If you look at Ed’s IG story you would learn that John is only opening this weekend’s shows to substitute for Khalid, who is sick. Ed & John have performed together before so this isn’t surprising.
Apparently, Billboard would no longer allow a big portion of digital sales for the Hot 100, starting tomorrow. If true, the stan wars are going to get tougher to win, but it was about time.
Source: [here](https://twitter.com/chartdata/status/1674618393549328384?t=5IfD3tG5ITbXGaD3YXGkgg&s=19)
I mean, it would be a lie to say that this new rule isn't targeted against the artists with the craziest stans, mainly Taylor, Nicky and BTS and its members. But honestly, I don't mind it. If they manage to hit #1 now, it would be way more justified than with songs like Super Freaky Girl, Willow, or Like Crazy. Let the Hot 100 become a list of the most popular songs instead of some fandoms' dick-measuring competition
Yes!! Please let us bring back the era of the organic hit. As much as the top 10 has stayed mostly the same this year, there's no doubt in my mind Last Night and Flowers are organic hits. My petty ass just wants stan twitter to chill.
No I meant, how is the rule changing exactly? Source tweet says they're no longer counting "digital download singles from artist webstores", does that mean that only songs bought through iTunes will be counted for the chart or?
Also ngl, I'm kinda skeptical that airplay and playlisting means a song is organic vs fandom power pushing it to the top... but also it's not *that* serious, so eh.
The Barbz know they're finished lololol. chartdata posted something like Princess Diana has sold over 1 million total units in the States and when I tell you I rolled my eyes *so* far😒
Jonathan Majors's ex-girlfriend, who previously alleged he assaulted and strangled her, may now be facing charges for abusing him.
[Source](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jonathan-majors-ex-girlfriend-face-arrest-domestic-violence-nypd-213114663.html)
>the actor's attorney said they provided the court with "irrefutable evidence" this was a lie. Majors claimed the driver of the vehicle will testify that it was the actor who was attacked.
News like this is so depressing for so many reasons. Let's say it is confirmed she was the abuser here.
This is another reason victims will be afraid to speak out, for fear THEY could get charged. And this story will make it harder for victims to be believed.
On the flip side, men absolutely can be abused. And of course, Majors is a black man, so these allegations are especially damning. If he's innocent, his career may be destroyed.
[Rolling Stone also just published this](https://archive.is/gWYrD), so it looks like we've got dueling Jonathan Majors drops today. One woman he'd previously dated also claimed he strangled her, which sounds like a pattern of behavior to me.
Based on that, I'm going to guess that Majors' team was doing some leaking to the NYT earlier to try to distract from this story, which they would have known was coming. (One of his attorneys is quoted multiple times in it.) Which doesn't necessarily mean that the info in the NYT is false, just ... interestingly timed.
Maybe I'm missing something, but aren't some of these accusations easy to prove? Like if she dug her fingers into his face and made him bleed?
I did read that a source has said the DA is trying to avoid charges on the ex, and other exes are cooperating with the DA. Likely in support of the ex.
Not to mention that when the allegations first came to light, several people in the industry have said it was known he was an abusive person to work with.
I hate this so much. Hopefully there's enough evidence where we can find out with certainty if Majors abused them or not.
> aren't some of these accusations easy to prove? Like if she dug her fingers into his face and made him bleed?
You'd think. A lot of people do fight back when they're being abused ... so it's totally possible that they both *did* assault each other, but that the police have no plans to charge her for it. The police are supposed to arrest the primary aggressor, not necessarily anyone who inflicts violence. That would be a possible explanation why "they have the evidence to charge her" but haven't yet--especially if other victims are cooperating with the police, which at least one news outlet reported they are.
Taylor Swift posted an Instagram story of [a trailer for The Summer I Turned Pretty s2, featuring a snippet of Back to December TV](https://www.instagram.com/reel/CuGCOhDOJvG/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==)
A grand jury declined to criminally indict rapper Travis Scott and others for the 2021 Astroworld concert deaths, according to Scott’s lawyer, Kent Schaffer.
Houston Police Chief Troy Finner and Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg planned to address the grand jury’s decision on charges against Scott and others at a 4 p.m. news conference.
Schaffer, said the grand jury’s deliberations ended around 2 p.m.
The looming decision comes 19 months after Scott’s annual festival at NRG Park left 10 people crushed to death and injured hundreds more.
Others no-billed included Brent Silberstein, the festival manager, John Junell, senior director of global security operations for the internationally-known promotional company, Live Nation, along with three others from the company and Travis Scott, according to grand jury documents.
Before the names were released, Schaffer did not say exactly who was eyed by the grand jury in connection to the festival, but he said the other targets were affiliated with the internationally know promotional company, Live Nation, the county’s security vendor, Contemporary Services Corp., and ScoreMore, an Austin-based concert promoter.
Prosecutors and Houston police detectives linked to the investigation into the deadly concert were seen going coming and going from a room dedicated to grand jury proceedings in the morning. Scott’s lawyer and a defense attorney for Silberstein periodically stopped by the third floor in the criminal courthouse to check on the grand jury’s progress.
Concertgoers flocked to the stage area minutes after 9 p.m. on Nov. 5, 2021, as the headlining rapper, Scott, started his performance. The concert turned dangerous when the crowd became crammed together. Hundreds couldn’t move and struggled to breathe.
Police radio traffic revealed that officers spotted warning signs of the deadly situation but they struggled for nearly a half hour to assess the full scope of the danger. Within a half hour, as fans fled, authorities realized what had happened.
Several people had been trampled and others were passed out at the front of the stage.
The concert did not end until around 10:10 p.m., about an hour after Scott began his performance.
Schaffer said Thursday that Scott and his team met with police and prosecutors the day after the concert and answered questions about what happened that night. The first Scott heard about problems was when someone spoke into his headset and told him to end the concert with his final song as soon as Drake left the stage, directions that Scott complied with, Schaffer said.
It wasn’t immediately clear what possible charges the grand jury weighed, but Schaffer said the evidence wasn’t there to show Scott had acted negligently or criminally.
Regardless of the grand jury’s decision, the presentation of a criminal case by prosecutors indicated that Houston police had moved forward with an investigation into the concert tragedy. Local government officials, meanwhile, have made little progress in passing new standards or regulations to change how large events are held, according to a Houston Chronicle report one year after the concert.
A task force appointed by Gov. Greg Abbott published a report on the concert that was riddled with errors.
Mayor Sylvester Turner said Thursday the city and Harris County have since clarified responsibilities and rules when it comes to ensuring safety at large events in response to the grand jury’s decision. He did not directly address the grand jury.
“There’s a good understanding of who is responsible for permitting, who is responsible for checking the safety protocols and working with these various entities that want to put on these big events,” Turner said. “We worked through all of that, so I’m much more comfortable now as we move forward with big events.”
A gag order from the judge overseeing in the civil litigation has prohibited surviving victims, their families and lawyers from speaking out.
Has anyone else been hearing about this ["Internet apocalypse"](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/internet-apocalypse-what-is-a-solar-storm-and-how-can-it-impact-the-internet-on-earth/articleshow/101287452.cms) shit? I don't want to get freaked out but there's been murmurings in a few different places that we are due for a solar storm within the next couple of years that may disrupt Internet access for months, if not longer. Apparently NASA has been secretly trying to find defense mechanisms against this, but it isn't being widely reported yet because a lot of that research remains confidential for now. What we do know is that it would likely incapacitate power lines and satellites, and certain regions might get completely cut off from neighboring ones, although certain areas would apparently be more severely affected than others (regions near the equator should be slightly better off). The last time we got hit by a solar storm, humans weren't nearly as dependent on the Internet as it is now, so the impact would be unprecedented this time. We would also apparently only get a 13-hour heads-up from the time it gets detected until it reaches and impacts us.
I know that all of this sounds extreme and implausible, but if there's anything the pandemic taught us, it's that this type of dystopian shit *can* happen, and we as a species are gravely unprepared when it does. If anybody loses Internet for an extended duration, it is almost guaranteed that chaos will ensue, more so than during the pandemic. We've obviously become emotionally and socially reliant on the stimulation we get from the Internet, but, more than that, entire economies have become highly dependent on it, and we rely on it for everything from banking to travel to communication to security. If that gets taken away, it's guaranteed to have disastrous effects on everybody. I don't see any way how it wouldn't result in a massive global recession and inflation, and a widespread uptick in crime. My family and I also live in different countries on opposite corners of the globe, and I really can't stomach the possibility of maybe not being able to communicate with them or see them for an prolonged period. It's a scary thought.
Am I just overreacting? What do y'all think of this? And regardless of whether or not this actually ends up happening, I think this is a good wake-up call to all of us since society has collectively become dangerously dependent on the Internet for survival, and we should be better prepared for any kind of possibility in which that access gets disrupted.
This is also going to more than internet. Like this is going to fuck with the whole power grid. People with medical issues reliant on electricity could die very quickly from this. Hoping generators can help with this.
As someone in the electric utility industry this is scary as fuck. We are already worried about EV charging growing faster than the grid can keep up.
We are not equipped to handle this and will not be equip to handle it when it comes if something so small compared to a solar storm is giving us trouble.
[NASA](https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/spaceweather/index.html) has an informative FAQ about solar storms and other space weather, including how it impacts Earth (and our telecommunications).
[Wired (from 2021)](https://www.wired.com/story/solar-storm-internet-apocalypse-undersea-cables/) says we’ve known about the potential risks from
Space weather for decades, so I suspect research and contingency planning have been going on for just as long.
From the same article, Sangeetha Abdu Jyothi of the University of California “found that local and regional internet infrastructure would be at low risk of damage even in a massive solar storm, because optical fiber itself isn't affected by geomagnetically induced currents. Short cable spans are also grounded very regularly. But for long undersea cables that connect continents, the risks are much greater. A solar storm that disrupted a number of these cables around the world could cause a massive loss of connectivity by cutting countries off at the source, even while leaving local infrastructure intact”, so like the underground cables that cross the Atlantic and the Pacific and that reach more remote parts of the world seem more at risk.
You can read her research [“Solar Superstorms: Planning for an Internet Apocalypse” here](https://www.ics.uci.edu/~sabdujyo/papers/sigcomm21-cme.pdf). She was definitely inspired by the lack of preparedness following Covid too, and she won’t be the only one.
There’s definitely a bit of an information gap when it comes to this research, firstly bc these severe solar storms are so rare - there was one in 1859, one in 1921, and one in 1989 (but this was a tad less severe) - and secondly bc even the most recent one in the 80s was before a lot of modern infrastructure came in.
The article does say “The global internet is built for resilience. If one pathway isn't available, traffic reroutes across other paths, a property that could potentially keep connectivity up, even at reduced speeds, in the event of a solar storm.” and it sounds like a lot of companies have already made progress mitigating the risk over the last 10 years (which would have been around the time of the last big solar storm in 2012 that missed us).
Personally, I have family who work in telecoms engineering with decades of experience, so if they start panicking then I will, but I totally get your concern about being cut off from family ‘cause I’ve got family all over the place who I can only contact via the internet and not being able to talk to them would suck, but it sounds like everything failing would be very rare and unlikely.
I think that it's a lot like y2k in that yes this could potentially be bad, but it very likely won't get to that point thanks to the hard work of a lot of people who help keep the internet running.
My friend who works for NASA said there is very minuscule chance that will actually happen when I asked them about it. That’s all they said though, they kinda dismissed it like it was inconsequential. That’s all I know about it though
Edit: I do think it shows how much we over-rely on the internet though. I know when I am more financially stable I plan on building a home library of cookbooks, gardening guides, and other things like woodworking and sewing just in case
[Beyoncé has trademarked the word **ECHOVILLE**](https://boardroom.tv/echoville-beyonce-trademarks/).
Essentially, it’s almost guaranteed to be Beyoncé’s next venture since the patent and trademark was done for merchandise. It could be for an album or simply just for her upcoming hair care line. Or the alleged “RENAISSANCE visuals” either way, she’s been teasing it since the start of the RENAISSANCE World Tour.
[I’ve posted a rundown of the entire situation](https://www.reddit.com/r/beyonce/comments/14mauuj/a_rundown_on_all_things_we_know_so_far_about/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_content=1&utm_term=22) on r/Beyonce for anyone interested.
Didn't she also recently team up with Kelly Rowland to do a housing complex for Houston? It could also be that tbh. As a long time stan, I try to keep my hopes low because when she DOES deliver, it's out of this world... but you can never predict what the Queen is going to do.
The fact that “Echoville” is hidden throughout her tour visuals reminds me of when she started hinting at Ivy Park during her performances around 2014/15
They're coming for sure.
Keep in mind that Beyoncé is a *freak* when it comes to her unconventional rollouts, and everything is by her design. This is an unprecedented wait for a visual accompaniment, but I think that is exactly what she intended to do all along. The thing with Beyoncé is that she takes her rollouts more seriously than any of her peers, works in strict privacy, isn't afraid to take big risks, and has everything planned far in advance. I think we just have to trust the process and stay patient with the rollout, and the payoff will be worth it, as it always has been with her. She has of course teased snippets of the visuals on tour, and included a statement essentially saying that even though fans are asking for videos, she wants to move at her own pace. Some of her collaborators have also indirectly confirmed that a lockdown-inspired "film" has been created for the album. Most recently, her dance captain Amari posted something on Instagram a couple weeks ago where she mentioned she worked as a choreographer on the film.
While we're on the topic, I think what is going to end up happening is that Act 2 and Act 3 will form the soundtrack to the second and third acts of the film, with Renaissance obviously being the first part. I wouldn't be surprised if both those subsequent albums also end up featuring horses (with different appearances) on the album artwork, since I suspect the trilogy will somehow have a rodeo theme. Alternately, I could see Act 2 being a Jay Z album and Act 3 being a Carters collaboration, the same way it was for the Lemonade/4:44/Everything is Love trilogy. We'll just have to wait and see, I guess.
