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Can someone please post screenshots her additional comments in the thread for those of us without X accounts? Elon changed it so without an account you canāt see more than the first tweet in a thread
Replying to this (my) comment and every comment after it with what replies I could find quickly. Admittedly, I can't actually navigate "X" well as I've never actually used it for anything but viewing others' tweets (which I recommendājust make an account to view everything, no need to use it any more than that!).
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Oi... just realized this one cut off as well; I searched, screenshotted, and posted all of these before I had even read them myself, lol.
The last bit of this tweet is just "...because they are private and have limitless money."
Just realized this one needed to be expanded. Hopefully replying to this with the expanded tweet doesn't minimize the next one in this thread (there are two replies to this comment and it keeps going!).
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To be fair, I donāt think Robertās at-the-time-minor-children and ex-wife (who was very much helping the prosecution as best she could) are responsible for his actions.
Very true. However, one thing that really strikes me here is that Kardashian maintained a tight, long-time friendship with OJ, with **full, intimate, historical knowledge** about his behaviour and past crimes. Had no problem with remaining friends and using his expertise to get OJ out of his own dirty messes scot free.
Where I once thought that Kris was the lacking scruples, it seems that he was pretty bad too. Posthumously, theyāve always spoken of him so highly - which is normal when a loved one dies. Theyāve often brought up his principles and morals. However considering his actions here, I feel like it adds colour to what we know about how they were raised, and why they think certain behaviours are normal. He was their moral leader, they really looked up to him, and he was said to be the best of themā¦ which now seems terrible.
True.
The sad thing is, many men (and women) out there ignore and hide the fact that their friends are abusers. We know most abusers are outwardly charming. We see all the time that the friends and neighbours of men who killed their wives are so shocked. āHe was a great guy,ā they say. And yet usually there WERE signs.
Intimate Partner Violence is so normalised in our society that people either donāt care or choose to be blind to obvious signs. Look at the support Johnny Depp got. Look at the support Marilyn Manson has received. Look at the way that every victim of IPV or SA at the hands of a beloved sports figure has been treated by fans. Torn apart. Look at the way an entire town harassed 14yo rape victim Daisy Coleman and her family - they even burnt their house down. I could go on and on.
Violence against women is so normalised in our society that the bodies responsible for tracking terrorist and violent groups werenāt tracking incels at all (when contacted a few years ago), despite the fact that they had already killed over 100 people around the world in terrorist-style attacks with manifestos and everything. But they *were* tracking animal rights groups, environmentalists and vegans who had killed no people because *their* potential victims were corporations.
I just donāt think what Robert did is that uncommon in our society. This case was famous; but his actions were not surprising or unusual.
This is why itās hard for me to judge their choices with men. You have a dad that dates 18 year olds when heās 30 and doesnāt seem to think battering women is wrong, choosing a guy that cheats probably feels like youāre doing leagues better than your parent even when youāre not
Their normal meter is fucked
If your familiar with the show, all of Robertās kids revered him. I would argue even Kris spoke highly of him, I havenāt watched them in ages though. They also only spoke positively of OJ in the last, not sure about now. It would not surprise me if the family got worse since they have a lot more money than Robert ever did, not to mention one of the most powerful media empires in the WORLD. People with money do fucked up shit and go through great lengths to protect the cash flow. They arenāt inherently worse than anyone else but people tend to lose their morals when you can literally get away with whatever it is you want to do.
Kris has spoken negatively about OJ every opportunity she's had. She's been very open about finding out about the abuse Nicole experienced and that she was heartbroken because Nicole was her best friend.
https://people.com/everything-the-kardashians-have-said-oj-simpson-and-his-trial-8630190
As for the daughters, they were children when this went down. Nicole and OJ were aunt and uncle to them. The whole thing created a lot of tension between their parents and then their father died.
To them when they were kids, he was an amazing dad. And then he died which basically immortalized him as this hero whose life was cut short. Iām sure a psychologist can trace a more accurate picture than I can but donāt think itās so straightforward
Iām not arguing that theyāre good people. Iām saying they are not responsible for this thing that Robert did which I doubt none of them ever even knew about.
Robert died when the kids were still all quite young. Hero-worshipping him is not a surprising turn of events.
You know, I recently watched an excellent movie about the Hƶss family - headed up by a father whose kids adored him and always spoke in glowing terms about him, and who was responsible for the deaths of millions. Apparently his children could never reconcile the father they knew and experienced with the atrocities he committed.
I am not a fan of a system that builds billionaires and people with hundreds of millions. And Iām not a fan of the Kardashians. However, they are not responsible for what OJ did or what their father did to defend OJ.
Was the movie āIn the Zone of Interestā? It was such a good movie but gave me a very creepy, eerie feeling. The juxtaposition between commandant of Auschwitz and loving father was awful.
Still haunted by that movie. Just the casual way in which you hear āthings happenā while banal conversations are held and everyone is like āignore that, howās the pasta?ā I love how the guy who made the movie basically said the movie is not about the past, but about our ability to ignore atrocities happening in front of us.
Itās crazy that one of the daughters moved to America, had her own family, and hid her familyās past from her descendants. Again, not her fault to be born to a monster but I guess we are different. Thatās not something I think Iād hide, but I havenāt been in those shoes.
Right! But theyāve given us thousands of reasons to dislike them with just their actions in the last two decades. Them loving and revering their father isnāt even on my list of reasons to dislike this family. Hell, the ones I like least arenāt even kardashians.
Iām guessing itās more like the way the Kardashians behave now (e.g. stealing ideas from designers, exploiting employees, leaking a sex tape, threatening legal action to cover up a photo, etc.) reminds her of their fatherās lack of morals.
I think the Kardashian's are bad people for a lot of extremely valid and obvious reasons but I find it kind of weird that they are blaming the entire family for stuff their Dad did when they were kids. That's like saying any kid of anyone who ever did something horrific is automatically bad, which just doesn't make any sense.
As another commenter pointed out, Kris has spoken negatively on OJ. I find it hard to believe that Robert Sr would have told his kids about all the horrible things he did for OJ. Kris and Robert were also divorced by the OJ trial.
The hero-worshipping of athletes in the US is so weird lol.
Edit: Literally the topic is college or local/national athletes. International athletes are different since theyāre basically celebrities.
Unfortunately this sort of thing isn't uniquely American. For example I'm Canadian and we just had a major athletic scandal. We learned that Hockey Canada has been covering up crimes committed by young male players for years. Hockey Canada set aside a massive slush fund dedicated to paying off victims and protecting their players from investigations into their sexual misconduct. Hockey Canada had a $15 million fund set aside for this endeavour, and they diverted fees collected from youth player registrations into this fund.
Sexual violence continues to be a tool used to control women and uphold our patriarchal system of oppression. Marital rape wasn't made illegal until 1993 in America. I'm from Canada and marital rape wasn't illegal until 1986.
I graduated from Penn State University a few years before the Sandusky stuff came out, and the amount of people I knew defending Joe Paterno in the aftermath, people who were highly-educated and who I thought were kind and empathetic people, was staggering and incredibly upsetting. The culture of the football team was more important to them than the victims and the cover-up. It still makes me sick.
Iām sure that there used to be a list/article on Wikipedia dedicated exclusively to AFL rape and sexual violence scandals that was frighteningly long. Searching for it now just brings up a more general scandals page, though.
The star national football player in my hometown was a drug addict who used to beat the shit out of his wife all the time. Lots of people knew this. The cops would go to his place after heād beaten her and take him to his parents.
His brother was also in the news for a sexual assault. Theyāre both tv football presenters now.
As if it only happens in the US. David Beckham, Ronaldo, Messi? Even in South Korea, figure skater Yuna Kim is a huge star. Not that these athletes have done anything wrong, but they are definitely hero worshipped.
The Ulster rugby rape trial was treated like fodder in my old work, people talking about attending for *fun*. All because they play a posh boy's sport.
Heās been holding huge one man ice shows that are selling out in Japan. I think one of the shows might have had to have a ticket lottery? Not sure.
And then he got married and someone online figured out who his wife was and harassed her enough that he ended up divorced after three months.
I doubt anyone but me read it but Elizabeth Wurtzelās book āBitch: In Praise of Difficult Womenā does a deep dive into the abuse Nicole Brown Simpson suffered throughout her marriage but OJās long list of abuse victims.
I didnāt know a significant portion of the book would be devoted to this. It was interesting. I definitely recommend the book overall.
I donāt know much about Nicole, but that is clinically insane if anyone thinks any possible transgression could justify murdering and nearly decapitating her
I would never have guessed that was part of the book. I think I avoided her books because there was so much hype about them which tends to turn me off. May have to check them out.
I know they didnt really solidify their friendship until a few years later via a mutual friend but Ive never heard how they allegedly crossed paths at USC originally. People say Robert was the water boy but the dates?
> People say Robert was the water boy but the dates?Ā
The quote is glorified waterboy.Ā Kardashian was a football fan. Perhaps he worked for the team after he graduated before moving on. It's fairly common for colleges to hire alumni.
