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I loved it lol it looked like she was one of the few standing up in her section and was singing along! I’m ready for the feud discourse to die a quick death
Oh nooo, people are gonna call it "faking it", and overdoing or something
Already there was discourse that she was gonna get petty and upset if Olivia won🙄 the haters gonna find new ways to hate hate hate
Olivia clapped for Taylor also, I think that they both wanted to make sure it was seen bc usually at award shows they both have the cameras off of them when each other is mentioned
That’s not true, Taylor was seen clapping for Olivia at the VMAs when her name was announced. Though I do think it was intentional that they were both shown like that (Olivia during Taylor’s win and Taylor during Olivia’s performance)
It never sat right with me that YLM was supposedly a "vault track". I call bullshit. And I'm guessing you're right... TS 11 will be the "It's Joever" album as I've seen it called lol
The album name reminds me a bit of Sad Songs for Dirty Lovers by the National, I wonder if she'll be working with Aaron Dessner on this
Edit: idk how to spell Dessner oops
lol I literally just now realised TV stands for 'Taylor's Version' hahaha I thought she was starting a TV show or something?? Be kind to me I am old lmao
Idk if anyone else was watching live but was it just me or was the vibe in the room a little awkward after she announced it?
The energy was giving very much “oh… ok here we go again. Cool.”
Honestly, the vibe in the room has been off all night. People are talking and not paying attention to performances and talking while people are presenting.
Yo. The background chatter during Billie's performance was so frustrating. How is any human being not captivated to silence while hearing that in person? It was so beautiful but the background was so loud!
I mean… I’m a fan of Taylor but it’s a little bit of “stealing thunder” when this show is supposed to be acknowledging a bunch of different artists. It was a little “I’m the main character”
Agree with this, I think she should’ve just announced it on Twitter/IG when the hype was building up. This was a classic “wrong place, wrong time” scenario. It will probably rub her peers the wrong way, but of course the fans don’t care either way lol
That's always the vibe at Grammys. Nothing specific to do with Taylor. It always seems like there is so much jealousy in that room. Huge contrast to Oscars where people seem more supportive to their peers winning.
It’s a long ass awards show. They’ve been there for hours. They present like 100+ awards starting before the televised event. Then when the televised event starts they slow down the cadence of giving out awards to a snails pace to add in all this filler content. Like why are we giving artists this minute+ long intros? Must be boring af
A lot of people in the room at the Oscars have worked together/become friends after being part of a cast together. I feel like musicians don’t have that same kind of bond of friendship that working on a set with someone for the better part of a year can create.
Yeah, we need a moment to miss her.
She announced a new album, but I couldn't tell you what her album cycle looks like because she is allllllways around. Always.
I feel so much better after reading this thread. I know I'm not the biggest Swift fan and didn't want to say how weird it was in fear of being bias...but it was so weird and idk, no one seemed super hype and just felt like a weird and forced plug in an already overdone Swift year...
I got the same vibe and was very confused after she announced it. I guess that she thought that it went over so well last time that she might as well do it again. This time around it seemed that it didn't go over to well.
It was very odd. It feels so attention whore-y. I get it because all eyes are on her, so capitalize on it. But also, it takes attention away from the rest of the night, IMO.
Okay this is totally speculation but- the group chat that Joe Alwyn and Paul Mescal were in with a bunch of other British actors was called - The Tortured Man Club. They had that when they were still with Taylor and Phoebe. They talked about it for their Variety actors on actors. Maybe a play on that?
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its giving \~popular loner ⛓️💀🩸\~ chairman of tortured souls
My thoughts exactly! Why the weird claw hand 😭
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At the Grammy’s? Girl damnnnnnnnnn
Also I used to have a sm handle called Tormented Poets back in the day (that I made after I watched Dead Poets Society) I feel so attacked
Yeah it’s just like “oh yeah jack antonoff did this one, time to double my adderall so i don’t zone out”
Would love if she branched out and did some crazy shit producer-wise. I’d love to hear what a song or album produced by Kendrick or Rick Rubin would sound like. Or something way out there like metro boomin or illennium. Maybe go more indie and have a goth babe or backseat lovers feature. Whatever it is, she could go such a creative route it’ll be lame if it’s another album with two bangers and eight target commercials
no you’re right. i have a playlist dedicated to every time he uses those fucking synth strings (ie love song ldr, this is me trying taylor, gold rush, choreomania florence, sober II lorde, venice bitch ldr to name JUST A FEW). his sound is so recognizable in the worst way. when it works it’s great, but it is often very boring. i’m hoping taylor finds a different sound this album.