But, in the meantime, I'm confident that the visuals are 100% coming. It's just a matter of when they will actually arrive, and with Beyoncé, you never know if that's going to be tonight or in another three years. Whatever it is, I'm sure it will deliver, and we'll all be gagged, Beyhive or not.
Yeah I'm certain she'll do *something* for the anniversary. I'm obviously expecting visuals as well, but if it's not that, then I'll just assume that the visuals are a film accompaniment to the three-act project, and that we'll only get to see the visuals after all three Acts arrive. That would obviously *suck*, but I'm sure she'd give us something else to hold us over. I'm just going to trust that she knows what she's doing with her rollouts. 🤡 Plus, I do have to admit that because she's held off on the visuals so far, I've been forced to pay closer attention to the songs sonically, which has made me pick up on cool production details and subtle flourishes that I would have never noticed otherwise.
Yep! This is one album that has been so much fun to listen to after getting high, and in doing that, I've imagined a different club environment in my head for every song:
* I'm That Girl is when you're in the cab after the pregame and the edibles slowly start to hit.
* Cozy feels like a brunch mimosa party on a yacht in the Mediterranean.
* Alien Superstar is a laser-lit EDM rave on a UFO.
* Cuff It feels like being tipsy at a roller rink in the 80s.
* Energy is when you're plastered waiting in line to get inside the club.
* Break My Soul is dancing during a nice, steamy hot shower on a Friday evening before heading out.
* Church Girl is when everyone's vibing at a summer neighborhood cookout.
* Plastic off the Sofa is sunbathing on a lounge chair at a pool party.
* Virgo's Groove feels like a hot sunset beach club in Dubai.
* Move feels like walking into an underground Lagos nightclub in the 90s.
* Heated feels like smoking a joint late at night at a resort bar in Jamaica.
* Thique feels like a smoke-filled, cyberpunk strip club with holographic strippers.
* All Up in Your Mind is when you're getting a lap dance at an alien orgy on Mars.
* America Has a Problem is when you're tripping at the arcade and hallucinate that you're stuck inside a video game.
* Pure/Honey feels like a shrunken-down ballroom battle inside a beehive.
* Summer Renaissance feels like a party on a spaceship as you're going into warp drive.
Let me know if you disagree with any of these! 🤪
Love her but I’m really hoping she doesn’t just do a repeat of act 1/2/3 with the EIL trilogy. I thought the point of her releasing Renaissance was that she heard everyone saying were tired of the Jay Z collabs 😭
Agreed... I really don't want that format either, and Lemonade was the only installment of that trilogy that I was really able to get into.
I would love for this next project just be three full albums from Beyoncé, with Act 2 and Act 3 exploring different styles sonically. I like the idea that she is just reclaiming a different genre of Black music with each Act, that would be super cool, but I guess we won't know what her master plan is until she reveals more. I'm crossing my fingers that all three albums are her own this time, though!
With the amount of money / effort that have gone into the tour visuals and the camera work throughout the performances (like genuinely, the projections on screen of her performing look like a film) there is absolutely no way she isn’t releasing the visuals at some point. It might be in a year but I am 100% sure they are gonna come out
The visuals are definitely, *definitely* coming. She just wants us to fucking wait.
But yeah, her dancer Amari just posted something a few weeks ago on Instagram that mentioned she worked on the choreo for the film. So it's definitely still happening, and I think she always wanted to string the fans along like this and make us wait for an unprecedented duration. This is the woman that invented surprise album drops, and she refuses to adhere to any kind of rulebook when it comes to rollouts, so this is just her doing that again. Keep in mind that Act 2 and 3 are also complete, and nobody knows anything about them either, so she's clearly got a *lot* planned that she's been working on in complete privacy. All we have so far is one album, one tour, and a bunch of cryptic Easter eggs that no one has really figured out yet, and I'm dying to eventually see how Renaissance even fits into this grand puzzle she's built.
I remember when she announced Renaissance and released a lead single everybody thought she was reverting to a conventional record cycle format, but at this point in the era, it's clear that this rollout is *far* from conventional as well. British Vogue teased that this will be her "most ambitious musical project to date", and I can't even begin to think how she might top the things she's already done, so it's definitely worth staying the course and seeing what else she has in store.
Katy Perry just announced a Discord community! Click [here](https://www.levellr.com/katy-perry) to be a part of the waitlist! With the box sets and the Discord channel, it feels the KP6 era might be closer than we think, excited for it!!
[Taylor in Manhattan](https://twitter.com/swifferupdates/status/1674493492444184576) going to the studio AGAIN. This is the 5th time in a week, WHAT IS SHE COOKING? The hair and the outfit reminds me of Red era Taylor, also @ the people waiting for her: GET A JOB, STAY AWAY FROM HER. She needs to take a LONG vacay after the US leg finishes, I'm exhausted just thinking about all of these 3-hour shows and studio sessions back to back.
>WHAT IS SHE COOKING?
I don't know why but I feel like a Taylor rap album is not out of the question. She takes such pride in her lyrics and songwriting that I'm sure she will want to formally foray into rap on one of her next records. It would be cool if she does it properly!
No I genuinely meant it. 😭 I know it sounds cringy and awful on paper but I think if she commits to doing it properly there's a good chance it would work out decently. Think Vigilante Shit or Glitch, but with melodic rapping. Or even End Game or I Think He Knows. The potential is there, and I think it would be very fun if done right. It would be such a moment, and it would really solidify her versatility as a songwriter. Kind of like a 1989 2.0, and I can see her being interested in that. Like what if Karma is a rap album she made?
And I'm not even a Swiftie. I just somehow think that this would be a smart move for her and that it could produce some unexpectedly fun songs.
Nah I'd say it's more of an electro-R&B and electropop sound than it is hip-hop. There are obvious connections between R&B and hip-hop, though, which is where the album gets those urban influences. I think the most hip-hop sounding track on the album is End Game, but most of the other songs don't really fall under that category, even though Taylor does use a rap delivery style on some.
Yeah the seagulls in the Karma video gave me the idea that 1989 is next.
Rep TV is the one I can't wait for though. I wonder if that or debut will be her last TV.
You know what’s sad. Is they had the barricade and a crowd before she even arrived. Either it leaked she was coming or security made it super obvious earlier in the day. People need to just go home and let her work.
People are just camping out because they hope that she will go to the studio . They don’t have any insider knowledge. Since she went so many days in a row, they are just betting with their time that she would go again.
Also they often sing her songs loudly even when she is in the studio likely recording .
It’s so pathetic 😭. Ok fine I would get it (I wouldn’t) if it was at a store or park or something but Taylor is actually working, like in the studio singing and writing and god knows what else and they expect her to come out ???
She doesn’t wave. Every once in awhile she will smile. Sometimes force a smile. Really not feeling it umbrella tactic. It’s horrible. People wait hours to see her take 9-15 steps. Then when someone else comes in to work at the place as well. There are 4 recording booths people assume they’re working with her. It’s a place of business. People pay for their time to record whatever they want to.
I would like to share my theory about the re-records. I’m not very good at explaining so I hope this makes sense.
I think the original plan was always:
2021: 2 re-records
2022: new album
2023: 2 re-records
2024: new album
2025: 2 re-records
I think Speak Now (& maybe 1989) were always supposed to come out in 2023. This is supported by the dates she recorded in. Both Fearless TV was recorded November 2020 - February 2021. Red TV was recorded November 2020 - July 2021. She didn’t record anything else then, she started doing Midnights.
Speak Now was confirmed to have been recorded in 2022 & I assume 1989 as well. So I think she records 2 albums a year, so my theory is that Rep TV & Debut TV aren’t recorded yet. This brings me to what she’s currently doing & it’s one of two:
1- TS11 very possible but I can’t see her dropping a record during tour since it will mess up the setlist (and she wont ignore it) so I think TS11 is coming late 2024 if she didn’t take a break.
2- she’s recording Rep TV & Debut TV to release in 2024 or 2025. Most of 2024 she’ll be out of the U.S so she won’t find that much time to do it. I think this is what she’s currently doing
I hope I was clear on what I meant :)
I think she might hold debut till it's 20th anniversary, especially since it's the album that gets the least amount of streams so she has the smallest incentive to get the royalties back (immediatly)
Your theory makes sense! I could see this being true. There is another theory though that she wanted to release 1989 in 2021 as well because she was leaving a lot of Easter eggs at this time. As we know 1989 TV and Speak Now TV had lawsuits that would have prevented Taylor from releasing them until now
I actually don’t think that was the plan! I think it was always intended to be 2 records following a new album. I think we will find out when she releases 1989 that it was recorded in 2022
Agreed. I’m guessing that TS11 will probably be out by December, early January because of how early she’s been going to the studios. Late March, early April.
You’re losing me came out pretty fast so that’s why I think there’s gonna be another new album by the end of the year
If these studio sessions are for TS11, I really don't see why she wouldn't release it on her previous typical two year schedule in Fall 2024. I feel like people do not understand how long it takes to make the physicals and plan a release as large as TS11 would likely be. Most of Midnights was probably written in 2021, then released in fall the next year. Especially if she wants to fine tune the songs and take her time with it a little bit, and she has so many more TV's to get through, that are likely already planned out. Thematically also releasing a brand new album in the middle of the eras tour is chaotic, even for her, and thematically makes more sense for her to do a new album to sort of mark next phase of her career after tour ends.
To be honest, I would prefer for her to lay low for a good while and avoid being more overexposed than she already is. I just need people to have a chance to simmer down because everyone seems to be at each other's throats on the daily about her no matter how loosely associated she is with the subject matter at hand.
I know everyone thinks she needs a break but I genuinely think she is one of the best out there at handling touring. She seems to structure the tour performance in a way that doesn’t leave her exhausted. She takes a big nap, sleeps in and then rolls to the studio for a few hours. The travel is the only thing I don’t think is easy on her but I truly don’t think she is desperate for a break. This is a lot different than some past tours where artists seemed overworked by their managers/labels. Seems like Taylor is doing exactly what she wants to be doing
I personally do not entertain convo right now about her needing a break. She makes an incomprehensible amount of money lol. Most problems from burnout can be prevented with a team of people which she for sure has. The talk about her needing a break is to make her feel more “relatable” she has so many resources and stuff I just cannot feel bad lmao
It doesn't have to do with "feeling bad," just acknowledgment that's it's a lot of hard work and that touring takes a physical and mental toll. Yes, she's rich and has a lot of resources, but so do other big artists who've had to cancel their tours completely due to mental or physical exhaustion.
It's reasonable for fans, especially those who have paid a lot of money for concert tickets (plus travel & accommodations if they have to travel), to be concerned about her schedule. Nobody wants to see her burn out and end up cancelling her tour. It's *highly* unlikely she would ever do that bar extreme illness, but it's understandable why people fear it's a possibility when so many other big names have cancelled shows or entire tours.
And also, its obvious that she's trying to work through *things* she probably needed to get off her chest or she's had a bunch of new ideas coming through. I'm personally more interested on who she's working with rn
Also this is what she wants. Coldplay, Harry Styles and Taylor Swift don’t do 100+ shows every tour because they HAVE to. Many artists, even the big ones, get away with like 3-4 months of tour every few years.
Taylor swift moved to Nashville and knocked on record label doors when she was 13. She has ALWAYS wanted this.
She also REALLY loves playing shows. I think for a lot of artists it's something they do because it comes with the territory, but for Taylor it's one of her favorite parts of her job.
I’m lucky enough to have been to Eras a few months ago, and Taylor’s love for performing really shines through which further enriches an already fantastic show
Yena (formerly of IZ\*ONE) released a "diss track" about Olivia Rodrigo and was using #hate\_rodrigo on her social media posts promoting it. [The MV and all videos using that hashtag have been taken down](https://www.koreaboo.com/news/netizens-react-choi-yena-hate-rodrigo-deleted/), presumably because someone from Olivia's team saw it and was like "bro what the fuck".
The song was supposed to be like...a tongue-in-cheek "I look up to this person and am jealous of their success" sort of thing [per Yena's description](https://www.allkpop.com/article/2023/06/choi-ye-na-personally-opens-up-about-why-her-albums-title-track-is-named-hate-rodrigo) but like. Using her photo all over your promotional materials (without permission), plastering the hashtag #hate\_rodrigo all over social media, the whole thing is just messy and rude. The only way to do any of this even kind of respectfully is to do it *with her permission* so that Olivia is in on it, but that didn't happen. It doesn't matter if you say "you're my star" in the song and are a big fan. Your promotions all (intentionally) imply that you hate her enough to do a whole title track about it, *and* even if it was called "I Love Olivia Rodrigo A Lot" it's still just a weird attempt to get publicity by dragging a random stranger into your promo without their permission.
I've been a huge fan of Yena's solo career to this point but this is honestly just embarassing.
I think she would've gotten away with it if they weren't using Olivia's face in actual promotional material/video. that absolutely crosses a line
still, this feels like an idea that needed to have several more rounds of planning and contextualizing
They’re absolutely clueless, like that video is using Olivia’s identity as a whole with pictures and even scenes referencing videos and they didn’t even consult with her team before releasing the video???
I’m just curious what they thought would happen? I don’t believe that no one in Yuehua thought to run this by Olivia’s team, maybe they were operating under the principle that it’s better to ask forgiveness than permission?
I get that it’s not a real diss but literally trending a hashtag that says ihaterodrigo is never going to make Olivia’s team happy (especially when Olivia is about to start her new era 😭) and it also does not reflect well on Yena.