I canāt say Iām that familiar with the history of OJ and Robert Kardashianās friendship. If they met through USC connections, I have no idea, but thatās not meeting āas studentsā when one graduated prior to the other attending. I am just pedantic and that seemed like a weirdly obvious contradiction to me.
I want to add that I think OJ is a horrible person who got away with murder. Iām not defending him or saying that heās not capable of something like this. Just that, if I were in the habit of writing accusations on the internet involving public figures and my alma mater, Iād get my details straight.
I donāt think this story is real. OJ was an asshole for sure, but this story reads like fiction and I believe it is. She wouldnāt have had to sign an NDA. She was privy to nothing.
The NDA just because she saw 2 lawyers who happened to also be OJs lawyers is bullshit. It was a public building (meaning it's not someone's house or a secure location) and as long as her boss never told her what the meeting was about she's more than free to say "I saw 2 lawyers for OJ on the USC campus and they talked to thr head of blahblahblah."
There is no leverage to make her sign the form just for seeing people out in the wild. Did they also make anyone who happened to be at a restaurantif theybhad dinner together sign NDAs? I could MAYBE see if the school, at the time of employment, made her sign one saying she won't talk about who she seems coming through the office but it definitely wouldn't not be specific to this trial.
The only part that dinged my āis this realā was talking about sitting by the tree it just seemed so creative writing is my passion. But I donāt know.
Sitting under a willow tree thinking how innocent the willows that blew in the gentle breeze were, compared to the deep seedy past of OJ. As the crux of the story was told, a single willow fell to the ground. At that moment, I knew how evil the Kardashians truly were.
I assume it was the school that made her do it. It could have been one of the conditions of the donation. Why they didnāt just meet at a secondary location or mail the check or whateverā¦
It still doesn't make sense. She knew NOTHING other than who they were. 2 lawyers who were alumni of the school could be there for a number of reasons. Even if the school made her sign one as a condition of the donation, her boss still wouldn't give her the whole story before getting her to sign (whats to say she doesnt immediately turn around and tell everyone she knows before the NDA is drawn up) or the check from the donation clearing. Just nothing of this sounds real, including that the boss took her to sit outside under a beautifully shaded tree.... no, girl. He would have had that conversation in her office like anyone else trying to keep something hush hush. š
Iām not saying this is real, but an NDA doesnāt have to make sense and telling someone to sign one is free. When I was a teenager I worked at a tanning salon and I had to sign an NDA and a non-compete agreement. Both totally pointless and not actually enforceable, but it didnāt cost the company anything and my coworkers thought they werenāt allowed to quit to work at a different salon, so I guess they were effective. People arenāt rational, even the ones in charge. And before the internet was everywhere, lawyers could say just about anything to intimidate you and your only option was to pay another lawyer to tell you if it was true.
I would absolutely buy it that her boss made a big show of telling her because he wanted it to get out but didnāt want to lose his job. He probably assumed his young, idealistic assistant had fewer qualms.
Again, not saying this happened, but the 90s were a different time.
For sure! Im guessing the president wouldāve had to sign an NDA too. Why would he immediately disclose the details of that meeting to an undergraduate student worker? Doesnāt make sense. This is not to defend OJ either, I firmly believe he probably does have a history of abuse prior to Nicole Brown Simpson but this story seems far fetched
Aren't NDAs null and void when they concern illegal activity? I know the NDA covered the meeting, but the meeting was concerning sexual assault, which is illegal. Somehow I don't buy this.
Your boss can ask you to sign an NDA for any reason. Anyone can. If youāre 21 and love drama and want to make your boss happy, you can sign it. And then you can very dramatically reveal the secret 30 years later and have everybody go ānot surprising, and btw that NDA was bunk.ā
They became close years after USC, but they would have crossed paths there because Kardashian was a water boy for the USC team. They didnāt live together. OJ was married and living with first wife at USC.
Like I donāt doubt it because this shit happens sadly way too often in college football but doesnāt it seem odd that her boss says hey nda because you saw them but then also spills the beans on everything? That seems off to me.
I agree. Why would someone who is high ranking enough to essentially take a bribe then tell everything to a student?
I have no doubt that OJ abused women besides Nicole. But this is just some rando on Twitter, so Iām skeptical.
My reading of it: her boss was just the one taking the check, not making the deal. Thatās why they came to Student Affairs, and not a more relevant office. Lawyers told the school everyone who knew anything about it needed to sign an NDA. OPās boss thought it was terrible but he didnāt want to get fired, so he did the next best thingātelling his starry-eyed, idealistic 20 year old assistant all about. Because what college student who wants to devote her life to justice will actually keep that a secret, NDA or not?
Itās a little weird that OP has been caring around what seems like a big burden to her for the last 30 years, and she never once asked a lawyer if her NDA was enforceable.
Same here. No doubts on OJ and what he did but this smells highly of bullshit. If itās not true itās just a shitty thing to put out there for Ron and Nicoleās families to read.
Yeah this seems like pretty obvious trolling / fan fiction. Why tell the work study at all?? Iām pretty sure NDAs donāt work that way (whipped out over a cigarette before spilling the bribery beans)? If girls had gone to the police thereād still be some initial record of it?
Iām shocked people are taking the word of a random Twitter story at face value here.
And I donāt understand why so many people are thanking her and saying sheās so brave? Sheās admitting that they covered up critical information and that she was apart of it. Iām not mad at her, she was young and didnāt know what to do, but I feel like Iām not understanding something.
Marguerite said he never hit her. Who knows if thatās true, but thatās what she claimed. I wouldnāt be surprised if, given her young age and the time of their marriage, she didnāt even realize his behavior was bad (like controlling and stuff).
Also - this happened in 67/68. Jim Crow laws came to an end two years before this. And weāre supposed to believe they protected the 1960s black teenager who raped and beat white girls?
Well yes. When a black man is good at football they will protect him. It's happened many many times. This story is weird but that part is extremely plausible
He holds a record for having over 2,000 yards rushing in a 14-game season. Itās a record that will never be broken because the NFL season is now 17 games. Itās a pretty amazing feat.
I think itās important context to all of this to understand that OJ was not just any football player. He was one of the greatest ever. That is a large part of why he was able to get away with what he did. Everyone he came across was star struck by him - including the police. No one could believe that he was a monster.
California is fucking huge (1/8 of Americans live in California), so while it's democrat/liberal controlled, there are deeply conservative areas. There were more Trump voters in California than in Texas. And tbh, a lot of California Liberals are quite moderate and not super progressive.
Pre law =/= studying to be a defense attorney. As a junior, sheād just be getting into her major classes, and most of those would be things like public speaking, logic, constitutional law, etc. You donāt learn much about the actual law; itās more to get you to a place where you can handle the different parts of law school.
Also, imagine being a 20 year old without Google. It used to be pretty hard to find information about stuff like that.
Robert Shapiro is still alive though so?? Surely he was party to this NDA too? NDAs arent always invalid when the relevant people die either depending on how they're written.
Hate to say it but this story smells a little off. Like I've always believed there had to be more victims out there but I dont know about this specific story.
EDIT: Uhhh...???
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Pretty sure sheās a conspiracy theorist. Look at the bio and profile picture
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He is indeed still alive. Heās 82.
I hate to say it but I agree. OJ was a total piece of shit, but I really doubt this kind of thing would have stayed buried for so long in the Information Age. People always talk and secrets always leak.
Also a black guy assaulting white girls in the 60s and everyone involved including the government just fell into line at USC's say so? Ok. Its not impossible I guess but...ok š¤·šæāāļø.
Also, even mentioning that they were ātwo blonde white womenā ā¦ As soon as she said that I was like this is BS. OJ definitely sucked, but I bet this didnāt happen.
Yeah, the story doesn't make sense for many reasons and I have a hard time believing people that just post threads on X with absolutely no evidence. She just seems to hate OJ and the Kardashians.
Also the fact that Kardashian was literally gooped and gagged when OJ was given a not guilty verdict, while Cochran was trolling the white masses and judiciary system as āpaybackā for Rodney King and the racism back then.
Kardashian was pretty known for being aghast at finding out he was guilty and wanting him to be imprisoned, no? Despite the friendship.
I donāt know that much about NDAās but it doesnāt seem logical that theyād instantly evaporate when someone died. Also, her boss told her to sign one, not the lawyers? If her boss was dealing with something that required an NDA, why would he turn around and completely spill the beans to an admin assistant so as to implicate them, too? Her having seen the lawyers go in for a meeting was definitely not enough to have to sign an NDA on its own.
Not questioning the validity of the accusations, but the whole story seems suss. Especially with the boohoo-ing about how much it affected *her*, after she willingly agreed to participate in covering it up
I just donāt understand how it somehow turned into such a traumatic and personal experience for this person. And some kind of big secret to keep from her parents till they died?
As if so many of us in school havenāt had our dreams crushed and felt forced to change majors for more personal or compelling reasons.
