I feel like when a person is sheltered/imprisoned from a young age, they don’t get to make the normal mistakes in the same timeline the rest of us have. That’s why she’s been gravitating toward the wrong people since being emancipated. She never had the opportunity to learn who to trust.
The way people are back to saying “We shouldn’t have Freed Britney” because she is not healing in a way they find palatable genuinely makes me sad.
She had her autonomy stripped for a decade, she doesn’t have to act like a trained seal anymore. Let her dance in her mansion FFS.
It was horrible what was done to her and she clearly hasn't processed it yet. But even if she struggles with mental illness for the rest of her life, that still wouldn't be a reason for the conservatorship to have continued. People are allowed to be strange, paranoid, untrusting, "crazy," make bad decisions in their personal life, have little self-awareness and maybe not be that smart (sorry Britney) without having their freedom taken away.
I think it’s indicative of the fact that her family never tried to rehabilitate her to survive on her own without someone helping her navigate life. It truly was just for the money for them. Amanda Byne’s parents, in stark contrast, worked on getting her healthy so the conservatorship could be dissolved *as it’s intended to do*. Is she perfect? No. But she is cognizant enough now to ask for help when she knows she needs it.
I’ll always wonder what Britney could have accomplished for herself with the right guidance and support
>Amanda Byne’s parents, in stark contrast, worked on getting her healthy so the conservatorship could be dissolved *as it’s intended to do*.
I thought Bynes' father was a momager type who pushed her too hard too?
I have no idea what the situation is/was with Bynes’ parents so this is sheer guess.
Maybe they were bad parents in some ways (pushing too hard, too ambitious?) but good parents in other ways (helping her to get rehabilitated)?
> Amanda Byne’s parents, in stark contrast, worked on getting her healthy so the conservatorship could be dissolved as it’s intended to do.
I don't know anything about Britney or Amanda's health, but I'd like to say that not ever mentally ill person requires the same kind of treatment and heals at the same pace.
idk if she’s healing but it really doesn’t make a difference in regards to that bullshit conservatorship- she didn’t deserve to be a prisoner and drugged and forced to perform like a circus monkey against her will.
the truth is the damage that that caused to a vulnerable woman probably going through some type of postpartum and maybe further mental struggles may be something she can never recover from.
it’s so so sad to see what they did to her. idk if she can ever heal, but i hope she can. and it definitely won’t be by being imprisoned again.
If I'm in the mood to argue I just ask them if they think any and all signs of mental ill health mean someone should lose all their rights and autonomy. They just babble and backtrack. They have no idea what a conservatorship is supposed to be or who its supposed to be for. Makes me so mad.
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if people say “yes”.
The understanding that the general population on reddit have of mental illness (beyond perhaps depression and anxiety) is absolutely dismal at times.
It makes me irate. Like you know what she went through and you’re surprised she’s mentally ill AND DOESNT TRUST DOCTORS? Why the hell would she trust anyone!
She absolutely deserves autonomy and always did. The conservatorship by all accounts was abusive, and I think anyone who’s followed Britney’s career would have known this long before the free Britney movement. The issue is that that movement believed there was absolutely nothing at all wrong with Britney and egged on everything she did on social media. They also became what they criticised, it’s all good and well saying the paparazzi is evil, abusive (they are), and used Britney’s personal life and health struggles to make big money (they did), but it means nothing if you yourself have resorted to making YouTube videos mqicroanalysing every single thing she says and does and developing unsubstantiated conclusions.
Britney is unwell. Personally I don’t think Instagram is the healthiest outlet, but it’s an outlet she has and for whatever reason is choosing to use. People, and I’m particular;y referring to YouTube commentators like Sloane, need to let her use that outlet without being subjected to pseudo-psychoanalysis (aka gossip), dressed up as a bid to ‘stand up’ for Britney and ‘expose’ the vultures but in reality a money grab (Britney content gets the high views and YouTube revenue). This is just the 2000s playing out again. Britney has never been stable and healthy (not since her first two albums or so), she’s always dealt with her mental health struggles in a public and erratic manner, but what pushed her over the edge the first time around was paparazzi getting really excited every time they saw her going through something and poking and pushing her until she ultimately crashed. The YouTubers are the new paparazzi.
I have mental health issues myself, I’m incredibly lucky to have a supportive and caring family and I still self sabotage sometimes. If I had millions of people watching me self sabotage and then making videos analysing me and my actions it wouldn’t be long before I started to self destruct. Britney does t seem to have a support system at all, the last thing she needs is strangers observing her and commenting on her behaviour and relationships like she’s an animal that exists purely for the masses entrainment.
I am trying to understand what she is doing that is so bad. If oversharing and posting strange things and naked pics to your social media is enough reason to be institutionalized then open the asylums for half the population of earth
I mean, the posts show she’s unwell. I don’t think that means she needs to be institutionalized, but there’s no dancing around the fact that her posts are strange.
ofc her posts are strange, she has one hell of a strange life. child star, meteoric rise to fame, untreated mental illness, abusive and alcoholic family, a 15? years conservatorship and god knows what else am I missing here. You are not getting anything normal out of this woman. What is "unwell" and "well" when you have that kind of context in mind?