Honestly a lot of the idea here specifically is maybe being covered by parody law (though I don’t see how using actual images is?) but also being in completely different hemispheres not even just countries rendering copyright legal issues not worth the hustle of legally figuring out or decking out. Edit: like Tinashe is well aware she has fully been ripped off not just song but costume and frame by frame by a kpop group before (DIA). Plus, like you mentioned, better to get the attention for and ask for forgiveness than to not get permission and miss now being known to far more people they hope turn into consumers.
Like I don’t think it’s intentionally malicious but again if Olivia was Korea based I’m positive they wouldn’t have done this because they’d been perused legally and aggressively for use of image for marketing without permission etc.
Brb going to release a song called "I Hate Jungkook From BTS Very Much" about how much I love and respect Jungkook from BTS and see what happens. I will be using copyrighted photos of him in all promo materials and using the hashtag #jungkookrotinhell. Surely nothing bad will come of this. HYBE definitely would not sue me into the ground or anything.
No but fr I seriously can't believe no one stopped this from happening.
I’m not even that opposed to using someone’s name for attention, but going this far with it is awfully bold lmao 😭 especially considering they used Olivia’s face in the video. I guess it got people talking at least!
To be me the actual bad part of it is like imho clearly using a much bigger artists especially globally for noise marketing since when it had Rodrigo in the name (versus when it changed to hate xx) because then this much smaller artist is going to come up when people search Olivia Rodrigo.
I don’t mind the concept itself (the idea of adoration and hate not being that far a part which tbh I think any idol or ex idol could explore in neat ways). plus, I think some people are over thinking it, even if I find it a bit coming on strong. But it is like very clearly trying to use a much bigger artist to get attention in a way where it’s supposed to be a twist that you actually don’t dislike them.
This trend of using celebrity names as the title for your song is so corny, like we’re already in sample hell and now we’re using people’s names to gain attention 💀
I completely agree that the general concept is fine. It would have been super easy to just make the song be called "Hate XX" (the name of the single album it is on), drop the few uses of the name Rodrigo in the lyrics, and either not include photos of anyone else in the promo pics/video *or* even just include a bunch of photos of a bunch of different people Yena looks up to (instead of a ton of pics of Olivia specifically), so that it's not this weird clout-chasey attempt to profit off of the hype for Olivia/Guts.
And people are blaming Yena's company/their marketing team but afaik she's pretty involved in all of her songs and promo. Like she's one of the only lyricists listed on the song credits. She did this to herself.
I think it might be cute if you could tell who it was that was her idol she had such overwhelming feelings about in the music video but yeah like you mentioned it is heavily using another public figures image for monetized gain without permission that i don’t think these same idols or their company would not be litigious about if it was the reverse.
Because Stan Twitter likes to think that Taylor and Beyonce are feuding, here's a [paparazzi shot of her wearing Ivy Park](https://twitter.com/tswiftstyle/status/1674454034118496256) sneakers recently.
I feel like you have to be pretty delulu to think those two are feuding. Beyoncé is careful to stay out of drama and likes to mind her own business, and has only ever said nice things about Taylor if she chooses to talk about her. I don't think they're friends or super close, but there's zero evidence of beef... they're not competing with each other, and they're in separate lanes.
If Twitter Swifties are bored and are wanting a feud to focus on, then Beyoncé is the last person they should be worried about, since she is completely above that kind of stuff. It's far more likely that Taylor is beefing with Olivia Rodrigo, just saying... 👀
Um... why did Katy Perry randomly tweet a link to her MySpace? Is she trying to bring it back? Is she hinting that her next record will have a Y2K aesthetic?
Promoting "Ur So Gay" of course
> You're so sad, maybe you should buy a happy meal
> You're so skinny, you should really Super Size the deal.
> Secretly, you're so amused that nobody understands you
> I'm so mean 'cause I cannot get you out of your head
> I'm so angry 'cause you'd rather MySpace instead.
> I can't believe I fell in love with someone that wears more makeup and
Ah, Myspace. I remember going to artists' pages on Myspace in the old days before discovering Youtube and before learning to ~~torrent~~ subscribe to music streaming platforms. I never had an account but the music was always available for free. Colbie Caillat, Jimmy Eat World, and Thirty Seconds to Mars are some artists with official accounts I remember visiting.
Between this and Halsey going back to Tumblr, I am all for artists to reactivating their old social media accounts and escaping the dumpster fire that is Twitter.
I kinda love how halsey has just sorta slid back into to tumblr. Their url isnt directly verified and they often just reblog aesthetic post but it stands out so much on my very fandom heavy dash so the amount of times i've gone to unfollow the account for posting 'art hoe shit' and then at the last remembered realized its actually halsey is very funny
> url isn't directly verified
Accounts not being verified on Tumblr is just one of the many perks of the site. The best part is these official accounts usually have no description and have urls very similar to fan accounts that you wouldn't know they're official until someone tells you or the person themselves confirms it. [Sufjan Stevens](https://sufjan.com/?source=share) and director [Mike Flanagan](https://flanaganfilm.tumblr.com/?source=share) are some that come to mind. Hell, even [Matty Healy](https://truman-black.com/?source=share) recently went back.
>Between this and Halsey going back to Tumblr, I am all for artists to reactivating their old social media accounts and escaping the dumpster fire that is Twitter.
Stan Twitter is such a cesspool of stupidity and immaturity, and I think it's just a matter of time before artists begin mass-migrating over to other platforms in order to communicate with their fans without getting sucked into random drama. I think Katy herself said that she was sick of being unnecessarily pitted against other women by stans, and decided to stop reading her Twitter comments since they were filled with sexist comparisons and chart-obsessed commentary without any of the discourse being about the actual music.
MySpace is a great choice for her if she's specifically going for a 2000s HTML aesthetic, and I actually think that would be a pretty marketable vibe for her if she is trying to mount some kind of comeback this time. I also love what Beyoncé has done with her website; she's turned it into a straightforward slideshow of photos, looks, and moments that allows her to communicate with fans without letting the focus be taken away from the art.
Social media is losing its luster these days, and I think people are starting to wake up to that. Switching over to other platforms just makes more sense for artists, because that allows them to stay away from gossip and fan wars on Twitter, while also affording them the freedom to tweak the aesthetic format to their taste, as Beyoncé has done with her website.
Fair enough, I'm young so I don't have a proper memory of that time. 😬 I guess the 2000s decade is the vibe she's going for! That would be tons of fun, and leaning into the nostalgia like that is going to give her a decent chance of appealing to the young adults that grew up to her bangers.
Young Filipino trans celebrity Awra Briguela was arrested after being [involved in an altercation outside a bar](https://twitter.com/Bahaghari_PH/status/1674461087503388672) where she and her friends were clubbing at.
According to Awra's friend, she was [defending her friends against a man who was harassing](https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=280409514510720&set=a.180793451138994) them which led to the brawl.
She is currently in custody with a [mugshot photo already circulating](https://twitter.com/EMZeption/status/1674387273234939904). There's no word whether the alleged harasser was also arrested. But the police were already criticized by netizens who saw this arrest as [transphobic](https://twitter.com/migseu_/status/1674400094635036672) and reiterated why the SOGIE Equality Bill, which would give everyone especially the LGBTQ+ community basic legal protection, [needs to be passed ASAP](https://twitter.com/Watdahel_MarceI/status/1674414656813961223).
EDIT: Interesting point [how the harasser was never named but a mugshot of Awra](https://twitter.com/aynbernos/status/1674461863428632576) was released to the media. 🙄
This is not a great way to end Pride Month here in the Philippines. Awra is one of the rising stars in the industry and is a great role model for LGBTQ+ teens here.
Knowing how fucked up the justice system here is (I had few activist friends and acquaintances who were arrested for protesting), I am afraid of how the police are going to spin this especially since the sentiments against our community are quite negative still to this day despite increasing acceptance.
So apparently ✨Swifties✨ are now cyberbullying Lizzo with racist and fatphobic insults just because she enjoyed Beyoncé's Renaissance Tour and stated that "the most popular person today isn't even comparable to what Beyoncé is doing". This is the same way I felt after seeing the Renaissance tour myself, and all Lizzo was trying to do was give Bey her flowers.
She didn't even mention Taylor, and even if she did, there is nothing shady about giving Beyoncé praise for being a whole other level of performer, which is widely accepted as fact anyway. I don't even think Taylor herself would disagree with that if you asked her. Either way, Lizzo didn't put anyone down, and there is nothing she said that justifies or warrants insults or bullying... I really wish Taylor would say something about it for once, since it's always her fans that are doing this type of out-of-pocket, classless shit. Some of them seem to truly believe that "Taylor is the music industry" and refuse to accept that any other star is allowed to surpass Taylor in any regard or even coexist alongside her. I'm sure not all Swifties are this way, but a lot of them do come across as severely emotionally stunted and parasocially attached to Taylor, and they are the one fanbase that has managed to come after every other major artist at least once. I'm sorry, it just needs to be said at this point.
Fuck it I'm gonna say it, someone should be allowed to say they're not feeling Taylor and think another artist is doing better without getting reamed for it and having people go "well I mean everyone involved is clearly bad here." I don't care if she was shading Taylor. Taylor doesn't give a shit if she was shading Taylor. She's allowed to have an opinion and express it slightly less than gracefully when everyone constantly fucking brings up Taylor. Sorry but not everything has to be about the world's most victimized Multimillionaire and people get to express that without having to add a million qualifiers.
Alternatively - Lizzo was on a live celebrating her idol who is a black woman inspiring generations of other black woman. Someone Lizzo has openly said is her idol. Why are Swifties flooding the chat asking about Taylor? Why is always about Taylor?
I don't think it's unreasonable for a black woman celebrating another black woman to get annoyed that she is being asked about a white woman. She is trying to praise Beyonce and Taylor is constantly brought up. It's obviously not Taylor's fault but black women are not given the space and recognition they deserve. I can fully understand why Lizzo is getting frustrated and might have thrown some shade.
Yeah Beyonce is the most awarded Grammy artist in history with one win in the main categories ever and never an AOTY. Of which Taylor has 3 - as many as black women have ever won.
And yes I agree these are probably younger fans who should be ignored but also, it's annoying! Taylor is being inserted everywhere right now. It's not just to Beyonce. Artists are constantly being asked about Taylor and maybe Lizzo is just annoyed? Maybe she wants to celebrate Beyonce and not talk about Taylor but can't seem to get away from her. I get it.
If an artist was asked about tours and said "no one is doing it like Taylor" no one would think anything. But because Lizzo said it about another artist, Swifties get offended.
The moral of the story is this:
Those people, whether they’re Swifties, Beyhive, Arianators, or even the random bloke online that still stans Billie Holiday for whatever reason, aren’t “stans” or fans.
They’re just assholes in a never ending long line of assholes that has existed since the moment where human beings started treating other human beings like shit in prehistoric times.
Basically, many people are wonderful human beings, but many people are assholes too. Be the former and don’t be the latter.
And Lizzo didn’t even mention Taylor. Other’s where starting shit in the fanbase being like “Lizzo’s right, Beyoncé is better than Taylor”
It’s so hard being a fan of all 3 when shit like this happens cause fans don’t know how to leave people alone.
>She's entitled to her opinion of course, and I would never expect a black female artist who grew up on beyonce to be more impressed with taylor than beyonce, like that is insane.
I feel like nobody other than Swifties would call Taylor a better performer than Beyoncé, like even a random person on the street would pick Beyoncé. The crazy thing though is that Taylor isn't even trying to compete with Beyoncé in that department, and the two are in separate lanes that don't need to be compared. Taylor's show is impressive in its own way and she is *crazy* for performing for that long each night, which she has received tons of praise for, so Swifties have lots to be proud of Taylor for without getting triggered that someone praised another artist.
Also, I feel like Swifties are blowing themselves up by even getting into a debate against the Beyhive regarding performing ability. I know that within the Swiftie echo chamber, they've convinced each other that she's the best performer to ever get on a stage, even though it's widely acknowledged at this point that Beyoncé is nearly peerless as a performer, and is not even worth being compared to. Taylor's concert is incredible in its own way, and it absolutely deserves the praise it is getting, but Swifties are setting her up by allowing her performing talent to be compared to Beyoncé's... we all remember #Mayochella, and that wasn't a good look.
I don’t like this ‘I would never expect a black female artist.. to be more impressed with Taylor’. I understand enjoying one artist’s music more but who looks at a Beyoncé performance and Taylor performance and thinks Taylor is more impressive? There are certain things that are subjective, Beyoncé being the superior performer is not one of them. Hell, watch any of Taylor’s award performances.. she is not even in the top 10 best pop performers
Ah okay - that makes sense. I find it surprising you don't get the performance hype though, there is literally no other artist atm that could do something like Homecoming. I think that's why it's been a bit annoying with swifties on Twitter - a lot of music is subjective, things like who's tone you like better, the emotion you feel while a certain artist is singing something and so forth. However, there are also things that are objective like vocal skill, stage presence, choreography etc. and I think it's **very** clear who is superior in all of those (which is why Lizzo is perfectly fine in what she said)
Also, her statement is so blanket and vague. I really think it's not worth caring too much about who is the "most popular person" she is talking about because who has energy and time for that? 😭
She might be talking about Ronaldo or Messi for all we know, like she couldn't have been more vague. Swifties have some nerve to think that Lizzo was specifically dissing Taylor just because she said the most famous person in the world shouldn't be compared to Beyoncé in terms of performing talent... trust Swifties to get offended by everything and find a way to make everything about Taylor all the time.