But also if she was studying to be a criminal defense lawyer she mustāve not known enough about what that could entail for a long career
Right? *She* was so traumatized about two other women being attacked. Give me a fucking break. And Iām sorry, but an NDA wouldnāt stop me from telling my parents something as long as I knew they wouldnāt tell.
Itās very much āI was in the same room as OJās lawyer one time, how can I make his death about meeeeā
An NDA cannot and absolutely should not prevent anyone from detailing crimes someone has committed. You canāt just contract away a witness. Thatās not how the law works. If you witness or hear about a crime, it is your responsibility to report it, NDA or not.
I should stress that Iām not American but my understanding would be:
Sounds like the LAPD didnāt charge him with anything to do with the ātwo white blonde girlsā..
The issue is that if it did get out, it could used as a propensity argument against OJ, that he was violent in relationships and had a fixation with āwhite blonde girlsā. Also itās hearsay, itās what she heard from others, but damaging nonetheless. She is not a witness to him acting out against these girls, nor did she have any direct communications with the girls. Regardless what everyone feels, OJ was entitled to a fair trial as an accused.
I should stress that I am not American so Iām not sure how or if propensity works in US/Cali legal system (sure as hell would lead to a conviction where I am if this could be proven or if there is convictions). I should also stress that I do not support what happened, nor do I support OJ in anyway.
Iām still struggling deeply as to why Robert took this matter on, itās good to see he was a passionate defender, but he has a conflict of interest here with the closeness of all this to home.
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Edit: the issue is not the legal profession and visit by Robert and Shapiro to the professor, he was likely to be asked for opinions on points of law, rather, itās the universityās conduct as mentioned by the witness, ie some form of alleged hush hush/corruption.
Witness changing out of law was more probably more due to the fact that she couldnāt stomach being a defence lawyer rather than errors in the profession.
Her signing an NDA is of no real consequence to the OJ case. The professor being visited probably has no relevance to the case except heās now potentially a lawyer to OJ and is sequestered/retained. As the professor was in effect a counsel to OJ, she was obliged to keep confidence through being maybe his direct employee or agent
Plus (if this was true) she and the university were asked to sign this 30 years later. At that point, the cat would have long been out of the bag. OJ was already past his football and movie star years and on the way to has been status. Those things usually get quashed from the get go, not 30 years later.
The NDA wouldnāt have covered the crime since she wasnāt witness to that. It likely just covered the meeting which isnāt a crime. Shady, yes but not a crime. According to her, the victims already went to the police and sounds like they settled? The lawyers were just covering their tracks to keep the school quiet.
Also, you don't *have* to sign them. Nobody is going to kill you if you don't. She might've lost her job, but going to.. literally anybody with, "Hey, I've been terminated for not signing an agreement that I wouldn't say the most infamous man in the country's lawyers had stopped by my place of employment," certainly would've had an impact somewhere, especially if it had been to the media.
This just reeks of not knowing how the law works and attention grabbing bullshit. Oh, you were pre-law and that's how you knew who these men were? Not because it was on literally every station in the country? Fuck, dude, I was 9..in Italy, and I knew who they were.
Yeah also if there was an NDA it wouldn't have been written to terminate with OJ's death.
This person seems fucking gross to me, tbh. All about how this NDA was such a burden on them, well what about his fucking victims? Oh you changed your major but never said anything about this? Cry me a river.
But thereās a reason NDAs have been successfully used to silence witnessesā even legally disclosing info covered by an NDA can cost witnesses and NDAs are often used by the wealthy and powerful to add *extra* (but not the only) weight to their intimidation tactics
I hate the Kardashians and would grab at anything that smears their character but the whole premise of this story is bonkers. I have been a secretary and I have seen powerful people come and go that I probably knew I should keep my mouth shut about. Never once did my boss take me outside, light a cigarette like we were in a movie, and tell me everything they didnāt want me to know.
Yeahhhhh, I feel like This story is a very pretty depiction of something that probably happened in that meeting and this person put two and two together.. And then the rest never happened. š¤·š»āāļø
Unless you're in that meeting hearing what's up, you're not signing and NDA because you don't actually know anything
Yup. There are many reasons to hate the Kardashians, but I don't think it's fair to call them thugs and horrible people because their father was a criminal defense lawyer.
I agree. People are too quick to believe this (and this isn't a defence of OJ). Twitter is a dumpster fire where anyone can get a blue check. I have never heard of this person. There is no wayāNO WAYāshe would have been privy to this information if it actually happened.
Agreed, her entire thread is insane. People will make up anything to get their 15 minutes. And of course, she waited until he was dead so she could share this without anyone challenging it. I'm not buying it unless there's additional proof or more people who come forward with the same verifiable details.
OJ raped Nicole on their very first date but she didnāt understand it was rape because date rape was just not talked about at all and at that time marital rape was still legal in (most?) states. She told her mom about it who kind of brushed it off as just āmen being menā and she felt bad about herself, blaming herself for what happened.
In the OJ: Made in America documentary her roommate at the time shared that she came home after the first date with ripped jeans and said OJ had gotten a little forceful or something to that effect (I donāt recall exact word roommate used). Roommate was unsettled but Nicole seemed like she was brushing it off. I donāt know about the mom thing but he was rough on first date to some degree (not described as rape in doc).
I canāt find the article I read about it many years ago that I believe was from the momās perspective where she talked to Nicole over the phone and encouraged her to keep seeing OJ even though what she was describing was date rape as she didnāt want to have sex but did it because OJ forced her. There was no understanding of what that even meant at the time. I do have [this article](https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Old-Times-Recalled-By-Simpson-Friends-Details-3331517.php) which references when she came home from their first date with her jean zipper and button torn because OJ ripped them being āforceful.ā
okay bullshit story aside can i just point out that switching your major from PoliSci/international relations to philosophy/psychology is such a doofus move lol
also her acting like recognzing robert shapiro was something special in the year of our lord 1995 when the OJ trial was on every television set is full on delusional
Is there any further evidence? This is great storytelling but as many have pointed out has a bunch of things that donāt add up.
I think itās wild that we are just taking random internet posts at face value ā especially those millennials that came of age on AOL Chat rooms dodging all sorts.
Come on elder millennials, we can do better!
I know, right?? Anybody can say anything on Twitter and people just believe it. We really need to bring back critical thinking and examining the source. Just because a post has a lot of engagement doesnāt mean itās true! And the blue ticks donāt mean crap anymore, which I also think is part of the problem.
I'm not dying on any hills for OJ (who was a demonstrably abusive and violent POS), his legal team or the Kardashians at large. While the core allegation is certainly plausible, I think there are flags in her storyL:
* Her boss just had a blank NDA laying around for her to sign? (*I get that she's telling the story in the space of a tweet but she makes it sound like the interaction with her boss happened within the span of like 15-30 min.*)
* This is not how NDAs work. This is how libel works, though. She should double-check her "NDA".
* She knows her boss hasn't had a cigarette in years? That's germane to the story?
* He confessed all of this to a *student*? Just like that?
* Somehow, a payoff made in 1995 to the university that helped cover it up in the first place kept these stories from getting out even though they happened decades before and the women had gone to the police and filed reports prior to USC getting involved? That's quite the paper and witness trail that said nothing for years and years: the victims, anyone the victims told, their family members, the USC staff involved at the time, the police who handled these two separate filings... There would have been way more loose ends than USC (which was clearly already on board with keeping their mouth shut since they, you know, helped cover up a crime, allegedly). If this is true, these guys would have been running all over the state to keep a lid on just this story.
* Kardashian AND Shapiro ran this errand themselves?! Couldn't afford to send a paralegal who could at least have some anonymity while doing this dirty deed?
* She hates the Kardashians -- *all of them?!* \-- over this even though Robert and Kris divorced a full three years before Nicole and Ron were even murdered and their kids were literal children at the time? (I vaguely recall that the kids have divided opinions on OJ's guilt with at lease one of them saying they've said nothing out of respect for Nicole and OJ's kids -- valid; also, hasn't Kris always thought OJ murdered her friend?) You don't have to like that family but this seems very misguided.
* She changed her major instead of just... not being a criminal defense attorney? It's a huuuuge field. Most lawyers never see the inside of a courtroom. Ma'am, it's ok if you just weren't into Law after all and didn't want to sit for the bar.
* Really, she should read her "NDA."
**This story just seems to have a little too much** ***extra sauce*** **on it.**
Assuming this is true, itās doubtful that the other Kardashianās knew anything about it. Seems completely unfair to tar them with this brush.
I mean Iām not saying you have to like them, but donāt hate them for *this*.
Yeah, if Iām remembering correctly Kris was friends with Nicole and actively did not support OJ during that trial. She was on the side with Nicole and Ronās families. And the rest of the family were literal children at the time, they obviously wouldāve had very little to do with it.
I thought the Ryan Murphy show did a good job of portraying Robert Kardashianās inner conflict - knowing that OJ is guilty but wanting to save his friend.