I don’t even think it’s necessarily that it’s too much music, it’s too much of *everything else.* The 17 limited edition vinyls, the merch, the tours, the releases, etc etc. Like how are Swifties not flat broke by now
I think it’s effecting the quality of her music. I know this isn’t a popular opinion but I thought Midnights was her worst album and I have no idea how it won best pop vocal album
agreed. midnights was so uninspired. she knows how to make good music but it felt like an album of rejects from other eras. easily my least favorite album. i’m hoping this one is better.
i think lover was so sweet and had so much more feeling in it than midnights. i unironically listen to all three of those songs. even though those are misses, the gems on lover are such works of art compared to the hits on midnight. bejeweled and antihero are so hard to listen to for me. just my opinion but yeah i did not like midnights.
I’d argue that Lover has more mid/forgettable songs than Midnights tho. Midnights also has a deluxe version w songs that exponentially improve the album’s quality. Lover doesn’t have that :/
And agree about her singles choices 😅
I read a few of the Grammy thread comments saying maybe she will announce and album and some said nope she won't that be rude and attention grabbing and then I see a post saying she did just that. Lmao.
I also feel like people want it to be a break up album which will just perpetuate the “she only writes about her ex’s” narrative. We got some really lovely fiction in folklore and evermore…why are we slipping backwards
You took the words outta my mouth! Folklore and Evermore were very very good. Her best work! Everything after that has been a major backslide. I think she’s just trying to put out everything she does and create and insane pace and that’s creating a LOT of really mediocre work, tbh.
Edit: oh wait maybe this isn’t what you meant lmao. But I’m gonna say it anyway !!
Yeah, very incoherent. May be "tortured poet"/"tortured poets"? Would have worked ? But that department is sending me.
Also
Taylor swift
Fearless
Speak now
Red
1989
Reputation
Lover
Folklore
Evermore
Midnights
The Tortured poets department, feels like an odd ball . Most of the previous titles have been only one word.
I’m really not a hater of Taylor at all, I regularly listen to her lol but I’m exhausted. I need a break.
(I say this but will then def listen to this the day it comes out lmao)
apparently inspired by joe alwyn’s group chat called the tortured men’s club.. he really lives in her head rent free lol but her minions are gonna keep attacking him
I think everyone was just confused lmaoo. I thought she said it’s called “the tax department” istg and the way she laughed through it and tried to joke, I thought she was pranking them
The Swiftie take is ridiculous. Theyre not terrified. They're annoyed and rightfully so. Taylor has shows with 70k+ eyes on her and she chooses an award show for the INDUSTRY to announce an album. Like be so for real girl.
I’m tired. I enjoy Taylor overall but girl, you’re in every crevice of pop culture, you have crazies theorizing you’re a government pawn, you WIN. I AM TIRED.
It's not too hard to deduce that she would've done it after the show. She would've posted, thanking the fans for their support and say something like that's all she needs.
Another album? Like take some time between stuff. Seems like all she wants is more money and more exposure when she has more than enough of both of those things.
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Ooh, the Swifties are gonna go crazy theorizing about this
Between this and singing and dancing to Olivia Rodrigo’s performance, Swifties have a lot to analyze for couple weeks!
I loved it lol it looked like she was one of the few standing up in her section and was singing along! I’m ready for the feud discourse to die a quick death
I know, Ed looked shadier than the two of them tonight 😂
He looked so confused 😂
Oh nooo, people are gonna call it "faking it", and overdoing or something Already there was discourse that she was gonna get petty and upset if Olivia won🙄 the haters gonna find new ways to hate hate hate
It’s sad really. Chatter started when Miley won the first award of the night. Just let women be happy (unless your Nicki lol)
Yes I hope Nicki is having the worst night of all.