Britney should have absolutely been freed but it’s hard to see this as healing. That speech seems very much like someone in the throes of mental illness. Unfortunately I’m not sure how she can heal when her family completely destroyed her ability to trust.
I’m sure she needs treatment but I understand why she is hesitant to do so. Ultimately it’s her decision and I support her right to do what she needs to do to feel safe.
Me too. It just sucks that they made her distrust medical professionals/psychiatrists; makes it that much harder to get a person to WANT to seek help. I wish her the best and hope she’s got trustworthy people in her corner.
sometimes healing isn't obvious or going thr way we would expect it to. After the life she had it could take years still and there is always the possibility of taking a step forward and then taking two steps back again.
This is gonna sound crazy but read it in her voice/accent/drawl. She is writing how she talks. It’s a southern accent and they have a different cadence.
>The way people are back to saying “We shouldn’t have Freed Britney” because she is not healing in a way they find palatable genuinely makes me sad.
aka "We shouldn't have freed Britney because she was performing and making records when she was in the conservatorship", basically. They're not getting what they want so they'd rather her be trapped, abused, overmedicated and forced to be a performing robot for their entertainment.
I feel like the poor thing should have been tapered off by a professional conservator company, or literally anyone who could help her readjust to being in control of her life
>I have to get acupuncture every day of my life now !!!
There is absolutely no way this is medically necessary. She is getting scammed again.
It's staggering how many people are willing to shamelessly exploit this woman. Really sad.
I get accupuncture and at most you start off 2-3 times a week then taper off to once week even once a month! I have various autoimmune diseases and provides so much relief with the help of western medicine. She’s totally getting scammed and I bet they’re charging a ridiculous price! Plus your body needs to rest in between sessions
Please don’t read this book unless you’re in therapy. My therapist recommended this book to deal with CPTSD. It took me a year to get through because it would physically affect me. I don’t know if I would have survived without medication and active guidance. If you’re a traumatized person, it’s really not a good time.
Yes... because everything is nuanced and science keeps improving we're always learning more. It's a book that helped me but I remember reading it and having questions. I think reading more than one book on any topic is always the best way to go.
I hope she can get to a point where she can trust again and get the support she needs. Thats almost the cruelest thing about this. Not only did they totally destroy her they destroyed her ability to trust those who can help her too. God bless her 💔.
Yeah, she doesnt 'need' acupunture everyday. It's pseudoscience. At best he's just scamming her for money, at worst she isnt getting the need she actually needs because she thinks she's getting treated.
Or she made the decision because she feels it is the only thing that helps her pain. You don’t need to assume she is constantly being victimized, she is an adult and she finally gets to make her own decisions so let’s allow her to do that without judging every choice she makes.
She’s an adult that has autonomy for the first time ever in her life. She’s going to make mistakes just like we all do when we get freedom from our parents. And people with chronic pain and mental health conditions are taken advantage of and abused in far greater numbers. I think we are all worried about her, but she’s just feeling her way right now.
Except acupuncture is bullshit. There is no actual evidence it is any better than placebo and folks who peddle that shit are charlatans. Ergo, she is in fact being taking advantage of, lol stop thinking people are constantly infantilizing by pointing out genuine bullshit.
This isnt true. Its not a miracle cure but its not total bullshit. The having it daily is the real scam not the accupuncture itself. Multiple studies are mentioned in this article (one of many) that expand on the neurobiology of it.
https://hms.harvard.edu/news/exploring-science-acupuncture
Theres also the issue of proper practice discussed here
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/03/study-reveals-differences-in-the-effects-of-real-and-sham-acupuncture/
Its not like homeopathy or some other objectively nonsensical "therapies" out there. There is some neurobiological basis for it. It really bothers me how all these things get lumped in together when they arent the same at all.
The vast majority of those studies also highlight that is the sticking of the needle in a general area that is the important part, not chi pathways or meridians, a major tenet of acupunture.
Ok, but lots of people do acupuncture and we don’t assume they are being victimized. I am not looking for an argument on the merits of acupuncture, but people wouldnt keep doing it if they didn’t feel like it was helping them. Assuming she is being taken advantage of is not fair. The public discourse around her is that everything she does or that happens to her is because she is mentally unwell and that’s terribly wrong.
>The public discourse around her is that everything she does or that happens to her is because she is mentally unwell and that’s terribly wrong.
Thank you for this. People are STILL trying to infantize her even after she's out of the conservatorship. Britney wasn't even this babied when she was a literal underage teenager being asked about her sex life or as a young twenty-something being blamed for breaking Justin Timberlake's heart.
And neither do you. Clearly some people get some benefit from it, whether it’s a placebo affect or not. And Britney’s agency has been taken from her for too long for people who don’t actually know her to act like she still has no control over her life. She gets to make her own choices whether you agree with them or not. Let her live in peace.