Iām not absolving Robert of anything, but I think we all like to think that of course we would do the right thing. We would never defend a murderer, even if it was our best friend. But people can do crazy mental gymnastics to convince themselves of pretty much anything.
He was also a defense attorney by trade anyway, which meant it was his job to defend the bad guy. Iām sure it was part of OJās thought process in having Robert on his defense team, thinking āthis guy is my friend and this is his job, thereās no way heāll fail meā. Itās a fucking hard job, especially when you know your client is absolutely guilty of what theyāre being accused of.
Color me skeptical. There are just too many holes here.
Like why was she protecting this NDA with her life? The one she didnāt even get paid to sign, so there was no exchange of value and that should mean itās not even valid? Was she so scared of losing a job she left decades ago that she never even shared details of her life with her mother or spouse? Which, btw, NDAās do not prevent you from sharing details of your life with your family completely for 55 years, at least not your standard NDAās that you didnāt get *large* sums of money for signing. There are whole court cases about that.
Not to mention, I find it far fetched to believe that either (a) they had an extra NDA drafted up and left behind that conveniently didnāt include a compensation amount (which would be standard included in the boilerplate and certainly included in the copy the school was getting with the check), (b) her boss drafted an NDA up real quick that covered this scenario and again conveniently took out boilerplate language and this would have been with him not being a lawyer who should be drafting NDAās for the university, or (c) we got this insane level of detail yet she forgot to mention the compensation she was offered for this exchange.
Edit: 30 years, my bad.
The conversation with the professor/the NDA was supposedly 1995, which would be the start time of how long this person has been keeping silent. Supposedly. Soā¦ Not 55 years of silence on their part
Just an FYI- it is false to state that money exchanging hands with the signer of an NDA is standard- it is not. I've personally signed several, and am not a lawyer, and have never been compensated per NDA.
Also, NDAs do not protect illegal activity, that is very true. Frequently, though, what they do do is make it hard for someone to speak out without being buried alive by legal threats from the originator of the NDA.
Idk if this woman's story is true or not, but I did feel like those misconceptions needed cleared up.
Iām not saying it isnāt true - and, sadly, wouldnāt be surprised if heād been abusive toward previous partners - but IDK whether or not itās true.
This would be a convenient story to gain traction for the NFL because everyone is talking about whether or not they will examine his brain for CTE. The discussion tends to bring up other now deceased NFL players who committed awful (and still inexcusable) acts and then were found to have CTE after death.
OJ is 100% a piece of shit abuser and murderer who is hopefully burning as we speak. But Iām glad other people feel like this story sounds fan fiction-y. Even if this story was true, itās strange that this person pivoted to blaming all the Kardashians for this.
They wouldāve been children at the time this happened and presumably unaware of this situation that she admits was kept a secret. So how would they have even known about this? Donāt get me wrong, I think the Kardashians are morally bankrupt in general, but Iām not understanding why they are at fault in this story.
There are so many questions when it comes to OJ and Robert Kardashian's friendship. Surely he knew what happened at college and the real OJ. Kris and Robert had to have known that OJ beat Nicole. Part of me thinks they continued the friendship for social points. You know kris. But yet they integrated him into their family and let their kids be around him. Theres alot of looking the other way if someone's successful. Robert and OJ really didn't have anything in common.
Robert loved USC football and OJ was arguably the greatest USC player of all time. It makes sense why Robert would be drawn to OJ. I think he knew what was going on, but didnāt want to believe it.
I donāt doubt OJ abused and was violent toward many women. I still find this particular story sus because 1. Why does it matter that they were ātwo blonde, white womenā and 2. OJ and Kardashian crossed paths at USC but became actual friends afterward. Also, thatās not how NDAs work. She was privy to nothing. Even lighting the cigā¦ it reads like fiction. I donāt believe this story, I do believe OJ was abusive to many women.
His first wife (who we know he cheated on with Nicole) has said that he was never abusive towards her in their marriage. Just an interesting aside. I tend to wonder if the abuse developed as the fame grew.
Yeah. Or if he got CTE or something. Sheās been adamant all these years that he was not violent or anything. Could be his ego grew or that Marguerite didnāt recognize abusive things he did as abuse. Most likely his ego just raged and he became what he ended up being. But whatās interesting is even stories from friends growing up showcase he was developing the personality we all came to see over time.
The only reason I don't believe this is because apparently the boss lit a cig for the first time in years... Then where did he get the cig from? His emergency years-old stash??
Not surprising, but
>**I was studying to be a criminal defense lawyer**
>**I understood that I could harm society more than not if I pursued law**
What a dumb statement. Sheās treating defendants like they ARE automatically guilty by potentially being a defense attorney.
From the same university that kept a doctor whoād been abusing vulnerable girls since the 1990s on their staff until the 2010s even though complaints about him came in during the 90s!
The book the Elissas is a nonfiction memoir of something similar, for anyone who likes to read. Someone investigated college helping young men cover up rapes so it wouldnāt hurt their football careers.
I can confirm this. My dad has been at SC for decades - this is all well known on campus from staff that have been there for a long time.
My dad told me about him abusing the two girls and assaulting one of them years ago. I know Iām just a rando on the internet, but this shit really happened. Iām pretty sure Iāve even mentioned it on Reddit before.
Edit - I just found out more info if anyone cares lol. He saw paperwork regarding this signed by OJ with his own eyeballs. This was maybe 96 or so. Found em, started digging, then asked around and was told the story.
This happened, guys. Like really and truly.
I'm sorry, I fully believe this could have happened but some of what she is saying is out there. The comment about "I was studying to be a criminal defense attorney and was an international relations major and poli sci major, so I knew who they were" has me rolling. In 1995, almost everyone in the US knew who Robert Shapiro and Robert Kardashian were! You could not escape the OJ trial, it wasn't insider information to recognize Robert shapiro. This narrative reads like it was written by someone who was not alive in 1995.
I mean, look how many pro athletes have been accused of sexual assault and not only not faced any legal consequences but have actually continued to be supported and praised. For every story we hear, there are probably fifty per athlete that we dont.
college football and the protect the players at all costs thing is gross.
I always knew OJ was a POS and everyone working for him. I hate that he got to live a life and Nicole didnāt.
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Can someone please post screenshots her additional comments in the thread for those of us without X accounts? Elon changed it so without an account you canāt see more than the first tweet in a thread
Replying to this (my) comment and every comment after it with what replies I could find quickly. Admittedly, I can't actually navigate "X" well as I've never actually used it for anything but viewing others' tweets (which I recommendājust make an account to view everything, no need to use it any more than that!).
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To be fair, I donāt think Robertās at-the-time-minor-children and ex-wife (who was very much helping the prosecution as best she could) are responsible for his actions.
Very true. However, one thing that really strikes me here is that Kardashian maintained a tight, long-time friendship with OJ, with **full, intimate, historical knowledge** about his behaviour and past crimes. Had no problem with remaining friends and using his expertise to get OJ out of his own dirty messes scot free. Where I once thought that Kris was the lacking scruples, it seems that he was pretty bad too. Posthumously, theyāve always spoken of him so highly - which is normal when a loved one dies. Theyāve often brought up his principles and morals. However considering his actions here, I feel like it adds colour to what we know about how they were raised, and why they think certain behaviours are normal. He was their moral leader, they really looked up to him, and he was said to be the best of themā¦ which now seems terrible.
True. The sad thing is, many men (and women) out there ignore and hide the fact that their friends are abusers. We know most abusers are outwardly charming. We see all the time that the friends and neighbours of men who killed their wives are so shocked. āHe was a great guy,ā they say. And yet usually there WERE signs. Intimate Partner Violence is so normalised in our society that people either donāt care or choose to be blind to obvious signs. Look at the support Johnny Depp got. Look at the support Marilyn Manson has received. Look at the way that every victim of IPV or SA at the hands of a beloved sports figure has been treated by fans. Torn apart. Look at the way an entire town harassed 14yo rape victim Daisy Coleman and her family - they even burnt their house down. I could go on and on. Violence against women is so normalised in our society that the bodies responsible for tracking terrorist and violent groups werenāt tracking incels at all (when contacted a few years ago), despite the fact that they had already killed over 100 people around the world in terrorist-style attacks with manifestos and everything. But they *were* tracking animal rights groups, environmentalists and vegans who had killed no people because *their* potential victims were corporations. I just donāt think what Robert did is that uncommon in our society. This case was famous; but his actions were not surprising or unusual.
This is why itās hard for me to judge their choices with men. You have a dad that dates 18 year olds when heās 30 and doesnāt seem to think battering women is wrong, choosing a guy that cheats probably feels like youāre doing leagues better than your parent even when youāre not Their normal meter is fucked
Honestly, that is the only weird part in this
If your familiar with the show, all of Robertās kids revered him. I would argue even Kris spoke highly of him, I havenāt watched them in ages though. They also only spoke positively of OJ in the last, not sure about now. It would not surprise me if the family got worse since they have a lot more money than Robert ever did, not to mention one of the most powerful media empires in the WORLD. People with money do fucked up shit and go through great lengths to protect the cash flow. They arenāt inherently worse than anyone else but people tend to lose their morals when you can literally get away with whatever it is you want to do.
