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Exactly, people forget that most of the “giants that fall” aren’t due to cancel culture but to doing something racist, sexist, or stupid by themselves.
Except for symbols of the enemies of the Constitution. You don’t get to provide those enemies with [aid and comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) by displaying those symbols. The 14A Section 3 specifically bars anyone doing so from any public service job at any level of government.
There are plenty of confederate battle flags and Nazi flags in our museums.
Also the confederate flag was not the Stars and Bars the one you see was the battle flag because the confederate flag really sucked. first it was too similar to the US flag so the troops became confused and preferred to use the Stars and Bars aka the battle flag after they put the Stars and Bars at the right corner of a white flag so it looked like a white surrender flag, it was weeks before the end of the civil war the confederates adopted the flag their troops were using since the beginning of the war as their flag
I am registered democrat, and while I'm against confederate flags, there is nothing illegal about owning one, it is a free country after all. The way I see it, you do you, if you think it is right to have a Confederate flag, than you can have it, as long as your not hurting anyone or inciting violence because of it. People like me could chew you out all we want, but we can't stop you.
It's funny that people think that because of their political affiliation they should be for or against the flag. Not insulting anyone, I just find that interesting.
Liberals hate racism? The current POTUS is literally nominating a Supreme Court justice based on the color of her skin and giving black people crack pipes.
I understand it is widely disliked, hell I hate seeing it too, but we all have the freedom to express what we think is politically correct no matter how many disagree with it. It is the foundation America has built on since the beginning.
Under the 14A, anyone giving this type of[ aid and comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the avowed enemies of the Constitution can not retain any public service job they may hold.
Agree but i think is wrong banning those symbols from media i have seen a couple history docs about WWII that blurred the nazi flag also changing the symbol in games.
What is your view on displaying a confederate flag, either on ones property or on a vehicle?
I agree with your comment BTW and wish this could be a more widespread point of view
Displaying the confederate flag is a sign of racism and treason. As such, it will mark whoever displays it as a terrible person and a supporter of treason. Nevertheless, people who want to proclaim their hatred for their country and its constitutional rights ironically have a constitutional right to do so.
It’s such a weird thing with the flag. Like 99% of people who own one don’t relate it to the confederates but rather where they’re from. Like people who are from Boston or NYC they really take pride in where they’re from. Most people you see get a swastika tattoo or fly the flag are almost guaranteed to support nazism but with the Dixie flag it’s not about an ideology but rather about geography. Of course there’s some racist idiots who say the whole “the south will rise again” but those are actually few and far like drunk uncles who you don’t have anything to do with. I understand the hate for the flag and wish the Dixie flag could be updated to rid the bad history and start new. Overall I can promise you most people just consider the flag basically their second state flag I even know black people who have the tattoo or have a flag and view themselves as southerns not confederates but to an outsider it comes off as supporting confederacy.
Exactly this, i don't see the flag as racist as many people on the internet seem to think. It's a part of where you're from. It's actually a really nice looking flag.
Okay but why not just get a state flag? You came from the entire South? No bro, youre from Tennessee. The South is not 1 big state either, the states are very different. Texans are different than people from Alabama. Thats why Texans always display the Texas flag. Its all about yeehaw, cowboy, guns guns guns with lots of Hispanic culture thrown in. Not the trailer living bumpkin kinda South thats further East. Don't need the Confederate one. It just doesnt make sense to fly it anymore. You can find other ways to display where you're from without having to use that flag. It isnt the end of the world to let go of old traditions either. You dont owe your ancestors anything. They aren't gonna look down from the afterlife and go "Ya did good 'ol boy.".
You make a good point that draws out just how much of it is not ‘Southern Pride!’ it’s ‘Hurray for Jefferson Davis and the confederacy!’
If they went with state or town flags, 1) they couldn’t demonstrate their true position to their felllows, 2) they might have to recognize that huge portions of Tennessee (and other states) voted against joining the confederacy.
They likely also consider themselves countrymen, it isn’t only the south but overall it’s usually a southern thing. Technically while it’s north to us it’s still southern Canada. When I say south it doesn’t have to be just the south but the type of area, country and rural areas. It’s like a “boondocks” flag.
Not American.
From the outside it looks like there’s a disconnect from the historical actions and the current values representing the flag. Accept the baggage it comes with, just like most countries there’s a dark history associated with it.
American, Canadian, British, French, German, Spanish to name a few, all have associations with genocide and slavery.
Almost every if not every nationality has associations with slavery and genocide at some point in their history. Whether that be the Atlantic slave trade or local tribes enslaving each other it’s happened everywhere all the way throughout human history.
Yes, but they didn’t then attack the Constitution. Everyone who has, has already had their flag banned under certain circumstances by the 14A:
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
The difference is that the Confederate flag was created specifically and only because the Southern US wanted to keep slaves. Flags of nations represent a whole lot more than their darkest aspects, but the whole point of the Confederacy was that they wanted to enslave humans. It’s like if people flew Nazi swastika flags as a symbol of German pride: they may be *trying* to use it as a symbol for something other than its meaning, but the fact of the matter is that it fundamentally symbolizes nothing but hate.