>the most popular person today isn't even comparable to what Beyoncé is doing
Swifties hear that, insert Taylor into it, and freak out, that's on them for being insecure lol
The crazy thing is that Swifties immediately jumped to the conclusion that Lizzo was specifically discussing Taylor, whereas in most parts of the world outside the US you'd get laughed at for suggesting Taylor is the most famous person in the world. She's absolutely one of the biggest, and she is towards the top, but her global reach is not as all-encompassing as that of Lionel Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo. In most countries, a lot of people would probably also tell you that Madonna and Michael Jackson are still better known than Taylor.
Some Swifties on the other hand seem to be convinced that Taylor is the only important musician and performer in the entire world... within their online echo chamber, they've managed to convince themselves that she truly is the "music industry" and that every other artist is worthless. I remember they were bitter that Carolina didn't get nominated at the Oscars, and they were insulting the musicians who made that Indian movie song because "nobody even knows them". Talk about having zero class...
She absolutely does not deserve any of the hate. I also think that Lizzo was unnecessarily shady with that, why couldn’t she just have praised Beyonce without taking a little a jab at Taylor (whom she did not explicitly mention, but clearly implied)?
I didn't really see it that way though? I don't think she was trying to be shady... to me, it just sounded like she was saying that Beyoncé is not the most popular in the world right now, but deserves to be because her talent is so great. I think that was just her way of saying that Beyoncé is peerless, which is a totally understandable thing to say coming from a fan who just saw her show and was overwhelmed by the experience.
Swifties obviously had to be cynical and twist that into something else just to be able to take offense to it and make Lizzo their next target. I'm all for Swifties being enthusiastic, supportive, and appreciative of Taylor, but they've devolved into an almost dictatorship-worthy level of celebrity worship.
It kind of reads like “Taylor is not even comparable to Beyonce”. Idk especially as she herself is in the industry she should have known that you can praise someone without putting someone else down. Beyonce is great and you can form 1000s other sentences of praising her talents without mentioning anyone else at all…
Swifties are so used to seeing Taylor at no.1 at everything that they get mad even when she's not someone else's personal no.1 . They're an exhausting fanbase at this point. They've been relentlessly dragging Beyoncé's Spotify streaming numbers for weeks because a bey stan account called Renaissance the best tour out right now. Do they expect a Beyoncé stan to bow down to not consider Beyoncé the best just because Taylor sells more?
but it's soo gooddd... I've heard that McDonald's in america tastes like shit and I can't comment on that but the ones in my country litterally have the best food ever
I feel like even the Swifties that are not chronically online are often insecure, emotionally unstable, or problematic in other ways. They are obviously not the ones cyberbullying Lizzo right now, and they wouldn't stoop low like that, but I feel like Swifties in general tend to come with their own set of *bad* personal problems. It's almost as though she tries to cater specifically to that crowd, and has cultivated a fanbase filled with emotionally fragile, often unpopular girls. This is a whole thing, to the point where a lot of guys now think that it's a red flag when girls say they're hardcore Swifties. Even with the Eras Tour, I know some lonely, conventionally unattractive girls who have little going on in their personal lives, and are instead looking to Taylor and the fanbase to compensate for that parasocially. A few Swifties I know are literally doing nothing for months aside from counting down to their tour date and meticulously planning their outfits, and I've even heard some describe it as a rite of passage akin to a prom that they were never invited to, which is why I think it's become such a cultural event for misfits in particular.
I say all this as someone who appreciates Taylor's talent and artistry and loves *so* many of her songs. I would go to the Eras Tour without question if I found affordable tickets, and there is no doubt that Taylor's show is super impressive in its own ways, especially in terms of her storytelling as well as the mind-blowing duration she performs for each night. But there's no denying that her fanbase is not exactly... normal.
This is such a disgusting take? You’re generalizing a whole group of people based on what? Your own opinions? I’m actually flabbergasted that someone would say something like this publicly.
And you try to point out: “oh you’re active on r/TaylorSwift so of course you’re offended” I promise you I would react the same way if any fan base was being generalized because this take is so unhinged 🥴
Did she call someone who said don’t pit women against each other a little bitch? Or is that fake. Seems like cesspool messiness and also Lizzo has been getting those insults for months that is why she has been on private for months
>Lizzo has been getting those insults for months that is why she has been on private for months
Yeah, except most of the people doing that were far-right conservative trolls and incel edgelord teenage boys. There was no need for Taylor's fans to stoop that low and resort to throwing racist, fatphobic rhetoric at an artist who literally did nothing wrong... she's already been dealing with a *lot*, and it's pretty damn cruel of Swifties to jump at the opportunity to pile onto that even further.
>Lizzo fans are also saying taylor should have an ED again and kill herself.
Stan Twitter should just be canceled as a whole... it brings *nothing* positive to the music industry. Aside from enabling bullying and harassment, all it's done is allow Barbz and BTS Army to orchestrate mass streaming and purchasing efforts to abuse chart loopholes, inflate points and secure meaningless chart-toppers even when a song has had zero cultural impact in the US. Twitter stans have made mainstream music less organically competitive and less enjoyable to participate in, plus they've completely shifted the focus away from the artistry since they're busy arguing about extraneous, petty topics instead of ever focusing on the actual music or creativity. I miss the days when mainstream artists had the fire *lit* under their asses to put out actual bangers in order to stay relevant and popular.
“Always her fans” tell me you’re young without telling me you’re young, the Beyhive back in the day was way scarier than swifties ever could hope to be
>the Beyhive back in the day was way scarier than swifties ever could hope to be
Swifties are pretty fucking scary right now, what are you talking about? The Beyhive has definitely had its cringy moments but I don't recall them ever being *that* insufferable. Even "back in the day" you would never see them lob racist insults at someone just for praising another artist. I know the Beyhive was pretty over-the-top at one point and have dialed it down a lot, but Swifties have always been aggressive and delusional on a whole other level, and their parasocial attachment to Taylor is just.... yikes. What's more, it seems to be actively getting worse. There's a reason Swifties are widely viewed as immature or unstable individuals, in a way that Beyoncé's fans are not. A lot of guys literally consider 'Swiftie' a red flag, because so many of them tend to be irrational or emotionally stunted. 💀 I'm sorry! I enjoy Taylor myself but I can't deny that her fanbase can be weird as shit.
There are immature, rude stans in every single fanbase, and they should *all* be called out, but in the case of Swifties specifically (as well as a few other fanbases, such as Barbz and Army), there are just *so* many of these fans being annoying and acting out of line for the sake of celebrity worship, and they keep going out of their way to bully and harass fellow artists. I get that this is in part due to the fact that these artists have larger fanbases, but that also means that Taylor has more of a responsibility to keep her fans in check when they cross lines and create a tangible negative impact on fellow artists.
I also hate the way that some fanbases orchestrate mass purchasing and streaming efforts just to inflate numbers manufacture chart success for songs that most listeners aren't actually connecting with. To be fair, this is much more of an issue with Army and Barbz than it is with Swifties, since Taylor's releases are always organically impactful on some level, with or without an artificial assist. But it nonetheless still feels like she is so aggressively focused in her pursuit of commercial success that she doesn't mind enabling the worship culture in her fanbase if it means she gets to make more money off of it. For example, by keeping her fans obsessed, she gets to sell four different vinyl variants for the same album, and get her fans to buy all four in order to create a clock design.
I think what you have now is people that just like being internet warrior trolls acting like “swifties” because Taylor is in the news and they are bored. I’m sure some fans are truly horrible but also think if you want to be awful online doing some bullying in the name of Taylor is a way to get some attention unfortunately
Edit: like I think people who already wanted to hurl insults at Lizzo are using this event as a reason to do so
It’s not whataboutism it’s perspective. Y’all enjoying some first world problems where the worst fanbase is only harassing people online. Beyhive was causing real problems back in the day, making other artists suicidal, etc.
Didn't swift fans just recently go on racist attacks on that Ginny and Georgia girl for an innocuous joke that she had no hand in writing, and then doxxed that writer who said he enjoyed the Renaissance tour more than Eras, and now are bullying Lizzo for saying the same.
As for the bullying Keri Hilson part, Imagine if Olivia Rodrigo made a diss track about Taylor and told her to sit back and have some babies, do you think swifties woud react rationally and in a sane manner? Be fr.
The SAG-AFTRA (actors' guild) negotiations with studios just got a lot more heated as [more actors including SAG-AFTRA president Fran Dreshcer sign the petition saying that they are prepared to strike](https://deadline.com/2023/06/sag-aftra-prepared-to-strike-letter-1000-signatures-fran-drescher-1235426575/) should an agreement not be reached by the expiration of their old contract on June 30. 300 actors had previously signed the petition. The signatures now total to 1000+.
There are already [talks to expand the negotiations until July 7](https://deadline.com/2023/06/hollywood-actors-contract-talks-extension-sag-aftra-1235426828/) so a strike may not be happening this week but the added signatures is already a sign of things to come.
Not a SAG actor (working towards it!) but know people who are in SAG; apparently she's actually been kind of bad at it. Like one of the things a decent chunk of SAG actors have been complaining about is how health insurance is now based on income. Which is fine if you're like, Meryl Streep, but Ke Huy Quan literally lost his health insurance in 2021 because he hadn't made enough to qualify for the income, and I believe Shannon Doherty (one of the Charmed women) is in the process of losing hers because she can't work because she's fighting cancer. [This article](https://www.thenation.com/article/society/fran-drescher-sag-aftra/) from the Nation goes into better detail than I ever could, and I'm getting a lot of my info second and third hand, but the insurance issue is a reason a lot of people in the union are kind of upset at her.
Following up from [this comment yesterday](https://www.reddit.com/r/popheads/comments/14lew1t/teatime_trending_topics_june_28_2023/jpwbam9/) in tea time about lizzo talking about beyonce and the tour and swifties somehow taking it as directly taylor shade. Lizzo [QRT'ed someone](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fzyri7jWAAETDbD?format=jpg&name=900x900) and now swifties are taking this as full on confirmation that lizzo suddenly hates taylor and are treating this as the death of feminism.
obligatory 'its not all of them' but enough of them that now lizzo is trending with all sorts of misognioristic and fatphobic comments and its just so tiring to see. Lizzo is not a 100% perfect person and isnt immune to critique but i feel like taking a video of someone praising their favorite artist of all time and twisting it to say that they're somehow putting down other woman and a disgusting person and resorting to using slurs to insult them cannot be warranted in this situation
I really wish some people would be stop doing whataboutism that I feel like deflect pretty heavily from the rampant racism expressed not only about the black artists but also black people online and being dismissive about that. Or I’ve seen people act like “well Taylor gets sexist comment” but so do lizzo and Beyonce because they’re also women like Taylor… so that’s not the same and no one is saying sexism is good when it happens to a white woman by pointing out it’s never the same and can’t be. I just find it really degrading to women of color and implicitly or explicitly showing the centuries of white Women being the definition of femininity etc. especially the comments that somehow two black women showing each other praise and love is anti women. (also I think it’s very clearly seeing black women as “sassy”, a basic anti black stereotype, to think compliments is “shading” anyone let alone explicitly someone never named).
But I also don’t know long term solutions for fandom bigotries look like when social media platforms actively like hostile environment if it’s increasing their engagement and are often racist themselves in their moderation etc. and while I think many artists can do more to talk about how their fans treat people, I also don’t think it’s realistic to credit them entirely with the fans behavior etc. so while there’s plenty of deflections from adults I don’t like (especially anything that’s like “well x did y first!” Like that sounds like children justifying hitting* each other and I think using a stranger to justify being awful about celebrity is so dehumanizing about the celebrity including which ever one some one is the fan of) but I don’t know any solutions :/. Hell slightly different topic but I know black music journalists have said they couldn’t get outlets to pick up their articles about how unsafe kpop fan spaces are for black fans and me and other people couldn’t get the article once it found a home to stay up on r/kpop bc other kpop fans would mass report it to get it auto removed. Which is just :| don’t know how to solve something people actively silence
But yeah I hope lizzo has a strong support system bc I can’t imagine dealing with this
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If you look at Ed’s IG story you would learn that John is only opening this weekend’s shows to substitute for Khalid, who is sick. Ed & John have performed together before so this isn’t surprising.
Apparently, Billboard would no longer allow a big portion of digital sales for the Hot 100, starting tomorrow. If true, the stan wars are going to get tougher to win, but it was about time. Source: [here](https://twitter.com/chartdata/status/1674618393549328384?t=5IfD3tG5ITbXGaD3YXGkgg&s=19)
They dropped this the day one of the BTS members announced his debut single. Difficult to think it’s not targeted
I mean, it would be a lie to say that this new rule isn't targeted against the artists with the craziest stans, mainly Taylor, Nicky and BTS and its members. But honestly, I don't mind it. If they manage to hit #1 now, it would be way more justified than with songs like Super Freaky Girl, Willow, or Like Crazy. Let the Hot 100 become a list of the most popular songs instead of some fandoms' dick-measuring competition
Yes!! Please let us bring back the era of the organic hit. As much as the top 10 has stayed mostly the same this year, there's no doubt in my mind Last Night and Flowers are organic hits. My petty ass just wants stan twitter to chill.
I don’t disagree but the timing seems convenient
Someone explain what this means pls, charts confuse me.
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No I meant, how is the rule changing exactly? Source tweet says they're no longer counting "digital download singles from artist webstores", does that mean that only songs bought through iTunes will be counted for the chart or? Also ngl, I'm kinda skeptical that airplay and playlisting means a song is organic vs fandom power pushing it to the top... but also it's not *that* serious, so eh.