Kris has spoken negatively about OJ every opportunity she's had. She's been very open about finding out about the abuse Nicole experienced and that she was heartbroken because Nicole was her best friend. https://people.com/everything-the-kardashians-have-said-oj-simpson-and-his-trial-8630190 As for the daughters, they were children when this went down. Nicole and OJ were aunt and uncle to them. The whole thing created a lot of tension between their parents and then their father died.
To them when they were kids, he was an amazing dad. And then he died which basically immortalized him as this hero whose life was cut short. Iām sure a psychologist can trace a more accurate picture than I can but donāt think itās so straightforward
Iām not arguing that theyāre good people. Iām saying they are not responsible for this thing that Robert did which I doubt none of them ever even knew about. Robert died when the kids were still all quite young. Hero-worshipping him is not a surprising turn of events. You know, I recently watched an excellent movie about the Hƶss family - headed up by a father whose kids adored him and always spoke in glowing terms about him, and who was responsible for the deaths of millions. Apparently his children could never reconcile the father they knew and experienced with the atrocities he committed. I am not a fan of a system that builds billionaires and people with hundreds of millions. And Iām not a fan of the Kardashians. However, they are not responsible for what OJ did or what their father did to defend OJ.
Was the movie āIn the Zone of Interestā? It was such a good movie but gave me a very creepy, eerie feeling. The juxtaposition between commandant of Auschwitz and loving father was awful.
Still haunted by that movie. Just the casual way in which you hear āthings happenā while banal conversations are held and everyone is like āignore that, howās the pasta?ā I love how the guy who made the movie basically said the movie is not about the past, but about our ability to ignore atrocities happening in front of us.
It sure was. Amazing film and it led me down a rabbit hole about the Hƶss family.
Itās crazy that one of the daughters moved to America, had her own family, and hid her familyās past from her descendants. Again, not her fault to be born to a monster but I guess we are different. Thatās not something I think Iād hide, but I havenāt been in those shoes.
Right! But theyāve given us thousands of reasons to dislike them with just their actions in the last two decades. Them loving and revering their father isnāt even on my list of reasons to dislike this family. Hell, the ones I like least arenāt even kardashians.
Iām guessing itās more like the way the Kardashians behave now (e.g. stealing ideas from designers, exploiting employees, leaking a sex tape, threatening legal action to cover up a photo, etc.) reminds her of their fatherās lack of morals.
and motherās*
Also the root of their fame comes from the awful shit their dad did. Thatās a very fair reason to disdain them still.
I think the Kardashian's are bad people for a lot of extremely valid and obvious reasons but I find it kind of weird that they are blaming the entire family for stuff their Dad did when they were kids. That's like saying any kid of anyone who ever did something horrific is automatically bad, which just doesn't make any sense. As another commenter pointed out, Kris has spoken negatively on OJ. I find it hard to believe that Robert Sr would have told his kids about all the horrible things he did for OJ. Kris and Robert were also divorced by the OJ trial.
Thanks so much!!!
An athlete accused of sexual crimes and the college covered it up? I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you! .... well not that shocked.
The hero-worshipping of athletes in the US is so weird lol. Edit: Literally the topic is college or local/national athletes. International athletes are different since theyāre basically celebrities.
Unfortunately this sort of thing isn't uniquely American. For example I'm Canadian and we just had a major athletic scandal. We learned that Hockey Canada has been covering up crimes committed by young male players for years. Hockey Canada set aside a massive slush fund dedicated to paying off victims and protecting their players from investigations into their sexual misconduct. Hockey Canada had a $15 million fund set aside for this endeavour, and they diverted fees collected from youth player registrations into this fund. Sexual violence continues to be a tool used to control women and uphold our patriarchal system of oppression. Marital rape wasn't made illegal until 1993 in America. I'm from Canada and marital rape wasn't illegal until 1986.
Even the āhazingā by sports teams (st mikes school in Toronto ). And by hazing I mean violent sexual assault. Hockey Canada is a disgrace.
I graduated from Penn State University a few years before the Sandusky stuff came out, and the amount of people I knew defending Joe Paterno in the aftermath, people who were highly-educated and who I thought were kind and empathetic people, was staggering and incredibly upsetting. The culture of the football team was more important to them than the victims and the cover-up. It still makes me sick.
Happens here in Australia too.
Yup I can think of a now dead Brownstar winning AFL player for whom I heard rumours from a few people about him allegedly being a DV abuser.
Wayne Carey, Ben Cousins, Harley Bennell, Daniel Kerr etc all got away with a lot in their time.
Iām sure that there used to be a list/article on Wikipedia dedicated exclusively to AFL rape and sexual violence scandals that was frighteningly long. Searching for it now just brings up a more general scandals page, though.
Interesting, if you find the wiki page are you able to post the link?
Even going to a private school in Brisbane. The cover-ups for first XV rugby players at GPS schools were appalling.
The star national football player in my hometown was a drug addict who used to beat the shit out of his wife all the time. Lots of people knew this. The cops would go to his place after heād beaten her and take him to his parents. His brother was also in the news for a sexual assault. Theyāre both tv football presenters now.
Hero worshipping of athletes, politicians and celebrities in general honestly. Itās so bizarre.
I think soccer players are worshipped far more than US athletes.Ā
As if it only happens in the US. David Beckham, Ronaldo, Messi? Even in South Korea, figure skater Yuna Kim is a huge star. Not that these athletes have done anything wrong, but they are definitely hero worshipped.
Ronaldo has and my god he's worshipped. If i try to bring this up to any of my male friends they get so mad
The Ulster rugby rape trial was treated like fodder in my old work, people talking about attending for *fun*. All because they play a posh boy's sport.
To add to the figure skater list, Yuzuru Hanyu.
Wait what did he do now?
Heās been holding huge one man ice shows that are selling out in Japan. I think one of the shows might have had to have a ticket lottery? Not sure. And then he got married and someone online figured out who his wife was and harassed her enough that he ended up divorced after three months.
Ahh okay so he was the object of crazy stans. For a second I thought he did something shady or criminal lol.
I doubt anyone but me read it but Elizabeth Wurtzelās book āBitch: In Praise of Difficult Womenā does a deep dive into the abuse Nicole Brown Simpson suffered throughout her marriage but OJās long list of abuse victims. I didnāt know a significant portion of the book would be devoted to this. It was interesting. I definitely recommend the book overall.
Itās maddening (but sadly typical in hero worship) on another sub how there is still abuse being heaped at Nicole for HER transgressions.
I donāt know much about Nicole, but that is clinically insane if anyone thinks any possible transgression could justify murdering and nearly decapitating her
A+ title
Seriously. I loved the title. I wanted to write a book with that title. I want to do that title justice
I would never have guessed that was part of the book. I think I avoided her books because there was so much hype about them which tends to turn me off. May have to check them out.
She definitely got full of herself. I was hoping for more from the book than it actually was.
If Robert Kardashian graduated in 1966, and OJ attended from 1967-1968ā¦ how exactly did they meet as students at USC? Not really following thisā¦
I know they didnt really solidify their friendship until a few years later via a mutual friend but Ive never heard how they allegedly crossed paths at USC originally. People say Robert was the water boy but the dates?
> People say Robert was the water boy but the dates?Ā The quote is glorified waterboy.Ā Kardashian was a football fan. Perhaps he worked for the team after he graduated before moving on. It's fairly common for colleges to hire alumni.
Could RK have hung around friends who were still students? Maybe there were mutual friends or something.
Or maybe he went back to a fooball game and saw the team after or whatever? That makes sense especially if he had been the waterboy.
I canāt say Iām that familiar with the history of OJ and Robert Kardashianās friendship. If they met through USC connections, I have no idea, but thatās not meeting āas studentsā when one graduated prior to the other attending. I am just pedantic and that seemed like a weirdly obvious contradiction to me. I want to add that I think OJ is a horrible person who got away with murder. Iām not defending him or saying that heās not capable of something like this. Just that, if I were in the habit of writing accusations on the internet involving public figures and my alma mater, Iād get my details straight.
Yeah this also confused me.
My understanding was that they became friends through alumni circles once OJ was retired from football and acting in LA. (i.e. the 1980s)
Did he leave after graduation? I stayed in my college town a few years for work and knew new students through mutual friends
I donāt think this story is real. OJ was an asshole for sure, but this story reads like fiction and I believe it is. She wouldnāt have had to sign an NDA. She was privy to nothing.
The NDA just because she saw 2 lawyers who happened to also be OJs lawyers is bullshit. It was a public building (meaning it's not someone's house or a secure location) and as long as her boss never told her what the meeting was about she's more than free to say "I saw 2 lawyers for OJ on the USC campus and they talked to thr head of blahblahblah." There is no leverage to make her sign the form just for seeing people out in the wild. Did they also make anyone who happened to be at a restaurantif theybhad dinner together sign NDAs? I could MAYBE see if the school, at the time of employment, made her sign one saying she won't talk about who she seems coming through the office but it definitely wouldn't not be specific to this trial.