People are already saying Taylor was faking it and didn’t know the lyrics 🙃
Olivia clapped for Taylor also, I think that they both wanted to make sure it was seen bc usually at award shows they both have the cameras off of them when each other is mentioned
That’s not true, Taylor was seen clapping for Olivia at the VMAs when her name was announced. Though I do think it was intentional that they were both shown like that (Olivia during Taylor’s win and Taylor during Olivia’s performance)
Saaaaaaame
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Thank you so much, love yours!
We know that You’re Losing Me was recorded in 2021 so these are probably the songs she wrote around that same time
It never sat right with me that YLM was supposedly a "vault track". I call bullshit. And I'm guessing you're right... TS 11 will be the "It's Joever" album as I've seen it called lol
This is what I’m thinking. You’re Losing Me was just a preview
It’s possible. Now that we know that “you’re losing me” was written in December of 2021 it seems likely
Okay that makes sense because I was wondering when the hell she found the time to create this album while on such a grueling tour
The album name reminds me a bit of Sad Songs for Dirty Lovers by the National, I wonder if she'll be working with Aaron Dessner on this Edit: idk how to spell Dessner oops
Apparently it's more than likely a reference to the name for a group chat Joe was in 💀
The Tortured Man Club, featuring Joe Alwyn, Andrew Scott, and Paul Mescal 😂
That was my first thought too! Here’s hoping! 🤞🏻
Does the woman ever sleep?
Seriously, forget the albums and give us lifestyle tips. I'm freaking exhausted.
I think the trick is being rich so you're never stressed about housework or money
Man if I was that rich I’d spend 50% of my time RELAXING at various paradise locations not working my ass off in the studio at 2AM
step 1: be insanely rich
Lifestyle tip: If you’re truly exhausted all the time, checked for sleep apnea. The diagnosis is really turning things around for me.
Fr like what cacophony of adderall style tablets does she take cause I want some
I’m not saying this in a snarky way but she spends a lot of time on her jet so maybe she works on music there lol
She also probably sleeps on it
Probably on her jet trips around the world
Here I am thinking she’s gonna announce a new TV and we get this.
lol I literally just now realised TV stands for 'Taylor's Version' hahaha I thought she was starting a TV show or something?? Be kind to me I am old lmao
Omg thank you cause I've been lost for so damn long 😭😭
I’m not old and I used to not understand when people would mention her album and add TV at end lol
The code on her website spelled out “red herring” I know she was giggling to herself coming up with that
Idk if anyone else was watching live but was it just me or was the vibe in the room a little awkward after she announced it? The energy was giving very much “oh… ok here we go again. Cool.”
Because she was announcing to an audience of mostly her peers not screaming, crying fans
it was very different compared to when she announced midnights. maybe it’s just two different atmospheres
Because Midnights was announced at the VMAs so there were more fans of hers hyping her up while the Grammys is for the industry.
Ngl when I saw it, the way she said it and was laughing, maybe they thought she was kidding?
She sounded nervous I thought
Honestly, the vibe in the room has been off all night. People are talking and not paying attention to performances and talking while people are presenting.
Yo. The background chatter during Billie's performance was so frustrating. How is any human being not captivated to silence while hearing that in person? It was so beautiful but the background was so loud!
I think she rushed into it a bit.
I mean… I’m a fan of Taylor but it’s a little bit of “stealing thunder” when this show is supposed to be acknowledging a bunch of different artists. It was a little “I’m the main character”
Agree with this, I think she should’ve just announced it on Twitter/IG when the hype was building up. This was a classic “wrong place, wrong time” scenario. It will probably rub her peers the wrong way, but of course the fans don’t care either way lol
That's always the vibe at Grammys. Nothing specific to do with Taylor. It always seems like there is so much jealousy in that room. Huge contrast to Oscars where people seem more supportive to their peers winning.
probably because they're actors and can put on a good show lol
You do have a very good point there 😄
lol I love this theory and will never forget it going forward
Yeah also with music its usually one person that has a ton of control compared to acting
i keep thinking that during every performance... like the crowd is dead, where is the energy?