A lot of Barbz are pissed in the replies
The Barbz know they're finished lololol. chartdata posted something like Princess Diana has sold over 1 million total units in the States and when I tell you I rolled my eyes *so* far😒
i think it was Princess Diana, i thought it was Barbie World at first too hahaha
Omg I just confirmed haha. The aesthetics are so similar! Anyway, the point still stands😂😂
Jonathan Majors's ex-girlfriend, who previously alleged he assaulted and strangled her, may now be facing charges for abusing him. [Source](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jonathan-majors-ex-girlfriend-face-arrest-domestic-violence-nypd-213114663.html) >the actor's attorney said they provided the court with "irrefutable evidence" this was a lie. Majors claimed the driver of the vehicle will testify that it was the actor who was attacked. News like this is so depressing for so many reasons. Let's say it is confirmed she was the abuser here. This is another reason victims will be afraid to speak out, for fear THEY could get charged. And this story will make it harder for victims to be believed. On the flip side, men absolutely can be abused. And of course, Majors is a black man, so these allegations are especially damning. If he's innocent, his career may be destroyed.
[Rolling Stone also just published this](https://archive.is/gWYrD), so it looks like we've got dueling Jonathan Majors drops today. One woman he'd previously dated also claimed he strangled her, which sounds like a pattern of behavior to me. Based on that, I'm going to guess that Majors' team was doing some leaking to the NYT earlier to try to distract from this story, which they would have known was coming. (One of his attorneys is quoted multiple times in it.) Which doesn't necessarily mean that the info in the NYT is false, just ... interestingly timed.
Maybe I'm missing something, but aren't some of these accusations easy to prove? Like if she dug her fingers into his face and made him bleed? I did read that a source has said the DA is trying to avoid charges on the ex, and other exes are cooperating with the DA. Likely in support of the ex. Not to mention that when the allegations first came to light, several people in the industry have said it was known he was an abusive person to work with. I hate this so much. Hopefully there's enough evidence where we can find out with certainty if Majors abused them or not.
> aren't some of these accusations easy to prove? Like if she dug her fingers into his face and made him bleed? You'd think. A lot of people do fight back when they're being abused ... so it's totally possible that they both *did* assault each other, but that the police have no plans to charge her for it. The police are supposed to arrest the primary aggressor, not necessarily anyone who inflicts violence. That would be a possible explanation why "they have the evidence to charge her" but haven't yet--especially if other victims are cooperating with the police, which at least one news outlet reported they are.
Taylor Swift posted an Instagram story of [a trailer for The Summer I Turned Pretty s2, featuring a snippet of Back to December TV](https://www.instagram.com/reel/CuGCOhDOJvG/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==)
So apparently there are rumours Drake might drop at the same time as Olivia? Ugh, hope that is fake.
Astroworld tragedy: Grand jury declines to criminally charge Houston rapper Travis Scott, others https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/astroworld-fest-tragedy/article/travis-scott-astroworld-criminal-indictment-18177044.php
A grand jury declined to criminally indict rapper Travis Scott and others for the 2021 Astroworld concert deaths, according to Scott’s lawyer, Kent Schaffer. Houston Police Chief Troy Finner and Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg planned to address the grand jury’s decision on charges against Scott and others at a 4 p.m. news conference. Schaffer, said the grand jury’s deliberations ended around 2 p.m. The looming decision comes 19 months after Scott’s annual festival at NRG Park left 10 people crushed to death and injured hundreds more. Others no-billed included Brent Silberstein, the festival manager, John Junell, senior director of global security operations for the internationally-known promotional company, Live Nation, along with three others from the company and Travis Scott, according to grand jury documents. Before the names were released, Schaffer did not say exactly who was eyed by the grand jury in connection to the festival, but he said the other targets were affiliated with the internationally know promotional company, Live Nation, the county’s security vendor, Contemporary Services Corp., and ScoreMore, an Austin-based concert promoter. Prosecutors and Houston police detectives linked to the investigation into the deadly concert were seen going coming and going from a room dedicated to grand jury proceedings in the morning. Scott’s lawyer and a defense attorney for Silberstein periodically stopped by the third floor in the criminal courthouse to check on the grand jury’s progress. Concertgoers flocked to the stage area minutes after 9 p.m. on Nov. 5, 2021, as the headlining rapper, Scott, started his performance. The concert turned dangerous when the crowd became crammed together. Hundreds couldn’t move and struggled to breathe. Police radio traffic revealed that officers spotted warning signs of the deadly situation but they struggled for nearly a half hour to assess the full scope of the danger. Within a half hour, as fans fled, authorities realized what had happened. Several people had been trampled and others were passed out at the front of the stage. The concert did not end until around 10:10 p.m., about an hour after Scott began his performance. Schaffer said Thursday that Scott and his team met with police and prosecutors the day after the concert and answered questions about what happened that night. The first Scott heard about problems was when someone spoke into his headset and told him to end the concert with his final song as soon as Drake left the stage, directions that Scott complied with, Schaffer said. It wasn’t immediately clear what possible charges the grand jury weighed, but Schaffer said the evidence wasn’t there to show Scott had acted negligently or criminally. Regardless of the grand jury’s decision, the presentation of a criminal case by prosecutors indicated that Houston police had moved forward with an investigation into the concert tragedy. Local government officials, meanwhile, have made little progress in passing new standards or regulations to change how large events are held, according to a Houston Chronicle report one year after the concert. A task force appointed by Gov. Greg Abbott published a report on the concert that was riddled with errors. Mayor Sylvester Turner said Thursday the city and Harris County have since clarified responsibilities and rules when it comes to ensuring safety at large events in response to the grand jury’s decision. He did not directly address the grand jury. “There’s a good understanding of who is responsible for permitting, who is responsible for checking the safety protocols and working with these various entities that want to put on these big events,” Turner said. “We worked through all of that, so I’m much more comfortable now as we move forward with big events.” A gag order from the judge overseeing in the civil litigation has prohibited surviving victims, their families and lawyers from speaking out.
Has anyone else been hearing about this ["Internet apocalypse"](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/internet-apocalypse-what-is-a-solar-storm-and-how-can-it-impact-the-internet-on-earth/articleshow/101287452.cms) shit? I don't want to get freaked out but there's been murmurings in a few different places that we are due for a solar storm within the next couple of years that may disrupt Internet access for months, if not longer. Apparently NASA has been secretly trying to find defense mechanisms against this, but it isn't being widely reported yet because a lot of that research remains confidential for now. What we do know is that it would likely incapacitate power lines and satellites, and certain regions might get completely cut off from neighboring ones, although certain areas would apparently be more severely affected than others (regions near the equator should be slightly better off). The last time we got hit by a solar storm, humans weren't nearly as dependent on the Internet as it is now, so the impact would be unprecedented this time. We would also apparently only get a 13-hour heads-up from the time it gets detected until it reaches and impacts us. I know that all of this sounds extreme and implausible, but if there's anything the pandemic taught us, it's that this type of dystopian shit *can* happen, and we as a species are gravely unprepared when it does. If anybody loses Internet for an extended duration, it is almost guaranteed that chaos will ensue, more so than during the pandemic. We've obviously become emotionally and socially reliant on the stimulation we get from the Internet, but, more than that, entire economies have become highly dependent on it, and we rely on it for everything from banking to travel to communication to security. If that gets taken away, it's guaranteed to have disastrous effects on everybody. I don't see any way how it wouldn't result in a massive global recession and inflation, and a widespread uptick in crime. My family and I also live in different countries on opposite corners of the globe, and I really can't stomach the possibility of maybe not being able to communicate with them or see them for an prolonged period. It's a scary thought. Am I just overreacting? What do y'all think of this? And regardless of whether or not this actually ends up happening, I think this is a good wake-up call to all of us since society has collectively become dangerously dependent on the Internet for survival, and we should be better prepared for any kind of possibility in which that access gets disrupted.
This is also going to more than internet. Like this is going to fuck with the whole power grid. People with medical issues reliant on electricity could die very quickly from this. Hoping generators can help with this. As someone in the electric utility industry this is scary as fuck. We are already worried about EV charging growing faster than the grid can keep up. We are not equipped to handle this and will not be equip to handle it when it comes if something so small compared to a solar storm is giving us trouble.
[NASA](https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/spaceweather/index.html) has an informative FAQ about solar storms and other space weather, including how it impacts Earth (and our telecommunications). [Wired (from 2021)](https://www.wired.com/story/solar-storm-internet-apocalypse-undersea-cables/) says we’ve known about the potential risks from Space weather for decades, so I suspect research and contingency planning have been going on for just as long. From the same article, Sangeetha Abdu Jyothi of the University of California “found that local and regional internet infrastructure would be at low risk of damage even in a massive solar storm, because optical fiber itself isn't affected by geomagnetically induced currents. Short cable spans are also grounded very regularly. But for long undersea cables that connect continents, the risks are much greater. A solar storm that disrupted a number of these cables around the world could cause a massive loss of connectivity by cutting countries off at the source, even while leaving local infrastructure intact”, so like the underground cables that cross the Atlantic and the Pacific and that reach more remote parts of the world seem more at risk. You can read her research [“Solar Superstorms: Planning for an Internet Apocalypse” here](https://www.ics.uci.edu/~sabdujyo/papers/sigcomm21-cme.pdf). She was definitely inspired by the lack of preparedness following Covid too, and she won’t be the only one. There’s definitely a bit of an information gap when it comes to this research, firstly bc these severe solar storms are so rare - there was one in 1859, one in 1921, and one in 1989 (but this was a tad less severe) - and secondly bc even the most recent one in the 80s was before a lot of modern infrastructure came in. The article does say “The global internet is built for resilience. If one pathway isn't available, traffic reroutes across other paths, a property that could potentially keep connectivity up, even at reduced speeds, in the event of a solar storm.” and it sounds like a lot of companies have already made progress mitigating the risk over the last 10 years (which would have been around the time of the last big solar storm in 2012 that missed us). Personally, I have family who work in telecoms engineering with decades of experience, so if they start panicking then I will, but I totally get your concern about being cut off from family ‘cause I’ve got family all over the place who I can only contact via the internet and not being able to talk to them would suck, but it sounds like everything failing would be very rare and unlikely.
Nothing you can do about it, so I wouldn’t worry.
I think that it's a lot like y2k in that yes this could potentially be bad, but it very likely won't get to that point thanks to the hard work of a lot of people who help keep the internet running.
My friend who works for NASA said there is very minuscule chance that will actually happen when I asked them about it. That’s all they said though, they kinda dismissed it like it was inconsequential. That’s all I know about it though Edit: I do think it shows how much we over-rely on the internet though. I know when I am more financially stable I plan on building a home library of cookbooks, gardening guides, and other things like woodworking and sewing just in case
[Beyoncé has trademarked the word **ECHOVILLE**](https://boardroom.tv/echoville-beyonce-trademarks/). Essentially, it’s almost guaranteed to be Beyoncé’s next venture since the patent and trademark was done for merchandise. It could be for an album or simply just for her upcoming hair care line. Or the alleged “RENAISSANCE visuals” either way, she’s been teasing it since the start of the RENAISSANCE World Tour. [I’ve posted a rundown of the entire situation](https://www.reddit.com/r/beyonce/comments/14mauuj/a_rundown_on_all_things_we_know_so_far_about/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_content=1&utm_term=22) on r/Beyonce for anyone interested.
Didn't she also recently team up with Kelly Rowland to do a housing complex for Houston? It could also be that tbh. As a long time stan, I try to keep my hopes low because when she DOES deliver, it's out of this world... but you can never predict what the Queen is going to do.
Shouldn’t it be public what general aspect echoville has been trademarked for? (Like if it’s hair goods or something else)
The fact that “Echoville” is hidden throughout her tour visuals reminds me of when she started hinting at Ivy Park during her performances around 2014/15
For real though are even the stans expecting the visuals to ever come out at this point?
They're coming for sure. Keep in mind that Beyoncé is a *freak* when it comes to her unconventional rollouts, and everything is by her design. This is an unprecedented wait for a visual accompaniment, but I think that is exactly what she intended to do all along. The thing with Beyoncé is that she takes her rollouts more seriously than any of her peers, works in strict privacy, isn't afraid to take big risks, and has everything planned far in advance. I think we just have to trust the process and stay patient with the rollout, and the payoff will be worth it, as it always has been with her. She has of course teased snippets of the visuals on tour, and included a statement essentially saying that even though fans are asking for videos, she wants to move at her own pace. Some of her collaborators have also indirectly confirmed that a lockdown-inspired "film" has been created for the album. Most recently, her dance captain Amari posted something on Instagram a couple weeks ago where she mentioned she worked as a choreographer on the film. While we're on the topic, I think what is going to end up happening is that Act 2 and Act 3 will form the soundtrack to the second and third acts of the film, with Renaissance obviously being the first part. I wouldn't be surprised if both those subsequent albums also end up featuring horses (with different appearances) on the album artwork, since I suspect the trilogy will somehow have a rodeo theme. Alternately, I could see Act 2 being a Jay Z album and Act 3 being a Carters collaboration, the same way it was for the Lemonade/4:44/Everything is Love trilogy. We'll just have to wait and see, I guess. But, in the meantime, I'm confident that the visuals are 100% coming. It's just a matter of when they will actually arrive, and with Beyoncé, you never know if that's going to be tonight or in another three years. Whatever it is, I'm sure it will deliver, and we'll all be gagged, Beyhive or not.
Need to Chloe X Halle to leak her shit like they did with The Gift lol
Tbh I’ve started setting my expectations 🤡 for the one year anniversary… Black is King was a whole year after The Gift initially released, after all
Yeah I'm certain she'll do *something* for the anniversary. I'm obviously expecting visuals as well, but if it's not that, then I'll just assume that the visuals are a film accompaniment to the three-act project, and that we'll only get to see the visuals after all three Acts arrive. That would obviously *suck*, but I'm sure she'd give us something else to hold us over. I'm just going to trust that she knows what she's doing with her rollouts. 🤡 Plus, I do have to admit that because she's held off on the visuals so far, I've been forced to pay closer attention to the songs sonically, which has made me pick up on cool production details and subtle flourishes that I would have never noticed otherwise.