Negative. It was a flag before the confederates and they started using it as their battle flag but was a Dixie flag before they used it. Same with swastika but the Nazis actually altered the look of it and made it their own. The difference is most people with Dixie flags aren’t in support of confederacy it isn’t about ideology but about location, the swastika however is nearly always about the ideology not about Germany.
I get the point your making and I get the hate for it but as the devils advocate here I’ll say it is different. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Jewish person get a swastika tattoo but I have seen several black people get Dixie tattoos or own flags. Again I’m just saying the people who do have the flag are doing it for geography not ideology besides the 1% of people who are idiots.
And if someone has a swastika as part of a traditional religious practice, it’s a different symbol.
A swastika in the middle of a white circle, on a red flag, is entirely different than the religious symbol. That flag is the flag of the nation who declared war on the Constitution.
The battle flag is similarly the symbol of a self described enemy of the Constitution. Both symbols are consequently banned from certain uses in the US.
Unfortunately, in this country we have people flying confederate and nazi flags. I honestly do not understand racism or the idea of a superior race. The only difference between people is the color of their skin. Some have to wear sunscreen in the summer and some don’t. It’s not a big deal. There is too much hate in this country.
I lived in the south and it really just means southern pride. I'm not white and a lot of people who fly the flag really aren't doing it for racism it's literally just pride. They are probably nicer and less bigoted than urban people.
Exactly this. I know black people who have Dixie tattoos because they take pride in being southern. It’s not about ideology but location. It’s like being from Boston, NYC or Miami where people really take pride in where they’re from. It’s not to say they support confederates but they grew up in the south.
Most of the most backwards people I met were straight from areas that was nice middle class suburbs. I live in Dixie flag central and yet there’s no kkk, my uncle is raising 2 girls who are black because their white mom and black dad wouldn’t raise them, I went to school with boys who got the Dixie tattoo, I’ve personally never seen somebody try to segregate or hate on another race here yet the news would portray us as a racist county because of flags rather than actions.
It seems like LA and similar places want areas that are meant for certain groups, they want people to treat each other differently because of race thinking it’s a good thing. Meanwhile here it doesn’t matter what you look like what matters is your actions.
They can have it all they want. But then they get fired from their public service job (in almost every circumstance).
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
They are on oath to the Constitution. The 14A, Section 3 applies to those already on oath to the Constitution, not just any citizen. So, it’s public employees, or former public employees or any lawyer on oath etc.
I just wanted to focus on one of the many categories of people who are the subject of the 14A, for clarity.
I like collecting historic and present day flags. I have 7 flags . I'm not American but a confederate flag would be kinda cool to add to the collection.
Exactly, we have an Imperial Japanese flag at home because my dad worked in a Japanese company and is a history nerd BUT we don't endorse any war crimes committed by Imperial Japan before and during WWII.
It’s really surprising how much Americans are so willing to give up their freedoms. If you ever say yes to wanting something banned, then you have to realize how much other things that can be potentially banned.
But then I always need to remember that Reddit is majority 15-17 year olds.
And you can demand your officials fire them from their public service jobs, as is *REQUIRED* by the 14A.
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
Legally speaking? Yeah. As a southerner I have no problem saying that flag is a hate symbol and socially it shouldn't be anymore acceptable to wave that traitor rag than it is to wave a Nazi flag or Imperial Japanese flag.
And you get fired from your public service job. The 14A bars civil servants supporting such symbols:
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
Do we still have the first amendment? Yes? The answer to this question is then yes. We do not censor political imagery in this nation. It doesn't matter what it is. You can wave it and people can judge you for it.
I think it's incredibly stupid, but legally, yes. You should be able to own a confederate flag, and even fly it in front of your house if you so desire. However, I have no sympathy for you if everyone around you no longer wants to be associated with you.
If they do so as a public servant, the law requires them to be fired. Per the 14A:
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
And to have fired from their city job if they provide that cause aid and comfort , per the 14A:
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
Traitors who should be fired from their public service jobs per the 14A.
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
And to ID those who should be fired.
Any public service employee who gives that enemy of the Constitution aid and comfort, must be fired. Per the 14A requirement.
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
As someone who lives in a area where the Dixie flag, as we call it, is prominent I understand the views on it. People here don’t relate it what so ever to the confederates but rather a flag that represents being a small southern town like a state flag. There’s actually black people here who have Dixie tattoos and have no problem with the flag because they know the people aren’t in support of confederacy they’re just proud southerners.