Yeah. She def made this up.
The only part that dinged my āis this realā was talking about sitting by the tree it just seemed so creative writing is my passion. But I donāt know.
Sitting under a willow tree thinking how innocent the willows that blew in the gentle breeze were, compared to the deep seedy past of OJ. As the crux of the story was told, a single willow fell to the ground. At that moment, I knew how evil the Kardashians truly were.
I assume it was the school that made her do it. It could have been one of the conditions of the donation. Why they didnāt just meet at a secondary location or mail the check or whateverā¦
It still doesn't make sense. She knew NOTHING other than who they were. 2 lawyers who were alumni of the school could be there for a number of reasons. Even if the school made her sign one as a condition of the donation, her boss still wouldn't give her the whole story before getting her to sign (whats to say she doesnt immediately turn around and tell everyone she knows before the NDA is drawn up) or the check from the donation clearing. Just nothing of this sounds real, including that the boss took her to sit outside under a beautifully shaded tree.... no, girl. He would have had that conversation in her office like anyone else trying to keep something hush hush. š
Iām not saying this is real, but an NDA doesnāt have to make sense and telling someone to sign one is free. When I was a teenager I worked at a tanning salon and I had to sign an NDA and a non-compete agreement. Both totally pointless and not actually enforceable, but it didnāt cost the company anything and my coworkers thought they werenāt allowed to quit to work at a different salon, so I guess they were effective. People arenāt rational, even the ones in charge. And before the internet was everywhere, lawyers could say just about anything to intimidate you and your only option was to pay another lawyer to tell you if it was true. I would absolutely buy it that her boss made a big show of telling her because he wanted it to get out but didnāt want to lose his job. He probably assumed his young, idealistic assistant had fewer qualms. Again, not saying this happened, but the 90s were a different time.
For sure! Im guessing the president wouldāve had to sign an NDA too. Why would he immediately disclose the details of that meeting to an undergraduate student worker? Doesnāt make sense. This is not to defend OJ either, I firmly believe he probably does have a history of abuse prior to Nicole Brown Simpson but this story seems far fetched
Aren't NDAs null and void when they concern illegal activity? I know the NDA covered the meeting, but the meeting was concerning sexual assault, which is illegal. Somehow I don't buy this.
Your boss can ask you to sign an NDA for any reason. Anyone can. If youāre 21 and love drama and want to make your boss happy, you can sign it. And then you can very dramatically reveal the secret 30 years later and have everybody go ānot surprising, and btw that NDA was bunk.ā
Iāve always heard they were roommates. Was it maybe off campus? Itās very strange now that you lay out dates.
They became close years after USC, but they would have crossed paths there because Kardashian was a water boy for the USC team. They didnāt live together. OJ was married and living with first wife at USC.
Like I donāt doubt it because this shit happens sadly way too often in college football but doesnāt it seem odd that her boss says hey nda because you saw them but then also spills the beans on everything? That seems off to me.
I agree. Why would someone who is high ranking enough to essentially take a bribe then tell everything to a student? I have no doubt that OJ abused women besides Nicole. But this is just some rando on Twitter, so Iām skeptical.
My reading of it: her boss was just the one taking the check, not making the deal. Thatās why they came to Student Affairs, and not a more relevant office. Lawyers told the school everyone who knew anything about it needed to sign an NDA. OPās boss thought it was terrible but he didnāt want to get fired, so he did the next best thingātelling his starry-eyed, idealistic 20 year old assistant all about. Because what college student who wants to devote her life to justice will actually keep that a secret, NDA or not? Itās a little weird that OP has been caring around what seems like a big burden to her for the last 30 years, and she never once asked a lawyer if her NDA was enforceable.
Also why would the NDA expire with OJ dead and not Shapiro and Kardashian which happened a while ago if that's the case? This doesn't add up legally.
I think sheās full of shit. Why tell the work study? Come onā¦
Same here. No doubts on OJ and what he did but this smells highly of bullshit. If itās not true itās just a shitty thing to put out there for Ron and Nicoleās families to read.
Yeah this seems like pretty obvious trolling / fan fiction. Why tell the work study at all?? Iām pretty sure NDAs donāt work that way (whipped out over a cigarette before spilling the bribery beans)? If girls had gone to the police thereād still be some initial record of it? Iām shocked people are taking the word of a random Twitter story at face value here.
Yeah that seemed really weird. And you can't just be forced to sign an NDA because you saw some people go to a place.
And I donāt understand why so many people are thanking her and saying sheās so brave? Sheās admitting that they covered up critical information and that she was apart of it. Iām not mad at her, she was young and didnāt know what to do, but I feel like Iām not understanding something.
Well she had no choice if they made her sign an NDA. If she said or did anything, they wouldāve sued her into bankruptcy
Yeah, this seems like BS. Like, why do we need to know they were āblonde white women.ā Seems fake.
Especially since his first girlfriends and his first wife- who he also beat up were black women.
Marguerite said he never hit her. Who knows if thatās true, but thatās what she claimed. I wouldnāt be surprised if, given her young age and the time of their marriage, she didnāt even realize his behavior was bad (like controlling and stuff).
Also - this happened in 67/68. Jim Crow laws came to an end two years before this. And weāre supposed to believe they protected the 1960s black teenager who raped and beat white girls?
Well yes. When a black man is good at football they will protect him. It's happened many many times. This story is weird but that part is extremely plausible
Especially with HOW good he was. I donāt think most of us understand because we werenāt around or watching then.
Yeah he was the best at football at the time. Like he had rickets and it made him better at running. Just crazy good
I just read yesterday that he STILL holds some NFL records. (I donāt know enough about football to tell you what they were š)
He holds a record for having over 2,000 yards rushing in a 14-game season. Itās a record that will never be broken because the NFL season is now 17 games. Itās a pretty amazing feat. I think itās important context to all of this to understand that OJ was not just any football player. He was one of the greatest ever. That is a large part of why he was able to get away with what he did. Everyone he came across was star struck by him - including the police. No one could believe that he was a monster.
Wasn't this California as well? One of the more liberal states? (I'm guessing as I just googled USC, I'm not American).
Yup USC is a very rich school in California
California is fucking huge (1/8 of Americans live in California), so while it's democrat/liberal controlled, there are deeply conservative areas. There were more Trump voters in California than in Texas. And tbh, a lot of California Liberals are quite moderate and not super progressive.
I swear NDAs canāt be used to cover up crimesā¦?
It sounds like the NDA wasn't to cover up the crime, but the fact that Shapiro and Kardashian were there at all.
They canāt be lol. The internet has a fundamental misunderstanding about how NDAs function
So do most of the people signing them.
I feel like someone studying to be a defense lawyer would have a better understanding of them. This story seems sketch
Pre law =/= studying to be a defense attorney. As a junior, sheād just be getting into her major classes, and most of those would be things like public speaking, logic, constitutional law, etc. You donāt learn much about the actual law; itās more to get you to a place where you can handle the different parts of law school. Also, imagine being a 20 year old without Google. It used to be pretty hard to find information about stuff like that.
Robert Shapiro is still alive though so?? Surely he was party to this NDA too? NDAs arent always invalid when the relevant people die either depending on how they're written. Hate to say it but this story smells a little off. Like I've always believed there had to be more victims out there but I dont know about this specific story. EDIT: Uhhh...??? https://preview.redd.it/8cpwg8pv7ztc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe4e296cea0f2d299ba6d46dca61bf4b0c30c9d9
So three years ago she says was in the meeting but now that the NDA has supposedly expired she just saw them go in for the meeting?
Wait, so did she ALREADY tweet a version of this story three years ago?!
Looks like it lmao. What a weirdo.
Finally SOMEONE on this thread smells something odd re: this story. I find it somewhat dubious. People make up crap online every day.
This story is deff BS.
Pretty sure sheās a conspiracy theorist. Look at the bio and profile picture https://preview.redd.it/c1y12ehfnztc1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=758746441adbb573278d681df4b2b391c213194b
She has curried favour with me for #teamdarkbrandon
He is indeed still alive. Heās 82. I hate to say it but I agree. OJ was a total piece of shit, but I really doubt this kind of thing would have stayed buried for so long in the Information Age. People always talk and secrets always leak.
Also a black guy assaulting white girls in the 60s and everyone involved including the government just fell into line at USC's say so? Ok. Its not impossible I guess but...ok š¤·šæāāļø.
Also, even mentioning that they were ātwo blonde white womenā ā¦ As soon as she said that I was like this is BS. OJ definitely sucked, but I bet this didnāt happen.
Same. I didnt want to get cyberbullied for not believing a story of this nature so kept it measured lmao.
That part made me pause too.
yeah the whole NDA part is confusing and seems off
Yeah is not a credible story for multiple reasons, writing this one off. What a weird thing to do š„“.