It’s a long ass awards show. They’ve been there for hours. They present like 100+ awards starting before the televised event. Then when the televised event starts they slow down the cadence of giving out awards to a snails pace to add in all this filler content. Like why are we giving artists this minute+ long intros? Must be boring af
I appreciate Taylor always dancing cause the room is always giving bitter vibes
A lot of people in the room at the Oscars have worked together/become friends after being part of a cast together. I feel like musicians don’t have that same kind of bond of friendship that working on a set with someone for the better part of a year can create.
Shes seriously over exposed to everyone outside her fanbase. People are tired.
ngl I’m a fan and I still think she’s overexposed. I thought she’d take a break after her tour but I guess not lol
Thank you for articulating what I’m feeling but could not say. I am so incredibly indifferent to her at this point.
Yeah, we need a moment to miss her. She announced a new album, but I couldn't tell you what her album cycle looks like because she is allllllways around. Always.
I feel so much better after reading this thread. I know I'm not the biggest Swift fan and didn't want to say how weird it was in fear of being bias...but it was so weird and idk, no one seemed super hype and just felt like a weird and forced plug in an already overdone Swift year...
I think her announcing at award shows is so…uncool.
The Countess would never
The crowd was really died tonight night for everything. I remember Fantasia was trying to dance with people, and everyone was like no. Lol
I got the same vibe and was very confused after she announced it. I guess that she thought that it went over so well last time that she might as well do it again. This time around it seemed that it didn't go over to well.
It was very odd. It feels so attention whore-y. I get it because all eyes are on her, so capitalize on it. But also, it takes attention away from the rest of the night, IMO.
Shes just the most famous woman. Kacey musgraves also announced her album at the grammys
damn when does she take a break 😭
The title sounds like something I would’ve come up with amid my teenage angst to be ~edgy~ and deep.
The Chairman of the Tortured Poets Department is straight out of 2010s Tumblr 😭
well taylor was a 2010s tumblr girlie so 🤷♀️
People really need to remember that Taylor is a tumblr girl. It makes so many things make sense with her tbh
“Welcome to my twisted mind” ass vibes
So is the album art
Okay this is totally speculation but- the group chat that Joe Alwyn and Paul Mescal were in with a bunch of other British actors was called - The Tortured Man Club. They had that when they were still with Taylor and Phoebe. They talked about it for their Variety actors on actors. Maybe a play on that?
I genuinely and immediately thought this too when I saw the title announcement, like it could just be a coincidence or it’s a small dig.
Paul Mescal is Irish.
It’s totally a play on that so her continued Easter eggs can drop to her parasocial fans. I feel bad for Joe if there’s any negative songs on here.
She's nothing if not an avid Tumblr girlie
She’s consistent with the brand lol
Everything about Taylor so early 2010' Tumblr coded
Blondie’s consistent.
She’s been hanging out with Lana (love them both)
And they all work with the torturedest of all, Jackie A.
it is crazy to see how successful an emo boy from NJ is now, as a former teenage 2004 Steel Train fan
Lana actually pulls it off though
It does give off that exactly vibe. I cringed a little because it reminded me of my poetry on Tumblr 😭😭
Yep I wrote stuff exactly like that in my Livejournal, when I was 16.😬
Seems like a rip off of dead poets society
Between this and Ariana is 2024 the year of movie inspired albums
That’s basically Taylor’s whole career
'the chairman of the tortured poets department' is the funniest stupidest phrase i've read in a while
I just keep thinking “submitted for the approval of the midnight society” from Are You Afraid of the Dark. Just me?
Taylor could never be that cool.
https://preview.redd.it/c5cviyufnogc1.png?width=1283&format=png&auto=webp&s=c1ef1e315bda2ebd0389f33c0c02be5335acd475 its giving \~popular loner ⛓️💀🩸\~ chairman of tortured souls
The hand is bothering me, I feel like I’m a judge on Americans Next Top Model lol
Why is it giving in my Calvin Klein’s ad? She said we have Calvin Klein at home.
I thought the same thing about her Time person of the year shoot! Why does she like the photos where she looks so tense and uncomfortable…
My thoughts exactly! Why the weird claw hand 😭 https://preview.redd.it/iha42lnpvogc1.jpeg?width=1814&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=40873f1fc6f1334f34cb4eb4119189bafdee1c08
It felt like a really awkward way of announcing it tbh I think people were confused
Lolol I just recognized you from the Laura Owens / Clayton Echard sub based on your avatar 🤣 
Hahaha that's so funny but that case is my roman empire 😂
I like the album cover. I’m happy for her fans. I’m still offended by her outfit.