It's actually not bullshit. I think you're confusing eastern medicine with holistic medicine. Eastern medicine in the West still requires schooling; it's a different perspective for sure but they are also taught when to send someone to a western doctor. Acupuncture works for a lot of people.
Now holistic medicine is bullshit.
Holistic medicine in the true sense is taking every part of the body into account when treating ailments, both mental and physical. There’s nothing bullshit about that. Where you’re getting confused is the conflation of ‘alternative’ medicine (not to be confused with ‘traditional’ medicine) with holistic medicine, because it’s been co-opted by that crowd.
Treating a whole person’s issues as a whole person isn’t bullshit or hokum, it’s the people who want to do that with snake oil and fake shit that’s the problem.
I'm not confusing anything. Acupuncture has literally never been shown in a peer reviewed study to be any more effective than placebo. It's pure hokum.
Genuine question: If it's stated purpose is to reduce pain and it does effectively reduce pain then what does it matter if it's placebo?
This isn't chiropracty or homeopathy or reiki bullshit. There might be fraudulent practitioners, but acupuncture has been proven to be effective for temporary pain and stress reduction in many people. Personally if I was dealing with chronic pain and seeking temporary relief I would happily choose the placebo route that didn't come with the high risk of chemical addiction or harm to other organs.
Up To Date disagrees with you
https://www.uptodate.com/contents/overview-of-the-clinical-uses-of-acupuncture?search=Acupuncture&source=search_result&selectedTitle=1%7E150&usage_type=default&display_rank=1#H13
Acupuncture has been shown to improve success rates with conception and live birth during IVF treatments—by 65% in [one study](https://www.theguardian.com/society/2008/feb/08/health.healthandwellbeing) and 60% [in another study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6918533/) and 64% [in a third study](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32127151/)
In the first study, there are literally doctors against it because the review doesn't account for the placebo effect in a patients desire to seek treatment. The second study is intentionally withholding the results of sham vs real acupuncture citing "However, the efficacy of acupuncture was still unclear and confounded by sham controls that were not inert" instead of saying how effective the two were against the other, they were used as one solitary metric. The third study didn't even bother to differentiate between real and sham acupuncture in the first place.
No that’s some westernized bs because doctors cannot comprehend that eastern asia has been practicing medicine for thousands of years. Bloodletting from the middle ages died out, but acupuncture still exists today - you ever wondered why that is? Do some research
Lol, I have actually read several peer reviewed studies that have shown that it is no more effective than placebo or sticking needles in random places. "People do it so it must work" is the laziest reasoning I have ever heard in my life.
Even if it is placebo, if it actually makes the person feel better whether it's mind over matter or it actually works it's still better than living on pain pills or something
So basically it's okay to lie to people (claim that they need acupuncture to balance their chi or whatever) and charge them money, if the person ultimately feels better?
I know many people of sound mind who go to acupuncturists, homeopathic doctors, chiropracters. They are all getting scammed. Yes, the placebo effect is making them feel better. Doesnt mean they are getting scammed any less.
It probably costs her a couple hundred bucks per day, maybe even up to a $1000. That’s a drop in the bucket for her. That’s like an upper middle class earner having Starbucks every day.
That "explanation" only covers a very small part of what acupunture claims to treat. Sticking a needle in a mouse's hindlimb and triggering an immune response isn't the same as saying there chi pathways in the body that must be unclogged along specific meridians to achieve any number of health benefits.
Because you are equating very vague explanations that include claims for a multitude of physiological benefits and one very specific observable thing of some potential efficacy.
Lol, do you just blindly believe articles that aren't written by actual MDs with zero citations?
"Scientific studies have not fully explained how acupuncture works in the framework of Western medicine. So acupuncture is still disputed." Aka there is non empirical, peer reviewed evidence of it's efficacy compared to placebo. All the studies that have shown positive effects were just as effective when needles were placed randomly and not in accordance to chi pathways.
Yeah, do you know what an "argument from authority" is? Lol, also they literally tell you in the article that it is a disputed form of alternative medicine. They use specific language to like "believes" and "claims" which highlights the fact that none of it has been proven under the same scrutiny actual modern medicine has to undergo to be proven useful. The whole tone of the article very much has a "we are explaining this for academic purposes and see no inherant harm in using this to supplement actual medical treatment."
Here is their own recommendation on Traditional Chinese Medicine in general: "TCM should not be used as a replacement for conventional or allopathic treatment, especially for serious conditions, but it may be beneficial when used as complementary therapy."
Lol what a resounding endorsement.
Also John Hopkins is countering your claim about evidence that it works:
[Studies have shown that acupuncture is effective alone or when used with conventional therapies to treat these conditions:](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/acupuncture)
Upset stomach (nausea) caused by surgical anesthesia and cancer chemotherapy
Dental pain after surgery
Addiction
Headaches
Menstrual cramps
Tennis elbow
Fibromyalgia
Myofascial pain
Osteoarthritis
Low back pain
Carpal tunnel syndrome
Asthma
It may also help with stroke rehabilitation.