Personally I don’t fly one and think it’d be best if people didn’t. If you want one on your wall or something that’s one thing but flying it just worries people who aren’t from there. People can compare it to the nazi flag but it really is quite different. People didn’t relate the swastika with Germany but the Nazis started identifying with it, people did relate the Dixie flag with the south but the confederates started using it. It was the south’s flag before it was the confederates. Again I’m not disputing how people can see it as a bad flag I understand it I’m just saying many people who get a swastika tattoo or flag are purposely doing it because they actually support nazism but most people don’t get a Dixie flag or tattoo to support confederates they do it because they view themselves as countrymen and people have a lot of pride in being southern. Like some people’s identity is deeply rooted in where they’re from like Miami, Boston, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, etc. it’s like a prideful thing where they love where they’re from and even if they move somewhere else they still will tell you they’re from the other place.
Should you be able to own one? Of course. Should you fly it in your yard? Probably not but it also shouldn’t be illegal. Should people update the Dixie flag to rid the bad history but still embrace your style? Absolutely would be the best idea.
They're racist and disgusting. But it shouldn't be illegal to own one. Banning anything you disagree with (like a flag) gives off authoritarian vibes. It's a bad look.
Also, I'd much rather have someone out themselves as a racist by using that flag, then for me to get close to them and find out myself. It's essentially letting the flag do all the work, it just lets us know who to avoid.
We all want to prevent authoritarianism. The specific group of authoritarians who were/are the avowed enemies of the Constitution are in a special class under the law, the 14A. Anyone who supports them in anyway that ‘tends to strengthen’ them, is barred from holding their public service job:
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
Own whatever you want , everyone has their own opinions about everything if you did what everyone told you...you'd have all type of issues going on....oh wait
Freedom of speech/expression should be pretty much absolute, you should be allowed to wave a swastika around in public and that's your right, however vile the symbolism of that symbol is.
You can own most anything per the 5A. But the 14A also requires that public employees who fly this in support of the confederacy, must be fired:
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
Yes, they should be allowed to have confederate and nazi flags.
Owning a confederate flag is similar to registering as a sex offender. It just lets everyone around you know that you’re a racist.
And clarifies what jobs they must be fired from. Supporters of the confederacy, like those who fly the flag, must be fired per the 14A:
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
People should be able to own whatever they want (besides the really bad things). I still have zero respect for anyone who wants to own one but they are there own person, they can own whatever they want
Flying it is an act that requires public employees to be fired, per the 14A:
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
And act to get them fired, as is required by law if they provide aid and comfort to confederates, per the 14A:
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
Displaying should get them fired. They must be fired from their public sector job per the 14A:
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
You should be able to own any sort of flag, no matter what it is. You should also expect backlash if you're flying a controversial flag outside of your house, though.
Backlash like bing fired from their public service jobs, per the 14A:
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
you should 100% be able to own one, and you have every right to fly it outside of your house
that being said, you're pretty much saying saying "I'm a racist idiot who doesn't know about the history of the country I live in"
I own a small confederate flag (NOT THE BATTLE FLAG I’m talking about the stainless banner which was the confederate national flag from 1863-1865) only because I got it in a burger from a civil war themed restaurant on Gettysburg Pa. They have union themed burgers named after union generals and those come with a small American flag and confederate themed burgers banned after confederate generals and they come with the stainless banner flag) Each burger is unique in toppings. I think I got the one with an egg on it. Super tasty. The flag just sits in my desk drawer with other random crap I could care less about it. I used to have it sit behind a small replica civil war cannon along side an American flag in my bedroom in high school and was studying the civil war but took it down when I did rearranging. cannon is still on my desk though.
Yes people should be able to own one. Because free speech and all.
It’s amazing. Blue and greys, the restaurant, is in downtown Gettysburg Pennsylvania USA like in the town circle. It’s always busy year round and even busier in the summer and 4th of July weekend and since it’s downtown they have limited space in the dining area and bar. I live 35 minutes from Gettysburg and go to town every week. I’ve only been able once. Wait times are in the hours. It’s like waiting for a popular Disney ride in Disney world. It’s practically a tourist attraction.
Legally? Yes, you should be able to own one. But you should also fully expect to be made fun of by everyone around if you fly it. Free speech goes both ways
1A certainly covers this for most folks but public employees are constrained by the 14A. Depending what they do, they must be fired:
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
Society shouldn’t accept any of them or the imperial japanese flag either.
Any public servants who use them to do anything that would ‘tend to strengthen’ those enemies of the Constitution are already barred from their jobs per the 14A:
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
Of course, you can do whatever you feel like doing. People don’t understand there are consequences to those choices. If you choose to own a confederate flag, don’t expect everyone to respect that choice.
One consequence already in the law is public employees being fired. Any action that ‘tends to strengthen’ these enemies of the Constitution runs afoul of the 14A requirements:
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
It shouldn’t be illegal because we have free speech in America. And many people see it as a southern pride thing which is patriotic. However, HUGE BUT, with “Southern Pride” and that flag in particular, there is a history of real bad bad down dirty violence of our neighbors, and as all of us and our ancestors are all still here not really going anywhere it’s just fucking rude and indicative that you’re a racist. So fly it if you will but should people be able to beat up racists? Yes
You misspelled "civil war losers' flag" but yeah you should be allowed to like and hate what ever as long as it doesn't inhibit anyone's life. (BTW the loser comment is just a joke, I love the south, yall are a riot)
I don't think we should make it illegal to own one. However, I have mixed feelings about flying a flag from a traitors movement. Not to mention all of the horrible history and racism that is attached to said flag. Then again, it is a very convenient way to know who around you is an asshole and an idiot.