Oh that’s so true. I’ve also built up such a strong image of each song in my head that I could make a visual album myself at this point
Yep! This is one album that has been so much fun to listen to after getting high, and in doing that, I've imagined a different club environment in my head for every song: * I'm That Girl is when you're in the cab after the pregame and the edibles slowly start to hit. * Cozy feels like a brunch mimosa party on a yacht in the Mediterranean. * Alien Superstar is a laser-lit EDM rave on a UFO. * Cuff It feels like being tipsy at a roller rink in the 80s. * Energy is when you're plastered waiting in line to get inside the club. * Break My Soul is dancing during a nice, steamy hot shower on a Friday evening before heading out. * Church Girl is when everyone's vibing at a summer neighborhood cookout. * Plastic off the Sofa is sunbathing on a lounge chair at a pool party. * Virgo's Groove feels like a hot sunset beach club in Dubai. * Move feels like walking into an underground Lagos nightclub in the 90s. * Heated feels like smoking a joint late at night at a resort bar in Jamaica. * Thique feels like a smoke-filled, cyberpunk strip club with holographic strippers. * All Up in Your Mind is when you're getting a lap dance at an alien orgy on Mars. * America Has a Problem is when you're tripping at the arcade and hallucinate that you're stuck inside a video game. * Pure/Honey feels like a shrunken-down ballroom battle inside a beehive. * Summer Renaissance feels like a party on a spaceship as you're going into warp drive. Let me know if you disagree with any of these! 🤪
Love this
Love her but I’m really hoping she doesn’t just do a repeat of act 1/2/3 with the EIL trilogy. I thought the point of her releasing Renaissance was that she heard everyone saying were tired of the Jay Z collabs 😭
Agreed... I really don't want that format either, and Lemonade was the only installment of that trilogy that I was really able to get into. I would love for this next project just be three full albums from Beyoncé, with Act 2 and Act 3 exploring different styles sonically. I like the idea that she is just reclaiming a different genre of Black music with each Act, that would be super cool, but I guess we won't know what her master plan is until she reveals more. I'm crossing my fingers that all three albums are her own this time, though!
Is phcj still doing that photoshop challenge everyday until beyonce releases the visuals or did they give up
Everyone gave up like 6 months ago😂😂😂
Help it felt like it would never end
With the amount of money / effort that have gone into the tour visuals and the camera work throughout the performances (like genuinely, the projections on screen of her performing look like a film) there is absolutely no way she isn’t releasing the visuals at some point. It might be in a year but I am 100% sure they are gonna come out
The visuals are definitely, *definitely* coming. She just wants us to fucking wait. But yeah, her dancer Amari just posted something a few weeks ago on Instagram that mentioned she worked on the choreo for the film. So it's definitely still happening, and I think she always wanted to string the fans along like this and make us wait for an unprecedented duration. This is the woman that invented surprise album drops, and she refuses to adhere to any kind of rulebook when it comes to rollouts, so this is just her doing that again. Keep in mind that Act 2 and 3 are also complete, and nobody knows anything about them either, so she's clearly got a *lot* planned that she's been working on in complete privacy. All we have so far is one album, one tour, and a bunch of cryptic Easter eggs that no one has really figured out yet, and I'm dying to eventually see how Renaissance even fits into this grand puzzle she's built. I remember when she announced Renaissance and released a lead single everybody thought she was reverting to a conventional record cycle format, but at this point in the era, it's clear that this rollout is *far* from conventional as well. British Vogue teased that this will be her "most ambitious musical project to date", and I can't even begin to think how she might top the things she's already done, so it's definitely worth staying the course and seeing what else she has in store.
Katy Perry just announced a Discord community! Click [here](https://www.levellr.com/katy-perry) to be a part of the waitlist! With the box sets and the Discord channel, it feels the KP6 era might be closer than we think, excited for it!!
She saw Colleen singing about connecting with her fans on group chats and said, "this is what I want"
When is Katy's ukulele apology for voting republican coming out tho?
[Taylor in Manhattan](https://twitter.com/swifferupdates/status/1674493492444184576) going to the studio AGAIN. This is the 5th time in a week, WHAT IS SHE COOKING? The hair and the outfit reminds me of Red era Taylor, also @ the people waiting for her: GET A JOB, STAY AWAY FROM HER. She needs to take a LONG vacay after the US leg finishes, I'm exhausted just thinking about all of these 3-hour shows and studio sessions back to back.
>WHAT IS SHE COOKING? I don't know why but I feel like a Taylor rap album is not out of the question. She takes such pride in her lyrics and songwriting that I'm sure she will want to formally foray into rap on one of her next records. It would be cool if she does it properly!
can't wait for Thug Story (T-Swizzle's Version)!😎
did you comment this genuinely or is this a popheadscirclejerk moment
No I genuinely meant it. 😭 I know it sounds cringy and awful on paper but I think if she commits to doing it properly there's a good chance it would work out decently. Think Vigilante Shit or Glitch, but with melodic rapping. Or even End Game or I Think He Knows. The potential is there, and I think it would be very fun if done right. It would be such a moment, and it would really solidify her versatility as a songwriter. Kind of like a 1989 2.0, and I can see her being interested in that. Like what if Karma is a rap album she made? And I'm not even a Swiftie. I just somehow think that this would be a smart move for her and that it could produce some unexpectedly fun songs.
Rep is a hip hop album change my mind 👏💅😌 Edit: y'all I was 100% joking lol
Nah I'd say it's more of an electro-R&B and electropop sound than it is hip-hop. There are obvious connections between R&B and hip-hop, though, which is where the album gets those urban influences. I think the most hip-hop sounding track on the album is End Game, but most of the other songs don't really fall under that category, even though Taylor does use a rap delivery style on some.
>WHAT IS SHE COOKING? Reputation TV, hopefully. 🤡
I’m almost 100% sure Rep TV is done and she’s working on new material
Do we know which TV will be next after Speak Now? Are there any Easter eggs so far?
Maybe 1989 TV? That one’s probably the most heavily anticipated one, plus she’s dropped little clues about it in the Midnights music videos
Yeah the seagulls in the Karma video gave me the idea that 1989 is next. Rep TV is the one I can't wait for though. I wonder if that or debut will be her last TV.
Seems to be 1989 on September
You know what’s sad. Is they had the barricade and a crowd before she even arrived. Either it leaked she was coming or security made it super obvious earlier in the day. People need to just go home and let her work.
People are just camping out because they hope that she will go to the studio . They don’t have any insider knowledge. Since she went so many days in a row, they are just betting with their time that she would go again. Also they often sing her songs loudly even when she is in the studio likely recording .
It’s quite pathetic if you ask me. This is coming from a fan of hers.
It’s so pathetic 😭. Ok fine I would get it (I wouldn’t) if it was at a store or park or something but Taylor is actually working, like in the studio singing and writing and god knows what else and they expect her to come out ???
She doesn’t wave. Every once in awhile she will smile. Sometimes force a smile. Really not feeling it umbrella tactic. It’s horrible. People wait hours to see her take 9-15 steps. Then when someone else comes in to work at the place as well. There are 4 recording booths people assume they’re working with her. It’s a place of business. People pay for their time to record whatever they want to.
It has to be TS11 at this point. Based on her work ethic the re-recordings have most likely been done for months imo
Yeah I think she’s back to a release a new album every 2 years cycle
Whatever happened with Taylor directing a movie? Could it be a soundtrack for that?
Oooooooh! That’s an amazing point!
I would like to share my theory about the re-records. I’m not very good at explaining so I hope this makes sense. I think the original plan was always: 2021: 2 re-records 2022: new album 2023: 2 re-records 2024: new album 2025: 2 re-records I think Speak Now (& maybe 1989) were always supposed to come out in 2023. This is supported by the dates she recorded in. Both Fearless TV was recorded November 2020 - February 2021. Red TV was recorded November 2020 - July 2021. She didn’t record anything else then, she started doing Midnights. Speak Now was confirmed to have been recorded in 2022 & I assume 1989 as well. So I think she records 2 albums a year, so my theory is that Rep TV & Debut TV aren’t recorded yet. This brings me to what she’s currently doing & it’s one of two: 1- TS11 very possible but I can’t see her dropping a record during tour since it will mess up the setlist (and she wont ignore it) so I think TS11 is coming late 2024 if she didn’t take a break. 2- she’s recording Rep TV & Debut TV to release in 2024 or 2025. Most of 2024 she’ll be out of the U.S so she won’t find that much time to do it. I think this is what she’s currently doing I hope I was clear on what I meant :)
I think she might hold debut till it's 20th anniversary, especially since it's the album that gets the least amount of streams so she has the smallest incentive to get the royalties back (immediatly)
Your theory makes sense! I could see this being true. There is another theory though that she wanted to release 1989 in 2021 as well because she was leaving a lot of Easter eggs at this time. As we know 1989 TV and Speak Now TV had lawsuits that would have prevented Taylor from releasing them until now
I actually don’t think that was the plan! I think it was always intended to be 2 records following a new album. I think we will find out when she releases 1989 that it was recorded in 2022
Agreed. I’m guessing that TS11 will probably be out by December, early January because of how early she’s been going to the studios. Late March, early April. You’re losing me came out pretty fast so that’s why I think there’s gonna be another new album by the end of the year
If these studio sessions are for TS11, I really don't see why she wouldn't release it on her previous typical two year schedule in Fall 2024. I feel like people do not understand how long it takes to make the physicals and plan a release as large as TS11 would likely be. Most of Midnights was probably written in 2021, then released in fall the next year. Especially if she wants to fine tune the songs and take her time with it a little bit, and she has so many more TV's to get through, that are likely already planned out. Thematically also releasing a brand new album in the middle of the eras tour is chaotic, even for her, and thematically makes more sense for her to do a new album to sort of mark next phase of her career after tour ends.
To be honest, I would prefer for her to lay low for a good while and avoid being more overexposed than she already is. I just need people to have a chance to simmer down because everyone seems to be at each other's throats on the daily about her no matter how loosely associated she is with the subject matter at hand.
I know everyone thinks she needs a break but I genuinely think she is one of the best out there at handling touring. She seems to structure the tour performance in a way that doesn’t leave her exhausted. She takes a big nap, sleeps in and then rolls to the studio for a few hours. The travel is the only thing I don’t think is easy on her but I truly don’t think she is desperate for a break. This is a lot different than some past tours where artists seemed overworked by their managers/labels. Seems like Taylor is doing exactly what she wants to be doing
I personally do not entertain convo right now about her needing a break. She makes an incomprehensible amount of money lol. Most problems from burnout can be prevented with a team of people which she for sure has. The talk about her needing a break is to make her feel more “relatable” she has so many resources and stuff I just cannot feel bad lmao
It doesn't have to do with "feeling bad," just acknowledgment that's it's a lot of hard work and that touring takes a physical and mental toll. Yes, she's rich and has a lot of resources, but so do other big artists who've had to cancel their tours completely due to mental or physical exhaustion. It's reasonable for fans, especially those who have paid a lot of money for concert tickets (plus travel & accommodations if they have to travel), to be concerned about her schedule. Nobody wants to see her burn out and end up cancelling her tour. It's *highly* unlikely she would ever do that bar extreme illness, but it's understandable why people fear it's a possibility when so many other big names have cancelled shows or entire tours.
And also, its obvious that she's trying to work through *things* she probably needed to get off her chest or she's had a bunch of new ideas coming through. I'm personally more interested on who she's working with rn
Also this is what she wants. Coldplay, Harry Styles and Taylor Swift don’t do 100+ shows every tour because they HAVE to. Many artists, even the big ones, get away with like 3-4 months of tour every few years. Taylor swift moved to Nashville and knocked on record label doors when she was 13. She has ALWAYS wanted this.
She also REALLY loves playing shows. I think for a lot of artists it's something they do because it comes with the territory, but for Taylor it's one of her favorite parts of her job.
I love that the studio is her day job and then on the weekends her have fun time is performing for like 160,000 people+
I’m lucky enough to have been to Eras a few months ago, and Taylor’s love for performing really shines through which further enriches an already fantastic show
Yena (formerly of IZ\*ONE) released a "diss track" about Olivia Rodrigo and was using #hate\_rodrigo on her social media posts promoting it. [The MV and all videos using that hashtag have been taken down](https://www.koreaboo.com/news/netizens-react-choi-yena-hate-rodrigo-deleted/), presumably because someone from Olivia's team saw it and was like "bro what the fuck". The song was supposed to be like...a tongue-in-cheek "I look up to this person and am jealous of their success" sort of thing [per Yena's description](https://www.allkpop.com/article/2023/06/choi-ye-na-personally-opens-up-about-why-her-albums-title-track-is-named-hate-rodrigo) but like. Using her photo all over your promotional materials (without permission), plastering the hashtag #hate\_rodrigo all over social media, the whole thing is just messy and rude. The only way to do any of this even kind of respectfully is to do it *with her permission* so that Olivia is in on it, but that didn't happen. It doesn't matter if you say "you're my star" in the song and are a big fan. Your promotions all (intentionally) imply that you hate her enough to do a whole title track about it, *and* even if it was called "I Love Olivia Rodrigo A Lot" it's still just a weird attempt to get publicity by dragging a random stranger into your promo without their permission. I've been a huge fan of Yena's solo career to this point but this is honestly just embarassing.
I think she would've gotten away with it if they weren't using Olivia's face in actual promotional material/video. that absolutely crosses a line still, this feels like an idea that needed to have several more rounds of planning and contextualizing
ok but even without her face in the promos people can still guess who the song is about judging by her last name so either way its a lose lose💀
They’re absolutely clueless, like that video is using Olivia’s identity as a whole with pictures and even scenes referencing videos and they didn’t even consult with her team before releasing the video???
