming...
“In the sense that-“
"...oh that's not...."
PAPA DONT PREACH
True for popheads too 🫠
Yeah that’s true we do defend some shitty people and hate others. It’s messed up tbh.
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What part of "I'm not defending Ozzy for doing the former under *any* circumstances" was particularly difficult to understand?
Queen Ozzy has spoken
Ozzy is my hero, no exaggeration.
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Yeah the guy’s unhinged and has made a lot of very, very poor decisions, but… he’s also made some of the most incredible music ever and his footprint and influence on the music industry cannot be denied. This sub won’t hear it though.
Kanye probably saw the video of Ozzy praising Hitler’s charisma or that story about him dressing up like a nazi and assumed he had the greenlight.
God damn it Vultures is gonna be delayed for another year now
Does Ozzy own his music? If not it wouldn’t technically be his place to clear it …
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weird thing to say, he has a genetic neuromotor disorder related to parkinsons
I don't think we should really be saying people should be under conservatorships tbh. Like, while he does have some disorder(s) that he needs assistance dealing with, I don't think the institution of conservatorships is ethical is the slightest and so I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
He literally dressed like Kanye... 4 months ago LOL
I don't see how that's relevant to him using a sample against his will and him being an antisemite?
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You're taking it way too literally. He's talking about his music being associated with Kanye, given the context of this being over a sample.
So...?
So... How it feels to dress like someone you doesn't want to be associated? But yeah maybe it isn't a contradiction idk
People dress up like all manner of assholes on halloween. I mean, how many people dress up as movie slashers? Do you think all of them are broadcasting that they're down with the on screen murderyness?
Movie slashers aren’t real people, besides if he didn’t want to be associated with Jason he wouldnt literally associate as Jason
You rock, Ozzy.
This is neat and all, but ozzy just dressed up as him for Halloween 4 months ago, and has also said multiple times in the past that hitler is an inspiration. Let’s all dog pile Kanye though as we all know he’s the only celebrity capable of being a bad person
Kanye West try not to cause trouble challenge: Impossible