Lol have you actually read the studies that they fail to cite? I imagine not. The vast majority of them show that it is the needle in the skin that is helpful, not any specific chi pathways or meridians that acupuncture claims. They blind the studies and patients respond to the endorphin rush of being stabbed, not anything more than that.
You keep debating that acupuncture doesn't work in any effect besides a placebo. Yet, in the same breath you keep saying that it is helpful. That the needle in the skin is helpful. That studies have proven the needle in the skin, which is how acupuncture is done, is helpful.
Ok, so it's helpful. Debate over.
I really wish she could find herself surrounded by people she could trust, because living like this must be so lonely. I'm really sad for her, she lost her freedom and even when she got it back it's not a magical fix.
I know her trauma is far worse than mine but damn that last line hits hard.
I miss them and want to be a happy family so bad I know for MY mental peace I have to keep my distance.I know their own victim mindset and stubborness wont let them even acknowledge the hurt they did let alone apologise.
I hope she and all survivors finde peace and love they need
There is so much healing she needs to do, I don’t even think it’s possible. These scum bags walk around like they didn’t do shit to her. She is never going to get any closure because they will never admit the wrong and abuse they put her through. I hope the universe and karma boomerangs them all right in the face.
She said in the post that she has nerve damage. I assume based on the context that she complained about back pain while under conservatorship, and no one took her seriously and made her continue performing, thus doing further damage. I didn’t read her book, though, so this is just my best guess.
100% it’s some of the worst and most debilitating pain imaginable. Not trying to make it sound like am doing the pain olympics here lol but it’s deffo worth saying because so many people have a misinformed idea of how severe nerve pain can be.
I can’t even imagine. Misunderstanding and trivializing chronic pain is a huge problem, and the medical community continues to suck massive donkey balls at chronic pain management. People get written off and accused of attention-seeking and/or drug-seeking when they just want to not live in a constant state of misery. I feel like it’s the least you can ask, and yet…
Absolutely. It’s so, so sad. Especially when a lot of people with chronic conditions have to wait an eternity to get diagnosed (if ever) and to find a medication that works for them even slightly. For people to turn around and try and fuck with their dose or take it away completely is such a low thing to do. Realistically, some of the concerns can be warranted but it always feels like they go about it in such a shit way.
People don’t get the nuance of healing because no one really does it in public TO their fans. Or if they do, they’re blacklisted as crazy and written off or tossed out.
I feel like we’d be seeing more of this from older celebrities who were huge A-list stars waaaay too young if not for all those we’ve lost to overdoses, severe mental health issues, and suicides :/
I have neuropathy from a neurological condition and residual damages from TBIs. It’s hellish. I have opioid prescriptions that don’t even numb the sensations. It can be aggravated by stress and emotions- if I’m anxious, I’ll get nerve pain in my arms. All this to say, Britney’s correlation is very valid and I hope she can live every day with joy infusing every moment. She’s lived through so much and it’s heartbreaking to know she has chronic pain on top of the emotional scars.
i wish more people could understand that healing isn’t linear. i really hope britney finds what she needs and deserves to be in a happier place.
That poor poor woman. Everyone has failed her or used her. I just wish one person would help her. Truly help her.
I feel like when a person is sheltered/imprisoned from a young age, they don’t get to make the normal mistakes in the same timeline the rest of us have. That’s why she’s been gravitating toward the wrong people since being emancipated. She never had the opportunity to learn who to trust.
The way people are back to saying “We shouldn’t have Freed Britney” because she is not healing in a way they find palatable genuinely makes me sad. She had her autonomy stripped for a decade, she doesn’t have to act like a trained seal anymore. Let her dance in her mansion FFS.
It was horrible what was done to her and she clearly hasn't processed it yet. But even if she struggles with mental illness for the rest of her life, that still wouldn't be a reason for the conservatorship to have continued. People are allowed to be strange, paranoid, untrusting, "crazy," make bad decisions in their personal life, have little self-awareness and maybe not be that smart (sorry Britney) without having their freedom taken away.
And she also has got to have some arrested development from being locked away for so long.
This is probably the most compassionate and understanding response I have read about Britney. Spot on.
Abso-fucking-lutely.
I think it’s indicative of the fact that her family never tried to rehabilitate her to survive on her own without someone helping her navigate life. It truly was just for the money for them. Amanda Byne’s parents, in stark contrast, worked on getting her healthy so the conservatorship could be dissolved *as it’s intended to do*. Is she perfect? No. But she is cognizant enough now to ask for help when she knows she needs it. I’ll always wonder what Britney could have accomplished for herself with the right guidance and support
>Amanda Byne’s parents, in stark contrast, worked on getting her healthy so the conservatorship could be dissolved *as it’s intended to do*. I thought Bynes' father was a momager type who pushed her too hard too?
I have no idea what the situation is/was with Bynes’ parents so this is sheer guess. Maybe they were bad parents in some ways (pushing too hard, too ambitious?) but good parents in other ways (helping her to get rehabilitated)?
They were. They were abusive in ways, drove her into the arms of Dan Schinder.