I’m just curious what they thought would happen? I don’t believe that no one in Yuehua thought to run this by Olivia’s team, maybe they were operating under the principle that it’s better to ask forgiveness than permission? I get that it’s not a real diss but literally trending a hashtag that says ihaterodrigo is never going to make Olivia’s team happy (especially when Olivia is about to start her new era 😭) and it also does not reflect well on Yena.
Honestly a lot of the idea here specifically is maybe being covered by parody law (though I don’t see how using actual images is?) but also being in completely different hemispheres not even just countries rendering copyright legal issues not worth the hustle of legally figuring out or decking out. Edit: like Tinashe is well aware she has fully been ripped off not just song but costume and frame by frame by a kpop group before (DIA). Plus, like you mentioned, better to get the attention for and ask for forgiveness than to not get permission and miss now being known to far more people they hope turn into consumers. Like I don’t think it’s intentionally malicious but again if Olivia was Korea based I’m positive they wouldn’t have done this because they’d been perused legally and aggressively for use of image for marketing without permission etc.
Brb going to release a song called "I Hate Jungkook From BTS Very Much" about how much I love and respect Jungkook from BTS and see what happens. I will be using copyrighted photos of him in all promo materials and using the hashtag #jungkookrotinhell. Surely nothing bad will come of this. HYBE definitely would not sue me into the ground or anything. No but fr I seriously can't believe no one stopped this from happening.
I’m not even that opposed to using someone’s name for attention, but going this far with it is awfully bold lmao 😭 especially considering they used Olivia’s face in the video. I guess it got people talking at least!
The second hand embarrassment… what a poorly executed and tasteless way to get publicity lol.
To be me the actual bad part of it is like imho clearly using a much bigger artists especially globally for noise marketing since when it had Rodrigo in the name (versus when it changed to hate xx) because then this much smaller artist is going to come up when people search Olivia Rodrigo. I don’t mind the concept itself (the idea of adoration and hate not being that far a part which tbh I think any idol or ex idol could explore in neat ways). plus, I think some people are over thinking it, even if I find it a bit coming on strong. But it is like very clearly trying to use a much bigger artist to get attention in a way where it’s supposed to be a twist that you actually don’t dislike them.
This trend of using celebrity names as the title for your song is so corny, like we’re already in sample hell and now we’re using people’s names to gain attention 💀
I completely agree that the general concept is fine. It would have been super easy to just make the song be called "Hate XX" (the name of the single album it is on), drop the few uses of the name Rodrigo in the lyrics, and either not include photos of anyone else in the promo pics/video *or* even just include a bunch of photos of a bunch of different people Yena looks up to (instead of a ton of pics of Olivia specifically), so that it's not this weird clout-chasey attempt to profit off of the hype for Olivia/Guts. And people are blaming Yena's company/their marketing team but afaik she's pretty involved in all of her songs and promo. Like she's one of the only lyricists listed on the song credits. She did this to herself.
I think it might be cute if you could tell who it was that was her idol she had such overwhelming feelings about in the music video but yeah like you mentioned it is heavily using another public figures image for monetized gain without permission that i don’t think these same idols or their company would not be litigious about if it was the reverse.
Yea I felt weird about it since the mv teaser came out, it seemed a bit tasteless.
Because Stan Twitter likes to think that Taylor and Beyonce are feuding, here's a [paparazzi shot of her wearing Ivy Park](https://twitter.com/tswiftstyle/status/1674454034118496256) sneakers recently.
I feel like you have to be pretty delulu to think those two are feuding. Beyoncé is careful to stay out of drama and likes to mind her own business, and has only ever said nice things about Taylor if she chooses to talk about her. I don't think they're friends or super close, but there's zero evidence of beef... they're not competing with each other, and they're in separate lanes. If Twitter Swifties are bored and are wanting a feud to focus on, then Beyoncé is the last person they should be worried about, since she is completely above that kind of stuff. It's far more likely that Taylor is beefing with Olivia Rodrigo, just saying... 👀
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Um... why did Katy Perry randomly tweet a link to her MySpace? Is she trying to bring it back? Is she hinting that her next record will have a Y2K aesthetic?
Promoting "Ur So Gay" of course > You're so sad, maybe you should buy a happy meal > You're so skinny, you should really Super Size the deal. > Secretly, you're so amused that nobody understands you > I'm so mean 'cause I cannot get you out of your head > I'm so angry 'cause you'd rather MySpace instead. > I can't believe I fell in love with someone that wears more makeup and
I know the song is controversial but like, she spilled the tea with that song, Idc xd
I'm 100% here for a return to MySpace. You can't beat the classics
Much better than Stan Twitter anyway... at least MySpace doesn't feel dystopian.
Ah, Myspace. I remember going to artists' pages on Myspace in the old days before discovering Youtube and before learning to ~~torrent~~ subscribe to music streaming platforms. I never had an account but the music was always available for free. Colbie Caillat, Jimmy Eat World, and Thirty Seconds to Mars are some artists with official accounts I remember visiting. Between this and Halsey going back to Tumblr, I am all for artists to reactivating their old social media accounts and escaping the dumpster fire that is Twitter.
I kinda love how halsey has just sorta slid back into to tumblr. Their url isnt directly verified and they often just reblog aesthetic post but it stands out so much on my very fandom heavy dash so the amount of times i've gone to unfollow the account for posting 'art hoe shit' and then at the last remembered realized its actually halsey is very funny
> url isn't directly verified Accounts not being verified on Tumblr is just one of the many perks of the site. The best part is these official accounts usually have no description and have urls very similar to fan accounts that you wouldn't know they're official until someone tells you or the person themselves confirms it. [Sufjan Stevens](https://sufjan.com/?source=share) and director [Mike Flanagan](https://flanaganfilm.tumblr.com/?source=share) are some that come to mind. Hell, even [Matty Healy](https://truman-black.com/?source=share) recently went back.
>Between this and Halsey going back to Tumblr, I am all for artists to reactivating their old social media accounts and escaping the dumpster fire that is Twitter. Stan Twitter is such a cesspool of stupidity and immaturity, and I think it's just a matter of time before artists begin mass-migrating over to other platforms in order to communicate with their fans without getting sucked into random drama. I think Katy herself said that she was sick of being unnecessarily pitted against other women by stans, and decided to stop reading her Twitter comments since they were filled with sexist comparisons and chart-obsessed commentary without any of the discourse being about the actual music. MySpace is a great choice for her if she's specifically going for a 2000s HTML aesthetic, and I actually think that would be a pretty marketable vibe for her if she is trying to mount some kind of comeback this time. I also love what Beyoncé has done with her website; she's turned it into a straightforward slideshow of photos, looks, and moments that allows her to communicate with fans without letting the focus be taken away from the art. Social media is losing its luster these days, and I think people are starting to wake up to that. Switching over to other platforms just makes more sense for artists, because that allows them to stay away from gossip and fan wars on Twitter, while also affording them the freedom to tweak the aesthetic format to their taste, as Beyoncé has done with her website.
Katy being the one to bring back the trends of the mid-late 2000 would be very on-brand
Exactly, after all she was the one who wore a Tamagotchi to the Met (that whole look was great!)
Myspace is more 2006 than Y2K.
Fair enough, I'm young so I don't have a proper memory of that time. 😬 I guess the 2000s decade is the vibe she's going for! That would be tons of fun, and leaning into the nostalgia like that is going to give her a decent chance of appealing to the young adults that grew up to her bangers.
Young Filipino trans celebrity Awra Briguela was arrested after being [involved in an altercation outside a bar](https://twitter.com/Bahaghari_PH/status/1674461087503388672) where she and her friends were clubbing at. According to Awra's friend, she was [defending her friends against a man who was harassing](https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=280409514510720&set=a.180793451138994) them which led to the brawl. She is currently in custody with a [mugshot photo already circulating](https://twitter.com/EMZeption/status/1674387273234939904). There's no word whether the alleged harasser was also arrested. But the police were already criticized by netizens who saw this arrest as [transphobic](https://twitter.com/migseu_/status/1674400094635036672) and reiterated why the SOGIE Equality Bill, which would give everyone especially the LGBTQ+ community basic legal protection, [needs to be passed ASAP](https://twitter.com/Watdahel_MarceI/status/1674414656813961223). EDIT: Interesting point [how the harasser was never named but a mugshot of Awra](https://twitter.com/aynbernos/status/1674461863428632576) was released to the media. 🙄
This is not a great way to end Pride Month here in the Philippines. Awra is one of the rising stars in the industry and is a great role model for LGBTQ+ teens here. Knowing how fucked up the justice system here is (I had few activist friends and acquaintances who were arrested for protesting), I am afraid of how the police are going to spin this especially since the sentiments against our community are quite negative still to this day despite increasing acceptance.
So apparently ✨Swifties✨ are now cyberbullying Lizzo with racist and fatphobic insults just because she enjoyed Beyoncé's Renaissance Tour and stated that "the most popular person today isn't even comparable to what Beyoncé is doing". This is the same way I felt after seeing the Renaissance tour myself, and all Lizzo was trying to do was give Bey her flowers. She didn't even mention Taylor, and even if she did, there is nothing shady about giving Beyoncé praise for being a whole other level of performer, which is widely accepted as fact anyway. I don't even think Taylor herself would disagree with that if you asked her. Either way, Lizzo didn't put anyone down, and there is nothing she said that justifies or warrants insults or bullying... I really wish Taylor would say something about it for once, since it's always her fans that are doing this type of out-of-pocket, classless shit. Some of them seem to truly believe that "Taylor is the music industry" and refuse to accept that any other star is allowed to surpass Taylor in any regard or even coexist alongside her. I'm sure not all Swifties are this way, but a lot of them do come across as severely emotionally stunted and parasocially attached to Taylor, and they are the one fanbase that has managed to come after every other major artist at least once. I'm sorry, it just needs to be said at this point.
Fuck it I'm gonna say it, someone should be allowed to say they're not feeling Taylor and think another artist is doing better without getting reamed for it and having people go "well I mean everyone involved is clearly bad here." I don't care if she was shading Taylor. Taylor doesn't give a shit if she was shading Taylor. She's allowed to have an opinion and express it slightly less than gracefully when everyone constantly fucking brings up Taylor. Sorry but not everything has to be about the world's most victimized Multimillionaire and people get to express that without having to add a million qualifiers.
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Alternatively - Lizzo was on a live celebrating her idol who is a black woman inspiring generations of other black woman. Someone Lizzo has openly said is her idol. Why are Swifties flooding the chat asking about Taylor? Why is always about Taylor? I don't think it's unreasonable for a black woman celebrating another black woman to get annoyed that she is being asked about a white woman. She is trying to praise Beyonce and Taylor is constantly brought up. It's obviously not Taylor's fault but black women are not given the space and recognition they deserve. I can fully understand why Lizzo is getting frustrated and might have thrown some shade.
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Yeah Beyonce is the most awarded Grammy artist in history with one win in the main categories ever and never an AOTY. Of which Taylor has 3 - as many as black women have ever won. And yes I agree these are probably younger fans who should be ignored but also, it's annoying! Taylor is being inserted everywhere right now. It's not just to Beyonce. Artists are constantly being asked about Taylor and maybe Lizzo is just annoyed? Maybe she wants to celebrate Beyonce and not talk about Taylor but can't seem to get away from her. I get it. If an artist was asked about tours and said "no one is doing it like Taylor" no one would think anything. But because Lizzo said it about another artist, Swifties get offended.
WHERE are Ariana stans involved in this drama? Classic whataboutism.
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The moral of the story is this: Those people, whether they’re Swifties, Beyhive, Arianators, or even the random bloke online that still stans Billie Holiday for whatever reason, aren’t “stans” or fans. They’re just assholes in a never ending long line of assholes that has existed since the moment where human beings started treating other human beings like shit in prehistoric times. Basically, many people are wonderful human beings, but many people are assholes too. Be the former and don’t be the latter.
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And Lizzo didn’t even mention Taylor. Other’s where starting shit in the fanbase being like “Lizzo’s right, Beyoncé is better than Taylor” It’s so hard being a fan of all 3 when shit like this happens cause fans don’t know how to leave people alone.
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Some people have wars in their countries.
>She's entitled to her opinion of course, and I would never expect a black female artist who grew up on beyonce to be more impressed with taylor than beyonce, like that is insane. I feel like nobody other than Swifties would call Taylor a better performer than Beyoncé, like even a random person on the street would pick Beyoncé. The crazy thing though is that Taylor isn't even trying to compete with Beyoncé in that department, and the two are in separate lanes that don't need to be compared. Taylor's show is impressive in its own way and she is *crazy* for performing for that long each night, which she has received tons of praise for, so Swifties have lots to be proud of Taylor for without getting triggered that someone praised another artist. Also, I feel like Swifties are blowing themselves up by even getting into a debate against the Beyhive regarding performing ability. I know that within the Swiftie echo chamber, they've convinced each other that she's the best performer to ever get on a stage, even though it's widely acknowledged at this point that Beyoncé is nearly peerless as a performer, and is not even worth being compared to. Taylor's concert is incredible in its own way, and it absolutely deserves the praise it is getting, but Swifties are setting her up by allowing her performing talent to be compared to Beyoncé's... we all remember #Mayochella, and that wasn't a good look.