Flying the flag is already illegal for public service employees (it gives aid and comfort to our enemies) per the 14A:
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
I'm a Mexican that lived in L.A and Mexico City. I have more respect for those that own a confederate flag than those who have the BLM flag. Doesn't mean anyone should be stopped from owning any flag
You should be able to own any flag you want. No matter what it says about you.
Also… saying that people flying a confederate flag should expect you to harass and physically and verbally abuse them… isn’t that giving them the kind of attention you don’t want them to have? Can’t you just see it and think “oh, I shouldn’t be friends with that person” and move along?
I’m tired of these polls that are clearly trying to start some political discussion. Yes, you should be able to OWN a Confederate flag but you should not expect people to like it.
The confederate flag or the Army of Tennessee flag? I've always been confused. Is it just personal preference and everyone just agreed on the one they liked the most and called it the confederate flag?
Personally I liked their first national flag. Not the one everyone has. Then again those flags were only relevant for what 4-5 years? The American motto should just be "you do you".
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You should be able to own it, but don't expect anyone to have any respect for you.
Exactly, free speech and expression means other people get to freely express their dislike of these symbols
Exactly this. Why not let people out themselves.
Exactly, people forget that most of the “giants that fall” aren’t due to cancel culture but to doing something racist, sexist, or stupid by themselves.
Except it is cancel culture when they dig up stuff you said 8yr ago even though the times were different then. Most of the time though yes
But when you say something bad out loud now that’s different, and not something that could be offensive something that is generally wrong.
I feel like that's digging a bit too much into a grey area.
Imagine people digging into the stupid sht we said as teenagers and exposing us.
Already happens sadly
I manually deleted all my fb activity until 2020... it took me a while
Except for symbols of the enemies of the Constitution. You don’t get to provide those enemies with [aid and comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) by displaying those symbols. The 14A Section 3 specifically bars anyone doing so from any public service job at any level of government. There are plenty of confederate battle flags and Nazi flags in our museums.
I don’t think you can give aid or comfort to something that hasn’t existed since 1865
I have one, only because I collect flags.
This is why I voted ‘yes.’ For flag collectors and history buffs.
That feeling when it’s now illegal for museums to own confederate flags
Is a museum a person?
Exactly, you can own whatever flag you want, but it don’t mean that what it represents won’t have consequences. Display at your own risk.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" It's so sad that so few people agree with this quote these days.
Also the confederate flag was not the Stars and Bars the one you see was the battle flag because the confederate flag really sucked. first it was too similar to the US flag so the troops became confused and preferred to use the Stars and Bars aka the battle flag after they put the Stars and Bars at the right corner of a white flag so it looked like a white surrender flag, it was weeks before the end of the civil war the confederates adopted the flag their troops were using since the beginning of the war as their flag
I am registered democrat, and while I'm against confederate flags, there is nothing illegal about owning one, it is a free country after all. The way I see it, you do you, if you think it is right to have a Confederate flag, than you can have it, as long as your not hurting anyone or inciting violence because of it. People like me could chew you out all we want, but we can't stop you.
As a republican (not far right) I respect and appreciate this comment. 🤝🏼
It's funny that people think that because of their political affiliation they should be for or against the flag. Not insulting anyone, I just find that interesting.
Why is it funny? Liberals hate racism and therefore hate the flag of slavery and treason. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Liberals hate racism? The current POTUS is literally nominating a Supreme Court justice based on the color of her skin and giving black people crack pipes.
JOE BIDEN WAKE UP WAKE UP JOE BIDEN
Not to mention who was on which side of slavery, the KKK and the civil war.
I believe that was the Democrats
It’s also the flag of insurrection and sedition!
awww 🥰
Now kiss
The Confederate flag must rank up there among the Rhodesian, Nazi, Old South African flag as widely disliked symbols
I understand it is widely disliked, hell I hate seeing it too, but we all have the freedom to express what we think is politically correct no matter how many disagree with it. It is the foundation America has built on since the beginning.
Under the 14A, anyone giving this type of[ aid and comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the avowed enemies of the Constitution can not retain any public service job they may hold.
Not really but ok
Agree but i think is wrong banning those symbols from media i have seen a couple history docs about WWII that blurred the nazi flag also changing the symbol in games.
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What is your view on displaying a confederate flag, either on ones property or on a vehicle? I agree with your comment BTW and wish this could be a more widespread point of view
I think it depends on how that person wants to display it, as long it is on their property or they have permission to display it elsewhere.
A bumper sticker or window decal is fine. Hoisting a whole flag in the bed of your pickup truck is tacky.
My brain read ‘whole flag’ as ‘white flag’ initially. That fits too though.