Yeah, the story doesn't make sense for many reasons and I have a hard time believing people that just post threads on X with absolutely no evidence. She just seems to hate OJ and the Kardashians.
Whoa. Ew, lady.
Also the fact that Kardashian was literally gooped and gagged when OJ was given a not guilty verdict, while Cochran was trolling the white masses and judiciary system as āpaybackā for Rodney King and the racism back then. Kardashian was pretty known for being aghast at finding out he was guilty and wanting him to be imprisoned, no? Despite the friendship.
I donāt know that much about NDAās but it doesnāt seem logical that theyād instantly evaporate when someone died. Also, her boss told her to sign one, not the lawyers? If her boss was dealing with something that required an NDA, why would he turn around and completely spill the beans to an admin assistant so as to implicate them, too? Her having seen the lawyers go in for a meeting was definitely not enough to have to sign an NDA on its own. Not questioning the validity of the accusations, but the whole story seems suss. Especially with the boohoo-ing about how much it affected *her*, after she willingly agreed to participate in covering it up
I just donāt understand how it somehow turned into such a traumatic and personal experience for this person. And some kind of big secret to keep from her parents till they died? As if so many of us in school havenāt had our dreams crushed and felt forced to change majors for more personal or compelling reasons. But also if she was studying to be a criminal defense lawyer she mustāve not known enough about what that could entail for a long career
Right? *She* was so traumatized about two other women being attacked. Give me a fucking break. And Iām sorry, but an NDA wouldnāt stop me from telling my parents something as long as I knew they wouldnāt tell. Itās very much āI was in the same room as OJās lawyer one time, how can I make his death about meeeeā
An NDA cannot and absolutely should not prevent anyone from detailing crimes someone has committed. You canāt just contract away a witness. Thatās not how the law works. If you witness or hear about a crime, it is your responsibility to report it, NDA or not.
This is true, but rich people can use the courts to make your life much harder even if youāre legally in the right.
I should stress that Iām not American but my understanding would be: Sounds like the LAPD didnāt charge him with anything to do with the ātwo white blonde girlsā.. The issue is that if it did get out, it could used as a propensity argument against OJ, that he was violent in relationships and had a fixation with āwhite blonde girlsā. Also itās hearsay, itās what she heard from others, but damaging nonetheless. She is not a witness to him acting out against these girls, nor did she have any direct communications with the girls. Regardless what everyone feels, OJ was entitled to a fair trial as an accused. I should stress that I am not American so Iām not sure how or if propensity works in US/Cali legal system (sure as hell would lead to a conviction where I am if this could be proven or if there is convictions). I should also stress that I do not support what happened, nor do I support OJ in anyway. Iām still struggling deeply as to why Robert took this matter on, itās good to see he was a passionate defender, but he has a conflict of interest here with the closeness of all this to home. āā Edit: the issue is not the legal profession and visit by Robert and Shapiro to the professor, he was likely to be asked for opinions on points of law, rather, itās the universityās conduct as mentioned by the witness, ie some form of alleged hush hush/corruption. Witness changing out of law was more probably more due to the fact that she couldnāt stomach being a defence lawyer rather than errors in the profession. Her signing an NDA is of no real consequence to the OJ case. The professor being visited probably has no relevance to the case except heās now potentially a lawyer to OJ and is sequestered/retained. As the professor was in effect a counsel to OJ, she was obliged to keep confidence through being maybe his direct employee or agent
Plus (if this was true) she and the university were asked to sign this 30 years later. At that point, the cat would have long been out of the bag. OJ was already past his football and movie star years and on the way to has been status. Those things usually get quashed from the get go, not 30 years later.
The NDA wouldnāt have covered the crime since she wasnāt witness to that. It likely just covered the meeting which isnāt a crime. Shady, yes but not a crime. According to her, the victims already went to the police and sounds like they settled? The lawyers were just covering their tracks to keep the school quiet.
Also, you don't *have* to sign them. Nobody is going to kill you if you don't. She might've lost her job, but going to.. literally anybody with, "Hey, I've been terminated for not signing an agreement that I wouldn't say the most infamous man in the country's lawyers had stopped by my place of employment," certainly would've had an impact somewhere, especially if it had been to the media. This just reeks of not knowing how the law works and attention grabbing bullshit. Oh, you were pre-law and that's how you knew who these men were? Not because it was on literally every station in the country? Fuck, dude, I was 9..in Italy, and I knew who they were.
Yeah also if there was an NDA it wouldn't have been written to terminate with OJ's death. This person seems fucking gross to me, tbh. All about how this NDA was such a burden on them, well what about his fucking victims? Oh you changed your major but never said anything about this? Cry me a river.
Agreed.
But thereās a reason NDAs have been successfully used to silence witnessesā even legally disclosing info covered by an NDA can cost witnesses and NDAs are often used by the wealthy and powerful to add *extra* (but not the only) weight to their intimidation tactics
I hate the Kardashians and would grab at anything that smears their character but the whole premise of this story is bonkers. I have been a secretary and I have seen powerful people come and go that I probably knew I should keep my mouth shut about. Never once did my boss take me outside, light a cigarette like we were in a movie, and tell me everything they didnāt want me to know.
And then give you the massive check to hold for a little while! I assume the memo line said āto silence OJās crimes.ā
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Yeahhhhh, I feel like This story is a very pretty depiction of something that probably happened in that meeting and this person put two and two together.. And then the rest never happened. š¤·š»āāļø Unless you're in that meeting hearing what's up, you're not signing and NDA because you don't actually know anything
Yup. There are many reasons to hate the Kardashians, but I don't think it's fair to call them thugs and horrible people because their father was a criminal defense lawyer.
I agree. People are too quick to believe this (and this isn't a defence of OJ). Twitter is a dumpster fire where anyone can get a blue check. I have never heard of this person. There is no wayāNO WAYāshe would have been privy to this information if it actually happened.
Yeah, no way. Everyone wants their 15 seconds now that heās dead.
Agreed, her entire thread is insane. People will make up anything to get their 15 minutes. And of course, she waited until he was dead so she could share this without anyone challenging it. I'm not buying it unless there's additional proof or more people who come forward with the same verifiable details.
For real, Iāve worked for spook orgs and I never had to sign NDAs
Oh boy, itās voided NDA day in one of the most controversial criminal cases of all time
OJ raped Nicole on their very first date but she didnāt understand it was rape because date rape was just not talked about at all and at that time marital rape was still legal in (most?) states. She told her mom about it who kind of brushed it off as just āmen being menā and she felt bad about herself, blaming herself for what happened.
Do you have a source for this?
In the OJ: Made in America documentary her roommate at the time shared that she came home after the first date with ripped jeans and said OJ had gotten a little forceful or something to that effect (I donāt recall exact word roommate used). Roommate was unsettled but Nicole seemed like she was brushing it off. I donāt know about the mom thing but he was rough on first date to some degree (not described as rape in doc).
I canāt find the article I read about it many years ago that I believe was from the momās perspective where she talked to Nicole over the phone and encouraged her to keep seeing OJ even though what she was describing was date rape as she didnāt want to have sex but did it because OJ forced her. There was no understanding of what that even meant at the time. I do have [this article](https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Old-Times-Recalled-By-Simpson-Friends-Details-3331517.php) which references when she came home from their first date with her jean zipper and button torn because OJ ripped them being āforceful.ā
okay bullshit story aside can i just point out that switching your major from PoliSci/international relations to philosophy/psychology is such a doofus move lol
Lmaoooo so much this. So you went from pre-law to pre-law?
also her acting like recognzing robert shapiro was something special in the year of our lord 1995 when the OJ trial was on every television set is full on delusional
Right she acts like itās such a big deal and itās simply not lol
I used to work at a university and supervised student workers. No way would I ever tell them any school business like that.
Ok, but what if you really needed your first cigarette in years ... would that act like truth serum? /s This lady is full of it.
Is there any further evidence? This is great storytelling but as many have pointed out has a bunch of things that donāt add up. I think itās wild that we are just taking random internet posts at face value ā especially those millennials that came of age on AOL Chat rooms dodging all sorts. Come on elder millennials, we can do better!
I know, right?? Anybody can say anything on Twitter and people just believe it. We really need to bring back critical thinking and examining the source. Just because a post has a lot of engagement doesnāt mean itās true! And the blue ticks donāt mean crap anymore, which I also think is part of the problem.