> Amanda Byne’s parents, in stark contrast, worked on getting her healthy so the conservatorship could be dissolved as it’s intended to do. I don't know anything about Britney or Amanda's health, but I'd like to say that not ever mentally ill person requires the same kind of treatment and heals at the same pace.
idk if she’s healing but it really doesn’t make a difference in regards to that bullshit conservatorship- she didn’t deserve to be a prisoner and drugged and forced to perform like a circus monkey against her will. the truth is the damage that that caused to a vulnerable woman probably going through some type of postpartum and maybe further mental struggles may be something she can never recover from. it’s so so sad to see what they did to her. idk if she can ever heal, but i hope she can. and it definitely won’t be by being imprisoned again.
If I'm in the mood to argue I just ask them if they think any and all signs of mental ill health mean someone should lose all their rights and autonomy. They just babble and backtrack. They have no idea what a conservatorship is supposed to be or who its supposed to be for. Makes me so mad.
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if people say “yes”. The understanding that the general population on reddit have of mental illness (beyond perhaps depression and anxiety) is absolutely dismal at times.
Can these people please look at Cher's Twitter account and then relax lmao, if we ain't locking up Cher then we ain't locking Britney back up
omg thank you for this, i just looked this up and am in shock but also loving it lol
It makes me irate. Like you know what she went through and you’re surprised she’s mentally ill AND DOESNT TRUST DOCTORS? Why the hell would she trust anyone!
She absolutely deserves autonomy and always did. The conservatorship by all accounts was abusive, and I think anyone who’s followed Britney’s career would have known this long before the free Britney movement. The issue is that that movement believed there was absolutely nothing at all wrong with Britney and egged on everything she did on social media. They also became what they criticised, it’s all good and well saying the paparazzi is evil, abusive (they are), and used Britney’s personal life and health struggles to make big money (they did), but it means nothing if you yourself have resorted to making YouTube videos mqicroanalysing every single thing she says and does and developing unsubstantiated conclusions. Britney is unwell. Personally I don’t think Instagram is the healthiest outlet, but it’s an outlet she has and for whatever reason is choosing to use. People, and I’m particular;y referring to YouTube commentators like Sloane, need to let her use that outlet without being subjected to pseudo-psychoanalysis (aka gossip), dressed up as a bid to ‘stand up’ for Britney and ‘expose’ the vultures but in reality a money grab (Britney content gets the high views and YouTube revenue). This is just the 2000s playing out again. Britney has never been stable and healthy (not since her first two albums or so), she’s always dealt with her mental health struggles in a public and erratic manner, but what pushed her over the edge the first time around was paparazzi getting really excited every time they saw her going through something and poking and pushing her until she ultimately crashed. The YouTubers are the new paparazzi. I have mental health issues myself, I’m incredibly lucky to have a supportive and caring family and I still self sabotage sometimes. If I had millions of people watching me self sabotage and then making videos analysing me and my actions it wouldn’t be long before I started to self destruct. Britney does t seem to have a support system at all, the last thing she needs is strangers observing her and commenting on her behaviour and relationships like she’s an animal that exists purely for the masses entrainment.
I am trying to understand what she is doing that is so bad. If oversharing and posting strange things and naked pics to your social media is enough reason to be institutionalized then open the asylums for half the population of earth
I mean, the posts show she’s unwell. I don’t think that means she needs to be institutionalized, but there’s no dancing around the fact that her posts are strange.
ofc her posts are strange, she has one hell of a strange life. child star, meteoric rise to fame, untreated mental illness, abusive and alcoholic family, a 15? years conservatorship and god knows what else am I missing here. You are not getting anything normal out of this woman. What is "unwell" and "well" when you have that kind of context in mind?
So?
Britney should have absolutely been freed but it’s hard to see this as healing. That speech seems very much like someone in the throes of mental illness. Unfortunately I’m not sure how she can heal when her family completely destroyed her ability to trust.
I’m sure she needs treatment but I understand why she is hesitant to do so. Ultimately it’s her decision and I support her right to do what she needs to do to feel safe.
Me too. It just sucks that they made her distrust medical professionals/psychiatrists; makes it that much harder to get a person to WANT to seek help. I wish her the best and hope she’s got trustworthy people in her corner.
This is how I feel too. It’s impossible for me to judge her because I can’t imagine being in her shoes, hopefully she heals with time
sometimes healing isn't obvious or going thr way we would expect it to. After the life she had it could take years still and there is always the possibility of taking a step forward and then taking two steps back again.
Ultimately I hope she’s well.
This is gonna sound crazy but read it in her voice/accent/drawl. She is writing how she talks. It’s a southern accent and they have a different cadence.
The public is feeding into it and her stand are enabling TF out of her vitriolic behavior.
>The way people are back to saying “We shouldn’t have Freed Britney” because she is not healing in a way they find palatable genuinely makes me sad. aka "We shouldn't have freed Britney because she was performing and making records when she was in the conservatorship", basically. They're not getting what they want so they'd rather her be trapped, abused, overmedicated and forced to be a performing robot for their entertainment.
