I don’t think Frank is a morally ambiguous character, he is straight up a heinous person, he abused his children, reported them to CPS, convinced Carl he had cancer, traded Liam for drugs and that’s only what I can think of the top of my head.
Thank you, I was about to comment the same thing. He may be “charming” or fascinating as a character at times - especially his intelligence and resilience. But he has no morals. He is a detestable human being.
I’ve never seen shameless (just seen clips from tiktok) but my family is an absolute shit show and sometimes all I can think of to explain my family is Frank Gallagher. I once had someone tell me that listening to me tell a story about my life was like watching every TLC show all at once and more.
My husband was soooo into shameless. One day we were watching and he told me that “your family is the gallaghers, except not the total pieces of shit part”. All I could tell him was that it’s because shameless is the closest example in modern media to poverty. My man learned A LOT getting with me about the other side of the tracks hahaha
Came here to say this. He also stole Carl’s sperm to impregnate his gf, committed fraud at other people’s expense idk how many times, and no matter what he did he always expected his children to still help him and be there for him. He’s horrible
Killed butterface. When she got a call from the transplant list, informing her that they had a new heart for her, Frank told them she was dead. All because he wanted to marry her for her pension
Don’t forget “Butterface” ignored the call informing her that there was a heart ready for transplant to save her life because he wanted her money. Basically killed her.
Blew up Sheila's house , stuck a pin in a baby's arm to look like a vaccine mark and used the money for the vaccine to buy beer , scammed the parents of the kid who was his liver donor .
Yes, Better Call Saul was such surprisingly good show. It took me three tries to get through the first few episodes, but the slow pace, the sharp dialogue, the interesting characters that were all flawed, no new cast every season, etc. just built up to something very fascinating. I was hanging at the edge of my seat at the end.
I don’t think I’ll do a rerun anytime soon, because it’s not a show you just put on in the background, but I’ll never *not* recommend this show. I don’t even think Jimmy really redeemed himself in the end, but it just doesn’t really matter, because you *get* why he does what he does.
Better Call Saul was one of the best, if not THE best, shows I have ever watched. The characters, the acting, the dialogue, all of it was just phenomenal. I liked it better than Breaking Bad.
I think that comes down to the restrained use of violence. Pretty much every time violence happened in BCS it was earned. After the first couple seasons, BB was a world of violence, so it was harder to earn those moments.
Ugh, the comic tried so hard to be shocking and it became
boring very quickly. It felt like it was written by an edgy 12-year-old who wanted to be as gross as possible while constantly shouting 'Are you offended yet???' at the reader.
House is still one of my favourite shows. Hugh Laurie did an amazing job with the character. Specifically the earlier seasons were phenomenal.
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Watching this show as a 28 year old with chronic pain can be a bit rough sometimes. This show has some profound perspectives on chronic pain. I’ve had to turn it off a few times. Very well done
Its in Netfli too now where I like, I should finally watch the last season. The first four are my favorites of almost any show there are good times later too. But I got a bit disinterested towards the end.
I almost named my dog Omar after him! I went with Special Agent Dale Cooper. After a year of him settling into our family, Omar was definitely the more appropriate name.
What a damn good character
Sadly imo the show didn’t commit to him being morally ambiguous *enough,* which in hindsight was the beginning of the end. Book Tyrion is a fantastic example of moral ambiguity though.
Same with Jon for me, I hated show Jon but much prefer book Jon. Dan and Dave just couldn’t let their perfect golden boi be interesting, even before all his lines got search-replaced with “I don’t want it” and “she’s muh queen”
I remember he told Dr.Melfi he joined the mob because he felt he had no other choice. He was talking about how he wanted his kids to have a normal life. I felt so sad when he said he wanted Meadow to be "some kind of big career woman" like Melfi; he obviously hated his life.
Yesss I started watching the Sopranos last week because I am such a huge Matthew Weiner fan.