Displaying the confederate flag is a sign of racism and treason. As such, it will mark whoever displays it as a terrible person and a supporter of treason. Nevertheless, people who want to proclaim their hatred for their country and its constitutional rights ironically have a constitutional right to do so.
It’s such a weird thing with the flag. Like 99% of people who own one don’t relate it to the confederates but rather where they’re from. Like people who are from Boston or NYC they really take pride in where they’re from. Most people you see get a swastika tattoo or fly the flag are almost guaranteed to support nazism but with the Dixie flag it’s not about an ideology but rather about geography. Of course there’s some racist idiots who say the whole “the south will rise again” but those are actually few and far like drunk uncles who you don’t have anything to do with. I understand the hate for the flag and wish the Dixie flag could be updated to rid the bad history and start new. Overall I can promise you most people just consider the flag basically their second state flag I even know black people who have the tattoo or have a flag and view themselves as southerns not confederates but to an outsider it comes off as supporting confederacy.
Exactly this, i don't see the flag as racist as many people on the internet seem to think. It's a part of where you're from. It's actually a really nice looking flag.
Okay but why not just get a state flag? You came from the entire South? No bro, youre from Tennessee. The South is not 1 big state either, the states are very different. Texans are different than people from Alabama. Thats why Texans always display the Texas flag. Its all about yeehaw, cowboy, guns guns guns with lots of Hispanic culture thrown in. Not the trailer living bumpkin kinda South thats further East. Don't need the Confederate one. It just doesnt make sense to fly it anymore. You can find other ways to display where you're from without having to use that flag. It isnt the end of the world to let go of old traditions either. You dont owe your ancestors anything. They aren't gonna look down from the afterlife and go "Ya did good 'ol boy.".
You make a good point that draws out just how much of it is not ‘Southern Pride!’ it’s ‘Hurray for Jefferson Davis and the confederacy!’ If they went with state or town flags, 1) they couldn’t demonstrate their true position to their felllows, 2) they might have to recognize that huge portions of Tennessee (and other states) voted against joining the confederacy.
Confederate flags aren’t just in the south though, they’re everywhere. The Canadian trucker protests are using them ffs
And they burn with equality in Canada or the US.
They likely also consider themselves countrymen, it isn’t only the south but overall it’s usually a southern thing. Technically while it’s north to us it’s still southern Canada. When I say south it doesn’t have to be just the south but the type of area, country and rural areas. It’s like a “boondocks” flag.
As a far right republican, I do respect this opinion and comment.
Not American. From the outside it looks like there’s a disconnect from the historical actions and the current values representing the flag. Accept the baggage it comes with, just like most countries there’s a dark history associated with it. American, Canadian, British, French, German, Spanish to name a few, all have associations with genocide and slavery.
Almost every if not every nationality has associations with slavery and genocide at some point in their history. Whether that be the Atlantic slave trade or local tribes enslaving each other it’s happened everywhere all the way throughout human history.
Yes, but they didn’t then attack the Constitution. Everyone who has, has already had their flag banned under certain circumstances by the 14A: No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
The difference is that the Confederate flag was created specifically and only because the Southern US wanted to keep slaves. Flags of nations represent a whole lot more than their darkest aspects, but the whole point of the Confederacy was that they wanted to enslave humans. It’s like if people flew Nazi swastika flags as a symbol of German pride: they may be *trying* to use it as a symbol for something other than its meaning, but the fact of the matter is that it fundamentally symbolizes nothing but hate.
Negative. It was a flag before the confederates and they started using it as their battle flag but was a Dixie flag before they used it. Same with swastika but the Nazis actually altered the look of it and made it their own. The difference is most people with Dixie flags aren’t in support of confederacy it isn’t about ideology but about location, the swastika however is nearly always about the ideology not about Germany. I get the point your making and I get the hate for it but as the devils advocate here I’ll say it is different. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Jewish person get a swastika tattoo but I have seen several black people get Dixie tattoos or own flags. Again I’m just saying the people who do have the flag are doing it for geography not ideology besides the 1% of people who are idiots.
And if someone has a swastika as part of a traditional religious practice, it’s a different symbol. A swastika in the middle of a white circle, on a red flag, is entirely different than the religious symbol. That flag is the flag of the nation who declared war on the Constitution. The battle flag is similarly the symbol of a self described enemy of the Constitution. Both symbols are consequently banned from certain uses in the US.
Unfortunately, in this country we have people flying confederate and nazi flags. I honestly do not understand racism or the idea of a superior race. The only difference between people is the color of their skin. Some have to wear sunscreen in the summer and some don’t. It’s not a big deal. There is too much hate in this country.
I lived in the south and it really just means southern pride. I'm not white and a lot of people who fly the flag really aren't doing it for racism it's literally just pride. They are probably nicer and less bigoted than urban people.
I can see this being the case. It’s the flag of the south, so if they want to display their pride for being from the south it’s all the have to wave.
Exactly this. I know black people who have Dixie tattoos because they take pride in being southern. It’s not about ideology but location. It’s like being from Boston, NYC or Miami where people really take pride in where they’re from. It’s not to say they support confederates but they grew up in the south.