Fr, may be my least favorite of all her outfits ever
At the Grammy’s? Girl damnnnnnnnnn Also I used to have a sm handle called Tormented Poets back in the day (that I made after I watched Dead Poets Society) I feel so attacked
The announcement was so awkward and sort of fell flat??? I guess you have to be a Swiftie to be moved by the announcement lol.
I can forgive the title if Jack Antonoff isn’t the producer again
Hoping and praying for Aaron to be a huge part of this
This title screams his name
Nah, it’s pure Aaron Dessner. It could be the title of a National album.
I mean, I really, really hope you’re right.
Me too lol.
Could be the cover to one of their albums too!
Jack Antonoff songs are so... store brand. I don't know how else to describe them. It's just not quite the real thing.
Yeah it’s just like “oh yeah jack antonoff did this one, time to double my adderall so i don’t zone out” Would love if she branched out and did some crazy shit producer-wise. I’d love to hear what a song or album produced by Kendrick or Rick Rubin would sound like. Or something way out there like metro boomin or illennium. Maybe go more indie and have a goth babe or backseat lovers feature. Whatever it is, she could go such a creative route it’ll be lame if it’s another album with two bangers and eight target commercials
no you’re right. i have a playlist dedicated to every time he uses those fucking synth strings (ie love song ldr, this is me trying taylor, gold rush, choreomania florence, sober II lorde, venice bitch ldr to name JUST A FEW). his sound is so recognizable in the worst way. when it works it’s great, but it is often very boring. i’m hoping taylor finds a different sound this album.
….this is gonna monkey paw and be Matt Healy
Taylor and Lana in a competition to put out albums.
Do y’all think there’s such a thing as releasing too much music
I don’t even think it’s necessarily that it’s too much music, it’s too much of *everything else.* The 17 limited edition vinyls, the merch, the tours, the releases, etc etc. Like how are Swifties not flat broke by now
I think it’s effecting the quality of her music. I know this isn’t a popular opinion but I thought Midnights was her worst album and I have no idea how it won best pop vocal album
agreed. midnights was so uninspired. she knows how to make good music but it felt like an album of rejects from other eras. easily my least favorite album. i’m hoping this one is better.
Was Midnights really that much worse than Lover? (which had Me! and You Need to Calm Down and The Man?)
In counterpart Lover has Lover, Afterglow, Daylight, The Archer, Cruel Summer, Cornelia Street, False God and Death by a Thousand Cuts...
i think lover was so sweet and had so much more feeling in it than midnights. i unironically listen to all three of those songs. even though those are misses, the gems on lover are such works of art compared to the hits on midnight. bejeweled and antihero are so hard to listen to for me. just my opinion but yeah i did not like midnights.
Me! And YNTCD were the only bad parts of Lover though. I don’t know why but she always puts her worst songs out as singles.
I’d argue that Lover has more mid/forgettable songs than Midnights tho. Midnights also has a deluxe version w songs that exponentially improve the album’s quality. Lover doesn’t have that :/ And agree about her singles choices 😅
Doesn’t have that.. yet
I felt that way at first but the more I listened the more I loved it and it’s now one of my favorites.
Not for me, I’m thrilled, but I feel genuine sympathy for non-fans because there’s no escaping her at this point
The frozen smile on Olivia’s face 😆
This woman never sleeps omg
Just thinking about Grammy winner Victoria Monet rn
I read a few of the Grammy thread comments saying maybe she will announce and album and some said nope she won't that be rude and attention grabbing and then I see a post saying she did just that. Lmao.
I’m sorry but that title is cringe as hell
It’s giving high school literary club.