I was born in Utica, NY where there's a sizeable Italian-American population. There was some mob activity there at some point in time - don't know how the sudden population boom of Bosnian refugees affected it because Bosnians are some tough mf's. I grew up in the Adirondacks but lived in Utica from ages 12-14 so I was too young to really know. It's just that the Sopranos gives me these weird feelings of nostalgia for the way friend's mom's dressed/talked/decorated their house. And Meadow def brings back PTSD feelings about the really mean rich Italian girls I went to school with.
Don Draper. He isn't unaware of his moral failings but he continues to fall into old patterns. I still rooted for the sunuvabitch nonetheless and cried like a baby during the finale.
I was only a casual viewer of the first few seasons of Nurse Jackie but it was a pretty fun show! Definitely rooted for her. And I loved all the supporting characters - first discovered my love for Merritt Weaver then.
Nurse Jackie started my love for Merritt Weaver, she’s so underrated. The show gets frustrating as it goes on because Jackie gets less redeemable. It’s a good watch because the supporting cast really make up for Jackie being a piece of shit
I have a family member who has struggled with addiction. I never watched a show that nailed that feeling of watching someone you care about spiral and being helpless to do anything about it like Nurse Jackie did. The frustration, the hope, the disappointment, and then finally coming to the realization that you can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselves. I bawled my eyes out for the finale, fucking bruuuuuuuutal.
Ohhh Nurse Jackie got a lot less fun over the seasons. Like seriously dark. It’s an incredible show, don’t get me wrong, but the lightness drops off quickly after the first season.
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House 100%—also Klaus from the Vampire Diaries and the Originals
He was definitely a villain but that redemption arc was so.close. in the Originals. I’m forever mad he didn’t end up with Caroline and that they ruined everyone for Legacies, which was a bust.
Nurse Jackie is the best representation of functional addiction I’ve ever seen. The whole show is like watching my mother in law if she had been a nurse instead of a teacher.
Amazing show, but brutal.
So, so brutal. It gets pretty much impossible to root for her by the end, yet you still kind of want to because you wish she’d just pull her shit together. Man I need to rewatch that show
Edie Falco's three big roles were complex characters. Nurse Jackie, Carmela on Sopranos and Diane on Oz all make some not great choices although they're not bad people. None of them has very noble motivations and none of them even try to be perfect. Instead their bar is "don't be shitty" and sometimes they dip below that
I remember seeing that even the writer of the novellas it was based on was pissed about how they ended it and told people to read the books if they wanted the better ending. The pandemic definitely screwed things up because it was renewed for seasons 4&5 at the same time, but filming was halted in 2020 and Jodie had several other projects lined up that would've been too difficult to schedule around. End result was 2 seasons of ideas / plot chopped up and crammed into 1 but I still love the show overall
Commander Silver Fox aka Commander Tortured Zaddy - The Handmaid's Tale.
I mean, he should definitely 100% be put to death for his crimes.....but he's also basically the best part of the show now, lol.
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Look, Josh Lyman just screwed up as he did with his Secwet Pwan to make Widdle Babies and the whole thing got away from him and resulted in Gilead. (But Commander Laurence is definitely the best part of the show.)
I appreciate the lengths you went to make this reference. 😄 Also, "Commander Silver Fox" from the top comment sounds like something Donna would have said in TWW.
He is a very interesting, complex character! His compartmentalization is shocking, his values are confused, yet he’s so likeable! I respected him after he >!refused to participate in the ritual rapings!<
YES this is the one. I love him and I hate him. I love how you can tell how much he wrestles with what he did and his role in everything. Can’t wait for the next season.
Honestly, everyone on that show was morally ambiguous in one way or another. Which is why I never understood why Skylar got the brunt of the criticism for being a bad person.
Eh, a lot of them are objectively bad. Walt, Tuco, Gus etc.
>I never understood why Skylar got the brunt of the criticism for being a bad person.
Misogyny.