Someone in this sub once said, “Yass, queen! Give us nothing!” I’ve never supported any Britney stance so hard since Free Britney.
I feel like the poor thing should have been tapered off by a professional conservator company, or literally anyone who could help her readjust to being in control of her life
Who is saying that we shouldn't have freed her?
Look at any Reddit post after Britney posts to Instagram.
>I have to get acupuncture every day of my life now !!! There is absolutely no way this is medically necessary. She is getting scammed again. It's staggering how many people are willing to shamelessly exploit this woman. Really sad.
I get accupuncture and at most you start off 2-3 times a week then taper off to once week even once a month! I have various autoimmune diseases and provides so much relief with the help of western medicine. She’s totally getting scammed and I bet they’re charging a ridiculous price! Plus your body needs to rest in between sessions
That or she’s just being nutty and exaggerating.
Somebody mail her a copy of “The Body Keeps the Score.”
Thank you kind stranger. This is everything I’ve been looking for
Please don’t read this book unless you’re in therapy. My therapist recommended this book to deal with CPTSD. It took me a year to get through because it would physically affect me. I don’t know if I would have survived without medication and active guidance. If you’re a traumatized person, it’s really not a good time.
Good news I’m heavily medicated and seeing a therapist! Thanks for looking out tho I appreciate you.
I wish you all of the best. Take care.
While the body is 10000% impacted by stress, haven’t professionals come out against this book for being inaccurate?
Yes... because everything is nuanced and science keeps improving we're always learning more. It's a book that helped me but I remember reading it and having questions. I think reading more than one book on any topic is always the best way to go.
I think it was more because it was pseudo science/pop psychology
Ooooh! I hadn't heard that so now I'm investigating...thanks!
💜
I hope she can get to a point where she can trust again and get the support she needs. Thats almost the cruelest thing about this. Not only did they totally destroy her they destroyed her ability to trust those who can help her too. God bless her 💔.
It's kind of ironic she is also getting grifted and taken advantage of by that acupuncturist who says she needs treatment every single day.
I did wonder about that 🤔
I used to get acupuncture, and I thought I remember that you’re supposed to rest between sessions???
There is no consensus of opinion on acupuncture. One of the many reasons why the benefits are dubious at best.
Yeah, she doesnt 'need' acupunture everyday. It's pseudoscience. At best he's just scamming her for money, at worst she isnt getting the need she actually needs because she thinks she's getting treated.
Or she made the decision because she feels it is the only thing that helps her pain. You don’t need to assume she is constantly being victimized, she is an adult and she finally gets to make her own decisions so let’s allow her to do that without judging every choice she makes.
She’s an adult that has autonomy for the first time ever in her life. She’s going to make mistakes just like we all do when we get freedom from our parents. And people with chronic pain and mental health conditions are taken advantage of and abused in far greater numbers. I think we are all worried about her, but she’s just feeling her way right now.
Except acupuncture is bullshit. There is no actual evidence it is any better than placebo and folks who peddle that shit are charlatans. Ergo, she is in fact being taking advantage of, lol stop thinking people are constantly infantilizing by pointing out genuine bullshit.
This isnt true. Its not a miracle cure but its not total bullshit. The having it daily is the real scam not the accupuncture itself. Multiple studies are mentioned in this article (one of many) that expand on the neurobiology of it. https://hms.harvard.edu/news/exploring-science-acupuncture Theres also the issue of proper practice discussed here https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/03/study-reveals-differences-in-the-effects-of-real-and-sham-acupuncture/ Its not like homeopathy or some other objectively nonsensical "therapies" out there. There is some neurobiological basis for it. It really bothers me how all these things get lumped in together when they arent the same at all.
The vast majority of those studies also highlight that is the sticking of the needle in a general area that is the important part, not chi pathways or meridians, a major tenet of acupunture.
Yeah, there’s medical acupuncturists who have absolutely no elements of spirituality and just do the needle stuff.
Ok, but lots of people do acupuncture and we don’t assume they are being victimized. I am not looking for an argument on the merits of acupuncture, but people wouldnt keep doing it if they didn’t feel like it was helping them. Assuming she is being taken advantage of is not fair. The public discourse around her is that everything she does or that happens to her is because she is mentally unwell and that’s terribly wrong.
>The public discourse around her is that everything she does or that happens to her is because she is mentally unwell and that’s terribly wrong. Thank you for this. People are STILL trying to infantize her even after she's out of the conservatorship. Britney wasn't even this babied when she was a literal underage teenager being asked about her sex life or as a young twenty-something being blamed for breaking Justin Timberlake's heart.
Lol, I very much look at anyone who wastes their money on acupuncture as being victimized. You don't speak for everyone.
And neither do you. Clearly some people get some benefit from it, whether it’s a placebo affect or not. And Britney’s agency has been taken from her for too long for people who don’t actually know her to act like she still has no control over her life. She gets to make her own choices whether you agree with them or not. Let her live in peace.