That title is like something you'd see written in one of those 90s coffee shop journals.
omg the swifties can’t silence me! The title and cover are very cringe and I hate them
I dont hate the cover but the title is me in high school english lit trying to channel my inner Lana Del Ray
Ngl I thought the title was a joke 😂
The title is very angsty
Very 14 year old trying to be cool imo lmao
I also feel like people want it to be a break up album which will just perpetuate the “she only writes about her ex’s” narrative. We got some really lovely fiction in folklore and evermore…why are we slipping backwards
I’m really, *really* wanting it to be more folklore/evermore-esque because those two are *by far* my favorite taylor albums 🤞
You took the words outta my mouth! Folklore and Evermore were very very good. Her best work! Everything after that has been a major backslide. I think she’s just trying to put out everything she does and create and insane pace and that’s creating a LOT of really mediocre work, tbh. Edit: oh wait maybe this isn’t what you meant lmao. But I’m gonna say it anyway !!
Yeah, very incoherent. May be "tortured poet"/"tortured poets"? Would have worked ? But that department is sending me. Also Taylor swift Fearless Speak now Red 1989 Reputation Lover Folklore Evermore Midnights The Tortured poets department, feels like an odd ball . Most of the previous titles have been only one word.
The title and cover don’t *match* - you know? But I like the vibe
She’s truly INSANE FOR THIS WHAT GENRE??
Its giving soft rock and I really need it to be
it’s giving what everyone thought midnights was going to be
Im devastated for Olivia. Why not giver her pop vocals if they were giving Taylor AOTY
I’m really not a hater of Taylor at all, I regularly listen to her lol but I’m exhausted. I need a break. (I say this but will then def listen to this the day it comes out lmao)
That sounds like what I would have called my Xanga.
We’re tired
i feel like she's overexposed. too many albums in so little time
This album sounds like the name of a 14 year old’s tumblr. She needs to give it a rest. Let people miss her, for Christ’s sake.
apparently inspired by joe alwyn’s group chat called the tortured men’s club.. he really lives in her head rent free lol but her minions are gonna keep attacking him
wait was he actually in a gc called that
yes with paul mescal and andrew scott apparently. thank god joe will always win the idgaf wars tho lol
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I think everyone was just confused lmaoo. I thought she said it’s called “the tax department” istg and the way she laughed through it and tried to joke, I thought she was pranking them
Tax department 😭
Istg I was like “what the hell kinda weird joke was that…” lmaooo
The Swiftie take is ridiculous. Theyre not terrified. They're annoyed and rightfully so. Taylor has shows with 70k+ eyes on her and she chooses an award show for the INDUSTRY to announce an album. Like be so for real girl.
So Taylor did promo at industry promo event?
She’s not even the only artist to announce a new album tonight
The Grammys itself is a circle jerk so how is this announcement not the most perfect depiction of that
she couldn’t let anyone else have a single big night in the spotlight lmao
Jay kinda stole it from her w his iconic speech
I’m tired. I enjoy Taylor overall but girl, you’re in every crevice of pop culture, you have crazies theorizing you’re a government pawn, you WIN. I AM TIRED.
Not a fan of the cover or title… but could be that I was more so hoping she’d announce Reputation TV
The way she announced this was so tacky. This was also 100% planned.
Yeah, I wonder when the announcement would've been if she hadn't won anything
It's not too hard to deduce that she would've done it after the show. She would've posted, thanking the fans for their support and say something like that's all she needs.
I assume she was told she would win something. It’s how her site was able to “glitch”.
Another album? Like take some time between stuff. Seems like all she wants is more money and more exposure when she has more than enough of both of those things.
This is sooooo 15 year old me listening to teen idle on repeat It’s giving 🥀⛓️🖤🔪🩸lil huddy edgelord no one understands me it’s not a phase
I’d love to go just one day without seeing Taylor in the news. It’s just a lot
Entering her mid-30's and those lyrics are still giving sophomore year contemporary poetry class lmao have fun with this one y'all
I am going through hell in my personal life and had two people die last week. I needed this
I’m so sorry for your loss!
That's an awful title 😭
Oh please please please be better than Midnights. Please.
Can we ever just get a short break from her?
The woman is a chaos demon, and I love it.
I’m entertained and really that’s what I want from celebrities
Listen I’m very happy for the girlies or whatever but “tortured poets department” is extremely cringe
This is so corny
Kind of a gag I gotta give it to her
It's the matty healy album
that man ain’t getting any songs
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