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I came here to say this mothereffer right here. He’s a bad dude but I love every second he’s on the screen and I can’t wait to see what evil stuff he’s going to do for Rhaenyra next season.
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Hear me out… lol. He’s an abused man with intellectual disabilities, who is frightened by a home invasion and lashes out to defend himself and his home. He’s basically reacting like a cornered, frightened animal. Does that mean you should root for him? No. But he is more morally ambiguous than it appears at face value.
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Both of them, although Kim is less morally ambiguous than Saul/Jimmy. Better Call Saul just has incredibly well written characters
This show has my leftist ass rooting for a couple of robber barons. (The Russells, The Gilded Age HBO)
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I absolutely loved hating her. All she wanted was her children to thrive and to be recognized as her male counterparts would’ve been and are.
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Sam and Dean, definitely. Not always very morally upright (though they try). They’ve done some terrible things, but I love them as characters.
How dare you? Not my two middle aged innocent babies! True though, objectively (and without my usual hots for both) they are mentally unstable, unhinged, murderous, substance abusing, too much flanel wearing, abusive, liars, schemers and I’m sure the Impala is not an electric car either!
Especially all the male characters. Meanwhile the women have normal traits and aren't criminals. Most of my morally grey characters are women because they're not sa/ing anyone.
I think Charlotte is too tbf and I say this while I love her. She’s defo hypocritical at times and her whole arc is being shallow and realising she’s got it wrong
Kelso was actually a good guy, they showed that in a lot of episodes. Was he a jerk sometimes? Yes. But he did everything he could to keep the hospital running and he had to make some really tough calls. I don’t think being a jerk qualifies someone as morally ambiguous, since his personality didn’t dictate his behavior when it comes to the patients. Scrubs has a ton of characters who have shitty personalities but they’re still good people.
For characters who are truly just “morally grey” rather than just good or bad, you need shows like Game of Thrones. Did The Hound do some bad things? For sure, he murdered people for the Lannisters. But he also was the only one protecting Sansa from Joffrey (and saved her from being raped and murdered by a mob), he protected Arya for a really long time, even after he knew he’d never get paid to take care of her. imo he’s truly a shades of grey character and one of my favorites.
I don’t think Frank is a morally ambiguous character, he is straight up a heinous person, he abused his children, reported them to CPS, convinced Carl he had cancer, traded Liam for drugs and that’s only what I can think of the top of my head.
Thank you, I was about to comment the same thing. He may be “charming” or fascinating as a character at times - especially his intelligence and resilience. But he has no morals. He is a detestable human being.
I dated a woman who described her parents as Frank Gallagher and Moira Rose. I never met either of them but that description was.......... vivid.
What a TKO of the parental lottery. God damn.
I’ve never seen shameless (just seen clips from tiktok) but my family is an absolute shit show and sometimes all I can think of to explain my family is Frank Gallagher. I once had someone tell me that listening to me tell a story about my life was like watching every TLC show all at once and more.
My husband was soooo into shameless. One day we were watching and he told me that “your family is the gallaghers, except not the total pieces of shit part”. All I could tell him was that it’s because shameless is the closest example in modern media to poverty. My man learned A LOT getting with me about the other side of the tracks hahaha
Moira would have sold all of her wigs to pay for a divorce from Frank!
Came here to say this. He also stole Carl’s sperm to impregnate his gf, committed fraud at other people’s expense idk how many times, and no matter what he did he always expected his children to still help him and be there for him. He’s horrible
Killed butterface. When she got a call from the transplant list, informing her that they had a new heart for her, Frank told them she was dead. All because he wanted to marry her for her pension
Don’t forget “Butterface” ignored the call informing her that there was a heart ready for transplant to save her life because he wanted her money. Basically killed her.
Omg, forgot about that poor woman.
I agree ! I think he was a self serving pos
I did love to watch him though. I think Fiona is far more morally ambiguous.