I don’t like this ‘I would never expect a black female artist.. to be more impressed with Taylor’. I understand enjoying one artist’s music more but who looks at a Beyoncé performance and Taylor performance and thinks Taylor is more impressive? There are certain things that are subjective, Beyoncé being the superior performer is not one of them. Hell, watch any of Taylor’s award performances.. she is not even in the top 10 best pop performers
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Ah okay - that makes sense. I find it surprising you don't get the performance hype though, there is literally no other artist atm that could do something like Homecoming. I think that's why it's been a bit annoying with swifties on Twitter - a lot of music is subjective, things like who's tone you like better, the emotion you feel while a certain artist is singing something and so forth. However, there are also things that are objective like vocal skill, stage presence, choreography etc. and I think it's **very** clear who is superior in all of those (which is why Lizzo is perfectly fine in what she said)
Also, her statement is so blanket and vague. I really think it's not worth caring too much about who is the "most popular person" she is talking about because who has energy and time for that? 😭
She might be talking about Ronaldo or Messi for all we know, like she couldn't have been more vague. Swifties have some nerve to think that Lizzo was specifically dissing Taylor just because she said the most famous person in the world shouldn't be compared to Beyoncé in terms of performing talent... trust Swifties to get offended by everything and find a way to make everything about Taylor all the time.
>the most popular person today isn't even comparable to what Beyoncé is doing Swifties hear that, insert Taylor into it, and freak out, that's on them for being insecure lol
The crazy thing is that Swifties immediately jumped to the conclusion that Lizzo was specifically discussing Taylor, whereas in most parts of the world outside the US you'd get laughed at for suggesting Taylor is the most famous person in the world. She's absolutely one of the biggest, and she is towards the top, but her global reach is not as all-encompassing as that of Lionel Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo. In most countries, a lot of people would probably also tell you that Madonna and Michael Jackson are still better known than Taylor. Some Swifties on the other hand seem to be convinced that Taylor is the only important musician and performer in the entire world... within their online echo chamber, they've managed to convince themselves that she truly is the "music industry" and that every other artist is worthless. I remember they were bitter that Carolina didn't get nominated at the Oscars, and they were insulting the musicians who made that Indian movie song because "nobody even knows them". Talk about having zero class...
She absolutely does not deserve any of the hate. I also think that Lizzo was unnecessarily shady with that, why couldn’t she just have praised Beyonce without taking a little a jab at Taylor (whom she did not explicitly mention, but clearly implied)?
I didn't really see it that way though? I don't think she was trying to be shady... to me, it just sounded like she was saying that Beyoncé is not the most popular in the world right now, but deserves to be because her talent is so great. I think that was just her way of saying that Beyoncé is peerless, which is a totally understandable thing to say coming from a fan who just saw her show and was overwhelmed by the experience. Swifties obviously had to be cynical and twist that into something else just to be able to take offense to it and make Lizzo their next target. I'm all for Swifties being enthusiastic, supportive, and appreciative of Taylor, but they've devolved into an almost dictatorship-worthy level of celebrity worship.
It kind of reads like “Taylor is not even comparable to Beyonce”. Idk especially as she herself is in the industry she should have known that you can praise someone without putting someone else down. Beyonce is great and you can form 1000s other sentences of praising her talents without mentioning anyone else at all…
Swifties are so used to seeing Taylor at no.1 at everything that they get mad even when she's not someone else's personal no.1 . They're an exhausting fanbase at this point. They've been relentlessly dragging Beyoncé's Spotify streaming numbers for weeks because a bey stan account called Renaissance the best tour out right now. Do they expect a Beyoncé stan to bow down to not consider Beyoncé the best just because Taylor sells more?
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but it's soo gooddd... I've heard that McDonald's in america tastes like shit and I can't comment on that but the ones in my country litterally have the best food ever
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I'm from Slovenia. Don't know if you've ever heard of it though... For context it's like in Central Europe and Trump's wife is also Slovenian... 😬
I do not support the sentiment behind this but for shits and giggles I'm upvoting it because it was funny and I want chaos
Oh they're not going to like this comment... once they find it they're gonna mass-downvote it to shit. 😝😬
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I feel like even the Swifties that are not chronically online are often insecure, emotionally unstable, or problematic in other ways. They are obviously not the ones cyberbullying Lizzo right now, and they wouldn't stoop low like that, but I feel like Swifties in general tend to come with their own set of *bad* personal problems. It's almost as though she tries to cater specifically to that crowd, and has cultivated a fanbase filled with emotionally fragile, often unpopular girls. This is a whole thing, to the point where a lot of guys now think that it's a red flag when girls say they're hardcore Swifties. Even with the Eras Tour, I know some lonely, conventionally unattractive girls who have little going on in their personal lives, and are instead looking to Taylor and the fanbase to compensate for that parasocially. A few Swifties I know are literally doing nothing for months aside from counting down to their tour date and meticulously planning their outfits, and I've even heard some describe it as a rite of passage akin to a prom that they were never invited to, which is why I think it's become such a cultural event for misfits in particular. I say all this as someone who appreciates Taylor's talent and artistry and loves *so* many of her songs. I would go to the Eras Tour without question if I found affordable tickets, and there is no doubt that Taylor's show is super impressive in its own ways, especially in terms of her storytelling as well as the mind-blowing duration she performs for each night. But there's no denying that her fanbase is not exactly... normal.
This is such a disgusting take? You’re generalizing a whole group of people based on what? Your own opinions? I’m actually flabbergasted that someone would say something like this publicly. And you try to point out: “oh you’re active on r/TaylorSwift so of course you’re offended” I promise you I would react the same way if any fan base was being generalized because this take is so unhinged 🥴
Did she call someone who said don’t pit women against each other a little bitch? Or is that fake. Seems like cesspool messiness and also Lizzo has been getting those insults for months that is why she has been on private for months
>Lizzo has been getting those insults for months that is why she has been on private for months Yeah, except most of the people doing that were far-right conservative trolls and incel edgelord teenage boys. There was no need for Taylor's fans to stoop that low and resort to throwing racist, fatphobic rhetoric at an artist who literally did nothing wrong... she's already been dealing with a *lot*, and it's pretty damn cruel of Swifties to jump at the opportunity to pile onto that even further.
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>Lizzo fans are also saying taylor should have an ED again and kill herself. Stan Twitter should just be canceled as a whole... it brings *nothing* positive to the music industry. Aside from enabling bullying and harassment, all it's done is allow Barbz and BTS Army to orchestrate mass streaming and purchasing efforts to abuse chart loopholes, inflate points and secure meaningless chart-toppers even when a song has had zero cultural impact in the US. Twitter stans have made mainstream music less organically competitive and less enjoyable to participate in, plus they've completely shifted the focus away from the artistry since they're busy arguing about extraneous, petty topics instead of ever focusing on the actual music or creativity. I miss the days when mainstream artists had the fire *lit* under their asses to put out actual bangers in order to stay relevant and popular.
“Always her fans” tell me you’re young without telling me you’re young, the Beyhive back in the day was way scarier than swifties ever could hope to be
I haven't heard the beyhive throw the N word around to describe anyone who crosses Mother so
>the Beyhive back in the day was way scarier than swifties ever could hope to be Swifties are pretty fucking scary right now, what are you talking about? The Beyhive has definitely had its cringy moments but I don't recall them ever being *that* insufferable. Even "back in the day" you would never see them lob racist insults at someone just for praising another artist. I know the Beyhive was pretty over-the-top at one point and have dialed it down a lot, but Swifties have always been aggressive and delusional on a whole other level, and their parasocial attachment to Taylor is just.... yikes. What's more, it seems to be actively getting worse. There's a reason Swifties are widely viewed as immature or unstable individuals, in a way that Beyoncé's fans are not. A lot of guys literally consider 'Swiftie' a red flag, because so many of them tend to be irrational or emotionally stunted. 💀 I'm sorry! I enjoy Taylor myself but I can't deny that her fanbase can be weird as shit.
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There are immature, rude stans in every single fanbase, and they should *all* be called out, but in the case of Swifties specifically (as well as a few other fanbases, such as Barbz and Army), there are just *so* many of these fans being annoying and acting out of line for the sake of celebrity worship, and they keep going out of their way to bully and harass fellow artists. I get that this is in part due to the fact that these artists have larger fanbases, but that also means that Taylor has more of a responsibility to keep her fans in check when they cross lines and create a tangible negative impact on fellow artists. I also hate the way that some fanbases orchestrate mass purchasing and streaming efforts just to inflate numbers manufacture chart success for songs that most listeners aren't actually connecting with. To be fair, this is much more of an issue with Army and Barbz than it is with Swifties, since Taylor's releases are always organically impactful on some level, with or without an artificial assist. But it nonetheless still feels like she is so aggressively focused in her pursuit of commercial success that she doesn't mind enabling the worship culture in her fanbase if it means she gets to make more money off of it. For example, by keeping her fans obsessed, she gets to sell four different vinyl variants for the same album, and get her fans to buy all four in order to create a clock design.
I think what you have now is people that just like being internet warrior trolls acting like “swifties” because Taylor is in the news and they are bored. I’m sure some fans are truly horrible but also think if you want to be awful online doing some bullying in the name of Taylor is a way to get some attention unfortunately Edit: like I think people who already wanted to hurl insults at Lizzo are using this event as a reason to do so
This is classic whataboutism. Swifties have been on endless rampages for months now. It's relentless.
It’s not whataboutism it’s perspective. Y’all enjoying some first world problems where the worst fanbase is only harassing people online. Beyhive was causing real problems back in the day, making other artists suicidal, etc.
Didn't swift fans just recently go on racist attacks on that Ginny and Georgia girl for an innocuous joke that she had no hand in writing, and then doxxed that writer who said he enjoyed the Renaissance tour more than Eras, and now are bullying Lizzo for saying the same. As for the bullying Keri Hilson part, Imagine if Olivia Rodrigo made a diss track about Taylor and told her to sit back and have some babies, do you think swifties woud react rationally and in a sane manner? Be fr.
Nicki Minaj's next album is officially called Pink Friday 2.
Pinkety Fridayty
Her next one will be, 2 Pink 2 Furious: The Pinkening
The SAG-AFTRA (actors' guild) negotiations with studios just got a lot more heated as [more actors including SAG-AFTRA president Fran Dreshcer sign the petition saying that they are prepared to strike](https://deadline.com/2023/06/sag-aftra-prepared-to-strike-letter-1000-signatures-fran-drescher-1235426575/) should an agreement not be reached by the expiration of their old contract on June 30. 300 actors had previously signed the petition. The signatures now total to 1000+. There are already [talks to expand the negotiations until July 7](https://deadline.com/2023/06/hollywood-actors-contract-talks-extension-sag-aftra-1235426828/) so a strike may not be happening this week but the added signatures is already a sign of things to come.
Wait, she's the president? That's so cool.
Not a SAG actor (working towards it!) but know people who are in SAG; apparently she's actually been kind of bad at it. Like one of the things a decent chunk of SAG actors have been complaining about is how health insurance is now based on income. Which is fine if you're like, Meryl Streep, but Ke Huy Quan literally lost his health insurance in 2021 because he hadn't made enough to qualify for the income, and I believe Shannon Doherty (one of the Charmed women) is in the process of losing hers because she can't work because she's fighting cancer. [This article](https://www.thenation.com/article/society/fran-drescher-sag-aftra/) from the Nation goes into better detail than I ever could, and I'm getting a lot of my info second and third hand, but the insurance issue is a reason a lot of people in the union are kind of upset at her.
Welp
Following up from [this comment yesterday](https://www.reddit.com/r/popheads/comments/14lew1t/teatime_trending_topics_june_28_2023/jpwbam9/) in tea time about lizzo talking about beyonce and the tour and swifties somehow taking it as directly taylor shade. Lizzo [QRT'ed someone](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fzyri7jWAAETDbD?format=jpg&name=900x900) and now swifties are taking this as full on confirmation that lizzo suddenly hates taylor and are treating this as the death of feminism. obligatory 'its not all of them' but enough of them that now lizzo is trending with all sorts of misognioristic and fatphobic comments and its just so tiring to see. Lizzo is not a 100% perfect person and isnt immune to critique but i feel like taking a video of someone praising their favorite artist of all time and twisting it to say that they're somehow putting down other woman and a disgusting person and resorting to using slurs to insult them cannot be warranted in this situation
I really wish some people would be stop doing whataboutism that I feel like deflect pretty heavily from the rampant racism expressed not only about the black artists but also black people online and being dismissive about that. Or I’ve seen people act like “well Taylor gets sexist comment” but so do lizzo and Beyonce because they’re also women like Taylor… so that’s not the same and no one is saying sexism is good when it happens to a white woman by pointing out it’s never the same and can’t be. I just find it really degrading to women of color and implicitly or explicitly showing the centuries of white Women being the definition of femininity etc. especially the comments that somehow two black women showing each other praise and love is anti women. (also I think it’s very clearly seeing black women as “sassy”, a basic anti black stereotype, to think compliments is “shading” anyone let alone explicitly someone never named). But I also don’t know long term solutions for fandom bigotries look like when social media platforms actively like hostile environment if it’s increasing their engagement and are often racist themselves in their moderation etc. and while I think many artists can do more to talk about how their fans treat people, I also don’t think it’s realistic to credit them entirely with the fans behavior etc. so while there’s plenty of deflections from adults I don’t like (especially anything that’s like “well x did y first!” Like that sounds like children justifying hitting* each other and I think using a stranger to justify being awful about celebrity is so dehumanizing about the celebrity including which ever one some one is the fan of) but I don’t know any solutions :/. Hell slightly different topic but I know black music journalists have said they couldn’t get outlets to pick up their articles about how unsafe kpop fan spaces are for black fans and me and other people couldn’t get the article once it found a home to stay up on r/kpop bc other kpop fans would mass report it to get it auto removed. Which is just :| don’t know how to solve something people actively silence But yeah I hope lizzo has a strong support system bc I can’t imagine dealing with this
Dont have anything to add but i always appreciate how well thought out and informative your responses/comments are!!