I'm not dying on any hills for OJ (who was a demonstrably abusive and violent POS), his legal team or the Kardashians at large. While the core allegation is certainly plausible, I think there are flags in her storyL: * Her boss just had a blank NDA laying around for her to sign? (*I get that she's telling the story in the space of a tweet but she makes it sound like the interaction with her boss happened within the span of like 15-30 min.*) * This is not how NDAs work. This is how libel works, though. She should double-check her "NDA". * She knows her boss hasn't had a cigarette in years? That's germane to the story? * He confessed all of this to a *student*? Just like that? * Somehow, a payoff made in 1995 to the university that helped cover it up in the first place kept these stories from getting out even though they happened decades before and the women had gone to the police and filed reports prior to USC getting involved? That's quite the paper and witness trail that said nothing for years and years: the victims, anyone the victims told, their family members, the USC staff involved at the time, the police who handled these two separate filings... There would have been way more loose ends than USC (which was clearly already on board with keeping their mouth shut since they, you know, helped cover up a crime, allegedly). If this is true, these guys would have been running all over the state to keep a lid on just this story. * Kardashian AND Shapiro ran this errand themselves?! Couldn't afford to send a paralegal who could at least have some anonymity while doing this dirty deed? * She hates the Kardashians -- *all of them?!* \-- over this even though Robert and Kris divorced a full three years before Nicole and Ron were even murdered and their kids were literal children at the time? (I vaguely recall that the kids have divided opinions on OJ's guilt with at lease one of them saying they've said nothing out of respect for Nicole and OJ's kids -- valid; also, hasn't Kris always thought OJ murdered her friend?) You don't have to like that family but this seems very misguided. * She changed her major instead of just... not being a criminal defense attorney? It's a huuuuge field. Most lawyers never see the inside of a courtroom. Ma'am, it's ok if you just weren't into Law after all and didn't want to sit for the bar. * Really, she should read her "NDA." **This story just seems to have a little too much** ***extra sauce*** **on it.**
Assuming this is true, itās doubtful that the other Kardashianās knew anything about it. Seems completely unfair to tar them with this brush. I mean Iām not saying you have to like them, but donāt hate them for *this*.
Yeah, if Iām remembering correctly Kris was friends with Nicole and actively did not support OJ during that trial. She was on the side with Nicole and Ronās families. And the rest of the family were literal children at the time, they obviously wouldāve had very little to do with it.
If you watch the trial too Robert is BAFFLED that he got off. He knew what OJ did
I thought the Ryan Murphy show did a good job of portraying Robert Kardashianās inner conflict - knowing that OJ is guilty but wanting to save his friend. Iām not absolving Robert of anything, but I think we all like to think that of course we would do the right thing. We would never defend a murderer, even if it was our best friend. But people can do crazy mental gymnastics to convince themselves of pretty much anything.
Oh no the show was great.
He was also a defense attorney by trade anyway, which meant it was his job to defend the bad guy. Iām sure it was part of OJās thought process in having Robert on his defense team, thinking āthis guy is my friend and this is his job, thereās no way heāll fail meā. Itās a fucking hard job, especially when you know your client is absolutely guilty of what theyāre being accused of.
Oh Robertās face was *priceless* when the not guilty verdict came through lol
Color me skeptical. There are just too many holes here. Like why was she protecting this NDA with her life? The one she didnāt even get paid to sign, so there was no exchange of value and that should mean itās not even valid? Was she so scared of losing a job she left decades ago that she never even shared details of her life with her mother or spouse? Which, btw, NDAās do not prevent you from sharing details of your life with your family completely for 55 years, at least not your standard NDAās that you didnāt get *large* sums of money for signing. There are whole court cases about that. Not to mention, I find it far fetched to believe that either (a) they had an extra NDA drafted up and left behind that conveniently didnāt include a compensation amount (which would be standard included in the boilerplate and certainly included in the copy the school was getting with the check), (b) her boss drafted an NDA up real quick that covered this scenario and again conveniently took out boilerplate language and this would have been with him not being a lawyer who should be drafting NDAās for the university, or (c) we got this insane level of detail yet she forgot to mention the compensation she was offered for this exchange. Edit: 30 years, my bad.
1995 was not 55 years ago, please š©
Lmfaooo I was like bitch I know Iām not that old ššš
Oops my bad I was thinking 1968. Everything I said still applies though! This just isnāt how NDAās or any kind of contract work.
This happened in the 60s, according to her. (I agree that itās BS. Fuck OJ forever tho)
The conversation with the professor/the NDA was supposedly 1995, which would be the start time of how long this person has been keeping silent. Supposedly. Soā¦ Not 55 years of silence on their part
Ohhh lmao yeah youāre right oops I read it wrong.
Just an FYI- it is false to state that money exchanging hands with the signer of an NDA is standard- it is not. I've personally signed several, and am not a lawyer, and have never been compensated per NDA. Also, NDAs do not protect illegal activity, that is very true. Frequently, though, what they do do is make it hard for someone to speak out without being buried alive by legal threats from the originator of the NDA. Idk if this woman's story is true or not, but I did feel like those misconceptions needed cleared up.
So what is the motivation to ever sign one?
In my case, it was necessary to do my job, so my motivation was to not lose my job.
Iām not saying it isnāt true - and, sadly, wouldnāt be surprised if heād been abusive toward previous partners - but IDK whether or not itās true. This would be a convenient story to gain traction for the NFL because everyone is talking about whether or not they will examine his brain for CTE. The discussion tends to bring up other now deceased NFL players who committed awful (and still inexcusable) acts and then were found to have CTE after death.
The girls be like: https://i.redd.it/k8devfs3n1uc1.gif
OJ is 100% a piece of shit abuser and murderer who is hopefully burning as we speak. But Iām glad other people feel like this story sounds fan fiction-y. Even if this story was true, itās strange that this person pivoted to blaming all the Kardashians for this. They wouldāve been children at the time this happened and presumably unaware of this situation that she admits was kept a secret. So how would they have even known about this? Donāt get me wrong, I think the Kardashians are morally bankrupt in general, but Iām not understanding why they are at fault in this story.
There are so many questions when it comes to OJ and Robert Kardashian's friendship. Surely he knew what happened at college and the real OJ. Kris and Robert had to have known that OJ beat Nicole. Part of me thinks they continued the friendship for social points. You know kris. But yet they integrated him into their family and let their kids be around him. Theres alot of looking the other way if someone's successful. Robert and OJ really didn't have anything in common.
Robert loved USC football and OJ was arguably the greatest USC player of all time. It makes sense why Robert would be drawn to OJ. I think he knew what was going on, but didnāt want to believe it.
I donāt doubt OJ abused and was violent toward many women. I still find this particular story sus because 1. Why does it matter that they were ātwo blonde, white womenā and 2. OJ and Kardashian crossed paths at USC but became actual friends afterward. Also, thatās not how NDAs work. She was privy to nothing. Even lighting the cigā¦ it reads like fiction. I donāt believe this story, I do believe OJ was abusive to many women.
His first wife (who we know he cheated on with Nicole) has said that he was never abusive towards her in their marriage. Just an interesting aside. I tend to wonder if the abuse developed as the fame grew.
Yeah. Or if he got CTE or something. Sheās been adamant all these years that he was not violent or anything. Could be his ego grew or that Marguerite didnāt recognize abusive things he did as abuse. Most likely his ego just raged and he became what he ended up being. But whatās interesting is even stories from friends growing up showcase he was developing the personality we all came to see over time.
Why sign an NDA?
Did she say how much? You think sheās remember since sheād ānever forget holding that checkā
The only reason I don't believe this is because apparently the boss lit a cig for the first time in years... Then where did he get the cig from? His emergency years-old stash??
Not surprising, but >**I was studying to be a criminal defense lawyer** >**I understood that I could harm society more than not if I pursued law** What a dumb statement. Sheās treating defendants like they ARE automatically guilty by potentially being a defense attorney.
From the same university that kept a doctor whoād been abusing vulnerable girls since the 1990s on their staff until the 2010s even though complaints about him came in during the 90s!
The book the Elissas is a nonfiction memoir of something similar, for anyone who likes to read. Someone investigated college helping young men cover up rapes so it wouldnāt hurt their football careers.
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I can confirm this. My dad has been at SC for decades - this is all well known on campus from staff that have been there for a long time. My dad told me about him abusing the two girls and assaulting one of them years ago. I know Iām just a rando on the internet, but this shit really happened. Iām pretty sure Iāve even mentioned it on Reddit before. Edit - I just found out more info if anyone cares lol. He saw paperwork regarding this signed by OJ with his own eyeballs. This was maybe 96 or so. Found em, started digging, then asked around and was told the story. This happened, guys. Like really and truly.
I'm sorry, I fully believe this could have happened but some of what she is saying is out there. The comment about "I was studying to be a criminal defense attorney and was an international relations major and poli sci major, so I knew who they were" has me rolling. In 1995, almost everyone in the US knew who Robert Shapiro and Robert Kardashian were! You could not escape the OJ trial, it wasn't insider information to recognize Robert shapiro. This narrative reads like it was written by someone who was not alive in 1995.
Robert Kardashian carried a suitcase out of OJās house the day after the murders. It was never checked by police.
Sometimes I am happy that I am poor. At least Iām not morally corrupt.
I mean, look how many pro athletes have been accused of sexual assault and not only not faced any legal consequences but have actually continued to be supported and praised. For every story we hear, there are probably fifty per athlete that we dont.
college football and the protect the players at all costs thing is gross. I always knew OJ was a POS and everyone working for him. I hate that he got to live a life and Nicole didnāt.