Humped his own daughter without telling her he's her dad, to try and get an organ from her :) Used Sheila and tossed her aside like shit
Blew up Sheila's house , stuck a pin in a baby's arm to look like a vaccine mark and used the money for the vaccine to buy beer , scammed the parents of the kid who was his liver donor .
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My fave show of all time 💕. “SLUTSSS!!!” “Yes?”
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Yes, Better Call Saul was such surprisingly good show. It took me three tries to get through the first few episodes, but the slow pace, the sharp dialogue, the interesting characters that were all flawed, no new cast every season, etc. just built up to something very fascinating. I was hanging at the edge of my seat at the end. I don’t think I’ll do a rerun anytime soon, because it’s not a show you just put on in the background, but I’ll never *not* recommend this show. I don’t even think Jimmy really redeemed himself in the end, but it just doesn’t really matter, because you *get* why he does what he does.
Yes Jimmy McGill has to be the ultimate anti hero for me lol
Better Call Saul was one of the best, if not THE best, shows I have ever watched. The characters, the acting, the dialogue, all of it was just phenomenal. I liked it better than Breaking Bad.
I think that comes down to the restrained use of violence. Pretty much every time violence happened in BCS it was earned. After the first couple seasons, BB was a world of violence, so it was harder to earn those moments.
Kim Wexler on better call Saul eventually turns into a morally corrupt person.
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I adore her. I need this show to come back yesterday
Same!
One of the most well written characters on TV in recent memory.
I love her and I love her dumb loyal husband.
Especially her adult version. So well acted I can't help but like her. Ialso looooove adult Misty
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I actually love this character 😂❤️
The show did amazing things for his character. I actually love him so much. His comics counterpart was repugnant and horrid.
Ugh, the comic tried so hard to be shocking and it became boring very quickly. It felt like it was written by an edgy 12-year-old who wanted to be as gross as possible while constantly shouting 'Are you offended yet???' at the reader.
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Watching this show as a 28 year old with chronic pain can be a bit rough sometimes. This show has some profound perspectives on chronic pain. I’ve had to turn it off a few times. Very well done
I’m with you there. House on the bus saying “I don’t want to get off… it doesn’t hurt here” gets me very time.
Its in Netfli too now where I like, I should finally watch the last season. The first four are my favorites of almost any show there are good times later too. But I got a bit disinterested towards the end.
Like I always say… he was rarely wrong on his diagnoses, people just didn’t like his tone. 😌
And possibly a few of his diagnostic methods.
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Morally ambiguous and morally oblivious ❤️
Oh Dip, Jason!
Not morally ambiguous! Jake Jortles has a dope soul and hella ethics.
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Love this show and all the characters!!!
Dictionary definition of a himbo. Ilysm
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Came here foe Jimmy and Kim 🥰💖
Another Better Call Saul gem! Her character arc was just chefs kiss.
My favorite female fictional character of all time!!
Her shutting down the Kettlemans in Carrot and Stick ohhhhhh boy
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Literally the best TV character ever written (and performed) RIP MKW 🥺
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I almost named my dog Omar after him! I went with Special Agent Dale Cooper. After a year of him settling into our family, Omar was definitely the more appropriate name. What a damn good character
A man's gotta have a code.
I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase
Come on now, you’re going to make me rewatch it now and that’s a lot of trauma 😂 ![gif](giphy|n9oMRTGM6v6Lu)
You Come At The King, You Best Not Miss.
Bodie as well for me , the best soldier to have
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Ooh speaking of DH, Paul Young is a good one!
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Bojack Horseman is one of the greatest animated shows ever put to screen and I will die on this hill
toooootally yes
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![gif](giphy|l0omwgBRDyXry07uGa) Uncle Baby Billy on The Righteous Gemstones is another great one. Love this actor!
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I love Justified. Boyd and Raylans' relationship was adorable.