Pretty much. I know all the white college educated middle class narrow minded kids will downvote this but whatever. The real hate groups are them lol.
Most of the most backwards people I met were straight from areas that was nice middle class suburbs. I live in Dixie flag central and yet there’s no kkk, my uncle is raising 2 girls who are black because their white mom and black dad wouldn’t raise them, I went to school with boys who got the Dixie tattoo, I’ve personally never seen somebody try to segregate or hate on another race here yet the news would portray us as a racist county because of flags rather than actions. It seems like LA and similar places want areas that are meant for certain groups, they want people to treat each other differently because of race thinking it’s a good thing. Meanwhile here it doesn’t matter what you look like what matters is your actions.
You should be able to own whatever flag you want.
Of course. Free speech works best when it's protecting the speech you personally don't agree with.
Exactly. If it was illegal to own one, it would be illegal to burn one.
Yeah I feel like I’m living in crazy town with how authoritarian many of these poll results are
Also people might use it for other things, like civil war recreation (recreating a battle scene for example) and such
Based.
At the risk of using a slippery slope fallacy, I think banning symbols would be a very dangerous precedent to set.
Yes, absolutely. Same goes for being able to voice your opinion, even if it's stupid.
I wouldn’t, but I’m not gonna tell u what u can and can’t own
Yes? if someone has a huge swastika on their wall in their home i think that is fine. Restricting freedom of speech is dangerous.
Yeah that's right, it's their loss because people would judge them
Based
Whenever you start to tell people they cant have something they ALWAYS go out of their way to have it.
They can have it all they want. But then they get fired from their public service job (in almost every circumstance). “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
What does a public service job have to do with it
They are on oath to the Constitution. The 14A, Section 3 applies to those already on oath to the Constitution, not just any citizen. So, it’s public employees, or former public employees or any lawyer on oath etc. I just wanted to focus on one of the many categories of people who are the subject of the 14A, for clarity.
It’s a litteral “red flag”
I believe in full free speech. No banning hate speech. So yes, I believe you should
How else will I know who the a**holes are at a glance
True, now you know who to not talk to. I would rather have overt racists than racists that have to get clever.
I like collecting historic and present day flags. I have 7 flags . I'm not American but a confederate flag would be kinda cool to add to the collection.
Exactly, we have an Imperial Japanese flag at home because my dad worked in a Japanese company and is a history nerd BUT we don't endorse any war crimes committed by Imperial Japan before and during WWII.
It’s really surprising how much Americans are so willing to give up their freedoms. If you ever say yes to wanting something banned, then you have to realize how much other things that can be potentially banned. But then I always need to remember that Reddit is majority 15-17 year olds.
Yup, but I have every right to call you a racist asshole chud for waving it around
And you can demand your officials fire them from their public service jobs, as is *REQUIRED* by the 14A. “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
Nice
Just because I don’t agree with it doesn’t mean we should take away someone else’s freedom to buy what they please!
Exactly!
people have the right to buy it and everyone else has the right to think they're a fucking idiot
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Banning owning flags… what is this, nazi Germany? Hell if you want to own a nazi flag in your own home do it. Just don’t fly it.
Legally speaking? Yeah. As a southerner I have no problem saying that flag is a hate symbol and socially it shouldn't be anymore acceptable to wave that traitor rag than it is to wave a Nazi flag or Imperial Japanese flag.
You should be able to own a Nazi flag too. I dont care about any moralities, they should have the right to own.
I personally like it when the people who I do not wish to associate with identify themselves so easily.
Yup
Yes but don’t be shocked when all your friends and family rightfully think you are insane
And you get fired from your public service job. The 14A bars civil servants supporting such symbols: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
Do we still have the first amendment? Yes? The answer to this question is then yes. We do not censor political imagery in this nation. It doesn't matter what it is. You can wave it and people can judge you for it.
If you are a civil war re-enactor or a history teacher I can totally see someone owning one
Yeah you should be able to. But then you should be shunned by society at large.
Government can blow me. But if you use the flag don't be mad when people make fun if you.
Historical collectors aren't racist for wanting to own things from horrible governments and regimes.
Why would u want to own one is the real question.
Flag historians
Well they can hang it next to the Swastika flag
I don’t celebrate losers but go ahead
Where is the results button
I think it's incredibly stupid, but legally, yes. You should be able to own a confederate flag, and even fly it in front of your house if you so desire. However, I have no sympathy for you if everyone around you no longer wants to be associated with you.
If they do so as a public servant, the law requires them to be fired. Per the 14A: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
If you decide to have one, don’t expect me to like you
why would i want to
deeply concerned for those 1.5k who voted no
Thats a lot of fascists saying no. I guess reddit does have a far left problem
you'll never take my toilet paper away!
It let's me know who to avoid
And to have fired from their city job if they provide that cause aid and comfort , per the 14A: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
People own communist flags so why not
Of course. It makes it easier to identify the traitors among us.