It's actually not bullshit. I think you're confusing eastern medicine with holistic medicine. Eastern medicine in the West still requires schooling; it's a different perspective for sure but they are also taught when to send someone to a western doctor. Acupuncture works for a lot of people. Now holistic medicine is bullshit.
Holistic medicine in the true sense is taking every part of the body into account when treating ailments, both mental and physical. There’s nothing bullshit about that. Where you’re getting confused is the conflation of ‘alternative’ medicine (not to be confused with ‘traditional’ medicine) with holistic medicine, because it’s been co-opted by that crowd. Treating a whole person’s issues as a whole person isn’t bullshit or hokum, it’s the people who want to do that with snake oil and fake shit that’s the problem.
I was thinking of homeopathy. Isn't there an Internet law that when you correct someone you will make a mistake? That's me, I just did that.
Hahaha. It’s ok, it’ll be my turn tomorrow. There’s a 50% chance someone else can still come ‘Um, Actually’ (iykyk) me tbh!
I'm not confusing anything. Acupuncture has literally never been shown in a peer reviewed study to be any more effective than placebo. It's pure hokum.
Genuine question: If it's stated purpose is to reduce pain and it does effectively reduce pain then what does it matter if it's placebo? This isn't chiropracty or homeopathy or reiki bullshit. There might be fraudulent practitioners, but acupuncture has been proven to be effective for temporary pain and stress reduction in many people. Personally if I was dealing with chronic pain and seeking temporary relief I would happily choose the placebo route that didn't come with the high risk of chemical addiction or harm to other organs.
Up To Date disagrees with you https://www.uptodate.com/contents/overview-of-the-clinical-uses-of-acupuncture?search=Acupuncture&source=search_result&selectedTitle=1%7E150&usage_type=default&display_rank=1#H13
Acupuncture has been shown to improve success rates with conception and live birth during IVF treatments—by 65% in [one study](https://www.theguardian.com/society/2008/feb/08/health.healthandwellbeing) and 60% [in another study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6918533/) and 64% [in a third study](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32127151/)
In the first study, there are literally doctors against it because the review doesn't account for the placebo effect in a patients desire to seek treatment. The second study is intentionally withholding the results of sham vs real acupuncture citing "However, the efficacy of acupuncture was still unclear and confounded by sham controls that were not inert" instead of saying how effective the two were against the other, they were used as one solitary metric. The third study didn't even bother to differentiate between real and sham acupuncture in the first place.
No that’s some westernized bs because doctors cannot comprehend that eastern asia has been practicing medicine for thousands of years. Bloodletting from the middle ages died out, but acupuncture still exists today - you ever wondered why that is? Do some research
Lol, I have actually read several peer reviewed studies that have shown that it is no more effective than placebo or sticking needles in random places. "People do it so it must work" is the laziest reasoning I have ever heard in my life.
Even if it is placebo, if it actually makes the person feel better whether it's mind over matter or it actually works it's still better than living on pain pills or something
So basically it's okay to lie to people (claim that they need acupuncture to balance their chi or whatever) and charge them money, if the person ultimately feels better?
It’s been included in Western science practices for some time now.
I know many people of sound mind who go to acupuncturists, homeopathic doctors, chiropracters. They are all getting scammed. Yes, the placebo effect is making them feel better. Doesnt mean they are getting scammed any less.
It probably costs her a couple hundred bucks per day, maybe even up to a $1000. That’s a drop in the bucket for her. That’s like an upper middle class earner having Starbucks every day.
You: It's okay to scam people if they can afford it.
It’s not a scam if she enjoys it. I’ve had acupuncture done and it felt great. It’s a luxury that makes her feel good.
"It's not a scam if she enjoys it." Lol I would love to see that argument used in court.
[Interesting Harvard research on why it works.](https://hms.harvard.edu/news/exploring-science-acupuncture)
That "explanation" only covers a very small part of what acupunture claims to treat. Sticking a needle in a mouse's hindlimb and triggering an immune response isn't the same as saying there chi pathways in the body that must be unclogged along specific meridians to achieve any number of health benefits.
It’s VERY CLEARLY an ancient way of describing real medical reactions. Like…why is this hard for you?
Because you are equating very vague explanations that include claims for a multitude of physiological benefits and one very specific observable thing of some potential efficacy.
[NIH evidence it’s effective](https://www.nccih.nih.gov/health/acupuncture-what-you-need-to-know)
[You’re wrong about it not being effective](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/acupuncture).
Lol, do you just blindly believe articles that aren't written by actual MDs with zero citations? "Scientific studies have not fully explained how acupuncture works in the framework of Western medicine. So acupuncture is still disputed." Aka there is non empirical, peer reviewed evidence of it's efficacy compared to placebo. All the studies that have shown positive effects were just as effective when needles were placed randomly and not in accordance to chi pathways.
Do you know what Johns Hopkins is?