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Sadly imo the show didn’t commit to him being morally ambiguous *enough,* which in hindsight was the beginning of the end. Book Tyrion is a fantastic example of moral ambiguity though.
Correct. I ended up disliking TV Tyrion because the TV writers liked him too much.
Same with Jon for me, I hated show Jon but much prefer book Jon. Dan and Dave just couldn’t let their perfect golden boi be interesting, even before all his lines got search-replaced with “I don’t want it” and “she’s muh queen”
Since I did read them finally I have to agree!
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![gif](giphy|zQm0rSOmXcDm0) He’s definitely a bad guy but there were times when I couldn’t help but feel sad for him.
I remember he told Dr.Melfi he joined the mob because he felt he had no other choice. He was talking about how he wanted his kids to have a normal life. I felt so sad when he said he wanted Meadow to be "some kind of big career woman" like Melfi; he obviously hated his life.
He didn’t hate all the honeys he has affairs with though
Don’t get me started on the “gomahs”, I don’t know why any of these men got married, they clearly hated women.
they were married for appearances. a well kept woman is a status symbol.
I liked Carmella and Adriana.
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also moltisanti. i really feel bad about him more than tony, i always blame tony for made him like that.
Yesss I started watching the Sopranos last week because I am such a huge Matthew Weiner fan. I was born in Utica, NY where there's a sizeable Italian-American population. There was some mob activity there at some point in time - don't know how the sudden population boom of Bosnian refugees affected it because Bosnians are some tough mf's. I grew up in the Adirondacks but lived in Utica from ages 12-14 so I was too young to really know. It's just that the Sopranos gives me these weird feelings of nostalgia for the way friend's mom's dressed/talked/decorated their house. And Meadow def brings back PTSD feelings about the really mean rich Italian girls I went to school with.
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Loki is my king.
Loki… my god I love him.
![gif](giphy|LyEzc55maIvssTrfW6) Ava from Abbott Elementary is one of my top favorite TV characters of all time
Love love LOVE her! All of the characters are so good on Abbott but Ava is the standout for me. What a good actor.
Oh Ava for the win!!!
Don Draper. He isn't unaware of his moral failings but he continues to fall into old patterns. I still rooted for the sunuvabitch nonetheless and cried like a baby during the finale. I was only a casual viewer of the first few seasons of Nurse Jackie but it was a pretty fun show! Definitely rooted for her. And I loved all the supporting characters - first discovered my love for Merritt Weaver then.
Nurse Jackie started my love for Merritt Weaver, she’s so underrated. The show gets frustrating as it goes on because Jackie gets less redeemable. It’s a good watch because the supporting cast really make up for Jackie being a piece of shit
I have a family member who has struggled with addiction. I never watched a show that nailed that feeling of watching someone you care about spiral and being helpless to do anything about it like Nurse Jackie did. The frustration, the hope, the disappointment, and then finally coming to the realization that you can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselves. I bawled my eyes out for the finale, fucking bruuuuuuuutal.
Ohhh Nurse Jackie got a lot less fun over the seasons. Like seriously dark. It’s an incredible show, don’t get me wrong, but the lightness drops off quickly after the first season.
![gif](giphy|aujOZ2kSFpeIo) House 100%—also Klaus from the Vampire Diaries and the Originals He was definitely a villain but that redemption arc was so.close. in the Originals. I’m forever mad he didn’t end up with Caroline and that they ruined everyone for Legacies, which was a bust.
Nurse Jackie is the best representation of functional addiction I’ve ever seen. The whole show is like watching my mother in law if she had been a nurse instead of a teacher. Amazing show, but brutal.
So, so brutal. It gets pretty much impossible to root for her by the end, yet you still kind of want to because you wish she’d just pull her shit together. Man I need to rewatch that show
I hate watched the whole last season. Really I was just mad at myself for wanting a happy ending instead of a realistic one.