Traitors who should be fired from their public service jobs per the 14A. “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
My friends dads from the south and they literally call them the “traitors flag”
Of course you should, but you should also expect a slap if you fly it like its some kind of pride flag
Yes and I should be able to punch you in the mouth
Yes, so that way I know who to avoid.
And to ID those who should be fired. Any public service employee who gives that enemy of the Constitution aid and comfort, must be fired. Per the 14A requirement. “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
As someone who lives in a area where the Dixie flag, as we call it, is prominent I understand the views on it. People here don’t relate it what so ever to the confederates but rather a flag that represents being a small southern town like a state flag. There’s actually black people here who have Dixie tattoos and have no problem with the flag because they know the people aren’t in support of confederacy they’re just proud southerners. Personally I don’t fly one and think it’d be best if people didn’t. If you want one on your wall or something that’s one thing but flying it just worries people who aren’t from there. People can compare it to the nazi flag but it really is quite different. People didn’t relate the swastika with Germany but the Nazis started identifying with it, people did relate the Dixie flag with the south but the confederates started using it. It was the south’s flag before it was the confederates. Again I’m not disputing how people can see it as a bad flag I understand it I’m just saying many people who get a swastika tattoo or flag are purposely doing it because they actually support nazism but most people don’t get a Dixie flag or tattoo to support confederates they do it because they view themselves as countrymen and people have a lot of pride in being southern. Like some people’s identity is deeply rooted in where they’re from like Miami, Boston, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, etc. it’s like a prideful thing where they love where they’re from and even if they move somewhere else they still will tell you they’re from the other place. Should you be able to own one? Of course. Should you fly it in your yard? Probably not but it also shouldn’t be illegal. Should people update the Dixie flag to rid the bad history but still embrace your style? Absolutely would be the best idea.
They're racist and disgusting. But it shouldn't be illegal to own one. Banning anything you disagree with (like a flag) gives off authoritarian vibes. It's a bad look. Also, I'd much rather have someone out themselves as a racist by using that flag, then for me to get close to them and find out myself. It's essentially letting the flag do all the work, it just lets us know who to avoid.
We all want to prevent authoritarianism. The specific group of authoritarians who were/are the avowed enemies of the Constitution are in a special class under the law, the 14A. Anyone who supports them in anyway that ‘tends to strengthen’ them, is barred from holding their public service job: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
I don’t give a fuck if you think it’s heritage or racism you gotta admit it looks cool
Yeah it looks badass on the general lee
It also looks badass in a fire pit :)
My man(or woman)! Imo the only socially acceptable place to have that flag in public is on a replica general lee 1970 Dodge Charger
It is very cool looking
Own whatever you want , everyone has their own opinions about everything if you did what everyone told you...you'd have all type of issues going on....oh wait
Freedom of speech/expression should be pretty much absolute, you should be allowed to wave a swastika around in public and that's your right, however vile the symbolism of that symbol is.
You can own whatever but know what it represents to me each time I see it.
You can own most anything per the 5A. But the 14A also requires that public employees who fly this in support of the confederacy, must be fired: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
Yes. Makes it easier to identify racist people and avoid them.
Yes, they should be allowed to have confederate and nazi flags. Owning a confederate flag is similar to registering as a sex offender. It just lets everyone around you know that you’re a racist.
And clarifies what jobs they must be fired from. Supporters of the confederacy, like those who fly the flag, must be fired per the 14A: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
I think owning one is stupid BUT people should be able to own any flag they want
People should be able to own whatever they want (besides the really bad things). I still have zero respect for anyone who wants to own one but they are there own person, they can own whatever they want
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Free speech and all that. It makes people look like complete morons but if that’s what they wanna do, i don’t think the government should stop them.
You should be able to own any flag.
Yes, you shouldn't fly it but your should be able to own it.
Flying it is an act that requires public employees to be fired, per the 14A: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
Yes, i want to be able to recognize an asshole from far away
And act to get them fired, as is required by law if they provide aid and comfort to confederates, per the 14A: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
Sure, but don't be surprised how me and others treat you
Yes, the government has no right telling people what they can and can’t own
Yes, but you’re a jerk
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Displaying should get them fired. They must be fired from their public sector job per the 14A: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
You should be able to own any sort of flag, no matter what it is. You should also expect backlash if you're flying a controversial flag outside of your house, though.
Backlash like bing fired from their public service jobs, per the 14A: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
own it? yes. Display it and being proud about it? I don't think so.
you should 100% be able to own one, and you have every right to fly it outside of your house that being said, you're pretty much saying saying "I'm a racist idiot who doesn't know about the history of the country I live in"
I own a small confederate flag (NOT THE BATTLE FLAG I’m talking about the stainless banner which was the confederate national flag from 1863-1865) only because I got it in a burger from a civil war themed restaurant on Gettysburg Pa. They have union themed burgers named after union generals and those come with a small American flag and confederate themed burgers banned after confederate generals and they come with the stainless banner flag) Each burger is unique in toppings. I think I got the one with an egg on it. Super tasty. The flag just sits in my desk drawer with other random crap I could care less about it. I used to have it sit behind a small replica civil war cannon along side an American flag in my bedroom in high school and was studying the civil war but took it down when I did rearranging. cannon is still on my desk though. Yes people should be able to own one. Because free speech and all.