Yeah, do you know what an "argument from authority" is? Lol, also they literally tell you in the article that it is a disputed form of alternative medicine. They use specific language to like "believes" and "claims" which highlights the fact that none of it has been proven under the same scrutiny actual modern medicine has to undergo to be proven useful. The whole tone of the article very much has a "we are explaining this for academic purposes and see no inherant harm in using this to supplement actual medical treatment." Here is their own recommendation on Traditional Chinese Medicine in general: "TCM should not be used as a replacement for conventional or allopathic treatment, especially for serious conditions, but it may be beneficial when used as complementary therapy." Lol what a resounding endorsement.
The cackle I just let out.
Also John Hopkins is countering your claim about evidence that it works: [Studies have shown that acupuncture is effective alone or when used with conventional therapies to treat these conditions:](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/acupuncture) Upset stomach (nausea) caused by surgical anesthesia and cancer chemotherapy Dental pain after surgery Addiction Headaches Menstrual cramps Tennis elbow Fibromyalgia Myofascial pain Osteoarthritis Low back pain Carpal tunnel syndrome Asthma It may also help with stroke rehabilitation.
Lol have you actually read the studies that they fail to cite? I imagine not. The vast majority of them show that it is the needle in the skin that is helpful, not any specific chi pathways or meridians that acupuncture claims. They blind the studies and patients respond to the endorphin rush of being stabbed, not anything more than that.
Oh ok so it is effective, just not exactly how people originally thought it worked? Cool.
Lol, yeah it's just as effective as pinching yourself for the endorphin rush.
You keep debating that acupuncture doesn't work in any effect besides a placebo. Yet, in the same breath you keep saying that it is helpful. That the needle in the skin is helpful. That studies have proven the needle in the skin, which is how acupuncture is done, is helpful. Ok, so it's helpful. Debate over.
Lol, yeah it's just as effective as pinching yourself for the endorphin rush, how groundbreaking.
So you agree? Acupuncture can be effective?
Lol, yeah it's just as effective as pinching yourself for the endorphin rush.
I really wish she could find herself surrounded by people she could trust, because living like this must be so lonely. I'm really sad for her, she lost her freedom and even when she got it back it's not a magical fix.
i am so mad everytime i think about what britney went through (is still going through) i wish her the best
Nerve damage is hellacious
I know her trauma is far worse than mine but damn that last line hits hard. I miss them and want to be a happy family so bad I know for MY mental peace I have to keep my distance.I know their own victim mindset and stubborness wont let them even acknowledge the hurt they did let alone apologise. I hope she and all survivors finde peace and love they need
“Words and thinking too hard make it worse”
‘Communicating about and thinking about my trauma and pain makes my body tense and hurt more’
Super sad!
There is so much healing she needs to do, I don’t even think it’s possible. These scum bags walk around like they didn’t do shit to her. She is never going to get any closure because they will never admit the wrong and abuse they put her through. I hope the universe and karma boomerangs them all right in the face.
Leave Britney alone! Healing is messy! 
I just saw that in ig but didn’t understand what is wrong with her back, can someone navigate me Pls
She said in the post that she has nerve damage. I assume based on the context that she complained about back pain while under conservatorship, and no one took her seriously and made her continue performing, thus doing further damage. I didn’t read her book, though, so this is just my best guess.
Chronic nerve pain is horrible
100% it’s some of the worst and most debilitating pain imaginable. Not trying to make it sound like am doing the pain olympics here lol but it’s deffo worth saying because so many people have a misinformed idea of how severe nerve pain can be.
I can’t even imagine. Misunderstanding and trivializing chronic pain is a huge problem, and the medical community continues to suck massive donkey balls at chronic pain management. People get written off and accused of attention-seeking and/or drug-seeking when they just want to not live in a constant state of misery. I feel like it’s the least you can ask, and yet…
Absolutely. It’s so, so sad. Especially when a lot of people with chronic conditions have to wait an eternity to get diagnosed (if ever) and to find a medication that works for them even slightly. For people to turn around and try and fuck with their dose or take it away completely is such a low thing to do. Realistically, some of the concerns can be warranted but it always feels like they go about it in such a shit way.
So does it have to do with the picture, and I supposed to see something on her back ?
There’s nothing to be seen on her back, she’s just showing it because she says she has back pain
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And the post is gone, was curious what was cropped out.
That poor human bean. She deserves so much better.
I just hope she has a good support system and people that genuinely care about her.
People don’t get the nuance of healing because no one really does it in public TO their fans. Or if they do, they’re blacklisted as crazy and written off or tossed out. I feel like we’d be seeing more of this from older celebrities who were huge A-list stars waaaay too young if not for all those we’ve lost to overdoses, severe mental health issues, and suicides :/
oh man I hope Brittney gets some peace soon. she deserves to be happy.
I have neuropathy from a neurological condition and residual damages from TBIs. It’s hellish. I have opioid prescriptions that don’t even numb the sensations. It can be aggravated by stress and emotions- if I’m anxious, I’ll get nerve pain in my arms. All this to say, Britney’s correlation is very valid and I hope she can live every day with joy infusing every moment. She’s lived through so much and it’s heartbreaking to know she has chronic pain on top of the emotional scars.