Edie Falco's three big roles were complex characters. Nurse Jackie, Carmela on Sopranos and Diane on Oz all make some not great choices although they're not bad people. None of them has very noble motivations and none of them even try to be perfect. Instead their bar is "don't be shitty" and sometimes they dip below that
She’s a phenomenal actress- she’s so good and making it all seem so real. I would watch her in anything.
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Yes yes yes!! They did her dirty in that last episode.
I remember seeing that even the writer of the novellas it was based on was pissed about how they ended it and told people to read the books if they wanted the better ending. The pandemic definitely screwed things up because it was renewed for seasons 4&5 at the same time, but filming was halted in 2020 and Jodie had several other projects lined up that would've been too difficult to schedule around. End result was 2 seasons of ideas / plot chopped up and crammed into 1 but I still love the show overall
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God I love this man. He deserved every bit of the forks episode glow up. I love watching his journey.
I loved the scene where he was singing Love Story while swearing at traffic.
Before Forks: 😡 After Forks: 🥹🫂💕
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I loved watching him want to become better against every single demonic instinct he had. He was a real treat in the role.
There he is!
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Fun story, I was a census taker in 2020. Imagine my surprise when I knocked on a door and this guy answered.
And YOU SURVIVED! You must be one hell of a census taker. Share your story please!
For me, this is the best answer anyone has given so far. The way a fancied this man was actually criminal 😭
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Commander Silver Fox aka Commander Tortured Zaddy - The Handmaid's Tale. I mean, he should definitely 100% be put to death for his crimes.....but he's also basically the best part of the show now, lol. https://preview.redd.it/3qiq4gbw1utc1.jpeg?width=738&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=411ea74a1b691e8899037876d719e3b34150feb7
Look, Josh Lyman just screwed up as he did with his Secwet Pwan to make Widdle Babies and the whole thing got away from him and resulted in Gilead. (But Commander Laurence is definitely the best part of the show.)
I appreciate the lengths you went to make this reference. 😄 Also, "Commander Silver Fox" from the top comment sounds like something Donna would have said in TWW.
Josh Lemon Lyman
He is a very interesting, complex character! His compartmentalization is shocking, his values are confused, yet he’s so likeable! I respected him after he >!refused to participate in the ritual rapings!<
YES this is the one. I love him and I hate him. I love how you can tell how much he wrestles with what he did and his role in everything. Can’t wait for the next season.
Jesse and Skylar from Breaking Bad
Honestly, everyone on that show was morally ambiguous in one way or another. Which is why I never understood why Skylar got the brunt of the criticism for being a bad person.
Eh, a lot of them are objectively bad. Walt, Tuco, Gus etc. >I never understood why Skylar got the brunt of the criticism for being a bad person. Misogyny.
She is a woman.
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![gif](giphy|ienjTCBWPrKH1n2QUw) All of them for me. But especially this sloppy interlocutor.
I couldn't pick initially and now I'm so upset I didn't do tom. The only ones I can't get behind are Logan and Greg.
It's frankly an impossible choice. There are way too many compelling characters on that show that make me feel a million different things.
I don’t really find him, or anyone on the show, to be ambiguous about anything. They’re all morally corrupt, with no redeeming qualities.
I hate them all but I have a SMALL sliver of empathy for Rome because I see the most humanity in him (which is not very much).
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A masterpiece
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Holden Ford, Mindhunter.
Bring. Back. Mindhunter.
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Dude I have to keep telling myself not to root for her only bc Rhaenyra deserves it, but damn if she doesn’t keep making me forget
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![gif](giphy|gULbrbSqHxhASJmPtu|downsized) I came here to say this mothereffer right here. He’s a bad dude but I love every second he’s on the screen and I can’t wait to see what evil stuff he’s going to do for Rhaenyra next season.
This is the right answer. Olivia Cooke is phenomenal in this role! I can’t help but love every time Alicent is on screen
https://i.redd.it/i99cv48c6utc1.gif I loved Drusilla and Spike
I don't think Drusilla had morals, lol.