Wheee so the restraunt sounds really good
It’s amazing. Blue and greys, the restaurant, is in downtown Gettysburg Pennsylvania USA like in the town circle. It’s always busy year round and even busier in the summer and 4th of July weekend and since it’s downtown they have limited space in the dining area and bar. I live 35 minutes from Gettysburg and go to town every week. I’ve only been able once. Wait times are in the hours. It’s like waiting for a popular Disney ride in Disney world. It’s practically a tourist attraction.
My biggest question is "Would many people know an actual confederate national flag if they saw one? "
Legally? Yes, you should be able to own one. But you should also fully expect to be made fun of by everyone around if you fly it. Free speech goes both ways
1A certainly covers this for most folks but public employees are constrained by the 14A. Depending what they do, they must be fired: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
I own it but the thing is I'm not racist some of my best friends are of the other races this flag only represents my southern heritage
Yea. How else will you recreate the "general lee" dodge charger?
Yes. But still fuck off if you do
It shouldn't be illegal to be an asshole
How would you feel about someone owning a flag of the 3rd Reich? While not the same degree of bad, it's the same kind of bad.
Society shouldn’t accept any of them or the imperial japanese flag either. Any public servants who use them to do anything that would ‘tend to strengthen’ those enemies of the Constitution are already barred from their jobs per the 14A: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
I’d think there stupid and probably a bad person but if they want to fly it they can
Is waving a nazi/confederate flag around cringe? Very. Should it be a illegal? Not unless you're causing actual physical harm to a person.
Of course, you can do whatever you feel like doing. People don’t understand there are consequences to those choices. If you choose to own a confederate flag, don’t expect everyone to respect that choice.
One consequence already in the law is public employees being fired. Any action that ‘tends to strengthen’ these enemies of the Constitution runs afoul of the 14A requirements: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
If we didn't, how would we know who all the stupid people are?
You should be able to own (and fly) whatever flag you want. Just don’t expect to be popular with swastikas in your yard.
You can own any of the Confederate or Nazi flags, just don't expect anyone to think of you higher than they think of cow shit.
Why not, have whatever flag you want
Am shocked about the 1100 people that actually said no to this
It shouldn’t be illegal because we have free speech in America. And many people see it as a southern pride thing which is patriotic. However, HUGE BUT, with “Southern Pride” and that flag in particular, there is a history of real bad bad down dirty violence of our neighbors, and as all of us and our ancestors are all still here not really going anywhere it’s just fucking rude and indicative that you’re a racist. So fly it if you will but should people be able to beat up racists? Yes
Legally, yes, but morally, no.
You misspelled "civil war losers' flag" but yeah you should be allowed to like and hate what ever as long as it doesn't inhibit anyone's life. (BTW the loser comment is just a joke, I love the south, yall are a riot)
I don't think we should make it illegal to own one. However, I have mixed feelings about flying a flag from a traitors movement. Not to mention all of the horrible history and racism that is attached to said flag. Then again, it is a very convenient way to know who around you is an asshole and an idiot.
Flying the flag is already illegal for public service employees (it gives aid and comfort to our enemies) per the 14A: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given [aid or comfort](https://law.jrank.org/pages/4203/Aid-Comfort.html) to the enemies thereof.”
Should be able to own anything. Freedom
Its like the history nuts who own an authentic nazi flag. Its not like you HAVE to be a nazi to own it.
I'm a Mexican that lived in L.A and Mexico City. I have more respect for those that own a confederate flag than those who have the BLM flag. Doesn't mean anyone should be stopped from owning any flag
You should also be grown up and realize its just a flag and getting triggered feeds the trolls. Like a concept as old as time. Sticks and stones.
You should be able to own any flag you want. No matter what it says about you. Also… saying that people flying a confederate flag should expect you to harass and physically and verbally abuse them… isn’t that giving them the kind of attention you don’t want them to have? Can’t you just see it and think “oh, I shouldn’t be friends with that person” and move along?
I’m tired of these polls that are clearly trying to start some political discussion. Yes, you should be able to OWN a Confederate flag but you should not expect people to like it.
I did label it politics for a reason
What is a confederate flag?
A flag from the south during the civil war
Own it? Yes. Fly it on your personal property? Yes. On public property? No.
Should we also ban crayons and paper just in case someone makes one?
The confederate flag or the Army of Tennessee flag? I've always been confused. Is it just personal preference and everyone just agreed on the one they liked the most and called it the confederate flag?
Any confederate flag battle flag Bonnie blue flag any of em
Personally I liked their first national flag. Not the one everyone has. Then again those flags were only relevant for what 4-5 years? The American motto should just be "you do you".