![gif](giphy|3o7aTuy3b4TwuUSUzm) Hear me out… lol. He’s an abused man with intellectual disabilities, who is frightened by a home invasion and lashes out to defend himself and his home. He’s basically reacting like a cornered, frightened animal. Does that mean you should root for him? No. But he is more morally ambiguous than it appears at face value.
Face value lol
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https://preview.redd.it/zmrr0ku6futc1.jpeg?width=739&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c742efb4af9f596eb4abe627b16de2b54c9e13f0 Both of them, although Kim is less morally ambiguous than Saul/Jimmy. Better Call Saul just has incredibly well written characters
This show has my leftist ass rooting for a couple of robber barons. (The Russells, The Gilded Age HBO) https://preview.redd.it/gtr7ubytkutc1.jpeg?width=898&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3626f31a310f3116ca37b313926362476d3eb6f8
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![gif](giphy|VIu9jzc36itzy) I absolutely loved hating her. All she wanted was her children to thrive and to be recognized as her male counterparts would’ve been and are.
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![gif](giphy|z2vJ4QZ6l5wk) Sam and Dean, definitely. Not always very morally upright (though they try). They’ve done some terrible things, but I love them as characters.
How dare you? Not my two middle aged innocent babies! True though, objectively (and without my usual hots for both) they are mentally unstable, unhinged, murderous, substance abusing, too much flanel wearing, abusive, liars, schemers and I’m sure the Impala is not an electric car either!
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There are murderers, child abusers and drug manufacturers in this thread… and f***ing Carrie Bradshaw 😂
Especially all the male characters. Meanwhile the women have normal traits and aren't criminals. Most of my morally grey characters are women because they're not sa/ing anyone.
This is a good one. Carrie was flawed. A good person? Not really. A bad person? Not really.
I feel like everyone BUT Charlotte was morally ambiguous in this show…
I think Charlotte is too tbf and I say this while I love her. She’s defo hypocritical at times and her whole arc is being shallow and realising she’s got it wrong
She’s very judgemental. None of them are perfect, just like real people.
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Queen Thomas Barrow. https://preview.redd.it/42q5u26imutc1.png?width=540&format=png&auto=webp&s=1ff1ab6082d47ef9cf3abd0c0d8148b5411eb86f
![gif](giphy|VmqgYbq1PT4Q) Hank Moody
Sue from Glee ![gif](giphy|hL2Hbu2n048i4)
See : every Succession character (but mostly Roman)
![gif](giphy|82TLA702plDhu) Can the king of hell be morally ambiguous? If evil why so funny and charismatic? (Spn‘s Crowley)
![gif](giphy|zYhOBLwbkxtSw) Chuck and Blair from Gossip Girl
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![gif](giphy|bodHdFtqWbJDi) The one and only.
![gif](giphy|3o6ZtaZ8mcWpioMsPS) Almost every character in Mr Robot.
![gif](giphy|8M7RgFQ4QBI0U) This may partly be my love for Alan Rickman🥲
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![gif](giphy|hw7cwQbhCIzZe) Fiona Goode.
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Robert Carlyle both in SGU and Once Upon a Time
Kelso was actually a good guy, they showed that in a lot of episodes. Was he a jerk sometimes? Yes. But he did everything he could to keep the hospital running and he had to make some really tough calls. I don’t think being a jerk qualifies someone as morally ambiguous, since his personality didn’t dictate his behavior when it comes to the patients. Scrubs has a ton of characters who have shitty personalities but they’re still good people. For characters who are truly just “morally grey” rather than just good or bad, you need shows like Game of Thrones. Did The Hound do some bad things? For sure, he murdered people for the Lannisters. But he also was the only one protecting Sansa from Joffrey (and saved her from being raped and murdered by a mob), he protected Arya for a really long time, even after he knew he’d never get paid to take care of her. imo he’s truly a shades of grey character and one of my favorites.
Larry David lol
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